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I'll call tomorrow and make sure they respond to "PSUBS" or "Submarine Convention" as well. Jon On 7/15/2013 9:02 PM, swaters wrote: > Thanks John. I also booked my room and it is under "Wallace Group". > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > subvet596 at optonline.net wrote: > Hi all; > > The group is called th Wallace Group if you have a problem with > reservations. > > I'm just say 'n. > > John K. > (20r) 414-1000 > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonw at psubs.org Tue Jul 16 23:33:22 2013 From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:33:22 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2013 Convention In-Reply-To: <1374012016.69070.YahooMailNeo@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <002601ce74bf$33f91320$9beb3960$@indy.rr.com> <8D042D796B8CF75-1864-47BF7@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> <005c01ce7529$ccb44c00$661ce400$@indy.rr.com> <51CF84E4.6050209@psubs.org> <8D0439C937EFE90-1030-52A04@webmail-d278.sysops.aol.com> <51E467CF.3050302@psubs.org> <1373944409.62079.YahooMailNeo@web141202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51E5434E.5080801@psubs.org> <1374007996.664.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D0507E7A2A486F-EA4-E0570@webmail-va007.sysops.aol.com> <1374012016.69070.YahooMailNeo@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51E61082.8070907@psubs.org> Folks, half of the rooms at the Islander Resort are now taken. Please call them asap to reserve your room. I have inquired if more rooms will be available when these fill up but can't make any guarantee. It's always nice to be at the same hotel as everyone else so you can connect when convenient. The hotel has the contract in hand now so you can use "Submarine Convention" when you call OR you can reserve your room online. Go to http://www.islanderfloridakeys.com/group-reservations.php and enter "Submarine Convention" as the group name. Any problems ask for Shannon or Connie. Can't get resolution, contact me directly via email. Islander Resort 866-679-7192 http://www.islanderfloridakeys.com From jonw at psubs.org Tue Jul 16 23:33:46 2013 From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:33:46 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2013 Convention In-Reply-To: <1374012016.69070.YahooMailNeo@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <002601ce74bf$33f91320$9beb3960$@indy.rr.com> <8D042D796B8CF75-1864-47BF7@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> <005c01ce7529$ccb44c00$661ce400$@indy.rr.com> <51CF84E4.6050209@psubs.org> <8D0439C937EFE90-1030-52A04@webmail-d278.sysops.aol.com> <51E467CF.3050302@psubs.org> <1373944409.62079.YahooMailNeo@web141202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <51E5434E.5080801@psubs.org> <1374007996.664.YahooMailNeo@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D0507E7A2A486F-EA4-E0570@webmail-va007.sysops.aol.com> <1374012016.69070.YahooMailNeo@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51E6109A.5020104@psubs.org> Folks, half of the rooms at the Islander Resort are now taken. Please call them asap to reserve your room. I have inquired if more rooms will be available when these fill up but can't make any guarantee. It's always nice to be at the same hotel as everyone else so you can connect when convenient. The hotel has the contract in hand now so you can use "Submarine Convention" when you call OR you can reserve your room online. From haavard.hardy at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 08:13:32 2013 From: haavard.hardy at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_Hardy?=) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:13:32 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] coustume acrylic Message-ID: Hi. who makes custume view ports? lets say i wantet to make a sub like the one on captain america, you know the movie, the one man sub. http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/09/28/captain-america-hydra-submarine-in-liverpool/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From spiritofcalypso at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 22:31:09 2013 From: spiritofcalypso at gmail.com (Douglas Suhr) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 22:31:09 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep Flight Video In-Reply-To: References: <1373450175.66982.YahooMailNeo@web141201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the awesome video Alan. I agree with you though Rick, this fellow is pretty stuck on his subs and down on everyone else's. Never met him myself, a video is good enough for me. ~ Douglas S. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Land N Sea wrote: > ** > He filmed that here on the big Island and then gave an hour and a half > lecture before leaving. Unfortunately the sub was not available for viewing > as it had all ready been packed up for shipping back to the mainland. Very > interesting guy with quite a history but was down on boats with ballast as > well as flat viewports. > > Rick > > *From:* Alan James > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 09, 2013 11:56 PM > *To:* psubs.org > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep Flight Video > > This is a well filmed video of "Deep Flight" piloted by Graham Hawke. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRsV_eUovKw > Alan > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emile at airesearch.nl Thu Jul 18 05:06:03 2013 From: emile at airesearch.nl (Emile van Essen) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:06:03 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] coustume acrylic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The canopy /viewport of the depicted sub is not pressure resistant enough for a 1 ATM sub.. The shape will allow only a few meters.. Regards, Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens H?vard Hardy Verzonden: woensdag 17 juli 2013 14:14 Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] coustume acrylic Hi. who makes custume view ports? lets say i wantet to make a sub like the one on captain america, you know the movie, the one man sub. http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/09/28/captain-america-hydra-submarine-in-li verpool/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From haavard.hardy at gmail.com Thu Jul 18 11:40:28 2013 From: haavard.hardy at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_Hardy?=) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:40:28 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] coustume acrylic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: really? even if its like 30 - 40mm thick? and lets say 80mm x 100mm? how do i calculate how mutch it will take befor i breakes? 2013/7/18 Emile van Essen > The canopy /viewport of the depicted sub is not pressure resistant > enough for a 1 ATM sub..**** > > The shape will allow only a few meters..