From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 1 04:33:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 17:33:00 +0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing In-Reply-To: <1Y6HQT-0d9Ghk0@fwd39.t-online.de> References: <20141230183546.2C0C0DB5@m0005309.ppops.net> <1Y6HQT-0d9Ghk0@fwd39.t-online.de> Message-ID: <54A5144C.80302@archivale.com> I continue to be impressed to the point of awe with the caliber of engineering that went into your boat. Marc On 12/31/2014 7:26 PM, "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Brian, > > we have each two cardridge in the exchange filters for the mask. > One is unse in case of fire against smoke or in case of battery clorine > or other gases. > And the other cardridge we customize to absorb CO2 in case main LSS > filter didnt work anymore. > They are military surplus from Finland and came brandnew for just some > bucks. > > During building I have a fire in a bed madraze becuase of we?lding close > by. > The smoke fill the compartmnet in seconds with no view anymore and > nearly unbreathable atmosphere. > > But we have also a scuba automat lifeline system on 6 station on board > in case of fire or out of oxygen situation. > And mobile fire extingusher and a high fog mist fire fighting system in > each compartment. > > Also Steinke Hoods, diver suits, diver scuba equipment, 1 liferaft, 1 > inflate rubber boat, > 3x 1ts drop weights, Emergency oxygen bottles for weeks, emergency CO2 > filters (we double it - 4 in total) > Last but not least a first aid set from a car. And most inportant a > complet workshop in the engine room. > The diver exist room can be use as rescue chamber wit a mirror of all > systems for air, oxygen, filters on its own. > > On the future plan are a complete set from a Ambulance car including > defilibrator, oxygen inhalator, medicine etc. > We get older and on real offshore operation we are maybe far awawy from > other ships and pepole and have to fix our problems ourself.. > > I have a book abouit emergency situations on civil submarine from russia. > There major accident clear to identfy: > - Fire on board, > - boat catch on the bottom > - diving with open hatch or launching accident. > > Deep charges or torpedos seems not an issue for privat submarines - so > we not have equipment to prevent that.. > (I write this line so I can be sure that this email will be stored in a > mountain in Montana for ever..) > > There are many old submariners and there are many brave submariners. > But there are not so much old and brave submariners.. > (Okay I steal this from the pilots..) > > vbr Carsten > > "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > schrieb: > > Carsten, What to you use the gas masks for? > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing > Date: 30 Dec 2014 19:08 GMT > > If the scale factor is 1:1 it shall work.. :-0 > > vbr Carsten > > "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" > > schrieb: > > > > I am not looking for drag comparisons, I am looking for failure > due to pressure comparisons. I though I read that the Nekton subs > were built as a model first to establish crush depth. > > Hank -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 12/29/14, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Received: Monday, December 29, 2014, 3:06 PM > > > > Drag > > results between a model and full scale does not scale > > geometrically. You have to scale model and full scale off > > the dimensionless Reynolds number. Reynolds number > > scaling enables you to scale results between model and full > > scale using either a water tunnel or air > > tunnel. > > Cliff > > > > > > > > From: Alan James via > > Personal_Submersibles > > > > > > > To: Personal > > Submersibles General Discussion > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, > > December 29, 2014 1:55 PM > > Subject: Re: > > [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing > > > > > > Hank,I just ran > > a test on my pressure program & you get the same crush > > depthon a > > sphere of A516-70 steel that is 1000mm diameter & 10mm > > thick as youdo on a > > sphere 100mm diameter & 1mm thick.What I am > > not sure of is if you can scale up the drag results on a > > model.If you > > have a scale model that is 1/50th & it takes X amount of > > force to push > > it at 3 > > knots, can you multiply X by 50 to get the required > > thrust?Alan > > > > > > > > From: Brian Cox via > > Personal_Submersibles > > > > > > > To: Personal > > Submersibles General Discussion > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, > > December 30, 2014 8:43 AM > > Subject: Re: > > [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing > > > > > > Hank, > > I would say > > no. It would have to be so exact that it would be > > virtually impossible to extrapolate from the small model, > > and > > aside from that I think there are other engineering > > principles involved that would come into play , Sean would > > be the person to ask ! I know that it is done in wave > > tanks and wind tunnels, but in those you are looking at > > laminar flow and such things, not structural strength so > > much. You might be able to get a rough idea of how it > > would start to collapse maybe. The larger the model the > > better I would think. > > > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > wrote: > > > > From: hank pronk via > > Personal_Submersibles > > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] model testing > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:52:46 -0800 > > > > Hi all > > If you > > make a scale model of a submarine in complete detail. > > Scale the size and metal thickness, is it a reasonable > > representation of depth capabilities when pressure > > tested? > > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 1 13:54:49 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:54:49 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights Message-ID: <1420138489.77924.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I just posted pictures of my new bow dome and deep sea lights. The lights are crazy, tested to 12,000m my best ebay purchase to date. Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 1 14:50:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:50:48 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights In-Reply-To: <1420138489.77924.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420138489.77924.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wow, that's 1200 watts in lights, which is about three times Snoopy's old halogen light power. I'm not sure I'd run all three at a time for very long, but when you do it'll be something to behold! Great find. Alec On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I just posted pictures of my new bow dome and deep sea lights. The lights > are crazy, tested to 12,000m my best ebay purchase to date. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 1 15:34:52 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 10:34:52 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights In-Reply-To: References: <1420138489.77924.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54A5AF6C.5070406@landnseawelding.com> Happy New Year everyone and may this new year be a safe and successful one for all.:-) Aloha Rick On 1/1/2015 9:50 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Wow, that's 1200 watts in lights, which is about three times Snoopy's > old halogen light power. I'm not sure I'd run all three at a time for > very long, but when you do it'll be something to behold! Great find. > > Alec > > On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > I just posted pictures of my new bow dome and deep sea lights. > The lights are crazy, tested to 12,000m my best ebay purchase to date. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 1 16:10:15 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:10:15 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420146615.65885.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alec, It is not much more than Gamma had, the problem with Gamma's lights was the wires were so old and crunchy and they wee hard to seal. These lights should be very reliable and they plug right into Gamma's through hull connectors. Hank On Thu, 1/1/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 1, 2015, 2:50 PM Wow, that's 1200 watts in lights, which is about three times Snoopy's old halogen light power. I'm not sure I'd run all three at a time for very long, but when you do it'll be something to behold! Great find. Alec On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I just posted pictures of my new bow dome and deep sea lights.? The lights are crazy, tested to 12,000m my best ebay purchase to date. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 1 18:39:42 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 15:39:42 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Thruster overhaul Message-ID: <002e01d0261c$39d56310$ad802930$@telus.net> Hank, How goes the thruster overhaul? Looking forward to seeing the pics. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-01-15 1:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights Alec, It is not much more than Gamma had, the problem with Gamma's lights was the wires were so old and crunchy and they wee hard to seal. These lights should be very reliable and they plug right into Gamma's through hull connectors. Hank On Thu, 1/1/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 1, 2015, 2:50 PM Wow, that's 1200 watts in lights, which is about three times Snoopy's old halogen light power. I'm not sure I'd run all three at a time for very long, but when you do it'll be something to behold! Great find. Alec On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I just posted pictures of my new bow dome and deep sea lights. The lights are crazy, tested to 12,000m my best ebay purchase to date. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 1 18:44:22 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 15:44:22 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Thruster overhaul In-Reply-To: <002e01d0261c$39d56310$ad802930$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1420155862.95645.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Tim, I am just finishing up some fabricating, then I will start on the motor inspection. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/1/15, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Thruster overhaul To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Received: Thursday, January 1, 2015, 6:39 PM Hank, How goes the thruster overhaul?? Looking forward to seeing the pics. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-01-15 1:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights Alec, It is not much more than Gamma had, the problem with Gamma's lights was? the wires were so old and crunchy and they wee hard to seal.? These lights should be very reliable and they plug right into Gamma's through hull connectors. Hank On Thu, 1/1/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 1, 2015, 2:50 PM Wow, that's 1200 watts in lights, which is about three times? Snoopy's old halogen light power. I'm not sure? I'd run all three at a time for very long, but when you? do it'll be something to behold! Great find. Alec On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I just posted pictures of my new bow dome and deep sea lights.? The lights are crazy, tested to 12,000m my best ebay? purchase to date. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 1 19:50:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 19:50:03 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights In-Reply-To: References: <1420138489.77924.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ugh, typo. I meant to say TEN times... :) On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Alec Smyth wrote: > Wow, that's 1200 watts in lights, which is about three times Snoopy's old > halogen light power. I'm not sure I'd run all three at a time for very > long, but when you do it'll be something to behold! Great find. > > Alec > > On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> I just posted pictures of my new bow dome and deep sea lights. The >> lights are crazy, tested to 12,000m my best ebay purchase to date. >> Hank >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 1 20:31:20 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 17:31:20 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights In-Reply-To: <1420138489.77924.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1420162280.72628.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hank, Is the new bow dome your new bow ballast tank? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/1/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Date: Thursday, January 1, 2015, 12:54 PM I just posted pictures of my new bow dome and deep sea lights.? The lights are crazy, tested to 12,000m my best ebay purchase to date. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 07:41:58 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 04:41:58 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights In-Reply-To: <1420162280.72628.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1420202518.21460.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Pete, No, I just bought the pressure dome because I got a good deal on it, I am still trying to figure out what to do with it. I am not changing the ballast tank to a dome. After getting some negative feed back from a couple of people, I realized it was a bad idea. I get those from time to time :-) Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/1/15, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 1, 2015, 8:31 PM Hank, Is the new bow dome your new bow ballast tank? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/1/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lights To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Date: Thursday, January 1, 2015, 12:54 PM I just posted pictures of my new bow dome and deep sea lights.? The lights are crazy, tested to 12,000m my best ebay purchase to date. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 10:44:36 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 07:44:36 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Message-ID: <1420213476.59376.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at. Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 11:04:29 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 10:04:29 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Message-ID: If anyone needs some stankie hoods I bougt a few. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 9:44 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at. Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... 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Cliff Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile: 830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com ________________________________ From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit If anyone needs some stankie hoods I bougt a few. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 9:44 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at. Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 11:26:21 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 10:26:21 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Message-ID: Ok. I will be in Dallas on March 5-8 in the off chance you might be up North. Otherwise I can just mail you one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 10:11 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Scott, I need one. The plastic face plate on mine is crapped out. Cliff Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile: 830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit If anyone needs some stankie hoods I bougt a few. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 9:44 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at. Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 12:59:38 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 09:59:38 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1420221578.92619.YahooMailNeo@web181205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I think it is going to be mail. Send me your mailing address for cost of hood and shipping and I will send you a check. My mailing address is: Cliff Redus 612 Ingram Rd Devine, TX 78016 Thanks Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile: 830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Ok. I will be in Dallas on March 5-8 in the off chance you might be up North. Otherwise I can just mail you one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 10:11 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Scott, I need one. The plastic face plate on mine is crapped out. Cliff Cliff Redus Redus Engineering USA mobile: 830-931-1280 cliffordredus at sbcglobal.com ________________________________ From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit If anyone needs some stankie hoods I bougt a few. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 9:44 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at. Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 12:15:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit In-Reply-To: <1420213476.59376.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420213476.59376.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <887825862.31924181.1420226133688.JavaMail.zimbra@mailid.telus.net> You might also look at sourcing a SC-2000 suit from Mustang Survival. I don't know what they sell for, but Mustang is relatively local, in BC. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal submersibles Sent: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 08:44:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at. Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 16:01:14 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (John Kammerer via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:01:14 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DA37760-A97B-4F3A-A8B0-B0B24F65BAF8@optonline.net> Hi Scott: How many can you spare, I could use 6. What is the cost, can they go via USPS? John Kammerer SubsCT, LLC P.O. Box 55193 Bridgeport, CT 06610-5193 (203) 414-1000 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:04 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > If anyone needs some stankie hoods I bougt a few. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/02/2015 9:44 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit > > Brian, > I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP so what is that is what 5K US > A bit pricy but worth looking at. Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... > > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 16:46:31 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 13:46:31 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit In-Reply-To: <887825862.31924181.1420226133688.JavaMail.zimbra@mailid.telus.net> Message-ID: <1420235191.67222.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sean, I am on it, it is a very nice looking suit and more compact. I am waiting for them to call back. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/2/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 2, 2015, 2:15 PM You might also look at sourcing a SC-2000 suit from Mustang Survival. I don't know what they sell for, but Mustang is relatively local, in BC. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal submersibles Sent: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 08:44:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP? so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at.? Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 20:23:04 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:23:04 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Message-ID: <20150102172304.80F775C2@m0048141.ppops.net> Hank, If you have an inflatable life boat you could survive for quite a while ! Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 13:46:31 -0800 Sean, I am on it, it is a very nice looking suit and more compact. I am waiting for them to call back. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/2/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 2, 2015, 2:15 PM You might also look at sourcing a SC-2000 suit from Mustang Survival. I don't know what they sell for, but Mustang is relatively local, in BC. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal submersibles Sent: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 08:44:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP? so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at.? Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 20:57:32 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:57:32 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electrical Box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003601d026f8$a57fb7a0$f07f26e0$@telus.net> Scott, Your link looks to be the home page. Do you have the product description page? Is it the "Surface Mounted Waterproof Electric Junction Box 240mmx170mmx110mm" ? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-02-15 8:33 AM To: psubs Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Electrical Box I was able to buy some water proof electrical boxes for my sub just like Alec has on Snoopy. They were just under $25 too! www.sourcingmap.com Now to cut the holes for the switches and gauges and swap out from the old ones! Little upgrades here and there to make Trustworthy better yet. I am still working on the manipulator arm and tooling rig. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I think my head is too big to fit into this thing ! > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 23:13:06 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 20:13:06 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood Message-ID: <20150102201306.2C0C614F@m0005309.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 2 23:16:01 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:16:01 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood In-Reply-To: <20150102201306.2C0C614F@m0005309.ppops.net> References: <20150102201306.2C0C614F@m0005309.ppops.net> Message-ID: There's still hair on your head????? On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I finally got into it, but I have marks on my head now ! That's a good > idea to have it revamped. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:09:34 -0500 > > Those eBay units are old and the neck seal has hardened. You should be > able to get your head in if you first stretch the neck seal hard with both > hands. 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Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/2/15, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 2, 2015, 11:28 PM Still some hair !?????? So the idea of those hoods is to either blow them up with your lungs?BEFORE you put the hood on or to charge them with air through the valve.? And then breath normally on the way up, or continue to exhale on the way up rather.? I can see that they could be helpful on the surface in rough seas to help you from gulping some water when you first pop up.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:16:01 -0500 There's still hair on your head????? On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I finally got into it, but I have marks on my head now !?? That's a good idea to have it revamped.?? ?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:09:34 -0500 Those eBay units are old and the neck seal has hardened. You should be able to get your head in if you first stretch the neck seal hard with both hands. Carsten took his to a wetsuit maker and had him put in new neoprene seals. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I think my head is too big to fit into this thing !?Brian _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 3 07:50:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?b?IkNhcnN0ZW4gU3RhbmRmdd8i?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: 03 Jan 2015 12:50 GMT Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood In-Reply-To: <20150102202848.2C0C61A7@m0005309.ppops.net> References: <20150102202848.2C0C61A7@m0005309.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1Y7OAQ-3qLHEW0@fwd39.t-online.de> Proper update: Bring it to a scuba suit repair shop. Let them glue a new skirt in from 3 mm neopren - but complete close. Make a new small opening for your head yourself. Make it first to small and than make the opening round by round bigger until its fit easy but tight. The scuba shop will you give no guarantee because of the age of the unit - but it dosent matter you need only the new neopren. Tell them it is just a trainning explain unit if they have warranty issues. Use: You put the unit empty over your head, Zipper of the face mask open. You wait until the last seconds before you leave the boat - close zipper. You get out of the boat but you NOT fill the unit to much full with air. During your way to the surface the air inside expand from alone because of the lower water pressure. Way to the surface will be fast. You breath the expand air from the inside to the outside. On the surface you have the vale to breath from the outside if the weather is to heavy. If the weather is nice you can open the face mask and use it as plain life vest.. If there is a water red or green or yellow paint maker cylinder in the unit - remove it. They are old and tend to leak. vbr Carsten "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: Still some hair ! So the idea of those hoods is to either blow them up with your lungs BEFORE you put the hood on or to charge them with air through the valve. And then breath normally on the way up, or continue to exhale on the way up rather. I can see that they could be helpful on the surface in rough seas to help you from gulping some water when you first pop up. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:16:01 -0500 There's still hair on your head????? On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I finally got into it, but I have marks on my head now ! That's a good idea to have it revamped. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:09:34 -0500 Those eBay units are old and the neck seal has hardened. You should be able to get your head in if you first stretch the neck seal hard with both hands. Carsten took his to a wetsuit maker and had him put in new neoprene seals. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I think my head is too big to fit into this thing ! 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Name: PICT0001Steinke.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 174638 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 3 08:25:40 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 05:25:40 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: SUBMARINE ESCAPE - ESCAPE TRAINING TANK PROCEDURE 9008 Message-ID: <1420291540.27931.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Brian, Here is the training video --- On Sat, 1/3/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: SUBMARINE ESCAPE - ESCAPE TRAINING TANK PROCEDURE 9008 > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Saturday, January 3, 2015, 8:24 AM > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffOJEJwWSbs > > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 3 08:55:07 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 14:55:07 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood In-Reply-To: <1420288671.60495.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420288671.60495.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4821BD10-47C0-4E54-9CB9-346B45C31845@upplevelsepresent.se> Hej all, I'm interested in buying 4-5 steinkes for my sub. Better to have them then not to have. Does anyone know where to get them? I noticed a member mentioning having some but I can't find that mail. Any other sources are interesting as well. Happy new year to you all! /Lasse > 3 jan 2015 kl. 13:40 skrev "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" : > > > Brian, > My neck seal was also super tight, I had to cut small slits to relieve it. The idea is you run a continuous flow of air through from your hp supply. You should watch the video on youtube. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 1/2/15, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Friday, January 2, 2015, 11:28 PM > > Still some hair > ! So the idea of those hoods is to either blow > them up with your lungs BEFORE you put the hood on or to > charge them with air through the valve. And then breath > normally on the way up, or continue to exhale on the way up > rather. I can see that they could be helpful on the > surface in rough seas to help you from gulping some water > when you first pop up. Brian > > --- > personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > To: > Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:16:01 -0500 > > There's still hair on your > head????? > On Fri, Jan 2, > 2015 at 11:13 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > I finally got into it, but > I have marks on my head now ! That's a good idea to > have it revamped. Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: > > From: Alec Smyth via > Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Steinke Hood > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:09:34 -0500 > > Those eBay units are old and the neck seal has > hardened. You should be able to get your head in if you > first stretch the neck seal hard with both hands. Carsten > took his to a wetsuit maker and had him put in new neoprene > seals. > Best, > > Alec > On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Brian Cox > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > I > think my head is too big to fit into this thing > ! Brian > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 3 14:35:29 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 13:35:29 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Message-ID: I could spare a total of 4. I'd sell them for $25. Thanks, Scott Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: John Kammerer via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 3:01 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Hi Scott: How many can you spare, I could use 6. What is the cost, can they go via USPS? John Kammerer SubsCT, LLC P.O. Box 55193 Bridgeport, CT 06610-5193 (203) 414-1000 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:04 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: If anyone needs some stankie hoods I bougt a few. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 9:44 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at. Hmmm lets see macaroni and tenting instead of hotel for a while............... Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: John Kammerer via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 3:01 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Hi Scott: How many can you spare, I could use 6. What is the cost, can they go via USPS? John Kammerer SubsCT, LLC P.O. Box 55193 Bridgeport, CT 06610-5193 (203) 414-1000 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:04 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: If anyone needs some stankie hoods I bougt a few. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/02/2015 9:44 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape suit Brian, I just got a price for the Mark 10 suit from Silvercrest Submarines 3,500 GBP so what is that is what 5K US A bit pricy but worth looking at. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 5 15:01:41 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53258030.2903440.1420488101507.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10067.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott,Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs.One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also.I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year,he might confirm.They told me they were losing funding for operating themas Govt considered rovs were better value for money.Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 5 16:02:18 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:02:18 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces In-Reply-To: <53258030.2903440.1420488101507.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10067.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <53258030.2903440.1420488101507.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10067.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8D1F74206A7789A-1F64-7FA9A@webmail-vd019.sysops.aol.com> P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 5 16:24:58 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 15:24:58 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Message-ID: <0e0d99ichu5e9pqf75o972hr.1420493098987@email.android.com> Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome.? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 5 16:35:42 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:35:42 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces In-Reply-To: <0e0d99ichu5e9pqf75o972hr.1420493098987@email.android.com> References: <0e0d99ichu5e9pqf75o972hr.1420493098987@email.android.com> Message-ID: <8D1F746B1014A24-23B0-A5090@webmail-m280.sysops.aol.com> Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 5 16:52:32 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 15:52:32 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Message-ID: I am simontainiously working on a design for a deep boat, but would prefer a overhaul if I got lucky enough. I sent silvercrest a e-mail. I'll send one to phil too. Let me know if you hear of any leads or get any ideas.? 12 tons is no problem what so ever for hauling via truck and trailer for me. The bigger problem is the getting the sub to the dive site.? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 5 17:24:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:24:57 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces In-Reply-To: <8D1F746B1014A24-23B0-A5090@webmail-m280.sysops.aol.com> References: <0e0d99ichu5e9pqf75o972hr.1420493098987@email.android.com> <8D1F746B1014A24-23B0-A5090@webmail-m280.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <54ab0f49.c323460a.5864.50ae@mx.google.com> Scott, I bought the Comsub off Silvercrest and got done. Also heard of a couple of others who had unhappy dealings with them. They are showing Comsub as on their sales page without any contact with me. Basically they are a one man & wife team with extravagant claims on the Website. Read Vance?s 2nd sentence and remember it. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, 6 January 2015 10:36 a.m. To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan _____ From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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Read Vance?s 2nd sentence and remember it. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, 6 January 2015 10:36 a.m. To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 5 18:37:04 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 17:37:04 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Message-ID: Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 5 19:34:47 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:34:47 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D1F75FB546E0DF-2368-5EC0E@webmail-vd006.sysops.aol.com> International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 5 21:44:49 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:44:49 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 07:26:59 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Mark via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 07:26:59 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors Message-ID: <9993BB70-F32C-42B1-8E49-706430F37E4D@nc.rr.com> Folks, I know many of the PSUBs members use SCUBA tanks as the source for ballast air. Can you tell me the best (and cheapest) way to connect 4 external SCUBA air tanks? I'm using a single NPT thru hull fitting with stainless braided hoses to connect the incoming SCUBA Tank air to an internal regulator. I'm looking for the best way to interface to the a SCUBA tanks. As always, I appreciate your thoughts. Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 07:44:58 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 06:44:58 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors Message-ID: Mark, A great way in my opinion is is standard scuba tank filling whip. You can have them made without the pressure release so you don't have to worry about the pressure release comming undone and having a external leak.? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Mark via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 6:26 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion , Mark Widman Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors Folks, I know many of the PSUBs members use SCUBA tanks as the source for ballast air. Can you tell me the best (and cheapest) way to connect 4 external SCUBA air tanks? I'm using a single NPT thru hull fitting with stainless braided hoses to connect the incoming SCUBA Tank air to an internal regulator. I'm looking for the best way to interface to the a SCUBA tanks. As always, I appreciate your thoughts. Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 07:49:16 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 06:49:16 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Message-ID: <8nlldjpwt5ichff4ufoisdob.1420548556764@email.android.com> Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 09:02:59 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:02:59 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces In-Reply-To: <8nlldjpwt5ichff4ufoisdob.1420548556764@email.android.com> References: <8nlldjpwt5ichff4ufoisdob.1420548556764@email.android.com> Message-ID: <8D1F7D09C9BC262-F24-A6257@webmail-m262.sysops.aol.com> It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without cyrillic operating manuals). I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could really show her off. We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option, Scott? No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 09:12:21 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 08:12:21 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Message-ID: <9blbf44m7w36vgcrg5flo8gl.1420553541546@email.android.com> My currnet design is having to resort to 516 gr70 which will greatly decrease what I can do, but I am getting pinned down by it. I would be game for it though Vance. I am just currently hoping to find a deep diver I could rescue from the junk yard and get them back in service. Any suggestions or ideas are greatly welcome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without cyrillic operating manuals). I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could really show her off. We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option, Scott? No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 10:00:20 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 07:00:20 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, I agree with Scott, We are doing the same thing with the external HP air on the SeaQuestor. Individual whips for each tank connected to a DIN valve on a thru hull. Even custom made lengths are pretty cheap. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 4:44 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Mark, > A great way in my opinion is is standard scuba tank filling whip. You can > have them made without the pressure release so you don't have to worry > about the pressure release comming undone and having a external leak. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/06/2015 6:26 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion , Mark Widman > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors > > Folks, > > I know many of the PSUBs members use SCUBA tanks as the source for ballast > air. Can you tell me the best (and cheapest) way to connect 4 external > SCUBA air tanks? I'm using a single NPT thru hull fitting with stainless > braided hoses to connect the incoming SCUBA Tank air to an internal > regulator. > > I'm looking for the best way to interface to the a SCUBA tanks. As > always, I appreciate your thoughts. > > Regards, > > Mark... > > Sent from iPhone. > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 10:05:55 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 16:05:55 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors In-Reply-To: <9993BB70-F32C-42B1-8E49-706430F37E4D@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: What kind of Scuba connector do you have? DIN is the most favourable . I use a DIN filler hose which can be connected (both UNF 7/16") to Swagelok fittings. Regards, Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 6 januari 2015 13:27 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion; Mark Widman Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors Folks, I know many of the PSUBs members use SCUBA tanks as the source for ballast air. Can you tell me the best (and cheapest) way to connect 4 external SCUBA air tanks? I'm using a single NPT thru hull fitting with stainless braided hoses to connect the incoming SCUBA Tank air to an internal regulator. I'm looking for the best way to interface to the a SCUBA tanks. As always, I appreciate your thoughts. Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 10:09:44 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 10:09:44 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, I get all that sort of hardware from the place below. They have every adapter you can think of, and will combine them for you to make whips of the right length, oxygen cleaned, etc. Whatever you need. http://www.deep-six.com/page30.htm Best, Alec On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:44 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Mark, > A great way in my opinion is is standard scuba tank filling whip. You can > have them made without the pressure release so you don't have to worry > about the pressure release comming undone and having a external leak. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/06/2015 6:26 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion , Mark Widman > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors > > Folks, > > I know many of the PSUBs members use SCUBA tanks as the source for ballast > air. Can you tell me the best (and cheapest) way to connect 4 external > SCUBA air tanks? I'm using a single NPT thru hull fitting with stainless > braided hoses to connect the incoming SCUBA Tank air to an internal > regulator. > > I'm looking for the best way to interface to the a SCUBA tanks. As > always, I appreciate your thoughts. > > Regards, > > Mark... > > Sent from iPhone. > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 10:57:50 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 09:57:50 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo Message-ID: An update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water after a insurance claim some time ago.? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without cyrillic operating manuals). I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could really show her off. We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option, Scott? No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 11:12:28 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:12:28 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting thing, the order of those two events! On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:57 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > An update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water after a > insurance claim some time ago. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, > just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that > those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of > the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the > ones without cyrillic operating manuals). > > I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made > from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! > Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or > enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. > > If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there > would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's > stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I > think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could > really show her off. > > We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower > Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the > subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for > 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option, Scott? > > No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 > foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum > pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a > fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. > > Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. > Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to > build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be > better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. > > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the > material and building of the personel sphere. > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! > > Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have > four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL > (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and > may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry > Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There > are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, > actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was > in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the > sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance > mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his > untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working > sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery > Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind > enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west > coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer > clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and > P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago > that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to > it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the > P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building > one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first > thou, the spheres get much more expensive. > Reagards > Phil > > *From:* mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > *Sent:* Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was > one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's > happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, > too. He knew/knows all those guys. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > Vance, > Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. > Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half > an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle > with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has > an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if > the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). > The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward > VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so > distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just > in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The > P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques > Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I > understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her > well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. > That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up > that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you > anytime on one of those. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and > maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a > 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > P-I Scrapped out by Vickers > P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) > P-III ? > P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) > P-V Ditto > P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out > P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) > P-VIII Nuytco > P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) > P-X Nuytco > P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) > > Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, > along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on > and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the > owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, > but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. > > I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, > but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm > betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at > the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on > steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated > P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, > added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. > Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but > maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you > have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! > > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > Scott, > Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. > One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. > I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, > he might confirm. > They told me they were losing funding for operating them > as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* psubs > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe > there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 13:07:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 13:07:24 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D1F7F2C21BD1B2-1B40-7ECBE@webmail-vm104.sysops.aol.com> Oh, man. I hope some son of a bitch went to jail for that. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 10:58 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo An update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water after a insurance claim some time ago. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without cyrillic operating manuals). I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could really show her off. We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option, Scott? No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 13:12:30 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 10:12:30 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420567950.87593.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, Did he say where and how deep? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM An update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water after a insurance claim some time ago.?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without cyrillic operating manuals). I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could really show her off. We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for 2000 feet, which ain't bad.?How about that for an option, Scott? No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! ? Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs? . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it? was in parts. Likewise, P-6? is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend? Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes? and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil ? From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan ? From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. ? Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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Makes me sad though :( Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 12:12 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo Scott, Did he say where and how deep? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM An update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water after a insurance claim some time ago. Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without cyrillic operating manuals). I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could really show her off. We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option, Scott? No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 13:25:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 10:25:03 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo In-Reply-To: <1420567950.87593.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1420568703.13824.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in domes, one at each end. One end opens as the hatch. My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70 steel with a CT. It had a deal worked out at 50K landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 PM Scott, Did he say where and how deep? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM An update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water after a insurance claim some time ago.?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/06/2015? 8:02 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without cyrillic operating manuals). I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could really show her off. We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for 2000 feet, which ain't bad.?How about that for an option, Scott? No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/05/2015? 8:44 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! ? Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs? . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it? was in parts. Likewise, P-6? is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend? Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes? and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil ? From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan ? From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. ? Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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Do you have any pics of her? My goal is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo Scott, I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in domes, one at each end. One end opens as the hatch. My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70 steel with a CT. It had a deal worked out at 50K landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 PM Scott, Did he say where and how deep? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM An update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water after a insurance claim some time ago. Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without cyrillic operating manuals). I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could really show her off. We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option, Scott? No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 13:46:30 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 10:46:30 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420569990.60430.