From jonw at psubs.org  Fri Jan 31 09:35:30 2014
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:35:30 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
Message-ID: <52EBB4B2.6030502@psubs.org>


Members Only

We need to start thinking about PC-2014 so people can start planning.  
There was talk in October about Table Rock Lake in Missouri as a 
location for a diving convention and St. Louis, MO as a dry (technical 
meeting only) location.  It is likely that I will not be in attendance 
due to other commitments and so we will need a local planner to scout 
out lodging, restaurants, and other logistics for whatever site is 
selected.  I can help as much as possible from NH but a local planner is 
a necessity.

Note that Table Rock Lake is administrated by the Army Corps of 
Engineers and so diving submarines may need to abide by the operating 
rules we agreed to in mid-2012 (see 
http://www.psubs.org/guidelines/laws.html -> Corp of Engineers, 
Huntington District).

Another option might be Summersville Lake in WV.

1) Do you want a diving or dry convention?
2) What time of year?
3) Your location choice?
4) What is the high probability of your attendance?

Please respond to member-forum at psubs.org until the basic plans are 
decided and then we will announce publicly.

Jon


From swaters at waters-ks.com  Fri Jan 31 09:49:04 2014
From: swaters at waters-ks.com (swaters)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:49:04 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
Message-ID: <nro0mxj0n2h5evrtu97702kc.1391179483658@email.android.com>

I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well.?
Thanks,
Scott Waters




Sent from my U.S. Cellular? SmartphoneJon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
Members Only

We need to start thinking about PC-2014 so people can start planning.? 
There was talk in October about Table Rock Lake in Missouri as a 
location for a diving convention and St. Louis, MO as a dry (technical 
meeting only) location.? It is likely that I will not be in attendance 
due to other commitments and so we will need a local planner to scout 
out lodging, restaurants, and other logistics for whatever site is 
selected.? I can help as much as possible from NH but a local planner is 
a necessity.

Note that Table Rock Lake is administrated by the Army Corps of 
Engineers and so diving submarines may need to abide by the operating 
rules we agreed to in mid-2012 (see 
http://www.psubs.org/guidelines/laws.html -> Corp of Engineers, 
Huntington District).

Another option might be Summersville Lake in WV.

1) Do you want a diving or dry convention?
2) What time of year?
3) Your location choice?
4) What is the high probability of your attendance?

Please respond to member-forum at psubs.org until the basic plans are 
decided and then we will announce publicly.

Jon

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From cliffordredus at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 31 09:55:19 2014
From: cliffordredus at sbcglobal.net (Cliff Redus)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:55:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Jon, thanks for getting the ball rolling on this.? To answer your questions:

1) Do you want a diving or dry convention?
??? Wet 
2) What time of year?
?? Early July or Late Sept early Oct
3) Your location choice?
?? Table Rock Lake if Scott can bring "Trustworthy"
4) What is the high probability of your attendance?
? 90%

Cliff Redus





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To: member-forum at psubs.org 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 8:35 AM
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
  


Members Only

We need to start thinking about PC-2014 so people can start planning.? There was talk in October about Table Rock Lake in Missouri as a location for a diving convention and St. Louis, MO as a dry (technical meeting only) location.? It is likely that I will not be in attendance due to other commitments and so we will need a local planner to scout out lodging, restaurants, and other logistics for whatever site is selected.? I can help as much as possible from NH but a local planner is a necessity.

Note that Table Rock Lake is administrated by the Army Corps of Engineers and so diving submarines may need to abide by the operating rules we agreed to in mid-2012 (see http://www.psubs.org/guidelines/laws.html -> Corp of Engineers, Huntington District).

Another option might be Summersville Lake in WV.

1) Do you want a diving or dry convention?
2) What time of year?
3) Your location choice?
4) What is the high probability of your attendance?

Please respond to member-forum at psubs.org until the basic plans are decided and then we will announce publicly.

Jon

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From jonw at psubs.org  Fri Jan 31 10:05:24 2014
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:05:24 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's 
a suitable location.  I seem to recall you said it had deep water 
available but that it was also somewhat remote.



