[PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge

Fri Sep 5 20:31:27 EDT 2014

Alec,
I have to agree with Alan, barges are a big deal to store etc.  I am lucky to have stuff around to work with, one mans junk is another mans treasure :-)
Hank--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/5/14, Private via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Barge
 To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 8:12 PM

 That is outrageously
 good, and the cost is crazy low for the result. Plus, I love
 the small items you just happen to have lying around in the
 parts bin. 

 Hank, we should
 all just buy it off you for two grand so you double your
 investment, and we'd still be getting it for a small
 fraction of what it would cost new.

 Best,

 Alec

 > On Sep 5, 2014, at 6:56
 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:
 > 
 > I built my
 barge for under 1,000 dollars plus the crane, witch I had
 laying around. 
 > Hank
 >
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 > On Fri, 9/5/14, Brian Cox via
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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 > 
 > Subject:
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 > Received: Friday, September 5, 2014, 6:26
 PM
 > 
 > Sounds like a
 lot of $$$
 > dollar signs ! I wonder if
 the subs
 > were partially in the water if
 it might make the barge more
 > stable.
 Brian
 > 
 > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
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 > 
 > From:
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 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:02:58
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 > 
 > Or even
 > if we could just find a couple of nice,
 big aluminum tubes
 > or fiberglass hulls
 to work with, that would give us a major
 > head start on designing the rest of the
 system. 
 > Before we do anything else
 though, I
 > think we should consider
 weights and sizes. Do we want to be
 >
 able to handle two subs at once, or just one? Or maybe an
 > option of one large sub (5000lbs.) or two
 small subs
 > (2500lbs. each)? A sub is a
 fairly dense item so trying to
 > handle
 two subs at once may present issues with stability
 > (i.e. after the first sub has launched and
 the second sub is
 > on one end of the
 barge, thrown in with a mix of wave
 >
 action... yikes! Launching two subs simultaneously is a
 > possible solution but would present its
 own challenges and
 > dangers). 
 > I'd
 > love to say
 we'll just build it bigger, but I think
 > it's important to keep this project
 reasonable and road
 > trailerable (even
 if in stages) behind regular tow vehicles
 > (and not tractor trailers). 
 > Perhaps limiting ourselves to a
 > single-vessel barge would be best (and
 would conform to the
 > KISS guidelines),
 but it would sure be nice to have a
 >
 two-vessel capability to get the most bang for our buck
 in
 > terms of diving per ocean trip.
 Opinions?
 >  
 > 
 > On
 > Fri, Sep 5, 2014
 at 5:42 PM, Cliff Redus via
 >
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 > wrote:
 > That would
 be
 > easier.  Maybe we should all be on
 the lookout for used
 > barge that we
 could do a make over on.
 > 
 > 
 > Cliff
 > 
 > 
 >  From: "swaters at waters-ks.com
 > via Personal_Submersibles"
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 > Is there any
 > kind of used boat we could buy and
 modify
 > it?Thanks,Scott Waters
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 > From a
 practical point of
 >  view, if we did
 build a PSub Launch barge, it would have to
 > be fairly simple and follow the KISS
 principle to get it of
 > the drawing
 board and built by a committee.  I for one
 > don't have the time to design a self
 powered ship.  I
 > am thinking a larger
 version of a typical pontoon boat that
 >
 could be towed by the Boston Whaler.  We would need
 someone
 > like Jon to be able to set up
 something like a dropbox
 > account that
 anyone could populate with files, drawing,
 > sketches, CAD files  etc.  We would have
 to collectively
 > establish the overall
 capability of the barge ( how many
 >
 psubs, maximum weight of psubs, wench/davit system for
 > launch and retrieval, auxiliary systems
 such as lights). 
 > Someone that has a
 3-D cad program like Inventor or
 >
 Solidworks would have to agree to take sketches and ideas
 > folks come up with and build out 3-D model
 that we could
 > collectively critique and
 make suggested changes to. 
 > Someone
 would need to do
 >  the basic
 >  stability calcs with loaded or
 > partially loaded deck.  Some one would
 need to do some
 > research on launch and
 retrieval systems, such as davits 
 > or
 winches and bring forward a couple of recommendations. 
 > Someone that is a welder (like Dan Lance)
 would need to
 > review the construction
 drawing to make sure welding plan is
 >
 workable.  Someone would have to figure out where you
 would
 > store the barge when not in
 use.  Some one would need to
 > figure
 out a coating plan for the barge.  Someone would
 > have to take on looking at what
 regulations we would need to
 > meet to
 use this in the Florida Keys.  Someone would have
 > to do a material takeoff off construction
 drawings and
 > figure out the cost to
 build and establish a budget.  If we
 >
 did build a psub barge, we would need to pole the group
 and
 > see how many would be willing to
 split the cost to fabricate
 > based on
 the estimated cost.  We would need someone to
 > agree
 >  to fabricate
 the weldments and assembly.  We would need
 > to
 >  figure out where
 to build it and what it
 > would cost to
 transport it the Keys.  We would have to
 > figure out how to register such a barge.
 Would Psubs own the
 > barge or would it
 make since for Doug to own?  Are there
 >
 any legal liabilities of having such a barge and if so
 who
 > would be liable?  We would need
 someone that is not
 > currently building
 a psub to agree to be the Barge
 >
 Bulldog!
 > 
 > Or if
 someone
 > would agree to do all the
 above, maybe we just pass the hat
 > and
 let them do it.
 > 
 >
 Cliff
 > 
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 > 
 > What a rig
 Brian, and a decomp
 > chamber to
 >  boot! 
 > I like the
 idea of a group-designed
 > and
 group-built support ship, my only concern being the
 > logistics of coordinating a project of
 that magnitude.
 > I'm sure it could
 be done well given the proper
 >
 leadership and organization though, especially
 considering
 > the diverse skillset we
 would share as a team from designing
 > to
 fabrication. And I don't think anyone would complain
 > about the benefits of a support barge. 
 > 
 > 
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