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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm power



Hi Frank,
 
I'm planning on a hydraulic system because I want to possibly cut things and possibly do some things that require more power. I lso think that a hydraulic system with oil has a much better possibility of surviving pressure than some other ideas. Because I will usually have at least 200 - 300 pounds of reserve bouyancy I will also want to be able to lift at least that much.
 
I am putting a large thru-hull with a solid plug in place during construction. This manipulator will not be placed on the sub until all initial bugs are worked out. Still hoping to launch in 09 and have manipulator complete in 2010.
 
Good to hear from you again.
 
Best Regards,
 
Jim K
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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm power

Hi Jim. At the 2007 convention in Holland, Mi. I saw Dan Brewer's manipulator arm pick up a golf ball from the lake bottom. He used Bimba air cylinders filled with oil and it worked like a charm. He has a small hydraulic pump running the system. I think a hydraulic system is the best suited for a system exposed to the external pressures and other effects of sea water.
Dan has a large through-hull port about 3 or 4 inch diameter with several small hydraulic lines and it's a clean and simple design. Maybe Dan could get in on this thread and explain what it took to put it together. It works, is simple, clean, and repairable.
On the quick release idea, I can't see how that would be done, but it's a great idea. I think the big dollar subs have a magnetic coupler for the tool end of the arm but not sure if the whole arm mechanism can be dropped with the hydraulic lines and all.
I'm still hoping Vance can give some insight on the "cue ball" method as this would eliminate a whole host of issues. Any manipulator arm powered by air/hydraulic/electrics is slow, where the manual "cue ball" arm shown on the Manta was both nimble and quick. I'll be adding an arm as well but will wait for the dust to settle on this idea before committing to the design. The arm itself is pretty easy, just the means of powering it.
I've been working on a system to move the rudders and dive planes on my sub that shares some of the same problems.
The criteria I want is set positioning, simplicity and reliability, leak proof, ability to be valved off at the through hull, reasonable speed, fail safe return to the unpowered system position, and the controls inside to be flexible so the control console can be accessed while seated or standing with the hatch open.
I think I have an idea that covers all of these. I'm thinking of small electric linear actuators driving hydraulic master cylinders inside the sub, which in turn drive external hydraulic slave cylinders connected to the rudders and dive planes. I'd like to avoid using a pump so electrical power can be saved. A scuba tank should be able to supply the needed pressure to operate the system at high enough pressure to keep water out, and with double acting slave cylinders, the need to overcome the pressure differential between ambient and 1 Atm. is eliminated. Got any thoughts on this?   Frank D.




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