On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
> I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I 
> will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work 
> ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs 
> conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. 
> I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for 
> Summersville Lake, WV. I would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 
> or so divers with me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as 
> well.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>

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From swaters at waters-ks.com  Fri Jan 31 10:13:30 2014
From: swaters at waters-ks.com (swaters)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
Message-ID: <m99ddyl8n6r4aqqbp22tlso3.1391181089311@email.android.com>

It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane.?
Thanks,
Scott Waters




Sent from my U.S. Cellular? SmartphoneJon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a suitable location.? I seem to recall you said it had deep water available but that it was also somewhat remote.



On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well.?
Thanks,
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From jimtoddpsub at aol.com  Fri Jan 31 11:58:59 2014
From: jimtoddpsub at aol.com (jimtoddpsub at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:58:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
Message-ID: <8D0ECBCDE6DDD91-2FB4-8971@webmail-m230.sysops.aol.com>




One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of Missouri.  The considerations were these:
 
St. Louis:  
1.  Centrally located in the US.  We all love the coasts, but it can be a long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for attendees and any "imported" speakers.
2.  Excellent airline hub.  Flight schedules are generally convenient, and reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities  are almost within walking distance of the airport.  No need for rental cars and driving time.  I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.  Obviously this isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying.
3.  No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.  There are some interesting scuba sites.
4.  Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.  Quite an engineering marvel.
5.  Plans don't depend on the weather.
 
Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:
1.  Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the year.  I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.  
2.  Really crappy airline service and schedules.  The only airports near the region are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.  None is a hub.  Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4 hours driving time from Branson.
 
Bottom line:  St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and efficient, and we could pack in a lot of tech time and presentations.  Subs would be for static display and examination only except for those who can go to the lakes.  The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway instead of flying.

Question #1:  How many would come to a centrally located convention with easy logistics but no sub diving?
Question #2.  How many would come to a centrally located lake convention with difficult airline access?

Guys, we really need to hear from you.  If there is sufficient interest, I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.  However there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention, and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the convention.  If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).  I'm not available to work any of those locations.

Best regards,
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014



It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane. 
Thanks,
Scott Waters









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Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
    

      Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether      it's a suitable location.  I seem to recall you said it had deep      water available but that it was also somewhat remote.
      
      
      
      On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
    
    
            
I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with        Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any        other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing        any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of        commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help        as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I        would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with        me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well. 
      
Thanks,
      
Scott Waters
      
    
    
  

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From phil at alistage.co.uk  Fri Jan 31 12:30:41 2014
From: phil at alistage.co.uk (Phil)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:30:41 +0000
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Hi All,
As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies worth from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the (Atlantic Ocean).
1. Wet
2. Late Summer
3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!!
4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of attending one or both if separate locations.
I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just starting to build my submarine.
Kind regards from London England

Phil Christodolou
+ 44 (0)7768 233466

Alistage Ltd.
Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
Tel: 01707 653 245
www.alistage.co.uk

On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:

> One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of Missouri.  The considerations were these:
>  
> St. Louis: 
> 1.  Centrally located in the US.  We all love the coasts, but it can be a long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for attendees and any "imported" speakers.
> 2.  Excellent airline hub.  Flight schedules are generally convenient, and reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities  are almost within walking distance of the airport.  No need for rental cars and driving time.  I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.  Obviously this isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying.
> 3.  No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.  There are some interesting scuba sites.
> 4.  Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.  Quite an engineering marvel.
> 5.  Plans don't depend on the weather.
>  
> Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:
> 1.  Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the year.  I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and best time to avoid algae bloom, etc. 
> 2.  Really crappy airline service and schedules.  The only airports near the region are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.  None is a hub.  Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4 hours driving time from Branson.
>  
> Bottom line:  St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and efficient, and we could pack in a lot of tech time and presentations.  Subs would be for static display and examination only except for those who can go to the lakes.  The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway instead of flying.
>  
> Question #1:  How many would come to a centrally located convention with easy logistics but no sub diving?
> Question #2.  How many would come to a centrally located lake convention with difficult airline access?
>  
> Guys, we really need to hear from you.  If there is sufficient interest, I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.  However there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention, and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the convention.  If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).  I'm not available to work any of those locations.
>  
> Best regards,
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
> 
> It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane. 
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
> 
> Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
> Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a suitable location.  I seem to recall you said it had deep water available but that it was also somewhat remote.
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
>> I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well. 
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Waters
>> 
> 
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From vbra676539 at aol.com  Fri Jan 31 12:52:24 2014
From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 12:52:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Used to live twenty minutes north of you (Old Welwyn/Codicote). Let's have a meeting at your house. I'd love to get back to what in many ways I still consider home.
Vance



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From: Phil <phil at alistage.co.uk>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014


Hi All,
As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies worth from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the (Atlantic Ocean).
1. Wet
2. Late Summer
3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!!
4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of attending one or both if separate locations.
I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just starting to build my submarine.