**** > > ** ** > > Regards, Emile**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *Van:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *Namens *H?vard Hardy > *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 juli 2013 14:14 > *Aan:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] coustume acrylic**** > > ** ** > > Hi. who makes custume view ports? lets say i wantet to make a sub like the > one on captain america, you know the movie, the one man sub. **** > > ** ** > > > http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/09/28/captain-america-hydra-submarine-in-liverpool/ > **** > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MerlinSub at t-online.de Thu Jul 18 12:28:00 2013 From: MerlinSub at t-online.de ( ) Date: 18 Jul 2013 16:28 GMT Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] coustume acrylic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1Uzr59-2GxlQG0@fwd08.t-online.de> With all cross sections nearly cylindrical shape, strong thickness, a 3d Modell and a FE calculation - it seems possible. But you need a male and a female soilds mould or may mill it out with a 3- or 5-axis maschine from a solid acrilic block. Both ways are really expensive. The frame to hold it maybe also to made in a mill out way. One problem with this strong thichness jetfighter style canopy can be also disoritentation of the view on the surface. Such a massive block on a 5 axis machine - say 75 USD per hour and around 14 days/night milling. Just about 25.000 USd for the milling. Maybe more Plus the block material. Plus some hundert hours of hand sanding and polishing in and outside. Inside polising will be a nightmare on its own. How much you want to spent for? vbr Carsten "H?vard Hardy" schrieb: really? even if its like 30 - 40mm thick? and lets say 80mm x 100mm? how do i calculate how mutch it will take befor i breakes? 2013/7/18 Emile van Essen The canopy /viewport of the depicted sub is not pressure resistant enough for a 1 ATM sub.. The shape will allow only a few meters.. Regards, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens H?vard Hardy Verzonden: woensdag 17 juli 2013 14:14 Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] coustume acrylic Hi. who makes custume view ports? lets say i wantet to make a sub like the one on captain america, you know the movie, the one man sub. http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/09/28/captain-america-hydra-submarine-in-liverpool/ _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -- Carsten Standfu? Dipl.Ing.Schiffbau @ Meerestechnik Heinrich Reck Str.12A 18211 Admannshagen 0172 8464 420 WWW.Euronaut.org Carsten at euronaut.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So at 60 amperes the heat loss is 9 times higher so I suspect the wire might get hot. Can you tell me what gauge wire you are using and the length? I can then tell you if the wire might work. Ken Martindale From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:38 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Wire size Would the same size wire that runs 12 volt 20 amp, run 36 volt 60 amp? I figured this is true based on 36 volt is moving 3 time faster. I can't find a 36 volt wire size chart anywhere. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: owner-personal_submersibles at psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:52 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video Enjoy.. shows in 4 minutes the hole concept of use. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1eajuc4RDg Carsten Standfu? Dipl.Ing.Schiffbau @ Meerestechnik Heinrich Reck Str.12A 18211 Admannshagen 0172 8464 420 WWW.Euronaut.org Carsten at euronaut.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From haavard.hardy at gmail.com Thu Jul 18 15:26:22 2013 From: haavard.hardy at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard_Hardy?=) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:26:22 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] coustume acrylic In-Reply-To: <1Uzr59-2GxlQG0@fwd08.t-online.de> References: <1Uzr59-2GxlQG0@fwd08.t-online.de> Message-ID: oh wow... think i just gonna scrap that idea... but i dont get the speedy look whit a round dome, , but i could have a round normal dome/hatch, hand have a cover over it, to get it more slick i guess. what is the price for a dome like you see on so many subs? somone have them at the front like view ports, and some use it as a viewport and hatch. 2013/7/18 > ** > With all cross sections nearly cylindrical shape, > strong thickness, a 3d Modell and a FE calculation > - it seems possible. > > But you need a male and a female soilds mould > or may mill it out with a 3- or 5-axis maschine from > a solid acrilic block. > > Both ways are really expensive. > > The frame to hold it maybe also to made in a mill out way. > > One problem with this strong thichness jetfighter style > canopy can be also disoritentation of the view on the surface. > > Such a massive block on a 5 axis machine - say > 75 USD per hour and around 14 days/night milling. > Just about 25.000 USd for the milling. Maybe more > Plus the block material. Plus some hundert hours of hand > sanding and polishing in and outside. Inside polising > will be a nightmare on its own. > > How much you want to spent for? > > vbr Carsten > > > "H?vard Hardy" schrieb: > > really? even if its like 30 - 40mm thick? and lets say 80mm x 100mm? how > do i calculate how mutch it will take befor i breakes? > > > 2013/7/18 Emile van Essen > >> The canopy /viewport of the depicted sub is not pressure resistant >> enough for a 1 ATM sub..**** >> >> The shape will allow only a few meters..**** >> >> **** >> >> Regards, Emile**** >> >> **** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *Van:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *Namens *H?vard Hardy >> *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 juli 2013 14:14 >> *Aan:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] coustume acrylic**** >> >> **** >> >> Hi. who makes custume view ports? lets say i wantet to make a sub like >> the one on captain america, you know the movie, the one man sub. **** >> >> **** >> >> >> http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/09/28/captain-america-hydra-submarine-in-liverpool/ >> **** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > > > -- > > Carsten Standfu? > Dipl.Ing.Schiffbau @ Meerestechnik > Heinrich Reck Str.12A > 18211 Admannshagen > > 0172 8464 420 > WWW.Euronaut.org > Carsten at euronaut.org > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smartphone > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From josephperkel at yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 08:25:38 2013 From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (josephperkel at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 05:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video In-Reply-To: <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A52108EC148@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <1374236738.79196.YahooMailIosMobile@web160505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Apparently Alec, Euronaut's sole purpose is to discover the still missing sterncastle of the Nuestra Se?ora de Atocha! :)

