[PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification

[Douglas Suhr]

Thank you Carsten, I appreciate your input. It seems that certification is
such a chore (and comes at such a high cost) that it probably isn't worth
doing for a recreational submersible.

I think Hank really nailed it on the head about testing. Proper testing
builds confidence in everyone's minds. But to those who are willing to go
forward with the arduous and costly certification process, I salute you. ~
Douglas S.


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:32 PM, <MerlinSub at t-online.de> wrote:

>  Douglas, there is no advantage to class a such sub.
>
> Classification is required if you like to insurance the
> boat or do commercial operations with payed crew or pay-guest.
>
> If I ride with guest or even own crew - the have to undersign a paper that
> they
> known that the boat has no insurance, and they take a risk on there own
> responsibility.
>
> A other good reason for certification is if you like later to sale the
> boat.
> A boat with a certification can be use commercial and get there fore a
> much higher price.
>
> A other reason can be maybe that you are unsure what you are doing.
> But in that case you should not build a Psub anyway..
>
> A good compromice for Psub builder is maybe to collect all material
> certificates, building documentaion, construction pictures and test etc
> etc.
> and build the boat strait according to the rules.
> This gives you a chance to certificate the boat later.
>
> Nemo100  boats for example have a hull only certificate from GL
> and a saftey building certificate from Swizz Lloyds
> and the insurance company / flag state accept that.
>
> vbr Carsten  (Owner of two non classed sub - one since 30 years).
>
>
> "Douglas Suhr" <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com> schrieb:
>
> I have a question. Assuming I am building a single (as in, quantity: 1)
> submersible that I don't plan to sell or give to anyone else, what is the
> big advantage/motivation to having my sub classed by any of these
> organizations (excluding the prestige)? That's a lot of money to throw at a
> certificate or whatever (that could be used to build a submarine!).
>
> If you plan to carry passengers for hire and need insurance, or are trying
> to procure commercial work of any sort, I understand completly. But for the
> average joe submersible builder, what's the big draw? ~ Douglas S.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Jim Todd <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> The public use has to do with trademarks and some copyrights.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:52 PM, "Phil Nuytten" <phil at philnuytten.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Alan
>> RE: cost of sub certification - If you do all the test documentation,
>> plan approval docs, FEA’s, Von Mises, construction drawings, electronic
>> schematics, piping diagrams and sub-system drawings, yourself – figure
>> about $50,000.
>>  Phil
>> BTW, putting a patentable idea out in the ‘public domain’ most certainly
>> doesn’t safeguard against anyone copying it – in fact, it may well be the
>> exact opposite! ‘Public Disclosure’ may well prohibit the ability to engage
>> the patent  process, period. (Not trying to chuck cold water, but check the
>> US patent act and that’s what you’ll find . . . if you intend to disclose
>> prior to patenting, then at least apply for a ‘Provisional Patent’ – dirt
>> cheap, and protects you for 12 months or so )
>>  *From:* Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:04 PM
>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification
>>
>>  Hi Jon,
>> someone may have more knowledge on this but I think that
>> because you have put your idea out in the public domain
>> it may be regarded as "prior art work" safe guarding you against
>> anybody patenting your idea.
>> Can anybody have a guess at what classification for a boat similar
>> to a K350 would cost in fees to an agency, aside from all the additional
>> costs in getting together all the documentation etc.
>> Alan
>>
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>> *From:* Jon Wallace <jonw at psubs.org>
>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:22 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Submersible Classification
>>
>>
>> And nobody better steal my idea until I patent it.
>>
>> On 11/26/2013 2:26 PM, MerlinSub at t-online.de wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am pretty sure a electric driven MBT valve based on a handheld drilling
>> machine motor will be not accept as equal solution.
>>
>>
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