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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] how to fit the acrylic dome



Thanks Emile,
and all the best with the shift to Norway.
Alan

From: Emile <emile@airesearch.nl>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2012 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] how to fit the acrylic dome

Hi Alan,
 
The T/Di ratio is 27 / 540 = 0,05
Page 486 of the handbook acrylics  says that the short time failure depth is 20 MPa = 2000 Meter .
For designing I used a table of the GL which gives a operational depth of 400 Meter .
 
I am currently building a new sub. (type) Name will be “NordicSub” as the owner of the Eurosub wants to keep that name . ( I am okay with that as the word Euro sounds not so positive here and now…)
This project used the last domes so for more I have to do a new production run. I am now busy with moving to Norway (great coast for psubbing there!) so a new run will be after that.
 
The turbine bike is a project from already 15  years ago. Great that they still write about it at the other side of the world!!
 
Emile
 
www.nordicsub.nl
 
 
Van: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] Namens Alan James
Verzonden: zaterdag 16 juni 2012 21:36
Aan: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] how to fit the acrylic dome
 
Thanks Emile,
what sort of crush depth do you think you would have with the 27mm apex?
I noticed you weren't selling domes on your site. What are you doing
with all the domes you have been pressing?
I see you've been gaining the attention of the media with your turbine powered motorbike.
Regards Alan
 
 
 
From: Emile <emile@airesearch.nl>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2012 12:10 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] how to fit the acrylic dome
 
Alan
 
 
The recess was needed to fit the dome in the ring. Is not exactly round after thermoforming so machining is needed anyway.
The bigger the base the better but the thickness on the apex is only 27 mm . We should calculate with the thinnest spot.
I also used a radius mill to reduce stress.
 
Emile
 
 
 
Hi Emile,
It looks like you have a 28mm base to the dome & have eliminated 8mm with the 4mm angled cut away
for the O ring & the additional recess for the retaining ring around the perimeter.
I thought the base contained most of the stress & you would want to retain as much of it as possible?
Are you still pressing domes?
Regards Alan
 
From: Emile <emile@airesearch.nl>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2012 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] how to fit the acrylic dome
 
Not bad.
But it is also not done to machine a o-ring groove in the dome. Nemo’s first dome cracked when the water o-ring  froze!
Attached my solution. Green is o-ring
 
Emile
 
Van: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] Namens André Eriksen
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 22:16
Aan: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] how to fit the acrylic dome
 
From what you said I made this sketch (attached). Is this a good way to fasten the dome?
 
-Andrè 
2012/6/15 Emile <emile@airesearch.nl>
Hi Andre,
 
It is not done to drill / tap any holes in a acrylic dome. Stressraiser!
For shallow divers you can glue .
Under high pressures the dome contracts more than the ring
I use a o-ring on the edge and stainless steel bands hold down the dome.
 
Flange also possible for shallow divers. In the handbook of acrylics are some examples.
 
Emile
 
Van: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] Namens André Eriksen
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2012 17:25
Aan: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] how to fit the acrylic dome
 
Hi,
 
I`m new to this forum, and are planning to build a 3 person sub.
 
I can`t seem to find any plans or pictures on how to fit the acrylic dome for the hatch. Is it screwed down on flanges with an o-ring underneath, or liquid gasket/glue? I`ve seen some domes without flanges, how do they attach them?
 
thank you.
 
-Andrè Eriksen, Norway