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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] O-Rings & Acrylic Ports



Hi All,

Thank you for the good data to chew on guys. When I was working on different dome and flat viewports in the past, I didn't know about the hard neoprene type gaskets, and that it was considered a good option in some applications. I was interesting in another way to seal a dome or flat viewport that wasn't glued in, in such a way that it was hard to remove for maintenance and/or replacement. I now wish to use the hard gasket type seals in several applications.

Do you think there would be any advantage to adding a small raised lip to the inside of the hard gasket in the dome or flat viewport seating flange? I was thinking it might be useful to keep the gasket from extruding in towards the interior. But since there is so many square inches of surface area on the exterior of the dome and/or flat viewport, much of it pushing down.  I figure that there is far more pressure being transfered down to the domes or flat viewports seating surface then is being applied to the very small surface area on the outer most edge of the gasket.

The configuration I was thinking of would have a small gap between the lip and the dome, say 1/8", and the gasket would be cut to fit tight against that lip. this way the gasket wouldn't have room to move and the dome wouldn't be affected by the lip. That grove that would be created would get condensation water running into it and might be a little hard to clean, but there might be a way to install a very soft gasket type seal in that groove to deal with that issue. To add a small lip in the interior of a flat viewport seat would be a little different and would need to be in my opinion, shorter to as to not ever touch the flat acrylic viewport under full rated pressure. So in that configuration one might want a thicker hard gasket.

The viewports seat being distorted from welding, I believe is a very good point. This is why I was thinking about a way to make a poured type gasket, and in some way coat, wax, etc. the viewport so you can remove it after the gasket has cured. Then clean the viewport and install it for the final time in the orientation it was when the gasket was formed. Perhaps the orientation will not be a issue. This way you have a custom gasket that is not glued to your acrylic. This is what I was thinking about doing for my front lower viewport on my K-250 that has a lightly pitted seating surface. I'll smooth the seating surface out a fair bit with epoxy paint, but even if I get it smooth, there could well be some welding distortions to deal with. One could use a couple light coats of PVA mold release agent sprayed on, and if the paper or plastic protective coating is still on or could perhaps be reapplied on the flat acrylic viewports, then that might be a good way to go. For the domes you could add some things like that as well.

Your resident pipe dreamer   ;)'

Regards,

Szybowski



From: kocpnt@tds.net
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] O-Rings & Acrylic Ports
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:02:54 -0500

Hi All,
 
I have to agree with Jay & Frank,
 
I will be using Sika-flex as advised by Greg who made the window. Even though my ports are VERY heavy there is no way to have absolutely no distortion from welding.
 
Using Sika-flex as a setting bed will mitigate this problem. I plan on placing a very heavy bead in the base corner of the seat and pulling the window into place with a retaining ring. The excess will be squeezed out and is messy, but I plan on having my sign guy make some adhesive backed masking to cover only the portion of the port that is not covered by the seat.
 
Then I can wipe away most excess, then remove the masking. This will not risk scratching or cutting the window acrylic.
 
Best Regards,
 
Jim K
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] O-Rings & Acrylic Ports

Hi Jay. That makes a lot of sense. If you have an "O" ring, the seal is only at that small point where the rubber contacts the plexi. With a bed of sealant, the water has to get past the sealer between the outer support ring, and then through the back flange as well. In my case, that's 5 inches of sikaflex versus about 1/8 inch for an "O" ring. The down side of course is that there's no way you're going to save that window if you need to remove it.
   I have a method in mind when I mount the plexi. I plan on rolling the sub so the window is on top, put in some small spacers to set the plexi at just the right depth. Tape off the frame to the plexi so there's no places where the sikaflex can dribble out the bottom. Next, I'll make  some nozzles from sheet metal that fit just inside the space between the steel frame and plexi. Again, seal that connection so nothing dribbles out. Using a pump, I'll inject the sikflex into the space from the bottom and all the air will be pushed out the top. I've used this method before when I was making gaskets on some high pressure pumps that were too difficult to remove from their locations, and it worked quite well. As far as I know, the pumps are still in service and it's been over 10 years.
The sikaflex came in 5 gallon buckets. The biggest pain was cleaning the pump between applications. We used solvents, but ultimately had to dis-assemble the pump and hand scrape the whole thing after we were done. Frank D.




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