Kind regards from London England



Phil Christodolou
+ 44 (0)7768 233466

Alistage Ltd.
Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
Tel: 01707 653 245

www.alistage.co.uk



On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:




One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of Missouri.  The considerations were these:
 
St. Louis:  
1.  Centrally located in the US.  We all love the coasts, but it can be a long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for attendees and any "imported" speakers.
2.  Excellent airline hub.  Flight schedules are generally convenient, and reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities  are almost within walking distance of the airport.  No need for rental cars and driving time.  I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.  Obviously this isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying.
3.  No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.  There are some interesting scuba sites.
4.  Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.  Quite an engineering marvel.
5.  Plans don't depend on the weather.
 
Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:
1.  Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the year.  I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.  
2.  Really crappy airline service and schedules.  The only airports near the region are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.  None is a hub.  Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4 hours driving time from Branson.
 
Bottom line:  St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and efficient, and we could pack in a lot of tech time and presentations.  Subs would be for static display and examination only except for those who can go to the lakes.  The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway instead of flying.
 
Question #1:  How many would come to a centrally located convention with easy logistics but no sub diving?
Question #2.  How many would come to a centrally located lake convention with difficult airline access?
 
Guys, we really need to hear from you.  If there is sufficient interest, I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.  However there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention, and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the convention.  If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).  I'm not available to work any of those locations.
 
Best regards,
Jim


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From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
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Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014



It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane. 
Thanks,
Scott Waters









Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
 
Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
    

      Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether      it's a suitable location.  I seem to recall you said it had deep      water available but that it was also somewhat remote.
      
      
      
      On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
    
    
            
I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with        Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any        other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing        any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of        commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help        as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I        would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with        me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well. 
      
Thanks,
      
Scott Waters
      
    
    
  

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From proair2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 31 13:32:12 2014
From: proair2000 at yahoo.com (proair2000)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 13:32:12 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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I second the Alantic ocean, Florida is my home now, I transferred because of job related reasons. ?seabeetle is still in Ohio, in storage, but can be brought here for static display. would like a convention in early July before October. 85% chance of comming. West Virginia 75 percent chance of coming.Missouri 65 percent chance of coming, and with out seabeetle.


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Used to live twenty minutes north of you (Old Welwyn/Codicote). Let's have a meeting at your house. I'd love to get back to what in many ways I still consider home.
Vance


-----Original Message-----
From: Phil <phil at alistage.co.uk>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

Hi All,
As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies worth from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the (Atlantic Ocean).
1. Wet
2. Late Summer
3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!!
4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of attending one or both if separate locations.
I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just starting to build my submarine.
Kind regards from London England

Phil Christodolou
+ 44 (0)7768 233466

Alistage Ltd.
Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
Tel: 01707 653 245
www.alistage.co.uk

On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:

One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of?Missouri.? The considerations were these:
?
St. Louis:?
1.? Centrally located in the US.? We all love the coasts, but it can be a long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for attendees and any "imported" speakers.
2.? Excellent airline hub.? Flight schedules are generally convenient, and reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities? are?almost within walking distance of the airport.? No need for rental cars and driving time.? I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.? Obviously this isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying.
3.? No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.? There are some interesting scuba sites.
4.? Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.? Quite an engineering marvel.
5.? Plans don't depend on the weather.
?
Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:
1.? Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the year.? I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and?best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.?
2.? Really crappy airline service and schedules.? The only airports?near the region?are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.? None is a hub.? Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4 hours driving time from Branson.
?
Bottom line:? St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and efficient, and we could pack in?a lot of tech time and presentations.? Subs would be for?static display and examination only except for those who can go to the lakes.? The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway?instead of flying.
?
Question #1:? How many would come to a centrally located convention with easy logistics but?no sub diving?
Question #2.? How many would come to a centrally located lake convention with difficult airline access?
?
Guys, we really need to hear from you.? If there is sufficient interest, I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.? However there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention, and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the convention.? If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).? I'm not available to work any of those locations.
?
Best regards,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
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To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane.?
Thanks,
Scott Waters




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Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:

Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a suitable location.? I seem to recall you said it had deep water available but that it was also somewhat remote.



