[PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge

Fri Sep 5 20:00:26 EDT 2014

Cliff, on the PSUBS website, go to the main "projects and photos" page.
Then change "submersible" to "submitter" in the drop down list. Find Hank's
name and navigate to his album list. Then click on the album named "last
sphere sub 48in dia." There you will find the photo of Hank's barge.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

>  Hank, when I look at the Psub project site and look at your Gamma
> Restoration project I don't see the barge you are referring to.  What am I
> missing?
>
> Cliff
>
>
>    *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 5, 2014 6:23 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
>
> Cliff,
> If you go to my projects on Psubs my 48in sphere sub is sitting on my
> barge.
> Hank
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 9/5/14, Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 7:11 PM
>
> Hank, can you send a
> picture?
>
>
> Cliff R
>
> >
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:56 PM, hank pronk via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I built my
> barge for under 1,000 dollars plus the crane, witch I had
> laying around.
> > Hank
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Fri, 9/5/14, Brian Cox via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
> > To:
> "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> > Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 6:26
> PM
> >
> > Sounds like a
> lot of $$$
> > dollar signs ! I wonder if
> the subs
> > were partially in the water if
> it might make the barge more
> > stable.
> Brian
> >
> > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> wrote:
> >
> > From:
> Douglas Suhr via
> >
> Personal_Submersibles
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> > To:
> > Personal
> Submersibles General Discussion
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs
> Barge
> > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:02:58
> -0400
> >
> > Or even
> > if we could just find a couple of nice,
> big aluminum tubes
> > or fiberglass hulls
> to work with, that would give us a major
> > head start on designing the rest of the
> system.
> > Before we do anything else
> though, I
> > think we should consider
> weights and sizes. Do we want to be
> >
> able to handle two subs at once, or just one? Or maybe an
> > option of one large sub (5000lbs.) or two
> small subs
> > (2500lbs. each)? A sub is a
> fairly dense item so trying to
> > handle
> two subs at once may present issues with stability
> > (i.e. after the first sub has launched and
> the second sub is
> > on one end of the
> barge, thrown in with a mix of wave
> >
> action... yikes! Launching two subs simultaneously is a
> > possible solution but would present its
> own challenges and
> > dangers).
> > I'd
> > love to say
> we'll just build it bigger, but I think
> > it's important to keep this project
> reasonable and road
> > trailerable (even
> if in stages) behind regular tow vehicles
> > (and not tractor trailers).
> > Perhaps limiting ourselves to a
> > single-vessel barge would be best (and
> would conform to the
> > KISS guidelines),
> but it would sure be nice to have a
> >
> two-vessel capability to get the most bang for our buck
> in
> > terms of diving per ocean trip.
> Opinions?
> >
> >
> > On
> > Fri, Sep 5, 2014
> at 5:42 PM, Cliff Redus via
> >
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> > wrote:
> > That would
> be
> > easier.  Maybe we should all be on
> the lookout for used
> > barge that we
> could do a make over on.
> >
> >
> > Cliff
> >
> >
> >  From: "swaters at waters-ks.com
> > via Personal_Submersibles"
> >  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >  To: Personal
> >
> Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> >
> >  Sent: Friday,
> September
> > 5, 2014 4:38 PM
> >  Subject: Re:
> >
> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
> >
> >
> > Is there any
> > kind of used boat we could buy and
> modify
> > it?Thanks,Scott Waters
> >
> > Sent from my
> > U.S. Cellular® Smartphone
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> > -------- Original
> message
> > --------
> >
> From: Cliff Redus via
> >
> Personal_Submersibles
> >
> Date:09/05/2014
> > 3:57 PM  (GMT-06:00)
>
> > To: Personal
> >
> Submersibles General Discussion
> >
> Subject:
> > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs
> Barge
> >
> > From a
> practical point of
> >  view, if we did
> build a PSub Launch barge, it would have to
> > be fairly simple and follow the KISS
> principle to get it of
> > the drawing
> board and built by a committee.  I for one
> > don't have the time to design a self
> powered ship.  I
> > am thinking a larger
> version of a typical pontoon boat that
> >
> could be towed by the Boston Whaler.  We would need
> someone
> > like Jon to be able to set up
> something like a dropbox
> > account that
> anyone could populate with files, drawing,
> > sketches, CAD files  etc.  We would have
> to collectively
> > establish the overall
> capability of the barge ( how many
> >
> psubs, maximum weight of psubs, wench/davit system for
> > launch and retrieval, auxiliary systems
> such as lights).
> > Someone that has a
> 3-D cad program like Inventor or
> >
> Solidworks would have to agree to take sketches and ideas
> > folks come up with and build out 3-D model
> that we could
> > collectively critique and
> make suggested changes to.
> > Someone
> would need to do
> >  the basic
> >  stability calcs with loaded or
> > partially loaded deck.  Some one would
> need to do some
> > research on launch and
> retrieval systems, such as davits
> > or
> winches and bring forward a couple of recommendations.
> > Someone that is a welder (like Dan Lance)
> would need to
> > review the construction
> drawing to make sure welding plan is
> >
> workable.  Someone would have to figure out where you
> would
> > store the barge when not in
> use.  Some one would need to
> > figure
> out a coating plan for the barge.  Someone would
> > have to take on looking at what
> regulations we would need to
> > meet to
> use this in the Florida Keys.  Someone would have
> > to do a material takeoff off construction
> drawings and
> > figure out the cost to
> build and establish a budget.  If we
> >
> did build a psub barge, we would need to pole the group
> and
> > see how many would be willing to
> split the cost to fabricate
> > based on
> the estimated cost.  We would need someone to
> > agree
> >  to fabricate
> the weldments and assembly.  We would need
> > to
> >  figure out where
> to build it and what it
> > would cost to
> transport it the Keys.  We would have to
> > figure out how to register such a barge.
> Would Psubs own the
> > barge or would it
> make since for Doug to own?  Are there
> >
> any legal liabilities of having such a barge and if so
> who
> > would be liable?  We would need
> someone that is not
> > currently building
> a psub to agree to be the Barge
> >
> Bulldog!
> >
> > Or if
> someone
> > would agree to do all the
> above, maybe we just pass the hat
> > and
> let them do it.
> >
> >
> Cliff
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Douglas Suhr via
> Personal_Submersibles
> > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> > To: Personal Submersibles General
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> > Sent: Friday,
> September 5, 2014 3:13 PM
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> >
>
> >
> > What a rig
> Brian, and a decomp
> > chamber to
> >  boot!
> > I like the
> idea of a group-designed
> > and
> group-built support ship, my only concern being the
> > logistics of coordinating a project of
> that magnitude.
> > I'm sure it could
> be done well given the proper
> >
> leadership and organization though, especially
> considering
> > the diverse skillset we
> would share as a team from designing
> > to
> fabrication. And I don't think anyone would complain
> > about the benefits of a support barge.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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