From paul at steel-fish.com  Sat Feb  1 07:17:37 2014
From: paul at steel-fish.com (Paul Moorhouse)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 12:17:37 -0000
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Hi

As a new member It would be my first convention but like Phil I live in
England so attendance is not guaranteed.  I do work with my friends at
Triton in Vero Beach so combining the trip would work. Really, where ever
you decide to have it, I will do my best to attend. 

 

Phil, we must have a pint of warm English beer to discuss our sad and
incurable submarine addiction. 

 

Looking forward to meeting you all

Regards

Paul Moorhouse

+44 7837 542878

paul at steel-fish.com

 

 

From: Member-Forum [mailto:member-forum-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: 31 January 2014 17:31
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

 

Hi All,

As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies worth
from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the (Atlantic
Ocean).

1. Wet

2. Late Summer

3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am
flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!!

4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of
attending one or both if separate locations.

I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just
starting to build my submarine.

Kind regards from London England

 

Phil Christodolou
+ 44 (0)7768 233466

Alistage Ltd.
Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
Tel: 01707 653 245

www.alistage.co.uk <http://www.alistage.co.uk/> 

 

On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:





One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make
arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock
Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of Missouri.  The considerations
were these:

 

St. Louis:  

1.  Centrally located in the US.  We all love the coasts, but it can be a
long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for
attendees and any "imported" speakers.

2.  Excellent airline hub.  Flight schedules are generally convenient, and
reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities  are almost within
walking distance of the airport.  No need for rental cars and driving time.
I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport
to convention has been a logistical consideration.  Obviously this isn't a
big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying.

3.  No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.  There are some
interesting scuba sites.

4.  Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.  Quite an
engineering marvel.

5.  Plans don't depend on the weather.

 

Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:

1.  Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the
year.  I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and best
time to avoid algae bloom, etc.  

2.  Really crappy airline service and schedules.  The only airports near the
region are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa,
Oklahoma.  None is a hub.  Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4
hours driving time from Branson.

 

Bottom line:  St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and
efficient, and we could pack in a lot of tech time and presentations.  Subs
would be for static display and examination only except for those who can go
to the lakes.  The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway
instead of flying.

 

Question #1:  How many would come to a centrally located convention with
easy logistics but no sub diving?

Question #2.  How many would come to a centrally located lake convention
with difficult airline access?

 

Guys, we really need to hear from you.  If there is sufficient interest,
I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.  However
there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention,
and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the
convention.  If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us
with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).  I'm
not available to work any of those locations.

 

Best regards,

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also
has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a
ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of
the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane. 

Thanks,

Scott Waters

 

 

 

 

Sent from my U.S. CellularC Smartphone


Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:


Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a
suitable location.  I seem to recall you said it had deep water available
but that it was also somewhat remote.



On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:

I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will
not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have
been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a
explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to
help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would be
bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would volunteer
the use of all my equipment as well. 

Thanks,

Scott Waters

 

 

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From jimtoddpsub at aol.com  Sat Feb  1 08:50:51 2014
From: jimtoddpsub at aol.com (jimtoddpsub at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 08:50:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Good morning, Paul,

Welcome aboard.  It's good to have you as a member.  I visited your steel-fish web site.  Some of the information I was already familiar with, but much of it was new and all of it was quite interesting.  Best wishes in locating S102.  We'll all look forward to meeting you.

Best regards,
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Moorhouse <paul at steel-fish.com>
To: 'PSUBS Member Discussion Group' <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 1, 2014 6:18 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014



Hi
As a new member It would be my first convention but like Phil I live in England so attendance is not guaranteed.  I do work with my friends at Triton in Vero Beach so combining the trip would work. Really, where ever you decide to have it, I will do my best to attend. 
 
Phil, we must have a pint of warm English beer to discuss our sad and incurable submarine addiction. 
 
Looking forward to meeting you all
Regards
Paul Moorhouse
+44 7837 542878
paul at steel-fish.com
 
 

From: Member-Forum [mailto:member-forum-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: 31 January 2014 17:31
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

 
Hi All,

As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies worth from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the (Atlantic Ocean).

1. Wet

2. Late Summer

3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!!

4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of attending one or both if separate locations.

I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just starting to build my submarine.


Kind regards from London England


 

Phil Christodolou
+ 44 (0)7768 233466

Alistage Ltd.
Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
Tel: 01707 653 245

www.alistage.co.uk


 

On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:







One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of Missouri.  The considerations were these:

 

St. Louis:  

1.  Centrally located in the US.  We all love the coasts, but it can be a long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for attendees and any "imported" speakers.

2.  Excellent airline hub.  Flight schedules are generally convenient, and reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities  are almost within walking distance of the airport.  No need for rental cars and driving time.  I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.  Obviously this isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying.

3.  No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.  There are some interesting scuba sites.

4.  Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.  Quite an engineering marvel.

5.  Plans don't depend on the weather.

 

Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:

1.  Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the year.  I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.  

2.  Really crappy airline service and schedules.  The only airports near the region are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.  None is a hub.  Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4 hours driving time from Branson.

 

Bottom line:  St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and efficient, and we could pack in a lot of tech time and presentations.  Subs would be for static display and examination only except for those who can go to the lakes.  The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway instead of flying.

 

Question #1:  How many would come to a centrally located convention with easy logistics but no sub diving?

Question #2.  How many would come to a centrally located lake convention with difficult airline access?

 

Guys, we really need to hear from you.  If there is sufficient interest, I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.  However there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention, and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the convention.  If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).  I'm not available to work any of those locations.

 

Best regards,

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014


It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane. 

Thanks,

Scott Waters

 

 

 

 


Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone


Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:


Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a suitable location.  I seem to recall you said it had deep water available but that it was also somewhat remote.



On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:


I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well. 

Thanks,

Scott Waters

 

 


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From paul at steel-fish.com  Sat Feb  1 11:19:51 2014
From: paul at steel-fish.com (Paul Moorhouse)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 16:19:51 -0000
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Hi Jim

Thanks, I?ll be adding the rest to the site with new text when I get some time plus the new projects, some of which are fun. I did find S102 as it happens but as the trail lead to a rather iffy politician in the Philippines I left it open on the web page.  

Cheers

Paul

 

From: Member-Forum [mailto:member-forum-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of jimtoddpsub at aol.com
Sent: 01 February 2014 13:51
To: member-forum at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

 

Good morning, Paul,

 

Welcome aboard.  It's good to have you as a member.  I visited your steel-fish web site.  Some of the information I was already familiar with, but much of it was new and all of it was quite interesting.  Best wishes in locating S102.  We'll all look forward to meeting you.

 

Best regards,

Jim

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Moorhouse <paul at steel-fish.com>
To: 'PSUBS Member Discussion Group' <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 1, 2014 6:18 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

Hi

As a new member It would be my first convention but like Phil I live in England so attendance is not guaranteed.  I do work with my friends at Triton in Vero Beach so combining the trip would work. Really, where ever you decide to have it, I will do my best to attend. 

 

Phil, we must have a pint of warm English beer to discuss our sad and incurable submarine addiction. 

 

Looking forward to meeting you all

Regards

Paul Moorhouse

+44 7837 542878

paul at steel-fish.com

 

 

From: Member-Forum [mailto:member-forum-bounces at psubs.org <mailto:member-forum-bounces at psubs.org?> ] On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: 31 January 2014 17:31
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

 

Hi All,

As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies worth from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the (Atlantic Ocean).

1. Wet

2. Late Summer

3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!!

4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of attending one or both if separate locations.

I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just starting to build my submarine.

Kind regards from London England

 

Phil Christodolou
+ 44 (0)7768 233466

Alistage Ltd.
Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
Tel: 01707 653 245

www.alistage.co.uk <http://www.alistage.co.uk/> 

 

On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:

 

One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of Missouri.  The considerations were these:

 

St. Louis:  

1.  Centrally located in the US.  We all love the coasts, but it can be a long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for attendees and any "imported" speakers.

2.  Excellent airline hub.  Flight schedules are generally convenient, and reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities  are almost within walking distance of the airport.  No need for rental cars and driving time.  I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.  Obviously this isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying.

3.  No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.  There are some interesting scuba sites.

4.  Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.  Quite an engineering marvel.

5.  Plans don't depend on the weather.

 

Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:

1.  Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the year.  I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.  

2.  Really crappy airline service and schedules.  The only airports near the region are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.  None is a hub.  Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4 hours driving time from Branson.

 

Bottom line:  St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and efficient, and we could pack in a lot of tech time and presentations.  Subs would be for static display and examination only except for those who can go to the lakes.  The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway instead of flying.

 

Question #1:  How many would come to a centrally located convention with easy logistics but no sub diving?

Question #2.  How many would come to a centrally located lake convention with difficult airline access?

 

Guys, we really need to hear from you.  If there is sufficient interest, I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.  However there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention, and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the convention.  If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).  I'm not available to work any of those locations.

 

Best regards,

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane. 

Thanks,

Scott Waters

 

 

 

 

Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone


Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:


Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a suitable location.  I seem to recall you said it had deep water available but that it was also somewhat remote.



On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:

I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well. 

