From JimToddPsub at aol.com  Mon Jul 15 22:07:19 2013
From: JimToddPsub at aol.com (JimToddPsub at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:07:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Member-Forum] Shuttle Service - Convention
Message-ID: <f124.2695048e.3f1604d7@aol.com>

All, here's the link to the shuttle service website and a copy  of their 
schedule for MIA and FLL.  The charge from Miami to Islamorada is  about 
$40/person plus tip with light baggage.  There's a fare  calculator on the 
website for more precise info. -Jim
http://www.keysshuttle.com/
 
 
Schedule - To The Florida Keys  
FLL
MIA
KEY LARGO
TAVERNIER ISLAMORADA MARATHON BIG PINE
KEY WEST
10:30 am* 11:00  am 12:15 pm 12:30 pm 12:45 pm 1:30 pm 2:00 pm 2:45 pm  
12:30 pm 1:00  pm 2:15 am 2:30 pm 2:45 pm 3:30 pm 4:00 pm 4:45 pm  2:30 pm* 
3:00  pm 4:15 am 4:30 pm 4:45 pm 5:30 pm 6:00 pm 6:45 pm  4:30 pm 5:00  pm 6:15 
am 6:30 pm 6:45 pm 7:30 pm 8:00 pm 8:45 pm  6:30 pm* 7:00  pm 8:15 pm 8:30 
pm 8:45 pm 9:30 pm 10:00 pm 10:45 pm  8:30 pm 9:00 pm 10:15 pm 10:30 pm 
10:45 pm 11:30 pm 12:00 am 12:45  am
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From spiritofcalypso at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 23:20:09 2013
From: spiritofcalypso at gmail.com (Douglas Suhr)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:20:09 -0400
Subject: [Member-Forum] [PSUBS-MEMBER-FORUM] Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2013
	Convention
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Pertaining to the electrical outlet situation, our home is a duplex so we
have two separate electrical systems plus dock power. We should have plenty
of 120 AC power for charging everyone's sub batteries and all are welcome
to charge up, free of charge (pun). But really, its not like we are going
to ask for money to charge some batteries for a few hours. We also have
extension cords to run into subs for charging, but I would advise all who
are bringing boats to bring their own cords so we don't end up running out!

As to the private ramp, it is made of concrete. We have a key for the lock
and all are welcome to use it as our guests. As Jon mentioned, there is
also adequate launching facilities in the lagoon, including another ramp
and the gantry crane. I'm sure there would be a fee invovled with the
ganrty crane, not sure about the public ramp, I can look into it though.

As Jon stated, the visibility is usually quite good. Understandably, it
won't be as good in the lagoon because of increased traffic, but even still
7- 10 feet minimum should be expected on / near the bottom assuming
adequate sunlight. The bay is also pretty clear, although as it gets
windier, the waves will stir the sand. This should not be an issue because
if it is really windy, we'll probably elect to stay in the sheltered lagoon
area. ~ Douglas S.


