[PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge

Fri Sep 5 17:08:59 EDT 2014

Or just see what it would cost to purchase a used barge of adequate 
size.  Military surplus might be feasible.

On 9/5/2014 4:57 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote:
> From a practical point of view, if we did build a PSub Launch barge, 
> it would have to be fairly simple and follow the KISS principle to get 
> it of the drawing board and built by a committee.  I for one don't 
> have the time to design a self powered ship.  I am thinking a larger 
> version of a typical pontoon boat that could be towed by the Boston 
> Whaler.  We would need someone like Jon to be able to set up something 
> like a dropbox account that anyone could populate with files, drawing, 
> sketches, CAD files  etc.  We would have to collectively establish the 
> overall capability of the barge ( how many psubs, maximum weight of 
> psubs, wench/davit system for launch and retrieval, auxiliary systems 
> such as lights). Someone that has a 3-D cad program like Inventor 
> or Solidworks would have to agree to take sketches and ideas folks 
> come up with and build out 3-D model that we could collectively 
> critique and make suggested changes to.  Someone would need to do the 
> basic stability calcs with loaded or partially loaded deck.  Some one 
> would need to do some research on launch and retrieval systems, such 
> as davits  or winches and bring forward a couple of recommendations.  
> Someone that is a welder (like Dan Lance) would need to review the 
> construction drawing to make sure welding plan is workable.  Someone 
> would have to figure out where you would store the barge when not in 
> use. Some one would need to figure out a coating plan for the barge.  
> Someone would have to take on looking at what regulations we would 
> need to meet to use this in the Florida Keys.  Someone would have to 
> do a material takeoff off construction drawings and figure out the 
> cost to build and establish a budget.  If we did build a psub barge, 
> we would need to pole the group and see how many would be willing to 
> split the cost to fabricate based on the estimated cost.  We would 
> need someone to agree to fabricate the weldments and assembly.  We 
> would need to figure out where to build it and what it would cost to 
> transport it the Keys.  We would have to figure out how to register 
> such a barge. Would Psubs own the barge or would it make since for 
> Doug to own?  Are there any legal liabilities of having such a barge 
> and if so who would be liable?  We would need someone that is not 
> currently building a psub to agree to be the Barge Bulldog!
>
> Or if someone would agree to do all the above, maybe we just pass the 
> hat and let them do it.
>
> Cliff
>
> *From:* Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles 
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion 
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> *Sent:* Friday, September 5, 2014 3:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Conference 2015
>
> What a rig Brian, and a decomp chamber to boot!
>
> I like the idea of a group-designed and group-built support ship, my 
> only concern being the logistics of coordinating a project of that 
> magnitude. I'm sure it could be done well given the proper leadership 
> and organization though, especially considering the diverse skillset 
> we would share as a team from designing to fabrication. And I don't 
> think anyone would complain about the benefits of a support barge.
>
> Thanks for your go-between work Steve. I must admit I was rather 
> unaware of the ISR event until "snooping" through some of Alec's 
> videos. I'm quite intrigued and may well attend this coming year's 
> event regardless of what is decided as a group. Is attendance open to 
> the general public? ~ Douglas S.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Steve McQueen via 
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
> <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>
>     The initial feedback from the International Submarine Races (ISR)
>     seems positive to allowing us to piggy back our conference on
>     their event. Their event in 2015 is June 22-26.
>
>     However based on the comments in this thread it seems members
>     prefer Florida (OK w/me).  Therefore I don't want them to go too
>     far up their chain of command if we know it isn't likely we will
>     go that route.
>
>     I can of course work it for 2017 (their next event) if desired.
>
>     Steve
>
>
>     On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 4:19 PM, via Personal_Submersibles
>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>     <mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org>> wrote:
>
>         Hey guys,
>         Wanted to give everyone a update on the next psubs convention.
>         At this years conference in Vancouver / Washington we had a
>         discussion of where everyone wanted to go. The following is in
>         order what we came up with
>         First choice) Woods Hole, Massachusetts (See Alvin and Deep
>         sea challenger)
>         Scond choice) Manned power submarine races (Our biggest
>         potential for new members)
>         Third choice) Florida Keys (Dive on the USS Vandenburg)
>         Dan Lance and Steve McQueen are helping to figure out if the
>         first two choices would work. More info about next years
>         conference will come out soon.
>         Thanks,
>         Scott Waters
>
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