Thanks,

Scott Waters

 

 

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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  1 15:16:13 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 12:16:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Hi Paul,
Welcome along. I'm down in N.Z. & was shown through the Triton subs?
when they stopped in Auckland, after the dive in Antarctica. A few of us from
Psubs also visited the Triton plant on the way to last years conference.
Impressive beasts, well done. Have also watched the documentary on the building
of the Alicia. Really enjoyed it, & all the drama.
Regards Alan


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 From: Paul Moorhouse <paul at steel-fish.com>
To: 'PSUBS Member Discussion Group' <member-forum at psubs.org> 
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2014 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
 


Hi Jim
Thanks, I?ll be adding the rest to the site with new text when I get some time plus the new projects, some of which are fun. I did find S102 as it happens but as the trail lead to a rather iffy politician in the Philippines I left it open on the web page. ?
Cheers
Paul
?
From:Member-Forum [mailto:member-forum-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of jimtoddpsub at aol.com
Sent: 01 February 2014 13:51
To: member-forum at psubs.org
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
?
Good morning, Paul,
?
Welcome aboard.? It's good to have you as a member.? I visited your steel-fish web site.? Some of the information I was already familiar with, but much of it was new and all of?it was quite interesting.? Best wishes in locating S102.? We'll all look forward to meeting you.
?
Best regards,
Jim
?
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Moorhouse <paul at steel-fish.com>
To: 'PSUBS Member Discussion Group' <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 1, 2014 6:18 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
Hi
As a new member It would be my first convention but like Phil I live in England so attendance is not guaranteed. ?I do work with my friends at Triton in Vero Beach so combining the trip would work. Really, where ever you decide to have it, I will do my best to attend. 
?
Phil, we must have a pint of warm English beer to discuss our sad and incurable submarine addiction. 
?
Looking forward to meeting you all
Regards
Paul Moorhouse
+44 7837 542878
paul at steel-fish.com
?
?
From:Member-Forum [mailto:member-forum-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: 31 January 2014 17:31
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
?
Hi All,
As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies worth from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the (Atlantic Ocean).
1. Wet
2. Late Summer
3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!!
4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of attending one or both if separate locations.
I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just starting to build my submarine.
Kind regards from London England
?
Phil Christodolou
+ 44 (0)7768 233466

Alistage Ltd.
Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
Tel: 01707 653 245
www.alistage.co.uk
?
On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:
?
One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of?Missouri.? The considerations were these:
?
St. Louis:? 
1.? Centrally located in the US.? We all love the coasts, but it can be a long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for attendees and any "imported" speakers.
2.? Excellent airline hub.? Flight schedules are generally convenient, and reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities? are?almost within walking distance of the airport.? No need for rental cars and driving time.? I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.? Obviously this isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying.
3.? No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.? There are some interesting scuba sites.
4.? Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.? Quite an engineering marvel.
5.? Plans don't depend on the weather.
?
Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:
1.? Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the year.? I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and?best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.? 
2.? Really crappy airline service and schedules.? The only airports?near the region?are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.? None is a hub.? Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4 hours driving time from Branson.
?
Bottom line:? St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and efficient, and we could pack in?a lot of tech time and presentations.? Subs would be for?static display and examination only except for those who can go to the lakes.? The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway?instead of flying.
?
Question #1:? How many would come to a centrally located convention with easy logistics but?no sub diving?
Question #2.? How many would come to a centrally located lake convention with difficult airline access?
?
Guys, we really need to hear from you.? If there is sufficient interest, I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.? However there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention, and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the convention.? If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).? I'm not available to work any of those locations.
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Best regards,
Jim
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It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane.?
Thanks,
Scott Waters
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Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:

Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a suitable location.? I seem to recall you said it had deep water available but that it was also somewhat remote.



On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well.?
>Thanks,
>Scott Waters
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From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com  Tue Feb  4 05:31:05 2014
From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 10:31:05 +0000
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
Message-ID: <CAHpB=UA-EJDLtdPP3X2CWZz_4D8j4b_OhVrMbGYdH7y0gqi7Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Does anyone have any experience in cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type
cable.  I'm going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are on
the handles like they should be.  Where they are at the moment its awkward
to steer and operate the power at the same time.  Ideally i'd like to cut
the ribbon cable and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.  But
im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them back together.

Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the blue pots on the
end.  I want to extend these to the handles.

http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm

Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on Guppy.  Last pictures on
his page.

http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/

Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back together?

Kind Regards
James
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From pniedermayr at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 05:55:45 2014
From: pniedermayr at yahoo.com (Pete Niedermayr)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 02:55:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to buy new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new connectors and cable and make longer ones. 
--------------------------------------------
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 Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
 To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>
 Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM
 
 Hi All,
 ?
 Does anyone have any experience in
 cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.? I'm
 going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
 on the handles like they should be.? Where they are at the
 moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
 same time.? Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
 and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.? But
 im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
 back together.
 
 ?
 Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
 blue pots on the end.? I want to extend these to the
 handles.
 ?
 http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
 ?
 Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
 Guppy.? Last pictures on his page.
 ?
 http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
 ?
 Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
 together?
 ?
 Kind Regards
 James
 
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From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com  Tue Feb  4 06:24:20 2014
From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:24:20 +0000
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.  So you cant
actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.  Well, not without breaking
it open.

On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to buy
> new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new
> connectors and cable and make longer ones.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 2/4/14, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>  To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <
> member-forum at psubs.org>
>  Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM
>
>  Hi All,
>
>  Does anyone have any experience in
>  cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.  I'm
>  going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
>  on the handles like they should be.  Where they are at the
>  moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
>  same time.  Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
>  and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.  But
>  im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
>  back together.
>
>
>  Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
>  blue pots on the end.  I want to extend these to the
>  handles.
>
>  http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
>
>  Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
>  Guppy.  Last pictures on his page.
>
>  http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
>
>  Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
>  together?
>
>  Kind Regards
>  James
>
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Tue Feb  4 07:33:41 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 07:33:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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James
I have the same problem. Wanted to run the motor controllers aft on a heat sink, and the controllers in a hand box.
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:24 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable


Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.  So you cant actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.  Well, not without breaking it open.  


On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:

I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to buy new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new connectors and cable and make longer ones.
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 2/4/14, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:

 Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
 To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>
 Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM


 Hi All,
  
 Does anyone have any experience in
 cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.  I'm
 going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
 on the handles like they should be.  Where they are at the
 moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
 same time.  Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
 and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.  But
 im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
 back together.

  
 Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
 blue pots on the end.  I want to extend these to the
 handles.
  
 http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
  
 Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
 Guppy.  Last pictures on his page.
  
 http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
  
 Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
 together?
  
 Kind Regards
 James


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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Tue Feb  4 08:05:06 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 05:05:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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James,
I would cut the ribbon as far away from the starting point as possible to give you working length, then a junction strip.  I have tried other methods but it is always ugly.  I don&#39;t like junctions but unless you can replace it with a longer cable, your hooped. 
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From psub101 at indy.rr.com  Tue Feb  4 08:27:11 2014
From: psub101 at indy.rr.com (Steve McQueen)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 08:27:11 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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References: <CAHpB=UA-EJDLtdPP3X2CWZz_4D8j4b_OhVrMbGYdH7y0gqi7Xg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1391511345.74913.YahooMailBasic@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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James, If you can't get to the business end of the ribbon cable it is
possible cut and solder.  However this is a labor intensive approach as the
cuts ends need to be prepped (stripped/cleaned such that they can be re
soldered). It would be easier if you could have the cables on a bench
surface but it looks like that isn't an easy option for your scenario.

In soldering preparation is 90% of the job and I would believe this would
best be done under magnification of some sort (I have actually soldered
using a microscope) . Also it would be important to ensure no shorts so
after ensuring the joints are good you could coat/secure it with some
insulating material (epoxy?).

Or... if you can cut and prep the ends appropriately you could then try to
find/use an appropriate flat cable connector. This would remove the
soldering aspect but not the prep.

Probably nothing you didn't already know....

Steve


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

> James
> I have the same problem. Wanted to run the motor controllers aft on a heat
> sink, and the controllers in a hand box.
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:24 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>
>  Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.  So you cant
> actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.  Well, not without breaking
> it open.
>
> On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to buy
>> new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new
>> connectors and cable and make longer ones.
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Tue, 2/4/14, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>  To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <
>> member-forum at psubs.org>
>>  Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>>  Does anyone have any experience in
>>  cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.  I'm
>>  going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
>>  on the handles like they should be.  Where they are at the
>>  moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
>>  same time.  Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
>>  and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.  But
>>  im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
>>  back together.
>>
>>
>>  Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
>>  blue pots on the end.  I want to extend these to the
>>  handles.
>>
>>  http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
>>
>>  Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
>>  Guppy.  Last pictures on his page.
>>
>>  http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
>>
>>  Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
>>  together?
>>
>>  Kind Regards
>>  James
>>
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From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com  Tue Feb  4 10:30:45 2014
From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:30:45 +0000
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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Hi Guys,
Kind of what i thought already.  Hank whats the junction box you talk
about?  Is it something specific for ribbon cables?

I wondered if there was some sort of vampire clamp to tap into the cable.
You get similar ones on computer ribbon cables.
Thanks
James



On 4 February 2014 13:27, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:

>   James, If you can't get to the business end of the ribbon cable it is
> possible cut and solder.  However this is a labor intensive approach as the
> cuts ends need to be prepped (stripped/cleaned such that they can be re
> soldered). It would be easier if you could have the cables on a bench
> surface but it looks like that isn't an easy option for your scenario.
>
> In soldering preparation is 90% of the job and I would believe this would
> best be done under magnification of some sort (I have actually soldered
> using a microscope) . Also it would be important to ensure no shorts so
> after ensuring the joints are good you could coat/secure it with some
> insulating material (epoxy?).
>
> Or... if you can cut and prep the ends appropriately you could then try to
> find/use an appropriate flat cable connector. This would remove the
> soldering aspect but not the prep.
>
> Probably nothing you didn't already know....
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> James
>> I have the same problem. Wanted to run the motor controllers aft on a
>> heat sink, and the controllers in a hand box.
>> Vance
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:24 am
>> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>
>> Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.  So you cant
>> actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.  Well, not without breaking
>> it open.
>>
>> On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to
>>> buy new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new
>>> connectors and cable and make longer ones.
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Tue, 2/4/14, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>>  To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <
>>> member-forum at psubs.org>
>>>  Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM
>>>
>>>  Hi All,
>>>
>>>  Does anyone have any experience in
>>>  cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.  I'm
>>>  going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
>>>  on the handles like they should be.  Where they are at the
>>>  moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
>>>  same time.  Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
>>>  and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.  But
>>>  im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
>>>  back together.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
>>>  blue pots on the end.  I want to extend these to the
>>>  handles.
>>>
>>>  http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
>>>
>>>  Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
>>>  Guppy.  Last pictures on his page.
>>>
>>>  http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
>>>
>>>  Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
>>>  together?
>>>
>>>  Kind Regards
>>>  James
>>>
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From pniedermayr at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 10:53:02 2014
From: pniedermayr at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?cG5pZWRlcm1heXJAeWFob28uY29t?=)
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I would find someone who sells the cable. If it's a standard cable there should be a crimp on connector that's a socket . Get a male and female.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

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From: "James Frankland" <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
To: "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
Date: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:30 AM
Hi Guys,
Kind of what i thought already.? Hank whats the junction box you talk about?? Is it something specific for ribbon cables?
?
I wondered if there was some sort of vampire clamp to tap into the cable.? You get similar ones on computer ribbon cables.
Thanks
James


?
On 4 February 2014 13:27, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:






James, If you can't get to the business end of the ribbon cable it is possible cut and solder.? However this is a labor intensive approach as the cuts ends need to be prepped (stripped/cleaned such that they can be re soldered). It would be easier if you could have the cables on a bench surface but it looks like that isn't an easy option for your scenario.


