[PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma needs a diet

hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Sat May 17 19:17:12 EDT 2014


Jim,
What kind of numbers are we talking here. How much volume of foam per lb of buoyancy.
Hank
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On Sat, 5/17/14, via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma needs a diet
 To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
 Received: Saturday, May 17, 2014, 7:11 PM
 
 
 
  
  
 
 Hank,
 Greatest net buoyancy on your syntactic foam is
 achieved by mixing larger 
 spheres with smaller spheres so the smaller ones fit in the
 gaps between the 
 larger ones.
 Jim
  
 
 In a message dated 5/17/2014 6:04:36 P.M. Central
 Daylight Time, 
 personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes:
 Sean,
 Very interesting, I just googled glass microspheres and 
   this is very 
   doable.
 Hank
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 On Sat, 
   5/17/14, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles 
   <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: 
   [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma needs a diet
 To: "Personal Submersibles General 
   Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 Received: Saturday, May 
   17, 2014, 6:34 PM
 
 Hollow
 glass microspheres in a (typically) epoxy 
   matrix. The
 spheres are so small, they're more like a powder (for a
 deep 
   / dense foam. Shallower foams will incorporate larger
 spheres). Mix the 
   composite with the highest possible volume
 fraction of glass to 
   resin.
 Sean
 
 
 
 
 On May 17, 2014
 4:09:46 PM MDT, hank 
   pronk via Personal_Submersibles
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
   wrote:
 How is syntactic foam made.
   I once experimented with 
   3/4inch plastic water line (pex
 pipe), the stuff we plumb houses with now. 
   I heated the end
 of a piece and it melted shut nicely.  So I planned 
   to make
 a bunch of pipes with both ends melted shut then slide a
 bundle 
   of them inside a pvc pipe.  Then fill the void with
 poly urethane 
   molding resin.  It would be cheap and pretty
 tough.  Perhaps an 
   experiment is in order, unless there is a
 better idea out 
   there.
 Hank
 
 On Fri,
 5/16/14, Sean T. Stevenson via 
   Personal_Submersibles
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 Friday, May 16, 2014, 7:12 PM
   
   
   There's
 always the not-so-easy but
   very elegant solution 
   of
 syntactic
   foam filled hydrodynamic fairings.  
   Go
 bigger than you
   need to
 
 accommodate future expansion, 
   and compensate in the
 meantime
   with keel
   weight.  
   Would improve
 stability, too.
   
   Sean
   
   
   
   On
 2014-05-15 18:51, hank pronk via 
   Personal_Submersibles
 
 wrote:
   Alan,
   That would work 
   but
 I want to keep the sub clean on the
 
 outside.  Gamma is 
   very slippery the way it is.  I
   am confident I can shed the 
   weight.  I have been
 
 weighing all the bits and it looks 
   doable.  I am also
   looking at a winter project for 
   Gamma.  I would like
 to
   have the arm, and valve and a 
   couple of
 positioning 
   thrusters on a common chassis, 
   like
 the DW's.  I could
   reduce the weight of the
 lead 
   drop weight because the entire
   assembly would be
 the drop 
   weight.  That also solves
   the weight
 problem from the 
   batteries.  I would use the
   
 original drop weight screw to 
   drop the new assembly.
   Hank
 
   On Thu,
 5/15/14, Alan 
   James via Personal_Submersibles
   
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   Received: Thursday, May 
   15,
 2014, 8:17 PM
   
   Hank,a
   
   simple
 solution would be to just have a
   number of floats
 like 
   Alec's Snoopy.He
   has them in a tube, but
 if the floats 
   had
   attachment ho!
   les
   you 
   couldtether
  
 them & clip them on or off.Alan
   
   
  
       
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   May 16, 2014 12:04 
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    Subject:
   [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma needs a 
   diet
  
    
   Gamma or the pilot needs 
   to go to
 Jenny
   Craig.  My new
  
 AGM batteries 
   weigh 73 lbs each and Gamma has a
   60 to 65 lb
  
 weight 
   budget, per battery. That means Gamma
   needs to 
   shed
  
 some lbs before I can take a passenger.  I
   
   can switch
  
 to aluminum scuba tanks, not sure the 
   weight
   saving
  
 there.  I can make an aluminum 
   rudder and a
   few other
  
 parts also.
   
   Hank
 
  
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