RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Karl Stanley article

[irox <irox@ix.netcom.com>]

I didn't read anything about view ports on his new sub cracking.
Although the article refers to certain events, but doesn't really
tie the events to which submarine, unless it's happening over
C-BUGs max dive depth (in which case it's probably his new sub).

Since the article say a passenger got squirted in the face when a
view port cracked I would assume it's C-BUG, since in Idabel he
would have two passengers looking threw the same large view port
(which would probably be a bigger deal when it failed).

It would be interesting to know more about these view port failures.
How was the view port housing/frame designed and constructed?  Is
it design calculation failure?  A material failure (Acrylic problem?)?
Machining issue with the housing (a "blemish" on the mating surface
causing a stress point on the Acrylic)?  Did some contamination get
on the Acrylic causing it to fail?  What is the service cycle of
these view ports? Is there replacement schedule, or just wait until
they look like they need replaced?

Kind drives home how cheap the Stachiw book.

As for the calls for Green Peace and Peta to get involved, I hope
they are smarter than that.  *Lots* people don't give a shit about the
ocean, Carl can show them there are reasons to care for our oceans.

Cheers,
  Ian.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Cox <ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2008 6:35 PM
>To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Karl Stanley article
>
>I didn't realize he has had viewports crack on the new sub, I thought that
>was only on C-Bug.
>
>Brian
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of SIMON WALKDEN
>Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:51 PM
>To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Karl Stanley article
>
>
>While I've always admired Karl's creation and motivation, it's been an
>unsettling thought that:
>1. his submarine was never hydrostatically tested prior to commencing
>operation.
>2. his submarine has never recieved any form of international maritime
>certification.
>3. His submarine Idabel was never 'designed', rather he acquired some
>steel boilers, and effectively 'made it up' as he went along.
>4. the fact that three portholes have cracked (i'm assuming this
>occured whilst submerged) would suggest he is operating the submarine
>outside of its operational limits.
>
>Karl most definitely is a creative and talented individual, but in my
>opinion taking other people to those depths in a vessel you haven't
>specifically ensured is capable of sustaining habitability and safety
>at those depths is somewhat wreckless..
>
>- Simon
>
>On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Brian Cox
><ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> Personally I find it hilarious,  I doubt the story will find much
>publicity
>> with all that's going on right now.  Jon, you are right about the PR
>aspect
>> of it.  People now days are getting so far removed from reality that they
>> now have a initiative on the ballot, here in California, to make it so
>> chickens have more room to turn around in their cages,  and it will
>probably
>> pass!  I hope we don't all get inspected by PETA now !
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of jonw@psubs.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:34 PM
>> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Karl Stanley article
>>
>>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> I give you points for trying, but I don't think a large part of the
>> population is going to agree with you.  Animal lovers come in large
>> numbers and this is what I would call a public relations nightmare.  It's
>> not clear to me how the reporter got the details of the horses demise, but
>> whether Karl invited the reporter on board for the experience or simply
>> relayed the details verbally it was a huge mistake and more than likely
>will
>> affect him, and reflect upon him, negatively.  In the US at least, a horse
>> is more often observed as an intelligent domesticated "pet" or "work
>> partner" than a beast of burden as it was 150 years ago.  Things may be
>> different in Roatan, but the article was published by a large US media
>> outlet with (I suspect) a large US based readership.  Compounding the
>> problem is the intent behind the action.  I think most urban-based folks
>> will find the concept of shooting a horse (regardless of age) and dumping
>it
>> in the ocean to attract large fish so that you can make money taking
>people
>> on a dive trip to watch those fish eat the horse, insensitive.  I think
>you
>> raised an interesting (and debatable) point when you compared the horse to
>> other animals and said, "where do you draw the line".  However, I also
>think
>> most people would place horses way above that line if one where ever
>> officially defined.  Had the horse already been dead (which is what Karl
>> should have told the press even if reality was different), it would have
>> been a much different story since it could have been spun more positively.
>> Call me crazy, but somehow the vision of bringing a horse out on a boat,
>> shooting it in the head, tying cinder blocks to its hoofs and sending it
>> overboard to attract "big beasts" from the ocean depths kind of takes the
>> romance out of a 1,000 foot dive to the bottom of the ocean to see big
>fish
>> eating in their natural environment.  I've met Karl and he's an
>intelligent,
>> respectful, nice guy.  But I think he made a mistake with what he did, and
>> most assuredly advertising the process to the press.  If he continues the
>> procedure in the future, he may find PETA or GreenPEACE surrounding him as
>> he surfaces from the deep with orange spray paint cans at the ready.
>>
>> my two cents,
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of
>> ShellyDalg@aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:51 PM
>> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Karl Stanley article
>>
>> The horse thing may sound a little cruel, but would we feel the same if it
>> was a goat? or a sheep? how about a catfish? Maybe some chopped up squid?
>An
>> earth worm? Where do you draw the line?
>> I love horses as much or more as anyone, but I still like a nice big steak
>> and egg breakfast.
>> Karl is following his dream, and by the sound of it, doing well. I
>wouldn't
>> have chosen to shoot the horse while on the boat ( for obvious reasons )
>but
>> baiting in the ocean in the search for knowledge is a long and accepted
>> practice. I wonder if Karl does video of his travels to share with school
>> children and others who can't go down with him.
>> Frank D.
>
>
>
>--
>"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum
>immane mittam."
>
>
>
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