[PSUBS-MAILIST] bow window

Sun Nov 2 14:43:29 EST 2014

Vance,
One down side to this idea is weight, a 37 inch di by 7in thick window is about 284 lbs.
Hank--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 11/2/14, Vance Bradley via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bow window
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 Received: Sunday, November 2, 2014, 2:36 PM

 Which
 viewport?

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 iPhone
 On Nov 2,
 2014, at 2:30 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
 <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:

 On
 this calc, the operating depth is 350 ft and the crush depth
 of the viewport is 2130 ft.

 Cliff
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 Operating 350
 feet. Test depth 500.

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 On Nov 2,
 2014, at 2:19 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
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 wrote:

 Is the design
 depth 350"?
 Cliff

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 Cliff,
 I'm thinking full hull diameter, 36" or
 thereabouts.Vance

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 On Nov 2,
 2014, at 2:02 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
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 One of my
 goals with the R500 was to cut cost and a big cost is the
 viewports. The upper portion of the pressure hull that has
 the viewports is 36" x 0.25 A516-70 pressure vessel
 steel. The design depth is 500 ft.   I like the optics of
 flat viewports so I have one 24" diameter x
 4" thick acrylic viewport and three smaller 12"
 viewports.     I ran the calcs using the PVHO flat
 viewport calculator that Jon Wallace implemented at the
  PSubs site.  I have access to abrasive water jet so I was
 thinking of jetting these out of off the shelf acrylic and
 then having a machine shop dress the edges and cut the
 chamfers. I would need to get the viewports annealed after
 final machining. I am hoping I can
  talk Gregg Cotrell into doing this for me as he is Dr.
 Acrylic. PVHO has detailed info on what the viewport
 housing seat needs to look like.
 So to me, I don't see any reason
 Vance you could not use large flat viewport on the bow. 
 You just have to do the PVHO calcs on the thickness and
 housing dimensions for your design depth.  You would need
 to design the housing to smoothly transition the stresses to
 the forward head and run an FEA to confirm stresses in the
 viewport and housing.  I don't know what size you were
 thinking about or the design depth but it would need be
 thick.
 Cliff

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 Lets wait and see what the engineers think. 
 Cliff is going with a flat port on the R500 I believe.
 Hank
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  That's my
  kind of madness.
  Vance

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  Vance,
  That is a question for the engineers of
 coarse.  I look at
  it like the hull is a

  big conning tower.  Just look how
  Gamma's CT is built,
  instead of a
 hatch it is 
  a flat port.  I know I may be
 over
  simplifying it.  The
  engineers are 
 probably 
  thinking I am mad but.....  
  Hank

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 AM

   Hank,
   It's not crazy at all. I just
 hadn't
   thought of it. I wonder if the
 stresses
  imposed at test
   depth would be too high
 for the 1/4" hull the thing
   would be
 welded to. It's an interesting thought,

 though.
   Something to consider,
 definitely.

   Vance

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 Vance,
   Have you looked at a large full
 size flat port for the
  front
   of your K350.  I 
   did
 that with one of my early subs.  I had a 24 inch flat
   port 4 inches thick 
   with
 a 24 inch protection dome.  The optics were stunning,
   nobody believed it 
   was 4
 inches thick.  I checked with
  Reynolds Polymer and a
  7
   inch thick 37inch 
   square
 unpolished piece is 3,000 dollars US.  Is that just
   crazy talk or what. 

 Hank

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