In soldering preparation is 90% of the job and I would believe this would best be done under magnification of some sort (I have actually soldered using a microscope) . Also it would be important to ensure no shorts so after ensuring the joints are good you could coat/secure it with some insulating material (epoxy?).


Or... if you can cut and prep the ends appropriately you could then try to find/use an appropriate flat cable connector. This would remove the soldering aspect but not the prep.

Probably nothing you didn't already know....



Steve






On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

James 
I have the same problem. Wanted to run the motor controllers aft on a heat sink, and the controllers in a hand box.
Vance





-----Original Message-----
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To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>

Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:24 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable


Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.? So you cant actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.? Well, not without breaking it open.? 


On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:

I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to buy new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new connectors and cable and make longer ones.

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?Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable

?To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>

?Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM



?Hi All,
??
?Does anyone have any experience in
?cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.? I'm
?going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
?on the handles like they should be.? Where they are at the

?moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
?same time.? Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
?and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.? But
?im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them

?back together.

??
?Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
?blue pots on the end.? I want to extend these to the
?handles.
??
?http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm

??
?Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
?Guppy.? Last pictures on his page.
??
?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/

??
?Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
?together?
??
?Kind Regards
?James

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From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com  Tue Feb  4 11:51:43 2014
From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:51:43 +0000
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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Have a look at this old post.  Looks like Doug just chopped the cables and
joined them to some new wire.

http://www.psubs.org/mlist/archive/0801/msg00192.html

The other thing i thought might work would be to put relays in between the
controler output and the motor, with a switches on the control handles.
Then I could set the power level at the panel as it is now, but the motor
wouldnt come on until i pressed the button.  Might be a better option
actaully.
Regards
James

On 4 February 2014 15:53, pniedermayr at yahoo.com <pniedermayr at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I would find someone who sells the cable. If it's a standard cable there
> should be a crimp on connector that's a socket . Get a male and female.
>
> Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint
>
>
>  ----- Reply message -----
> From: "James Frankland" <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
> To: "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>  Date: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:30 AM
>
>
> Hi Guys,
> Kind of what i thought already.  Hank whats the junction box you talk
> about?  Is it something specific for ribbon cables?
>
> I wondered if there was some sort of vampire clamp to tap into the cable.
> You get similar ones on computer ribbon cables.
> Thanks
> James
>
>
>
> On 4 February 2014 13:27, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>   James, If you can't get to the business end of the ribbon cable it is
>> possible cut and solder.  However this is a labor intensive approach as the
>> cuts ends need to be prepped (stripped/cleaned such that they can be re
>> soldered). It would be easier if you could have the cables on a bench
>> surface but it looks like that isn't an easy option for your scenario.
>>
>> In soldering preparation is 90% of the job and I would believe this would
>> best be done under magnification of some sort (I have actually soldered
>> using a microscope) . Also it would be important to ensure no shorts so
>> after ensuring the joints are good you could coat/secure it with some
>> insulating material (epoxy?).
>>
>> Or... if you can cut and prep the ends appropriately you could then try
>> to find/use an appropriate flat cable connector. This would remove the
>> soldering aspect but not the prep.
>>
>> Probably nothing you didn't already know....
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> James
>>> I have the same problem. Wanted to run the motor controllers aft on a
>>> heat sink, and the controllers in a hand box.
>>> Vance
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>>> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:24 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>>
>>> Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.  So you cant
>>> actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.  Well, not without breaking
>>> it open.
>>>
>>> On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to
>>>> buy new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new
>>>> connectors and cable and make longer ones.
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Tue, 2/4/14, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>>>  To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <
>>>> member-forum at psubs.org>
>>>>  Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM
>>>>
>>>>  Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>  Does anyone have any experience in
>>>>  cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.  I'm
>>>>  going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
>>>>  on the handles like they should be.  Where they are at the
>>>>  moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
>>>>  same time.  Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
>>>>  and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.  But
>>>>  im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
>>>>  back together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
>>>>  blue pots on the end.  I want to extend these to the
>>>>  handles.
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
>>>>
>>>>  Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
>>>>  Guppy.  Last pictures on his page.
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
>>>>
>>>>  Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
>>>>  together?
>>>>
>>>>  Kind Regards
>>>>  James
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Tue Feb  4 18:46:39 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:46:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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Hi James,
The junction is just a strip with screws.? the reason for that is that you need to mechanically separate the wires.? You need to cut between the wires in the ribbon with a razor or similar.? The wires are so small and have a very small amount of insulation.? It is unlikely you will be able to separate the insulation equally between wires.? That is why the junction strip works.? You will end up with something that looks like?guitar strings .? Then you need to pot the wires with epoxy or similar.? ?It is a bugger, but it works if your desperate.
Hank



On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:31:15 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
  
Hi Guys, 
Kind of what i thought already.? Hank whats the junction box you talk about?? Is it something specific for ribbon cables? 

I wondered if there was some sort of vampire clamp to tap into the cable.? You get similar ones on computer ribbon cables. 
Thanks 
James 


? 
On 4 February 2014 13:27, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:

James, If you can't get to the business end of the ribbon cable it is possible cut and solder.? However this is a labor intensive approach as the cuts ends need to be prepped (stripped/cleaned such that they can be re soldered). It would be easier if you could have the cables on a bench surface but it looks like that isn't an easy option for your scenario.
>
>In soldering preparation is 90% of the job and I would believe this would best be done under magnification of some sort (I have actually soldered using a microscope) . Also it would be important to ensure no shorts so after ensuring the joints are good you could coat/secure it with some insulating material (epoxy?).
>
>Or... if you can cut and prep the ends appropriately you could then try to find/use an appropriate flat cable connector. This would remove the soldering aspect but not the prep.
>
>Probably nothing you didn't already know....
>
>
>Steve
> 
>
>
>
>On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>James 
>>I have the same problem. Wanted to run the motor controllers aft on a heat sink, and the controllers in a hand box. 
>>Vance
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>>To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:24 am
>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>
>>
>>Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.? So you cant actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.? Well, not without breaking it open.? 
>>
>>
>>On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to buy new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new connectors and cable and make longer ones.
>>>--------------------------------------------
>>>On Tue, 2/4/14, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>?Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>>?To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>>?Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>?Hi All,
>>>??
>>>?Does anyone have any experience in
>>>?cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.? I'm
>>>?going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
>>>?on the handles like they should be.? Where they are at the
>>>?moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
>>>?same time.? Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
>>>?and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.? But
>>>?im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
>>>?back together.
>>>
>>>??
>>>?Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
>>>?blue pots on the end.? I want to extend these to the
>>>?handles.
>>>??
>>>?http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
>>>??
>>>?Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
>>>?Guppy.? Last pictures on his page.
>>>??
>>>?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
>>>??
>>>?Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
>>>?together?
>>>??
>>>?Kind Regards
>>>?James
>>>
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Tue Feb  4 21:30:34 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:30:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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James,
I assumed you had a whole bunch of wires in that ribbon, if it is only three wires your on easy street.? For sure, chop them off and splice in three wires.?? You should be able to tell how big the wires are, and you can decide how safe it will be to tackle.? Good luck
Hank



On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:52:10 AM, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
  
Have a look at this old post.? Looks like Doug just chopped the cables and joined them to some new wire.?  

http://www.psubs.org/mlist/archive/0801/msg00192.html 

The other thing i thought might work would be to put relays in between the controler output and the motor, with a switches on the control handles.? Then I could set the power level at the panel as it is now, but the motor wouldnt come on until i pressed the button.? Might be a better option actaully. 
Regards 
James

 
On 4 February 2014 15:53, pniedermayr at yahoo.com <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:

I would find someone who sells the cable. If it's a standard cable there should be a crimp on connector that's a socket . Get a male and female.
>
>Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint
>
>
>
>----- Reply message -----
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>To: "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>
> 
>Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
> 
>Date: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:30 AM
>
> 
>
>
>Hi Guys, 
>Kind of what i thought already.? Hank whats the junction box you talk about?? Is it something specific for ribbon cables? 
>
>I wondered if there was some sort of vampire clamp to tap into the cable.? You get similar ones on computer ribbon cables. 
>Thanks 
>James 
>
>
>? 
>On 4 February 2014 13:27, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>
>James, If you can't get to the business end of the ribbon cable it is possible cut and solder.? However this is a labor intensive approach as the cuts ends need to be prepped (stripped/cleaned such that they can be re soldered). It would be easier if you could have the cables on a bench surface but it looks like that isn't an easy option for your scenario.
>>
>>In soldering preparation is 90% of the job and I would believe this would best be done under magnification of some sort (I have actually soldered using a microscope) . Also it would be important to ensure no shorts so after ensuring the joints are good you could coat/secure it with some insulating material (epoxy?).
>>
>>Or... if you can cut and prep the ends appropriately you could then try to find/use an appropriate flat cable connector. This would remove the soldering aspect but not the prep.
>>
>>Probably nothing you didn't already know....
>>
>>
>>Steve
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>James 
>>>I have the same problem. Wanted to run the motor controllers aft on a heat sink, and the controllers in a hand box. 
>>>Vance
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>>>To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:24 am
>>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>>
>>>
>>>Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.? So you cant actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.? Well, not without breaking it open.? 
>>>
>>>
>>>On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to buy new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new connectors and cable and make longer ones.
>>>>--------------------------------------------
>>>>On Tue, 2/4/14, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>?Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>>>?To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>>>?Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>?Hi All,
>>>>??
>>>>?Does anyone have any experience in
>>>>?cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.? I'm
>>>>?going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
>>>>?on the handles like they should be.? Where they are at the
>>>>?moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
>>>>?same time.? Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
>>>>?and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.? But
>>>>?im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
>>>>?back together.
>>>>
>>>>??
>>>>?Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
>>>>?blue pots on the end.? I want to extend these to the
>>>>?handles.
>>>>??
>>>>?http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
>>>>??
>>>>?Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
>>>>?Guppy.? Last pictures on his page.
>>>>??
>>>>?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
>>>>??
>>>>?Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
>>>>?together?
>>>>??
>>>>?Kind Regards
>>>>?James
>>>>
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From: stephen.fordyce at gmail.com (Stephen Fordyce)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 19:47:31 +1100
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Hi James & all,
With standard 0.05in pitch ribbon cable, aka "IDC", you can get crimp
connectors to go on the ends that terminate into standard 0.1in pins.  They
are cheap and beat the hell out of soldering, especially if you've got a
lot of wires - it also does a good job of strain relief (I have found after
stripping the insulation off, there's not much wire left and it tends to
break under not much strain).

