<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Hi Paul,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>can you tell us a bit more about the thermo forming of the 165mm sphere.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Was it pressed in to a female mold? Was it from a cell cast acrylic sheet especially made?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I am wanting to thermo form a 700mm dome for 500ft, so gleaning all I can about the process.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Guy Richards from Blanson spoke on some of their failures, at the recent U.I. convention;</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>in particular about gluing a 4" thick sphere which he told me later was for Triton. They</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>overcame the problem of the glue bubbling by adding more pre polymerized MMA & going</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>to a German glue.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Saw your video that showed the piece of wood embedded in the dome Stanley made for you. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>What a
tragedy.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Regards Alan </span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Paul Moorhouse <paul@steel-fish.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> brian@ojaivalleybeefarm.com; 'PSUBS Member Discussion Group' <member-forum@psubs.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:19 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:
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#yiv2848370724 </style><div><div class="yiv2848370724WordSection1"><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hi Brian</span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">My Triton friends are hugely relieved that the first of their German made spheres arrived last week and has gone through pressure test already. They have three vehicles that are almost complete apart from the spheres. These 165mm thick spheres proved a step too far for conventional techniques and from three attempts only one serviceable sphere emerged from Stanley’s. It is a task beset with risks from start to finish and it was brave of them to attempt it. One finished sphere was lost on final anneal due to a power failure to the auto-clave over the week-end. </span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">The new spheres are made in a very different way employing thermo forming rather than traditional slush casting techniques. This results in excellent clarity. Keep glued to their web-site for progress. </span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Paul</span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Paul Moorhouse</span></b></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Design Engineer</span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:paul@steel-fish.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:paul@steel-fish.com"><span style="color:blue;">paul@steel-fish.com</span></a></span></div><div
class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.steel-fish.com/"><span style="color:blue;">www.steel-fish.com</span></a></span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">#44 7837 542878</span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv2848370724yqt7637111759" id="yiv2848370724yqt09310"><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Member-Forum [mailto:member-forum-bounces@psubs.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Cox<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> 25 March 2014 14:56<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> PSUBS Member Discussion Group<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Member-Forum] Moment of Inertia</span></div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div
class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Hi Paul,</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> On your web site it says "The 3300/3 program has been dogged by acrylic manufacturing problems" , do you mind if I ask what problems you encountered" ?</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv2848370724MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Brian<br clear="none"><br clear="none">--- <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:paul@steel-fish.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:paul@steel-fish.com">paul@steel-fish.com</a> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">From: "Paul Moorhouse" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:paul@steel-fish.com"
target="_blank" href="mailto:paul@steel-fish.com">paul@steel-fish.com</a>><br clear="none">To: "'PSUBS Member Discussion Group'" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:member-forum@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:member-forum@psubs.org">member-forum@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Member-Forum] Moment of Inertia<br clear="none">Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:10:06 -0000</span></div></div><div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Joe</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">As it happens, this is my day job. I have been designing submarine pressure vessels for the last 28 years. I am sure there are others on the forum who do this but I am happy to help if you would like, and others at PSUBS should the need arise. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"></span></div></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Frame size and spacing is inter-related and there is no one
answer. I have developed some models based on the European pressure vessel code PD5500 so running a new configuration is easy and surprisingly quick. PD5500 produces much lighter vessels than ASME VIII which is really aimed at chemical plant. In this way it is more similar to military codes but it does rely on quality assurance levels that do not generally come with home construction. So to cater for this, you put a factor in. I apologise in advance for all of the calculations being in metric but give me info in either. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">I would need to know</span></div><div style="margin-left:38.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Outside diameter</span></div><div style="margin-left:38.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Shell thickness</span></div><div style="margin-left:38.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Shell material </span></div><div style="margin-left:38.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Frame material</span></div><div style="margin-left:38.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">Diving depth</span></div><div style="margin-left:38.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Length of parallel body</span></div><div style="margin-left:38.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Ends, hemi or 2:1 dished.</span></div><div style="margin-left:38.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Preferred frame spacing </span></div><div style="margin-left:38.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Inside or outside frames</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">I can send you the PDF of the work sheet as the PD5500 sums do look very pretty. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">The next step is to design the hatch penetration and I can help you here also. </span></div><div> </div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">This guy can thermo form your acrylic</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.airesearch.nl/">http://www.airesearch.nl/</a></span></div><div> </div><div> </div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Regards</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Paul</span></div><div> </div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Paul
Moorhouse</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.steel-fish.com/">www.steel-fish.com</a></span></div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Member-Forum [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:member-forum-bounces@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:member-forum-bounces@psubs.org">mailto:member-forum-bounces@psubs.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Perkel<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> 25 March 2014 03:55<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> PSUBS Member Discussion Group<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Member-Forum] Moment of Inertia</span></div><div> </div><table class="yiv2848370724MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top" style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div>Where did I see the
rule of thumb for T-section rib sizing relative to shell thickness? I can't seem to find it now.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Joe<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div> _______________________________________________ Member-Forum mailing list <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="">Member-Forum@psubs.org</a> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/member-forum">http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/member-forum</a> </div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="yqt7637111759" id="yqt79864">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Member-Forum mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Member-Forum@psubs.org" href="mailto:Member-Forum@psubs.org">Member-Forum@psubs.org</a><br clear="none"><a
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