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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brass vs. Bronze



That's deepflight I, Deepflight 502 has the following about it's cockpit design

"Crew is housed in a recumbent position with standard geometry acrylic spherical sector domes. The body and foot dome of each pressure hull is commercial grade sand-cast aluminum."



George Slaterpryce
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Ossian" <rob_neptune@yahoo.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brass vs. Bronze


Actually what separates flesh from fish on Hawke's
Deep flight 1 is four inches of fiberglass hull. A
staff of engineers and volunteers wound it in a
continuous monofilament wrap around a 26-inch-diameter
cylindrical mandrel.

Pretty nifty thing to watch the thing slowly spin
around like an old Ediphone record maker...

--- Andy Jensen <drewacard@charter.net> wrote:

Bill it is not a crazy idea Deep Flight 502 was cast
of Al i think it is like an  inch and a half thick
only fits one person per pod. but it has been done.
Andy J.

---- Akins <lakins1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Hi Sean.

You make a lot of sense and good points. Oh well, it
was just a conceptual idea anyway.
I guess if it was a good method to use, it would
already be in use. Just another crazy idea of mine.
Bill Akins.


----- Original Message ----- From: Sean T. Stevenson
  To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brass vs. Bronze


  While certainly possible, I think that there are a
few practical
  limitations to casting a submarine hull.  The
obvious one is size - you
  need to cast the entire thing in one continuous
pour, necessitating a
  foundry with that melt capacity.  The second is
quality control -
  porosity is much more difficult to avoid in
casting than it is in weld
  beads - once cast, every square inch of the hull
would need to be
  examined through non-destructive testing (x-ray,
ultrasound, etc.), as
  opposed to just weld seams, and then if you do
find a problem, you may
  have to scrap the whole thing and re-cast if it is
not in an area that
  is easily patchable.  The third is dimensional
control - save for the
  ideal case where you cast a perfect cylinder with
no hull penetrations,
  bosses, stiffeners, etc., variable cooling rates
due to material
  distribution within the cast will cause the
finished casting to deviate
  from the original pattern.  Ordinarily, foundries
will account for this
  by modifying the pattern to compensate
(guesstimating), or by working
  the finished castings in presses, etc. to bump
them back into
  compliance.  For commonly cast parts like pump
housings, etc., this is
  no big deal, but pressure vessels are somewhat
more dependent on their
  geometry for proper function.  This is not to say
that it couldn't be
  done, but my gut instinct is that it would be cost
prohibitive, as well
  as a lot of work.

  -Sean




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