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I lost the pics in a pc problem You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he was the agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag along. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM That might be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come up.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo Scott, I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in Tenerife Spain.? The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in domes, one at each end.? One end opens as the hatch.? My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70 steel with a CT.? It had a deal worked out at 50K landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. Hank? -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 PM Scott, Did he say where and how deep? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM ? ? An ? update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water ? after a insurance claim some time ? ago.?Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/06/2015? 8:02 AM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? It would surely be nice to find ? Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old ? time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually ? certain that those particular hull(s) were built of ? A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the ? boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without ? cyrillic operating manuals). ? ? ? ? ? I don't remember how thick the steel ? was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, ? the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that ? thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two ? (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture ? window in the front. ? ? ? ? ? ? If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last ? P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them ? out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's ? stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by ? comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it ? all fell apart before we could really show her ? off. ? ? ? ? ? ? We did all the deepwater pilot training ? in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These ? days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and ? propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for ? 2000 feet, which ain't bad.?How about that for an option, ? Scott? ? ? ? ? ? ? No fancy steel. Huge ? viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot ? sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle ? Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to ? support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could ? probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. ? ? ? ? ? ? Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh ? that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight ? compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, ? easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be ? better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck ? of the woods. ? ? ? ? ? Vance ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -----Original Message----- ? ? From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same ? problems of the material and building of the personel ? sphere. ? ? Scott Waters ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my U.S. ? Cellular? Smartphone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles? ? ? Date:01/05/2015? 8:44 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal ? subbers!! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs? ? . .We (Nuytco) have ? four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in ? Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii ? Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, ? currently and may be sold ? off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry ? Kerby and his crew ? rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are ? two Pisces boats in ? Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , ? outside a museum). ? Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it? was in parts. ? Likewise, P-6? ? is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of ? IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) ? and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a ? deal with my old ? friend? Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to ? have first dibs on ? buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces ? display section at our ? long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology ? museum. His sons, Lionel ? and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes? ? and we will arrange ? shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. ? Would appreciate it if ? you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild ? to the same condition ? as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ? ?Leo? ? I heard some years ? ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ? ultimately happened to ? it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to ? use from the P-boats ? now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better ? off building one from ? scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the ? first thou, the spheres ? get much more expensive. ? ? ? Reagards ? ? ? Phil ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? ? ? ? ? Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM ? ? ? To: Personal ? Submersibles General ? Discussion ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. ? ? ? Thanks, ? ? ? Scott Waters ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my U.S. ? Cellular? ? Smartphone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: via ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? Date:01/05/2015 6:34 ? PM (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? ? ? Subject: Re: ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? International Underwater ? Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE ? deep diving ? construction companies in the world. No idea what's ? happened up there in the ? last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He ? knew/knows all those ? guys. ? ? Vance ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -----Original ? Message----- ? ? From: swaters at waters-ks.com ? via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General ? Discussion ? ? Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 ? 6:37 pm ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Vance, ? ? ? Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should ? probably know this. Haha. ? I figure it's worth at least trying. ? ? ? Thanks, ? ? ? Scott Waters ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my U.S. ? Cellular? ? Smartphone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: via ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? Anything is possible, Scott. ? SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. ? Or at least they'll ? try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I ? don't think they'll respect ? anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying ? around. I've never asked. ? You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. ? There are four pressure ? vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft ? floatation sphere, and the ? two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the ? fiberglas brow that makes the P ? boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve ? tons, depending. ? Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for ? load capability. The ? P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was ? fabricated in Jacques ? Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was ? lap finished, as I ? understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I ? remember her well. ? Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into ? a dumpster. That might ? be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero ? contacts up that way ? anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for ? you anytime on one of ? those. ? ? Vance ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -----Original ? Message----- ? ? From: swaters at waters-ks.com ? via ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? To: ? Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? Sent: ? Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing ? to locate one and ? maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than ? try to build a 1000m ? boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. ? ? ? ? Thanks, ? ? ? Scott Waters ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my U.S. ? Cellular? ? Smartphone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: via ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? P-I Scrapped out by ? Vickers ? ? P-II Rumored ? to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) ? ? ? P-III ? ? ? ? P-IV In Hawaii and ? in service (but stony broke, I hear) ? ? ? P-V ? Ditto ? ? P-VI ? IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted ? out ? ? ? P-VII In a Russian ? museum (Sevastopol, I think) ? ? ? P-VIII ? Nuytco ? ? ? P-IX ? Design ? study for Intersub (4K ? meters, never built) ? ? P-X Nuytco ? ? ? P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front ? doors, last I ? saw) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces ? style rated to 2000' ? which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats ? that I qualified on ? and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good ? one for me or the ? owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V ? overhaul in Houston, but ? I'm not sure that counts except for the busted ? knuckles. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I think the boys at Silvercrest might ? have one of the question ? marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves ? one unaccounted for. I'm ? betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if ? you look at the ? Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces ? boats on steroids. ? Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and ? operated P-VII and P-XII ? for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added ? a pile of rubles, ? and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 ? & Mir 2, by name. ? The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but ? maintenance heavy. And rest ? assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled ? a Pisces battery box at ? sea to change one cell. What a job!!! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Vance ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -----Original ? Message----- ? ? From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles ? ? To: ? Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? Sent: ? Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Scott, ? ? ? Hawaii ? undersea research lab on Oahu has two ? subs. ? ? ? One I know ? is a Pisces & I believe the ? other is also. ? ? ? I think ? David Columbo has seen them in the ? last year, ? ? ? he might ? confirm. ? ? ? They told me they were losing ? funding for operating them ? ? ? as Govt considered rovs were ? better value for money. ? ? ? Alan ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? From: "swaters at waters-ks.com ? via ? Personal_Submersibles" ? ? To: psubs ? ? ? ? ? Sent: Tuesday, ? January 6, 2015 ? 7:27 AM ? ? Subject: ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Does ? anyone know what happened to all ? the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but ? only one or two that ? are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks, ? ? ? Scott ? Waters ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my U.S. ? Cellular? ? Smartphone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? ? Personal_Submersibles ? mailing list ? ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo Scott, I lost the pics in a pc problem You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he was the agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag along. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM That might be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come up.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo Scott, I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in domes, one at each end. One end opens as the hatch. My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70 steel with a CT. It had a deal worked out at 50K landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 PM Scott, Did he say where and how deep? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM An update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep water after a insurance claim some time ago. Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces It would surely be nice to find Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually certain that those particular hull(s) were built of A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of the boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones without cyrillic operating manuals). I don't remember how thick the steel was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for two (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture window in the front. If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, it all fell apart before we could really show her off. We did all the deepwater pilot training in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that for an option, Scott? No fancy steel. Huge viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more agile, easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my neck of the woods. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same problems of the material and building of the personel sphere. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal subbers!! Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs . .We (Nuytco) have four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are in Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, currently and may be sold off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because Terry Kerby and his crew rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are two Pisces boats in Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually , outside a museum). Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in parts. Likewise, P-6 is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut a deal with my old friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to have first dibs on buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces display section at our long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology museum. His sons, Lionel and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes and we will arrange shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. Would appreciate it if you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to rebuild to the same condition as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ?Leo? ? I heard some years ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ultimately happened to it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able to use from the P-boats now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better off building one from scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the first thou, the spheres get much more expensive. Reagards Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces International Underwater Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of THE deep diving construction companies in the world. No idea what's happened up there in the last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He knew/knows all those guys. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Vance, Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should probably know this. Haha. I figure it's worth at least trying. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Anything is possible, Scott. SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an opportunity. Or at least they'll try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I don't think they'll respect anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying around. I've never asked. You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. There are four pressure vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft floatation sphere, and the two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the fiberglas brow that makes the P boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to twelve tons, depending. Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for load capability. The P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was fabricated in Jacques Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was lap finished, as I understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I remember her well. Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into a dumpster. That might be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero contacts up that way anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for you anytime on one of those. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing to locate one and maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than try to build a 1000m boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces P-I Scrapped out by Vickers P-II Rumored to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) P-III ? P-IV In Hawaii and in service (but stony broke, I hear) P-V Ditto P-VI IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted out P-VII In a Russian museum (Sevastopol, I think) P-VIII Nuytco P-IX Design study for Intersub (4K meters, never built) P-X Nuytco P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front doors, last I saw) Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces style rated to 2000' which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco boats that I qualified on and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good one for me or the owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V overhaul in Houston, but I'm not sure that counts except for the busted knuckles. I think the boys at Silvercrest might have one of the question marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves one unaccounted for. I'm betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, if you look at the Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces boats on steroids. Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and operated P-VII and P-XII for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, added a pile of rubles, and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 & Mir 2, by name. The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but maintenance heavy. And rest assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled a Pisces battery box at sea to change one cell. What a job!!! Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Scott, Hawaii undersea research lab on Oahu has two subs. One I know is a Pisces & I believe the other is also. I think David Columbo has seen them in the last year, he might confirm. They told me they were losing funding for operating them as Govt considered rovs were better value for money. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:27 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces Does anyone know what happened to all the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, but only one or two that are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 15:16:55 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 15:16:55 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo In-Reply-To: <29aic763g7dtop2d9ey5usas.1420574679319@email.android.com> References: <29aic763g7dtop2d9ey5usas.1420574679319@email.android.com> Message-ID: Scott, this does not look like it could do any surface run to speak of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! Best, Alec On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Ok. Thanks Hank. > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > > > Scott, > I lost the pics in a pc problem You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he > was the agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag along. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM > > That > might be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal > is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come > up.Thanks,Scott Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > > > Scott, > I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort > you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in > Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in > domes, one at each end. One end opens as the > hatch. My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70 > steel with a CT. It had a deal worked out at 50K > landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. > Hank -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 PM > > > Scott, > Did he say where and how deep? > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General > Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM > > An > update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in > deep > water > after a insurance claim some time > ago. Thanks,Scott > Waters > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > It would surely be nice to find > Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just > for old > time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm > virtually > certain that those particular hull(s) were built of > A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most > of > the > boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones > without > cyrillic operating manuals). > > > > > I don't remember how thick the steel > was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. > Plus, > the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving > that > thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room > for > two > (or enough for three good friends) and that huge > picture > window in the front. > > > > > > If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last > P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of > them > out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's > stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by > comparison) and I think it was a really good try. > Sadly, > it > all fell apart before we could really show her > off. > > > > > > We did all the deepwater pilot training > in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. > These > days, she'd be even better, because the > subsystems and > propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated > for > 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that > for an option, > Scott? > > > > > > No fancy steel. Huge > viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 > foot > sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of > uncle > Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam > to > support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You > could > probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. > > > > > > Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh > that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a > lightweight > compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more > agile, > easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could > be > better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for > my > neck > of the woods. > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the > same > problems of the material and building of the > personel > sphere. > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal > subbers!! > > > > > > Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces > subs > . .We (Nuytco) have > four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 > are > in > Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii > Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of > service, > currently and may be sold > off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, > because > Terry > Kerby and his crew > rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There > are > two Pisces boats in > Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, > actually > , > outside a museum). > Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in > parts. > Likewise, P-6 > is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking > of > IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) > and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I > cut > a > deal with my old > friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely > death) to > have first dibs on > buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? > Hyco/Pisces > display section at our > long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving > technology > museum. His sons, Lionel > and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s > wishes > and we will arrange > shipment to the west coast when the weather gets > better. > Would appreciate it if > you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to > rebuild > to the same condition > as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . > ?Leo? ? I heard some years > ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea > what > ultimately happened to > it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be > able > to > use from the P-boats > now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be > better > off building one from > scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after > the > first thou, the spheres > get much more expensive. > > > Reagards > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM > > > To: Personal > Submersibles General > Discussion > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. > > > Thanks, > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? > Smartphone > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: via > Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/05/2015 6:34 > PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > International Underwater > Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one > of > THE > deep diving > construction companies in the world. No idea > what's > happened up there in the > last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. > He > knew/knows all those > guys. > > Vance > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General > Discussion > > Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 > 6:37 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > Vance, > > > Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should > probably know this. Haha. > I figure it's worth at least trying. > > > Thanks, > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? > Smartphone > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: via > Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > Anything is possible, Scott. > SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an > opportunity. > Or at least they'll > try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I > don't think they'll respect > anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one > laying > around. I've never asked. > You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are > salvageable. > There are four pressure > vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an > aft > floatation sphere, and the > two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under > the > fiberglas brow that makes the P > boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten > to > twelve > tons, depending. > Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds > for > load capability. The > P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was > fabricated in Jacques > Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and > was > lap finished, as I > understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, > P-VI. I > remember her well. > Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it > out into > a dumpster. That might > be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero > contacts up that way > anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a > wrench for > you anytime on one of > those. > > Vance > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com > via > Personal_Submersibles > > > To: > Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: > Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was > hopeing > to locate one and > maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather > than > try to build a 1000m > boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be > awesome. > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? > Smartphone > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: via > Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > P-I Scrapped out by > Vickers > > P-II Rumored > to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) > > > P-III ? > > > P-IV In Hawaii and > in service (but stony broke, I hear) > > > P-V > Ditto > > P-VI > IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted > out > > > P-VII In a Russian > museum (Sevastopol, I think) > > > P-VIII > Nuytco > > > P-IX > Design > study for Intersub (4K > meters, never built) > > P-X Nuytco > > > P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front > doors, last I > saw) > > > > > > > > Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces > style rated to 2000' > which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only > Hyco > boats > that I qualified on > and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a > good > one for me or the > owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V > overhaul in Houston, but > I'm not sure that counts except for the busted > knuckles. > > > > > > > > I think the boys at Silvercrest might > have one of the question > marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that > leaves > one unaccounted for. I'm > betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side > note, > if > you look at the > Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are > Pisces > boats on steroids. > Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and > operated P-VII and P-XII > for years after that, then took all those dandy > ideas, > added > a pile of rubles, > and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir > 1 > & Mir 2, by name. > The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but > maintenance heavy. And rest > assured, you haven't really lived until you have > pulled > a Pisces battery box at > sea to change one cell. What a job!!! > > > > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: > Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: > Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott, > > > Hawaii > undersea research lab on Oahu has two > subs. > > > One I know > is a Pisces & I believe the > other is also. > > > I think > David Columbo has seen them in the > last year, > > > he might > confirm. > > > They told me they were losing > funding for operating them > > > as Govt considered rovs were > better value for money. > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "swaters at waters-ks.com > via > Personal_Submersibles" > > > To: psubs > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, > January 6, 2015 > 7:27 AM > > Subject: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does > anyone know what happened to all > the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built, > but > only one or two that > are still in operation. I think NOAA has one. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott > Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? > Smartphone > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing > list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wrangler_IMG_0023.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 30312 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 16:45:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 13:45:57 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420580757.70368.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alec, I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with CT would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the hull( over 2in thick GPR) It would be a pretty simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some external rings and your away. I actually saw this sub in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were after :-) Hank------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM Scott, this does not look like it could do any surface run to speak of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! Best, Alec ? On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Ok. Thanks Hank.Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo Scott, I lost the pics in a pc problem?? You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he was the agent.? If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag along.? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM That might be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come up.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/06/2015? 12:25 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo Scott, I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in Tenerife Spain.? The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in domes, one at each end.? One end opens as the hatch.? My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70 steel with a CT.? It had a deal worked out at 50K landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. Hank? -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 PM ? ? ? Scott, ? Did he say where and how deep? ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com ? via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM ? ? An ? update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in deep ? water ? after a insurance claim some time ? ago.?Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/06/2015? 8:02 AM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? It would surely be nice to find ? Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just for old ? time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm virtually ? certain that those particular hull(s) were built of ? A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most of ? the ? boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones ? without ? cyrillic operating manuals). ? ? ? ? ? I don't remember how thick the steel ? was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. Plus, ? the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving that ? thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room for ? two ? (or enough for three good friends) and that huge picture ? window in the front. ? ? ? ? ? ? If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last ? P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of them ? out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's ? stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by ? comparison) and I think it was a really good try. Sadly, ? it ? all fell apart before we could really show her ? off. ? ? ? ? ? ? We did all the deepwater pilot training ? in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. These ? days, she'd be even better, because the subsystems and ? propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated for ? 2000 feet, which ain't bad.?How about that for an option, ? Scott? ? ? ? ? ? ? No fancy steel. Huge ? viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 foot ? sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of uncle ? Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam to ? support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You could ? probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons. ? ? ? ? ? ? Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh ? that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a lightweight ? compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more ? agile, ? easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could be ? better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for my ? neck ? of the woods. ? ? ? ? ? Vance ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -----Original Message----- ? ? From: swaters at waters-ks.com ? via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 7:49 am ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the same ? problems of the material and building of the personel ? sphere. ? ? Scott Waters ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my U.S. ? Cellular? Smartphone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles? ? ? Date:01/05/2015? 8:44 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal ? subbers!! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces subs? ? . .We (Nuytco) have ? four Hyco boats ? 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 are ? in ? Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii ? Underwater Research Lab) ? they are out of service, ? currently and may be sold ? off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not, because ? Terry ? Kerby and his crew ? rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There are ? two Pisces boats in ? Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, actually ? , ? outside a museum). ? Pisces ?1, is in the UK, last seen, it? was in parts. ? Likewise, P-6? ? is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking of ? IUC?s vessel ?Aloha?) ? and what?s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I cut ? a ? deal with my old ? friend? Andre Galerne (before his untimely death) to ? have first dibs on ? buying P-6 to go into the ?working sub? Hyco/Pisces ? display section at our ? long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving technology ? museum. His sons, Lionel ? and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre?s wishes? ? and we will arrange ? shipment to the west coast when the weather gets better. ? Would appreciate it if ? you would steer clear of this one ? we do plan to ? rebuild ? to the same condition ? as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . ? ?Leo? ? I heard some years ? ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea what ? ultimately happened to ? it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be able ? to ? use from the P-boats ? now is the personnel sphere ? you?d probably be better ? off building one from ? scratch if you want a thousand feet or less ? after the ? first thou, the spheres ? get much more expensive. ? ? ? Reagards ? ? ? Phil ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? ? ? ? ? Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:43 PM ? ? ? To: Personal ? Submersibles General ? Discussion ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. ? ? ? Thanks, ? ? ? Scott Waters ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my U.S. ? Cellular? ? Smartphone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: via ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? Date:01/05/2015 6:34 ? PM (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? ? ? Subject: Re: ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? International Underwater ? Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one of ? THE ? deep diving ? construction companies in the world. No idea what's ? happened up there in the ? last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too. He ? knew/knows all those ? guys. ? ? Vance ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -----Original ? Message----- ? ? From: swaters at waters-ks.com ? via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General ? Discussion ? ? Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 ? 6:37 pm ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Vance, ? ? ? Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should ? probably know this. Haha. ? I figure it's worth at least trying. ? ? ? Thanks, ? ? ? Scott Waters ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my U.S. ? Cellular? ? Smartphone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: via ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? Anything is possible, Scott. ? SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an ? opportunity. ? Or at least they'll ? try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I ? don't think they'll respect ? anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one laying ? around. I've never asked. ? You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are salvageable. ? There are four pressure ? vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an aft ? floatation sphere, and the ? two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under the ? fiberglas brow that makes the P ? boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten to ? twelve ? tons, depending. ? Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds for ? load capability. The ? P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was ? fabricated in Jacques ? Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and was ? lap finished, as I ? understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing, P-VI. I ? remember her well. ? Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it out into ? a dumpster. That might ? be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero ? contacts up that way ? anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a wrench for ? you anytime on one of ? those. ? ? Vance ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -----Original ? Message----- ? ? From: swaters at waters-ks.com ? via ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? To: ? Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? Sent: ? Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was hopeing ? to locate one and ? maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather than ? try to build a 1000m ? boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be awesome. ? ? ? ? Thanks, ? ? ? Scott Waters ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sent from my U.S. ? Cellular? ? Smartphone ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: via ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? P-I Scrapped out by ? Vickers ? ? P-II Rumored ? to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed) ? ? ? P-III ? ? ? ? P-IV In Hawaii and ? in service (but stony broke, I hear) ? ? ? P-V ? Ditto ? ? P-VI ? IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted ? out ? ? ? P-VII In a Russian ? museum (Sevastopol, I think) ? ? ? P-VIII ? Nuytco ? ? ? P-IX ? Design ? study for Intersub (4K ? meters, never built) ? ? P-X Nuytco ? ? ? P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front ? doors, last I ? saw) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces ? style rated to 2000' ? which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only Hyco ? boats ? that I qualified on ? and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a good ? one for me or the ? owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V ? overhaul in Houston, but ? I'm not sure that counts except for the busted ? knuckles. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I think the boys at Silvercrest might ? have one of the question ? marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that leaves ? one unaccounted for. I'm ? betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side note, ? if ? you look at the ? Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are Pisces ? boats on steroids. ? Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and ? operated P-VII and P-XII ? for years after that, then took all those dandy ideas, ? added ? a pile of rubles, ? and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir 1 ? & Mir 2, by name. ? The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but ? maintenance heavy. And rest ? assured, you haven't really lived until you have pulled ? a Pisces battery box at ? sea to change one cell. What a job!!! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Vance ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -----Original ? Message----- ? ? From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles ? ? To: ? Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? Sent: ? Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Scott, ? ? ? Hawaii ? undersea research lab on Oahu has two ? subs. ? ? ? One I know ? is a Pisces & I believe the ? other is also. ? ? ? I think ? David Columbo has seen them in the ? last year, ? ? ? he might ? confirm. ? ? ? They told me they were losing ? funding for operating them ? ? ? as Govt considered rovs were ? better value for money. ? ? ? Alan ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? From: "swaters at waters-ks.com ? via ? Personal_Submersibles" ? ? To: psubs ? ? ? ? ? Sent: Tuesday, ? January 6, 2015 ? 7:27 AM ? ? 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I reached out to George at Deep-Six and he's setting us up with all the proper connectors. Thanks again, Mark.., Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 6, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > I get all that sort of hardware from the place below. They have every adapter you can think of, and will combine them for you to make whips of the right length, oxygen cleaned, etc. Whatever you need. > > http://www.deep-six.com/page30.htm > > > Best, > > Alec > > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:44 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Mark, >> A great way in my opinion is is standard scuba tank filling whip. You can have them made without the pressure release so you don't have to worry about the pressure release comming undone and having a external leak. >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Mark via Personal_Submersibles >> Date:01/06/2015 6:26 AM (GMT-06:00) >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion , Mark Widman >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SCUBA Tank Connectors >> >> Folks, >> >> I know many of the PSUBs members use SCUBA tanks as the source for ballast air. Can you tell me the best (and cheapest) way to connect 4 external SCUBA air tanks? I'm using a single NPT thru hull fitting with stainless braided hoses to connect the incoming SCUBA Tank air to an internal regulator. >> >> I'm looking for the best way to interface to the a SCUBA tanks. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 18:13:36 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Private via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 18:13:36 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo In-Reply-To: <1420580757.70368.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420580757.70368.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But that's about the extent of it. Thanks, Alec > On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Alec, > I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with CT would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the hull( over 2in thick GPR) It would be a pretty simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some external rings and your away. I actually saw this sub in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were after :-) > Hank------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM > > Scott, > this does not look like it could do any surface run to speak > of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you > and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! > Best, > > Alec > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 > PM, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Ok. Thanks > Hank.Scott > Waters > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message > -------- > From: > hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM > (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles > General Discussion > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > > > Scott, > I lost the pics in a pc > problem You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he was the > agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag > along. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal > Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM > > That > might > be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal > is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what > options come > up.Thanks,Scott Waters > > Sent > from > my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal Submersibles General > Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > Leo > > > > Scott, > I don't know how deep you want > to go and how much effort > you want to put > in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in > > Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in > domes, one at each end. One end opens as > the > hatch. My idea was to replace the > hull with 516-70 > steel with a CT. It had > a deal worked out at 50K > landed in > Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. > > Hank -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal > Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 > PM > > > Scott, > Did he say where > and how deep? > > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > > > wrote: > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: > "Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 > AM > > An > update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was > sunk in > deep > water > after a insurance claim some time > ago. Thanks,Scott > > Waters > Sent > from my > U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > It would surely be nice to find > Leo. I'd go into hock again for that > one, just > for old > > time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm > virtually > certain that > those particular hull(s) were built of > > A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most > of > the > > boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones > without > cyrillic > operating manuals). > > > > > > > I don't remember how thick the steel > > was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. > Plus, > the main viewport > was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving > that > thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty > of room > for > two > (or enough for three good friends) and that > huge > picture > window in > the front. > > > > > > > If Hyco had survived (Leo was their > last > P-style boat) I'm betting there > would be more of > them > > out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's > stranglehold on the shallow water market > (shallow by > comparison) and I think it > was a really good try. > Sadly, > it > all fell apart before > we could really show her > off. > > > > > > > > We did all the deepwater pilot training > > in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. > These > days, she'd be > even better, because the > subsystems and > propulsion gear is so much better. That sub > was rated > for > 2000 > feet, which ain't bad. How about that > > for an option, > Scott? > > > > > > > > No fancy steel. Huge > viewport. 600 > meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 > > foot > sphere displaces less than 6-tons. > Add a pair of > uncle > > Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam > to > support them. Fair the > thing like a fat tadpole. You > could > probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 > tons. > > > > > > > Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats > weigh > that, and a good bit more. Yours > would be a > lightweight > > compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more > agile, > easier to > maintain..... The list goes on. What could > > be > better? Damn, I want one!!! It would > be perfect for > my > > neck > of the woods. > > > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > > > > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 > 7:49 am > > Subject: > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info > Phil. I keep running into the > same > problems of the material and building of > the > personel > sphere. > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? > Smartphone > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > From: Phil Nuytten via > Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Guys, and Happy > New Year to all loyal > subbers!! > > > > > > > Glad to shed some little light on the > Pisces > subs > . .We > (Nuytco) have > four Hyco boats ? > 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 > are > in > Hawaii at HURL > (Hawaii > Underwater Research Lab) ? > they are out of > service, > > currently and may be sold > off if no > funding is forthcoming. I hope not, > > because > Terry > Kerby > and his crew > rebuilt them into the > cream of the Pisces crop! There > are > two Pisces boats in > > Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, > actually > , > > outside a museum). > Pisces ?1, is > in the UK, last seen, it was in > parts. > Likewise, P-6 > is in > parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking > of > IUC?s vessel > ?Aloha?) > and what?s left is in > New York as Vance mentions. I > cut > a > deal with my old > friend Andre Galerne (before his > untimely > death) to > have > first dibs on > buying P-6 to go into the > ?working sub? > Hyco/Pisces > display section at our > > long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving > technology > museum. His > sons, Lionel > and Eric were kind enough > to honour Andre?s > wishes > and we will arrange > > shipment to the west coast when the weather gets > better. > Would appreciate > it if > you would steer clear of this one > ? we do plan to > rebuild > to the same condition > > as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . > ?Leo? ? I heard some years > ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have > no idea > what > ultimately > happened to > it. Maybe ask at > Silvercrest? About all you will be > able > to > use from the P-boats > > now is the personnel sphere ? you?d > probably be > better > off > building one from > scratch if you want a > thousand feet or less ? after > the > first thou, the spheres > > get much more expensive. > > > Reagards > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > > > Sent: Monday, > January 05, 2015 4:43 PM > > > To: Personal > Submersibles General > > Discussion > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my > U.S. > Cellular? > > Smartphone > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message > -------- > > From: via > > Personal_Submersibles > > > Date:01/05/2015 6:34 > PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > International Underwater > Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, > it was one > of > THE > deep diving > > construction companies in the world. No idea > what's > happened up > there in the > last few years. Best to > ask Dr. Phil that one, too. > He > knew/knows all those > > guys. > > Vance > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > > Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > > > > To: Personal > Submersibles General > Discussion > > Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 > > 6:37 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > > Vance, > > > > Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should > probably know this. Haha. > > I figure it's worth at least trying. