[PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch

Daniel Lance via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Mon Dec 1 12:14:09 EST 2014


Alec hit the nail right on the head . Either clamp or tack weld the ring to
a rigid steel table . It will definately warp if not restrained in some
manner. Rework is not cost effective .
Dan Lance
On Dec 1, 2014 8:21 AM, "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> I'd suggest clamping the ring to something very rigid before welding, and
> putting down no more bead than strictly necessary. Perhaps Dan Lance can
> chime in?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alec
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:04 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>> I have to agree about feeling better with the ring in the middle.  At the
>> same time, I feel better if the CT is also in the middle and the hatch dome
>> is in the middle.  This way all the force from the hatch is in a strait
>> line down to the hull.  When I welded my K350  ring (not ss) it warped just
>> under 1/8in.  I have to assume the designer allowed for that and started
>> with a heavier ring than required.  I never use a ss ring, so can't say how
>> it will react.  I would assume it will warp at least 1/8 inch maybe more.
>> Your starting with 1/2 inch material, what will you end up with?  Will it
>> be enough?  I would consider making a steel ring, then bolt the ss ring to
>> it.  I am assuming the ss ring is simply for corrosion resistance.  I would
>> run that idea by an engineer of coarse.
>> Maybe your welders have a technique to reduce warp age.
>> Do you have a lathe big enough to machine this?
>> Hank
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sun, 11/30/14, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch
>>  To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>  Received: Sunday, November 30, 2014, 11:32 PM
>>
>>  Hank,
>>         I'm sort of leaning back
>>  towards putting everything in the middle again.  For
>>  some reason the wider the hatch ring the better it makes me
>>  feel, not sure why that is, maybe just more surface area to
>>  be in contact.  Theoretically if your two mating pieces
>>  are perfectly flat you wouldn't even need an o ring !
>>  Also, my welder wants me to put it in the middle.
>>
>>  Brian
>>
>>  --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>  To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch
>>  Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:51:28 -0800
>>
>>
>>  Brian,
>>  If the hatch dome ends in the center it would.  Did you
>>  notice how narrow the land is on Gamma, it is like 3/4
>>  inch.  The hatch ring is the same, I was surprised to
>>  see that.
>>  Hank--------------------------------------------
>>  On Sun, 11/30/14, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>   Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch
>>   To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>   Received: Sunday, November 30, 2014, 6:09 PM
>>
>>   Seems like if you had the welds in
>>   the center the pressure would be distributed evenly across
>>   the 1 1/2" land and hatch ring.
>>
>>   Brian
>>
>>   --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>   wrote:
>>
>>   From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>   To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>   Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch
>>   Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:55:45 -0800
>>
>>
>>   And that point is generally at the outer edge of the land.
>>   Hank--------------------------------------------
>>   On Sun, 11/30/14, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>>   <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>   wrote:
>>
>>    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch
>>    To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>    Received: Sunday, November 30, 2014, 1:54 PM
>>
>>    You would think the weld
>>    point should be directly below the weld point where
>>  the
>>    hatch dome meets the ring.  This would transfer the
>>  load
>>    straight down.
>>    Hank
>>    --------------------------------------------
>>    On Sun, 11/30/14, Brian Cox via
>>    Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>    wrote:
>>
>>     Subject: Re:
>>    [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch
>>     To:
>>    "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     Received: Sunday, November 30, 2014, 1:51
>>    PM
>>
>>     Good information Alec,
>>    thanks !
>>     I'll have it turned
>>    afterward of course but no need to take
>>     off
>>    more metal than necessary.
>>
>>     Brian
>>
>>     ---
>>    personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>     wrote:
>>
>>
>>    From: Private via Personal_Submersibles <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
>>    <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch
>>     Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:30:18 -0500
>>
>>     Careful! If you weld a ring
>>    on the way you describe with the
>>     weld in
>>    the middle, the weld shrinkage on either side of the
>>     head wall can bend the SS, leaving you with a
>>    curved SS
>>     ring. I can tell you from painful
>>    experience the amount of
>>     deflection can be
>>    amazing, we're not talking a few
>>
>>    hundredths... In my case it was about a quarter
>>  inch.
>>    I'd
>>     recommend cutting the head so it
>>    meets the ring at the
>>     outside corner.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Alec
>>
>>
>>
>>     > On Nov 30, 2014, at
>>    11:36 AM, Brian Cox via
>>
>>    Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     wrote:
>>     >
>>
>>    > Hank,
>>     >      I think I'm
>>    going to have a shop
>>     down the road turn
>>    that elliptical head so that the edge
>>     comes
>>    right in the middle of the bottom of the ring, still
>>     need to talk to the welder to see what kind of
>>    edge he
>>     wants.  With the hatch I'm
>>    thinking of welding a large
>>     pipe segment on
>>    there because there's nothing to grab onto
>>     for the lathe.
>>     >
>>     > Brian
>>     >
>>     > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>     wrote:
>>     >
>>
