[PSUBS-MAILIST] Kittredge memorial

Sat Oct 12 12:11:24 EDT 2013

I forgot about the acrylic cylinder.  It was headed to the dump because they didn't know what it was.  I told the executor that I'd see if anyone in the group wanted to purchase it.  Kyle Edlund owns it now.

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On Sat, 10/12/13, greg cottrell <jgcottrell2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kittredge memorial
 To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 Date: Saturday, October 12, 2013, 10:13 AM

 It was meant to be
 direct drive. George had an 8 horse yanmar diesel set aside
 for it. Dan Lance and I helped him fix a throttle problem he
 had with the engine one time when we paid him a visit.
 George had a transmission for the engine as well because he
 said "you need
 reverse". The
 sub had an 24" x 12" tall x 1.5"
 thick acrylic cylinder for viewing (made by "spec
 plastics" many years before). I believe Jon ended up
 with the cylinder. George also had a brand new 24" dome
 (made by yours truly) in case he decided not to go with the
 cylinder. I believe that Ian ended up with the pedal powered
 sub and the new dome (which I was glad to see because Ian
 was a great friend to
  George). In
 one of my last conversations with George, I asked
 him how he was going to use the diesel sub when it was
 finished. His reply was simple-
   "Have
 you ever seen how scallops jump off the bottom when you
 disturb them? We'll, I was thinking that if I built a
 submarine with a hatch in the bottom, they might just jump
 in the submarine as I drive over top of them. So, I think
 I'll finish the diesel sub with a hatch in the bottom
 and drive over a bed of scallops to see if they jump
 inside". With
 a little more time I think he would have done
 it. Greg 

      On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:52 PM,
 "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com>
 wrote:

 That looks to be across the road from the little store
 with the great lobster rolls and the nautical art place. For
 the uninitiated, the church in the background is the one
 Mrs. Captain Kittredge attended, and just over the forward
 main ballast tank is George's old shop. If you look
 carefully, you can see the marine railway.

 Vance

 -----Original Message-----

 From: greg cottrell <jgcottrell2002 at yahoo.com>

 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>

 Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2013 2:36 pm

 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Kittredge memorial

 You
 can see the Kittredge memorial sub on this link:

 http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.com/2012/09/personal-submarines.html

 Greg

 From: greg cottrell
 <jgcottrell2002 at yahoo.com>

 To: Personal
 Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 

 Sent: Friday,
 October 11, 2013 5:22 PM

 Subject: Re:
 [PSUBS-MAILIST] Diesel Exhaust

 Vance,

 I can confirm that the sub that George intended to be
 diesel powered was
 cleaned and painted through the efforts of his friend Ian
 and local business and put on display as a memorial to
 George.

 Greg

 From: "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com>

 To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 

 Sent: Friday,
 October 11, 2013 11:39 AM

 Subject: Re:
 [PSUBS-MAILIST] Diesel
 Exhaust

 James,

 I think the
 diesel subs were mentioned in passing in George's autobiography,
 rather than in detail. They were K-subs, one 500-foot
 capable that went to Alaska for a recently retired super
 tanker Captain. He had another one (the third?)
 unfinished sitting in the weeds by the shop when I was
 last there which I half remember was a K-250.

 All I
 really remember about that one is that the aft
 elliptical head was flanged and bolted to the hull
 cylinder for access to the diesel, and had the
 underwater exhaust like a WW II sub and a snorkel for the
 engine. That was going to be the Skipper's next
 personal sub, but he got sidetracked when he reacquired
 the K-600. He never finished the diesel sub that I know of,
 and I don't have any idea
 what happened to it in any case.

 I do know
 that the family house and archives were donated to the
 Owl's Head township or
 the county historical society or somebody like
 that, and that something or other is on display up
 there. No idea where, but you might call the South Thomaston library, which
 is open part time and just down the street from the Kittredge house. They
 might know something about what went where, or provide a
 clue you could follow. I don't know what they
 ended up doing with the house itself, either. Maybe
 it's a museum now,
 too.

 There is
 also a very nice transportation museum just up the road from
 George's house. (it
 might, in fact, be called the Owl's Head
 Transportation Museum, or something similar). Who
 knows? That little sub might have been painted up and put on
 display as a reminder of one of South Thomaston's most interesting
 and productive characters. Be a shame if it wasn't.