Only trouble is they don't seem to come in "joiner" versions and a quick
google didn't show up too much.  They usually terminate in a female end,
but you could just get some long rows of pins and join 2 females together.

Check out this for the concept:
http://www.simprojects.nl/making_connections.htm

The crimp ends don't need any preparation which is awesome, although I
usually use a pair of pliers to get them closed.

Actually, here's a pair of male/female (10-way) similar to what you'd need
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/idc-connectors/6811405/
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/idc-connectors/6811373/

And if you need male, it would be something like this:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/pcb-headers/6737515/

Retail places that sell electronics components on the level resistors and
the like will probably have them, and maybe cheaper.

Hope that helps (good thing RS-Online is in the UK as well as Australia!).

Cheers,
Steve

<http://www.simprojects.nl/making_connections.htm>


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> James,
> I assumed you had a whole bunch of wires in that ribbon, if it is only
> three wires your on easy street.  For sure, chop them off and splice in
> three wires.   You should be able to tell how big the wires are, and you
> can decide how safe it will be to tackle.  Good luck
> Hank
>
>
>   On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:52:10 AM, James Frankland <
> jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>  Have a look at this old post.  Looks like Doug just chopped the cables
> and joined them to some new wire.
>
> http://www.psubs.org/mlist/archive/0801/msg00192.html
>
> The other thing i thought might work would be to put relays in between the
> controler output and the motor, with a switches on the control handles.
> Then I could set the power level at the panel as it is now, but the motor
> wouldnt come on until i pressed the button.  Might be a better option
> actaully.
> Regards
> James
>
> On 4 February 2014 15:53, pniedermayr at yahoo.com <pniedermayr at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> I would find someone who sells the cable. If it's a standard cable there
> should be a crimp on connector that's a socket . Get a male and female.
>
> Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint
>
>
>  ----- Reply message -----
> From: "James Frankland" <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
> To: "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>
>  Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>  Date: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:30 AM
>
>
> Hi Guys,
> Kind of what i thought already.  Hank whats the junction box you talk
> about?  Is it something specific for ribbon cables?
>
> I wondered if there was some sort of vampire clamp to tap into the cable.
> You get similar ones on computer ribbon cables.
> Thanks
> James
>
>
>
> On 4 February 2014 13:27, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>
>   James, If you can't get to the business end of the ribbon cable it is
> possible cut and solder.  However this is a labor intensive approach as the
> cuts ends need to be prepped (stripped/cleaned such that they can be re
> soldered). It would be easier if you could have the cables on a bench
> surface but it looks like that isn't an easy option for your scenario.
>
> In soldering preparation is 90% of the job and I would believe this would
> best be done under magnification of some sort (I have actually soldered
> using a microscope) . Also it would be important to ensure no shorts so
> after ensuring the joints are good you could coat/secure it with some
> insulating material (epoxy?).
>
> Or... if you can cut and prep the ends appropriately you could then try to
> find/use an appropriate flat cable connector. This would remove the
> soldering aspect but not the prep.
>
> Probably nothing you didn't already know....
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> James
> I have the same problem. Wanted to run the motor controllers aft on a heat
> sink, and the controllers in a hand box.
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:24 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>
> Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.  So you cant
> actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.  Well, not without breaking
> it open.
>
> On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to buy
> new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new
> connectors and cable and make longer ones.
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 2/4/14, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>  To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <
> member-forum at psubs.org>
>  Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM
>
>  Hi All,
>
>  Does anyone have any experience in
>  cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.  I'm
>  going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
>  on the handles like they should be.  Where they are at the
>  moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
>  same time.  Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
>  and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.  But
>  im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
>  back together.
>
>
>  Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
>  blue pots on the end.  I want to extend these to the
>  handles.
>
>  http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
>
>  Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
>  Guppy.  Last pictures on his page.
>
>  http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
>
>  Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
>  together?
>
>  Kind Regards
>  James
>
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From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com  Thu Feb  6 11:30:05 2014
From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 16:30:05 +0000
Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
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Hi all,

Thanks for the advice.  I'll just cut the wires and attempt to splice in
some cable.  We'll see how it goes.
Kind Regards
James

On 5 February 2014 08:47, Stephen Fordyce <stephen.fordyce at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi James & all,
>  With standard 0.05in pitch ribbon cable, aka "IDC", you can get crimp
> connectors to go on the ends that terminate into standard 0.1in pins.  They
> are cheap and beat the hell out of soldering, especially if you've got a
> lot of wires - it also does a good job of strain relief (I have found after
> stripping the insulation off, there's not much wire left and it tends to
> break under not much strain).
>
> Only trouble is they don't seem to come in "joiner" versions and a quick
> google didn't show up too much.  They usually terminate in a female end,
> but you could just get some long rows of pins and join 2 females together.
>
> Check out this for the concept:
>  http://www.simprojects.nl/making_connections.htm
>
> The crimp ends don't need any preparation which is awesome, although I
> usually use a pair of pliers to get them closed.
>
> Actually, here's a pair of male/female (10-way) similar to what you'd need
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/idc-connectors/6811405/
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/idc-connectors/6811373/
>
> And if you need male, it would be something like this:
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/pcb-headers/6737515/
>
> Retail places that sell electronics components on the level resistors and
> the like will probably have them, and maybe cheaper.
>
> Hope that helps (good thing RS-Online is in the UK as well as Australia!).
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
> <http://www.simprojects.nl/making_connections.htm>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>wrote:
>
>>  James,
>> I assumed you had a whole bunch of wires in that ribbon, if it is only
>> three wires your on easy street.  For sure, chop them off and splice in
>> three wires.   You should be able to tell how big the wires are, and you
>> can decide how safe it will be to tackle.  Good luck
>> Hank
>>
>>
>>  On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:52:10 AM, James Frankland <
>> jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>>   Have a look at this old post.  Looks like Doug just chopped the cables
>> and joined them to some new wire.
>>
>> http://www.psubs.org/mlist/archive/0801/msg00192.html
>>
>> The other thing i thought might work would be to put relays in between
>> the controler output and the motor, with a switches on the control
>> handles.  Then I could set the power level at the panel as it is now, but
>> the motor wouldnt come on until i pressed the button.  Might be a better
>> option actaully.
>> Regards
>> James
>>
>>  On 4 February 2014 15:53, pniedermayr at yahoo.com <pniedermayr at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>> I would find someone who sells the cable. If it's a standard cable there
>> should be a crimp on connector that's a socket . Get a male and female.
>>
>> Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint
>>
>>
>>  ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "James Frankland" <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>> To: "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <member-forum at psubs.org>
>> Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>  Date: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:30 AM
>>
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>> Kind of what i thought already.  Hank whats the junction box you talk
>> about?  Is it something specific for ribbon cables?
>>
>> I wondered if there was some sort of vampire clamp to tap into the
>> cable.  You get similar ones on computer ribbon cables.
>> Thanks
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 February 2014 13:27, Steve McQueen <psub101 at indy.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>   James, If you can't get to the business end of the ribbon cable it is
>> possible cut and solder.  However this is a labor intensive approach as the
>> cuts ends need to be prepped (stripped/cleaned such that they can be re
>> soldered). It would be easier if you could have the cables on a bench
>> surface but it looks like that isn't an easy option for your scenario.
>>
>> In soldering preparation is 90% of the job and I would believe this would
>> best be done under magnification of some sort (I have actually soldered
>> using a microscope) . Also it would be important to ensure no shorts so
>> after ensuring the joints are good you could coat/secure it with some
>> insulating material (epoxy?).
>>
>> Or... if you can cut and prep the ends appropriately you could then try
>> to find/use an appropriate flat cable connector. This would remove the
>> soldering aspect but not the prep.
>>
>> Probably nothing you didn't already know....
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> James
>> I have the same problem. Wanted to run the motor controllers aft on a
>> heat sink, and the controllers in a hand box.
>> Vance
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
>> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 6:24 am
>> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>
>> Trouble is that you cant undo the motor controler, or pot.  So you cant
>> actually get to the start of end of the ribbon.  Well, not without breaking
>> it open.
>>
>> On 4 February 2014 10:55, Pete Niedermayr <pniedermayr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think the crimp on connector are standard and you should be able to buy
>> new ones. The ribbon cable you can buy by the roll. I would get new
>> connectors and cable and make longer ones.
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Tue, 2/4/14, James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: [Member-Forum] Motor Controller Ribbon Cable
>>  To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, "PSUBS Member Discussion Group" <
>> member-forum at psubs.org>
>>  Date: Tuesday, February 4, 2014, 4:31 AM
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>>  Does anyone have any experience in
>>  cutting\re-joining thin ribbon type cable.  I'm
>>  going to modify my motor controllers so that the buttons are
>>  on the handles like they should be.  Where they are at the
>>  moment its awkward to steer and operate the power at the
>>  same time.  Ideally i'd like to cut the ribbon cable
>>  and extend it so i can have the pots on the handles.  But
>>  im not sure if I cut the cable, i'll be able to get them
>>  back together.
>>
>>
>>  Its the 3 white ribbon cables in this picture, with the
>>  blue pots on the end.  I want to extend these to the
>>  handles.
>>
>>  http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/extended_files/Page18279.htm
>>
>>  Also looks like Jim K has done a similar thing on
>>  Guppy.  Last pictures on his page.
>>
>>  http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567814/bionicguppy/
>>
>>  Anyone cut these type of cables and got them back
>>  together?
>>
>>  Kind Regards
>>  James
>>
>>  -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>
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From jonw at psubs.org  Mon Feb 10 12:10:26 2014
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:10:26 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Based upon the responses it sounds like a "wet" convention is preferred, 
a central location has more probability of attendance than either coast, 
and a late summer date has a very slight edge.