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Congratulations Juergen ________________________________ Von: "Smyth, Alec" An: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Gesendet: 13:40 Donnerstag, 18.Juli 2013 Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video E-Mail Software 6.0 Wow, that is one superb video. What I would like to know is the secret wreck-searching missions Euronaut will be going on? ? ? From:owner-personal_submersibles at psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:52 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video ? Enjoy..?? shows in 4 minutes the hole concept of use. ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1eajuc4RDg Carsten Standfu? Dipl.Ing.Schiffbau @ Meerestechnik Heinrich Reck Str.12A 18211 Admannshagen 0172 8464 420 WWW.Euronaut.org Carsten at euronaut.org _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MerlinSub at t-online.de Fri Jul 19 09:48:00 2013 From: MerlinSub at t-online.de ( ) Date: 19 Jul 2013 13:48 GMT Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video In-Reply-To: <1374236738.79196.YahooMailIosMobile@web160505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1374236738.79196.YahooMailIosMobile@web160505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1V0B3X-4GN9Gq0@fwd11.t-online.de> N.S.d.Atocha is one of 41.000 wrecks in my own wreck database.. But the targets for these sub are depther releated - form 25 to 250 meter depth. The boat is not designed for shallow waters were diver from Rib boat can better work. And the Euronaut will work together with archologist and media people to work it out and tell old storys. In the baltic the wooden wrecks last long much longer than in the caribian. http://www.sjohistoriska.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_1444/cf_696/Sj-h-sten.JPG http://www.thehistoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sword-gunports.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/The_Wasa_from_the_Bow.jpg The warship Wasa sunk 1628 was rasied 1961 after 333 years underwater and run to the floating dock under tow of a tug boat and floating on its own keel. Euronaut will make it much easier to research and document medium depth wrecks. vbr Carsten schrieb: Apparently Alec, Euronaut's sole purpose is to discover the still missing sterncastle of the Nuestra Se?ora de Atocha! :) Joe Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Smyth, Alec ; To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ; Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video Sent: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 6:40:54 PM Wow, that is one superb video. What I would like to know is the secret wreck-searching missions Euronaut will be going on From: owner-personal_submersibles at psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:52 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video Enjoy.. shows in 4 minutes the hole concept of use. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1eajuc4RDg Carsten Standfu? Dipl.Ing.Schiffbau @ Meerestechnik Heinrich Reck Str.12A 18211 Admannshagen 0172 8464 420 WWW.Euronaut.org Carsten at euronaut.org -- Carsten Standfu? Dipl.Ing.Schiffbau @ Meerestechnik Heinrich Reck Str.12A 18211 Admannshagen 0172 8464 420 WWW.Euronaut.org Carsten at euronaut.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Juergen Guerrero Kommritz To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video Very nice video a wonderfull boat. Congratulations Juergen Von: "Smyth, Alec" An: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Gesendet: 13:40 Donnerstag, 18.Juli 2013 Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video Wow, that is one superb video. What I would like to know is the secret wreck-searching missions Euronaut will be going on? ? ? From:owner-personal_submersibles at psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:52 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video Enjoy..?? shows in 4 minutes the hole concept of use. ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1eajuc4RDg Carsten Standfu? Dipl.Ing.Schiffbau @ Meerestechnik Heinrich Reck Str.12A 18211 Admannshagen 0172 8464 420 http://www.euronaut.org/ Carsten at euronaut.org _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seaquestor at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 17:41:23 2013 From: seaquestor at gmail.com (David Colombo) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:41:23 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ICTINEU-3 Message-ID: Hi Guys, Here is a link to the ICTINEU-3, which I saw the presentation for at the Underwater Intervention Convention earlier this year. Looks like they need funding to complete their project. Its a pretty cool sub that has been working with GL for classification. http://www.verkami.com/locale/en/projects/6203# Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From seaquestor at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 18:30:27 2013 From: seaquestor at gmail.com (David Colombo) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:30:27 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Thrusters Message-ID: Just ordered the first two of six Minnkota 101's, saltwater with extra seals. Cost $310 each for lower units, $510 for controller and $86 for hand piece. Unknown on the freight cost yet. The lower units do not include a shaft but are threaded for 1.25" pipe with a fine thread as I am told. Should arrive end of next week and then I will be able complete the new kort nozzle design and pressure compensator unit. Then to run tests to see if they really output 101 lbs of thrust on my new test sled. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephperkel at yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 20:30:20 2013 From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (josephperkel at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Latest Euronaut Video In-Reply-To: <1V0B3X-4GN9Gq0@fwd11.t-online.de> Message-ID: <1374280220.52861.YahooMailIosMobile@web160504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The Wasa caught my eye, I've never known of her existence. What an amazing state of preservation.

Thank you for that Carsten, I'm always interested in learning about such fascinating subjects.

