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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: Thank you Phil !



Hi Frank,
 
I've recently purchased a 500# pull linaer actuater to operate a valve on an aggregate spreader we are building. I think your idea has merit but seems overcomplicated to me. I think you may be thinking this way because as you once said you are not a machinest. I plan to use single hydraulic cylinders because they are tidy. A small 1 inch cylinder with a 1/2 inch rod will have .196 square inches of surface area at the rod end. At 200 feet this translates to less than 20 pounds of force. At just 500 psi the one inch diameter cylinder will generate 392 pounds of force.To overcome the one way seal at the end of the cylinder I plan on removing and replacing the end cap with one I machine to accept an inner seal with lips facing in and an outer seal with lips facing out. This should solve the water intrusion issue. Just my two cents!
 
Best Regards,
 
Jim K
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: Thank you Phil !

Here's what I've been doing with the method Phil explained for the manipulator arm power.
The method of using an off-the-shelf linear actuator to drive a "master cylinder" which in turn activates an external "slave cylinder" is what I've been working on for my rudders and dive planes. With double acting ( suck and blow ) cylinders, the ambient pressure isn't trying to force the piston in either direction. Sufficient pressure to maintain a seal, keeping water out of the system, must be maintained either by a pump or possibly an oil reserve tank with an air space that's pressurized by a line from the high pressure manifold on the sub. This reserve tank must be strong enough to withstand the external ambient pressure, plus a little extra so the hydraulic pressure in the system keeps the water out. The whole system is able to be isolated from the sub interior with valves at all hull penetrations, and tank connections. I wonder how well a water based system would work like Phil mentioned.
The electric actuators I've found so far run about $100 or so each, and small hydraulic cylinders can be had for about $80 on ebay. For my rudder/dive plane set up, I need three electric actuators, three master, and three slave cylinders. The K boats use manual levers for dive plane and rudder control. Definitely much cheaper. Frank D.