I know Scott Cassell of UVP wants to dive with the group but I think he 
is leaning toward warm water ocean diving in the Florida area. We might 
be able to convince him to stop in the mid-west however.

Do we have anyone that wants to volunteer to coordinate a mid-west 
diving convention in the Missouri/Kansas area?


From swaters at waters-ks.com  Thu Feb 20 13:32:29 2014
From: swaters at waters-ks.com (swaters at waters-ks.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:32:29 -0700
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 20:36:08 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Thanks Scott.  I also am facing issues that are going to take my 
immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd and 
Vance Bradley handle things.  It's possible we may just move the next 
convention to 2015 but they can help direct location and time or 
ultimately decide if we should start planning immediately for 2015.  Of 
course this doesn't stop people from putting together an 'ad-hoc' 
meeting/party and doing some diving together where ever it makes sense 
to do so.

Jon


On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
> Jon,
> I would love to volunteer to plan the convention again this year, 
> but my company has entered a rapid growth period of growing by several 
> stores per year. I don't want to volunteer and then disappoint because 
> of my lack of time available to dedicate. I would be willing to help 
> another volunteer as much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan 
> to attend the convention (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long 
> as it is not in the months of June or July of this year.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
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From swaters at waters-ks.com  Thu Feb 20 21:59:50 2014
From: swaters at waters-ks.com (swaters)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:59:50 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive.
Thanks,
Scott Waters




Sent from my U.S. Cellular? SmartphoneJon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
Thanks Scott.? I also am facing issues that are going to take my immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd and Vance Bradley handle things.? It's possible we may just move the next convention to 2015 but they can help direct location and time or ultimately decide if we should start planning immediately for 2015.? Of course this doesn't stop people from putting together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some diving together where ever it makes sense to do so.

Jon


On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
Jon,
I would love to volunteer to?plan the convention again this year, but?my company has entered a rapid growth period of growing by several stores per year. I don't want to volunteer and then disappoint because of my lack of time available to?dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend the convention (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as it is not in the?months?of June or July of this year.
Thanks,
Scott Waters?
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From alecsmyth at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 08:53:23 2014
From: alecsmyth at gmail.com (Alec Smyth)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:53:23 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Hi Scott,



If you like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at Summerville
Lake. That's critical mass right there and any additional subs and surface
crew would just be icing on the cake. If we don't have to coordinate
presentations, facilities, or registration there'd basically be no
organizing. There's a place that rents party barges, and attendants can
just split the cost of renting one if they wish. It's also a nice place for
spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandy beach. I would also consider
camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in 2006.



Best,



Alec


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

> Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>
> Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks Scott.  I also am facing issues that are going to take my immediate
> time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd and Vance Bradley
> handle things.  It's possible we may just move the next convention to 2015
> but they can help direct location and time or ultimately decide if we
> should start planning immediately for 2015.  Of course this doesn't stop
> people from putting together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some
> diving together where ever it makes sense to do so.
>
> Jon
>
>
> On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
>
> Jon,
> I would love to volunteer to plan the convention again this year, but my
> company has entered a rapid growth period of growing by several stores per
> year. I don't want to volunteer and then disappoint because of my lack of
> time available to dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as
> much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend the convention
> (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as it is not in the months of
> June or July of this year.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
>
>
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Alec,
Is that Sommersville Lake in West Virginia?
Vance



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From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014



HiScott,
 
Ifyou like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at Summerville Lake. That'scritical mass right there and any additional subs and surface crew would justbe icing on the cake. If we don't have to coordinate presentations, facilities,or registration there'd basically be no organizing. There's a place that rentsparty barges, and attendants can just split the cost of renting one if theywish. It's also a nice place for spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandybeach. I would also consider camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in2006. 
 
Best,
 
Alec




On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:


Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive.
Thanks,
Scott Waters









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Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
    

      Thanks Scott.  I also am facing issues that are going to take my      immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd      and Vance Bradley handle things.  It's possible we may just move      the next convention to 2015 but they can help direct location and      time or ultimately decide if we should start planning immediately      for 2015.  Of course this doesn't stop people from putting      together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some diving together      where ever it makes sense to do so.
      
      Jon
      
      
      On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
    
    
        
Jon,
        
I would love to volunteer to plan the convention again this          year, but my company has entered a rapid growth period of          growing by several stores per year. I don't want to volunteer          and then disappoint because of my lack of time available          to dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as          much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend          the convention (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as          it is not in the months of June or July of this year.
        
Thanks,
        
Scott Waters 
                 

        
      
    
  


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From alecsmyth at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 09:10:37 2014
From: alecsmyth at gmail.com (Alec Smyth)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:10:37 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Yes. Very clear water and interesting topography with vertical walls.


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

> Alec,
> Is that Sommersville Lake in West Virginia?
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
> To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <
> member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>  Hi Scott,
>
> If you like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at Summerville
> Lake. That's critical mass right there and any additional subs and surface
> crew would just be icing on the cake. If we don't have to coordinate
> presentations, facilities, or registration there'd basically be no
> organizing. There's a place that rents party barges, and attendants can
> just split the cost of renting one if they wish. It's also a nice place for
> spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandy beach. I would also consider
> camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in 2006.
>
> Best,
>
> Alec
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
>
>>  Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>>
>> Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Scott.  I also am facing issues that are going to take my
>> immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd and Vance
>> Bradley handle things.  It's possible we may just move the next convention
>> to 2015 but they can help direct location and time or ultimately decide if
>> we should start planning immediately for 2015.  Of course this doesn't stop
>> people from putting together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some
>> diving together where ever it makes sense to do so.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
>>
>> Jon,
>> I would love to volunteer to plan the convention again this year, but my
>> company has entered a rapid growth period of growing by several stores per
>> year. I don't want to volunteer and then disappoint because of my lack of
>> time available to dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as
>> much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend the convention
>> (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as it is not in the months of
>> June or July of this year.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 21 10:36:46 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:36:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.<br/><br/>To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.<br/><br/>So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age acorn!<br/><br/><br/>Joe<a href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a>
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Fri Feb 21 10:43:49 2014
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:43:49 -0500 (EST)
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Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look. The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault. Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very instructive for when you get back to the design files.
Vance



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Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
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These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.

To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.

So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age acorn!


Joe

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

            
                
                    
                    
                        
                            
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Yes. Very clear water and interesting topography with verticalwalls.




On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM,  <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

Alec,
Is that Sommersville Lake in West Virginia?
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014




HiScott,
 
Ifyou like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at Summerville Lake. That'scritical mass right there and any additional subs and surface crew would justbe icing on the cake. If we don't have to coordinate presentations, facilities,or registration there'd basically be no organizing. There's a place that rentsparty barges, and attendants can just split the cost of renting one if theywish. It's also a nice place for spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandybeach. I would also consider camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in2006. 
 
Best,
 
Alec




On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:


Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive.
Thanks,
Scott Waters









Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone

 
Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
    

      Thanks Scott.  I also am facing issues that are going to take my      immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd      and Vance Bradley handle things.  It's possible we may just move      the next convention to 2015 but they can help direct location and      time or ultimately decide if we should start planning immediately      for 2015.  Of course this doesn't stop people from putting      together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some diving together      where ever it makes sense to do so.
      
      Jon
      
      
      On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
    
    
        
Jon,
        
I would love to volunteer to plan the convention again this          year, but my company has entered a rapid growth period of          growing by several stores per year. I don't want to volunteer          and then disappoint because of my lack of time available          to dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as          much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend          the convention (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as          it is not in the months of June or July of this year.
        
Thanks,
        
Scott Waters 
                 

        
      
    
  


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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 21 11:59:28 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:59:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period. Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.<br/><br/>In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.<br/><br/>Joe <a href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a>
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Fri Feb 21 12:08:03 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:08:03 -0500 (EST)
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And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on the road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't be all bad.
Vance



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Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
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I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period. Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.

In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.

Joe 

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Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look. The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault. Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very instructive for when you get back to the design files.
Vance



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Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
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These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.

To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.

So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age acorn!


Joe

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

            
                
                    
                    
                        
                            
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Yes. Very clear water and interesting topography with verticalwalls.




On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM,  <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:

Alec,
Is that Sommersville Lake in West Virginia?
Vance



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To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014




HiScott,
 
Ifyou like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at Summerville Lake. That'scritical mass right there and any additional subs and surface crew would justbe icing on the cake. If we don't have to coordinate presentations, facilities,or registration there'd basically be no organizing. There's a place that rentsparty barges, and attendants can just split the cost of renting one if theywish. It's also a nice place for spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandybeach. I would also consider camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in2006. 
 
Best,
 
Alec




On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:


Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive.
Thanks,
Scott Waters









Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone

 
Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
    

      Thanks Scott.  I also am facing issues that are going to take my      immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd      and Vance Bradley handle things.  It's possible we may just move      the next convention to 2015 but they can help direct location and      time or ultimately decide if we should start planning immediately      for 2015.  Of course this doesn't stop people from putting      together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some diving together      where ever it makes sense to do so.
      
      Jon
      
      
      On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
    
    
        
Jon,
        
I would love to volunteer to plan the convention again this          year, but my company has entered a rapid growth period of          growing by several stores per year. I don't want to volunteer          and then disappoint because of my lack of time available          to dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as          much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend          the convention (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as          it is not in the months of June or July of this year.
        
Thanks,
        
Scott Waters 
                 

        
      
    
  


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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 22 11:15:18 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:15:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!<br/><br/>Joe<a href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS"><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a>
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From spiritofcalypso at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 21:25:45 2014
From: spiritofcalypso at gmail.com (Douglas Suhr)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:25:45 -0500
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Scott, do you have any tentative dates for the Keys yet? We just got home
from the Keys last week. It was a beautiful stay with great weather (with
the exception of a few rain showers thrown in for the vegetation). We are
thinking about another run in April/May, but not sure yet. If you want to
hook up for some diving let me know.