>>    > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>>  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     > To: Personal Submersibles General
>>    Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma
>>    hatch
>>     > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 07:57:38
>>    -0800
>>     >
>>     > Brian,
>>     > I will look forward to a picture of your
>>    CT and
>>     hatch.  In particular I would like
>>    to see how you
>>     transition from the
>>    elliptical portion to the 1 1/2in wide
>>
>>    ring.
>>     > Hank
>>     >
>>    --------------------------------------------
>>     > On Sun, 11/30/14, Brian Cox via
>>    Personal_Submersibles
>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     wrote:
>>     >
>>
>>    > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch
>>     > To: "Personal Submersibles General
>>    Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     > Received: Sunday, November 30, 2014,
>>    10:44 AM
>>     >
>>     > Hi
>>    Hank,
>>     >            I bought two
>>     > stainless rings 1/2" thick by 1
>>    1/2" wide (18" id).
>>     Which
>>     > will be welded on to the conning tower
>>    and the hatch,
>>     then a
>>     >
>>    o ring groove put in the hatch side.  With the
>>     drop I
>>     > was able to get
>>    6  - 6" disks which I'm going to
>>
>>    make
>>     > into electrical inserts that will
>>    go into two of my
>>     > viewports.
>>     >   Conning tower getting welded today (
>>    8
>>     viewports) and
>>     > also
>>    working on the other viewports on the sphere, got
>>     two
>>     > welder friends that
>>    I have working on them, both 30+
>>     years
>>     > of commercial welding experience !
>>     >
>>     > Brian
>>     >
>>     > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>     > wrote:
>>     >
>>     > From: hank pronk via
>>    Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     > To: Personal Submersibles General
>>    Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma
>>    hatch
>>     > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 05:39:19
>>    -0800
>>     >
>>     > Brian,
>>     > What did you do for the hatch seat on the
>>    conning
>>     > tower.  Is it stainless or
>>    did you do like Gamma
>>     has, a
>>     > layer of stainless welded on.
>>     > Hank
>>     >
>>    --------------------------------------------
>>     > On Sat, 11/29/14, Brian Cox via
>>    Personal_Submersibles
>>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     > wrote:
>>     >
>>     >  Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma hatch
>>     >  To: "PSubs" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>     >  Received: Saturday, November 29, 2014,
>>    8:30 PM
>>     >
>>     >
>>    Hank,
>>
>>
>>    >  Do you know how big the shaft is that goes
>>     through the top
>>     >  of
>>    your hatch?  Have you every had to
>>
>>    disassemble it
>>     >  ?  My hatch is
>>    pretty much identical to
>>     Gamma's,
>>     >  I'm in the process of cutting in a
>>    little
>>     viewport in
>>     >
>>    and also that rotating hatch closure shaft /
>>     thru  hull
>>     >
>>    deal.   Seems like at least a 3/4"
>>
>>    shaft
>>     >  would be in
>>
>>    >  order. Brian
>>     >
>>
>>    >  -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>
>>    >
>>     >
>>    _______________________________________________
>>     >  Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>     >  Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>     >  http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>     >
>>
>>     >
>>     >
>>    _______________________________________________
>>     > Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>     > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>     > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>     >
>>     >
>>
>>    >
>>     >
>>    _______________________________________________
>>     > Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>     > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>     > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>     >
>>     >
>>
>>    > _______________________________________________
>>     > Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>     > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>     > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>     >
>>     >
>>
>>    >
>>     >
>>    _______________________________________________
>>     > Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>     > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>     > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>>
>>    _______________________________________________
>>     Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>     Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>     http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>>
>>
>>    _______________________________________________
>>     Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>     Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>     http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>>
>>    _______________________________________________
>>    Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>    Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>    http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>>   _______________________________________________
>>   Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>   Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>   http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>>
>>
>>   _______________________________________________
>>   Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>   Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>   http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>  Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>  http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>>  Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>>  http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list
>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Personal_Submersibles mailing list
> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org
> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.whoweb.com/pipermail/personal_submersibles/attachments/20141201/83fdef52/attachment-0001.html>


More information about the Personal_Submersibles mailing list