On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with         Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I         would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with         me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well.?
Thanks,
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From cgraca2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 31 14:04:01 2014
From: cgraca2 at gmail.com (Christopher Graca)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 13:04:01 -0600
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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1) Do you want a diving or dry convention?

Haven't gotten my SCUBA cert yet, and would only have a drawing set for my
current design progress, but it would still be nice to observe the diving
sessions.

2) What time of year?

No restrictions that I know of yet.

3) Your location choice?

St Louis/ Table Rock has highest chance of me making it.

4) What is the high probability of your attendance?

95% for STL or table rock (Muskegon if it falls back to that site). 60% for
East Coast.


-Chris


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:32 PM, proair2000 <proair2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I second the Alantic ocean, Florida is my home now, I transferred because
> of job related reasons.  seabeetle is still in Ohio, in storage, but can be
> brought here for static display. would like a convention in early July
> before October. 85% chance of comming. West Virginia 75 percent chance of
> coming.Missouri 65 percent chance of coming, and with out seabeetle.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: vbra676539 at aol.com
> Date:01/31/2014 12:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: member-forum at psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
> Used to live twenty minutes north of you (Old Welwyn/Codicote). Let's have
> a meeting at your house. I'd love to get back to what in many ways I still
> consider home.
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil <phil at alistage.co.uk>
> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 12:31 pm
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>  Hi All,
> As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies
> worth from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the
> (Atlantic Ocean).
> 1. Wet
> 2. Late Summer
> 3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am
> flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!!
> 4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of
> attending one or both if separate locations.
> I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just
> starting to build my submarine.
>  Kind regards from London England
>
>  Phil Christodolou
> + 44 (0)7768 233466
>
> Alistage Ltd.
> Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
> Tel: 01707 653 245
> www.alistage.co.uk
>
>  On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>    One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and
> make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table
> Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of Missouri.  The
> considerations were these:
>
> *St. Louis*:
> 1.  Centrally located in the US.  We all love the coasts, but it can be a
> long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for
> attendees and any "imported" speakers.
> 2.  Excellent airline hub.  Flight schedules are generally convenient, and
> reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities  are almost within
> walking distance of the airport.  No need for rental cars and driving
> time.  I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from
> airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.  Obviously this
> isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of
> flying.
> 3.  No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.  There are some
> interesting scuba sites.
> 4.  Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.  Quite an
> engineering marvel.
> 5.  Plans don't depend on the weather.
>
> *Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:*
> 1.  Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of
> the year.  I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics
> and best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.
> 2.  Really crappy airline service and schedules.  The only airports near
> the region are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa,
> Oklahoma.  None is a hub.  Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4
> hours driving time from Branson.
>
> Bottom line:  St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and
> efficient, and we could pack in a lot of tech time and presentations.  Subs
> would be for static display and examination only except for those who can
> go to the lakes.  The lake location is great for those who are driving
> anyway instead of flying.
>
> Question #1:  How many would come to a centrally located convention with
> easy logistics but no sub diving?
> Question #2.  How many would come to a centrally located lake convention
> with difficult airline access?
>
> Guys, we really need to hear from you.  If there is sufficient interest,
> I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.  However
> there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention,
> and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the
> convention.  If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us
> with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).  I'm
> not available to work any of those locations.
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>  It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and
> also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport
> is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic
> of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
>
>
>  Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>
> Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a
> suitable location.  I seem to recall you said it had deep water available
> but that it was also somewhat remote.
>
>
>
> On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
>
> I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will
> not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have
> been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a
> explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to
> help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would
> be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would
> volunteer the use of all my equipment as well.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
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From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca  Fri Jan 31 14:26:46 2014
From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:26:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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I would be interested in attending a convention that included submarines if it were on the West Coast.?? I would bring Gamma and possibly my small sub, I think both will go on one trailer.
Hank



On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:04:01 PM, Christopher Graca <cgraca2 at gmail.com> wrote:
  
1) Do you want a diving or dry convention?


Haven't gotten my SCUBA cert yet, and would only have a drawing set for my current design progress, but it would still be nice to observe the diving sessions. 

2) What time of year?

No restrictions that I know of yet. 

3) Your location choice?

St Louis/ Table Rock has highest chance of me making it.

4) What is the high probability of your attendance?


95% for STL or table rock (Muskegon if it falls?back?to that site). 60% for East Coast.? 


-Chris



On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:32 PM, proair2000 <proair2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I second the Alantic ocean, Florida is my home now, I transferred because of job related reasons. ?seabeetle is still in Ohio, in storage, but can be brought here for static display. would like a convention in early July before October. 85% chance of comming. West Virginia 75 percent chance of coming.Missouri 65 percent chance of coming, and with out seabeetle. 
>
>
>
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>-------- Original message --------
>From: vbra676539 at aol.com 
>Date:01/31/2014  12:52 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
>To: member-forum at psubs.org 
>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 
>
>Used to live twenty minutes north of you (Old Welwyn/Codicote). Let's have a meeting at your house. I'd love to get back to what in many ways I still consider home. 
>Vance
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Phil <phil at alistage.co.uk>
>To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 12:31 pm
>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>
>Hi All, 
>As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies worth from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the (Atlantic Ocean). 
>1. Wet 
>2. Late Summer 
>3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!! 
>4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of attending one or both if separate locations. 
>I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just starting to build my submarine. 
>Kind regards from London England 
>
>
Phil Christodolou
>+ 44 (0)7768 233466
>
>Alistage Ltd.
>Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
>Tel: 01707 653 245
>
>http://www.alistage.co.uk/   
>
>
>On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote: 
>
>One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of?Missouri.? The considerations were these: 
>>? 
>>St. Louis:?  
>>1.? Centrally located in the US.? We all love the coasts, but it can be a long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for attendees and any "imported" speakers. 
>>2.? Excellent airline hub.? Flight schedules are generally convenient, and reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities? are?almost within walking distance of the airport.? No need for rental cars and driving time.? I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.? Obviously this isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying. 
>>3.? No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.? There are some interesting scuba sites. 
>>4.? Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.? Quite an engineering marvel. 
>>5.? Plans don't depend on the weather. 
>>? 
>>Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes: 
>>1.? Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the year.? I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and?best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.?  
>>2.? Really crappy airline service and schedules.? The only airports?near the region?are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.? None is a hub.? Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4 hours driving time from Branson. 
>>? 
>>Bottom line:? St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and efficient, and we could pack in?a lot of tech time and presentations.? Subs would be for?static display and examination only except for those who can go to the lakes.? The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway?instead of flying. 
>>? 
>>Question #1:? How many would come to a centrally located convention with easy logistics but?no sub diving? 
>>Question #2.? How many would come to a centrally located lake convention with difficult airline access? 
>>? 
>>Guys, we really need to hear from you.? If there is sufficient interest, I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.? However there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention, and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the convention.? If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).? I'm not available to work any of those locations. 
>>? 
>>Best regards, 
>>Jim   
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
>>To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
>>Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
>>Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>>
>>
>>It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane.? 
>>Thanks, 
>>Scott Waters 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone  
>>Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether
      it's a suitable location.? I seem to recall you said it had deep
      water available but that it was also somewhat remote.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
>> 
>>I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well.? 
>>>Thanks, 
>>>Scott Waters 
>>> 
>>  
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From proair2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 31 14:32:01 2014
From: proair2000 at yahoo.com (proair2000)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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I myself would like a dive convention, Muskegon would be a good ?cite also -centrally located!!!


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Christopher Graca <cgraca2 at gmail.com> 
Date:01/31/2014  2:04 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org> 
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 

1) Do you want a diving or dry convention?

Haven't gotten my SCUBA cert yet, and would only have a drawing set for my current design progress, but it would still be nice to observe the diving sessions.

2) What time of year?

No restrictions that I know of yet.

3) Your location choice?

St Louis/ Table Rock has highest chance of me making it.

4) What is the high probability of your attendance?

95% for STL or table rock (Muskegon if it falls?back?to that site). 60% for East Coast.?


