[PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 15, Issue 50
roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles
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Fri Sep 19 01:36:18 EDT 2014
Not sure on how use this mailing list, i have a question about the seals on
the k250 design,i mean the seals on the motors shaft
2014-09-18 17:27 GMT-07:00 via Personal_Submersibles <
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> 3. Thruster Horsepower (Alan via Personal_Submersibles)
> 4. Gamma for sale (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles)
> 5. Thruster Horse Power (Alan via Personal_Submersibles)
> 6. Re: Gamma for sale (Alan via Personal_Submersibles)
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> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:18:29 -0700
> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] annealing
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> Brian,
> All I can say is , VERY COOL! You should send me one and I will test it
> for you.
> Hank
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 9/15/14, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] annealing
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
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> Received: Monday, September 15, 2014, 9:51 PM
>
> It would not be a very impressive
> picture.? An old electric oven I got out of a oven junk
> yard.? I did actually get the controller and thermostat
> but I'm just doing it manually this time around.? I did
> however purchase 4 digital temperature sensors that I've
> placed at various locations, one in an identical acrylic
> disk like the ones I'm annealing, one in the middle, one at
> the top and one in another block of acrylic.? I'm able
> to control the temperature extremely well, earlier I
> calibrated the oven with my heat source.? Rather than
> rely on an on off thermostat controlling an electric heating
> element, what I'm doing is running a heating element
> controlled by a rheostat ( one of the top burners).?
> That way the burner is always on, but delivering a specific
> amount of heat depending on how high I turn the rheostat up
> or down.? So what happens is the oven loses heat at a
> fairly constant rate, wherever I set the dial the oven will
> stay at that temperature.? As long as there is no !
> radical fluctuation of the room temperature the oven temp
> will be very even, so far it's worked out really well.
>
> The book has a number of different scenarios and
> recommendations for times and temperatures.? The main
> thing is the hold temps and a very gradual ramping.
>
> Brian
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> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] annealing
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:23:44 +0700
>
> Is that with the kiln controller off ebay Brian?
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On 16/09/2014, at 7:10 am, hank pronk via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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> > Brian,
> > That sounds very promising, how about a picture of your
> oven set up.
> > Hank
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 9/15/14, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles
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> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] annealing
> > To: "PSubs" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> > Received: Monday, September 15, 2014, 1:01 PM
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> > Annealing going really well
> > !? ? Holding steady at 285
> > F Brian
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> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 21:21:24 -0700
> From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles
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> I could send you one, they are 6" in Dia X 1 1/2" thick
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> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] annealing
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:18:29 -0700
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> Brian,
> All I can say is , VERY COOL! You should send me one and I will test it
> for you.
> Hank
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 9/15/14, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] annealing
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Received: Monday, September 15, 2014, 9:51 PM
>
> It would not be a very impressive
> picture.? An old electric oven I got out of a oven junk
> yard.? I did actually get the controller and thermostat
> but I'm just doing it manually this time around.? I did
> however purchase 4 digital temperature sensors that I've
> placed at various locations, one in an identical acrylic
> disk like the ones I'm annealing, one in the middle, one at
> the top and one in another block of acrylic.? I'm able
> to control the temperature extremely well, earlier I
> calibrated the oven with my heat source.? Rather than
> rely on an on off thermostat controlling an electric heating
> element, what I'm doing is running a heating element
> controlled by a rheostat ( one of the top burners).?
> That way the burner is always on, but delivering a specific
> amount of heat depending on how high I turn the rheostat up
> or down.? So what happens is the oven loses heat at a
> fairly constant rate, wherever I set the dial the oven will
> stay at that temperature.? As long as there is no !
> radical fluctuation of the room temperature the oven temp
> will be very even, so far it's worked out really well.
>
> The book has a number of different scenarios and
> recommendations for times and temperatures.? The main
> thing is the hold temps and a very gradual ramping.
>
> Brian
>
> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> wrote:
>
> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] annealing
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:23:44 +0700
>
> Is that with the kiln controller off ebay Brian?
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 16/09/2014, at 7:10 am, hank pronk via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> > That sounds very promising, how about a picture of your
> oven set up.
