[PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request

Marc de Piolenc piolenc at archivale.com
Tue Oct 29 10:30:14 EDT 2013


Two suggestions have already been made, namely printing it in sections - 
a common practice - and the woodlathe-master idea.

Marc

On 10/29/2013 8:54 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
> Marc,
>
> What other build processes can you recommend? Intake diameter of nozzle exceeds capability of 3d process and cost issues.
>
> How do hovercraft builders (hobbyists) maintain an accurate profile on such large ducts?
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from my overpriced
> iPhone
>
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com> wrote:
>
>> A Kort nozzle is a ducted propeller - known by the name of the inventor of that particular application.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On 10/29/2013 4:08 AM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>>> Yes Carsten, very hopeful moneywise!
>>> But, I wonder if this is a shrouded/ducted prop as opposed to an
>>> accurate Kort Nozzle. But, perhaps it may not matter in the end if all
>>> one wants is a prop guard.
>>> I am going to see what different configurations of the Kort Nozzle bring
>>> in terms of material cost.
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de" <MerlinSub at t-online.de>
>>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 3:19 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request
>>>
>>> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Brand-New-300W-Motor-Powered-Sea-Scooter-Underwater-propeller-Diving-Assistant/336556698.html
>>>
>>> Inside Diameter of the Kortnozzle is 250mm or 9,84 something inch.
>>>
>>> Protection grid forward and aft are just fix with clips.
>>>
>>> vbr Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Alec,
>>>
>>>     Don't count it out just yet, I went to Gavin via the link you
>>>     provided and had an epiphany! Note well the inside surface vs the
>>>     outside surface of that Kort nozzle!!
>>>
>>>     The model I quoted was solid material!!
>>>
>>>     I know what I'm doing tonight!
>>>
>>>     Joe
>>>
>>>     Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
>>>
>>>
>>>     *From: *Alec Smyth <alecsmyth at gmail.com>;
>>>     *To: *Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>;
>>>     *Subject: *Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request
>>>     *Sent: *Mon, Oct 28, 2013 5:28:50 PM
>>>
>>>     Sounds like David has just saved me the work of taking a 101 apart
>>>     and measuring it, thanks! As for the 101 prop size, it's 11"
>>>     diameter. Before you go off spending $760 on a nozzle, you might
>>>     want to look up these folks: http://www.gavinscooters.com/ I
>>>     can't help notice Emile used a Gavin, and it looks like Gavin
>>>     Scooters, Inc. is right in your neighborhood.
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>
>>>     Alec
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Joe Perkel
>>>     <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>         David,
>>>         Thats spectacular, thanks!
>>>         Joe
>>>
>>>         *From:* David Colombo <seaquestor at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>         *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>         <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>         *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 12:12 PM
>>>
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request
>>>
>>>         Hey Joe,
>>>         I will send you my cad files on the Minkota 101 Saltwater. I
>>>         have measured my new 101s and weed 2 prop.  I have also worked
>>>         out the Marin 37 Kort nozzel design and attachment to the
>>>         thruster for use on the SeaQuestor project. I will be most
>>>         likely sending it to my fiberglass fabricator who will cut the
>>>         assembly in foam  on their 5 axis cnc, ready for a fiberglass
>>>         overlay.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Best Regards,
>>>         David Colombo
>>>
>>>         804 College Ave
>>>         Santa Rosa, CA. 95404
>>>         (707) 536-1424
>>>         http://www.seaquestor.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:03 AM, <jimtoddpsub at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Joe,
>>>             Since you asked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_urethanes
>>>             Jim
>>>             -----Original Message-----
>>>             From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>>>             To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>             <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>             Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 9:54 am
>>>             Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request
>>>
>>>             Ok gentlemen first round of quotes for a Marin 19A Nozzle
>>>             only in ABS plastic (White) for a 6" prop and not accounting
>>>             for prop clearance is $760. This is using FDM process.
>>>             Same nozzle in cast urethane,.. $ 3,700,.. what is cast
>>>             urethane? Dont want it anyway!!!
>>>             I need to know the exact diameter of a Weedless wedge 2 prop
>>>             for a 4" motor in order to get the quote exact.
>>>             Joe
>>>
>>>             *From:* hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
>>>             *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>             <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>             *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 10:28 AM
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request
>>>
>>>             Scott,
>>>             I use weights from a weight lifting set, the steel ones.
>>>             They could go outside on a peg so to speak.  The only
>>>             problem is you want them at the bottom of the sub.  That