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Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From piolenc at archivale.com Sun Jul 21 21:00:39 2013 From: piolenc at archivale.com (Marc de Piolenc) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:00:39 +0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Web based discussion In-Reply-To: <51EC4724.1010004@psubs.org> References: <51EC4724.1010004@psubs.org> Message-ID: <51EC8437.6070503@archivale.com> Too bad. You need to keep in mind that you will lose people by going to a Web forum - not because of lack of access but because of lack of time. One of my other strong interests is ferrocement, but since the ferrocement email list went to the Web I've almost completely lost touch with it. I can screen scores of incoming emails in the time it takes to log on to one Web forum, and a hundred or more in the time it takes to scroll through a list of threads to see if anything interesting has popped up or been updated. I have many fields of interest, so the net result is that I am forced to choose between many email-based discussions (sixty or so at last count) and a few Web-based ones. Right now the only Web-based board I visit regularly is the Rotorcraft Forum, and I use it as a Web resource - searching for specific technical information - not as a means of communication with other enthusiasts. At the very least you might want to survey your membership to see who is in a similar situation to mine. I hope you reconsider this move and reject it. If not, well - it was fun while it lasted. Best to all, Marc de Piolenc On 7/22/2013 4:40 AM, Jon Wallace wrote: > > The time is coming close where we may be forced to move to a web based > discussion format. -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From piolenc at archivale.com Sun Jul 21 21:04:38 2013 From: piolenc at archivale.com (Marc de Piolenc) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:04:38 +0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Web based discussion In-Reply-To: <51EC4724.1010004@psubs.org> References: <51EC4724.1010004@psubs.org> Message-ID: <51EC8526.5030305@archivale.com> Forgot to mention. Years ago there was already list management software that could bust through SPAM filters. It was very simple: it simply sent an individual message to every member of the list, so each header contained only one destination address. Worked perfectly. At the time, I was maintaining a mailing list for a magazine publisher, and it was absolutely essential for EVERY email to get through because we used the list to solicit updates for the annual directory issue. There was no problem at all. Such software must still exist today. Best, Marc On 7/22/2013 4:40 AM, Jon Wallace wrote: > > The time is coming close where we may be forced to move to a web based > discussion format. Our mailing list has been rejected by AOL which > leaves some important people off the list including Vance Bradley and > Phil Nuytten. I am currently working with AOL to get our mailing list > whitelisted (allowed to pass through to AOL recipients) but can't > guarantee they will allow it. Unfortunately more and more large service > providers are taking a hard stance on what they perceive as spam and the > only way around this is to move to a web based discussion list. > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From spiritofcalypso at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 00:00:51 2013 From: spiritofcalypso at gmail.com (Douglas Suhr) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 00:00:51 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Web based discussion In-Reply-To: <51EC8526.5030305@archivale.com> References: <51EC4724.1010004@psubs.org> <51EC8526.5030305@archivale.com> Message-ID: I understand it may be a bit of an inconvenience for some, but couldn't those with AOL just use a gmail account specific to psubs? I mean they're so easy to open and also serve as a good way to organize! That is what I did with my sub name because I wanted a dedicated address just for submersible activity. Hell I've got so many gmail accounts for all my different projects that I finally started a word document to keep all the passwords straight. Just my suggestion. I have to agree with Marc though, it will make it a lot harder if we go to a wb forum. I love keeping up with what you guys are conversing about, but I doubt that I will take the time to look through something that doesn't stand out like an email. ~ Douglas S. On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Forgot to mention. Years ago there was already list management software > that could bust through SPAM filters. It was very simple: it simply sent an > individual message to every member of the list, so each header contained > only one destination address. Worked perfectly. At the time, I was > maintaining a mailing list for a magazine publisher, and it was absolutely > essential for EVERY email to get through because we used the list to > solicit updates for the annual directory issue. There was no problem at > all. Such software must still exist today. > > Best, > Marc > > > On 7/22/2013 4:40 AM, Jon Wallace wrote: > >> >> The time is coming close where we may be forced to move to a web based >> discussion format. Our mailing list has been rejected by AOL which >> leaves some important people off the list including Vance Bradley and >> Phil Nuytten. I am currently working with AOL to get our mailing list >> whitelisted (allowed to pass through to AOL recipients) but can't >> guarantee they will allow it. Unfortunately more and more large service >> providers are taking a hard stance on what they perceive as spam and the >> only way around this is to move to a web based discussion list. >> >> Jon >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.**org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/**listinfo.cgi/personal_**submersibles >> >> > -- > Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/**catalog > Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/**weblog > Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/**639380 > Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-**dePiolenc > Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ > ______________________________**_________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.**org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/**listinfo.cgi/personal_**submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonw at psubs.org Mon Jul 22 00:58:01 2013 From: jonw at psubs.org (Jon Wallace) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 00:58:01 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Web based discussion In-Reply-To: <51EC8526.5030305@archivale.com> References: <51EC4724.1010004@psubs.org> <51EC8526.5030305@archivale.com> Message-ID: <51ECBBD9.2090305@psubs.org> The ISP can monitor that as well. If you make too many separate connections within a certain time period they will block you. Unfortunately none of the major mailing list software come with such an option anyway. They are typically designed for large lists and the problem with large lists is that you can get to a point where the software can't keep up if the outgoing mail is throttled to low. I did write software for an outgoing only mailing list a few years ago which incorporated throttling but to modify it to accept incoming mail as well would require more time than I have to dedicate to it. I have used majordomo since 1996 but development for it has been stagnant for years now and it has ceased functioning with the latest versions of Perl. I moved over to mailman which looks to be working quite nicely but it does not have throttling capabilities. These large ISP's are taking spam control to ridiculous levels in my opinion but there is nothing I can do about it. Microsoft is even worse (hotmail, etc), they don't even give you the option of proving you are not producing spam. Unfortunately we're slowly falling between a rock and a hard place. I prefer the email option personally but