 And if the
 diesel sub modifications could be unearthed, I'm sure they would
 be a welcome addition to the psubbers
 archives. There will be prints, somewhere. George did a
 lot of them himself, but surely they were saved, and having
 been saved, might be rescued from obscurity. If it costs a
 bit, let me know. I'll chip in just
 for general interest, and perhaps others would, too. Also,
 Jon had some of the last dealings up there, and might have
 an idea or two about how you (or we) could track things
 down.

 Vance

 -----Original Message-----
 From: James Frankland <jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com>
 To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2013 6:10 am
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Diesel
 Exhaust

 Hi Greg\All,

 Does anyone have any more info on Georges diesel
 subs?  I have his book and i dont recall any mention
 of them, though i could be mistaken, its a while since i
 read it.  I'd just be
 interested to see more info.  Were they K type
 designs?  Or something else?
 Thanks

 james

 On 11 October 2013
 13:03, greg cottrell <jgcottrell2002 at yahoo.com>
 wrote:

 Captain
 Kittredge built
 a couple of diesel subs that worked very well. In his
 design, exhaust went straight down
 into the water at the bottom of the hull. The exhaust exit
 was directly behind what looked like a "v" shaped
 steel skeg that
 created a low pressure area when the sub was moving forward.
 The low pressure area reduced back pressure on the
 exhaust.

 Incidentally,
 one of George's customers bought
 a diesel sub from him but took it down one time without
 closing the exhaust valve. Water entered one of the
 cylinders in the diesel and bent either the crank or the
 rods when he tried to start the engine.

 Greg

 From: Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com>
 To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
 Sent: Thursday, October
 10, 2013 10:15 PM
 Subject: Re:
 [PSUBS-MAILIST] Dive
 report - Pickles Reef

 I've been
 following this discussion with great interest. I
 don't have a

 sub yet, but I do live in the Tropics, and
 as there's no cold
 current 
 handy to where I live any subbing I
 do will be in water pretty near air 
 temperature. As you might expect,
 I've given this
 problem a lot of thought.

 My tentative conclusion is that, if I build
  a sub, I will have to make 
 it
  more autonomous than is the rule on this list.
 Specifically, it will 
 need a combustion
 engine to ferry itself on the surface to dive sites, 
 and to maintain comfort and keep the battery
 topped off for diving while 
 doing so. I
 started with the assumption that I would need an air 
 conditioning unit running off a small
 industrial diesel, but then I 
 realized
 that, if I use a snorkel exhausting into the cabin, and have

 the diesel draw air from the cabin, I get
 continuous renewal of the air 
 in the cabin
 without the cost, power burden and safety problems of 
 running a Rankine cycle refrigeration system.
 That's the
 solution that 
 I've retained for
 the moment. Of course I also need a secure means of 
 preventing exhaust gas from being aspirated
 into the snorkel (I can't 
 quite understand how naval submarines manage to
 combine both functions 
 in one mast), but
 that might be as simple as having the diesel exhaust 
 flush with the hull, with some arrangement to
 prevent water from coming 
 in. Since the
 diesel would only be used on the surface, and the snort 
 would only be there to allow a low-freeboard hatch
 to be kept closed, 
 the power penalty would
 be minimal.

 Fuel storage, fuel feed and
 the like still have to be worked out. Naval 
 submarines have very complex arrangements for
 this, and that complexity 
 must be tolerated
 for a good reason. Even so, I need a simpler way to do 
 it that still protects the fuel from
 contamination and me from asphyxiation.

 Marc de Piolenc

 On 10/11/2013 1:45 AM, Land N
 Sea wrote:
 > I have been out of the loop
 for 5 weeks on the mainland on my sailboat
 > and I should of read all the emails before
 responding when I got back. I
 > did view
 the great footage and noticed that my tower looked a
 little
 > taller
  (good for water ingress) and of course doesn’t have
 the dome so
  I
 > hopefully won’t have quite as bad
 of a heat problem as one with the dome
 >
 but I was thinking about Emile’s clear acrylic fairing as
 an option when
 > I heard about the water
 egress problems with a three foot chop.
 >
 It does get pretty hot here and we are about the same
 latitude as
 > Florida so I will probably
 be trying Phil’s idea of the frozen pouches
 > vest and or the gallon of frozen water and
 have the air coming out of my
 > scrubber
 blowing against it.
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