[PSUBS-MAILIST] Compensatig fluid and viscosity

via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Sat Aug 30 18:46:08 EDT 2014


Brian,
 
I think the flash point for MMO is only slightly above that for WD-40  
which is 122 F.  Flash points below 100 F are "flammable" and flash  points  
from 101 to 200 are "combustible."  Proprietary spec sheets  will often say 
flammable even when in the combustible range.  Don't know  why; might have 
something to do with lawyers.
 
Veterinary supply stores are the only ones I've found selling  unscented 
mineral oil in small quantities (1 gallon), and I have no idea of the  
viscosity.
 
I often see a substantial variation in the quoted viscosity of a  product.  
Again, not sure why.  In lubricants the viscosity can double  with as 
little as a 10 degree F change in temperature.  If I were trying to  choose 
between MMO and a very low viscosity mineral oil, I'd probably test  viscosity of 
each at 40, 70, and 100 F.  Or I'd just ask Alec and go with  his 
recommendation.
 
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 8/30/2014 3:43:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes:

The  marvel mystery oil does have a very low viscosity - 2.6 cSt  but that 
is  probably because it has mineral spirits in it, it is flammable and has a 
 flashpoint of 160 degrees.

here is a link to the penreco mineral oils,  I use a cosmetic grade mineral 
oil in my beeswax skin cream (Drake oil #7)  ,  I buy a drum at a time so I 
guess I'm sort of partial to it.  But  you can get lower viscosity than 
what I  use.

http://www.penreco.com/images/spec-sheets/White_Oil.pdf

Brian

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 09:49:41 -0700


Jim, Thanks' I was  going to ask what is the preferred oil.
I have been using WD40 for some  time now and found no problems.  I did 
have a clear tube running to a  motor and it hardened.  Other than that the 
motors I have are on  their  third sub and still working.  I will make the 
switch to  marvel mystery oil since I am now out of WD40. 
Hank  
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Hank,

I don't know if you will find an oil with  lower
viscosity than WD40.  
The problem with WD40 is that it is a  solvent that damages
plastic and rubber 
components within the  motor.  Alec Smyth did a lot of
testing on various 
oils.  The  last I knew the medium of choice was Marvel
Mystery Oil.  
It's  safe for the seals, etc., and has a lower viscosity
than any straight  
mineral oil.

For thrusters, comparative amp draw at a given  RPM
(with associated heat 
build-up) is probably more significant  than drop in maximum
RPM since we're 
not generally operating at  maximum.  That might not be true
when you're 
using the motor to  operate a pump.

Jim


In a message dated 8/30/2014  5:51:09 A.M. Central
Daylight Time, 
personal_submersibles at psubs.org  writes:
Brian,
Yes, I have heard others have had good success
with  
different oils.  Maybe the rpm drop is less with  other
oils.  

Hank
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Hank, There is a  very thin 
mineral
oil that might be better that the
wd  40

Brian

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Vance,
Yes for sure, 
Gamma has  two separate amp gauges, one for the
motor and one for the rest  
of the sub. All 24v and the
trolling motor
is 12  v
Hank 

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Yeah, 
too
simple. Maybe that's a good
guess, but..... I will  say

that an ammeter in the boat is a good thing.  You can
keep
an
eye 
on things, and if it goes  UP at some stage, you would
suspect a 
thruster  issue (a tangle, or a bearing failure
or
whatever). All  
it takes is an appropriate shunt and a
gauge
(in  my pre-digital 
steampunk mind). Okay, thanks anyway.  I

was curious, that's 
all.
Vance







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Vance,
I did not do an 
amp  draw test because I do not have the

technology in house. I  

would guess with a 10% rpm drop, there
may be a  10% amp

increase. That would be 
to  simple
:-)


Hank

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Hank,
Did you  check the amperage? I 
wonder if the
resistance  causes a
higher draw, and if so, 
how
much?

Vance








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I am working on a
hydraulic
pump that will  be 
external and pressure compensated 
in
oil.  I am using a 
trolling motor to drive
the  pump.  A
while back there was 

a  question about rpm drop when a
trolling motor 
is
filled
with oil.  I
bench 
tested that  today, 
and the motor runs at  2,000rpm
stock
and
1,800 rpm full of 

WD40.
Hank

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