> > Hank
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Mon, 9/15/14, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] annealing
> > To: "PSubs" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> > Received: Monday, September 15, 2014, 1:01 PM
> >
> > Annealing going really well
> > !? ? Holding steady at 285
> > F Brian
> >
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
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> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:31:01 +0700
> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Thruster Horsepower
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> Mainly for Vance,
> Vance I think off the top of your head you came up with a figure of about
> 1 hp of
> combined horizontal thrust for every ton of submarine, as a ballpark
> figure for
> a lot of the subs you are familiar with. Is that correct or can anyone
> else remember that?
> Also what was the Deep Workers new thruster rating thanks.
> Alan
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> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:31:15 -0700
> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma for sale
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> To anyone interested, I am considering selling Gamma. Please contact me
> at hankpronk at live.ca if interested for details.
> Hank
>
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> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 06:57:02 +0700
> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Thruster Horse Power
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> I'm sending this again.
> Apologies if it came through previously, but yahoo is telling me
> it has "no content" & no one replied.
> Mainly for Vance,
> Vance I think off the top of your head you came up with a figure of about
> 1 hp of
> combined horizontal thrust for every ton of submarine, as a ballpark
> figure for
> a lot of the subs you are familiar with. Is that correct or can anyone
> else remember that?
> Also what was the Deep Workers new thruster rating thanks.
> Alan
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 07:00:56 +0700
> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma for sale
> Message-ID: <0013B288-B05F-4831-83C1-0A25C64B0DDB at yahoo.com>
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> That's sad Hank,
> the two of you were only together for a short while.
> I thought you were after camera's for her the other day!
> Alan
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On 19/09/2014, at 6:31 am, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> > To anyone interested, I am considering selling Gamma. Please contact me
> at hankpronk at live.ca if interested for details.
> > Hank
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:09:44 -0700
> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma for sale
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> I want a sub with a bow dome, and I don't want to mess with changing
> Gamma. If there is no buyers then I will install cameras. I have one
> video camera on the way to start testing.
> Hank--------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 9/18/14, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma for sale
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
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> Received: Thursday, September 18, 2014, 8:00 PM
>
> That's sad Hank,
> the two of you were only together for a short
> while.
> I thought you were after camera's
> for her the other day!
> Alan
>
>
> Sent from my
> iPad
>
> > On 19/09/2014, at
> 6:31 am, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > To anyone
> interested, I am considering selling Gamma.? Please contact
> me at hankpronk at live.ca?
> if interested for details.
> > Hank
> >
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> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 20:27:42 -0400
> From: Vance Bradley via Personal_Submersibles
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Thruster Horse Power
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> Alan,
> Loosely speaking that would be about correct. Limited to older prop
> designs perhaps. Back in the day, Perry ran a 7.5 hp motor in pc-5, PC-8
> and ps-2, all of which ran to 6-tons(ish) in launch trim. The PC-9 weighed
> 12-tons or better and started life with the same drive package. It wasn't
> enough so when we retro-fitted her we went with (I think) 15, which was
> overkill. Then Intersub opted for what became the PC-1201 and her sisters.
> Based on the experience with the others and the PC-15 (which had two 10 hp
> units chained and clutched together driving through a reduction gear) they
> settled in for the standard which was 10hp. All of them drove big props
> through reduction gears and that drive complete weighed about 900 pounds
> and produced nearly that much of a bollard pull. The 18s used a different
> motor with no reduction gear but were also 10 hp. Phil Nuytten talks
> horsepower rather than pounds of thrust. The Newt-screws are variable
> depending on input voltage, as I understand !
> it. Running 5-hp at 240 volts for instance means you could use two of
> those to replace the big Perry unit and save about 700 pounds of payload
> with roughly the same thrust output.
> Vance
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sending this again.
> > Apologies if it came through previously, but yahoo is telling me
> > it has "no content" & no one replied.
> > Mainly for Vance,
> > Vance I think off the top of your head you came up with a figure of
> about 1 hp of
> > combined horizontal thrust for every ton of submarine, as a ballpark
> figure for
> > a lot of the subs you are familiar with. Is that correct or can anyone
> else remember that?
> > Also what was the Deep Workers new thruster rating thanks.
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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