about a dozen people are impacted by this AOL block. They would either have to create new accounts with other providers as Douglas suggested, or file a complaint with AOL. The problem however is that I'm starting to see more and more of this happening. On 7/21/2013 9:04 PM, Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Forgot to mention. Years ago there was already list management > software that could bust through SPAM filters. It was very simple: it > simply sent an individual message to every member of the list, so each > header contained only one destination address. Worked perfectly. At > the time, I was maintaining a mailing list for a magazine publisher, > and it was absolutely essential for EVERY email to get through because > we used the list to solicit updates for the annual directory issue. > There was no problem at all. Such software must still exist today. > > Best, > Marc From jon.wallace at yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 11:19:17 2013 From: jon.wallace at yahoo.com (Jon Wallace) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] AOL TEST Message-ID: <1374592757.90170.YahooMailNeo@web140904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ? Sorry for the wide dispersal. ? AOL account holders, please respond if you receive this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vbra676539 at aol.com Tue Jul 23 11:39:27 2013 From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] AOL TEST In-Reply-To: <8D055D1A435577F-9D0-A453@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com> References: <1374592757.90170.YahooMailNeo@web140904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8D055D1A435577F-9D0-A453@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8D055D1F347E347-9D0-A4A4@webmail-d136.sysops.aol.com> and it posted w/psubs address, too!!! -----Original Message----- From: vbra676539 To: jon.wallace ; personal_submersibles Sent: Tue, Jul 23, 2013 11:37 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] AOL TEST Jon, Got it, although that's the first since I sent you the notice. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace To: personal_submersibles Sent: Tue, Jul 23, 2013 11:19 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] AOL TEST Sorry for the wide dispersal. AOL account holders, please respond if you receive this. _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com Wed Jul 24 11:51:24 2013 From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:51:24 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Double Seal? Message-ID: Hi All, I have to re-machine the pop off top of my overpressure valve. I threaded the hole by hand and now i have finally attepted to fit it with its O ring, i can see that the bolt is not straight, causing mis-seating of the valve top. Im not over happy with having the bolt passing through anyway as it doesnt slide very easily. So, im going to machine up a new smooth shaft which should be straight. Thats easy enough. BUT, at the same time, i am tempted to put in a second O ring groove and have 2 O rings on the pop off top. There is enough room for one outside the existing. I seem to remember there was discussion on double O rings a while ago. Anyone have any thoughts on this idea? Seems to me to be a good idea as its got 2 seals, but ? Pic here as i was machining it. Kind Regards James http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/publication2_files/Page20544.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Alec.Smyth at covisint.com Wed Jul 24 17:15:36 2013 From: Alec.Smyth at covisint.com (Smyth, Alec) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:15:36 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Double Seal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521598EE51@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Personally I think two O rings might make it harder to seal than one. The idea with this type of valve is to minimize the cracking power, which means using the weakest possible spring that will reliably achieve a seal. If you are squeezing two O rings instead of one, you probably have to squeeze harder. That's just a totally unverified, theoretical, and random thought. Best, Alec From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of James Frankland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:51 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Double Seal? Hi All, I have to re-machine the pop off top of my overpressure valve. I threaded the hole by hand and now i have finally attepted to fit it with its O ring, i can see that the bolt is not straight, causing mis-seating of the valve top. Im not over happy with having the bolt passing through anyway as it doesnt slide very easily. So, im going to machine up a new smooth shaft which should be straight. Thats easy enough. BUT, at the same time, i am tempted to put in a second O ring groove and have 2 O rings on the pop off top. There is enough room for one outside the existing. I seem to remember there was discussion on double O rings a while ago. Anyone have any thoughts on this idea? Seems to me to be a good idea as its got 2 seals, but ? Pic here as i was machining it. Kind Regards James http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/publication2_files/Page20544.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 24 17:33:05 2013 From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Double Seal? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1374701585.8358.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> If you double up the O-rings you increase the pressure it takes to open the valve.? If I have it right, you want to put a second o-ring beside the original o-ring.? The design is flawed from the start.? Doubling the O-rings makes it worse.? The original valve if I recall takes 20% more internal pressure than external pressure to open, not including? any spring tension.??? Hank From: James Frankland To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:51:24 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Double Seal? Hi All, ? I have to re-machine the pop off?top of my overpressure valve.? I threaded the hole by hand and now i have finally attepted to fit it?with its O ring, i can see that the bolt is not straight, causing mis-seating of the valve top.?? Im not over happy with having the bolt passing through anyway as it doesnt slide very easily.? So, im going to machine up a new smooth shaft which should be straight.? Thats easy enough. ? BUT, at the same time, i am tempted to put in a second O ring groove and have 2 O rings on the pop off top.? There is enough room for one outside the existing.? I seem to remember there was discussion on double O rings a while ago.? Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?? Seems to me to be a good idea as its got 2 seals, but ? ? Pic here as i was machining it. ? Kind Regards James ? http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/publication2_files/Page20544.htm _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com Thu Jul 25 04:59:01 2013 From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:59:01 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Double Seal? In-Reply-To: <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521598EE51@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: , <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521598EE51@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <6e7f273f5d1e487e99822c8b6b98c3f6@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Thanks Alec\Hank. I didnt think of that. I will leave it as it is with just a single seal. Kind Regards James ________________________________ From: Personal_Submersibles on behalf of Smyth, Alec Sent: 24 July 2013 22:15 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Double Seal? Personally I think two O rings might make it harder to seal than one. The idea with this type of valve is to minimize the cracking power, which means using the weakest possible spring that will reliably achieve a seal. If you are squeezing two O rings instead of one, you probably have to squeeze harder. That's just a totally unverified, theoretical, and random thought. Best, Alec From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of James Frankland Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:51 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Double Seal? Hi All, I have to re-machine the pop off top of my overpressure valve. I threaded the hole by hand and now i have finally attepted to fit it with its O ring, i can see that the bolt is not straight, causing mis-seating of the valve top. Im not over happy with having the bolt passing through anyway as it doesnt slide very easily. So, im going to machine up a new smooth shaft which should be straight. Thats easy enough. BUT, at the same time, i am tempted to put in a second O ring groove and have 2 O rings on the pop off top. There is enough room for one outside the existing. I seem to remember there was discussion on double O rings a while ago. Anyone have any thoughts on this idea? Seems to me to be a good idea as its got 2 seals, but ? Pic here as i was machining it. Kind Regards James http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/publication2_files/Page20544.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com Tue Jul 30 04:40:01 2013 From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:40:01 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Message-ID: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Hi All, I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm Kind Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emile at airesearch.nl Tue Jul 30 05:26:06 2013 From: emile at airesearch.nl (emile at airesearch.nl) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:26:06 -0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <3bb726d5c6b3423ff2561ac8ed0f857b.squirrel@www.airesearch.nl> Congratulations!! Emile > Hi All, > > I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane > etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a > couple of weeks. > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm > > Kind Regards > James > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > From hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca Tue Jul 30 06:03:29 2013 From: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca (hank pronk) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 03:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <1375178609.71171.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Well done, I sure like your MBT's? very clean looking sub. Hank From: James Frankland To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:40:01 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub!? I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done.? I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. ? http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm ? Kind Regards James _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 06:18:08 2013 From: alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com (Alan James) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 03:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <1375179488.69603.YahooMailNeo@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> WOW that's looking awesome James. Congratulations, what a marathon. Alan ________________________________ From: James Frankland To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:40 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub!? I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done.? I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. ? http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm ? Kind Regards James _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephperkel at yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 06:40:19 2013 From: josephperkel at yahoo.com (Joe Perkel) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:40:19 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <7640480C-6995-490A-9BD9-769328A3B4D4@yahoo.com> Congratulations James its been a long hard run! I especially like the helper with the hammer! I would silhouette that image and give it a place of honor on the sub! Joe Sent from my overpriced iPhone On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:40 AM, James Frankland wrote: > Hi All, > > I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm > > Kind Regards > James > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vbra676539 at aol.com Tue Jul 30 06:50:56 2013 From: vbra676539 at aol.com (vbra676539 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <8D05B29CE25B466-754-6FC2@webmail-m139.sysops.aol.com> Congratulations, James. Vance -----Original Message----- From: James Frankland To: personal_submersibles Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 4:40 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm Kind Regards James _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pilotfishp at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 06:55:41 2013 From: pilotfishp at gmail.com (Antoine Delafargue) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:55:41 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Bravo! a real beauty regards, Antoine On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:40 AM, James Frankland < jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > > I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane > etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a > couple of weeks. > > > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm > > > > Kind Regards > > James > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgcottrell2002 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 09:05:52 2013 From: jgcottrell2002 at yahoo.com (greg cottrell) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <1375189552.35591.YahooMailNeo@web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Congratulations James!?I really like the sleek fairings and forward dome. Great job. ? Greg ? ? ? ________________________________ From: James Frankland To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:40 