-Chris


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:32 PM, proair2000 <proair2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I second the Alantic ocean, Florida is my home now, I transferred because of job related reasons. ?seabeetle is still in Ohio, in storage, but can be brought here for static display. would like a convention in early July before October. 85% chance of comming. West Virginia 75 percent chance of coming.Missouri 65 percent chance of coming, and with out seabeetle.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: vbra676539 at aol.com 
Date:01/31/2014 12:52 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: member-forum at psubs.org 
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014 

Used to live twenty minutes north of you (Old Welwyn/Codicote). Let's have a meeting at your house. I'd love to get back to what in many ways I still consider home.
Vance


-----Original Message-----
From: Phil <phil at alistage.co.uk>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

Hi All,
As you have asked for response from the members, this is my 2 pennies worth from the English side of a very large Submarine dive site the (Atlantic Ocean).
1. Wet
2. Late Summer
3. Convention and Dive site together, makes no difference to me as I am flying a long way whenever the location is!!!!!!!!!!!
4. 80% chance of attending if it is a combined location. 40% Chance of attending one or both if separate locations.
I hope you get it all sort as I would love to attend as a new boy just starting to build my submarine.
Kind regards from London England

Phil Christodolou
+ 44 (0)7768 233466

Alistage Ltd.
Earls Farm, Earls Lane, South Mimms, Herts. EN6 3LT
Tel: 01707 653 245
www.alistage.co.uk

On 31 Jan 2014, at 16:58, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:

One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of?Missouri.? The considerations were these:
?
St. Louis:?
1.? Centrally located in the US.? We all love the coasts, but it can be a long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for attendees and any "imported" speakers.
2.? Excellent airline hub.? Flight schedules are generally convenient, and reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities? are?almost within walking distance of the airport.? No need for rental cars and driving time.? I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.? Obviously this isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of flying.
3.? No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.? There are some interesting scuba sites.
4.? Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.? Quite an engineering marvel.
5.? Plans don't depend on the weather.
?
Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:
1.? Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of the year.? I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics and?best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.?
2.? Really crappy airline service and schedules.? The only airports?near the region?are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma.? None is a hub.? Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4 hours driving time from Branson.
?
Bottom line:? St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and efficient, and we could pack in?a lot of tech time and presentations.? Subs would be for?static display and examination only except for those who can go to the lakes.? The lake location is great for those who are driving anyway?instead of flying.
?
Question #1:? How many would come to a centrally located convention with easy logistics but?no sub diving?
Question #2.? How many would come to a centrally located lake convention with difficult airline access?
?
Guys, we really need to hear from you.? If there is sufficient interest, I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.? However there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention, and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the convention.? If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).? I'm not available to work any of those locations.
?
Best regards,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014

It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane.?
Thanks,
Scott Waters




Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone

Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:

Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a suitable location.? I seem to recall you said it had deep water available but that it was also somewhat remote.



On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would volunteer the use of all my equipment as well.?
Thanks,
Scott Waters


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From jonw at psubs.org  Fri Jan 31 14:41:17 2014
From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Our contact in Muskegon no longer works at the museum so I don't know 
what level of support we could get there now.  Since we know the area it 
would be fairly easy to coordinate.  However, the water in the channel 
was less than ideal for diving (although very convenient).

Jon


From cliffordredus at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 31 16:09:03 2014
From: cliffordredus at sbcglobal.net (Cliff Redus)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 13:09:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Member-Forum]  PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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?


Jon, thanks for getting the ball rolling on this.? To answer your questions:

1) Do you want a diving or dry convention?
??? Wet 
2) What time of year?
?? Early July or Late Sept early Oct
3) Your location choice?
?? Table Rock Lake if Scott can bring "Trustworthy"
4) What is the high probability of your attendance?
? 90%

Cliff Redus





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 From: Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org>
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Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
  


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We need to start thinking about PC-2014 so people can start planning.? There was talk in October about Table Rock Lake in Missouri as a location for a diving convention and St. Louis, MO as a dry (technical meeting only) location.? It is likely that I will not be in attendance due to other commitments and so we will need a local planner to scout out lodging, restaurants, and other logistics for whatever site is selected.? I can help as much as possible from NH but a local planner is a necessity.

Note that Table Rock Lake is administrated by the Army Corps of Engineers and so diving submarines may need to abide by the operating rules we agreed to in mid-2012 (see http://www.psubs.org/guidelines/laws.html -> Corp of Engineers, Huntington District).

Another option might be Summersville Lake in WV.

