From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 1 11:45:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:45:02 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Chamber Message-ID: Hi All, Unfortunately my idea of using the old hyperbaric chamber here is scuppered. They said I can have it, but in order to get it out of the building, the roof has to come off. They had a quote for ?20K for that. So its being chopped up to get it out. Its a real shame but i can get a new hull rolled for less than having it removed. Oh well. I am going up next week to see if are any bits i can have from it. Back to the drawing board. Kind Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 1 12:28:58 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:28:58 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Chamber Message-ID: <7k7oct5nyrub5dodpi9hx28l.1427905738348@email.android.com> James, Can you cut it up and reweld it? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/01/2015 10:45 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Cc: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Chamber Hi All, Unfortunately my idea of using the old hyperbaric chamber here is scuppered. They said I can have it, but in order to get it out of the building, the roof has to come off. They had a quote for ?20K for that. So its being chopped up to get it out. Its a real shame but i can get a new hull rolled for less than having it removed. Oh well. I am going up next week to see if are any bits i can have from it. Back to the drawing board. Kind Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 1 14:02:46 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine In-Reply-To: <513084207.24840873.1427911172809.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <563764303.24845078.1427911366996.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> ? Don't know if anyone else has been following this or not, but very interesting and worth a look.? Since it is a joint university project, I wonder if there is a way to get their plans and specs.....? And I like how they are using a Sony Play Station game controller to maneuver it.... ? http://www.washington.edu/news/blog/uw-and-local-company-unveil-new-five-person-submarine/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 1 20:58:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 17:58:00 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine Message-ID: <1427936280.47090.YahooMailBasic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> What K350 is in the background at 3:44 On Wed, 4/1/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine To: "submersibles, personal" Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 1:02 PM ?Don't know if anyone else has been following this or not, but very interesting and worth a look.? Since it is a joint university project, I wonder if there is a way to get their plans and specs.....? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 1 22:43:40 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 15:43:40 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search In-Reply-To: <300908153.4098079.1427940037139.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <300908153.4098079.1427940037139.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <551caced.e93e420a.40e6.ffffa972@mx.google.com> Have to pay your sub. J From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2015 3:01 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search Am trying to search for something in the email archives but keep getting "Forbidden". Is that just for me or everyone else? Was looking particularly for the quote by a National Geographic (I think) person who rated the experience of piloting the Curasub as better than climbing Everest. Alan __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11413 (20150401) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 1 22:51:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:51:48 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Convention 2015 Message-ID: <003901d06cef$f6e5c020$e4b14060$@telus.net> Who is currently planning to attend the Psubs convention this June? Please let us know your plans, vague or otherwise. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 2 00:18:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 04:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search In-Reply-To: <551caced.e93e420a.40e6.ffffa972@mx.google.com> References: <551caced.e93e420a.40e6.ffffa972@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1552787481.4187345.1427948283961.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> OK that could be the problem thanks.Didn't get 5 warnings that it was about to expire.Alan From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search #yiv1770893059 #yiv1770893059 -- _filtered #yiv1770893059 {font-family:Wingdings;panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} _filtered #yiv1770893059 {font-family:Wingdings;panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} _filtered #yiv1770893059 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1770893059 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1770893059 {font-family:helveticaneue;}#yiv1770893059 #yiv1770893059 p.yiv1770893059MsoNormal, #yiv1770893059 li.yiv1770893059MsoNormal, #yiv1770893059 div.yiv1770893059MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv1770893059 a:link, #yiv1770893059 span.yiv1770893059MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1770893059 a:visited, #yiv1770893059 span.yiv1770893059MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1770893059 span.yiv1770893059EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv1770893059 .yiv1770893059MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv1770893059 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv1770893059 div.yiv1770893059WordSection1 {}#yiv1770893059 Have to pay your sub.? 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From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2015 3:01 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search ?Am trying to search for something in the emailarchives but keep getting "Forbidden".Is that just for me or everyone else?Was looking particularly for the quote by a National Geographic(I think) person who rated the experience of piloting the Curasubas better than climbing Everest.Alan __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11413 (20150401) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11413 (20150401) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 2 00:33:17 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 17:33:17 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search In-Reply-To: <1552787481.4187345.1427948283961.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <551caced.e93e420a.40e6.ffffa972@mx.google.com> <1552787481.4187345.1427948283961.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <551cc69e.4515460a.54cf.ffffb6b8@mx.google.com> I was only joking with a pun. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2015 5:18 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search OK that could be the problem thanks. Didn't get 5 warnings that it was about to expire. Alan _____ From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search Have to pay your sub. J From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2015 3:01 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search Am trying to search for something in the email archives but keep getting "Forbidden". Is that just for me or everyone else? Was looking particularly for the quote by a National Geographic (I think) person who rated the experience of piloting the Curasub as better than climbing Everest. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 2 04:39:34 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 08:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search In-Reply-To: <551cc69e.4515460a.54cf.ffffb6b8@mx.google.com> References: <551cc69e.4515460a.54cf.ffffb6b8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1401901933.4214463.1427963974052.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Noted the pun, but it might be correct.Jon may be able to shed some light.Alan From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search #yiv7619332875 #yiv7619332875 -- _filtered #yiv7619332875 {font-family:Wingdings;panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} _filtered #yiv7619332875 {font-family:Wingdings;panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} _filtered #yiv7619332875 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7619332875 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7619332875 {font-family:helveticaneue;}#yiv7619332875 #yiv7619332875 p.yiv7619332875MsoNormal, #yiv7619332875 li.yiv7619332875MsoNormal, #yiv7619332875 div.yiv7619332875MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv7619332875 a:link, #yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7619332875 a:visited, #yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7619332875 p.yiv7619332875MsoAcetate, #yiv7619332875 li.yiv7619332875MsoAcetate, #yiv7619332875 div.yiv7619332875MsoAcetate {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv7619332875 p.yiv7619332875msonormal, #yiv7619332875 li.yiv7619332875msonormal, #yiv7619332875 div.yiv7619332875msonormal {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv7619332875 p.yiv7619332875msochpdefault, #yiv7619332875 li.yiv7619332875msochpdefault, #yiv7619332875 div.yiv7619332875msochpdefault {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875msohyperlink {}#yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875msohyperlinkfollowed {}#yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875emailstyle17 {}#yiv7619332875 p.yiv7619332875msonormal1, #yiv7619332875 li.yiv7619332875msonormal1, #yiv7619332875 div.yiv7619332875msonormal1 {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875msohyperlink1 {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875msohyperlinkfollowed1 {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875emailstyle171 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv7619332875 p.yiv7619332875msochpdefault1, #yiv7619332875 li.yiv7619332875msochpdefault1, #yiv7619332875 div.yiv7619332875msochpdefault1 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875EmailStyle27 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv7619332875 span.yiv7619332875BalloonTextChar {}#yiv7619332875 .yiv7619332875MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv7619332875 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv7619332875 div.yiv7619332875WordSection1 {}#yiv7619332875 I was only joking with a pun. ? ? ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2015 5:18 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search ?OK that could be the problem thanks.Didn't get 5 warnings that it was about to expire.Alan ? ?From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search ?Have to pay your sub.? J??? ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2015 3:01 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search?Am trying to search for something in the emailarchives but keep getting "Forbidden".Is that just for me or everyone else?Was looking particularly for the quote by a National Geographic(I think) person who rated the experience of piloting the Curasubas better than climbing Everest.Alan __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11413 (20150401) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11413 (20150401) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11414 (20150402) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11414 (20150402) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 2 09:05:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 09:05:24 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine In-Reply-To: <1427936280.47090.YahooMailBasic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1427936280.47090.YahooMailBasic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That isn't a K350, its Antipodes, which is a highly modified Perry boat. BTW I loved the fact someone just took the plunge to design and build a new sub that is not a toy for millionaires, that's great news in and of itself. And a very interesting boat too. First thing that jumped out at me is the lack of battery pods. Perhaps we're seeing the first sub built for the newer and very energy dense batteries? The other thing I'm curious about is the diminutive coning tower. I wonder if they can get sufficient freeboard with that? I'm wondering how much VBT they've got considering five people aboard, that's a lot of variation. And finally the PS3 controls... Alan scooped them on that one, he should charge royalties! Best, Alec On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > What K350 is in the background at 3:44 > On Wed, 4/1/15, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine > To: "submersibles, personal" > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 1:02 PM > > > ?Don't > know if anyone else has been following this or not, but very > interesting and worth a look. Since it is a joint > university project, I wonder if there is a way to get their > plans and specs..... 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David Colombo Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Date: 04/01/2015 7:51 PM (GMT-08:00) To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Convention 2015 Who is currently planning to attend the Psubs convention this June? Please let us know your plans, vague or otherwise. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 2 14:52:05 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:52:05 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Happy easter holiday Message-ID: <71813C86-0FFB-4C55-B6D5-B508CEE59F69@upplevelsepresent.se> Happy easter holidays, We have Malen in the splash now and looking forward to a great season. Just i few stuff left to mount after the transport. Cheers to you all! 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 2 22:35:11 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (John Kammerer via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 22:35:11 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Convention 2015 In-Reply-To: References: <003901d06cef$f6e5c020$e4b14060$@telus.net> Message-ID: <75DF5EA4-AA14-4D23-AFAA-50851D36D4DD@optonline.net> Hi Tim: I am planning on being there. John K. (203) 414-1000 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hey Tim, I am going : ) Not to speak for others but to help get info. out below is what I know of who may be attending: > > David Colombo > Dan Lance > Alec Smyth > Mark Ragan (tentative) > > > Steve > >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:51 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Who is currently planning to attend the Psubs convention this June? Please let us know your plans, vague or otherwise. >> >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 2 23:10:15 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:10:15 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] thru hulls Message-ID: <20150402201015.39C50B20@m0005310.ppops.net> I think I'm going to go with multiple 1/16th thick O rings, maybe two on each end of the thru hull, separated from each other by a quarter inch or so. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] thru hulls Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 15:34:33 -0700 Hank, That is an incredibly deep groove, and I don't see the reason for it. I was considering going with that size but getting a grooving tool to go .125 thousandths is a long way to go, especially in a 1/2" hole ! Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] thru hulls Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:26:57 -0700 Brian, Gamma has 1/8 orings, I would go with 1/8 might be more forgiveness. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/17/15, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] thru hulls To: "PSubs" Received: Tuesday, March 17, 2015, 3:31 PM Hi All,????????????? Starting in on thru hull production.? I will need probably close to a dozen of them.? I'm making them all to accept a 1/2" stainless shaft, and I will be using 1/16"? O rings.? I don't see any need to use?thicker diameter O rings?,??since the?deeper O ring grooves can be a bit more problematic.?? By the time my welder finishes all the remaining critical welds I should have my thru hulls done.?? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 3 18:16:58 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:16:58 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine Message-ID: <1428099418.60754.YahooMailBasic@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yeah I saw Antipodes and I saw Lula in other videos. There is a K350 in the video. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/2/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Thursday, April 2, 2015, 8:05 AM That isn't a K350, its Antipodes, which is a highly modified Perry boat. BTW I loved the fact someone just took the plunge to design and build a new sub that is not a toy for millionaires, that's great news in and of itself. And a very interesting boat too. First thing that jumped out at me is the lack of battery pods. Perhaps we're seeing the first sub built for the newer and very energy dense batteries? The other thing I'm curious about is the diminutive coning tower. I wonder if they can get sufficient freeboard with that? I'm wondering how much VBT they've got considering five people aboard, that's a lot of variation. And finally the PS3 controls... Alan scooped them on that one, he should charge royalties! Best, Alec On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: What K350 is in the background at 3:44 On Wed, 4/1/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine ?To: "submersibles, personal" ?Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 1:02 PM ??Don't ?know if anyone else has been following this or not, but very ?interesting and worth a look.? Since it is a joint ?university project, I wonder if there is a way to get their ?plans and specs.....? And I like how they are using a ?Sony Play Station game controller to maneuver it.... ?? ?http://www.washington.edu/news/blog/uw-and-local-company-unveil-new-five-person-submarine/ ?-----Inline Attachment Follows----- ?_______________________________________________ ?Personal_Submersibles mailing list ?Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ?http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a K350 in the video. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/2/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Thursday, April 2, 2015, 8:05 AM That isn't a K350, its Antipodes, which is a highly modified Perry boat. BTW I loved the fact someone just took the plunge to design and build a new sub that is not a toy for millionaires, that's great news in and of itself. And a very interesting boat too. First thing that jumped out at me is the lack of battery pods. Perhaps we're seeing the first sub built for the newer and very energy dense batteries? The other thing I'm curious about is the diminutive coning tower. I wonder if they can get sufficient freeboard with that? I'm wondering how much VBT they've got considering five people aboard, that's a lot of variation. And finally the PS3 controls... Alan scooped them on that one, he should charge royalties! Best, Alec On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: What K350 is in the background at 3:44 On Wed, 4/1/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UW 5 person submarine ?To: "submersibles, personal" ?Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 1:02 PM ??Don't ?know if anyone else has been following this or not, but very ?interesting and worth a look.? Since it is a joint ?university project, I wonder if there is a way to get their ?plans and specs.....? And I like how they are using a ?Sony Play Station game controller to maneuver it.... ?? ?http://www.washington.edu/news/blog/uw-and-local-company-unveil-new-five-person-submarine/ ?-----Inline Attachment Follows----- ?_______________________________________________ ?Personal_Submersibles mailing list ?Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ?http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 3 20:49:31 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 0:49:31 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber Message-ID: <20150404004931.QBYPL.377050.root@dnvrco-web27> Hello Psubs group, Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad to build the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is capable of 12" x 12" x 12". Thanks, Mark... 910-638-5229 From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 3 20:52:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:52:33 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Convention 2015 In-Reply-To: <75DF5EA4-AA14-4D23-AFAA-50851D36D4DD@optonline.net> References: <003901d06cef$f6e5c020$e4b14060$@telus.net> <75DF5EA4-AA14-4D23-AFAA-50851D36D4DD@optonline.net> Message-ID: <003601d06e71$a322c8b0$e9685a10$@telus.net> This is pretty good so far. I am still on the fence, but leaning toward the attending side. It's just not the trip my wife had in mind this year. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of John Kammerer via Personal_Submersibles Sent: April-02-15 7:35 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Convention 2015 Hi Tim: I am planning on being there. John K. (203) 414-1000 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hey Tim, I am going : ) Not to speak for others but to help get info. out below is what I know of who may be attending: David Colombo Dan Lance Alec Smyth Mark Ragan (tentative) Steve On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:51 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Who is currently planning to attend the Psubs convention this June? Please let us know your plans, vague or otherwise. Tim _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 3 21:05:30 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 18:05:30 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome Message-ID: <1428109530.48395.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> My new bow dome is on and I can not believe how spectacular it is. I can sit upright in the front of the sub and operate it from the front. It is weird to look out because it is as if there is nothing there. It is hard to explain. I will build new ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am back in the water. I am mounting Nemo style split tanks that vent from Gamma's original vent valve. Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 3 21:08:23 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 18:08:23 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <1428109530.48395.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1428109530.48395.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <679E3916-E2A8-4C0B-8E80-218A96FFEB47@comcast.net> That's excellent! Did you post pictures? Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2015, at 6:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > My new bow dome is on and I can not believe how spectacular it is. I can sit upright in the front of the sub and operate it from the front. It is weird to look out because it is as if there is nothing there. It is hard to explain. I will build new ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am back in the water. I am mounting Nemo style split tanks that vent from Gamma's original vent valve. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 3 21:12:16 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 18:12:16 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <679E3916-E2A8-4C0B-8E80-218A96FFEB47@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1428109936.8029.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bob, I have not but I will, I need to clean up my shop first. :-( it is a big mess. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM That's excellent!? Did you post pictures? Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2015, at 6:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > My new bow dome is on and I can not believe how spectacular it is.? I can sit upright in the front of the sub and operate it from the front.? It is weird to look out because it is as if there is nothing there.? It is hard to explain.? I will build new? ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style split tanks that vent from Gamma's original vent valve. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Apr 4 00:12:28 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 00:12:28 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Convention 2015 Message-ID: <101111.449cb8e6.4250beac@aol.com> I have it on my calendar. -Jim T. In a message dated 4/3/2015 7:53:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: This is pretty good so far. I am still on the fence, but leaning toward the attending side. It's just not the trip my wife had in mind this year. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of John Kammerer via Personal_Submersibles Sent: April-02-15 7:35 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psubs Convention 2015 Hi Tim: I am planning on being there. John K. (203) 414-1000 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles <_personal_submersibles at psubs.org_ (mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org) > wrote: Hey Tim, I am going : ) Not to speak for others but to help get info. out below is what I know of who may be attending: David Colombo Dan Lance Alec Smyth Mark Ragan (tentative) Steve On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:51 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles <_personal_submersibles at psubs.org_ (mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org) > wrote: Who is currently planning to attend the Psubs convention this June? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Apr 4 02:10:25 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 06:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <1428109530.48395.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1428109530.48395.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <630054907.73641.1428127825595.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Sounds spectacular Hank.Are you doing an unmanned dive / pressure test.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:05 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome My new bow dome is on and I can not believe how spectacular it is.? I can sit upright in the front of the sub and operate it from the front.? It is weird to look out because it is as if there is nothing there.? It is hard to explain.? I will build new? ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style split tanks that vent from Gamma's original vent valve. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Apr 4 08:37:47 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 08:37:47 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: <20150404004931.QBYPL.377050.root@dnvrco-web27> References: <20150404004931.QBYPL.377050.root@dnvrco-web27> Message-ID: Hi Mark, See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the website somewhere? Thanks, Alec On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hello Psubs group, > > Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing > to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad to build > the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is capable of > 12" x 12" x 12". > > Thanks, > > Mark... > 910-638-5229 > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Apr 4 10:00:59 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 14:00:59 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> Hi Alec, Thanks for sharing. Perfect design for our sub. Are the part and STL files available to share? Mark... ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Mark, > > See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ > > Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the > website somewhere? > > > Thanks, > > Alec > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hello Psubs group, > > > > Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing > > to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad to build > > the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is capable of > > 12" x 12" x 12". > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark... > > 910-638-5229 > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Apr 4 10:10:22 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 09:10:22 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> Message-ID: <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> Alec, For the record, you are awesome. > On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Alec, > > Thanks for sharing. Perfect design for our sub. Are the part and STL files available to share? > > Mark... > > ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >> >> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the >> website somewhere? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Alec >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello Psubs group, >>> >>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing >>> to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad to build >>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is capable of >>> 12" x 12" x 12". >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mark... >>> 910-638-5229 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Apr 4 10:14:17 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 10:14:17 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2015 Convention: ISR/Navy Visitor Registration Message-ID: All, if you are planning on attending this year's PSUB convention please act on this request as *there is a 5/19/15 hard deadline*. Not sure if you going? Register anyway before the deadline. I can cancel you later if needed. We need to use the International Submarine Race's registration process (as well as the one we may do internally for PSUB). This early deadline is because we are entering a naval facility and interacting with their security process. Here is a link to the registration page: http://www.onlineregistrationcenter.com/ISR13 It is a 2 step process but the instructions are very good. 1) Fill out the on-line registration process 2) Print/complete forms 5.2 and 5.5, sign and mail to the directed address Any questions or issues feel free to contact me. Thanks, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Apr 4 10:27:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 10:27:26 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> Message-ID: Yes, but I need to dig them out. Will try to do so this evening. Glad I'm awesome Greg, although it would be much better if you were a gorgeous 23 year old babe. Mark, these are intended as individual scrubbers, one per person on your crew. That being because they are human-powered if you are out of power. Another point... they are for a sub that is still under completion, so I have not actually used them yet. Although they should work since they're essentially the same as Snoopy's existing one, its just the method of fabrication that's different. Best, Alec On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Alec, > > Thanks for sharing. Perfect design for our sub. Are the part and STL > files available to share? > > Mark... > > ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > > > See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ > > > > Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the > > website somewhere? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alec > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > > Hello Psubs group, > > > > > > Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be > willing > > > to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad to > build > > > the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is capable > of > > > 12" x 12" x 12". > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mark... > > > 910-638-5229 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Steve On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > If all goes well with work, both David and I will be there. > > Regards, > > Mark Widman > Director, GDSN & Data Quality > GS1 Global, USA > mark.widman at gs1.org > 910-638-5229 > > Sent from iPhone. > > On Apr 1, 2015, at 10:51 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Who is currently planning to attend the Psubs convention this June? > Please let us know your plans, vague or otherwise. > > > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dan Lance On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:51 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Who is currently planning to attend the Psubs convention this June? > Please let us know your plans, vague or otherwise. > > > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Apr 6 15:51:39 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 12:51:39 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> Message-ID: Would it be possible to get the stl file? I just found out that I have access to a 3D printer as well Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alec, > For the record, you are awesome. > >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hi Alec, >> >> Thanks for sharing. Perfect design for our sub. Are the part and STL files available to share? >> >> Mark... >> >> ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>> >>> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the >>> website somewhere? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Psubs group, >>>> >>>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing >>>> to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad to build >>>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is capable of >>>> 12" x 12" x 12". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Mark... >>>> 910-638-5229 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 7 11:52:42 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 11:52:42 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> Message-ID: Guys, did this come through for you with the attachments? Thanks, Alec On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alec Smyth wrote: > OK, I'm not sure what our attachment limit is, but if it works there > should be eight stl files attached. > > The scrubber consists of two cylinders, with the space between them filled > with Sofnolime. There is a blind "fixed end" that caps both cylinders, and > a "removable end" that serves as a lid to the space between the cylinders. > This removable end is held tight against the scrubber agent in tension by > two bungee cords. It is thick, so that as the scrubber agent settles the > removable end can move into the cylindrical space keeping up the pressure > and preventing the formation of air paths. Because thermal contraction > makes thick parts challenging to print, there are two files (A and B) for > the removable end. Print them separately, bolt them together. > > The non-printable parts are: > > - Two cylinders made of perforated brass sheet. The material for those is > McMaster item #9360T15. Roll the perforated sheet by hand into two > cylinders of 1 7/8" and 5 1/4" diameters. I rolled the cylinders with about > 1/2" overlap and put small pop rivets in the overlap to make a seam. Do > this AFTER printing, so you can use the printed parts as diameter > references. Vary the cylinder length as desired to increase or decrease > Sofnolime capacity. Mine are 12" long. > - The backup breathing hose is "Bilgeflex" white corrugated bilge pump > hose from West Marine. > - A SCUBA 2nd stage rubber mouthpiece. > - The white external bars parallel to the cylinders and holding them > together are fiberglass structural rods, McMaster part #8543K53 > , drilled and with 1/4" SS threaded rod > inside. > - The fan is a Delta Electronics BFB0712H, obtainable from Digikey as item > #603-1118-ND. > - The rest is just a little bungee cord and a couple of tiny SS screws > that go through the external and internal stiffeners to hold the outside > cylinder to them. > > For details please refer to the photos on > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ > > Permission is hereby granted to all PSUBS members to use this design with > the caveat that it is experimental and untested kit, and in the hope all > who use it will also endeavor to improve the design. This is intended to be > "open source". > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Would it be possible to get the stl file? I just found out that I have >> access to a 3D printer as well >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 4, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> > >> > Alec, >> > For the record, you are awesome. >> > >> >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Alec, >> >> >> >> Thanks for sharing. Perfect design for our sub. Are the part and STL >> files available to share? >> >> >> >> Mark... >> >> >> >> ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi Mark, >> >>> >> >>> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >> >>> >> >>> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on >> the >> >>> website somewhere? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> >> >>> Alec >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >> >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hello Psubs group, >> >>>> >> >>>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be >> willing >> >>>> to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad >> to build >> >>>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is >> capable of >> >>>> 12" x 12" x 12". >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, >> >>>> >> >>>> Mark... >> >>>> 910-638-5229 >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 7 14:22:15 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 18:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> Message-ID: <507149708.29989033.1428430934992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Alec, ? I did not get any attachments with this thread.? Could you maybe send them direct to bobtravis at comcast.net ?? I would really appreciate it!!? And I too would be happy to make extras or anything else I can do to help the group.? I rarely comment or ask questions but I read every email that comes through!? This site has been a HUGE help and, if the stars continue to shine on me, I will be testing my K boat this year!! ? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:52:42 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber Guys, did this come through for you with the attachments? Thanks, Alec On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alec Smyth < alecsmyth at gmail.com > wrote: OK, I'm not sure what our attachment limit is, but if it works there should be eight stl files attached.? The scrubber consists of two cylinders, with the space between them filled with Sofnolime. There is a blind "fixed end" that caps both cylinders, and a "removable end" that serves as a lid to the space between the cylinders. This removable end is held tight against the scrubber agent in tension by two bungee cords. It is thick, so that as the scrubber agent settles the removable end can move into the cylindrical space keeping up the pressure and preventing the formation of air paths. Because thermal contraction makes thick parts challenging to print, there are two files (A and B) for the removable end. Print them separately, bolt them together. The non-printable parts are: - Two cylinders made of perforated brass sheet. The material for those is McMaster item # 9360T15. Roll the perforated sheet by hand into two cylinders of 1 7/8" and 5 1/4" diameters. I rolled the cylinders with about 1/2" overlap and put small pop rivets in the overlap to make a seam. Do this AFTER printing, so you can use the printed parts as diameter references. Vary the cylinder length as desired to increase or decrease Sofnolime capacity. Mine are 12" long. - The backup breathing hose is "Bilgeflex" white corrugated bilge pump hose from West Marine. - A SCUBA 2nd stage rubber mouthpiece. - The white external bars parallel to the cylinders and holding them together are fiberglass structural rods, McMaster part # 8543K53 , drilled and with? 1/4" SS threaded rod inside. - The fan is a Delta Electronics BFB0712H, obtainable from Digikey as item # 603-1118-ND. - The rest is just a little bungee cord and a couple of tiny SS screws that go through the external and internal stiffeners to hold the outside cylinder to them. For details please refer to the photos on? http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ Permission is hereby granted to all PSUBS members to use this design with the caveat that it is experimental and untested kit, and in the hope all who use it will also endeavor to improve the design. This is intended to be "open source". Best, Alec On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote:
Would it be possible to get the stl file?? I just found out that I have access to a 3D printer as well Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: > > Alec, > For the record, you are awesome. > >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: >> >> Hi Alec, >> >> Thanks for sharing.? Perfect design for our sub.? Are the part and STL files available to share? >> >> Mark... >> >> ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>> >>> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the >>> website somewhere? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Psubs group, >>>> >>>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing >>>> to share your plans and the STL files?? In return, I would be glad to build >>>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group.? Our 3D printer is capable of >>>> 12" x 12" x 12". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Mark... >>>> 910-638-5229 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles
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The scrubber consists of two cylinders, with the space between them filled with Sofnolime. There is a blind "fixed end" that caps both cylinders, and a "removable end" that serves as a lid to the space between the cylinders. This removable end is held tight against the scrubber agent in tension by two bungee cords. It is thick, so that as the scrubber agent settles the removable end can move into the cylindrical space keeping up the pressure and preventing the formation of air paths. Because thermal contraction makes thick parts challenging to print, there are two files (A and B) for the removable end. Print them separately, bolt them together. The non-printable parts are: - Two cylinders made of perforated brass sheet. The material for those is McMaster item #9360T15. Roll the perforated sheet by hand into two cylinders of 1 7/8" and 5 1/4" diameters. I rolled the cylinders with about 1/2" overlap and put small pop rivets in the overlap to make a seam. Do this AFTER printing, so you can use the printed parts as diameter references. Vary the cylinder length as desired to increase or decrease Sofnolime capacity. Mine are 12" long.- The backup breathing hose is "Bilgeflex" white corrugated bilge pump hose from West Marine. - A SCUBA 2nd stage rubber mouthpiece. - The white external bars parallel to the cylinders and holding them together are fiberglass structural rods, McMaster part #8543K53, drilled and with?1/4" SS threaded rod inside.- The fan is a Delta Electronics BFB0712H, obtainable from Digikey as item #603-1118-ND. - The rest is just a little bungee cord and a couple of tiny SS screws that go through the external and internal stiffeners to hold the outside cylinder to them. For details please refer to the photos on?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ Permission is hereby granted to all PSUBS members to use this design with the caveat that it is experimental and untested kit, and in the hope all who use it will also endeavor to improve the design. This is intended to be "open source". Best, Alec On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Would it be possible to get the stl file?? I just found out that I have access to a 3D printer as well Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alec, > For the record, you are awesome. > >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hi Alec, >> >> Thanks for sharing.? Perfect design for our sub.? Are the part and STL files available to share? >> >> Mark... >> >> ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>> >>> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the >>> website somewhere? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Psubs group, >>>> >>>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing >>>> to share your plans and the STL files?? In return, I would be glad to build >>>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group.? Our 3D printer is capable of >>>> 12" x 12" x 12". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Mark... >>>> 910-638-5229 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 7 15:01:25 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 15:01:25 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: <507149708.29989033.1428430934992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> <507149708.29989033.1428430934992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Done. Anyone else, please let me know your emails and I'll forward off list. Best, Alec On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alec, > > I did not get any attachments with this thread. Could you maybe send them > direct to bobtravis at comcast.net? I would really appreciate it!! And I > too would be happy to make extras or anything else I can do to help the > group. I rarely comment or ask questions but I read every email that comes > through! This site has been a HUGE help and, if the stars continue to > shine on me, I will be testing my K boat this year!! > > Bob > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To: *"Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:52:42 AM > *Subject: *Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber > > > Guys, did this come through for you with the attachments? > > Thanks, > > Alec > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alec Smyth wrote: > >> OK, I'm not sure what our attachment limit is, but if it works there >> should be eight stl files attached. >> >> The scrubber consists of two cylinders, with the space between them >> filled with Sofnolime. There is a blind "fixed end" that caps both >> cylinders, and a "removable end" that serves as a lid to the space between >> the cylinders. This removable end is held tight against the scrubber agent >> in tension by two bungee cords. It is thick, so that as the scrubber agent >> settles the removable end can move into the cylindrical space keeping up >> the pressure and preventing the formation of air paths. Because thermal >> contraction makes thick parts challenging to print, there are two files (A >> and B) for the removable end. Print them separately, bolt them together. >> >> The non-printable parts are: >> >> - Two cylinders made of perforated brass sheet. The material for those is >> McMaster item #9360T15. Roll the perforated sheet by hand into two >> cylinders of 1 7/8" and 5 1/4" diameters. I rolled the cylinders with about >> 1/2" overlap and put small pop rivets in the overlap to make a seam. Do >> this AFTER printing, so you can use the printed parts as diameter >> references. Vary the cylinder length as desired to increase or decrease >> Sofnolime capacity. Mine are 12" long. >> - The backup breathing hose is "Bilgeflex" white corrugated bilge pump >> hose from West Marine. >> - A SCUBA 2nd stage rubber mouthpiece. >> - The white external bars parallel to the cylinders and holding them >> together are fiberglass structural rods, McMaster part #8543K53 >> , drilled and with 1/4" SS threaded >> rod inside. >> - The fan is a Delta Electronics BFB0712H, obtainable from Digikey as >> item #603-1118-ND. >> - The rest is just a little bungee cord and a couple of tiny SS screws >> that go through the external and internal stiffeners to hold the outside >> cylinder to them. >> >> For details please refer to the photos on >> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >> >> Permission is hereby granted to all PSUBS members to use this design with >> the caveat that it is experimental and untested kit, and in the hope all >> who use it will also endeavor to improve the design. This is intended to be >> "open source". >> >> >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Would it be possible to get the stl file? I just found out that I have >>> access to a 3D printer as well >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Apr 4, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > Alec, >>> > For the record, you are awesome. >>> > >>> >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi Alec, >>> >> >>> >> Thanks for sharing. Perfect design for our sub. Are the part and >>> STL files available to share? >>> >> >>> >> Mark... >>> >> >>> >> ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> >>> >>> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out >>> on the >>> >>> website somewhere? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello Psubs group, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be >>> willing >>> >>>> to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad >>> to build >>> >>>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is >>> capable of >>> >>>> 12" x 12" x 12". >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Mark... >>> >>>> 910-638-5229 >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 7 15:10:04 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Eriksen?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 21:10:04 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> <507149708.29989033.1428430934992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: a.erikse at gmail.com -Andr? 7. apr. 2015 21:02 skrev "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org>: > Done. Anyone else, please let me know your emails and I'll forward off > list. > > Best, > > Alec > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Alec, >> >> I did not get any attachments with this thread. Could you maybe send >> them direct to bobtravis at comcast.net? I would really appreciate it!! >> And I too would be happy to make extras or anything else I can do to help >> the group. I rarely comment or ask questions but I read every email that >> comes through! This site has been a HUGE help and, if the stars continue >> to shine on me, I will be testing my K boat this year!! >> >> Bob >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *To: *"Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:52:42 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber >> >> >> Guys, did this come through for you with the attachments? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Alec >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alec Smyth wrote: >> >>> OK, I'm not sure what our attachment limit is, but if it works there >>> should be eight stl files attached. >>> >>> The scrubber consists of two cylinders, with the space between them >>> filled with Sofnolime. There is a blind "fixed end" that caps both >>> cylinders, and a "removable end" that serves as a lid to the space between >>> the cylinders. This removable end is held tight against the scrubber agent >>> in tension by two bungee cords. It is thick, so that as the scrubber agent >>> settles the removable end can move into the cylindrical space keeping up >>> the pressure and preventing the formation of air paths. Because thermal >>> contraction makes thick parts challenging to print, there are two files (A >>> and B) for the removable end. Print them separately, bolt them together. >>> >>> The non-printable parts are: >>> >>> - Two cylinders made of perforated brass sheet. The material for those >>> is McMaster item #9360T15. Roll the perforated sheet by hand into two >>> cylinders of 1 7/8" and 5 1/4" diameters. I rolled the cylinders with about >>> 1/2" overlap and put small pop rivets in the overlap to make a seam. Do >>> this AFTER printing, so you can use the printed parts as diameter >>> references. Vary the cylinder length as desired to increase or decrease >>> Sofnolime capacity. Mine are 12" long. >>> - The backup breathing hose is "Bilgeflex" white corrugated bilge pump >>> hose from West Marine. >>> - A SCUBA 2nd stage rubber mouthpiece. >>> - The white external bars parallel to the cylinders and holding them >>> together are fiberglass structural rods, McMaster part #8543K53 >>> , drilled and with 1/4" SS threaded >>> rod inside. >>> - The fan is a Delta Electronics BFB0712H, obtainable from Digikey as >>> item #603-1118-ND. >>> - The rest is just a little bungee cord and a couple of tiny SS screws >>> that go through the external and internal stiffeners to hold the outside >>> cylinder to them. >>> >>> For details please refer to the photos on >>> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>> >>> Permission is hereby granted to all PSUBS members to use this design >>> with the caveat that it is experimental and untested kit, and in the hope >>> all who use it will also endeavor to improve the design. This is intended >>> to be "open source". >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Would it be possible to get the stl file? I just found out that I have >>>> access to a 3D printer as well >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On Apr 4, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Alec, >>>> > For the record, you are awesome. >>>> > >>>> >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Hi Alec, >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks for sharing. Perfect design for our sub. Are the part and >>>> STL files available to share? >>>> >> >>>> >> Mark... >>>> >> >>>> >> ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>> Hi Mark, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out >>>> on the >>>> >>> website somewhere? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thanks, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Alec >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Psubs group, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be >>>> willing >>>> >>>> to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad >>>> to build >>>> >>>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is >>>> capable of >>>> >>>> 12" x 12" x 12". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark... >>>> >>>> 910-638-5229 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 7 15:25:54 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 12:25:54 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1428434754.7746.YahooMailBasic@web163205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> wreckdiver at frontiernet.net Al Secor -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/7/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 3:01 PM Done. Anyone else, please let me know your emails and I'll forward off list. Best, Alec On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec, ? I did not get any attachments with this thread.? Could you maybe send them direct to bobtravis at comcast.net?? I would really appreciate it!!? And I too would be happy to make extras or anything else I can do to help the group.? I rarely comment or ask questions but I read every email that comes through!? This site has been a HUGE help and, if the stars continue to shine on me, I will be testing my K boat this year!! ? Bob From: "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:52:42 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber Guys, did this come through for you with the attachments? Thanks, Alec On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alec Smyth wrote: OK, I'm not sure what our attachment limit is, but if it works there should be eight stl files attached.? The scrubber consists of two cylinders, with the space between them filled with Sofnolime. There is a blind "fixed end" that caps both cylinders, and a "removable end" that serves as a lid to the space between the cylinders. This removable end is held tight against the scrubber agent in tension by two bungee cords. It is thick, so that as the scrubber agent settles the removable end can move into the cylindrical space keeping up the pressure and preventing the formation of air paths. Because thermal contraction makes thick parts challenging to print, there are two files (A and B) for the removable end. Print them separately, bolt them together. The non-printable parts are: - Two cylinders made of perforated brass sheet. The material for those is McMaster item #9360T15. Roll the perforated sheet by hand into two cylinders of 1 7/8" and 5 1/4" diameters. I rolled the cylinders with about 1/2" overlap and put small pop rivets in the overlap to make a seam. Do this AFTER printing, so you can use the printed parts as diameter references. Vary the cylinder length as desired to increase or decrease Sofnolime capacity. Mine are 12" long. - The backup breathing hose is "Bilgeflex" white corrugated bilge pump hose from West Marine. - A SCUBA 2nd stage rubber mouthpiece. - The white external bars parallel to the cylinders and holding them together are fiberglass structural rods, McMaster part #8543K53, drilled and with?1/4" SS threaded rod inside. - The fan is a Delta Electronics BFB0712H, obtainable from Digikey as item #603-1118-ND. - The rest is just a little bungee cord and a couple of tiny SS screws that go through the external and internal stiffeners to hold the outside cylinder to them. For details please refer to the photos on?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ Permission is hereby granted to all PSUBS members to use this design with the caveat that it is experimental and untested kit, and in the hope all who use it will also endeavor to improve the design. This is intended to be "open source". Best, Alec On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Would it be possible to get the stl file?? I just found out that I have access to a 3D printer as well Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alec, > For the record, you are awesome. > >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hi Alec, >> >> Thanks for sharing.? Perfect design for our sub.? Are the part and STL files available to share? >> >> Mark... >> >> ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>> >>> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the >>> website somewhere? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Psubs group, >>>> >>>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing >>>> to share your plans and the STL files?? In return, I would be glad to build >>>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group.? Our 3D printer is capable of >>>> 12" x 12" x 12". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Mark... >>>> 910-638-5229 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 7 15:34:06 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Mark via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 15:34:06 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> <507149708.29989033.1428430934992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <418BAD4B-AEF1-4429-A01D-B9F6E39D52ED@nc.rr.com> Hi Alec, I did not receive the attachment. Thanks again for sending. Regards, Mark Widman Director, GDSN & Data Quality GS1 Global, USA mark.widman at gs1.org 910-638-5229 Sent from iPhone. > On Apr 7, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Done. Anyone else, please let me know your emails and I'll forward off list. > > Best, > > Alec > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Alec, >> >> I did not get any attachments with this thread. Could you maybe send them direct to bobtravis at comcast.net? I would really appreciate it!! And I too would be happy to make extras or anything else I can do to help the group. I rarely comment or ask questions but I read every email that comes through! This site has been a HUGE help and, if the stars continue to shine on me, I will be testing my K boat this year!! >> >> Bob >> >> From: "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:52:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber >> >> >> Guys, did this come through for you with the attachments? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Alec >> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alec Smyth wrote: >>> OK, I'm not sure what our attachment limit is, but if it works there should be eight stl files attached. >>> >>> The scrubber consists of two cylinders, with the space between them filled with Sofnolime. There is a blind "fixed end" that caps both cylinders, and a "removable end" that serves as a lid to the space between the cylinders. This removable end is held tight against the scrubber agent in tension by two bungee cords. It is thick, so that as the scrubber agent settles the removable end can move into the cylindrical space keeping up the pressure and preventing the formation of air paths. Because thermal contraction makes thick parts challenging to print, there are two files (A and B) for the removable end. Print them separately, bolt them together. >>> >>> The non-printable parts are: >>> >>> - Two cylinders made of perforated brass sheet. The material for those is McMaster item #9360T15. Roll the perforated sheet by hand into two cylinders of 1 7/8" and 5 1/4" diameters. I rolled the cylinders with about 1/2" overlap and put small pop rivets in the overlap to make a seam. Do this AFTER printing, so you can use the printed parts as diameter references. Vary the cylinder length as desired to increase or decrease Sofnolime capacity. Mine are 12" long. >>> - The backup breathing hose is "Bilgeflex" white corrugated bilge pump hose from West Marine. >>> - A SCUBA 2nd stage rubber mouthpiece. >>> - The white external bars parallel to the cylinders and holding them together are fiberglass structural rods, McMaster part #8543K53, drilled and with 1/4" SS threaded rod inside. >>> - The fan is a Delta Electronics BFB0712H, obtainable from Digikey as item #603-1118-ND. >>> - The rest is just a little bungee cord and a couple of tiny SS screws that go through the external and internal stiffeners to hold the outside cylinder to them. >>> >>> For details please refer to the photos on http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>> >>> Permission is hereby granted to all PSUBS members to use this design with the caveat that it is experimental and untested kit, and in the hope all who use it will also endeavor to improve the design. This is intended to be "open source". >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Would it be possible to get the stl file? I just found out that I have access to a 3D printer as well >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On Apr 4, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Alec, >>>> > For the record, you are awesome. >>>> > >>>> >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Hi Alec, >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks for sharing. Perfect design for our sub. Are the part and STL files available to share? >>>> >> >>>> >> Mark... >>>> >> >>>> >> ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>> Hi Mark, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the >>>> >>> website somewhere? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thanks, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Alec >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Psubs group, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing >>>> >>>> to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad to build >>>> >>>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is capable of >>>> >>>> 12" x 12" x 12". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark... >>>> >>>> 910-638-5229 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 7 15:44:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 21:44:33 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> <507149708.29989033.1428430934992.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <234C107B-96E1-4242-ACB7-13A7A2494D17@upplevelsepresent.se> Thank you Alec, It's Lasse at upplevelsepresent.se Cheers Lasse Schmidt Upplevelseakuten AB Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 11130 Stockholm Telefon v?xel: 08-660 16 10 Mobiltelefon: 070-28 32 660 7 apr 2015 kl. 21:03 skrev Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles >: Done. Anyone else, please let me know your emails and I'll forward off list. Best, Alec On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alec, I did not get any attachments with this thread. Could you maybe send them direct to bobtravis at comcast.net? I would really appreciate it!! And I too would be happy to make extras or anything else I can do to help the group. I rarely comment or ask questions but I read every email that comes through! This site has been a HUGE help and, if the stars continue to shine on me, I will be testing my K boat this year!! Bob ________________________________ From: "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:52:42 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber Guys, did this come through for you with the attachments? Thanks, Alec On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alec Smyth > wrote: OK, I'm not sure what our attachment limit is, but if it works there should be eight stl files attached. The scrubber consists of two cylinders, with the space between them filled with Sofnolime. There is a blind "fixed end" that caps both cylinders, and a "removable end" that serves as a lid to the space between the cylinders. This removable end is held tight against the scrubber agent in tension by two bungee cords. It is thick, so that as the scrubber agent settles the removable end can move into the cylindrical space keeping up the pressure and preventing the formation of air paths. Because thermal contraction makes thick parts challenging to print, there are two files (A and B) for the removable end. Print them separately, bolt them together. The non-printable parts are: - Two cylinders made of perforated brass sheet. The material for those is McMaster item #9360T15. Roll the perforated sheet by hand into two cylinders of 1 7/8" and 5 1/4" diameters. I rolled the cylinders with about 1/2" overlap and put small pop rivets in the overlap to make a seam. Do this AFTER printing, so you can use the printed parts as diameter references. Vary the cylinder length as desired to increase or decrease Sofnolime capacity. Mine are 12" long. - The backup breathing hose is "Bilgeflex" white corrugated bilge pump hose from West Marine. - A SCUBA 2nd stage rubber mouthpiece. - The white external bars parallel to the cylinders and holding them together are fiberglass structural rods, McMaster part #8543K53, drilled and with 1/4" SS threaded rod inside. - The fan is a Delta Electronics BFB0712H, obtainable from Digikey as item #603-1118-ND. - The rest is just a little bungee cord and a couple of tiny SS screws that go through the external and internal stiffeners to hold the outside cylinder to them. For details please refer to the photos on http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ Permission is hereby granted to all PSUBS members to use this design with the caveat that it is experimental and untested kit, and in the hope all who use it will also endeavor to improve the design. This is intended to be "open source". Best, Alec On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Would it be possible to get the stl file? I just found out that I have access to a 3D printer as well Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Alec, > For the record, you are awesome. > >> On Apr 4, 2015, at 9:00 AM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> >> Hi Alec, >> >> Thanks for sharing. Perfect design for our sub. Are the part and STL files available to share? >> >> Mark... >> >> ---- Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>> >>> Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on the >>> website somewhere? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Psubs group, >>>> >>>> Has anyone built a CO2 scrubber using a 3D printer that would be willing >>>> to share your plans and the STL files? In return, I would be glad to build >>>> the plastics parts for anyone in the group. Our 3D printer is capable of >>>> 12" x 12" x 12". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Mark... >>>> 910-638-5229 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 7 16:02:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 16:02:57 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Music Video with Pim Stones In-Reply-To: <071F9F91-BFB0-41EF-9E95-B2CBCDE50059@upplevelsepresent.se> References: <071F9F91-BFB0-41EF-9E95-B2CBCDE50059@upplevelsepresent.se> Message-ID: Wow, they went to town on that with lights under your seats and Van der Graph effects and such. I've no idea the significance of the fish tank inside and the dots outside the viewport, but no matter... my teenage daughter is finally going to take notice of a sub! Best, Alec On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hey all, > > It fresh out of the studio, the new video with Pim Stones. I think you all > will like it considering the submarine shots of Malen. > Enjoy! > > http://youtu.be/IRJBu5F88ew > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelseakuten AB > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > Telefon v?xel: 08-660 16 10 > Mobiltelefon: 070-28 32 660 > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 7 16:11:38 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 22:11:38 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Music Video with Pim Stones In-Reply-To: <071F9F91-BFB0-41EF-9E95-B2CBCDE50059@upplevelsepresent.se> Message-ID: It is great Lasse! Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 7 april 2015 21:49 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Music Video with Pim Stones Hey all, It fresh out of the studio, the new video with Pim Stones. I think you all will like it considering the submarine shots of Malen. Enjoy! http://youtu.be/IRJBu5F88ew Lasse Schmidt Upplevelseakuten AB Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 11130 Stockholm Telefon v?xel: 08-660 16 10 Mobiltelefon: 070-28 32 660 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you all > will like it considering the submarine shots of Malen. > Enjoy! > > http://youtu.be/IRJBu5F88ew > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelseakuten AB > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > Telefon v?xel: 08-660 16 10 > Mobiltelefon: 070-28 32 660 > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 8 04:21:08 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Anders Ljung via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 10:21:08 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Music Video with Pim Stones In-Reply-To: <071F9F91-BFB0-41EF-9E95-B2CBCDE50059@upplevelsepresent.se> References: <071F9F91-BFB0-41EF-9E95-B2CBCDE50059@upplevelsepresent.se> Message-ID: Hehe looks alot cleaner inside then when i used it !! Very nice :)) Anders Ljung 2015-04-07 21:48 GMT+02:00 Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org>: > Hey all, > > It fresh out of the studio, the new video with Pim Stones. I think you all > will like it considering the submarine shots of Malen. > Enjoy! > > http://youtu.be/IRJBu5F88ew > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelseakuten AB > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > Telefon v?xel: 08-660 16 10 > Mobiltelefon: 070-28 32 660 > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 8 05:33:28 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 05:33:28 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Music Video with Pim Stones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <14c9860953f-7be0-5bd7@webprd-m103.mail.aol.com> Very nice. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Anders Ljung via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 3:21 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Music Video with Pim Stones Hehe looks alot cleaner inside then when i used it !! Very nice :)) Anders Ljung 2015-04-07 21:48 GMT+02:00 Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles : Hey all, It fresh out of the studio, the new video with Pim Stones. I think you all will like it considering the submarine shots of Malen. Enjoy! http://youtu.be/IRJBu5F88ew Lasse Schmidt Upplevelseakuten AB Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 11130 Stockholm Telefon v?xel: 08-660 16 10 Mobiltelefon: 070-28 32 660 _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 8 05:37:19 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 10:37:19 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Music Video with Pim Stones In-Reply-To: <14c9860953f-7be0-5bd7@webprd-m103.mail.aol.com> References: <14c9860953f-7be0-5bd7@webprd-m103.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Looks great. I cant hear the music though as im at work! Is it heavy metal..... ? :) Regards James On 8 April 2015 at 10:33, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Very nice. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anders Ljung via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 3:21 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS Music Video with Pim Stones > > Hehe > looks alot cleaner inside then when i used it !! > > Very nice :)) > > Anders Ljung > > 2015-04-07 21:48 GMT+02:00 Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org>: > >> Hey all, >> >> It fresh out of the studio, the new video with Pim Stones. I think you >> all will like it considering the submarine shots of Malen. >> Enjoy! >> >> http://youtu.be/IRJBu5F88ew >> >> Lasse Schmidt >> Upplevelseakuten AB >> Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 >> 11130 Stockholm >> Telefon v?xel: 08-660 16 10 >> Mobiltelefon: 070-28 32 660 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing > listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 8 12:14:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 12:14:03 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search In-Reply-To: <138515645.5447998.1428095902930.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <300908153.4098079.1427940037139.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <138515645.5447998.1428095902930.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <552553CB.8050800@psubs.org> A permissions issue with the search engine on the old archive. We'll fix it at some point. Jon On 4/3/2015 5:18 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Found the quote I was after. > It was from the head of the Discovery Channel saying that diving the > Curasub was > a greater experience than climbing Everest. > Funny, but found this archived psub email on an internet search, but was > forbidden from searching it on Psubs. > Alan > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 8 12:21:16 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 12:21:16 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: References: <20150404004931.QBYPL.377050.root@dnvrco-web27> Message-ID: <5525557C.5000908@psubs.org> Alec, Send the file to jon at psubs.org and I'll add it to the "Design Tools" web page. Jon On 4/4/2015 8:37 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Mark, > > See http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ > > Jon, perhaps we can make this open source by putting the files out on > the website somewhere? > > > Thanks, > > Alec > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 8 14:09:10 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 18:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search In-Reply-To: <552553CB.8050800@psubs.org> References: <300908153.4098079.1427940037139.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <138515645.5447998.1428095902930.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <552553CB.8050800@psubs.org> Message-ID: <8622972.2606791.1428516550123.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Jon.Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Archive search A permissions issue with the search engine on the old archive.? We'll fix it at some point. Jon On 4/3/2015 5:18 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Found the quote I was after. It was from the head of the Discovery Channel saying that diving the Curasub was? a greater experience than climbing Everest. Funny, but found this archived psub email on an internet search, but was forbidden from searching it on Psubs. Alan _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 8 22:09:18 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 19:09:18 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome Message-ID: <1428545358.74076.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> She's beautiful Hank. What's this ? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 8:12 PM Bob, I have not but I will, I need to clean up my shop first. :-(? it is a big mess. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM That's excellent!? Did you post pictures? Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2015, at 6:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > My new bow dome is on and I can not believe how spectacular it is.? I can sit upright in the front of the sub and operate it from the front.? It is weird to look out because it is as if there is nothing there.? It is hard to explain.? I will build new? ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style split tanks that vent from Gamma's original vent valve. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 8:12 PM Bob, I have not but I will, I need to clean up my shop first. :-(? it is a big mess. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM That's excellent! Did you post pictures? Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2015, at 6:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > My new bow dome is on and I can not believe how spectacular it is.? I can sit upright in the front of the sub and operate it from the front.? It is weird to look out because it is as if there is nothing there.? It is hard to explain.? I will build new ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style split tanks that vent from Gamma's original vent valve. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 9 00:34:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 04:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <004201d0727a$69635b00$3c2a1100$@telus.net> References: <1428545358.74076.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <004201d0727a$69635b00$3c2a1100$@telus.net> Message-ID: <986862775.3081142.1428554042236.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Yes looks great Hank.Is it normal to use straps on a dome that is mounted vertically?There would be about 200lb of lifting force generated by the dome,?& this would be pushing in to the dome strap retainers at the top.At depth the water pressure would hold it in place, but I am wonderingif it could leak at the bottom edge in shallow water due to a hinging action.If it does you will now know why:)Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2015 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome Looks terrific, Hank! What a view you will have through that port. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles Sent: April-08-15 7:09 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome She's beautiful Hank. What's this ? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 8:12 PM Bob, I have not but I will, I need to clean up my? shop first. :-(? it is a big mess. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM ? ? That's excellent! ? Did you post pictures? ? ? Bob ? ? Sent from ? my iPhone ? ? > On Apr 3, 2015, at ? 6:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? > > My new bow ? dome is on and I can not believe how spectacular it is.? I ? can sit upright in the front of the sub and operate it from ? the front.? It is weird to look out because? it is as if ? there is nothing there.? It is hard to explain.? I will ? build new ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am ? back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style? split tanks ? that vent from Gamma's original vent valve. ? > Hank ? > _______________________________________________ ? > Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 9 08:26:28 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 05:26:28 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <1428545358.74076.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1428582388.49763.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks' guys, Pete, this is Gamma with a face lift :-) Alan, I have looked at some subs with straps holding the dome, even at Nuytco. Dr Phil's deep diving sub has straps, darn can't remember the name of it. I am using straps because I don't trust my engineering to produce the retaining ring for a 180 degree dome. There is not much angle for a ring to grab on a 180 degree dome. As for leaking, I am using an EPDM 1mm gasket under the dome and the aluminum ring has an o ring in it against the reinforcing ring. The straps pull the dome down as tight as I want, so I feel good about it not leaking at the surface. I also have lifting eyes on the straps to help remove the assembly, it weighs 185 lbs. I am still sorting out the rubber to put under the straps. I am using pond liner rubber now for mocking up. Hank------------------------------------------ On Wed, 4/8/15, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2015, 10:09 PM She's beautiful Hank. What's this ? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 8:12 PM Bob, I have not but I will, I need to clean up my shop first. :-(? it is a big mess. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM ? ? That's excellent!? ? Did you post pictures? ? ? Bob ? ? Sent from ? my iPhone ? ? > On Apr 3, 2015, at ? 6:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? > > My new bow ? dome is on and I can not believe how spectacular it is.? I ? can sit upright in the front of the sub and operate it from ? the front.? It is weird to look out because it is as if ? there is nothing there.? It is hard to explain.? I will ? build new? ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am ? back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style split tanks ? that vent from Gamma's original vent valve. ? > Hank ? > _______________________________________________ ? > Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 9 08:38:49 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 08:38:49 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <1428582388.49763.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1428545358.74076.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1428582388.49763.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: VERY nice work. This little boat's going to be a whole different animal, and your starting point was already quite a high bar! Best, Alec On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:26 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks' guys, > Pete, this is Gamma with a face lift :-) > Alan, I have looked at some subs with straps holding the dome, even at > Nuytco. Dr Phil's deep diving sub has straps, darn can't remember the name > of it. I am using straps because I don't trust my engineering to produce > the retaining ring for a 180 degree dome. There is not much angle for a > ring to grab on a 180 degree dome. As for leaking, I am using an EPDM 1mm > gasket under the dome and the aluminum ring has an o ring in it against the > reinforcing ring. The straps pull the dome down as tight as I want, so I > feel good about it not leaking at the surface. I also have lifting eyes on > the straps to help remove the assembly, it weighs 185 lbs. I am still > sorting out the rubber to put under the straps. I am using pond liner > rubber now for mocking up. > Hank------------------------------------------ > On Wed, 4/8/15, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2015, 10:09 PM > > She's beautiful Hank. What's this ? > > Pete > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 4/3/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 8:12 PM > > > Bob, > I have not but I will, I need to clean up my > shop first. :-( it is a big mess. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome > To: > "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM > > That's excellent! > Did you post pictures? > > Bob > > Sent > from > my iPhone > > > On Apr 3, 2015, at > 6:05 > PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote: > > > > > My new bow > dome is on and I can not > believe how spectacular it is. I > can sit > upright in the front of the sub and operate it from > the front. It is weird to look out because > it is as if > there is nothing there. It is > hard to explain. I will > build new > ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am > back in the water. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 9 08:39:37 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 05:39:37 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <1428545358.74076.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1428583177.42685.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Pete, Sorry I did not see the red arrow. That is my new HP air tank I installed over the winter. I am very happy with it because it created a lot of space inside when I removed the internal tanks. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/8/15, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2015, 10:09 PM She's beautiful Hank. What's this ? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 8:12 PM Bob, I have not but I will, I need to clean up my shop first. :-(? it is a big mess. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM ? ? That's excellent!? ? Did you post pictures? ? ? Bob ? ? Sent from ? my iPhone ? ? > On Apr 3, 2015, at ? 6:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? > > My new bow ? dome is on and I can not believe how spectacular it is.? I ? can sit upright in the front of the sub and operate it from ? the front.? It is weird to look out because it is as if ? there is nothing there.? It is hard to explain.? I will ? build new? ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am ? back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style split tanks ? that vent from Gamma's original vent valve. ? > Hank ? > _______________________________________________ ? > Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 9 13:14:58 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 10:14:58 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <1428583177.42685.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1428599698.92409.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hank, Did you put the O2 outside as well ? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/9/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 7:39 AM Hi Pete, Sorry I did not see the red arrow.? That is my new HP air tank I installed over the winter.? I am very happy with it because it created a lot of space inside when I removed the internal tanks.? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/8/15, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2015, 10:09 PM She's beautiful Hank. What's this ? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 8:12 PM ? ? ? Bob, ? I have not but I will, I need to clean up my ? shop first. :-(? it is a big mess. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome ? To: ? "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM ? ? That's excellent!? ? Did you post pictures? ? ? Bob ? ? Sent ? from ? my iPhone ? ? > On Apr 3, 2015, at ? 6:05 ? PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? > ? ? > My new bow ? dome is on and I can not ? believe how spectacular it is.? I ? can sit ? upright in the front of the sub and operate it from ? the front.? It is weird to look out because ? it is as if ? there is nothing there.? It is ? hard to explain.? I will ? build new? ? ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am ? back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style ? split tanks ? that vent from Gamma's ? original vent valve. ? > Hank ? > ? ? _______________________________________________ ? > Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 9 21:07:09 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 01:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <1428582388.49763.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1428545358.74076.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1428582388.49763.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43866154.3912719.1428628029820.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Hank,just came across this vertically mounted bow dome that has straps. http://www.psubs.org/pic/youngmanta.html ? Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome Thanks' guys, Pete, this is Gamma with a face lift :-) Alan, I have looked at some subs with straps holding the dome, even at Nuytco.? Dr Phil's deep diving sub has straps, darn can't remember the name of it.? I am using straps because I don't trust my engineering to produce the retaining ring for a 180 degree dome.? There is not much angle for a ring to grab on a 180 degree dome.? As for leaking, I am using an EPDM 1mm gasket under the dome and the aluminum ring has an o ring in it against the reinforcing ring. The straps pull the dome down as tight as I want, so I feel good about it not leaking at the surface. I also have lifting eyes on the straps to help remove the assembly, it weighs 185 lbs.? I am still sorting out the rubber to put under the straps.? I am using pond liner rubber? now for mocking up. Hank------------------------------------------ On Wed, 4/8/15, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2015, 10:09 PM She's beautiful Hank. What's this ? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 8:12 PM ? ? ? Bob, ? I have not but I will, I need to clean up my ? shop first. :-(? it is a big mess. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome ? To: ? "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM ? ? That's excellent!? ? Did you post pictures? ? ? Bob ? ? Sent ? from ? my iPhone ? ? > On Apr 3, 2015, at ? 6:05 ? PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? > ? ? > My new bow ? dome is on and I can not ? believe how spectacular it is.? I ? can sit ? upright in the front of the sub and operate it from ? the front.? It is weird to look out because ? it is as if ? there is nothing there.? It is ? hard to explain.? I will ? build new? ? ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am ? back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style ? split tanks ? that vent from Gamma's ? original vent valve. ? > Hank ? > ? ? _______________________________________________ ? > Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 9 21:17:32 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 18:17:32 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome In-Reply-To: <43866154.3912719.1428628029820.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1428628652.27489.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alan, Yes that is Nuytco's sub that I mentioned or at least the same type. That is where I took the idea on how to tension the straps, :-) I thought the straps might be irritating to look past, but they are no bother. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/9/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 9:07 PM Hi Hank,just came across this vertically mounted bow dome that has straps. http://www.psubs.org/pic/youngmanta.html ? Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome Thanks' guys, Pete, this is Gamma with a face lift :-) Alan, I have looked at some subs with straps holding the dome, even at Nuytco.? Dr Phil's deep diving sub has straps, darn can't remember the name of it.? I am using straps because I don't trust my engineering to produce the retaining ring for a 180 degree dome.? There is not much angle for a ring to grab on a 180 degree dome.? As for leaking, I am using an EPDM 1mm gasket under the dome and the aluminum ring has an o ring in it against the reinforcing ring. The straps pull the dome down as tight as I want, so I feel good about it not leaking at the surface. I also have lifting eyes on the straps to help remove the assembly, it weighs 185 lbs.? I am still sorting out the rubber to put under the straps.? I am using pond liner rubber? now for mocking up. Hank------------------------------------------ On Wed, 4/8/15, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 8, 2015, 10:09 PM She's beautiful Hank. What's this ? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/3/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 8:12 PM ? ? ? Bob, ? I have not but I will, I need to clean up my ? shop first. :-(? it is a big mess. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Fri, 4/3/15, Bob Travis via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma bow dome ? To: ? "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Friday, April 3, 2015, 9:08 PM ? ? That's excellent!? ? Did you post pictures? ? ? Bob ? ? Sent ? from ? my iPhone ? ? > On Apr 3, 2015, at ? 6:05 ? PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? > ? ? > My new bow ? dome is on and I can not ? believe how spectacular it is.? I ? can sit ? upright in the front of the sub and operate it from ? the front.? It is weird to look out because ? it is as if ? there is nothing there.? It is ? hard to explain.? I will ? build new? ? ballast tanks in the next week or so and I am ? back in the water.? I am mounting Nemo style ? split tanks ? that vent from Gamma's ? original vent valve. ? > Hank ? > ? ? _______________________________________________ ? > Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Apr 12 13:32:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 10:32:03 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing Message-ID: <1428859923.39018.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Gamma will need two new opposing manipulators. I am wondering if it is possible to print the arm members. Is it practical? I am trying to create an almost weightless arm set up. Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Apr 12 13:46:09 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 13:46:09 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing In-Reply-To: <1428859923.39018.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1428859923.39018.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Hank, Generally speaking you are limited to relatively small pieces and they take a long time. It is of course not impossible, but most likely not the most efficient approach, at any rate with small printers like mine. Best, Alec On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Gamma will need two new opposing manipulators. I am wondering if it is > possible to print the arm members. Is it practical? I am trying to create > an almost weightless arm set up. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Apr 12 14:20:58 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:20:58 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1428862858.92058.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alec, Thanks' for putting that to bed. Perhaps machining parts from blocks of plastic. I have some experience machining plastic and it was a treat. Deep Rover has ABS pipe members with ss liners, the member is the cylinder, sweet. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 1:46 PM Hi Hank, Generally speaking you are limited to relatively small pieces and they take a long time. It is of course not impossible, but most likely not the most efficient approach, at any rate with small printers like mine.? Best, Alec On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Gamma will need two new opposing manipulators.? I am wondering if it is possible to print the arm members.? Is it practical?? I am trying to create an almost weightless arm set up. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Apr 12 14:34:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing In-Reply-To: <1428862858.92058.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1428862858.92058.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1974762658.1609285.1428863696029.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hank,what about adding syntactic foam to counter the weightor make the members out of fiberglass if you really want togo that way. Concur with Alec about printing. Have a friendwith a 3D printing business & he has been very negativeabout printing larger objects.His advice was it was much easier& reliable to CNC it out of a lump of plastic.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing Alec, Thanks' for putting that to bed.? Perhaps machining parts from blocks of plastic.? I have some experience machining plastic and it was a treat. Deep Rover has ABS pipe members with ss liners, the member is the cylinder, sweet. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 1:46 PM Hi Hank, Generally speaking you are limited to relatively small pieces and they take a long time. It is of course not impossible, but most likely not the most efficient approach, at any rate with small printers like mine.? Best, Alec On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Gamma will need two new opposing manipulators.? I am wondering if it is possible to print the arm members.? Is it practical?? I am trying to create an almost weightless arm set up. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Apr 12 14:45:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:45:02 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing In-Reply-To: <1974762658.1609285.1428863696029.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1428864302.52409.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alan, That is a good option, but it adds a step. I like the idea of machining out of a lump of plastic. This is a real opportunity to get creative. I like it! Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 2:34 PM Hank,what about adding syntactic foam to counter the weightor make the members out of fiberglass if you really want togo that way. Concur with Alec about printing. Have a friendwith a 3D printing business & he has been very negativeabout printing larger objects.His advice was it was much easier& reliable to CNC it out of a lump of plastic.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing Alec, Thanks' for putting that to bed.? Perhaps machining parts from blocks of plastic.? I have some experience machining plastic and it was a treat. Deep Rover has ABS pipe members with ss liners, the member is the cylinder, sweet. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 1:46 PM Hi Hank, Generally speaking you are limited to relatively small pieces and they take a long time. It is of course not impossible, but most likely not the most efficient approach, at any rate with small printers like mine.? Best, Alec On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Gamma will need two new opposing manipulators.? I am wondering if it is possible to print the arm members.? Is it practical?? I am trying to create an almost weightless arm set up. 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That is, normal re-meltable plasticwith fibers in it, as apposed to thermosetting composites (normal fiberglass)Is a lot stronger than just plastic. Haven't done my homework on price &machineability.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing Alan, That is a good option, but it adds a step.? I like the idea of machining out of a lump of plastic. This is a real opportunity to get creative.? I like it! Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 2:34 PM Hank,what about adding syntactic foam to counter the weightor make the members out of fiberglass if you really want togo that way. Concur with Alec about printing. Have a friendwith a 3D printing business & he has been very negativeabout printing larger objects.His advice was it was much easier& reliable to CNC it out of a lump of plastic.Alan ? ? ? ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 6:20 AM ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing ? Alec, Thanks' for putting that to bed.? Perhaps machining parts from blocks of plastic.? I have some experience machining plastic and it was a treat. Deep Rover has ABS pipe members with ss liners, the member is the cylinder, sweet. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 1:46 PM ? ? Hi ? Hank, ? Generally speaking you ? are limited to relatively small pieces and they take a long ? time. 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Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 2:34 PM Hank,what about adding syntactic foam to counter the weightor make the members out of fiberglass if you really want togo that way. Concur with Alec about printing. Have a friendwith a 3D printing business & he has been very negativeabout printing larger objects.His advice was it was much easier& reliable to CNC it out of a lump of plastic.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing Alec, Thanks' for putting that to bed.? Perhaps machining parts from blocks of plastic.? I have some experience machining plastic and it was a treat. Deep Rover has ABS pipe members with ss liners, the member is the cylinder, sweet. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 1:46 PM Hi Hank, Generally speaking you are limited to relatively small pieces and they take a long time. It is of course not impossible, but most likely not the most efficient approach, at any rate with small printers like mine.? Best, Alec On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Gamma will need two new opposing manipulators.? I am wondering if it is possible to print the arm members.? Is it practical?? I am trying to create an almost weightless arm set up. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Apr 12 21:35:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 21:35:00 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> Message-ID: <552B1D44.3000200@psubs.org> Now available from the PSUBS web site at WWW.PSUBS.ORG -> Design Tools -> 3D Printer Plans -> CO2 Scrubber Jon From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Apr 12 22:25:44 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber In-Reply-To: <552B1D44.3000200@psubs.org> References: <20150404140059.RSGB2.380237.root@dnvrco-web27> <69092673-AB54-42C2-8D72-4D7EC6E8D502@snyderemail.com> <552B1D44.3000200@psubs.org> Message-ID: <1233330023.1821681.1428891944754.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Jon,you're a legend.Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Printer plans for CO2 Scrubber Now available from the PSUBS web site at WWW.PSUBS.ORG -> Design Tools -> 3D Printer Plans -> CO2 Scrubber Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:45:02 -0700 Alan, That is a good option, but it adds a step.? I like the idea of machining out of a lump of plastic. This is a real opportunity to get creative.? I like it! Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 2:34 PM Hank,what about adding syntactic foam to counter the weightor make the members out of fiberglass if you really want togo that way. Concur with Alec about printing. Have a friendwith a 3D printing business & he has been very negativeabout printing larger objects.His advice was it was much easier& reliable to CNC it out of a lump of plastic.Alan ? ??? ? ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 6:20 AM ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing ??? Alec, Thanks' for putting that to bed.? Perhaps machining parts from blocks of plastic.? I have some experience machining plastic and it was a treat. Deep Rover has ABS pipe members with ss liners, the member is the cylinder, sweet. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/12/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] printing ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 1:46 PM ? ? Hi ? Hank, ? Generally speaking you ? are limited to relatively small pieces and they take a long ? time. It is of course not impossible, but most likely not ? the most efficient approach, at any rate with small printers ? like mine.? ? Best, ? ? Alec ? On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at ? 1:32 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? Gamma will need two new opposing manipulators.? I am wondering if ? it is possible to print the arm members.? Is it ? practical?? I am trying to create an almost weightless arm ? set up. ? ? Hank _______________________________________________ ? ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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Anyone know where this might be located? Anyone waterproofing their cabling by oil-compensation through a poly tube? If I remember correctly, Aquarius uses this method for the electrical wires to the lights and vacuum. Jon From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 16 16:46:52 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <552FA5DB.5070806@psubs.org> References: <552FA5DB.5070806@psubs.org> Message-ID: <129513374.5691768.1429217212309.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Jon,I noted that the lights on "I think" a dual DW at Nuytcohad oil in the wiring tubes to the lights, which were a clear plastic.I compensated a linear actuator & didn't strip the wires inside the potting.I filled it with WD40, & it just ran out between the epoxy & the wires whenI tipped it upside down. No pressure applied.?I think it was Hank that suggested untwisting the wires so the potting mix?can get around them. On the through hulls, Carsten & Emile are usingblue globe cable glands with one outside the hull & another inside fordouble security.Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 12:06 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull I think Emile had details of potting the minn-kota.? Anyone know where this might be located? Anyone waterproofing their cabling by oil-compensation through a poly tube?? If I remember correctly, Aquarius uses this method for the electrical wires to the lights and vacuum. Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 16 18:23:37 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 18:23:37 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <129513374.5691768.1429217212309.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <552FA5DB.5070806@psubs.org> <129513374.5691768.1429217212309.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55303669.9090009@psubs.org> Alan, The best approach is to use threaded rod with the potting, if possible. My question is probably better stated in the context of whether air trapped between a multi-wire cable and the surrounding sheath is an issue to be concerned about. Some cables have a good tight sheath but others such as CAT-5 is pretty sloppy. A potential concern of the blue globe gland since it seals around the cable sheath is what happens if the sheath gets damaged and cut underwater. Water pressure will allow creep to flow between the wires and sheath bypassing the gland. However the same would be true of a home-made potted penetrator as well. What type of inflow should we expect from such a breach? Minor? Jon On 4/16/2015 4:46 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Jon, > I noted that the lights on "I think" a dual DW at Nuytco > had oil in the wiring tubes to the lights, which were a clear plastic. > I compensated a linear actuator & didn't strip the wires inside the > potting. > I filled it with WD40, & it just ran out between the epoxy & the wires > when > I tipped it upside down. No pressure applied. > I think it was Hank that suggested untwisting the wires so the potting > mix > can get around them. On the through hulls, Carsten & Emile are using > blue globe cable glands with one outside the hull & another inside for > double security. > Alan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 12:06 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull > > > I think Emile had details of potting the minn-kota. Anyone know where > this might be located? > > Anyone waterproofing their cabling by oil-compensation through a poly > tube? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 16 18:58:45 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:58:45 +1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <55303669.9090009@psubs.org> References: <552FA5DB.5070806@psubs.org> <129513374.5691768.1429217212309.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <55303669.9090009@psubs.org> Message-ID: Hi Jon, I did an experiment with this recently for my underwater caving light: - Cable gland (no-name Chinese brass one, which I have since successful tested to 160m!) - 2-core (1mm2 I think) twisted pair cable with pretty solid sheath (ie. no air spaces), ~6mm/1/4" OD - External pressure: 80m water depth - Pressurising medium: air The cable didn't extrude or otherwise move, but the leakage through the wire strands was significant (ie. comfortably audible without being too loud, and slightly too much to blow bubbles in soapy water). I didn't measure it, but the flow would be less for water, and probably wouldn't be filling up your sub too quickly. Something to point out on the inside/outside cable glands is that the loading on them is much different with external vs internal pressure. Ie. for external all the force is compressing the fitting against the hull, whereas for internal the threaded section is in tension (and some are not very thick). I don't think typical cable glands are meant for internal pressure, but the Blue Globes are probably good for it. If anyone is interested, the cable glands I used and tested are these: http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6439871078.html?orderId=65381957659001 (the O rings are a bit average, and I doubt they would be much good for internal pressure, but otherwise shiny and good quality, with 100% success on sealing for 4 of them to 160m) Cheers, Steve On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan, > > The best approach is to use threaded rod with the potting, if possible. > My question is probably better stated in the context of whether air trapped > between a multi-wire cable and the surrounding sheath is an issue to be > concerned about. Some cables have a good tight sheath but others such as > CAT-5 is pretty sloppy. > > A potential concern of the blue globe gland since it seals around the > cable sheath is what happens if the sheath gets damaged and cut > underwater. Water pressure will allow creep to flow between the wires and > sheath bypassing the gland. However the same would be true of a home-made > potted penetrator as well. What type of inflow should we expect from such > a breach? Minor? > > Jon > > > > > On 4/16/2015 4:46 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jon, > I noted that the lights on "I think" a dual DW at Nuytco > had oil in the wiring tubes to the lights, which were a clear plastic. > I compensated a linear actuator & didn't strip the wires inside the > potting. > I filled it with WD40, & it just ran out between the epoxy & the wires when > I tipped it upside down. No pressure applied. > I think it was Hank that suggested untwisting the wires so the potting mix > can get around them. On the through hulls, Carsten & Emile are using > blue globe cable glands with one outside the hull & another inside for > double security. > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2015 12:06 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull > > > I think Emile had details of potting the minn-kota. Anyone know where > this might be located? > > Anyone waterproofing their cabling by oil-compensation through a poly > tube? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 17 04:29:14 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <55303669.9090009@psubs.org> References: <552FA5DB.5070806@psubs.org> <129513374.5691768.1429217212309.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <55303669.9090009@psubs.org> Message-ID: <210962120.6039469.1429259354718.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Jon,with the concern of the sheath being penetrated & water running down the wiring,I wonder if squirting a low viscosity glue like some of the locktite products, down thewiring from the point where you connect the wiring to the threaded rod, would help.Would need to be a flexible glue to deal with the flex of the wiring.There is a good section on hull penetrations in the Busby book in case you have overlooked that. On my ambient the motors are air compensated & I have the ambient air pressure from regulators& my wiring running down the same plastic hose. The wiring is potted inside a stainless tube with a?flange on it.?On one end of the tube is a barb connection to which the hose is connected. Thetube fits in to the blue globe cable gland & the tubes flange stops the tube from being forced throughthe cable gland under pressure. It is easy to just loosen the Blue Globe & pull the wiring out when needed.The blue globe part of the "blue globe" cable gland is unique & designed for pressure so beware of imitations.?Emile tested one to 3000psi.Cliff was going through this exercise with his Minnkotas. I wonder how he has progressed???Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Alan, The best approach is to use threaded rod with the potting, if possible.? My question is probably better stated in the context of whether air trapped between a multi-wire cable and the surrounding sheath is an issue to be concerned about.? Some cables have a good tight sheath but others such as CAT-5 is pretty sloppy. A potential concern of the blue globe gland since it seals around the cable sheath is what happens if the sheath gets damaged and cut underwater.? Water pressure will allow creep to flow between the wires and sheath bypassing the gland.? However the same would be true of a home-made potted penetrator as well.? What type of inflow should we expect from such a breach?? Minor? Jon On 4/16/2015 4:46 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, I noted that the lights on "I think" a dual DW at Nuytco had oil in the wiring tubes to the lights, which were a clear plastic. I compensated a linear actuator & didn't strip the wires inside the potting. I filled it with WD40, & it just ran out between the epoxy & the wires when I tipped it upside down. No pressure applied.? I think it was Hank that suggested untwisting the wires so the potting mix? can get around them. On the through hulls, Carsten & Emile are using blue globe cable glands with one outside the hull & another inside for double security. Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 12:06 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull I think Emile had details of potting the minn-kota.? Anyone know where this might be located? Anyone waterproofing their cabling by oil-compensation through a poly tube?? If I remember correctly, Aquarius uses this method for the electrical wires to the lights and vacuum. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 17 10:30:23 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 07:30:23 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <55303669.9090009@psubs.org> Message-ID: <1429281023.24272.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Jon, In my experience, water will make the wires turn black, it seems to not bother anything. Over time it likely is a problem. if your concerned, then make the penetrator using a barbed fitting with threaded rod and an oil filled hose. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/16/15, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, April 16, 2015, 6:23 PM Alan, The best approach is to use threaded rod with the potting, if possible.? My question is probably better stated in the context of whether air trapped between a multi-wire cable and the surrounding sheath is an issue to be concerned about.? Some cables have a good tight sheath but others such as CAT-5 is pretty sloppy. A potential concern of the blue globe gland since it seals around the cable sheath is what happens if the sheath gets damaged and cut underwater.? Water pressure will allow creep to flow between the wires and sheath bypassing the gland.? However the same would be true of a home-made potted penetrator as well.? What type of inflow should we expect from such a breach?? Minor? Jon On 4/16/2015 4:46 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, I noted that the lights on "I think" a dual DW at Nuytco had oil in the wiring tubes to the lights, which were a clear plastic. I compensated a linear actuator & didn't strip the wires inside the potting. I filled it with WD40, & it just ran out between the epoxy & the wires when I tipped it upside down. No pressure applied.? I think it was Hank that suggested untwisting the wires so the potting mix? can get around them. On the through hulls, Carsten & Emile are using blue globe cable glands with one outside the hull & another inside for double security. Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 12:06 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull I think Emile had details of potting the minn-kota.? Anyone know where this might be located? Anyone waterproofing their cabling by oil-compensation through a poly tube?? If I remember correctly, Aquarius uses this method for the electrical wires to the lights and vacuum. Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 17 11:35:30 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Seaquestor via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:35:30 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Message-ID: Hi Alan, I met a company at the UI in February that makes cables where the wires are in a sealed sheath, and the end is a pinned connection sealed in rubber. The thru hull fitting is oring sealed. I have sent him a complete schedule of cables for the SeaQuestor, which include, thrusters 36v, lights, comms, twisted pair, coax, and some sensor wires, to get pricing. My goal is no oil compensated wires. I'll share the results once I have them. Best Regards, David Colombo Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date: 04/17/2015 1:29 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Jon, with the concern of the sheath being penetrated & water running down the wiring, I wonder if squirting a low viscosity glue like some of the locktite products, down the wiring from the point where you connect the wiring to the threaded rod, would help. Would need to be a flexible glue to deal with the flex of the wiring. There is a good section on hull penetrations in the Busby book in case you have overlooked that. On my ambient the motors are air compensated & I have the ambient air pressure from regulators & my wiring running down the same plastic hose. The wiring is potted inside a stainless tube with a flange on it. On one end of the tube is a barb connection to which the hose is connected. The tube fits in to the blue globe cable gland & the tubes flange stops the tube from being forced through the cable gland under pressure. It is easy to just loosen the Blue Globe & pull the wiring out when needed. The blue globe part of the "blue globe" cable gland is unique & designed for pressure so beware of imitations. Emile tested one to 3000psi. Cliff was going through this exercise with his Minnkotas. I wonder how he has progressed??? Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Alan, The best approach is to use threaded rod with the potting, if possible. My question is probably better stated in the context of whether air trapped between a multi-wire cable and the surrounding sheath is an issue to be concerned about. Some cables have a good tight sheath but others such as CAT-5 is pretty sloppy. A potential concern of the blue globe gland since it seals around the cable sheath is what happens if the sheath gets damaged and cut underwater. Water pressure will allow creep to flow between the wires and sheath bypassing the gland. However the same would be true of a home-made potted penetrator as well. What type of inflow should we expect from such a breach? Minor? Jon On 4/16/2015 4:46 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, I noted that the lights on "I think" a dual DW at Nuytco had oil in the wiring tubes to the lights, which were a clear plastic. I compensated a linear actuator & didn't strip the wires inside the potting. I filled it with WD40, & it just ran out between the epoxy & the wires when I tipped it upside down. No pressure applied. I think it was Hank that suggested untwisting the wires so the potting mix can get around them. On the through hulls, Carsten & Emile are using blue globe cable glands with one outside the hull & another inside for double security. Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 12:06 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull I think Emile had details of potting the minn-kota. Anyone know where this might be located? Anyone waterproofing their cabling by oil-compensation through a poly tube? 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 13:18:11 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] help interpreting ABS rules Message-ID: <5533FF73.307@telus.net> I found a bit of time this weekend to work on the hull optimization software, and was just revisiting the "Overall Buckling Strength" calculation in Section 6/19.13 of the 2014 ABS Rules for Building and Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities, when I noticed the following: The limit pressure corresponding to the overall buckling mode between heavy support members is obtained from the following equation: Pn = (E*t/R)*A_1 + E*I*A_2/L*R^3 The section goes on to define some of those terms, but what caught my attention was the "I" in the second term of this equation. The nomenclature "I" does not distinguish between "I" for a heavy stiffener or a regular stiffener in the rules - it is contextual. Given the purpose of the section, I had assumed that it meant "I" for a heavy stiffener, but the term in question also contains the term "L", or distance between stiffeners, which is distinct from "L_c", or distance between heavy stiffeners, leading to some ambiguity. If the second term is a correction for stiffness of the section in between heavy stiffeners, the "I" could very well be the "I" for a regular stiffener in between, but it isn't clear to me. Thoughts? Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Apr 20 03:29:35 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:29:35 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <552FA5DB.5070806@psubs.org> Message-ID: Jon, Potting is okay but I switched to a pressure proof Delrin/ POM isolator. Brass contacts are pressed in a Delrin bushing. On the outside sealed with a 0-ring. See attachment Main advantage is that it is dismountable. BTW. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Apr 20 16:14:42 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 20:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <210962120.6039469.1429259354718.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <210962120.6039469.1429259354718.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1844814175.394655.1429560882178.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Alan, I have been making some progress on the Minnn-Kota 101 thruster project.?The modified thrusters (added Kort Nozzle, Subconn ?electrical penetrator and pressure compensation port.? To see photos go to??http://www.psubs.org/,? then hit projects and photos section, on the projects page under find at the top of this page, change from submersible to research and hit search.? The photos are listed under MK-101 thruster. The thrusters are ready to go on the boat but I am in the process of repainting the exterior and interior due to hull mods and then I have to put everything back together.? I hope to be back in the water this summer.? Still need to do some performance testing of the thrusters. Cliff From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Jon,with the concern of the sheath being penetrated & water running down the wiring,I wonder if squirting a low viscosity glue like some of the locktite products, down thewiring from the point where you connect the wiring to the threaded rod, would help.Would need to be a flexible glue to deal with the flex of the wiring.There is a good section on hull penetrations in the Busby book in case you have overlooked that. On my ambient the motors are air compensated & I have the ambient air pressure from regulators& my wiring running down the same plastic hose. The wiring is potted inside a stainless tube with a?flange on it.?On one end of the tube is a barb connection to which the hose is connected. Thetube fits in to the blue globe cable gland & the tubes flange stops the tube from being forced throughthe cable gland under pressure. It is easy to just loosen the Blue Globe & pull the wiring out when needed.The blue globe part of the "blue globe" cable gland is unique & designed for pressure so beware of imitations.?Emile tested one to 3000psi.Cliff was going through this exercise with his Minnkotas. I wonder how he has progressed???Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Alan, The best approach is to use threaded rod with the potting, if possible.? My question is probably better stated in the context of whether air trapped between a multi-wire cable and the surrounding sheath is an issue to be concerned about.? Some cables have a good tight sheath but others such as CAT-5 is pretty sloppy. A potential concern of the blue globe gland since it seals around the cable sheath is what happens if the sheath gets damaged and cut underwater.? Water pressure will allow creep to flow between the wires and sheath bypassing the gland.? However the same would be true of a home-made potted penetrator as well.? What type of inflow should we expect from such a breach?? Minor? Jon On 4/16/2015 4:46 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, I noted that the lights on "I think" a dual DW at Nuytco had oil in the wiring tubes to the lights, which were a clear plastic. I compensated a linear actuator & didn't strip the wires inside the potting. I filled it with WD40, & it just ran out between the epoxy & the wires when I tipped it upside down. No pressure applied.? I think it was Hank that suggested untwisting the wires so the potting mix? can get around them. On the through hulls, Carsten & Emile are using blue globe cable glands with one outside the hull & another inside for double security. Alan From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 12:06 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull I think Emile had details of potting the minn-kota.? Anyone know where this might be located? Anyone waterproofing their cabling by oil-compensation through a poly tube?? If I remember correctly, Aquarius uses this method for the electrical wires to the lights and vacuum. 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They are perfect for Gamma and light weight. They cost 100 dollars each, Sweet! I should be back in the water in two weeks. Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Apr 20 21:26:20 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:26:20 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] test Message-ID: <1429579580.21742.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> testing testing From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 04:47:25 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 09:47:25 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber Message-ID: Hi all, Im rigging up my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing air up and I have a hose at the top that directs scrubbed air into the tower. All im going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the hose. With the fan off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the scrubber? Plus im thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some sort of particulate filter to stop dust? How it is now without a mouthpiece. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm Any suggestions? Many thanks James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 14:38:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 13:38:48 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ttest-2 In-Reply-To: <1324788086.1724991.1429640225200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1324788086.1724991.1429640225200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Got this Cliff Redus > On Apr 21, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ttest-2 > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 15:08:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 15:08:02 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] help interpreting ABS rules Message-ID: <5536A012.5080302@psubs.org> Given that there is copious distinction throughout the document differentiating heavy and non-heavy stiffeners, it could be that non-distinction in the definitions of equation variables means application to both. I notice that none of the variable definitions referencing stiffeners differentiates between heavy or non-heavy. What is the effect in the equation of assuming "I" refers to all stiffeners? Jon +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SEAN STEVENSON WROTE: I found a bit of time this weekend to work on the hull optimization software, and was just revisiting the "Overall Buckling Strength" calculation in Section 6/19.13 of the 2014 ABS Rules for Building and Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities, when I noticed the following: The limit pressure corresponding to the overall buckling mode between heavy support members is obtained from the following equation: Pn = (E*t/R)*A_1 + E*I*A_2/L*R^3 The section goes on to define some of those terms, but what caught my attention was the "I" in the second term of this equation. The nomenclature "I" does not distinguish between "I" for a heavy stiffener or a regular stiffener in the rules - it is contextual. Given the purpose of the section, I had assumed that it meant "I" for a heavy stiffener, but the term in question also contains the term "L", or distance between stiffeners, which is distinct from "L_c", or distance between heavy stiffeners, leading to some ambiguity. If the second term is a correction for stiffness of the section in between heavy stiffeners, the "I" could very well be the "I" for a regular stiffener in between, but it isn't clear to me. Thoughts? Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 15:22:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <1844814175.394655.1429560882178.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <210962120.6039469.1429259354718.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1844814175.394655.1429560882178.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23175436.1419979.1429644176785.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Jon, I have been making some progress on my Minnn-Kota 101 thruster project.?The modified thrusters (added Kort Nozzle, Subconn ?electrical penetrator and pressure compensation port).? To see photos go to??http://www.psubs.org/,? then hit projects and photos section, on the projects page under find at the top of this page, change from submersible to research and hit search.? The photos are listed under MK-101 thruster. The thrusters are ready to go on the boat but I am in the process of repainting the exterior and interior due to hull mods?and then I have to put everything back together.? I hope to be back in the water this summer.? Still need to do some performance testing of the thrusters. Cliff Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile:??830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Alec On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Jon, > Cliff's done a great job with the Minn kota thrusters, > here's the easy link. > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1237684922/mk-101thruster/ > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:26 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mailing List Operational again > > > The mailing list has been down for a few days but should be operational > again. If you sent mail on or after April 17, 2015 it did not get > posted to the list. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 18:52:46 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 18:52:46 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fwd: [Member-Forum] 2015 Convention: ISR/Navy Visitor Registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I meant to send, as a reminder... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steve McQueen via Member-Forum Date: Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:14 AM Subject: [Member-Forum] 2015 Convention: ISR/Navy Visitor Registration To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org>, PSUBS Member Discussion Group < member-forum at psubs.org> All, if you are planning on attending this year's PSUB convention please act on this request as *there is a 5/19/15 hard deadline*. Not sure if you going? Register anyway before the deadline. I can cancel you later if needed. We need to use the International Submarine Race's registration process (as well as the one we may do internally for PSUB). This early deadline is because we are entering a naval facility and interacting with their security process. Here is a link to the registration page: http://www.onlineregistrationcenter.com/ISR13 It is a 2 step process but the instructions are very good. 1) Fill out the on-line registration process 2) Print/complete forms 5.2 and 5.5, sign and mail to the directed address Any questions or issues feel free to contact me. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Member-Forum mailing list Member-Forum at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/member-forum -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 19:19:38 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:19:38 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Message-ID: <24ed5vebhsh5i3sxxarly9yr.1429658378619@email.android.com> Hey everyone, A update to my progress building a deep diver. Katy and I dived to 2250 feet with Karl Stanley today in Roatan Honduras down the cayman trench. I have learned so much from him! I am deffenetly comfortable welding HY-100 now and feel good about everything I need to do. I highly reccomend going diving with a experienced person such as him. His knowledge has given me a huge leap forward on building this deep diver. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 19:37:37 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 23:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update In-Reply-To: <24ed5vebhsh5i3sxxarly9yr.1429658378619@email.android.com> References: <24ed5vebhsh5i3sxxarly9yr.1429658378619@email.android.com> Message-ID: <217395353.1981090.1429659457984.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Wow that's fantastic, you two must be part of an exclusive fewgoing to that depth. Glad you survived; I seem to remembersuggesting that trip.Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hey everyone,A update to my progress building a deep diver. Katy and I dived to 2250 feet with Karl Stanley today in Roatan Honduras down the cayman trench. I have learned so much from him! I am deffenetly comfortable welding HY-100 now and feel good about everything I need to do. I highly reccomend going diving with a experienced person such as him. His knowledge has given me a huge leap forward on building this deep diver.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 19:48:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:48:03 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] help interpreting ABS rules In-Reply-To: <5536A012.5080302@psubs.org> References: <5536A012.5080302@psubs.org> Message-ID: <516782a6-fb8b-4742-bd2d-a7f5369b0708@email.android.com> "I" is calculated differently for non-heavy stiffeners (19.15.1(d)) than for heavy stiffeners (19.15.2(d)). It is entirely contextual as to which "I" to use. Sean On April 21, 2015 1:08:02 PM MDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >Given that there is copious distinction throughout the document >differentiating heavy and non-heavy stiffeners, it could be that >non-distinction in the definitions of equation variables means >application to both. I notice that none of the variable definitions >referencing stiffeners differentiates between heavy or non-heavy. What >is the effect in the equation of assuming "I" refers to all stiffeners? > >Jon > > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >SEAN STEVENSON WROTE: > >I found a bit of time this weekend to work on the hull optimization >software, and was just revisiting the "Overall Buckling Strength" >calculation in Section 6/19.13 of the 2014 ABS Rules for Building and >Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities, when I >noticed the following: > >The limit pressure corresponding to the overall buckling mode between >heavy support members is obtained from the following equation: > >Pn = (E*t/R)*A_1 + E*I*A_2/L*R^3 > >The section goes on to define some of those terms, but what caught my >attention was the "I" in the second term of this equation. The >nomenclature "I" does not distinguish between "I" for a heavy stiffener >or a regular stiffener in the rules - it is contextual. Given the >purpose of the section, I had assumed that it meant "I" for a heavy >stiffener, but the term in question also contains the term "L", or >distance between stiffeners, which is distinct from "L_c", or distance >between heavy stiffeners, leading to some ambiguity. If the second >term >is a correction for stiffness of the section in between heavy >stiffeners, the "I" could very well be the "I" for a regular stiffener >in between, but it isn't clear to me. > >Thoughts? > >Sean > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 20:48:35 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 20:48:35 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] help interpreting ABS rules In-Reply-To: <516782a6-fb8b-4742-bd2d-a7f5369b0708@email.android.com> References: <5536A012.5080302@psubs.org> <516782a6-fb8b-4742-bd2d-a7f5369b0708@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5536EFE3.5050808@psubs.org> Ok, missed the section on calculating "I". I looked at the doc more tonight and it seems to me that your original conclusion of using Heavy Stiffeners is correct. Section 19.11 defines Heavy Stiffeners as the stiffeners to be used for purposes of checking overall buckling performance. Section 19.13 requires "heavy support members" which I believe equates to "Heavy Stiffeners". In Section 19.15.2, Lc is used to calculate "I". Doesn't this all point to using 19.15.2 to calculate "I" ? Jon On 4/21/2015 7:48 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > "I" is calculated differently for non-heavy stiffeners (19.15.1(d)) > than for heavy stiffeners (19.15.2(d)). It is entirely contextual as > to which "I" to use. > > Sean > > > > On April 21, 2015 1:08:02 PM MDT, Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Given that there is copious distinction throughout the document differentiating heavy and non-heavy stiffeners, it could be that non-distinction in the definitions of equation variables means application to both. I notice that none of the variable definitions referencing stiffeners differentiates between heavy or non-heavy. What is the effect in the equation of assuming "I" refers to all stiffeners? > > Jon > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > SEAN STEVENSON WROTE: > > I found a bit of time this weekend to work on the hull optimization > software, and was just revisiting the "Overall Buckling Strength" > calculation in Section 6/19.13 of the 2014 ABS Rules for Building and > Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities, when I > noticed the following: > > The limit pressure corresponding to the overall buckling mode between > heavy support members is obtained from the following > equation: > > Pn = (E*t/R)*A_1 + E*I*A_2/L*R^3 > > The section goes on to define some of those terms, but what caught my > attention was the "I" in the second term of this equation. The > nomenclature "I" does not distinguish between "I" for a heavy stiffener > or a regular stiffener in the rules - it is contextual. Given the > purpose of the section, I had assumed that it meant "I" for a heavy > stiffener, but the term in question also contains the term "L", or > distance between stiffeners, which is distinct from "L_c", or distance > between heavy stiffeners, leading to some ambiguity. If the second term > is a correction for stiffness of the section in between heavy > stiffeners, the "I" could very well be the "I" for a regular stiffener > in between, but it isn't clear to me. > > Thoughts? > > Sean > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glad you survived; I seem to remember > suggesting that trip. > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* psubs > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:19 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update > > Hey everyone, > A update to my progress building a deep diver. Katy and I dived to 2250 > feet with Karl Stanley today in Roatan Honduras down the cayman trench. I > have learned so much from him! I am deffenetly comfortable welding HY-100 > now and feel good about everything I need to do. I highly reccomend going > diving with a experienced person such as him. His knowledge has given me a > huge leap forward on building this deep diver. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -- Med Vennlig Hilsen / Regards *Andr? Eriksen* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 20:54:22 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:54:22 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1429664062.50700.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, Well done, what an experience! Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/21/15, Andr? Eriksen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 8:49 PM Hi Scott, I went diving with Karl two years ago. A great experience, and you`re right; Karl sure knows his stuff.? Made this video from our stay at Roatan (the submarinepart is in the end)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYgGOE2h1M How deep are you going with your new sub? -Andr? 2015-04-22 1:37 GMT+02:00 Alan James via Personal_Submersibles : Wow that's fantastic, you two must be part of an exclusive fewgoing to that depth. Glad you survived; I seem to remembersuggesting that trip.Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hey everyone,A update to my progress building a deep diver. Katy and I dived to 2250 feet with Karl Stanley today in Roatan Honduras down the cayman trench. I have learned so much from him! I am deffenetly comfortable welding HY-100 now and feel good about everything I need to do. I highly reccomend going diving with a experienced person such as him. His knowledge has given me a huge leap forward on building this deep diver.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -- Med Vennlig Hilsen / RegardsAndr? Eriksen -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Apr 21 21:53:32 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:53:32 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Message-ID: I am planning on a minimum of 1000 meters (3,300 feet). If I can get my hands on the right materials I would like to make it deeper. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/21/2015 6:54 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Cc: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hi Scott, Well done, what an experience! Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/21/15, Andr? Eriksen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 8:49 PM Hi Scott, I went diving with Karl two years ago. A great experience, and you`re right; Karl sure knows his stuff. Made this video from our stay at Roatan (the submarinepart is in the end)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYgGOE2h1M How deep are you going with your new sub? -Andr? 2015-04-22 1:37 GMT+02:00 Alan James via Personal_Submersibles : Wow that's fantastic, you two must be part of an exclusive fewgoing to that depth. Glad you survived; I seem to remembersuggesting that trip.Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hey everyone,A update to my progress building a deep diver. Katy and I dived to 2250 feet with Karl Stanley today in Roatan Honduras down the cayman trench. I have learned so much from him! I am deffenetly comfortable welding HY-100 now and feel good about everything I need to do. I highly reccomend going diving with a experienced person such as him. His knowledge has given me a huge leap forward on building this deep diver.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -- Med Vennlig Hilsen / RegardsAndr? 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I looked at the doc more tonight and it seems to me that your original conclusion of using Heavy Stiffeners is correct. Section 19.11 defines Heavy Stiffeners as the stiffeners to be used for purposes of checking overall buckling performance. Section 19.13 requires "heavy support members" which I believe equates to "Heavy Stiffeners". In Section 19.15.2, Lc is used to calculate "I". Doesn't this all point to using 19.15.2 to calculate "I" ? Jon On 4/21/2015 7:48 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: "I" is calculated differently for non-heavy stiffeners (19.15.1(d)) than for heavy stiffeners (19.15.2(d)). It is entirely contextual as to which "I" to use. Sean On April 21, 2015 1:08:02 PM MDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Given that there is copious distinction throughout the document differentiating heavy and non-heavy stiffeners, it could be that non-distinction in the definitions of equation variables means application to both. I notice that none of the variable definitions referencing stiffeners differentiates between heavy or non-heavy. What is the effect in the equation of assuming "I" refers to all stiffeners? Jon +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SEAN STEVENSON WROTE: I found a bit of time this weekend to work on the hull optimization software, and was just revisiting the "Overall Buckling Strength" calculation in Section 6/19.13 of the 2014 ABS Rules for Building and Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities, when I noticed the following: The limit pressure corresponding to the overall buckling mode between heavy support members is obtained from the following equation: Pn = (E*t/R)*A_1 + E*I*A_2/L*R^3 The section goes on to define some of those terms, but what caught my attention was the "I" in the second term of this equation. The nomenclature "I" does not distinguish between "I" for a heavy stiffener or a regular stiffener in the rules - it is contextual. Given the purpose of the section, I had assumed that it meant "I" for a heavy stiffener, but the term in question also contains the term "L", or distance between stiffeners, which is distinct from "L_c", or distance between heavy stiffeners, leading to some ambiguity. If the second term is a correction for stiffness of the section in between heavy stiffeners, the "I" could very well be the "I" for a regular stiffener in between, but it isn't clear to me. Thoughts? Sean _____ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 01:17:36 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 22:17:36 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009701d07cbb$a5e6f690$f1b4e3b0$@telus.net> Hey Scott, Sounds like a terrific experience. Can we expect some photos and videos soon so that we can all vicariously enjoy the thrill? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: April-21-15 6:54 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update I am planning on a minimum of 1000 meters (3,300 feet). If I can get my hands on the right materials I would like to make it deeper. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:04/21/2015 6:54 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Cc: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hi Scott, Well done, what an experience! Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/21/15, Andr? Eriksen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 8:49 PM Hi Scott, I went diving with Karl two years ago. A great experience, and you`re right; Karl sure knows his stuff. Made this video from our stay at Roatan (the submarinepart is in the end)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYgGOE2h1M How deep are you going with your new sub? -Andr? 2015-04-22 1:37 GMT+02:00 Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >: Wow that's fantastic, you two must be part of an exclusive fewgoing to that depth. Glad you survived; I seem to remembersuggesting that trip.Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" > To: psubs > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hey everyone,A update to my progress building a deep diver. Katy and I dived to 2250 feet with Karl Stanley today in Roatan Honduras down the cayman trench. I have learned so much from him! I am deffenetly comfortable welding HY-100 now and feel good about everything I need to do. I highly reccomend going diving with a experienced person such as him. His knowledge has given me a huge leap forward on building this deep diver.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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I have one of > Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing air up and I have a > hose at the top that directs scrubbed air into the tower. > > All i'm going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the hose. > > With the fan off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the > scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the scrubber? > > Plus im thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some sort of > particulate filter to stop dust? > > How it is now without a mouthpiece. > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm > > Any suggestions? > > Many thanks > James > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone know where this might be located? Anyone waterproofing their cabling by oil-compensation through a poly tube? If I remember correctly, Aquarius uses this method for the electrical wires to the lights and vacuum. Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Thruster-penetrator.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 9075 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 02:09:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:09:56 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: James, Blowing is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air through the scrubber. Air exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 april 2015 23:20 Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. Hi all, Im rigging up my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing air up and I have a hose at the top that directs scrubbed air into the tower. All i'm going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the hose. With the fan off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the scrubber? Plus im thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some sort of particulate filter to stop dust? How it is now without a mouthpiece. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm Any suggestions? Many thanks James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am thinking you could make carbon?fiber roughs this way & send them off to be machined.Cheers Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Jon, I have been making some progress on my Minnn-Kota 101 thruster project.?The modified thrusters (added Kort Nozzle, Subconn ?electrical penetrator and pressure compensation port).? To see photos go to??http://www.psubs.org/,? then hit projects and photos section, on the projects page under find at the top of this page, change from submersible to research and hit search.? The photos are listed under MK-101 thruster. The thrusters are ready to go on the boat but I am in the process of repainting the exterior and interior due to hull mods?and then I have to put everything back together.? I hope to be back in the water this summer.? Still need to do some performance testing of the thrusters. Cliff Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile:??830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 03:27:27 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:27:27 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <4489326.2207699.1429686096679.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan, The better Scuba dive scooters have also nice Kort nozzles in various diameters. Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 9:02 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Cliff, there was a thread a while back on making kort nozzles, how did the machine shop make yours? Was it a block of nylon they machined them out of or did they mold the nylon to a rough shape & machine that? I made mine by finding a suitable bucket, wrapping fiber glass around the bucket then finishing by hand. I am thinking you could make carbon fiber roughs this way & send them off to be machined. Cheers Alan _____ From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Jon, I have been making some progress on my Minnn-Kota 101 thruster project. The modified thrusters (added Kort Nozzle, Subconn electrical penetrator and pressure compensation port). To see photos go to http://www.psubs.org/, then hit projects and photos section, on the projects page under find at the top of this page, change from submersible to research and hit search. The photos are listed under MK-101 thruster. The thrusters are ready to go on the boat but I am in the process of repainting the exterior and interior due to hull mods and then I have to put everything back together. I hope to be back in the water this summer. Still need to do some performance testing of the thrusters. Cliff Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile: 830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 04:37:01 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:37:01 +1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: References: <4489326.2207699.1429686096679.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They are also pretty cheap: http://www.dive-xtras.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=95&idcategory=9 Cheers, Steve On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alan, > > > > The better Scuba dive scooters have also nice Kort nozzles in various > diameters. > > > > Emile > > > ------------------------------ > > *Van:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *Namens *Alan James via > Personal_Submersibles > *Verzonden:* woensdag 22 april 2015 9:02 > *Aan:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion > *Onderwerp:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull > > > > Cliff, > > there was a thread a while back on making kort nozzles, > > how did the machine shop make yours? Was it a block of nylon > > they machined them out of or did they mold the nylon to a rough > > shape & machine that? > > I made mine by finding a suitable bucket, wrapping fiber glass around > > the bucket then finishing by hand. I am thinking you could make carbon > > fiber roughs this way & send them off to be machined. > > Cheers Alan > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:22 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull > > > > > > Jon, I have been making some progress on my Minnn-Kota 101 thruster > project. The modified thrusters (added Kort Nozzle, Subconn electrical > penetrator and pressure compensation port). To see photos go to > http://www.psubs.org/, then hit projects and photos section, on the > projects page under find at the top of this page, change from submersible > to research and hit search. The photos are listed under MK-101 thruster. > > > > The thrusters are ready to go on the boat but I am in the process of > repainting the exterior and interior due to hull mods and then I have to > put everything back together. I hope to be back in the water this summer. > Still need to do some performance testing of the thrusters. > > > > Cliff > > > > > > Cliff Redus > Redus Engineering > USA mobile: 830-931-1280 > cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 04:42:55 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:42:55 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Exhale it is. I'll give it a test. Thanks guys. Antoine, did you send a picture? I didn't get it. Thanks James On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > James, > > > > Blowing is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air through > the scrubber. > > Air exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! > > > > > > Emile > > > ------------------------------ > > *Van:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *Namens *James Frankland via > Personal_Submersibles > *Verzonden:* dinsdag 21 april 2015 23:20 > *Aan:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. > > > > Hi all, > > > > Im rigging up my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one of > Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing air up and I have a > hose at the top that directs scrubbed air into the tower. > > > > All i'm going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the hose. > > > > With the fan off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the > scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the scrubber? > > > > Plus im thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some sort of > particulate filter to stop dust? > > > > How it is now without a mouthpiece. > > > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm > > > > Any suggestions? > > Many thanks > > James > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 04:53:13 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 10:53:13 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi James, no I have not yet, but you ll find pictures on the Pilot Fish Project facebook page, March 10th post. I have a scrubber made from Emile, and as Emile said, when you exhale through it the reaction is much more efficient. You may or may not need an intermediate counterlung to buffer the flow, depending on the breathing resistance. regards, antoine On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:42 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Exhale it is. I'll give it a test. Thanks guys. > > Antoine, did you send a picture? I didn't get it. > Thanks > James > > On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> James, >> >> >> >> Blowing is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air through >> the scrubber. >> >> Air exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! >> >> >> >> >> >> Emile >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *Van:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *Namens *James Frankland via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 21 april 2015 23:20 >> *Aan:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Im rigging up my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one >> of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing air up and I have >> a hose at the top that directs scrubbed air into the tower. >> >> >> >> All i'm going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the hose. >> >> >> >> With the fan off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the >> scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the scrubber? >> >> >> >> Plus im thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some sort >> of particulate filter to stop dust? >> >> >> >> How it is now without a mouthpiece. >> >> >> >> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm >> >> >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Many thanks >> >> James >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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An off the shelf Kort nozzle may be a nice simple solution.Alan From: Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull #yiv3325450724 #yiv3325450724 -- _filtered #yiv3325450724 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3325450724 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv3325450724 #yiv3325450724 p.yiv3325450724MsoNormal, #yiv3325450724 li.yiv3325450724MsoNormal, #yiv3325450724 div.yiv3325450724MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv3325450724 a:link, #yiv3325450724 span.yiv3325450724MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3325450724 a:visited, #yiv3325450724 span.yiv3325450724MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3325450724 span.yiv3325450724E-mailStijl17 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered #yiv3325450724 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt;}#yiv3325450724 div.yiv3325450724Section1 {}#yiv3325450724 Alan, ? The better Scuba divescooters have also nice Kort nozzles in various diameters. ? Emile ? Van:Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 20159:02 Aan: Personal Submersibles GeneralDiscussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]minn-kota cabling to hull ? Cliff, therewas a thread a while back on making kort nozzles, howdid the machine shop make yours? Was it a block of nylon? theymachined them out of or did they mold the nylon to a rough shape& machine that? Imade mine by finding a suitable bucket, wrapping fiber glass around? thebucket then finishing by hand. I am thinking you could make carbon? fiberroughs this way & send them off to be machined. CheersAlan ? From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles GeneralDiscussion Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 20157:22 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]minn-kota cabling to hull ? ? Jon,I have been making some progress on my Minnn-Kota 101 thrusterproject.?The modified thrusters (added Kort Nozzle, Subconn?electrical penetrator and pressure compensation port).? To seephotos go to??http://www.psubs.org/,?then hit projects and photos section, on the projects page under find at thetop of this page, change from submersible to research and hit search.? Thephotos are listed under MK-101 thruster. ? Thethrusters are ready to go on the boat but I am in the process of repainting theexterior and interior due to hull mods?and then I have to put everythingback together.? I hope to be back in the water this summer.? Stillneed to do some performance testing of the thrusters. ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 05:07:23 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update In-Reply-To: References: <24ed5vebhsh5i3sxxarly9yr.1429658378619@email.android.com> <217395353.1981090.1429659457984.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <75733044.2215290.1429693643790.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Andre, you did a great job on that Rotan video.Made me want to go there.Alan From: Andr? Eriksen via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hi Scott, I went diving with Karl two years ago. A great experience, and you`re right; Karl sure knows his stuff.? Made this video from our stay at Roatan (the submarinepart is in the end)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYgGOE2h1M How deep are you going with your new sub? -Andr? 2015-04-22 1:37 GMT+02:00 Alan James via Personal_Submersibles : Wow that's fantastic, you two must be part of an exclusive fewgoing to that depth. Glad you survived; I seem to remembersuggesting that trip.Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hey everyone,A update to my progress building a deep diver. Katy and I dived to 2250 feet with Karl Stanley today in Roatan Honduras down the cayman trench. I have learned so much from him! I am deffenetly comfortable welding HY-100 now and feel good about everything I need to do. I highly reccomend going diving with a experienced person such as him. His knowledge has given me a huge leap forward on building this deep diver.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -- Med Vennlig Hilsen / RegardsAndr? Eriksen _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 22 April 2015 at 09:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi James, > > no I have not yet, but you ll find pictures on the Pilot Fish Project > facebook page, March 10th post. > > I have a scrubber made from Emile, and as Emile said, when you exhale > through it the reaction is much more efficient. > You may or may not need an intermediate counterlung to buffer the flow, > depending on the breathing resistance. > > regards, > antoine > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:42 AM, James Frankland via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Exhale it is. I'll give it a test. Thanks guys. >> >> Antoine, did you send a picture? I didn't get it. >> Thanks >> James >> >> On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> James, >>> >>> >>> >>> Blowing is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air through >>> the scrubber. >>> >>> Air exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Emile >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *Van:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >>> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *Namens *James Frankland via >>> Personal_Submersibles >>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 21 april 2015 23:20 >>> *Aan:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>> *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Im rigging up my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one >>> of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing air up and I have >>> a hose at the top that directs scrubbed air into the tower. >>> >>> >>> >>> All i'm going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the hose. >>> >>> >>> >>> With the fan off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the >>> scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the scrubber? >>> >>> >>> >>> Plus im thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some sort >>> of particulate filter to stop dust? >>> >>> >>> >>> How it is now without a mouthpiece. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Many thanks >>> >>> James >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 9:02 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Cliff, there was a thread a while back on making kort nozzles, how did the machine shop make yours? Was it a block of nylon they machined them out of or did they mold the nylon to a rough shape & machine that? I made mine by finding a suitable bucket, wrapping fiber glass around the bucket then finishing by hand. I am thinking you could make carbon fiber roughs this way & send them off to be machined. Cheers Alan _____ From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Jon, I have been making some progress on my Minnn-Kota 101 thruster project. The modified thrusters (added Kort Nozzle, Subconn electrical penetrator and pressure compensation port). To see photos go to http://www.psubs.org/, then hit projects and photos section, on the projects page under find at the top of this page, change from submersible to research and hit search. The photos are listed under MK-101 thruster. The thrusters are ready to go on the boat but I am in the process of repainting the exterior and interior due to hull mods and then I have to put everything back together. I hope to be back in the water this summer. Still need to do some performance testing of the thrusters. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi James, There is a fan inside the scrubber at the base, but it also work without turning the fan on. We see several advantages in the full manual mode: power saving, robust in case of power failure, and also better scrubbing. regards, Antoine On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:13 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Ahhh, hi Antoine. Sorry, I didn't realise it was you the Pilot fish guy. > Ive seen the pics of the scrubber with the counter lung. Is there a fan or > anything drawing the air through or is that all manual? > > On 22 April 2015 at 09:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi James, >> >> no I have not yet, but you ll find pictures on the Pilot Fish Project >> facebook page, March 10th post. >> >> I have a scrubber made from Emile, and as Emile said, when you exhale >> through it the reaction is much more efficient. >> You may or may not need an intermediate counterlung to buffer the flow, >> depending on the breathing resistance. >> >> regards, >> antoine >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:42 AM, James Frankland via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> Exhale it is. I'll give it a test. Thanks guys. >>> >>> Antoine, did you send a picture? I didn't get it. >>> Thanks >>> James >>> >>> On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> James, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Blowing is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air through >>>> the scrubber. >>>> >>>> Air exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Emile >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *Van:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >>>> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *Namens *James Frankland via >>>> Personal_Submersibles >>>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 21 april 2015 23:20 >>>> *Aan:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>>> *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Im rigging up my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one >>>> of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing air up and I have >>>> a hose at the top that directs scrubbed air into the tower. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> All i'm going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the hose. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> With the fan off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the >>>> scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the scrubber? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Plus im thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some sort >>>> of particulate filter to stop dust? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How it is now without a mouthpiece. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Many thanks >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 07:11:21 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:11:21 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok thanks. Im going to do some experiments at the weekend. On 22 April 2015 at 11:28, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi James, > > There is a fan inside the scrubber at the base, but it also work without > turning the fan on. We see several advantages in the full manual mode: > power saving, robust in case of power failure, and also better scrubbing. > > regards, > Antoine > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:13 AM, James Frankland via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Ahhh, hi Antoine. Sorry, I didn't realise it was you the Pilot fish >> guy. Ive seen the pics of the scrubber with the counter lung. Is there a >> fan or anything drawing the air through or is that all manual? >> >> On 22 April 2015 at 09:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi James, >>> >>> no I have not yet, but you ll find pictures on the Pilot Fish Project >>> facebook page, March 10th post. >>> >>> I have a scrubber made from Emile, and as Emile said, when you exhale >>> through it the reaction is much more efficient. >>> You may or may not need an intermediate counterlung to buffer the flow, >>> depending on the breathing resistance. >>> >>> regards, >>> antoine >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:42 AM, James Frankland via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> Exhale it is. I'll give it a test. Thanks guys. >>>> >>>> Antoine, did you send a picture? I didn't get it. >>>> Thanks >>>> James >>>> >>>> On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> James, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Blowing is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air >>>>> through the scrubber. >>>>> >>>>> Air exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Emile >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *Van:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >>>>> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *Namens *James Frankland via >>>>> Personal_Submersibles >>>>> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 21 april 2015 23:20 >>>>> *Aan:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Im rigging up my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have >>>>> one of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing air up and I >>>>> have a hose at the top that directs scrubbed air into the tower. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All i'm going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the hose. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With the fan off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the >>>>> scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the scrubber? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Plus im thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some >>>>> sort of particulate filter to stop dust? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How it is now without a mouthpiece. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 07:32:45 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 04:32:45 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1429702365.92419.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> James, It is funny, I was just about to ask the same question. When I saw Alec's mouth piece arrangement, I figured I better get on that so I also ordered a mouth piece. My question now is, will you have a check valve to make it easier. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/22/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 7:11 AM Ok thanks.? Im going to do some experiments at the weekend. On 22 April 2015 at 11:28, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi James, ? There is a fan inside the scrubber at the base, but it also work without turning the fan on. We see several advantages in the full manual mode: power saving, robust in case of power failure, and also better scrubbing. ? regards, Antoine On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:13 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Ahhh, hi Antoine.? Sorry, I didn't realise it was you the Pilot fish guy.? Ive seen the pics of the scrubber with the counter lung.? Is there a fan or anything drawing the air through or is that all manual? On 22 April 2015 at 09:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi James, ? no I have not yet, but?you ll?find?pictures?on the Pilot Fish Project facebook page, March 10th post. ? I have a scrubber made from Emile, and as Emile said,?when you exhale through it the reaction is much more efficient. You may or may not need an intermediate?counterlung to buffer the flow, depending on the breathing resistance. ? regards, antoine On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:42 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Exhale it is.? I'll give it a test.? Thanks guys.? ? Antoine, did you send a picture?? I didn't get it. Thanks James On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: James, ? Blowing is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air through the scrubber. Air exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! ? ? Emile ? Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 april 2015 23:20 Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. ? Hi all, ? Im rigging up my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use.? I have one of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing air up and I have a hose at the top that directs scrubbed air into the tower.? ? All i'm going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the hose. ? With the fan off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the scrubber?? or blowing exhaled air into the scrubber? ? Plus im thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some sort of particulate filter to stop dust? ? How it is now without a mouthpiece. ? http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm ? Any suggestions? Many thanks James _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 07:50:12 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 04:50:12 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount Message-ID: <1429703412.98548.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I had a design problem with my AL dome seat. I had the strap assembly bolted to the AL seat only, and that was a mistake. After installing the dome assembly on the sub I double checked the fit and found that when I tighten the straps the Al seat was distorting. I am not very experienced working with large AL material and did not realize how Whimpy it is. I corrected this by drilling through the AL and into the 2in thick reinforcing ring and installing studs. Now the strap assembly pulls from the steel ring. I simply tighten the strap assembly until I see an even impression in the EPDM gasket. I am now reassembling Gamma, I am excited to get back in the water and try out my dome. Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 09:04:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 14:04:00 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. In-Reply-To: <1429702365.92419.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1429702365.92419.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Hank, I'll test it first with just a pipe but yes, a mask of some sort would be best. Ive been googling but haven't found anything suitable so far. Lots of masks available but they all seem to work the wrong way. ie breath in through a tube and breath out into the fresh air. We need fresh air in, breath out down the tube. Should be simple enough. I made one once for welding in a tight space out of a couple of snorkel valves stuck together. Ive got a WW2 gas mask that is perfect. It has 2 pipes, one in, one out that you can connect to whatever you want, but I think id look a bit of a wally with it on! On 22 April 2015 at 12:32, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > James, > It is funny, I was just about to ask the same question. When I saw Alec's > mouth piece arrangement, I figured I better get on that so I also ordered a > mouth piece. My question now is, will you have a check valve to make it > easier. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 4/22/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 7:11 AM > > Ok > thanks. Im going to do some experiments at the > weekend. > On 22 April 2015 at 11:28, > Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote: > Hi > James, > > There is a fan inside the scrubber at the base, but it > also work without turning the fan on. We see several > advantages in the full manual mode: power saving, robust in > case of power failure, and also better scrubbing. > > regards, > Antoine > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 > at 11:13 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote: > > > Ahhh, hi Antoine. Sorry, I didn't > realise it was you the Pilot fish guy. Ive seen the pics > of the scrubber with the counter lung. Is there a fan or > anything drawing the air through or is that all > manual? > > > > > On 22 April 2015 at > 09:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote: > > > Hi James, > > no I have not yet, but you ll find pictures on the > Pilot Fish Project facebook page, March 10th post. > > I have a scrubber made from Emile, and as Emile > said, when you exhale through it the reaction is much more > efficient. > You may or may not need an intermediate counterlung to > buffer the flow, depending on the breathing > resistance. > > regards, > antoine > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 > at 10:42 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote: > > > > Exhale it is. I'll give it a test. Thanks > guys. > > Antoine, did you send a picture? I didn't get > it. > Thanks > James > > > > > On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > > > > James, > > Blowing > is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air > through the scrubber. > Air > exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! > > > Emile > > > > > > Van: > Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens James > Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 > april 2015 23:20 > Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Onderwerp: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual > Scrubber. > > > > > > Hi > all, > > > > Im rigging up > my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one > of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing > air up and I have a hose at the top that directs scrubbed > air into the tower. > > > > All i'm > going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the > hose. > > > > With the fan > off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the > scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the > scrubber? > > > > Plus im > thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some > sort of particulate filter to stop > dust? > > > > How it is now > without a mouthpiece. > > > > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm > > > > Any > suggestions? > > Many > thanks > > James > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 09:14:10 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:14:10 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. In-Reply-To: References: <1429702365.92419.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi James, As we planned to use the manual mode quite a lot on Pilot Fish sub, we looked at this issue in detail and I tested various ways: 1-simple snorchel without check valve: you breathe in from the nose and exhale from the mouth. very simple actually, if your breathing skills are not yet there, after a few hours they will. I think if you are looking at emergency set, this should be enough 2-rebreather mushroom valve with mouth piece: very heavy, needs to be hanged inside the sub. Rebreather mouth piece are hard to find. 3-rebreather mushroom valve with medical type mouth+nose cover: not tested yet. I expect less tiring. regards Antoine On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Hank, > > I'll test it first with just a pipe but yes, a mask of some sort would be > best. Ive been googling but haven't found anything suitable so far. Lots > of masks available but they all seem to work the wrong way. ie breath in > through a tube and breath out into the fresh air. We need fresh air in, > breath out down the tube. Should be simple enough. > > I made one once for welding in a tight space out of a couple of snorkel > valves stuck together. > > Ive got a WW2 gas mask that is perfect. It has 2 pipes, one in, one out > that you can connect to whatever you want, but I think id look a bit of a > wally with it on! > > On 22 April 2015 at 12:32, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> >> James, >> It is funny, I was just about to ask the same question. When I saw >> Alec's mouth piece arrangement, I figured I better get on that so I also >> ordered a mouth piece. My question now is, will you have a check valve to >> make it easier. >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Wed, 4/22/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 7:11 AM >> >> Ok >> thanks. Im going to do some experiments at the >> weekend. >> On 22 April 2015 at 11:28, >> Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> wrote: >> Hi >> James, >> >> There is a fan inside the scrubber at the base, but it >> also work without turning the fan on. We see several >> advantages in the full manual mode: power saving, robust in >> case of power failure, and also better scrubbing. >> >> regards, >> Antoine >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 >> at 11:13 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> Ahhh, hi Antoine. Sorry, I didn't >> realise it was you the Pilot fish guy. Ive seen the pics >> of the scrubber with the counter lung. Is there a fan or >> anything drawing the air through or is that all >> manual? >> >> >> >> >> On 22 April 2015 at >> 09:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi James, >> >> no I have not yet, but you ll find pictures on the >> Pilot Fish Project facebook page, March 10th post. >> >> I have a scrubber made from Emile, and as Emile >> said, when you exhale through it the reaction is much more >> efficient. >> You may or may not need an intermediate counterlung to >> buffer the flow, depending on the breathing >> resistance. >> >> regards, >> antoine >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 >> at 10:42 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Exhale it is. I'll give it a test. Thanks >> guys. >> >> Antoine, did you send a picture? I didn't get >> it. >> Thanks >> James >> >> >> >> >> On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via >> Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> James, >> >> Blowing >> is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air >> through the scrubber. >> Air >> exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! >> >> >> Emile >> >> >> >> >> >> Van: >> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] >> Namens James >> Frankland via Personal_Submersibles >> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 >> april 2015 23:20 >> Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> Onderwerp: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual >> Scrubber. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi >> all, >> >> >> >> Im rigging up >> my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one >> of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing >> air up and I have a hose at the top that directs scrubbed >> air into the tower. >> >> >> >> All i'm >> going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the >> hose. >> >> >> >> With the fan >> off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the >> scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the >> scrubber? >> >> >> >> Plus im >> thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some >> sort of particulate filter to stop >> dust? >> >> >> >> How it is now >> without a mouthpiece. >> >> >> >> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm >> >> >> >> Any >> suggestions? >> >> Many >> thanks >> >> James >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 09:26:44 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:26:44 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount In-Reply-To: <1429703412.98548.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Which Alu? Yield varies from 100 to 450 N/mm2 AW 5083 or Anodised AW6082 is the best for domerings in my opinion. Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 13:50 Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount I had a design problem with my AL dome seat. I had the strap assembly bolted to the AL seat only, and that was a mistake. After installing the dome assembly on the sub I double checked the fit and found that when I tighten the straps the Al seat was distorting. I am not very experienced working with large AL material and did not realize how Whimpy it is. I corrected this by drilling through the AL and into the 2in thick reinforcing ring and installing studs. Now the strap assembly pulls from the steel ring. I simply tighten the strap assembly until I see an even impression in the EPDM gasket. I am now reassembling Gamma, I am excited to get back in the water and try out my dome. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 09:46:51 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 07:46:51 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Message-ID: <25vc6y4sj93t8d58y0v25eqm.1429710411962@email.android.com> Yea. When I get back to the states, I will load some pictures up. The internet is choppy here in Honduras Thanks, Scott Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/21/2015 11:17 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Cc: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hey Scott, Sounds like a terrific experience. Can we expect some photos and videos soon so that we can all vicariously enjoy the thrill? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: April-21-15 6:54 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update I am planning on a minimum of 1000 meters (3,300 feet). If I can get my hands on the right materials I would like to make it deeper. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/21/2015 6:54 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Cc: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hi Scott, Well done, what an experience! Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/21/15, Andr? Eriksen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 8:49 PM Hi Scott, I went diving with Karl two years ago. A great experience, and you`re right; Karl sure knows his stuff. Made this video from our stay at Roatan (the submarinepart is in the end)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYgGOE2h1M How deep are you going with your new sub? -Andr? 2015-04-22 1:37 GMT+02:00 Alan James via Personal_Submersibles : Wow that's fantastic, you two must be part of an exclusive fewgoing to that depth. Glad you survived; I seem to remembersuggesting that trip.Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep dive update Hey everyone,A update to my progress building a deep diver. Katy and I dived to 2250 feet with Karl Stanley today in Roatan Honduras down the cayman trench. I have learned so much from him! I am deffenetly comfortable welding HY-100 now and feel good about everything I need to do. I highly reccomend going diving with a experienced person such as him. His knowledge has given me a huge leap forward on building this deep diver.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 10:52:19 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 14:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <4489326.2207699.1429686096679.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4489326.2207699.1429686096679.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1603056299.2072056.1429714339685.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?Alan, the machine shop sourced a nylon cylindrical block that they cut into two sections.? Used CNC machine center?to shape.? Surface finish came out very nice.? The issue on making these? Kort nozzles to me is unit volume.? If there was enough volume, then we could design an injection mold and make these dirt cheap but making a mold in not easy nor cheap.? I sent a drawing of the kort nozzle to Vance a while back and he was talking with his machine shop on different ways to make the nozzle.? He to was looking into doing a FRP layup.?? The key to making a kort nozzle efficient is? having the correct interior and exterior?curved profiles (along with the right prop).? So to me if you had access to a lathe, you could do a FRP layup of a ring and turn the profiles.? You could also layup female molds and either do layup on these or try and cast them.? For me it was easier to send the STEP file to my world class machinist and let him CNC the parts.? As to material, after looking at a bunch of different metals and plastics, I ended up going with nylon.? It machines?good, ?has good dimensional strength and does not imbibe a lot water and does not require any final coating as is not bad on cost and they could supply it in black.?Looked at 6061-T6 aluminum or 7071.? My machinist raves about? 7071 says it?machines very nicely and is stronger.? I did not go with aluminum for the R300 upgrade because of the weight vs nylon and I would have to anodize or powder coat.? Alec has be doing a lot of work lately on his rapid prototyping.? Maybe he could comment on materials and if these kort nozzles?could be fabricate on?equipment like his. Cliff? ? Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile:??830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Cliff,there was a thread a while back on making kort nozzles,how did the machine shop make yours? Was it a block of nylon?they machined them out of or did they mold the nylon to a roughshape & machine that?I made mine by finding a suitable bucket, wrapping fiber glass around?the bucket then finishing by hand. I am thinking you could make carbon?fiber roughs this way & send them off to be machined.Cheers Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Jon, I have been making some progress on my Minnn-Kota 101 thruster project.?The modified thrusters (added Kort Nozzle, Subconn ?electrical penetrator and pressure compensation port).? To see photos go to??http://www.psubs.org/,? then hit projects and photos section, on the projects page under find at the top of this page, change from submersible to research and hit search.? The photos are listed under MK-101 thruster. The thrusters are ready to go on the boat but I am in the process of repainting the exterior and interior due to hull mods?and then I have to put everything back together.? I hope to be back in the water this summer.? Still need to do some performance testing of the thrusters. Cliff Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile:??830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 12:48:40 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 04:48:40 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <1603056299.2072056.1429714339685.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4489326.2207699.1429686096679.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1603056299.2072056.1429714339685.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D4F3608-A64D-4523-A826-2E48761F2258@yahoo.com> Cliff, Machining from a solid block seems expensive. just had a quick google & there is nylon tube available in dimensions that could be machined into a kort nozzle. ie one there is 600 OD 430 ID & 600mm long. http://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/material_tolerances_and_weights/nylon-6-tube-availability-tolerances-and-weights.pdf Down toward the bottom of the pdf you get in to the more suitable dimensions. You have probably finished all of yours, but this may be an option for others dependant on price. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 23/04/2015, at 2:52 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, the machine shop sourced a nylon cylindrical block that they cut into two sections. Used CNC machine center to shape. Surface finish came out very nice. The issue on making these Kort nozzles to me is unit volume. If there was enough volume, then we could design an injection mold and make these dirt cheap but making a mold in not easy nor cheap. I sent a drawing of the kort nozzle to Vance a while back and he was talking with his machine shop on different ways to make the nozzle. He to was looking into doing a FRP layup. The key to making a kort nozzle efficient is having the correct interior and exterior curved profiles (along with the right prop). So to me if you had access to a lathe, you could do a FRP layup of a ring and turn the profiles. You could also layup female molds and either do layup on these or try and cast them. For me it was easier to send the STEP file to my world class machinist and let him CNC the parts. > > As to material, after looking at a bunch of different metals and plastics, I ended up going with nylon. It machines good, has good dimensional strength and does not imbibe a lot water and does not require any final coating as is not bad on cost and they could supply it in black. Looked at 6061-T6 aluminum or 7071. My machinist raves about 7071 says it machines very nicely and is stronger. I did not go with aluminum for the R300 upgrade because of the weight vs nylon and I would have to anodize or powder coat. > > Alec has be doing a lot of work lately on his rapid prototyping. Maybe he could comment on materials and if these kort nozzles could be fabricate on equipment like his. > > Cliff > > > > > > > > Cliff Redus > Redus Engineering > USA mobile: 830-931-1280 > cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 2:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull > > Cliff, > there was a thread a while back on making kort nozzles, > how did the machine shop make yours? Was it a block of nylon > they machined them out of or did they mold the nylon to a rough > shape & machine that? > I made mine by finding a suitable bucket, wrapping fiber glass around > the bucket then finishing by hand. I am thinking you could make carbon > fiber roughs this way & send them off to be machined. > Cheers Alan > > > > From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:22 AM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull > > > Jon, I have been making some progress on my Minnn-Kota 101 thruster project. The modified thrusters (added Kort Nozzle, Subconn electrical penetrator and pressure compensation port). To see photos go to http://www.psubs.org/, then hit projects and photos section, on the projects page under find at the top of this page, change from submersible to research and hit search. The photos are listed under MK-101 thruster. > > The thrusters are ready to go on the boat but I am in the process of repainting the exterior and interior due to hull mods and then I have to put everything back together. I hope to be back in the water this summer. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 12:49:22 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:49:22 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5537D112.7010902@psubs.org> Emile, I like the idea of pressing brass rods into the delrin to avoid epoxy but in my case I am not using motors with a thrust tube. I've got fixed motors using a thru-hull (see attachment) that requires a penetrator-type cable. I'd have to either have a head on the delrin on the high pressure side or perhaps threaded on both ends to "bolt" it in position. But the bigger issue would still be sealing the cable sheath which would either require epoxy or the blueglobe gland. The blueglobe doesn't sound like it stops creeping of the cable due to external pressure though and would require taking Alan's approach of epoxying the cable in a tube with a head, then passing that tube through the blueglobe to prevent pressure creep of the cable into the cabin. It would be nice to get away from epoxy completely but I'm not sure it's possible in my kind of configuration. By the way, blueglobe documentation states a maximum pressure of 15 bar. Do you believe this is conservative based upon your own testing? Jon On 4/22/2015 2:06 AM, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Jon, > > (resend massage) > > Potting is okay but I switched to a pressure proof Delrin/ POM isolator. > Brass contacts are pressed in a Delrin bushing. On the outside sealed with a > 0-ring in the thrusters tube. See attachment Main advantage is that it is > dismountable. > BTW. I used the Rhino as they have a all metal construction > > > Regards, Emile > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Capture-th.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 26232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 12:51:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:51:48 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK 101 shaft thread Message-ID: <5537D1A4.1000906@psubs.org> I know somebody out there must have this info...what's the size and thread of the shaft that fits into the MK101 motor head? Jon From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 13:07:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 10:07:56 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1429722476.22420.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Emile, I am pulling pretty hard on the straps because the dome is 150 lbs on its own. Also I am relying on the EPDM to seal at the surface. I could have put more bolts in the AL ring also but this way I don't have to worry about pulling the treads out of the AL. I used the AL you suggested when I asked James. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/22/15, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 9:26 AM Which Alu? Yield varies from 100 to 450 N/mm2 AW 5083 or Anodised AW6082 is the best for domerings in my opinion. Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 13:50 Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount I had a design problem with my AL dome seat.? I had the strap assembly bolted to the AL seat only, and that was a mistake.? After installing the dome assembly on the sub I double checked the fit and found that when I tighten the straps the Al seat was distorting.? I am not very experienced working with large AL material and did not realize how Whimpy it is.? I corrected this by drilling through the AL and into the 2in thick reinforcing ring and installing studs.? Now the strap assembly pulls from the steel ring.? I simply tighten the strap assembly until I see an even impression in the EPDM gasket.? I am now reassembling Gamma, I am excited to get back in the water and try out my dome. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 14:02:08 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:02:08 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <5537D112.7010902@psubs.org> Message-ID: Jon, Can be about the same construction. The cable sheat is indeed a issue. I sealed that with RTV. Not on drawing. Can be also done with a low pressure cable gland. 15 Bar for the Blueglobe is conservative or a high safety factor. They fail single at 80 Bar and back to back (in penplate) at 140 Bar. Failure mode is sliding inwards so even no leak then, Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 18:49 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull Emile, I like the idea of pressing brass rods into the delrin to avoid epoxy but in my case I am not using motors with a thrust tube. I've got fixed motors using a thru-hull (see attachment) that requires a penetrator-type cable. I'd have to either have a head on the delrin on the high pressure side or perhaps threaded on both ends to "bolt" it in position. But the bigger issue would still be sealing the cable sheath which would either require epoxy or the blueglobe gland. The blueglobe doesn't sound like it stops creeping of the cable due to external pressure though and would require taking Alan's approach of epoxying the cable in a tube with a head, then passing that tube through the blueglobe to prevent pressure creep of the cable into the cabin. It would be nice to get away from epoxy completely but I'm not sure it's possible in my kind of configuration. By the way, blueglobe documentation states a maximum pressure of 15 bar. Do you believe this is conservative based upon your own testing? Jon On 4/22/2015 2:06 AM, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Jon, > > (resend massage) > > Potting is okay but I switched to a pressure proof Delrin/ POM isolator. > Brass contacts are pressed in a Delrin bushing. On the outside sealed with a > 0-ring in the thrusters tube. See attachment Main advantage is that it is > dismountable. > BTW. I used the Rhino as they have a all metal construction > > > Regards, Emile > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 231_Sternthruster_E_penetratorV3.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 14751 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 14:18:46 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 18:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK 101 shaft thread In-Reply-To: <5537D1A4.1000906@psubs.org> References: <5537D1A4.1000906@psubs.org> Message-ID: <324168437.2237490.1429726726879.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Jon the shaft on the MK-101 is 1/2" diameter nominal (0.495" actual)?with?a threaded stud on the end that?has a?UNF 3/8-24 thread.? Cliff Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile:??830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:51 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK 101 shaft thread I know somebody out there must have this info...what's the size and thread of the shaft that fits into the MK101 motor head? Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 15:54:18 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 15:54:18 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5537FC6A.3020701@psubs.org> That might be the compromise I'm looking for. Thanks. On 4/22/2015 2:02 PM, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Jon, > > Can be about the same construction. The cable sheat is indeed a issue. I > sealed that with RTV. Not on drawing. Can be also done with a low pressure > cable gland. > 15 Bar for the Blueglobe is conservative or a high safety factor. They fail > single at 80 Bar and back to back (in penplate) at 140 Bar. Failure mode is > sliding inwards so even no leak then, > > Emile > > > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 22 21:11:43 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 21:11:43 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK 101 shaft thread In-Reply-To: <324168437.2237490.1429726726879.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5537D1A4.1000906@psubs.org> <324168437.2237490.1429726726879.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think maybe Jon is asking about the mounting shaft as opposed to the prop shaft. Jon, that's 1 1/8" X 18 straight thread. Best, Alec On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Jon the shaft on the MK-101 is 1/2" diameter nominal (0.495" > actual) with a threaded stud on the end that has a UNF 3/8-24 thread. > > > Cliff > > > > > > Cliff Redus > Redus Engineering > USA mobile: 830-931-1280 > cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:51 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] MK 101 shaft thread > > > I know somebody out there must have this info...what's the size and > thread of the shaft that fits into the MK101 motor head? > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon, that's 1 1/8" X 18 straight thread. > > Best, > > Alec > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Jon the shaft on the MK-101 is 1/2" diameter nominal (0.495" > actual) with a threaded stud on the end that has a UNF 3/8-24 thread. > > > Cliff > > > > > > Cliff Redus > Redus Engineering > USA mobile: 830-931-1280 > cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 23 04:51:46 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:51:46 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount In-Reply-To: <1429722476.22420.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1429722476.22420.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Hank, How was the alu ring attached to the 2" reinforcing ring before you added the studs? I think its time for some picture updates on your page... :) Kind Regards James On 22 April 2015 at 18:07, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Emile, > I am pulling pretty hard on the straps because the dome is 150 lbs on its > own. Also I am relying on the EPDM to seal at the surface. I could have > put more bolts in the AL ring also but this way I don't have to worry about > pulling the treads out of the AL. I used the AL you suggested when I asked > James. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 4/22/15, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 9:26 AM > > Which Alu? Yield varies > from 100 to 450 N/mm2 > AW 5083 or Anodised > AW6082 is the best for domerings in my opinion. > > Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 13:50 > Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount > > I had a design problem with my > AL dome seat. I had the strap assembly > bolted to the AL seat only, and that was a > mistake. After installing the > dome > assembly on the sub I double checked the fit and found that > when I > tighten the straps the Al seat was > distorting. I am not very experienced > working with large AL material and did not > realize how Whimpy it is. I > corrected this > by drilling through the AL and into the 2in thick > reinforcing > ring and installing studs. Now > the strap assembly pulls from the steel > ring. I simply tighten the strap assembly > until I see an even impression in > the EPDM > gasket. I am now reassembling Gamma, I am excited to get > back in > the water and try out my dome. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 23 05:23:01 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:23:01 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. In-Reply-To: References: <1429702365.92419.