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub!? I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done.? I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. ? http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm ? Kind Regards James _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cgraca2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 10:27:18 2013 From: cgraca2 at gmail.com (Christopher Graca) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:27:18 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <7f3f4.e09ba29.3f29171c@aol.com> References: <7f3f4.e09ba29.3f29171c@aol.com> Message-ID: Congrats! On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:18 AM, wrote: > ** > Congratulations, James, I love the aesthetics and your personal stamp on > the design. Looking forward to its baptism. > > Cheers, > Jim > > In a message dated 7/30/2013 3:40:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com writes: > > Hi All, > > I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane > etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a > couple of weeks. > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm > > Kind Regards > > James > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg at snyderemail.com Tue Jul 30 10:45:19 2013 From: greg at snyderemail.com (greg at snyderemail.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:45:19 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: References: <7f3f4.e09ba29.3f29171c@aol.com> Message-ID: Awesome! Congratulations nad thank you for sharing it with us!! Best regards- Greg Congrats! On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:18 AM, wrote: > ** > Congratulations, James, I love the aesthetics and your personal stamp on > the design. Looking forward to its baptism. > > Cheers, > Jim > > In a message dated 7/30/2013 3:40:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com writes: > > Hi All, > > I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane > etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a > couple of weeks. > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm > > Kind Regards > > James > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From jon.wallace at yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 11:10:37 2013 From: jon.wallace at yahoo.com (Jon Wallace) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: References: <7f3f4.e09ba29.3f29171c@aol.com> Message-ID: <1375197037.54546.YahooMailNeo@web140901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> An outstanding accomplishment James!? Dedicated perseverance has paid off.? Your excellent documentation of the project has been extremely valuable and "Jodie-B" is beautiful looking vessel.? Can't thank you enough for sharing with us. ? Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Alec.Smyth at covisint.com Tue Jul 30 11:16:30 2013 From: Alec.Smyth at covisint.com (Smyth, Alec) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:16:30 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521599EBAE@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Wow, nice job. That front dome is what every Kittredge owner always wanted! Best, Alec From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of James Frankland Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:40 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm Kind Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com Tue Jul 30 11:30:14 2013 From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:30:14 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521599EBAE@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>, <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521599EBAE@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <42966144191f49f0a7e2eadb14c9951d@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Thanks everyone. I would also like to thank everyone in the club who has helped me over the years. People have been very kind and sent me parts, plans, drawings, put up with my dopey questions, but most importantly given me advice to which i am very grateful. I've had very few people here to ask any advice, so psubs has been invaluable to me. Its been a team effort! I hope it works! We'll see in a week or so.. kind regards James ________________________________ From: Personal_Submersibles on behalf of Smyth, Alec Sent: 30 July 2013 16:16 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Wow, nice job. That front dome is what every Kittredge owner always wanted! Best, Alec From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of James Frankland Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:40 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm Kind Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swaters at waters-ks.com Tue Jul 30 12:31:55 2013 From: swaters at waters-ks.com (swaters) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:31:55 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Message-ID: Congrats James! I hope to be not to much longer myself. Thank you, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? SmartphoneJames Frankland wrote:Hi All, I finished my sub!? I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done.? I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. ? http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm ? Kind Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitestar456 at manx.net Tue Jul 30 12:57:19 2013 From: whitestar456 at manx.net (Graham Bayliss) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:57:19 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <005101ce8d45$db299b80$917cd280$@net> Well done I'm jealous it makes me think of how much i need to do to mine. graham From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of James Frankland Sent: 30 July 2013 09:40 To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm Kind Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spiritofcalypso at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 13:58:55 2013 From: spiritofcalypso at gmail.com (Douglas Suhr) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 13:58:55 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <005101ce8d45$db299b80$917cd280$@net> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> <005101ce8d45$db299b80$917cd280$@net> Message-ID: Congratulations James, what a beautiful vessel. Happy Diving! ~ Douglas S. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Graham Bayliss wrote: > Well done I?m jealous it makes me think of how much i need to do to mine.* > *** > > ** ** > > graham**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *James Frankland > *Sent:* 30 July 2013 09:40 > > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete**** > > ** ** > > Hi All,**** > > > I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane > etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a > couple of weeks.