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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator actuation / design



"...For medium size recovery (larger than a few pounds) you would be better to have a releasable grab with a buoyant float to the surface and then recover the object from your sub tender..."
 
Jay,
 
Interesting and useful response as usual.
 
Your points above make me realize that "nimbleness" would be preferable to brute strength. I can envision the value of being able to manipulate and inflate a lift bag with the same arm. That would be a pretty neat capability. I think then that a worthwhile design goal is the ability to pick up a wristwatch. That capability with an external inflation source, (perhaps a flex line integral to the arm) should do the trick nicely.
 
Thanks!
 
Joe





From: bottomgun@mindspring.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator actuation / design
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:06:31 -0400


Joe,

Electrical actuators have been used on ROVs for some time.  The commercial ROVs have a very large electrical supply from the surface so running hydraulics is not a big issue.  Alvin is a Navy search and recovery asset that is primarily used for science so its actuator package was paid for by the government.  Harbor Branch used Bimba air-actuated cylinders for many applications and would replace them after a few uses.  Something that has to be kept in mind when designing manipulators is moment… when you reach out to the maximum extent with the arm to pick something up, a small weight can cause a large moment force.  Additionally, a PSUB doesn’t have a whole lot of reserve buoyancy so can’t lift much and now.  For medium size recovery (larger than a few pounds) you would be better to have a releasable grab with a buoyant float to the surface and then recover the object from your sub tender.

R/Jay

 

Respectfully,

Jay K. Jeffries

Andros Is., Bahamas

 

As scarce as the truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand.

    -Josh Billings

 

 

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Perkel
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 12:33 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator actuattion / design

 

I've been doing some reading which has formulated several questions in my mind.
 
If Alvin and deep ROV's use hydraulic actuation for manipulators, then hydraulics provide obviously superior water / pressure proofing than do electrical actuators for these applications.
 
Still, at K-350 depths, electrical actuation is an interesting option if all can be made bullet proof. Note here on this link how these folks waterproof servos with epoxy and mineral oil. http://www.societyofrobots.com/actuators_waterproof_servo.shtml
 
So the question becomes, would it be practical to use a lynx motion robot arm  http://www.lynxmotion.com/Category.aspx?CategoryID=25  as a model, to design and construct a manipulator for a K-350 type submersible that would be nimble enough to pluck say a wristwatch from the seabed?
 
Second question would then be, Is there an existing electrically actuated ROV arm that could be used as a guide for design?
 
Third question would be, what capability (lift capability / length of reach) is a practical or desired design target for a PSUB?
 
Joe