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Cliff Redus
<cliffordredus at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Jon
>
> Thanks for the detailed info.  My battery charger is on board and takes
> 120 ac so recharging should not be an issue.  Given my limited freeboard,
> my guess is that a pilot changeout would occur back at launch site unless
> sea state was calm. Alternately we could attach bow and stern lines off my
> boat to a tender boat like Doug's whaler to open hatch and change pilots if
> the sea state is calm.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 16, 2013, at 9:19 PM, Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Cliff,
> >
> > Bay side diving will either be in a lagoon at 24 51 29.66N/80 43 39.63W
> or in the Gulf somewhere around 24 52 07.00N/80 43 59.73W with boat launch
> via davits at approximately 24 51 49.23N/80 43 55.62W.  In water transit
> distance to both dive sites from davit launch is approximately 1/2 mile.
>  There is a concrete ramp at approximately 24 51 24.52N/80 43 45.21W which
> is within 800 feet of the Lagoon dive site but it is unclear if we can use
> it or not.  Looks like a boat yard so we may be able to.  We'll have to ask
> Douglas to inquire.  I believe Douglas said the Lagoon had 20-25 feet of
> water but it is in close quarters with potentially moderate surface boat
> traffic, unclear at this point what the visibility would be like.  In the
> Gulf we would be looking at 8-10 feet of water regardless of how far out we
> went; see http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/11449.shtml and look
> for "Florida Bay" on the north side of the keys.  Visibility in the Gulf is
> usually superb.  The shallowness benefits us from the perspective of trying
> to coordinate multiple vessels and will also be an excellent opportunity
> for skin/scuba diving with the subs (lots of photo ops).
> >
> > Atlantic side diving will likely be best from the Harry Harris Park
> public boat ramp at 25 01 28.77N/80 29 39.40W which has concrete ramps and
> deep water.  This puts the subs right at the Atlantic's door without having
> to traverse from the Gulf side. One mile from shore gets you about 10 feet
> depth, two miles gets you about 15 feet depth, and three miles gets you
> about 21 feet depth.  Approximately 5.5 miles and you hit 50-60 feet and
> then it drops quickly, at 6 miles you enter 100+ depth water.  If we rent
> boats we can get them at the Tavernier Channel and quickly scoot over to
> Harry Harris in a matter of minutes.  Water visibility is always good.  You
> can get dive reports from numerous online dive center web sites throughout
> the Keys.
> >
> > Dive shops abound in the upper keys so that should not be a problem.
>  Recharging batteries might be unless we can work something out with
> Douglas.  What electrical requirements do you have for the batteries?  Just
> a 110vac outlet?
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > On 7/16/2013 7:09 PM, Cliff Redus wrote:
> >> Jon, what do you and or Douglas know about the dive site like water
> depth and visibility, ramp type, GPS coordinates?  Does the site have power
> to recharge batteries? Is there a dive shop where we can get tanks filled?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From jonw at psubs.org  Tue Jul 16 23:33:22 2013
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Member-Forum] [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2013 Convention
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Folks, half of the rooms at the Islander Resort are now taken. Please 
call them asap to reserve your room.  I have inquired if more rooms will 
be available when these fill up but can't make any guarantee.  It's 
always nice to be at the same hotel as everyone else so you can connect 
when convenient.

The hotel has the contract in hand now so you can use "Submarine 
Convention" when you call OR you can reserve your room online.  Go to 
http://www.islanderfloridakeys.com/group-reservations.php and enter 
"Submarine Convention" as the group name.  Any problems ask for Shannon 
or Connie.  Can't get resolution, contact me directly via email.

Islander Resort
866-679-7192
http://www.islanderfloridakeys.com

From jonw at psubs.org  Tue Jul 16 23:33:46 2013
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:33:46 -0400
Subject: [Member-Forum] [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2013 Convention
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Folks, half of the rooms at the Islander Resort are now taken. Please 
call them asap to reserve your room.  I have inquired if more rooms will 
be available when these fill up but can't make any guarantee.  It's 
always nice to be at the same hotel as everyone else so you can connect 
when convenient.

The hotel has the contract in hand now so you can use "Submarine 
Convention" when you call OR you can reserve your room online.

From landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net  Thu Jul 18 14:36:21 2013
From: landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net (Land N Sea)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:36:21 -1000
Subject: [Member-Forum] sandblasting
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I finally got all the components sandblasted for my K-350. I built an 8'X8'X8' visqueen shed in my shop with one side that isn't secured so I could access it with my forklift as he blasted things but the deflecting grit and air volume was too much for it and the staples started ripping out so I had to move the operation outside.
I wanted it inside as it would be easy to reclaim the grit and use again having a concrete floor plus we get rain every afternoon usually so didn't want that to effect his progress.
Unfortunately he is the only mobile sandblaster on the Island so I had no options and when I asked him for a quote he gave me a price and said I had to also provide the compressor and sand as well. Before I could move him outside, my shop got completely covered in grit so I will be sweeping and vacuuming for days. I was surprised to see that he didn't' have a sandblast hood that has the positive air flow from the compressor for safety and visibility reasons but was really surprised when I popped outside the shop to see him doing it bare chested! Paradise isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
I taped all the sealing surfaces and threw hulls that had the O ring grooves and explained to him that those areas could NOT be blasted but he kind of got them anyway so am a little concerned about water ingress by the O rings but hopefully it's not that bad. I tried wiping the blasted steel with a acquire thinner to remove any oil and impregnated moisture but was impossible to do with the surface being so rough so I switched to using a rose bud to remove any moisture which was evident when I hit it with the rose bud but it was a slow process and I was also concerned that I might warp something so I gave that up and just tried to apply the primer as soon as he was done with an object. 
He was here 8 hours and by the time I got a coat of primer on the last thing blasted it was 8:45 PM. I had a quick sandwich and went to bed and it was my birthday to boot. I guess if it was easy everyone would be doing it! enough crying on your shoulders, I better get sweeping. I included a picture above for your enjoyment.....

Aloha

Rick
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