1) Do you want a diving or dry convention?
2) What time of year?
3) Your location
 choice?
4) What is the high probability of your attendance?

Please respond to member-forum at psubs.org until the basic plans are decided and then we will announce publicly.

Jon

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From psub101 at indy.rr.com  Fri Jan 31 20:44:13 2014
From: psub101 at indy.rr.com (Steve McQueen)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 20:44:13 -0500
Subject: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
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Jim, thanks for offering to help.

I think for me a "diving" convention is a more value add.

To go back and answer Jon's original call for input:
I prefer a "wet" convention
location is not a big consideration for me but it is nice to be close to an
airport. I do like warmer/clear water.
Held during warmer weather (for that location)
80% attendance likelihood

Steve


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:58 AM, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:

>    One scenario considered was to have the convention in St. Louis and
> make arrangements for sub-diving either pre- or post-convention at Table
> Rock Lake or Bull Shoals in the southwest corner of Missouri.  The
> considerations were these:
>
> *St. Louis*:
> 1.  Centrally located in the US.  We all love the coasts, but it can be a
> long, expensive trip for those not from that side of the country for
> attendees and any "imported" speakers.
> 2.  Excellent airline hub.  Flight schedules are generally convenient, and
> reasonably priced hotels with good meeting facilities  are almost within
> walking distance of the airport.  No need for rental cars and driving
> time.  I've loved the prior conventions, however ground transportation from
> airport to convention has been a logistical consideration.  Obviously this
> isn't a big deal for those who are driving to the convention instead of
> flying.
> 3.  No sub diving sites anywhere near the convention.  There are some
> interesting scuba sites.
> 4.  Great side tour to go to the top of the Gateway Arch.  Quite an
> engineering marvel.
> 5.  Plans don't depend on the weather.
>
> *Table Rock/Bull Shoals Lakes:*
> 1.  Good diving facilities with reasonably good viz at the right time of
> the year.  I need to check with the dive master regarding specifics
> and best time to avoid algae bloom, etc.
> 2.  Really crappy airline service and schedules.  The only airports near
> the region are Springfield, Missouri, Little Rock, Arkansas, and Tulsa,
> Oklahoma.  None is a hub.  Little Rock and Tulsa are each about 3.5 to 4
> hours driving time from Branson.
>
> Bottom line:  St. Louis is logistically very clean, convenient, and
> efficient, and we could pack in a lot of tech time and presentations.  Subs
> would be for static display and examination only except for those who can
> go to the lakes.  The lake location is great for those who are driving
> anyway instead of flying.
>
> Question #1:  How many would come to a centrally located convention with
> easy logistics but no sub diving?
> Question #2.  How many would come to a centrally located lake convention
> with difficult airline access?
>
> Guys, we really need to hear from you.  If there is sufficient interest,
> I'll take a trip to either location (or both) to scout it further.  However
> there is a lot of work that goes into planning and organizing a convention,
> and it's very difficult to do it in the last few weeks before the
> convention.  If there is not enough interest in the above, that leaves us
> with East Coast, West Coast, Gulf Coast, or Great Lakes (Muskegon?).  I'm
> not available to work any of those locations.
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
> To: PSUBS Member Discussion Group <member-forum at psubs.org>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 9:13 am
> Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] PC 2014 - PSUBS Convention 2014
>
>  It does have deep water and fairly clear. It has inexpensive hotels and
> also has air fill stations for scuba. Only problem is the closest airport
> is a ways. You are right on the lake is Corps of Engineers. I'm in your nic
> of the woods Jon. I am in Philly, PA getting ready to hop on a plane.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
>
>
>
>  Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
>
> Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Scott, perhaps you can remind us about Table Rock Lake and whether it's a
> suitable location.  I seem to recall you said it had deep water available
> but that it was also somewhat remote.
>
>
>
> On 1/31/2014 9:49 AM, swaters wrote:
>
> I would prefer a diving conference. I will attend with Trustworthy. I will
> not be able to attend June1-July 15. Any other time should work ok. I have
> been unable to focus on doing any planning on the psubs conference due to a
> explosion of commitments for work with new stores. I would be willing to
> help as much as possible. I would vote for Summersville Lake, WV. I would
> be bringing my wife Katyand probably 2 or so divers with me. I would
> volunteer the use of all my equipment as well.
> Thanks,
> Scott Waters
>
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