This offer extends to everyone / anyone who can get their butt and sub down
to Islamorada! ~ Douglas S.


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!
>
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS>
>
>  ------------------------------
> * From: * vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>;
> * To: * <member-forum at psubs.org>;
> * Subject: * Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> * Sent: * Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:03 PM
>
>   And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on
> the road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't
> be all bad.
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
> To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>  I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I
> recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period.
> Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.
>
> In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have
> made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely
> again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS>
>
>  ------------------------------
> * From: * vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>;
> * To: * <member-forum at psubs.org>;
> * Subject: * Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> * Sent: * Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:43:49 PM
>
> Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look.
> The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the
> driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault.
> Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't
> do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is
> cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very
> instructive for when you get back to the design files.
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
> To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>  These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in
> Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was
> recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.
>
> To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is
> relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.
>
> So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age
> acorn!
>
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <http://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS>
>
>  ------------------------------
> * From: * Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>;
> * To: * PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>;
> * Subject: * Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> * Sent: * Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:10:37 PM
>
>  Yes. Very clear water and interesting topography with vertical walls.
>
>
>  On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Alec,
>> Is that Sommersville Lake in West Virginia?
>>  Vance
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
>> To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <
>> member-forum at psubs.org>
>> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53 am
>> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>>
>>    Hi Scott,
>>
>> If you like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at
>> Summerville Lake. That's critical mass right there and any additional subs
>> and surface crew would just be icing on the cake. If we don't have to
>> coordinate presentations, facilities, or registration there'd basically be
>> no organizing. There's a place that rents party barges, and attendants can
>> just split the cost of renting one if they wish. It's also a nice place for
>> spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandy beach. I would also consider
>> camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in 2006.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Alec
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to
>>> dive.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Waters
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>>>
>>> Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Scott.  I also am facing issues that are going to take my
>>> immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd and Vance
>>> Bradley handle things.  It's possible we may just move the next convention
>>> to 2015 but they can help direct location and time or ultimately decide if
>>> we should start planning immediately for 2015.  Of course this doesn't stop
>>> people from putting together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some
>>> diving together where ever it makes sense to do so.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
>>>
>>>  Jon,
>>> I would love to volunteer to plan the convention again this year, but my
>>> company has entered a rapid growth period of growing by several stores per
>>> year. I don't want to volunteer and then disappoint because of my lack of
>>> time available to dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as
>>> much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend the convention
>>> (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as it is not in the months of
>>> June or July of this year.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Waters
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:30:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Hi Douglas,
thanks for that very kind offer. I think I will be grounded for a little
while though, after getting over for the UI conference.
I recommend your offer of hospitality to anyone else who wasn't at the last Psub conference.
You certainly have a great set up there.
Here's a link to a shark dive video I took in Moorea, French Polynesia.
The movie is a bit budget. I think I need to hand it to Alec to put some "Jaws" music on it.
They feed the Sharks to bring them round. The biggest was about 11ft, the video doesn't
do him justice as he was an awesome sight under water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDgW1w_3RI

Alan



________________________________
 From: Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
 


Scott, do you have any tentative dates for the Keys yet? We just got home from the Keys last week. It was a beautiful stay with great weather (with the exception of a few rain showers thrown in for the vegetation). We are thinking about another run in April/May, but not sure yet. If you want to hook up for some diving let me know.?

This offer extends to everyone / anyone who can get their butt and sub down to Islamorada! ~ Douglas S. ??



On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!
>
>
>Joe
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:03 PM 
>
>
>
>And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on the road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't be all bad. 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>
>I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period. Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.
>
>In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.
>
>Joe 
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:43:49 PM 
>
>
>Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look. The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault. Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very instructive for when you get back to the design files.  
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>
>These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.
>
>To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.
>
>So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age acorn!
>
>
>Joe
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From:  Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>; 
>To:  PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:10:37 PM 
>
>
>Yes. Very clear water and interesting topography with vertical
walls.
>
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>Alec,  
>>Is that Sommersville Lake in West Virginia? 
>>Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
>>To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53 am
>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>>
>>
>>Hi
Scott,
>>?
>>If
you like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at Summerville Lake. That's
critical mass right there and any additional subs and surface crew would just
be icing on the cake. If we don't have to coordinate presentations, facilities,
or registration there'd basically be no organizing. There's a place that rents
party barges, and attendants can just split the cost of renting one if they
wish. It's also a nice place for spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandy
beach. I would also consider camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in
2006.?
>>?
>>Best,
>>?
>>Alec
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Scott Waters
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>>>
>>>Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Scott.? I also am facing issues that are going to take my
      immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd
      and Vance Bradley handle things.? It's possible we may just move
      the next convention to 2015 but they can help direct location and
      time or ultimately decide if we should start planning immediately
      for 2015.? Of course this doesn't stop people from putting
      together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some diving together
      where ever it makes sense to do so.
>>>
>>>Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>>Jon,
>>>>I would love to volunteer to?plan the convention again this year, but?my company has entered a rapid growth period of growing by several stores per year. I don't want to volunteer and then disappoint because of my lack of time available to?dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend the convention (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as it is not in the?months?of June or July of this year.
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Scott Waters?
? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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From swaters at waters-ks.com  Sun Feb 23 14:58:01 2014
From: swaters at waters-ks.com (swaters)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:58:01 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
Message-ID: <icfypvow0c0q5ir9g3x40seo.1393185411917@email.android.com>

Douglas,
I am not sure yet. I will try to get something nailed down and get back to you. Alec was talking about some lake diving in West Virginia too, so not for certian yet.
Thanks,
Scott Waters




Sent from my U.S. Cellular? SmartphoneAlan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:Hi Douglas,
thanks for that very kind offer. I think I will be grounded for a little
while though, after getting over for the UI conference.
I recommend your offer of hospitality to anyone else who wasn't at the last Psub conference.
You certainly have a great set up there.
Here's a link to a shark dive video I took in Moorea, French Polynesia.
The movie is a bit budget. I think I need to hand it to Alec to put some "Jaws" music on it.
They feed the Sharks to bring them round. The biggest was about 11ft, the video doesn't
do him justice as he was an awesome sight under water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDgW1w_3RI
Alan


From: Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

Scott, do you have any tentative dates for the Keys yet? We just got home from the Keys last week. It was a beautiful stay with great weather (with the exception of a few rain showers thrown in for the vegetation). We are thinking about another run in April/May, but not sure yet. If you want to hook up for some diving let me know.?

This offer extends to everyone / anyone who can get their butt and sub down to Islamorada! ~ Douglas S. ??


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!


Joe

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

From: vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>;
To: <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:03 PM 

And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on the road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't be all bad.
Vance


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period. Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.

In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.

Joe 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

From: vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
To: <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:43:49 PM 

Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look. The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault. Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very instructive for when you get back to the design files.
Vance


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.

To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.

So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age acorn!


Joe

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>; 
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:10:37 PM 

Yes. Very clear water and interesting topography with vertical walls.


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
Alec,
Is that Sommersville Lake in West Virginia?
Vance


-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

Hi Scott,
?
If you like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at Summerville Lake. That's critical mass right there and any additional subs and surface crew would just be icing on the cake. If we don't have to coordinate presentations, facilities, or registration there'd basically be no organizing. There's a place that rents party barges, and attendants can just split the cost of renting one if they wish. It's also a nice place for spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandy beach. I would also consider camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in 2006.?
?
Best,
?
Alec


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive.
Thanks,
Scott Waters




Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone

Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:

Thanks Scott.? I also am facing issues that are going to take my immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd and Vance Bradley handle things.? It's possible we may just move the next convention to 2015 but they can help direct location and time or ultimately decide if we should start planning immediately for 2015.? Of course this doesn't stop people from putting together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some diving together where ever it makes sense to do so.

Jon


On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
Jon,
I would love to volunteer to?plan the convention again this           year, but?my company has entered a rapid growth period of growing by several stores per year. I don't want to volunteer and then disappoint because of my lack of time available to?dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend the convention (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as it is not in the?months?of June or July of this year.
Thanks,
Scott Waters?
?



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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb 23 17:10:26 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:10:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Alan,
You are more brave than I am, I would want a submarine wrapped around me with that shark swimming about.
Hank



On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:58:30 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
  
Douglas,
I am not sure yet. I will try to get something nailed down and get back to you. Alec was talking about some lake diving in West Virginia too, so not for certian yet.
Thanks,
Scott Waters




Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone 
Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Douglas,
thanks for that very kind offer. I think I will be grounded for a little
while though, after getting over for the UI conference.
I recommend your offer of hospitality to anyone else who wasn't at the last Psub conference.
You certainly have a great set up there.
Here's a link to a shark dive video I took in Moorea, French Polynesia.
The movie is a bit budget. I think I need to hand it to Alec to put some "Jaws" music on it.
They feed the Sharks to bring them round. The biggest was about 11ft, the video doesn't
do him justice as he was an awesome sight under water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDgW1w_3RI

Alan

 

________________________________
 From: Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
  


Scott, do you have any tentative dates for the Keys yet? We just got home from the Keys last week. It was a beautiful stay with great weather (with the exception of a few rain showers thrown in for the vegetation). We are thinking about another run in April/May, but not sure yet. If you want to hook up for some diving let me know.?

This offer extends to everyone / anyone who can get their butt and sub down to Islamorada! ~ Douglas S. ??