**** > > **** > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm**** > > **** > > Kind Regards**** > > James**** > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MerlinSub at t-online.de Tue Jul 30 13:58:00 2013 From: MerlinSub at t-online.de ( ) Date: 30 Jul 2013 17:58 GMT Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <1V4EDE-2GyrcO0@fwd06.t-online.de> Hi James - allways a hand of water over the hatch and under the keel! The forward tank looks like a nice wet passanger compartment.. vbr Carsten "James Frankland" schrieb: Hi All, I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm Kind Regards James -- Carsten Standfu? Dipl.Ing.Schiffbau @ Meerestechnik Heinrich Reck Str.12A 18211 Admannshagen 0172 8464 420 WWW.Euronaut.org Carsten at euronaut.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net Tue Jul 30 14:56:42 2013 From: landnsea1 at hawaiiantel.net (Land N Sea) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:56:42 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <2DE903B9C8174AA19BB0746D1306AFC4@LandNSeaPC> Congratulations on a job well done! Must be a very great feeling and can?t wait for my turn! Rick From: James Frankland Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:40 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. 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URL: From hc.fulton at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 17:18:03 2013 From: hc.fulton at gmail.com (Hugh Fulton) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:18:03 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <42966144191f49f0a7e2eadb14c9951d@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com>, <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521599EBAE@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <42966144191f49f0a7e2eadb14c9951d@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <51f82d8d.c402440a.2e4b.ffffd2c5@mx.google.com> Well done James!! Looks great. Good luck on your dives, Kind regards, Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of James Frankland Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013 3:30 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Thanks everyone. I would also like to thank everyone in the club who has helped me over the years. People have been very kind and sent me parts, plans, drawings, put up with my dopey questions, but most importantly given me advice to which i am very grateful. I've had very few people here to ask any advice, so psubs has been invaluable to me. Its been a team effort! I hope it works! We'll see in a week or so.. kind regards James _____ From: Personal_Submersibles on behalf of Smyth, Alec Sent: 30 July 2013 16:16 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Wow, nice job. That front dome is what every Kittredge owner always wanted! Best, Alec From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of James Frankland Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:40 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm Kind Regards James __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8625 (20130729) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psub101 at indy.rr.com Tue Jul 30 19:01:08 2013 From: psub101 at indy.rr.com (Steve McQueen) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:01:08 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <00a701ce8d78$ad79b6b0$086d2410$@indy.rr.com> James, thanks for keeping the Web site during your project. It has expired me many times. As others have said it is very nice looking. Steve McQueen From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of James Frankland Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:40 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete Hi All, I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a couple of weeks. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm Kind Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From piolenc at archivale.com Tue Jul 30 22:12:26 2013 From: piolenc at archivale.com (Marc de Piolenc) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:12:26 +0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521599EBAE@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521599EBAE@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <51F8728A.5080307@archivale.com> What a beauty! Looks like you've actually shortened the pressure hull, but extended the forward main ballast tank and put ports in it - for upward vision for occupants looking out through the front dome? Anyway, a whole lot sexier than the Kittredge boats. Can't wait to see the first dive video... Best, Marc On 7/30/2013 11:16 PM, Smyth, Alec wrote: > Wow, nice job. That front dome is what every Kittredge owner always wanted! > > Best, > > > Alec > > *From:*Personal_Submersibles > [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *James > Frankland > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:40 AM > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete > > Hi All, > > > I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane > etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a > couple of weeks. > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm > > Kind Regards > > James > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com Wed Jul 31 04:51:59 2013 From: jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com (James Frankland) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:51:59 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete In-Reply-To: <51F8728A.5080307@archivale.com> References: <1924fe01a8db45048b749ec73771a52c@AM3PR02MB017.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> <8EFD3A400B1B3B4AB934A915D9CC7A521599EBAE@BY2PRD0512MB656.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>, <51F8728A.5080307@archivale.com> Message-ID: Thanks All. >What a beauty! Looks like you've actually shortened the pressure hull, Hi Marc, No, the pressure hull is as per the plans. Appart from the dome and the 2 extra front viewports. >but extended the forward main ballast tank and put ports in it - for >upward vision for occupants looking out through the front dome? Yes exactly. I wish i had made the forward tank viewports a bit bigger, but I cannot change them now. View from the dome is pretty good as it is. Regards James ________________________________________ From: Personal_Submersibles on behalf of Marc de Piolenc Sent: 31 July 2013 03:12 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete What a beauty! Looks like you've actually shortened the pressure hull, but extended the forward main ballast tank and put ports in it - for upward vision for occupants looking out through the front dome? Anyway, a whole lot sexier than the Kittredge boats. Can't wait to see the first dive video... Best, Marc On 7/30/2013 11:16 PM, Smyth, Alec wrote: > Wow, nice job. That front dome is what every Kittredge owner always wanted! > > Best, > > > Alec > > *From:*Personal_Submersibles > [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *James > Frankland > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:40 AM > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Complete > > Hi All, > > > I finished my sub! I have to prepare the trailer and organise the crane > etc, but the boat itself is done. I hope to have her in the water in a > couple of weeks. > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page28938.htm > > Kind Regards > > James > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles