[PSUBS-MAILIST] conical transitions
vbra676539 at aol.com
vbra676539 at aol.com
Tue Jan 7 09:28:30 EST 2014
That's the PC15 motor room section. It was cut precisely through the weld, and retains the 54" OD that it was built to.
Vance
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Joe,
There is a cone section for sale with a good picture on psubs . That will give you an idea of how it was done. I am not sure if the dia of the cone is still the dia of the hull. You could ask the seller how far back from the cylinder it was cut off.
Hank
On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 5:30:16 AM, Joe Perkel <josephperkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
David,
Is that T ring directly on the weld line, or offset any distance?
Joe
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Thanks gentlemen, for those informative responses.
I come away from this particular subject with a renewed perspective on my mission, which is a safe but fun boat for sport diving depths, day and night. So my mind remains open to various ideas. Hull transitions come into play in trying to shape the end product a bit more "boat like" while attempting to keep overall dimensions in check.
Thanks again!
Joe
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Joe,
A 36in hull dia will give you a 18in deep hemi. That seems plenty of room for your motor etc. I would go hemi and buy the kid a nice car. I am wiring my motor etc today and am sure happy to be sitting comfortably in the back of gamma with the larger dia hull.
Hank
On Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:04:13 AM, "vbra676539 at aol.com" <vbra676539 at aol.com> wrote:
Hmm. I have seen some bolted grain tanks and that sort of thing. I don't see why they couldn't do it the other way. Probably could, come to think of it. They handle big stuff so could probably do bolt patterns and surface machining as well. The problem for local shops would be to handle a structure that size, of course, and the tank fab people would be set up to do it already. I'll bet it isn't as expensive as you think. Maybe less than a used car, anyway, although it might not be much less, depending on the car. You'll learn to love bolted sections, though. Man does it make fit-out easier. Not to mention overhauls.
Vance
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Vance,
The cone in consideration is in fact a motor room, with a golf cart motor inside for better air cooling. Also a compressor to finish blowing down the large volume tanks once surfaced, ventilation, and dehumidification equipment all housed. Contemplating all this for a shallow water (250' operational), 36 OD, about 18 - 20' length overall.
Would the same tank fabricators give me internally flanged separating hull sections without sacrificing the kids first car?
Joe
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Joe,
Tank fabricators will do a cone with a pre-formed transition knuckle on order. It gives you a matched cylinder for your hull. The early Perry boats had that sort of thing, although they were fabricated in house and required a double weld (at the cylinder and between the knuckle and cone). Later, they stopped doing it. That would have added to the expense of fabricating a hull, and one supposes that the engineers figured out they didn't need it for the pressures in question. Everything they built was limited to the double-continental shelf standard (1200 feet or less) except for the 16's which required a whole 'nother thought process.
If Cliff Redus gets back online, you can ask him. The R300 has long conical section(s) aft of the crew compartment, and Cliff is an engineer, so you have to figure he's been all through this. One other variation at Perry comes to mind, which is the 1202. The diver lock out section was 54" and the pressure hull was the standard 48" PC-12 size. The DLO has two short 48" OD cylindrical sections welded to the elliptical heads of the DLO with mating flanges for the motor room and crew compartment interface(s). Sort of a step-down, step-up option.
The PC-18 class of DLO sub was an extension of that. They went to full length 54" OD hull for both compartments, ditched the motor room in favor of a pivoting 10hp thruster/rudder assembly aft, and got a shorter boat with roughly the same displacement overall. NOTE: Based on our experience, they also reduced the gas storage and battery pod length, effectively shortening mission endurance, but also shortening the boat about 7 feet and reducing crane weight by over 2 tons. Not a bad trade-off, and Intersub ran the hell out of the 18s, so it must have been a decent compromise. I have no experience with them, but the other pilots liked them a lot.
Vance
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