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Antoine. Im going to make a mask using 2x ordinary snorkel valves glued to a suitable mask. I made one before and it worked fine. Nice and simple. Mask, bit of glue and job done. Will post a pic when I finish it. Regards James On 22 April 2015 at 14:14, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi James, > > As we planned to use the manual mode quite a lot on Pilot Fish sub, we > looked at this issue in detail and I tested various ways: > 1-simple snorchel without check valve: you breathe in from the nose and > exhale from the mouth. > very simple actually, if your breathing skills are not yet there, after a > few hours they will. I think if you are looking at emergency set, this > should be enough > 2-rebreather mushroom valve with mouth piece: very heavy, needs to be > hanged inside the sub. Rebreather mouth piece are hard to find. > 3-rebreather mushroom valve with medical type mouth+nose cover: not tested > yet. I expect less tiring. > > regards > Antoine > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >> Hi Hank, >> >> I'll test it first with just a pipe but yes, a mask of some sort would be >> best. Ive been googling but haven't found anything suitable so far. Lots >> of masks available but they all seem to work the wrong way. ie breath in >> through a tube and breath out into the fresh air. We need fresh air in, >> breath out down the tube. Should be simple enough. >> >> I made one once for welding in a tight space out of a couple of snorkel >> valves stuck together. >> >> Ive got a WW2 gas mask that is perfect. It has 2 pipes, one in, one out >> that you can connect to whatever you want, but I think id look a bit of a >> wally with it on! >> >> On 22 April 2015 at 12:32, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> James, >>> It is funny, I was just about to ask the same question. When I saw >>> Alec's mouth piece arrangement, I figured I better get on that so I also >>> ordered a mouth piece. My question now is, will you have a check valve to >>> make it easier. >>> Hank-------------------------------------------- >>> On Wed, 4/22/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual Scrubber. >>> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 7:11 AM >>> >>> Ok >>> thanks. Im going to do some experiments at the >>> weekend. >>> On 22 April 2015 at 11:28, >>> Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> wrote: >>> Hi >>> James, >>> >>> There is a fan inside the scrubber at the base, but it >>> also work without turning the fan on. We see several >>> advantages in the full manual mode: power saving, robust in >>> case of power failure, and also better scrubbing. >>> >>> regards, >>> Antoine >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 >>> at 11:13 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Ahhh, hi Antoine. Sorry, I didn't >>> realise it was you the Pilot fish guy. Ive seen the pics >>> of the scrubber with the counter lung. Is there a fan or >>> anything drawing the air through or is that all >>> manual? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 April 2015 at >>> 09:53, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi James, >>> >>> no I have not yet, but you ll find pictures on the >>> Pilot Fish Project facebook page, March 10th post. >>> >>> I have a scrubber made from Emile, and as Emile >>> said, when you exhale through it the reaction is much more >>> efficient. >>> You may or may not need an intermediate counterlung to >>> buffer the flow, depending on the breathing >>> resistance. >>> >>> regards, >>> antoine >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 >>> at 10:42 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Exhale it is. I'll give it a test. Thanks >>> guys. >>> >>> Antoine, did you send a picture? I didn't get >>> it. >>> Thanks >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 April 2015 at 07:09, Emile van Essen via >>> Personal_Submersibles >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> James, >>> >>> Blowing >>> is the best . You exhale warm , moist, and CO2 rich air >>> through the scrubber. >>> Air >>> exits with almost 0 % CO2 ! >>> >>> >>> Emile >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Van: >>> Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] >>> Namens James >>> Frankland via Personal_Submersibles >>> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 >>> april 2015 23:20 >>> Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>> Onderwerp: >>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manual >>> Scrubber. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Im rigging up >>> my scrubber with a mouthpiece for manual use. I have one >>> of Emile's scrubbers so the fan is at the bottom pushing >>> air up and I have a hose at the top that directs scrubbed >>> air into the tower. >>> >>> >>> >>> All i'm >>> going to do is attach a mouthpiece to the end of the >>> hose. >>> >>> >>> >>> With the fan >>> off, should I be breathing in, sucking air through the >>> scrubber? or blowing exhaled air into the >>> scrubber? >>> >>> >>> >>> Plus im >>> thinking that if im breathing in, I should maybe have some >>> sort of particulate filter to stop >>> dust? >>> >>> >>> >>> How it is now >>> without a mouthpiece. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/Extended_files/Page24298.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> Any >>> suggestions? >>> >>> Many >>> thanks >>> >>> James >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 23 08:01:14 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 05:01:14 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1429790474.38774.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi James, The Alu ring is bolted to the steel ring with 8, 3/8 fine thread bolts. More bolts may have prevented the distortion. The studs cured the problem perfectly. Also the dome is secured better in the case of an over pressure. I will change the studs to grade 8. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/23/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, April 23, 2015, 4:51 AM Hi Hank,How was the alu ring attached to the 2" reinforcing ring before you added the studs?? I think its time for some picture updates on your page... :)?Kind RegardsJames On 22 April 2015 at 18:07, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Emile, I am pulling pretty hard on the straps because the dome is 150 lbs on its own.? Also I am relying on the EPDM to seal at the surface.? I could have put more bolts in the AL ring also but this way I don't have to worry about pulling the treads out of the AL.? I used the AL you suggested when I asked James. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/22/15, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount ?To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ?Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 9:26 AM ?Which Alu? Yield varies ?from 100 to 450 N/mm2 ?AW 5083 or Anodised ?AW6082 is the best for domerings in my opinion. ?Emile ?-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- ?Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] ?Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ?Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 13:50 ?Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ?Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount ?I had a design problem with my ?AL dome seat.? I had the strap assembly ?bolted to the AL seat only, and that was a ?mistake.? After installing the ?dome ?assembly on the sub I double checked the fit and found that ?when I ?tighten the straps the Al seat was ?distorting.? I am not very experienced ?working with large AL material and did not ?realize how Whimpy it is.? I ?corrected this ?by drilling through the AL and into the 2in thick ?reinforcing ?ring and installing studs.? Now ?the strap assembly pulls from the steel ?ring.? I simply tighten the strap assembly ?until I see an even impression in ?the EPDM ?gasket.? I am now reassembling Gamma, I am excited to get ?back in ?the water and try out my dome. ?Hank ?_______________________________________________ ?Personal_Submersibles mailing list ?Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ?http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?_______________________________________________ ?Personal_Submersibles mailing list ?Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ?http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 23 08:22:39 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 05:22:39 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ballast tank Message-ID: <1429791759.52377.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I mounted the first new ballast tank yesterday, I am using water softener tanks. The tanks are real cheap and best of all, very light. The tanks are approx. 20 imperial gallons each 12 in dia and 48 in long with hemi ends. If I were building a K sub, I would 4 of these on, stability would improve and no burping out air. Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 23 11:15:54 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 16:15:54 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ballast tank In-Reply-To: <1429791759.52377.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1429791759.52377.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I wish i'd made my tanks like that. Winter modification planned to change mine. On 23 April 2015 at 13:22, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I mounted the first new ballast tank yesterday, I am using water softener > tanks. The tanks are real cheap and best of all, very light. The tanks > are approx. 20 imperial gallons each 12 in dia and 48 in long with hemi > ends. > If I were building a K sub, I would 4 of these on, stability would improve > and no burping out air. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 23 11:24:23 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 16:24:23 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount In-Reply-To: <1429790474.38774.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1429790474.38774.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Hank, You could have made a hatch arrangement so you could remove the dome from inside. Mine is like that and I think Emile's as well. I like the idea of having 2 ways out! But then you have security against overpressure. "Swings and Roundabouts" as they say. On 23 April 2015 at 13:01, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi James, > The Alu ring is bolted to the steel ring with 8, 3/8 fine thread bolts. > More bolts may have prevented the distortion. The studs cured the problem > perfectly. Also the dome is secured better in the case of an over > pressure. I will change the studs to grade 8. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 4/23/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Thursday, April 23, 2015, 4:51 AM > > Hi > Hank,How was the alu ring attached to the 2" > reinforcing ring before you added the studs? I think its > time for some picture updates on your page... > :) Kind > RegardsJames > On 22 April 2015 at 18:07, > hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > Emile, > > I am pulling pretty hard on the straps because the dome is > 150 lbs on its own. Also I am relying on the EPDM to seal > at the surface. I could have put more bolts in the AL ring > also but this way I don't have to worry about pulling > the treads out of the AL. I used the AL you suggested when > I asked James. > > Hank-------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 4/22/15, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount > > To: "'Personal Submersibles General > Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 9:26 AM > > > > Which Alu? Yield varies > > from 100 to 450 N/mm2 > > AW 5083 or Anodised > > AW6082 is the best for domerings in my opinion. > > > > Emile > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > > Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 13:50 > > Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount > > > > I had a design problem with my > > AL dome seat. I had the strap assembly > > bolted to the AL seat only, and that was a > > mistake. After installing the > > dome > > assembly on the sub I double checked the fit and found > that > > when I > > tighten the straps the Al seat was > > distorting. I am not very experienced > > working with large AL material and did not > > realize how Whimpy it is. I > > corrected this > > by drilling through the AL and into the 2in thick > > reinforcing > > ring and installing studs. Now > > the strap assembly pulls from the steel > > ring. I simply tighten the strap assembly > > until I see an even impression in > > the EPDM > > gasket. I am now reassembling Gamma, I am excited to > get > > back in > > the water and try out my dome. > > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 22 April 2015 at 19:02, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Jon, > > Can be about the same construction. The cable sheat is indeed a issue. I > sealed that with RTV. Not on drawing. Can be also done with a low pressure > cable gland. > 15 Bar for the Blueglobe is conservative or a high safety factor. They fail > single at 80 Bar and back to back (in penplate) at 140 Bar. Failure mode > is > sliding inwards so even no leak then, > > Emile > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org > ] > Namens Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 18:49 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull > > Emile, > > I like the idea of pressing brass rods into the delrin to avoid epoxy > but in my case I am not using motors with a thrust tube. I've got fixed > motors using a thru-hull (see attachment) that requires a > penetrator-type cable. I'd have to either have a head on the delrin on > the high pressure side or perhaps threaded on both ends to "bolt" it in > position. But the bigger issue would still be sealing the cable sheath > which would either require epoxy or the blueglobe gland. The blueglobe > doesn't sound like it stops creeping of the cable due to external > pressure though and would require taking Alan's approach of epoxying the > cable in a tube with a head, then passing that tube through the > blueglobe to prevent pressure creep of the cable into the cabin. > > It would be nice to get away from epoxy completely but I'm not sure it's > possible in my kind of configuration. By the way, blueglobe > documentation states a maximum pressure of 15 bar. Do you believe this > is conservative based upon your own testing? > > Jon > > > On 4/22/2015 2:06 AM, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jon, > > > > (resend massage) > > > > Potting is okay but I switched to a pressure proof Delrin/ POM isolator. > > Brass contacts are pressed in a Delrin bushing. On the outside sealed > with > a > > 0-ring in the thrusters tube. See attachment Main advantage is that it is > > dismountable. > > BTW. I used the Rhino as they have a all metal construction > > > > > > Regards, Emile > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then the rubber pipe > slid over the top and the whole thing filled with epoxy. I said it > was basic. > Also a pic of a possible rotating through hull seal. I didn't use > this in the end as I couldn't get the cable onto the copper pins. If > I had made flat connectors so I could push them on, it would have > worked, I just got fed up and potted it, but I think this idea maybe > has merit. Not sure if the oil inside the through hull would affect > the blue globe. Would need testing. > > ? > ? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 25795 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Where did you source your > blueglobe's and how much did they cost? > > Jon > > > On 4/23/2015 11:32 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi jon, > II found some pics. First one is of how I potted the join from the sub > con bulkhead connector. This is for the lights but the motor is the same. > The wires are soldered and insulated. Then the rubber pipe slid over the > top and the whole thing filled with epoxy. I said it was basic. > > Also a pic of a possible rotating through hull seal. I didn't use this in > the end as I couldn't get the cable onto the copper pins. If I had made > flat connectors so I could push them on, it would have worked, I just got > fed up and potted it, but I think this idea maybe has merit. Not sure if > the oil inside the through hull would affect the blue globe. Would need > testing. > > > ? > ? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 25795 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 40996 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 23 12:59:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:59:48 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1429808388.23638.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> James, Yes, a swinging dome would be awesome. My big concern though is over pressure with such a large dome. I am not comfortable relying on an over pressure valve. I think the over pressure valve needs to be a monster to work. Think how long it takes to deflate an inner tube at 5 psi. In a stressful situation you may be tempted to surface fast, with an over pressure you could have a real problem. I still favour a manual valve in the hatch and the flood valve can be a back up to that. I guess releasing the hatch is an option also???? not sure about that one. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/23/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, April 23, 2015, 11:24 AM Hi Hank,You could have made a hatch arrangement so you could remove the dome from inside.? Mine is like that and I think Emile's as well.?? I like the idea of having 2 ways out!?? But then you have security against overpressure.? "Swings and Roundabouts" as they say. On 23 April 2015 at 13:01, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi James, The Alu ring is bolted to the steel ring with 8, 3/8 fine thread bolts.? More bolts may have prevented the distortion.? The studs cured the problem perfectly. Also the dome is secured better in the case of an over pressure.? ?I will change the studs to grade 8. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/23/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount ?To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ?Received: Thursday, April 23, 2015, 4:51 AM ?Hi ?Hank,How was the alu ring attached to the 2" ?reinforcing ring before you added the studs?? I think its ?time for some picture updates on your page... ?:)?Kind ?RegardsJames ?On 22 April 2015 at 18:07, ?hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ?wrote: ?Emile, ?I am pulling pretty hard on the straps because the dome is ?150 lbs on its own.? Also I am relying on the EPDM to seal ?at the surface.? I could have put more bolts in the AL ring ?also but this way I don't have to worry about pulling ?the treads out of the AL.? I used the AL you suggested when ?I asked James. ?Hank-------------------------------------------- ?On Wed, 4/22/15, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles ? ?wrote: ??Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount ??To: "'Personal Submersibles General ?Discussion'" ??Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 9:26 AM ??Which Alu? Yield varies ??from 100 to 450 N/mm2 ??AW 5083 or Anodised ??AW6082 is the best for domerings in my opinion. ??Emile ??-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- ??Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] ??Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ??Verzonden: woensdag 22 april 2015 13:50 ??Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ??Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome mount ??I had a design problem with my ??AL dome seat.? I had the strap assembly ??bolted to the AL seat only, and that was a ??mistake.? After installing the ??dome ??assembly on the sub I double checked the fit and found ?that ??when I ??tighten the straps the Al seat was ??distorting.? I am not very experienced ??working with large AL material and did not ??realize how Whimpy it is.? I ??corrected this ??by drilling through the AL and into the 2in thick ??reinforcing ??ring and installing studs.? Now ??the strap assembly pulls from the steel ??ring.? I simply tighten the strap assembly ??until I see an even impression in ??the EPDM ??gasket.? I am now reassembling Gamma, I am excited to ?get ??back in ??the water and try out my dome. ??Hank ??_______________________________________________ ??Personal_Submersibles mailing list ??Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ??http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ??_______________________________________________ ??Personal_Submersibles mailing list ??Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ??http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?_______________________________________________ ?Personal_Submersibles mailing list ?Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ?http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?-----Inline Attachment Follows----- ?_______________________________________________ ?Personal_Submersibles mailing list ?Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ?http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 24 09:25:04 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:25:04 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: References: <5537D112.7010902@psubs.org> <553913C8.50807@psubs.org> Message-ID: <553A4430.7000301@psubs.org> I was quoted $58/each, minimum order of 50. Jon On 4/23/2015 12:21 PM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I got mine from Emile. He can probably let you know where they came from. > I did contact the UK distributor but when I said I wanted about 4, > they weren't interested. In fact they were rude when I called them. > According to the blue globe website (http://www.pflitsch.de/en_GB/home), > this is the USA distributor. > http://contaclipinc.com/home.html > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 24 09:34:59 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:34:59 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <553A4430.7000301@psubs.org> References: <5537D112.7010902@psubs.org> <553913C8.50807@psubs.org> <553A4430.7000301@psubs.org> Message-ID: I too have tried to purchase these in the US, and had no luck. Maybe some of our friends in the EU will sell us a few? :) Alec On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > I was quoted $58/each, minimum order of 50. > Jon > > > On 4/23/2015 12:21 PM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> I got mine from Emile. He can probably let you know where they came from. >> I did contact the UK distributor but when I said I wanted about 4, they >> weren't interested. In fact they were rude when I called them. >> According to the blue globe website (http://www.pflitsch.de/en_GB/home), >> this is the USA distributor. >> http://contaclipinc.com/home.html >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 24 10:50:42 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:50:42 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: References: <5537D112.7010902@psubs.org> <553913C8.50807@psubs.org> <553A4430.7000301@psubs.org> Message-ID: <553A5842.6040700@psubs.org> I think this leaves me with potting. Epoxy? Urethane? Suppliers? Jon On 4/24/2015 9:34 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I too have tried to purchase these in the US, and had no luck. Maybe > some of our friends in the EU will sell us a few? > > :) > > Alec > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 24 13:41:51 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 19:41:51 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: <553A4430.7000301@psubs.org> Message-ID: Jon, Was this the stainless version? I use the brass ones as the stainless are not from the 316 type. Brass ones should cost about USD 10,- each.. Regards Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: vrijdag 24 april 2015 15:25 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull I was quoted $58/each, minimum order of 50. Jon On 4/23/2015 12:21 PM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I got mine from Emile. He can probably let you know where they came from. > I did contact the UK distributor but when I said I wanted about 4, > they weren't interested. In fact they were rude when I called them. > According to the blue globe website (http://www.pflitsch.de/en_GB/home), > this is the USA distributor. > http://contaclipinc.com/home.html > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 24 14:15:18 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:15:18 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] minn-kota cabling to hull In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <553A8836.9080708@psubs.org> Emile, Yes, I asked for SS but didn't pay attention to the type. I'll try again for the brass, $10 each is much more reasonable. Jon On 4/24/2015 1:41 PM, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Jon, > > Was this the stainless version? > > I use the brass ones as the stainless are not from the 316 type. > > Brass ones should cost about USD 10,- each.. > > Regards Emile > > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 24 17:38:09 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:38:09 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ballast tank In-Reply-To: References: <1429791759.52377.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, can you post some pictures of what they look like? Making the ballast tanks for my K-350 is a job I am not looking forward to as it will be messy and though I've done some glass work in the past I doubt that they would look as smooth and professional as some of you have done. Rick On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:15 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Yes, I wish i'd made my tanks like that. Winter modification planned to > change mine. > > On 23 April 2015 at 13:22, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> I mounted the first new ballast tank yesterday, I am using water softener >> tanks. The tanks are real cheap and best of all, very light. The tanks >> are approx. 20 imperial gallons each 12 in dia and 48 in long with hemi >> ends. >> If I were building a K sub, I would 4 of these on, stability would >> improve and no burping out air. >> Hank >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:15 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Yes, I wish i'd made my tanks like that.? Winter modification planned to change mine.? On 23 April 2015 at 13:22, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I mounted the first new ballast tank yesterday, I am using water softener tanks.? The tanks are real cheap and best of all, very light.? ?The tanks are approx. 20 imperial gallons each? 12 in dia and 48 in long with hemi ends. If I were building a K sub, I would 4 of these on, stability would improve and no burping out air. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Apr 24 18:14:07 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 15:14:07 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: WATER SOFTENER / FILTER TANK 10" X 54" (1.5 Cu Ft ) "FREE SHIPPING" Message-ID: <1429913647.7254.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Rick, Here are some samples of the tanks on ebay. Hank --- On Fri, 4/24/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: WATER SOFTENER / FILTER TANK 10" X 54" (1.5 Cu Ft ) "FREE SHIPPING" > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Friday, April 24, 2015, 6:12 PM > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/WATER-SOFTENER-FILTER-TANK-10-X-54-1-5-Cu-Ft-FREE-SHIPPING-/331478046384?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 > > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Apr 25 04:42:32 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 09:42:32 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ballast tank In-Reply-To: <1429913431.12832.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1429913431.12832.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can I see it also hank? ? On Friday, 24 April 2015, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, send me an e mail address and I will send you a pic with one tank on > kinda sorta :-) > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 4/24/15, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ballast tank > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Received: Friday, April 24, 2015, 5:38 PM > > Hank, > can you post > some pictures of what they look like? Making the ballast > tanks for my K-350 is a job I am not looking forward to as > it will be messy and though I've done some glass work in > the past I doubt that they would look as smooth and > professional as some of you have done. > Rick > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at > 5:15 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > wrote: > Yes, I wish i'd made my tanks like that. > Winter modification planned to change mine. > On 23 April 2015 at 13:22, > hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > I mounted > the first new ballast tank yesterday, I am using water > softener tanks. The tanks are real cheap and best of all, > very light. The tanks are approx. 20 imperial gallons > each 12 in dia and 48 in long with hemi ends. > > If I were building a K sub, I would 4 of these on, stability > would improve and no burping out air. > > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Apr 25 15:11:41 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:11:41 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] help interpreting ABS rules In-Reply-To: <5536EFE3.5050808@psubs.org> References: <5536A012.5080302@psubs.org> <516782a6-fb8b-4742-bd2d-a7f5369b0708@email.android.com> <5536EFE3.5050808@psubs.org> Message-ID: <553BE6ED.5090005@telus.net> Jon - that was my original thinking, but then I noticed that the second term in the Pn equation in 6/19.13 contains the L term, or distance between non-heavy stiffeners, leading me to believe that this second term might be a correction factor for stiffness of the reinforced shell in between the heavy stiffeners, in which case it would make sense that the I term is the non-heavy I. Conceptually this makes sense because the section is dealing with overall buckling across the length between heavy stiffeners, which is resisted by the mechanical properties of the shell reinforced with non-heavy stiffeners. Only the mention of heavy stiffeners as the limiting extents of the collapse led me to originally assume the heavy I, which I am now unsure of. Sean On 2015-04-21 18:48, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Ok, missed the section on calculating "I". I looked at the doc more > tonight and it seems to me that your original conclusion of using > Heavy Stiffeners is correct. Section 19.11 defines Heavy Stiffeners > as the stiffeners to be used for purposes of checking overall buckling > performance. Section 19.13 requires "heavy support members" which I > believe equates to "Heavy Stiffeners". In Section 19.15.2, Lc is used > to calculate "I". Doesn't this all point to using 19.15.2 to > calculate "I" ? > > Jon > > > On 4/21/2015 7:48 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> "I" is calculated differently for non-heavy stiffeners (19.15.1(d)) >> than for heavy stiffeners (19.15.2(d)). It is entirely contextual as >> to which "I" to use. >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> On April 21, 2015 1:08:02 PM MDT, Jon Wallace via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Given that there is copious distinction throughout the document differentiating heavy and non-heavy stiffeners, it could be that non-distinction in the definitions of equation variables means application to both. I notice that none of the variable definitions referencing stiffeners differentiates between heavy or non-heavy. What is the effect in the equation of assuming "I" refers to all stiffeners? >> >> Jon >> >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> SEAN STEVENSON WROTE: >> >> I found a bit of time this weekend to work on the hull optimization >> software, and was just revisiting the "Overall Buckling Strength" >> calculation in Section 6/19.13 of the 2014 ABS Rules for Building and >> Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities, when I >> noticed the following: >> >> The limit pressure corresponding to the overall buckling mode between >> heavy support members is obtained from the following >> equation: >> >> Pn = (E*t/R)*A_1 + E*I*A_2/L*R^3 >> >> The section goes on to define some of those terms, but what caught my >> attention was the "I" in the second term of this equation. The >> nomenclature "I" does not distinguish between "I" for a heavy stiffener >> or a regular stiffener in the rules - it is contextual. Given the >> purpose of the section, I had assumed that it meant "I" for a heavy >> stiffener, but the term in question also contains the term "L", or >> distance between stiffeners, which is distinct from "L_c", or distance >> between heavy stiffeners, leading to some ambiguity. If the second term >> is a correction for stiffness of the section in between heavy >> stiffeners, the "I" could very well be the "I" for a regular stiffener >> in between, but it isn't clear to me. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Sean >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Jon - that was my original thinking, but then I noticed that the > second term in the Pn equation in 6/19.13 contains the L term, or > distance between non-heavy stiffeners, leading me to believe that this > second term might be a correction factor for stiffness of the > reinforced shell in between the heavy stiffeners, in which case it > would make sense that the I term is the non-heavy I. Conceptually > this makes sense because the section is dealing with overall buckling > across the length between heavy stiffeners, which is resisted by the > mechanical properties of the shell reinforced with non-heavy > stiffeners. Only the mention of heavy stiffeners as the limiting > extents of the collapse led me to originally assume the heavy I, which > I am now unsure of. > > Sean > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Apr 27 13:08:59 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 05:08:59 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] help interpreting ABS rules In-Reply-To: <5536A012.5080302@psubs.org> References: <5536A012.5080302@psubs.org> Message-ID: <3B00EB6B-8216-482A-A4BA-9CD868BEEE98@yahoo.com> Jon, have you looked at what G.L. says about the same issue. It may give some clarification. (or not) Alan Sent from my iPad > On 22/04/2015, at 7:08 am, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Given that there is copious distinction throughout the document differentiating heavy and non-heavy stiffeners, it could be that non-distinction in the definitions of equation variables means application to both. I notice that none of the variable definitions referencing stiffeners differentiates between heavy or non-heavy. What is the effect in the equation of assuming "I" refers to all stiffeners? > > Jon > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > SEAN STEVENSON WROTE: > > I found a bit of time this weekend to work on the hull optimization > software, and was just revisiting the "Overall Buckling Strength" > calculation in Section 6/19.13 of the 2014 ABS Rules for Building and > Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities, when I > noticed the following: > > The limit pressure corresponding to the overall buckling mode between > heavy support members is obtained from the following equation: > > Pn = (E*t/R)*A_1 + E*I*A_2/L*R^3 > > The section goes on to define some of those terms, but what caught my > attention was the "I" in the second term of this equation. The > nomenclature "I" does not distinguish between "I" for a heavy stiffener > or a regular stiffener in the rules - it is contextual. Given the > purpose of the section, I had assumed that it meant "I" for a heavy > stiffener, but the term in question also contains the term "L", or > distance between stiffeners, which is distinct from "L_c", or distance > between heavy stiffeners, leading to some ambiguity. If the second term > is a correction for stiffness of the section in between heavy > stiffeners, the "I" could very well be the "I" for a regular stiffener > in between, but it isn't clear to me. > > Thoughts? > > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Apr 27 13:08:59 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 05:08:59 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] help interpreting ABS rules In-Reply-To: <5536A012.5080302@psubs.org> References: <5536A012.5080302@psubs.org> Message-ID: <3B00EB6B-8216-482A-A4BA-9CD868BEEE98@yahoo.com> Jon, have you looked at what G.L. says about the same issue. It may give some clarification. (or not) Alan Sent from my iPad > On 22/04/2015, at 7:08 am, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Given that there is copious distinction throughout the document differentiating heavy and non-heavy stiffeners, it could be that non-distinction in the definitions of equation variables means application to both. I notice that none of the variable definitions referencing stiffeners differentiates between heavy or non-heavy. What is the effect in the equation of assuming "I" refers to all stiffeners? > > Jon > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > SEAN STEVENSON WROTE: > > I found a bit of time this weekend to work on the hull optimization > software, and was just revisiting the "Overall Buckling Strength" > calculation in Section 6/19.13 of the 2014 ABS Rules for Building and > Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities, when I > noticed the following: > > The limit pressure corresponding to the overall buckling mode between > heavy support members is obtained from the following equation: > > Pn = (E*t/R)*A_1 + E*I*A_2/L*R^3 > > The section goes on to define some of those terms, but what caught my > attention was the "I" in the second term of this equation. The > nomenclature "I" does not distinguish between "I" for a heavy stiffener > or a regular stiffener in the rules - it is contextual. Given the > purpose of the section, I had assumed that it meant "I" for a heavy > stiffener, but the term in question also contains the term "L", or > distance between stiffeners, which is distinct from "L_c", or distance > between heavy stiffeners, leading to some ambiguity. If the second term > is a correction for stiffness of the section in between heavy > stiffeners, the "I" could very well be the "I" for a regular stiffener > in between, but it isn't clear to me. > > Thoughts? > > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Apr 27 13:39:34 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (John Kammerer via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Superstructure question Message-ID: <5cc8b83a.2cf64.14cfbf6734d.Webtop.43@optonline.net> Carsten: ? I have a question on the Euronaut topside superstructure! Did you use steel or aluminum? What was the thickness and spacing of the angle iron supports. What was the deck / side plate thickness? ? I am considering aluminum 2" (50.8mm) x 2" (50.8mm) x .125" (3.175mm) angle and deck and side plates of .125" (3.175mm) thick. The angle at 2' (0.6096m) spacing. ? Your input would be helpful. You can contact me off line a subvet596 at optonline.net ? Thanks. ? John K. (203) 414-1000 From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Apr 27 18:34:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:34:33 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2015 Convention Update Message-ID: All, I have started negotiating our lodging and hope to have details soon. We will be generally staying in the Bethesda, Maryland area. It looks like room rates will be between $100-150 per night. I expect to be on the low end of this trange. I have confirmed that we will have a K-250 and K-350 as static displays at the International Submarine Races. I think the participants/students will enjoy having this opportunity as most are/will be engineering majors. 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They should be a great transducer for passive and if you put one on each side of the hull you should be able to listen with some directionality with separate amps and one to each ear. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Jim Rudholm via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Has anyone used these for passive listening? I tried one on a paper chart > depth sounder as a side scan fish. Results were mixed with only one trial > in one of our local lakes, Pine Flat east of Fresno, CA. > > I was in the Navy in 1965-67 and talked with a sonarman. He said they > could track a merchant ship at 10,000 yards, no problem. This was on the > older Diesel boats. > Photos of sonar installations: > > http://imgur.com/a/UlM8T > > JimR > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 29 16:14:21 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:14:21 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Duplex Stainless Message-ID: <20150429131421.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.2a34223540.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: via Personal_Submersibles To: psubs Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:14 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Duplex Stainless Does anyone know anything about duplex stainless steel? Has anyone ever made a deep diving submarine out of it??Thanks,Scott Waters _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 29 17:28:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 14:28:26 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Duplex Stainless Message-ID: <20150429142826.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.f0b29620f5.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 29 17:58:01 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Vance Bradley via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:58:01 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Duplex Stainless In-Reply-To: <20150429142826.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.f0b29620f5.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150429142826.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.f0b29620f5.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: The new Lula was fabricated from some kind of trick stainless. Vance Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2015, at 5:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Ok. When I was in Roatan talking to Karl he talked about it several times. I had never heard of it, but sounded cool. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Duplex Stainless > From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Wed, April 29, 2015 2:19 pm > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Super Duplex stainless steel is used widely in the off shore oil and gas industry for corrosion in production tubulars particularly for high H2S levels. It has high chromium and molybdenum content. Excellent resistance to inorganic acids especially those containing chlorides. I don't know of any submersible pressure hulls made of Super Duplex stainless steel. It would be expensive. > > Cliff > > > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: psubs > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:14 PM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Duplex Stainless > > Does anyone know anything about duplex stainless steel? 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If it is HY100 I have the sheets that Sean ran for me. The next question is do I want to aim for 1000 meters or 2000 meters?? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/29/2015 5:41 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Cc: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Scott, How over weight will your deep diver be if you use typical material to achieve your depth goal. How much would you have to increase the dia to compensate for the extra weight. Have you considered a buoyancy sphere to compensate for the over weight occupant sphere. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 29 19:59:37 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:59:37 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1430351977.57375.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I am talking about 516-70, when you say way over, what does that mean, and can increasing the dia compensate. I thought you were talking about 1,000 meters. If you decide on 2,000 m then that is another story :-) Seems your trip to see Karl has given you some things to think about. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/29/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 29, 2015, 7:41 PM Hank,When you say traditional material are you talking 516 grade 70 or HY100. If it is 516 grade 70 it becomes way overweight. If it is HY100 I have the sheets that Sean ran for me. The next question is do I want to aim for 1000 meters or 2000 meters??Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/29/2015 5:41 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Cc: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Scott, How over weight will your deep diver be if you use typical material to achieve your depth goal.? How much would you have to increase the dia to compensate for the extra weight.? Have you considered a buoyancy sphere to compensate for the over weight occupant sphere. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 29 20:23:12 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:23:12 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Message-ID: I have a study that has the numbers somewhere, I just have to look for it. If I remember right it was about 200 lbs negative before anything else so ends up probably 1000+ heavy when you get all the stuff on it. I think the HY-100 was like 800 positive before anything. I want to limit it to no bigger than a 6 feet diameter. My goal is to have a vehical no heavier than 10,000 lbs. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/29/2015 6:59 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Cc: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Scott, I am talking about 516-70, when you say way over, what does that mean, and can increasing the dia compensate. I thought you were talking about 1,000 meters. If you decide on 2,000 m then that is another story :-) Seems your trip to see Karl has given you some things to think about. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/29/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 29, 2015, 7:41 PM Hank,When you say traditional material are you talking 516 grade 70 or HY100. If it is 516 grade 70 it becomes way overweight. If it is HY100 I have the sheets that Sean ran for me. The next question is do I want to aim for 1000 meters or 2000 meters? Thanks,Scott Waters Sent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Apr 29 21:59:08 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:59:08 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't recall if I included it in the numbers I ran for you, but don't forget that you need a corrosion allowance on the exposed surface which doesn't factor in to the strength calcs, but will affect your weight / buoyancy numbers. Sean On April 29, 2015 6:23:12 PM MDT, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: >I have a study that has the numbers somewhere, I just have to look for >it. If I remember right it was about 200 lbs negative before anything >else so ends up probably 1000+ heavy when you get all the stuff on it. >I think the HY-100 was like 800 positive before anything. I want to >limit it to no bigger than a 6 feet diameter. My goal is to have a >vehical no heavier than 10,000 lbs. >Thanks, >Scott Waters > > >Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > >-------- Original message -------- >From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > >Date:04/29/2015 6:59 PM (GMT-06:00) >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >Cc: >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel > > >Scott, >I am talking about 516-70, when you say way over, what does that mean, >and can increasing the dia compensate. I thought you were talking about >1,000 meters. If you decide on 2,000 m then that is another story :-) >Seems your trip to see Karl has given you some things to think about. >Hank -------------------------------------------- >On Wed, 4/29/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > >Received: Wednesday, April 29, 2015, 7:41 PM > >Hank,When >you say traditional material are you talking 516 grade 70 or >HY100. If it is 516 grade 70 it becomes way overweight. If >it is HY100 I have the sheets that Sean ran for me. The next >question is do I want to aim for 1000 meters or 2000 >meters? Thanks,Scott >Waters > >Sent > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 00:10:39 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:10:39 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Message-ID: Thanks Sean. I truely appriciate the calcs you have done for me. I'm still in the research phase, but hopefully in the near future will be in the buying material phase. Thanks, Scott Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/29/2015 8:59 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Cc: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel I don't recall if I included it in the numbers I ran for you, but don't forget that you need a corrosion allowance on the exposed surface which doesn't factor in to the strength calcs, but will affect your weight / buoyancy numbers. Sean On April 29, 2015 6:23:12 PM MDT, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: I have a study that has the numbers somewhere, I just have to look for it. If I remember right it was about 200 lbs negative before anything else so ends up probably 1000+ heavy when you get all the stuff on it. I think the HY-100 was like 800 positive before anything. I want to limit it to no bigger than a 6 feet diameter. My goal is to have a vehical no heavier than 10,000 lbs. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/29/2015 6:59 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Cc: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Scott, I am talking about 516-70, when you say way over, ! ; what does that mean, and can increasing the dia compensate. I thought you were talking about 1,000 meters. If you decide on 2,000 m then that is another story :-) Seems your trip to see Karl has given you some things to think about. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/29/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 29, 2015, 7:41 PM Hank,When you say traditional material are you talking 516 grade 70 or HY100. If it is 516 grade 70 it becomes way overweight. If it is HY100 I have the sheets that Sean ran for me. The next question is do I want to aim for 1000 meters or 2000 meters? Thanks,Scott Waters Sent Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 01:39:39 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 05:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562601681.1259793.1430372379439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Scott,I would be looking at where you could be diving the sub to 2000 meters &what the logistics are to get it to those diving spots. Or is there anything at 2000meters that you are really interested in.Also if you are going to a lot of expense to build this, & it has research potential;you may want to build it to classification standard for resale purposes.I am not saying go through the classification process, as that is very expensive& probably a waste of time for your private use. However there are a lot of rulesthat are easy to comply with if you know what they are, & will give your sub thekudos of being built to a classification standard. Future buyers then have the optionof getting it classified retrospectively.Cheers Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Hank,When you say traditional material are you talking 516 grade 70 or HY100. If it is 516 grade 70 it becomes way overweight. If it is HY100 I have the sheets that Sean ran for me. The next question is do I want to aim for 1000 meters or 2000 meters??Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/29/2015 5:41 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Cc: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Scott, How over weight will your deep diver be if you use typical material to achieve your depth goal.? How much would you have to increase the dia to compensate for the extra weight.? Have you considered a buoyancy sphere to compensate for the over weight occupant sphere. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 04:42:29 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 01:42:29 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Duplex Stainless Message-ID: <0nksk36r0jmwn13b41dn80f1.1430383169808@email.android.com> How does uper duplex stainless handle pitting? 316 when immersed in sea water developes micro pits that weaken the material over time. Keith Vance Bradley via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >The new Lula was fabricated from some kind of trick stainless. >Vance > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 29, 2015, at 5:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Ok. When I was in Roatan talking to Karl he talked about it several times. I had never heard of it, but sounded cool. >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Duplex Stainless >> From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles >> >> Date: Wed, April 29, 2015 2:19 pm >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> >> Super Duplex stainless steel is used widely in the off shore oil and gas industry for corrosion in production tubulars particularly for high H2S levels. It has high chromium and molybdenum content. Excellent resistance to inorganic acids especially those containing chlorides. I don't know of any submersible pressure hulls made of Super Duplex stainless steel. It would be expensive. >> >> Cliff >> >> >> From: via Personal_Submersibles >> To: psubs >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:14 PM >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Duplex Stainless >> >> Does anyone know anything about duplex stainless steel? Has anyone ever made a deep diving submarine out of it? >> >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 08:10:11 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 05:10:11 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1430395811.91397.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I assume these calculations are all for an unreinforced sphere. Is there any sense in using lighter shell material with reinforcing rings. Is that possible with a benefit? Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/29/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 29, 2015, 8:23 PM I have a study that has the numbers somewhere, I just have to look for it. If I remember right it was about 200 lbs negative before anything else so ends up probably 1000+ heavy when you get all the stuff on it. I think the HY-100 was like 800 positive before anything. I want to limit it to no bigger than a 6 feet diameter. My goal is to have a vehical no heavier than 10,000 lbs.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/29/2015 6:59 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Cc: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Scott, I am talking about 516-70, when you say way over,? what does that mean, and can increasing the dia compensate. I thought you were talking about 1,000 meters.? If you decide on 2,000 m then that is another story :-)? Seems your trip to see Karl has given you some things to think about. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/29/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, April 29, 2015, 7:41 PM Hank,When you say traditional material are you talking 516 grade 70 or HY100. If it is 516 grade 70 it becomes way overweight. If it is HY100 I have the sheets that Sean ran for me. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 09:16:34 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:16:34 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel Message-ID: <20150430061634.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9958e459c6.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 09:45:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:45:56 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel In-Reply-To: <20150430061634.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9958e459c6.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150430061634.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9958e459c6.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <55423214.10706@psubs.org> I've calculated 1" thick 516-70 gets you 2000-3300 feet depending upon safety factor, with a weight of 4000 pounds. 2" thick 516-70 gets you 5000-6700 depending upon safety factor, with a weight of 9200 pounds. Deepworker 2000 uses spherical segments welded together which lightens the shell because each segment is the same thickness. In traditional forming of a hemisphere the metal will thin out at the apex and you must use that as your limiting factor in regards to max depth. So spherical segments get you to the same depth with lighter weight. You might consider taking the C-Explorer approach and lighten the overall weight by using a steel hemisphere for the bottom half and an acrylic hemisphere for the top half. Jon From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 09:51:43 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 01:51:43 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel In-Reply-To: <20150430061351.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.0e4b31d633.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150430061351.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.0e4b31d633.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <14BD7E9A-52DC-4B47-AE90-42B2F8DFF93B@yahoo.com> Scott, yes the view ports could be an expensive part. Paul Morehouse mentioned a German firm that was pressing large acrylic hemispheres. That process could bring the view port price down a bit. Here's Graham Hawke's catamaran in case you haven't seen it. http://www.deepflight.com/flight-school/great-white-shark-expedition-guadalupe-mexico/ Alan Sent from my iPad > On 1/05/2015, at 1:13 am, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > > My plan if I built a 2000 meter submarine would be to buy or build a 80-100 foot catamaran sail boat with gantry and removable floor with living quarters. After spending a lot of time down there with Karl it got me thinking a lot. It would be a low fuel expense, easy launching capability because of the wide base, yet still fast for a sailing vessel. Once I had everything built and done I would either hire a CEO to run my company and I would partially retire and run scientific expeditions or I would just sell my company. The problem with a 2000 meter submarine is the veiwports start to get small and the weight goes way up. I would definitely build to all classification standards, but I would not pay to have the classifications done. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Wed, April 29, 2015 10:39 pm > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Scott, > I would be looking at where you could be diving the sub to 2000 meters & > what the logistics are to get it to those diving spots. Or is there anything at 2000 > meters that you are really interested in. > Also if you are going to a lot of expense to build this, & it has research potential; > you may want to build it to classification standard for resale purposes. > I am not saying go through the classification process, as that is very expensive > & probably a waste of time for your private use. However there are a lot of rules > that are easy to comply with if you know what they are, & will give your sub the > kudos of being built to a classification standard. Future buyers then have the option > of getting it classified retrospectively. > Cheers Alan > > From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel > > Hank, > When you say traditional material are you talking 516 grade 70 or HY100. If it is 516 grade 70 it becomes way overweight. If it is HY100 I have the sheets that Sean ran for me. The next question is do I want to aim for 1000 meters or 2000 meters? > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:04/29/2015 5:41 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Cc: > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] exotic steel > > Scott, > How over weight will your deep diver be if you use typical material to achieve your depth goal. How much would you have to increase the dia to compensate for the extra weight. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 11:26:29 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:26:29 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications Message-ID: <20150430082629.C4928314@m0048136.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 15:33:51 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 07:33:51 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications In-Reply-To: <20150430082629.C4928314@m0048136.ppops.net> References: <20150430082629.C4928314@m0048136.ppops.net> Message-ID: <4D5ECC0B-2692-47FB-A1D3-5ADB0B9DE5D6@yahoo.com> Brian, I have seen a few off the shelf diver systems that use texting to communicate. may be less complicated than training you & your boat support person in morse code! Alan Sent from my iPad > On 1/05/2015, at 3:26 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi All, > With the prospect of having to communicate to my surface vessel will eventually become a reality for me, it has occurred to me that a very sure fire and dependable method of communicating would be CW (continuous wave), commonly know as Morse code ! My recent venture into Ham radio has "enlightened" me to the amazing benefits to this mode of communicating. Morse is the "original" digital communication technique ! ones and zeros, or dots and dashes rather ! > > And its fast ! > > http://www.wimp.com/neatexperiment/ > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 16:34:41 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 22:34:41 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications In-Reply-To: <4D5ECC0B-2692-47FB-A1D3-5ADB0B9DE5D6@yahoo.com> References: <20150430082629.C4928314@m0048136.ppops.net> <4D5ECC0B-2692-47FB-A1D3-5ADB0B9DE5D6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554291E1.3010703@artematrix.org> Alan Nothing beats morse code when everything else fails... i.e. you could still communicate knocking on the hull. Jens On 04/30/2015 09:33 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Brian, > I have seen a few off the shelf diver systems that use texting to > communicate. may be less complicated than training you & your > boat support person in morse code! > Alan > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 16:47:12 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:47:12 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications Message-ID: <20150430134712.C492ABEE@m0005312.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 17:44:35 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 21:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications In-Reply-To: <554291E1.3010703@artematrix.org> References: <20150430082629.C4928314@m0048136.ppops.net> <4D5ECC0B-2692-47FB-A1D3-5ADB0B9DE5D6@yahoo.com> <554291E1.3010703@artematrix.org> Message-ID: <1056411857.1928098.1430430275373.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> You mean take a small hammer & a big hammer down with you.... _ _ _ ...Alan From: Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications Alan Nothing beats morse code when everything else fails... i.e. you could still communicate knocking on the hull. Jens On 04/30/2015 09:33 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Brian, > I have seen a few off the shelf diver systems that use texting to > communicate. may be less complicated than training you & your > boat support person in morse code! > Alan > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 19:04:52 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 16:04:52 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications Message-ID: There are digital transmission schemes for ham radio, amtor, pactor, dsp 32 and packet, not just morse. K6FEE Keith Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >You mean take a small hammer & a big hammer down with you.... _ _ _ ...Alan > From: Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications > >Alan > >Nothing beats morse code when everything else fails... >i.e. you could still communicate knocking on the hull. > >Jens > > > >On 04/30/2015 09:33 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Brian, >> I have seen a few off the shelf diver systems that use texting to >> communicate. may be less complicated than training you & your >> boat support person in morse code! >> Alan >> >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 19:33:16 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 01:33:16 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications In-Reply-To: <554291E1.3010703@artematrix.org> References: <20150430082629.C4928314@m0048136.ppops.net> <4D5ECC0B-2692-47FB-A1D3-5ADB0B9DE5D6@yahoo.com> <554291E1.3010703@artematrix.org> Message-ID: <5542BBBC.4050902@artematrix.org> ** You mean take a small hammer & a big hammer down with you. no, but... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_code Jens From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 21:25:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 18:25:02 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Zinc coating Message-ID: <20150430182502.C490B61E@m0048138.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Date:04/30/2015 8:25 PM (GMT-06:00) To: PSubs Cc: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Zinc coating All, Ok, I was going to take my pressure hull ( it's finished , BTW) down and have an outfit zinc coat it but now I'm thinking that I should spend that money on a heavy duty air compressor and a sand blaster and do it myself. Since I'm sure I will need to be recoating places where I'm doing thru hulls and such. But my question is do I need to worry about the compatibility between the zinc coating and the epoxy that will on over the zinc ?? Should I put the zinc on the inside too ? Are there different types of zinc coatings? Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 21:54:27 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:54:27 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Zinc coating In-Reply-To: <20150430182502.C490B61E@m0048138.ppops.net> References: <20150430182502.C490B61E@m0048138.ppops.net> Message-ID: <7fbf9bb0-a87c-47a4-b319-f0fd78b57870@email.android.com> You probably want to abrasive blast, solvent clean, and then apply a zinc-rich epoxy primer, epoxy intermediate coat and urethane top coat. Sean On April 30, 2015 7:25:02 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >All, > > > >Ok, I was going to take my pressure hull ( it's finished , BTW) down >and have an outfit zinc coat it but now I'm thinking that I should >spend that money on a heavy duty air compressor and a sand blaster and >do it myself. Since I'm sure I will need to be recoating places where >I'm doing thru hulls and such. But my question is do I need to worry >about the compatibility between the zinc coating and the epoxy that >will on over the zinc ?? Should I put the zinc on the inside too ? >Are there different types of zinc coatings? > > > >Brian > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 22:59:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 02:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications In-Reply-To: <5542BBBC.4050902@artematrix.org> References: <20150430082629.C4928314@m0048136.ppops.net> <4D5ECC0B-2692-47FB-A1D3-5ADB0B9DE5D6@yahoo.com> <554291E1.3010703@artematrix.org> <5542BBBC.4050902@artematrix.org> Message-ID: <120964362.139280.1430449196395.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> That looks a simpler system.You can be heard by a diver through the dome if you yell loud enough.I snorkelled down to Cliff's R300 in Florida, & heard him say "This is Fantastic".Of course I couldn't communicate back.Alan From: Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] communications ** You mean take a small hammer & a big hammer down with you. no, but... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_code Jens _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Apr 30 23:09:07 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 23:09:07 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Zinc coating In-Reply-To: <20150430182502.C490B61E@m0048138.ppops.net> References: <20150430182502.C490B61E@m0048138.ppops.net> Message-ID: <5542EE53.7040004@psubs.org> Don't know the answer to this one. The sandblaster I talked to swore a zinc thermal spraying protects steel better than anything else because it acts as a sacrificial anode. But from what I can find out from other sources the zinc coating still needs to be covered by paint because sometimes it does not adhere permanently and it can chip. So I have the option to have the hull zinc galvanized by thermal spraying but I don't know if it's worth the money. The sandblaster/painter I talked to said the coating goes on one side only, presumably the outside because it would be way too difficult to get the thermal sprayer into a small sub to effectively coat the inside. Jon On 4/30/2015 9:25 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > All, > Ok, I was going to take my pressure hull ( it's finished , BTW) down > and have an outfit zinc coat it but now I'm thinking that I should > spend that money on a heavy duty air compressor and a sand blaster and > do it myself. Since I'm sure I will need to be recoating places where > I'm doing thru hulls and such. But my question is do I need to worry > about the compatibility between the zinc coating and the epoxy that > will on over the zinc ?? Should I put the zinc on the inside too ? > Are there different types of zinc coatings? > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: