[PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge

Fri Sep 5 19:23:11 EDT 2014

Cliff,
If you go to my projects on Psubs my 48in sphere sub is sitting on my barge.
Hank
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On Fri, 9/5/14, Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
 To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 7:11 PM

 Hank, can you send a
 picture?

 Cliff R

 >
 On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:56 PM, hank pronk via
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:
 > 
 > I built my
 barge for under 1,000 dollars plus the crane, witch I had
 laying around. 
 > Hank
 >
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 > On Fri, 9/5/14, Brian Cox via
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:
 > 
 > Subject:
 Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
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 > Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 6:26
 PM
 > 
 > Sounds like a
 lot of $$$
 > dollar signs ! I wonder if
 the subs
 > were partially in the water if
 it might make the barge more
 > stable.
 Brian
 > 
 > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
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 > From:
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 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:02:58
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 > 
 > Or even
 > if we could just find a couple of nice,
 big aluminum tubes
 > or fiberglass hulls
 to work with, that would give us a major
 > head start on designing the rest of the
 system. 
 > Before we do anything else
 though, I
 > think we should consider
 weights and sizes. Do we want to be
 >
 able to handle two subs at once, or just one? Or maybe an
 > option of one large sub (5000lbs.) or two
 small subs
 > (2500lbs. each)? A sub is a
 fairly dense item so trying to
 > handle
 two subs at once may present issues with stability
 > (i.e. after the first sub has launched and
 the second sub is
 > on one end of the
 barge, thrown in with a mix of wave
 >
 action... yikes! Launching two subs simultaneously is a
 > possible solution but would present its
 own challenges and
 > dangers). 
 > I'd
 > love to say
 we'll just build it bigger, but I think
 > it's important to keep this project
 reasonable and road
 > trailerable (even
 if in stages) behind regular tow vehicles
 > (and not tractor trailers). 
 > Perhaps limiting ourselves to a
 > single-vessel barge would be best (and
 would conform to the
 > KISS guidelines),
 but it would sure be nice to have a
 >
 two-vessel capability to get the most bang for our buck
 in
 > terms of diving per ocean trip.
 Opinions?
 >  
 > 
 > On
 > Fri, Sep 5, 2014
 at 5:42 PM, Cliff Redus via
 >
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 > wrote:
 > That would
 be
 > easier.  Maybe we should all be on
 the lookout for used
 > barge that we
 could do a make over on.
 > 
 > 
 > Cliff
 > 
 > 
 >  From: "swaters at waters-ks.com
 > via Personal_Submersibles"
 >  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 >  To: Personal
 >
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 > 5, 2014 4:38 PM
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 > Is there any
 > kind of used boat we could buy and
 modify
 > it?Thanks,Scott Waters
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 > From a
 practical point of
 >  view, if we did
 build a PSub Launch barge, it would have to
 > be fairly simple and follow the KISS
 principle to get it of
 > the drawing
 board and built by a committee.  I for one
 > don't have the time to design a self
 powered ship.  I
 > am thinking a larger
 version of a typical pontoon boat that
 >
 could be towed by the Boston Whaler.  We would need
 someone
 > like Jon to be able to set up
 something like a dropbox
 > account that
 anyone could populate with files, drawing,
 > sketches, CAD files  etc.  We would have
 to collectively
 > establish the overall
 capability of the barge ( how many
 >
 psubs, maximum weight of psubs, wench/davit system for
 > launch and retrieval, auxiliary systems
 such as lights). 
 > Someone that has a
 3-D cad program like Inventor or
 >
 Solidworks would have to agree to take sketches and ideas
 > folks come up with and build out 3-D model
 that we could
 > collectively critique and
 make suggested changes to. 
 > Someone
 would need to do
 >  the basic
 >  stability calcs with loaded or
 > partially loaded deck.  Some one would
 need to do some
 > research on launch and
 retrieval systems, such as davits 
 > or
 winches and bring forward a couple of recommendations. 
 > Someone that is a welder (like Dan Lance)
 would need to
 > review the construction
 drawing to make sure welding plan is
 >
 workable.  Someone would have to figure out where you
 would
 > store the barge when not in
 use.  Some one would need to
 > figure
 out a coating plan for the barge.  Someone would
 > have to take on looking at what
 regulations we would need to
 > meet to
 use this in the Florida Keys.  Someone would have
 > to do a material takeoff off construction
 drawings and
 > figure out the cost to
 build and establish a budget.  If we
 >
 did build a psub barge, we would need to pole the group
 and
 > see how many would be willing to
 split the cost to fabricate
 > based on
 the estimated cost.  We would need someone to
 > agree
 >  to fabricate
 the weldments and assembly.  We would need
 > to
 >  figure out where
 to build it and what it
 > would cost to
 transport it the Keys.  We would have to
 > figure out how to register such a barge.
 Would Psubs own the
 > barge or would it
 make since for Doug to own?  Are there
 >
 any legal liabilities of having such a barge and if so
 who
 > would be liable?  We would need
 someone that is not
 > currently building
 a psub to agree to be the Barge
 >
 Bulldog!
 > 
 > Or if
 someone
 > would agree to do all the
 above, maybe we just pass the hat
 > and
 let them do it.
 > 
 >
 Cliff
 > 
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 > 
 > What a rig
 Brian, and a decomp
 > chamber to
 >  boot! 
 > I like the
 idea of a group-designed
 > and
 group-built support ship, my only concern being the
 > logistics of coordinating a project of
 that magnitude.
 > I'm sure it could
 be done well given the proper
 >
 leadership and organization though, especially
 considering
 > the diverse skillset we
 would share as a team from designing
 > to
 fabrication. And I don't think anyone would complain
 > about the benefits of a support barge. 
 > 
 > 
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