----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:35
AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water nozzle
propulsion
Hi John.
Is your electric motor brushless or sparkless?
Take care if you install it in your battery compartment without first
isolating it from the batteries. Risk of hydrogen explosion.
Just an idea, but after you form the nozzles from
wood, have you considered using that to make a mold and pour the nozzles out
of brass? Brass would be more corrosion
resistant than aluminum or mild steel. You could
go to a local foundry or even make the mold yourself.. You could also use wax
to form the nozzles
and then pour the mold material over the wax, and
then when the mold material had hardened and you drill a hole to pour your
brass into the mold, the wax will evaporate and
the brass will fill the void where the wax was.
Called the lost wax process for molding an object. Unfortunately the mold is
only good for one usage because you destroy it when
you break it apart to get to the molded piece.
I am interested in these underwater water
pumps for sub propulsion, but I know nothing about them. Is it something like
the propulsion
used for a jetski but with an electric motor
instead of a gas motor? Or is it more like an enlarged bilge pump in
operation? Or is it more like a submersible in pipe well pump?
I only know about electric motors and
propellers like on my wetsub. The water pump idea intrigues me because I like
the idea of someone being able to install the electric part inside their
sub
and the rest outside and therefore not need any
pressure compensation like you would on an electric motor with a prop. It
would be great to see some video of this in action underwater.
Bill Akins.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:46
AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water
nozzle propulsion
Jon,
No, right now I know the predicted rate of flow
from the external water pump based on the known performance of my hydraulic
gear motor and the water pump itself. It is 4 gallons per second, at full
open.
I expect I will have to experiment with the shape of the
nozzles to achieve the maximum thrust possible. I plan to make the nozzles
shapes out of hard wood and then hand form them out of either aluminum or
mild steel sheet metal. There is some data available on nozzle shaping and I
hope to utilize it in my fabrication.
As to the question of noise,
that is pretty easy to solve using noise absorbing/deadening sheet material
like E.A.R. produces. I have a lot of experience installing it in commercial
aircraft and it makes a remarkable difference. The DC motor can be isolated
from the crew area by a simple bulkhead, and the mechanical "compartment"
can be covered by this sound isolating material. I already know how loud the
motor is as I have it running with the system on my test bench. It would
definately be possible to install the motor in my lower battery compartment
with little or no trouble. The hydraulic lines do not care where they have
to be run in order to work.
John Gaertner
Keswick, VA