On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!
>
>
>Joe
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad  
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:03 PM 
>
>
>
>And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on the road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't be all bad. 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>
>I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period. Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.
>
>In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.
>
>Joe 
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad  
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:43:49 PM 
> 
>
>Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look. The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault. Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very instructive for when you get back to the design files.  
>Vance
>
>
>
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>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>
>These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.
>
>To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.
>
>So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age acorn!
>
>
>Joe
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad  
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From:  Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>; 
>To:  PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:10:37 PM 
> 
>
>Yes. Very clear water and interesting topography with vertical
walls.  
>
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>Alec,  
>>Is that Sommersville Lake in West Virginia?  
>>Vance 
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
>>To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53 am
>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>>
>> 
>>Hi
Scott, 
>>
>>If
you like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at Summerville Lake. That's
critical mass right there and any additional subs and surface crew would just
be icing on the cake. If we don't have to coordinate presentations, facilities,
or registration there'd basically be no organizing. There's a place that rents
party barges, and attendants can just split the cost of renting one if they
wish. It's also a nice place for spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandy
beach. I would also consider camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in
2006.? 
>>
>>Best, 
>>
>>Alec  
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive. 
>>>Thanks, 
>>>Scott Waters 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone  
>>>
>>>Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Scott.? I also am facing issues that are going to take my
      immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd
      and Vance Bradley handle things.? It's possible we may just move
      the next convention to 2015 but they can help direct location and
      time or ultimately decide if we should start planning immediately
      for 2015.? Of course this doesn't stop people from putting
      together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some diving together
      where ever it makes sense to do so.
>>>
>>>Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>Jon, 
>>>>I would love to volunteer to?plan the convention again this year, but?my company has entered a rapid growth period of growing by several stores per year. I don't want to volunteer and then disappoint because of my lack of time available to?dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend the convention (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as it is not in the?months?of June or July of this year. 
>>>>Thanks, 
>>>>Scott Waters?
? 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>   
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 23 17:53:01 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:53:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Hank,
it is just awesome seeing a big fish like that cruising around.
The Frenchman that ran the dive just stood on his fins with his
arms against his chest. He was a bit on the rough side, & don't
think he could have cared if we had got eaten.
A submarine would have been great there. They have one that I know of
working out of BoraBora. They charge about $250 per person for
a half hour dive. I think you could survive there Hank, running an under the table
submarine operation.
Alan


________________________________
 From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
 


Alan,
You are more brave than I am, I would want a submarine wrapped around me with that shark swimming about.
Hank



On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:58:30 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
 
Douglas,
I am not sure yet. I will try to get something nailed down and get back to you. Alec was talking about some lake diving in West Virginia too, so not for certian yet.
Thanks,
Scott Waters




Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Douglas,
thanks for that very kind offer. I think I will be grounded for a little
while though, after getting over for the UI conference.
I recommend your offer of hospitality to anyone else who wasn't at the last Psub conference.
You certainly have a great set up there.
Here's a link to a shark dive video I took in Moorea, French Polynesia.
The movie is a bit budget. I think I need to hand it to Alec to put some "Jaws" music on it.
They feed the Sharks to bring them round. The biggest was about 11ft, the video doesn't
do him justice as he was an awesome sight under water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDgW1w_3RI

Alan


From: Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
 


Scott, do you have any tentative dates for the Keys yet? We just got home from the Keys last week. It was a beautiful stay with great weather (with the exception of a few rain showers thrown in for the vegetation). We are thinking about another run in April/May, but not sure yet. If you want to hook up for some diving let me know.?

This offer extends to everyone / anyone who can get their butt and sub down to Islamorada! ~ Douglas S. ??



On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!
>
>
>Joe
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>
>
>From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:03 PM 
>
>
>
>And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on the road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't be all bad. 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>
>I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period. Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.
>
>In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.
>
>Joe 
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>
>
>From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:43:49 PM 
>
>
>Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look. The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault. Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very instructive for when you get back to the design files.  
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>
>These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.
>
>To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.
>
>So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age acorn!
>
>
>Joe
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>
>
>From:  Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>; 
>To:  PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:10:37 PM 
>
>
>Yes. Very clear water and interesting topography with vertical
walls.
>
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM, <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>Alec,  
>>Is that Sommersville Lake in West Virginia? 
>>Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>
>>To: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 8:53 am
>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>>
>>
>>Hi
Scott,
>>?
>>If
you like we could have Persistence and Snoopy rendezvous at Summerville Lake. That's
critical mass right there and any additional subs and surface crew would just
be icing on the cake. If we don't have to coordinate presentations, facilities,
or registration there'd basically be no organizing. There's a place that rents
party barges, and attendants can just split the cost of renting one if they
wish. It's also a nice place for spouses or kids to swim or hang out on a sandy
beach. I would also consider camping. We did that at Raystown Lake in
2006.?
>>?
>>Best,
>>?
>>Alec
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:59 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sounds good. I am thinkibg about maybe going to the Keys in May to dive.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Scott Waters
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>>>
>>>Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Scott.? I also am facing issues that are going to take my
      immediate time from PSUBS so at this point I am letting Jim Todd
      and Vance Bradley handle things.? It's possible we may just move
      the next convention to 2015 but they can help direct location and
      time or ultimately decide if we should start planning immediately
      for 2015.? Of course this doesn't stop people from putting
      together an 'ad-hoc' meeting/party and doing some diving together
      where ever it makes sense to do so.
>>>
>>>Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>On 2/20/2014 1:32 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>>Jon,
>>>>I would love to volunteer to?plan the convention again this year, but?my company has entered a rapid growth period of growing by several stores per year. I don't want to volunteer and then disappoint because of my lack of time available to?dedicate. I would be willing to help another volunteer as much as I can to plan the convention. I will plan to attend the convention (where ever it is) with Trustworthy as long as it is not in the?months?of June or July of this year.
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Scott Waters?
? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Member-Forum mailing list
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 23 19:05:26 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:05:26 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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That's a nice environment for diving among reef dwellers. Where it gets dicey, is with the pelagics, whites, tigers, mako and the like. 

We get the occasional nasty wandering in from the Gulf Stream, not too often, but on occasion.  

Wish I was there, that was what 120' or better visibility? Where's the fans and branch corals? The bottom looks picked clean!!

Joe

On Feb 23, 2014, at 5:10 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Alan,
> You are more brave than I am, I would want a submarine wrapped around me with that shark swimming about.
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:58:30 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
> Douglas,
> I am not sure yet. I will try to get something nailed down and get back to you. Alec was talking about some lake diving in West Virginia too, so not for certian yet.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
> 
> Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Douglas,
> thanks for that very kind offer. I think I will be grounded for a little
> while though, after getting over for the UI conference.
> I recommend your offer of hospitality to anyone else who wasn't at the last Psub conference.
> You certainly have a great set up there.
> Here's a link to a shark dive video I took in Moorea, French Polynesia.
> The movie is a bit budget. I think I need to hand it to Alec to put some "Jaws" music on it.
> They feed the Sharks to bring them round. The biggest was about 11ft, the video doesn't
> do him justice as he was an awesome sight under water.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDgW1w_3RI
> Alan
> 
> 
> From: Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> 
> Scott, do you have any tentative dates for the Keys yet? We just got home from the Keys last week. It was a beautiful stay with great weather (with the exception of a few rain showers thrown in for the vegetation). We are thinking about another run in April/May, but not sure yet. If you want to hook up for some diving let me know. 
> 
> This offer extends to everyone / anyone who can get their butt and sub down to Islamorada! ~ Douglas S.   
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!
> 
> 
> Joe
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
> 
> From: vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
> To: <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:03 PM 
> 
> And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on the road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't be all bad.
> Vance
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
> To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> 
> I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period. Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.
> 
> In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.
> 
> Joe 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
> 
> From: vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
> To: <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:43:49 PM 
> 
> Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look. The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault. Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very instructive for when you get back to the design files.
> Vance
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
> To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> 
> These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.
> 
> To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.
> 
> So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 23 20:02:19 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:02:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Joe,
I'm not sure if it was 100ft. I had about 150ft snorkeling in one of the lagoons.
The dive site was outside the reef, but right on the edge, & their was just about a surf running
where the boat was anchored. The bottom was disappointing, I think because the location was?
hit by wave action in storms. A sunken ship at 60ft can be completely destroyed in a storm.
I missed the pretty coral dive because my regulator had a strong plastic toxic taste to it that was?
making me nauseous & I didn't?want to chance a second?dive with it. Possibly the bleach they use
was breaking down the plastic in the mouth piece.
Alan


________________________________
 From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>; PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
 


That's a nice environment for diving among reef dwellers. Where it gets dicey, is with the pelagics, whites, tigers, mako and the like.?

We get the occasional nasty wandering in from the Gulf Stream, not too often, but on occasion. ?

Wish I was there, that was what 120' or better visibility? Where's the fans and branch corals? The bottom looks picked clean!!


Joe

On Feb 23, 2014, at 5:10 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:


Alan,
>You are more brave than I am, I would want a submarine wrapped around me with that shark swimming about.
>Hank
>
>
>
>On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:58:30 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
> 
>Douglas,
>I am not sure yet. I will try to get something nailed down and get back to you. Alec was talking about some lake diving in West Virginia too, so not for certian yet.
>Thanks,
>Scott Waters
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Douglas,
>thanks for that very kind offer. I think I will be grounded for a little
>while though, after getting over for the UI conference.
>I recommend your offer of hospitality to anyone else who wasn't at the last Psub conference.
>You certainly have a great set up there.
>Here's a link to a shark dive video I took in Moorea, French Polynesia.
>The movie is a bit budget. I think I need to hand it to Alec to put some "Jaws" music on it.
>They feed the Sharks to bring them round. The biggest was about 11ft, the video doesn't
>do him justice as he was an awesome sight under water.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDgW1w_3RI
>
>Alan
>
>
>
>
>From: Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
>To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
>Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:25 PM
>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> 
>
>
>Scott, do you have any tentative dates for the Keys yet? We just got home from the Keys last week. It was a beautiful stay with great weather (with the exception of a few rain showers thrown in for the vegetation). We are thinking about another run in April/May, but not sure yet. If you want to hook up for some diving let me know.?
>
>
>This offer extends to everyone / anyone who can get their butt and sub down to Islamorada! ~ Douglas S. ??
>
>
>
>On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!
>>
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>>
>>
>>From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:03 PM 
>>
>>
>>
>>And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on the road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't be all bad. 
>>Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>>
>>
>>I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period. Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.
>>
>>In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.
>>
>>Joe 
>>
>>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>>
>>
>>From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:43:49 PM 
>>
>>
>>Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look. The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault. Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very instructive for when you get back to the design files.  
>>Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>>
>>
>>These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.
>>
>>To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.
>>
>>So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age   
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From spiritofcalypso at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 20:09:02 2014
From: spiritofcalypso at gmail.com (Douglas Suhr)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:09:02 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Alan, awesome video man! That must have been really exciting. I have to say
I'm with Hank though, I would rather be in a steel hull with those sea
beasts around me.

Scott, sounds good, throw me some dates when you can and perhaps we could
hook up this spring in the Keys. Summersville Lake in WV  sounds fun and
depending on when, count me in. I really want to check out Trustworthy and
of course I would enjoy seeing Alec and Snoopy as well. ~ Douglas S.


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> That's a nice environment for diving among reef dwellers. Where it gets
> dicey, is with the pelagics, whites, tigers, mako and the like.
>
> We get the occasional nasty wandering in from the Gulf Stream, not too
> often, but on occasion.
>
> Wish I was there, that was what 120' or better visibility? Where's the
> fans and branch corals? The bottom looks picked clean!!
>
> Joe
>
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 5:10 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> Alan,
> You are more brave than I am, I would want a submarine wrapped around me
> with that shark swimming about.
> Hank
>
>
>   On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:58:30 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
> wrote:
>  Douglas,
> I am not sure yet. I will try to get something nailed down and get back to
> you. Alec was talking about some lake diving in West Virginia too, so not
> for certian yet.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>
> Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Douglas,
> thanks for that very kind offer. I think I will be grounded for a little
> while though, after getting over for the UI conference.
> I recommend your offer of hospitality to anyone else who wasn't at the
> last Psub conference.
> You certainly have a great set up there.
> Here's a link to a shark dive video I took in Moorea, French Polynesia.
> The movie is a bit budget. I think I need to hand it to Alec to put some
> "Jaws" music on it.
> They feed the Sharks to bring them round. The biggest was about 11ft, the
> video doesn't
> do him justice as he was an awesome sight under water.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDgW1w_3RI
> Alan
>
>
>    *From:* Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
> *To:* PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
> Scott, do you have any tentative dates for the Keys yet? We just got home
> from the Keys last week. It was a beautiful stay with great weather (with
> the exception of a few rain showers thrown in for the vegetation). We are
> thinking about another run in April/May, but not sure yet. If you want to
> hook up for some diving let me know.
>
> This offer extends to everyone / anyone who can get their butt and sub
> down to Islamorada! ~ Douglas S.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!
>
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>
>   * From: * vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>;
> * To: * <member-forum at psubs.org>;
> * Subject: * Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> * Sent: * Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:03 PM
>
> And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on the
> road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't be
> all bad.
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
> To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>  I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I
> recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period.
> Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.
>
> In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have
> made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely
> again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>
>   * From: * vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>;
> * To: * <member-forum at psubs.org>;
> * Subject: * Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> * Sent: * Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:43:49 PM
>
> Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look.
> The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the
> driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault.
> Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't
> do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is
> cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very
> instructive for when you get back to the design files.
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
> To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>  These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in
> Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was
> recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.
>
> To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is
> relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.
>
> So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age
>
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From josephperkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 01:07:24 2014
From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 22:07:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Alan,<br/><br/>Some interesting behavior observations here. It seems to me that you were filming midwater with your companions mostly in contact with the bottom. As a result, the shark seems to approach you closer below than laterally to your dive buddies, giving them a wider berth and you a better shot. Looks like a female, I didn't see claspers? I did note you kicking away on your back a bit at one point to open some distance.<br/><br/>It looks like she's taking a non-aggressive casual swim through looking for handouts while staying close to the bottom. Several more are visible in the fringes. Was it the same individual making several passes? Also, what was dangling a collection bag, feed, or chum?<br/><br/>We're making quite the impact on nature, I've had sharks pass by with no indication that they were the least bit interested, but this looks like repetitive behavior. I read recently that Red Sea reefs have taken up to 50% damage in the past decade
 due to tourist sport diving, that's astonishing!<br/><br/>Perhaps as divers we should start to boycott operations that manipulate behaviors, and don't use moorings. Insist more upon one another a midwater "image without contact" approach like you demonstrate here. Start talking about these issues in blogs and forums in order to force a more "Green"approach to commerce upon the sport dive industry.<br/><br/>Joe
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From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 03:15:58 2014
From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 00:15:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Hi Joe,
that was just one of 5 Shark videos I took. My battery ran out
There were 5 or 6 Lemon Sharks there & Black Tip Reef Sharks,?
but the one that?did most of the circling?was about 11ft.
When I first descended I nearly landed on top of the lot of them.
I've read that the feeding can modify their behavior & make them more aggressive.
It stands to reason that they would start associating humans with a good feed, & probably
would be a little disappointed if they turned up without anything. Also they are going
to get more bold as time goes by.
I might have been kicking to get away from that burly pot. That belonged to the Shark.
There were fixed moorings in place so our boat wasn't anchoring & destroying any coral.

Alan

??


________________________________
 From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
To: "member-forum at psubs.org" <member-forum at psubs.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
 


Alan,

Some interesting behavior observations here. It seems to me that you were filming midwater with your companions mostly in contact with the bottom. As a result, the shark seems to approach you closer below than laterally to your dive buddies, giving them a wider berth and you a better shot. Looks like a female, I didn't see claspers? I did note you kicking away on your back a bit at one point to open some distance.

It looks like she's taking a non-aggressive casual swim through looking for handouts while staying close to the bottom. Several more are visible in the fringes. Was it
 the same individual making several passes? Also, what was dangling a collection bag, feed, or chum?

We're making quite the impact on nature, I've had sharks pass by with no indication that they were the least bit interested, but this looks like repetitive behavior. I read
 recently that Red Sea reefs have taken up to 50% damage in the past decade due to tourist sport diving, that's astonishing!

Perhaps as divers we should start to boycott operations that manipulate behaviors, and don't use moorings. Insist more upon one another a midwater "image without contact" approach like you demonstrate here. Start talking about these issues in blogs and forums in order to force a more "Green"approach to commerce upon the sport dive industry.

Joe 



________________________________
 From:  Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>; 
To:  PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
Sent:  Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:09:02 AM 


Alan, awesome video man! That must have been really exciting. I have to say I'm with Hank though, I would rather be in a steel hull with those sea beasts around me. ?

Scott, sounds good, throw me some dates when you can and perhaps we could hook up this spring in the Keys. Summersville Lake in WV ?sounds fun and depending on when, count me in. I really want to check out Trustworthy and of course I would enjoy seeing Alec and Snoopy as well. ~ Douglas S. ?



On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

That's a nice environment for diving among reef dwellers. Where it gets dicey, is with the pelagics, whites, tigers, mako and the like.?
>
>
>We get the occasional nasty wandering in from the Gulf Stream, not too often, but on occasion. ?
>
>
>Wish I was there, that was what 120' or better visibility? Where's the fans and branch corals? The bottom looks picked clean!!
>
>
>
>Joe
>
>On Feb 23, 2014, at 5:10 PM, hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>Alan,
>>You are more brave than I am, I would want a submarine wrapped around me with that shark swimming about.
>>Hank
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:58:30 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
>> 
>>Douglas,
>>I am not sure yet. I will try to get something nailed down and get back to you. Alec was talking about some lake diving in West Virginia too, so not for certian yet.
>>Thanks,
>>Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>>Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Douglas,
>>thanks for that very kind offer. I think I will be grounded for a little
>>while though, after getting over for the UI conference.
>>I recommend your offer of hospitality to anyone else who wasn't at the last Psub conference.
>>You certainly have a great set up there.
>>Here's a link to a shark dive video I took in Moorea, French Polynesia.
>>The movie is a bit budget. I think I need to hand it to Alec to put some "Jaws" music on it.
>>They feed the Sharks to bring them round. The biggest was about 11ft, the video doesn't
>>do him justice as he was an awesome sight under water.
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtDgW1w_3RI
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
>>To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
>>Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:25 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>> 
>>
>>
>>Scott, do you have any tentative dates for the Keys yet? We just got home from the Keys last week. It was a beautiful stay with great weather (with the exception of a few rain showers thrown in for the vegetation). We are thinking about another run in April/May, but not sure yet. If you want to hook up for some diving let me know.?
>>
>>
>>This offer extends to everyone / anyone who can get their butt and sub down to Islamorada! ~ Douglas S. ??
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>A very magnanimous offer Vance that I will keep in mind. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>>>
>>>
>>>From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>>>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>>>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>>>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 5:08:03 PM 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>And if the West Virginia deal comes up, the offer stands. 24 hours on the road there and back with twice that in submarines in the middle. Can't be all bad. 
>>>Vance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>>>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:59 am
>>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll be kicking myself over Islamorada for years to come Vance. As I recall, I needed the call-in for a school event during that time period. Psubs will be back, Florida is too hard to pass up for too long.
>>>
>>>In my un-encumbered days I would have been to several by now, I would have made an effort for Vancouver that's for sure. Next Florida meet will likely again be in the Keys, I'll be hard pressed to miss it again.
>>>
>>>Joe 
>>>
>>>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
>>>
>>>
>>>From:  vbra676539 at aol.com <vbra676539 at aol.com>; 
>>>To:  <member-forum at psubs.org>; 
>>>Subject:  Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>>>Sent:  Fri, Feb 21, 2014 3:43:49 PM 
>>>
>>>
>>>Better yet, Joe, pack a bag and get Alec to take you down to have a look. The lake is a mere 865 miles from my house. Twelve hours. We'll split the driving and gas. Nothing to it. And besides, it's your own fault. Islamorada is what...two hours from you? The logic says that if you can't do a close trip, then you have to do the long one as penance. And Snoopy is cool. Think Swiss army knife with ballast tanks. You'll like it. Very instructive for when you get back to the design files.  
>>>Vance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>>>To: member-forum <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>>Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 10:37 am
>>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>>>
>>>
>>>These lakes and ponds can hold surprises and remind me of a find here in Titusville Florida some years back where human soft brain tissue was recovered from a skull dating to 6,000 BC.
>>>
>>>To put that in perspective, Kufu's pyramid (The Great Pyramid of Giza) is relatively new construction dating to about 2,500 BC.
>>>
>>>So keep your eyes open down there, you just might finds Scrat's Ice Age   
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