>>>             means hauling the sub unless you want to get wet.  Maybe a
>>>             slide system.    I thought the same thing to put the air
>>>             outside, that would kill my sleek and slippery-ness.  :-)
>>>             Hank
>>>
>>>             *From:* swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
>>>             *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>>             <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>             *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 7:46:30 AM
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request
>>>             Hatch closure from both sides deffenetly a good one. I would
>>>             say adjustable exterior weights. I hate the idea on chucking
>>>             weights on the floor and then sitting on them. I am torn
>>>             between that and moving the hp air tanks to the exterior to
>>>             allow alot more room on the inside.
>>>             Thanks,
>>>             Scott Waters
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone
>>>             hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>             Joe,
>>>             Why don't you take a vote on what the best improvement
>>>             would be for a k sub or alike.  My vote would be for a hatch
>>>             closure from both sides.
>>>             Hank
>>>
>>>             *From:* Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com>
>>>             *To:* "personal_submersibles at psubs.org"
>>>             <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>             *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 5:41:42 AM
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request
>>>             I just love the world in which we live! Look what I found
>>>             while waiting to take my daughter to school,..
>>>             http://www.quickparts.com/QuickQuote.aspx
>>>
>>>             Isn't that just the coolest thing! The Star Trek
>>>             synthesizer in the real world.
>>>
>>>             Joe
>>>
>>>             Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
>>>
>>>             *From: *Marc de Piolenc <piolenc at archivale.com>; *To:
>>>             *<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>; *Subject: *Re:
>>>             [PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request *Sent: *Mon, Oct 28, 2013
>>>             10:46:58 AM
>>>             Never thought much about doing it at small scale.
>>>
>>>             I suppose I would set up something like a wood lathe or a
>>>             potter's wheel
>>>             and work in some very soft material like low-density foam.
>>>             Once I had
>>>             the shape that I wanted, I suppose one could pour a mold
>>>             around the
>>>             master, melt or dissolve out the pattern and cast the final
>>>             part in some
>>>             suitable plastic, or even in aluminum if you were ambitious.
>>>
>>>             3D printing seems like the ultimate way to do it, though -
>>>             the accuracy
>>>             available is already better than what we would need, and if
>>>             the inital
>>>             results are not perfect, making changes and printing out
>>>             another
>>>             prototype is very quick.
>>>
>>>             Marc
>>>
>>>             On 10/28/2013 6:13 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:
>>>              > How can a home builder maintain that contour 360 Deg out
>>>             of "X" material?
>>>              >
>>>              > Joe
>>>              >
>>>              > Sent from my overpriced
>>>              > iPhone
>>>              >
>>>              > On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:57 AM, Marc de Piolenc
>>>             <piolenc at archivale.com> wrote:
>>>              >
>>>              >> Quick clarification: a properly contoured Kort nozzle,
>>>             MARRIED TO A MATCHING PROPELLER, will increase static and
>>>             low-speed thrust. Of course it won't increase power,
>>>             since that comes from your motor. If you just put a shroud
>>>             around your existing prop, you will be disappointed, and a
>>>             shroud that doesn't do the job is overpriced unless
>>>             it's free! Key ingredients for success:
>>>              >>
>>>              >> Prop matched to the shroud
>>>              >> Shroud matched to the speed and thrust requirement of
>>>             the vehicle
>>>              >> Motor matched to the resulting prop
>>>              >>
>>>              >> Marc
>>>              >>
>>>              >> On 10/28/2013 8:33 AM, Jon Wallace wrote:
>>>              >>>
>>>              >>> What is the cost of having a true Kort nozzle machined
>>>             by a CNC? I think
>>>              >>> a 30% improvement in thrust for $30 would be great but
>>>             I suspect
>>>              >>> machining a Kort is going to equate to many hundreds of
>>>             dollars, if not
>>>              >>> reaching beyond a thousand.  When I look at the Snoopy
>>>             underwater videos
>>>              >>> it is difficult to imagine a kort nozzle really making
>>>             any difference in
>>>              >>> the operational experience given that the motors are
>>>             operating very
>>>              >>> slowly and pushing Snoopy around at about 2 knots
>>>             (estimated).  The
>>>              >>> props are designed for power, but that's what we
>>>             want underwater.  True,
>>>              >>> a kort nozzle would increase that power but what is the
>>>             return on the
>>>              >>> cost?  In other words, on a road with a speed limit of
>>>             30mph and no
>>>              >>> passing zones it doesn't matter whether you have a
>>>             1.6 liter or 5.4
>>>              >>> liter engine under the hood does it?
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