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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Old military subs (was: U 26 for sale)
Mike:
I got on there just a few hours after Carsten posted the link this morning.
I went to archive then uboot. There were several pictures of U-28 in
various stages of surfacing and diving. I found no line drawings though.
Still a neat sight.
Funny thing is, I cannot get on it now. I keep getting a "Zu viele
Benutzer"..."Es gibt zu viele verbundene Benutzer. Versuchen Sie es bitte
spater nochmal". Hope I didn't make anyone angry with my comments. Try
your luck at it.
Big Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael B Holt <michaelbholt@juno.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 10:02 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Old military subs (was: U 26 for sale)
>On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:40:19 PST "Paul Suds" <paul_suds@hotmail.com>
>writes:
>>Well, I guess my dreams of ever owning my own navy have been shattered.
>>Hmmmm....I still think there's a hell of a market there. What about the
>migs
>>that the west europeans sell? I can see removing armaments, but
>destroying
>>the entire sub, well....that's like not-nice. Is this only done in
>Germany
>>or does every nation do this?
>
>Every nation, old man. I have here the DOD brochure about the
>scrapping of two subs that had been given to Turkey. The boats
>were, it seems, returned to the U.S. Navy upon retirement.
>
>Article EZ of the Invitation for Bid (IFB) specifies that gun mounts,
>gun parts, torpedo tubes and periscopes will be rendered
>unusable. This is done by cutting the gun barrels in two, by
>destroying ("cut through, battered or crushed") to make it
>all unserviceable. Torpedo tube inner doors will be cut in
>two. Persicopes must be cut, battered or crushed *in the
>presence of representatives of the USN*.
>
>There are notes in there about how much of the basic
>equipment has been damaged or removed. Indeed, the
>hulls are said to be "probably" safe for towing.
>
>>It's a hell of a deal; less than pennies on
>>the dollar usually.
>
>It's probably a pretty good deal if you do it all the time.
>
>>Oh well, maybe the North Koreans will ground one
>>of their units on a sandbar somewhere, and one of us will find it. We
>>need to make a pact. If anyone on here finds a sub grounded on a rock or
>a
>>sandbar or whatever, he immediately gets the word out to the rest of us.
>
>
>I don't think this is unreasonable. Unlikely, perhaps, but if I run
>across
>one . . . .
>
>>Everyone puts
>>their psub in the water and we tow the thing to some secluded area. We
>>hit the guys over the head and steal their sub. We grind the serial
>number
>>off the hull and engine (don't forget that), and then we paint the
>thing.
>>Put a few dings in it, carpet the plane surfaces, chrome a few of the
>>surfaces, and no-one will recognize it. What do you guys say, huh? Are
>you with
>>me on this?
>
>There was a James Bond movie about this. Well, it happened in two
>of Bond movies.
>
>Ever read the book "Assault on a Queen"?
>
>Come to think of it, "Assault on a Queen" was the book that got me
>interested in ex-military subs. It's a fairly good book, technically
>speaking, but mostly by avoiding details. Teh detail that stuck
>in my mind was that the WW1 batteries were replaced by about
>a zillion 12-vold car batteries.
>
>>Ok, so I'm crazy. I get that way when I get disappointed.
>>I still think we can get a small intact military sub somehow.
>
>I understand crazy, at things like this. I'm sure the Russians
>would be willing to work out a deal.
>
>>Hey Carsten, thanks for looking into this. I also saw your picture on
>>the U09 or U10. You have a lot of pictures on that site. I didn't
>realize
>>you had visited so many subs.
>
>I went to the site, Carsten. But I never found more than one picture.
>Where should I have gone at the site? My German is . . . not even
>tourist level. Thanks.
>
>
>Mike
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