Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUB Fatalities...

[MerlinSub@t-online.de (Carsten Standfuß)]

Hi Pat, to the german sub accident : 

It was number one of three in germany 1963-1965 built Tigerhai - class
(Tigershark) built submarine . The factory was Silverstar and get
bankrupt in 1966 after the last dive of the Tigerhai 1 which killed both
persons. They found the boat and the persons 6 month after starting
diving in 33m deep.
 
I have here (all in german Language, and also bad copies) :
1.) Report in a technical Magazine including lost and research for
Tigerhai 1 with helpness of Tigerhai 2 (including pictures - 2 pages)
2.) Second edition report of the same magazine (incl.pictures - 2 pages)
3.) Technical report in a book about submarines.(incl.pictures - 1 page)
4.) 26 pages report of the police-technical-siencetific department
  deals with the technic of the sub and reson for sunk of Tigerhai 1.
5.) 20 pages of medicinal report about the both dead bodyes (horror..)
6.) The Tigerhai 2 (or 3) was used in a german cinema-film from 1965
 called "the Hexer" author Edgar Wallace. I have some parts which the
 submarine on surface and diving on video.

The story : 

The pilot died on a hard attack and drop the boat down to bottom 33m
deep so the automatic security valve does'nt work because need a deep of
35m.. 
The second man was a News TV man with no expirence (and nobody told him
nothing..) with submarines. 
But he did his (last) job and film the crash down with his 16 mm camera.
They raised the boat and the film after about 6 months - so they saw
what was happend..

The key for the drop weight keel was not onboard also not the 
two scuba dive emergency suits. Nobody told the TV man which vale he has
to switch to blow the tanks and so he died after 4 hours on CO2 poison
because nobody has given him also a idear about the free exit vale, the
free surfacing acrylic domes .. He died hard -they found marks
in his shoes from parts of the interior of the submarine - also some 
srcatches from his fingernails..

Fly a helicopter without a licence or submarine without
a teacher will give you maybe a last smile before you died. 
 
>From the 3 boats one was sold to USA. I have no idear about Tigerhai 1
and 2 but it seems clear that one of this 3 is Anders Lundin's boat. 

Before I start to build my submarine I have read everthing about 
submarine accidents. - 

And for this reason my Sgt.Peppers has a scuba gear (1 galleon), a drop
weight keel, a security main electric switch to cut the outside
batteries, a emergency inside batterie, a big flooding vale for free
escape.., and an over pressure vale to prevent opening hatch from
overpressure near the surface, and a small reserve pressure bottle to
blow the tanks, and a radio bouy, and 0,5L freshwater, some tools,
knifes, and a emergency flashlight on the top of the submarine, and too
lifting points on the top, and four big airbags (liftingballons) on the
motorhome which is normally use to trailer the sub and as basecamp on
the lakes. And a security diver onshore, or his phonenumber, and a 4
pages before start checklist and a radio-operator onshore. 
And a timetable with divetimes, and there are no parts outside the
submarine which can normally catch a rope or a net..

And I have build a parts by myself and knows everthing about my sub..
..

On the other side it has also a stero musicbox, 
and a small amount of whiskey inside. And no more place..

regards,  Carsten

Captain Nemo schrieb:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <VBra676539@aol.com>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUB Fatalities...
> 
> > Pat,
> > I read the short form on the accident. As I understand it, the hatch
> closure handwheels were reversed. One sub turned clockwise (and that was the
> co-pilot's training sub) and the other sub turned counter-clockwise so when
> the co-pilot went to check the hatch as the sub was diving on a press
> junket/PR extravaganza, he turned it the wrong way, the hatch sloshed open
> (it was just at the surface and on the way down) and flooded the aft sphere
> which put them tail down on the bottom in 30-odd meters of water. I think it
> was the co-pilot who drowned and the pilot got the passenger out with
> outside assistance. It must have been one serious horrific few minutes!
> > Haven't heard about the German deal. Keep us up to date please.
> > Vance
> >
> >
> 
> MOANA: Wow.  What can I say?  I'll spare everyone my critique and comments;
> I think it's probably pretty obvious to everyone what went wrong, and what
> could have been done to avoid it.  Reminds me of what we used to say in
> General Aviation and Skydiving, though: it's usually a combination of
> factors that kills ya.  Thanks for the info.  It's a big help.
> 
> Sounds to me like a lot of the fatalities I'm researching could have been
> avoided if SCUBA was available to the occupants.  Were any of the subs you
> professionally piloted SCUBA equipped; and or, what do you think of the
> idea?  (I've always got an 80-cubic footer with a complete octopus with me
> in my sub, with the 2nd stage within arms reach.)  SCUBA shouldn't be used
> by non-certified individuals, but maybe a controlled emergency procedure
> could be developed?
> 
> When we'd take non-jumpers up as observers, we'd fit them with a harness and
> a reserve; give them a briefing for emergency purposes; and when I was
> flying the TU-206, If the "wing broke" and the passenger "froze",  my plan
> was to push the passenger out ahead of me and dump his rig before my own, if
> I could.  Maybe the aquatic version of something like this would save lives
> in small subs?
> 
> The FAA establishes Federal Aviation Regulations, which are as laws.  The
> USPA establishes Doctrine which is, shall we say, based on generally
> accepted procedure and highly recommended, if compliance therewith is not
> legally binding.  Does DSPA do anything like this to control the operation
> of small commercially operated subs; or does some other agency?
> 
> Had to go to work last night and wasn't able to do much more digging on the
> German fatality; will continue, though, and of course will pass on what I
> learn.
> 
> Pat