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > > Cellular? > Smartphone > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > From: via > > Personal_Submersibles > > > Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) > > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > Anything is possible, Scott. > SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half > an > opportunity. > Or at > least they'll > try. You have to be > willing to wrangle with them. I > > don't think they'll respect > > anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one > laying > around. I've > never asked. > You could do a lot worse, > if the hulls are > salvageable. > There are four pressure > > vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an > aft > floatation sphere, and > the > two 32" forward VBTs > (that's what is under > the > fiberglas brow that makes the P > boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh > from ten > to > twelve > tons, depending. > Just > in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds > for > load capability. The > > P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco > ever did--it was > fabricated in Jacques > > Piccard's shop in Switzerland under > contract, and > was > lap > finished, as I > understand it--both > inside and out. Lovely thing, > P-VI. I > remember her well. > > Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it > out into > a dumpster. That > might > be another question for our Dr. > Phil, as I have zero > contacts up that > way > anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll > happily spin a > wrench for > > you anytime on one of > those. > > Vance > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com > via > > Personal_Submersibles > > > To: > > Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > > Sent: > Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent info > Vance! Thank you so much. I was > hopeing > to locate one and > > maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather > than > try to build a 1000m > > boat from scratch. Any more pointers > would be > awesome. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my > U.S. > Cellular? > > Smartphone > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message > -------- > > From: via > > Personal_Submersibles > > > Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) > > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > P-I Scrapped out by > > Vickers > > P-II > Rumored > to be in a Miami storage unit > (unconfirmed) > > > P-III ? > > > P-IV In Hawaii and > in service (but stony broke, I hear) > > > > P-V > Ditto > > P-VI > IUC warehouse in > New York, maybe parted > out > > > > P-VII In a Russian > museum (Sevastopol, I > think) > > > P-VIII > Nuytco > > > > P-IX > Design > study > for Intersub (4K > meters, never > built) > > P-X > Nuytco > > > P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front > doors, last I > saw) > > > > > > > > > > Plus Leo, which > was a big-window Pisces > style rated to > 2000' > which, along with P-VI and > Aquarius, are the only > Hyco > boats > that I qualified > on > and operated (although the P-VI > experience was not a > good > > one for me or the > owners, either > one). I did participate in a Pisces V > > overhaul in Houston, but > I'm not > sure that counts except for the busted > > knuckles. > > > > > > > > > > I think the boys at Silvercrest might > > have one of the question > marks, but > I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that > > leaves > one unaccounted for. I'm > betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. > As a side > note, > if > you look at the > Mirs, > you will see where they sprang from. They are > Pisces > boats on steroids. > > Those people worked at IUC for a couple > of years and > operated P-VII and P-XII > > for years after that, then took all > those dandy > ideas, > > added > a pile of rubles, > and built a couple of big brawny kissing > cousins. Mir > 1 > & > Mir 2, by name. > The Pisces subs were > pretty good for the day, but > maintenance > heavy. And rest > assured, you > haven't really lived until you have > > pulled > a Pisces battery box at > sea to change one cell. What a job!!! > > > > > > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original > > Message----- > > From: > Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: > > Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > > Sent: > Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott, > > > > Hawaii > undersea research lab on Oahu has > two > subs. > > > One I know > is a Pisces & I believe the > other is also. > > > I think > David Columbo has seen them in the > last year, > > > he might > confirm. > > > They told me they were > losing > funding for operating them > > > > as Govt considered rovs were > better > value for money. > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "swaters at waters-ks.com > via > > Personal_Submersibles" > > > To: psubs > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, > > January 6, 2015 > 7:27 AM > > Subject: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does > anyone know what happened to all > the Pisces submarines? I believe there was > 10 built, > but > only one > or two that > are still in operation. I > think NOAA has one. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott > Waters > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my > U.S. > Cellular? > > Smartphone > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles > > mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles > mailing > list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment > Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 6 18:20:31 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 15:20:31 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420586431.20159.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alec, When are you going to show us some pictures of your new build. Perhaps even a teaser. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM Hank, Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But that's about the extent of it. Thanks, Alec > On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Alec, > I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have no clue about GPR hulls.? I though a new hull with CT would be the ticket.? The domes rest right on the hull( over 2in thick GPR)???It would be a pretty simple hull to build.? A 32in dia tube with some? external rings and your away.? I actually saw this sub in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way to see it, they bought it to do log salvage.? My brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were after :-) > Hank------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM > > Scott, > this does not look like it could do any surface run to speak > of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you > and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! > Best, > > Alec >? > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 > PM, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Ok. Thanks > Hank.Scott > Waters > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message > -------- > From: > hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? > Date:01/06/2015? 12:46 PM > (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles > General Discussion? > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > > > Scott, > I lost the pics in a pc > problem???You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he was the > agent.? If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag > along.? > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >? Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >? To: "Personal > Submersibles General Discussion" >? Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM > >? That >? might > be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal >? is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what > options come >? up.Thanks,Scott Waters > >? Sent >? from > my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >? -------- Original message -------- >? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > >? Date:01/06/2015? 12:25 PM? (GMT-06:00) > >? To: Personal Submersibles General > Discussion? >? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > Leo > > > > Scott, >? I don't know how deep you want > to go and how much effort >? you want to put > in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in > > Tenerife Spain.? The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in >? domes, one at each end.? One end opens as > the >? hatch.? My idea was to replace the > hull with 516-70 >? steel with a CT.? It had > a deal worked out at 50K >? landed in > Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. > > Hank? -------------------------------------------- >? On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles >? > wrote: > >???Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >???To: "Personal > Submersibles General Discussion" > > >???Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:12 > PM >??? >??? >???Scott, >???Did he say where > and how deep? >? > Hank-------------------------------------------- >???On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >???via Personal_Submersibles > > >???wrote: >??? > >???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >? ? To: > "Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion" >? ? Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 > AM >? ? >? ? An >? ? update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was > sunk in >? deep >???water >? ? after a insurance claim some time >? ? ago. Thanks,Scott >??? > Waters >? ? Sent >? ? from my > U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >? ? >? ? -------- Original message -------- >? ? From: via Personal_Submersibles? >? ? Date:01/06/2015? 8:02 AM? (GMT-06:00) >? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >??? >? ? Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >? ? >? ? It would surely be nice to find >? ? Leo. I'd go into hock again for that > one, just >? for old >??? > time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm >? virtually >? ? certain that > those particular hull(s) were built of >??? > A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most >? of >???the >??? > boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones >???without >? ? cyrillic > operating manuals). >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >???I don't remember how thick the steel > >???was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff. >? Plus, >? ? the main viewport > was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving >? that >? ? thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty > of room >? for >???two >? ? (or enough for three good friends) and that > huge >? picture >? ? window in > the front. >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? If Hyco had survived (Leo was their > last >? ? P-style boat) I'm betting there > would be more of >? them >??? > out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's >? ? stranglehold on the shallow water market > (shallow by >? ? comparison) and I think it > was a really good try. >? Sadly, >???it >? ? all fell apart before > we could really show her >? ? off. >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >???We did all the deepwater pilot training > >???in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball. >? These >? ? days, she'd be > even better, because the >? subsystems and >? ? propulsion gear is so much better. That sub > was rated >? for >? ? 2000 > feet, which ain't bad. How about that > > for an option, >? ? Scott? > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > No fancy steel. Huge >? ? viewport. 600 > meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 > > foot >? ? sphere displaces less than 6-tons. > Add a pair of >? uncle >??? > Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam >? to >? ? support them. Fair the > thing like a fat tadpole. You >? could >? ? probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 > tons. >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats > weigh >? ? that, and a good bit more. Yours > would be a >? lightweight >??? > compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more >???agile, >? ? easier to > maintain..... The list goes on. What could > > be >? ? better? Damn, I want one!!! It would > be perfect for >? my >? > neck >? ? of the woods. >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? Vance >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >???-----Original Message----- >? ? >? ? From: swaters at waters-ks.com >???via Personal_Submersibles > >??? >? ? >? ? To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion >? ? >? ? >? ? Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 > 7:49 am >? ? >? ? Subject: > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? Thanks for the info > Phil. I keep running into the >? same >? ? problems of the material and building of > the >? personel >? ? sphere. >? ? >? ? Scott Waters >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > Sent from my U.S. >? ? Cellular? > Smartphone >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >???-------- Original message -------- >??? > >? ? From: Phil Nuytten via > Personal_Submersibles? >? ? >? ? Date:01/05/2015? 8:44 PM? (GMT-06:00) >? ? >? ? To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion? >? ? >? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? Hi, Guys, and Happy > New Year to all loyal >? ? subbers!! >? ? >? ? >??? >? >? ? >? ? >? ? Glad to shed some little light on the > Pisces >? subs >? ? . .We > (Nuytco) have >? ? four Hyco boats ? > 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 >? are >???in >? ? Hawaii at HURL > (Hawaii >? ? Underwater Research Lab) ? > they are out of >? service, > >???currently and may be sold >? ? off if no > funding is forthcoming. I hope not, > > because >???Terry >? ? Kerby > and his crew >? ? rebuilt them into the > cream of the Pisces crop! There >? are >? ? two Pisces boats in >??? > Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, >? actually >???, > >???outside a museum). >? ? Pisces ?1, is > in the UK, last seen, it? was in >? parts. >? ? Likewise, P-6? >? ? is in > parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking >? of >? ? IUC?s vessel > ?Aloha?) >? ? and what?s left is in > New York as Vance mentions. I >? cut >???a >? ? deal with my old >? ? friend? Andre Galerne (before his > untimely >? death) to >? ? have > first dibs on >? ? buying P-6 to go into the > ?working sub? >? Hyco/Pisces >? ? display section at our >??? > long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving >? technology >? ? museum. His > sons, Lionel >? ? and Eric were kind enough > to honour Andre?s >? wishes >? ? and we will arrange >??? > shipment to the west coast when the weather gets >? better. >? ? Would appreciate > it if >? ? you would steer clear of this one > ? we do plan to >???rebuild >? ? to the same condition >??? > as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . >? ? ?Leo? ? I heard some years >? ? ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have > no idea >? what >? ? ultimately > happened to >? ? it. Maybe ask at > Silvercrest? About all you will be >? able >???to >? ? use from the P-boats > >? ? now is the personnel sphere ? you?d > probably be >? better >? ? off > building one from >? ? scratch if you want a > thousand feet or less ? after >? the >? ? first thou, the spheres > >???get much more expensive. >? ? >? ? >? ? Reagards >? ? >? ? >??? > Phil >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ??? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? Sent: Monday, > January 05, 2015 4:43 PM >? ? >? ? >? ? To: Personal >? ? Submersibles General >??? > Discussion >? ? >? ? >? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ??? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >???Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up. >? ? >? ? >??? > Thanks, >? ? >? ? >? ? Scott Waters >? ? >? ? >? ??? >??? > >? ? >? ??? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? Sent from my > U.S. >? ? Cellular? >??? > Smartphone >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? -------- Original message > -------- >? ? >? ? From: via > >? ? Personal_Submersibles > >??? >? ? Date:01/05/2015 6:34 >? ? PM (GMT-06:00) >? ? >? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >? ? >? ? >??? > Subject: Re: >? ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? International Underwater >? ? Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, > it was one >? of >???THE >? ? deep diving >??? > construction companies in the world. No idea >? what's >? ? happened up > there in the >? ? last few years. Best to > ask Dr. Phil that one, too. >? He >? ? knew/knows all those >??? > guys. >? ? >? ? Vance >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? -----Original > >? ? Message----- >? ? >? ? From: swaters at waters-ks.com >? ? via Personal_Submersibles > >??? >? ? >? ? To: Personal > Submersibles General >? ? Discussion >? ? >? ? Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 > >? ? 6:37 pm >? ? >? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? Vance, >? ? >? ? >??? > Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should >? ? probably know this. Haha. > >???I figure it's worth at least trying. > >??? >? ? >? ? Thanks, >? ? >? ? >??? > Scott Waters >? ? >? ? >? ??? >? ? >??? > >? ??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? Sent from my U.S. >??? > Cellular? >? ? Smartphone > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >???-------- Original message -------- >??? > >? ? From: via >??? > Personal_Submersibles >? ? > >???Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >??? > >? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? Anything is possible, Scott. >? ? SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half > an >???opportunity. >? ? Or at > least they'll >? ? try. You have to be > willing to wrangle with them. I >??? > don't think they'll respect >??? > anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one >? laying >? ? around. I've > never asked. >? ? You could do a lot worse, > if the hulls are >? salvageable. >? ? There are four pressure > >???vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an >? aft >? ? floatation sphere, and > the >? ? two 32" forward VBTs > (that's what is under >? the >? ? fiberglas brow that makes the P >? ? boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh > from ten >? to >???twelve >? ? tons, depending. >? ? Just > in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds >? for >? ? load capability. The > >? ? P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco > ever did--it was >? ? fabricated in Jacques > >? ? Piccard's shop in Switzerland under > contract, and >? was >? ? lap > finished, as I >? ? understand it--both > inside and out. Lovely thing, >? P-VI. I >? ? remember her well. >??? > Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it >? out into >? ? a dumpster. That > might >? ? be another question for our Dr. > Phil, as I have zero >? ? contacts up that > way >? ? anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll > happily spin a >? wrench for > >???you anytime on one of >? ? those. >? ? >? ? Vance > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? -----Original >? ? Message----- >? ? >? ? From: swaters at waters-ks.com >? ? via >??? > Personal_Submersibles >? >? ? >? ? To: > >???Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > >? ? >? ? Sent: >? ? Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm > >??? >? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > Pisces >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? Excellent info > Vance! Thank you so much. I was >? hopeing >? ? to locate one and >??? > maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather >? than >? ? try to build a 1000m > >? ? boat from scratch. Any more pointers > would be >? awesome. >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > Thanks, >? ? >? ? >? ? Scott Waters >? ? >? ? >? ??? >??? > >? ? >? ??? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? Sent from my > U.S. >? ? Cellular? >??? > Smartphone >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? -------- Original message > -------- >? ? >? ? From: via > >? ? Personal_Submersibles > >??? >? ? Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) > >? ? >? ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? P-I Scrapped out by > >???Vickers >? ? >? ? P-II > Rumored >? ? to be in a Miami storage unit > (unconfirmed) >? ? >? ? >? ? P-III ? >? ? >? ? >? ? P-IV In Hawaii and >? ? in service (but stony broke, I hear) >? ? >? ? >??? > P-V >? ? Ditto >? ? >? ? P-VI >? ? IUC warehouse in > New York, maybe parted >? ? out >? ? >? ? >??? > P-VII In a Russian >? ? museum (Sevastopol, I > think) >? ? >? ? >? ? P-VIII >? ? Nuytco >? ? >? ? >??? > P-IX >? ? Design >? ? study > for Intersub (4K >? ? meters, never > built) >? ? >? ? P-X > Nuytco >? ? >? ? >? ? P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front >? ? doors, last I >? ? saw) >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? Plus Leo, which > was a big-window Pisces >? ? style rated to > 2000' >? ? which, along with P-VI and > Aquarius, are the only >? Hyco >???boats >? ? that I qualified > on >? ? and operated (although the P-VI > experience was not a >? good > >???one for me or the >? ? owners, either > one). I did participate in a Pisces V >??? > overhaul in Houston, but >? ? I'm not > sure that counts except for the busted >??? > knuckles. >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >???I think the boys at Silvercrest might >??? > have one of the question >? ? marks, but > I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that > > leaves >? ? one unaccounted for. I'm >? ? betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. > As a side >? note, >???if >? ? you look at the >? ? Mirs, > you will see where they sprang from. They are >? Pisces >? ? boats on steroids. > >? ? Those people worked at IUC for a couple > of years and >? ? operated P-VII and P-XII > >? ? for years after that, then took all > those dandy >? ideas, >? > added >? ? a pile of rubles, >? ? and built a couple of big brawny kissing > cousins. Mir >? 1 >? ? & > Mir 2, by name. >? ? The Pisces subs were > pretty good for the day, but >? ? maintenance > heavy. And rest >? ? assured, you > haven't really lived until you have > > pulled >? ? a Pisces battery box at >? ? sea to change one cell. What a job!!! >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? Vance >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? -----Original >??? > Message----- >? ? >? ? From: > Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >? >? ? >? ? To: > >???Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > >? ? >? ? Sent: >? ? Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm > >??? >? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > Pisces >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? Scott, >? ? >? ? >??? > Hawaii >? ? undersea research lab on Oahu has > two >? ? subs. >? ? >? ? >? ? One I know >? ? is a Pisces & I believe the >? ? other is also. >? ? >? ? >? ? I think >? ? David Columbo has seen them in the >? ? last year, >? ? >? ? >? ? he might >? ? confirm. >? ? >? ? >? ? They told me they were > losing >? ? funding for operating them >? ? >? ? >??? > as Govt considered rovs were >? ? better > value for money. >? ? >??? > >? ? Alan >? ? >? ? >? ??? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > From: "swaters at waters-ks.com >? ? via >??? > Personal_Submersibles" >? >? ? >? ? To: psubs >? ? >? ? >? ? >??? > >? ? Sent: Tuesday, >??? > January 6, 2015 >? ? 7:27 AM >? ? >? ? Subject: >? ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? >? ??? >? ? >??? > >? ? >? ? > >??? >? ? >? ? Does >? ? anyone know what happened to all >? ? the Pisces submarines? I believe there was > 10 built, >? but >? ? only one > or two that >? ? are still in operation. 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I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random high level attributes... The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for skinny people at 31" OD. The CT is from PC-1402. The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. Bow dome. Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. I hate rust. The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for that one. I suspect one and only one person will love it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say that. The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without putting a diver in the water. The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I want to ship this one around the world to interesting places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. Thanks, Alec > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alec, > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new build. Perhaps even a teaser. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM > > Hank, > > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But that's > about the extent of it. > > Thanks, > > Alec > > > >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> >> >> Alec, >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have > no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with CT > would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the hull( > over 2in thick GPR) It would be a pretty > simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some > external rings and your away. I actually saw this sub > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were > after :-) >> Hank------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM >> >> Scott, >> this does not look like it could do any surface run to > speak >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> Ok. Thanks >> Hank.Scott >> Waters >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> Cellular? Smartphone >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> From: >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM >> (GMT-06:00) >> To: Personal Submersibles >> General Discussion >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> >> Scott, >> I lost the pics in a pc >> problem You can contact Alan at > Silvercrest, he was the >> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I > will tag >> along. >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM >> >> That >> might >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal >> is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what >> options come >> up.Thanks,Scott Waters >> >> Sent >> from >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> >> Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General >> Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Leo >> >> >> >> Scott, >> I don't know how deep you want >> to go and how much effort >> you want to put >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in >> >> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two > 34in >> domes, one at each end. One end opens as >> the >> hatch. My idea was to replace the >> hull with 516-70 >> steel with a CT. It had >> a deal worked out at 50K >> landed in >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. >> >> Hank > -------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >> >> >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, > 1:12 >> PM >> >> >> Scott, >> Did he say where >> and how deep? >> >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: >> "Personal Submersibles General >> >> Discussion" >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 >> AM >> >> An >> update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was >> sunk in >> deep >> water >> after a insurance claim some time >> ago. Thanks,Scott >> >> Waters >> Sent >> from my >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: via Personal_Submersibles >> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM > (GMT-06:00) >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> It would surely be nice to find >> Leo. I'd go into hock again for that >> one, just >> for old >> >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm >> virtually >> certain that >> those particular hull(s) were built of >> >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most >> of >> the >> >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones >> without >> cyrillic >> operating manuals). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't remember how thick the steel >> >> was, but it was definitely made from > standard stuff. >> Plus, >> the main viewport >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving >> that >> thing was seriously awesome. She had > plenty >> of room >> for >> two >> (or enough for three good friends) and > that >> huge >> picture >> window in >> the front. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If Hyco had survived (Leo was their >> last >> P-style boat) I'm betting there >> would be more of >> them >> >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's >> stranglehold on the shallow water market >> (shallow by >> comparison) and I think it >> was a really good try. >> Sadly, >> it >> all fell apart before >> we could really show her >> off. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We did all the deepwater pilot > training >> >> in her down on the Flower Gardens, and > had a ball. >> These >> days, she'd be >> even better, because the >> subsystems and >> propulsion gear is so much better. That > sub >> was rated >> for >> 2000 >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that >> >> for an option, >> Scott? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No fancy steel. Huge >> viewport. 600 >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 >> >> foot >> sphere displaces less than 6-tons. >> Add a pair of >> uncle >> >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam >> to >> support them. Fair the >> thing like a fat tadpole. You >> could >> probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 >> tons. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats >> weigh >> that, and a good bit more. Yours >> would be a >> lightweight >> >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more >> agile, >> easier to >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could >> >> be >> better? Damn, I want one!!! It would >> be perfect for >> my >> >> neck >> of the woods. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion >> >> >> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 >> 7:49 am >> >> Subject: >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for the info >> Phil. I keep running into the >> same >> problems of the material and building of >> the >> personel >> sphere. >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> Cellular? >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> >> From: Phil Nuytten via >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM > (GMT-06:00) >> >> To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, Guys, and Happy >> New Year to all loyal >> subbers!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Glad to shed some little light on the >> Pisces >> subs >> . .We >> (Nuytco) have >> four Hyco boats ? >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 >> are >> in >> Hawaii at HURL >> (Hawaii >> Underwater Research Lab) ? >> they are out of >> service, >> >> currently and may be sold >> off if no >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, >> >> because >> Terry >> Kerby >> and his crew >> rebuilt them into the >> cream of the Pisces crop! There >> are >> two Pisces boats in >> >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, >> actually >> , >> >> outside a museum). >> Pisces ?1, is >> in the UK, last seen, it was in >> parts. >> Likewise, P-6 >> is in >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking >> of >> IUC?s vessel >> ?Aloha?) >> and what?s left is in >> New York as Vance mentions. I >> cut >> a >> deal with my old >> friend Andre Galerne (before his >> untimely >> death) to >> have >> first dibs on >> buying P-6 to go into the >> ?working sub? >> Hyco/Pisces >> display section at our >> >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving >> technology >> museum. His >> sons, Lionel >> and Eric were kind enough >> to honour Andre?s >> wishes >> and we will arrange >> >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets >> better. >> Would appreciate >> it if >> you would steer clear of this one >> ? we do plan to >> rebuild >> to the same condition >> >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . >> ?Leo? ? I heard some years >> ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have >> no idea >> what >> ultimately >> happened to >> it. Maybe ask at >> Silvercrest? About all you will be >> able >> to >> use from the P-boats >> >> now is the personnel sphere ? you?d >> probably be >> better >> off >> building one from >> scratch if you want a >> thousand feet or less ? after >> the >> first thou, the spheres >> >> get much more expensive. >> >> >> Reagards >> >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM >> >> >> To: Personal >> Submersibles General >> >> Discussion >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what > turns up. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my >> U.S. >> Cellular? >> >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> >> From: via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 >> PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> International Underwater >> Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, >> it was one >> of >> THE >> deep diving >> >> construction companies in the world. No idea >> what's >> happened up >> there in the >> last few years. Best to >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. >> He >> knew/knows all those >> >> guys. >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original >> >> Message----- >> >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> To: Personal >> Submersibles General >> Discussion >> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 >> >> 6:37 pm >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vance, >> >> >> >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should >> probably know this. Haha. >> >> I figure it's worth at least trying. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> >> Cellular? >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> >> From: via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> Anything is possible, Scott. >> SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given > half >> an >> opportunity. >> Or at >> least they'll >> try. You have to be >> willing to wrangle with them. I >> >> don't think they'll respect >> >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one >> laying >> around. I've >> never asked. >> You could do a lot worse, >> if the hulls are >> salvageable. >> There are four pressure >> >> vessels (except on Leo). The personnel > sphere, an >> aft >> floatation sphere, and >> the >> two 32" forward VBTs >> (that's what is under >> the >> fiberglas brow that makes the P >> boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh >> from ten >> to >> twelve >> tons, depending. >> Just >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds >> for >> load capability. The >> >> P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco >> ever did--it was >> fabricated in Jacques >> >> Piccard's shop in Switzerland under >> contract, and >> was >> lap >> finished, as I >> understand it--both >> inside and out. Lovely thing, >> P-VI. I >> remember her well. >> >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it >> out into >> a dumpster. That >> might >> be another question for our Dr. >> Phil, as I have zero >> contacts up that >> way >> anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll >> happily spin a >> wrench for >> >> you anytime on one of >> those. >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original >> Message----- >> >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com >> via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> To: >> >> Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >> >> Sent: >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Excellent info >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was >> hopeing >> to locate one and >> >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather >> than >> try to build a 1000m >> >> boat from scratch. Any more pointers >> would be >> awesome. >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my >> U.S. >> Cellular? >> >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> >> From: via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> P-I Scrapped out by >> >> Vickers >> >> P-II >> Rumored >> to be in a Miami storage unit >> (unconfirmed) >> >> >> P-III ? >> >> >> P-IV In Hawaii and >> in service (but stony broke, I hear) >> >> >> >> P-V >> Ditto >> >> P-VI >> IUC warehouse in >> New York, maybe parted >> out >> >> >> >> P-VII In a Russian >> museum (Sevastopol, I >> think) >> >> >> P-VIII >> Nuytco >> >> >> >> P-IX >> Design >> study >> for Intersub (4K >> meters, never >> built) >> >> P-X >> Nuytco >> >> >> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front >> doors, last I >> saw) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Plus Leo, which >> was a big-window Pisces >> style rated to >> 2000' >> which, along with P-VI and >> Aquarius, are the only >> Hyco >> boats >> that I qualified >> on >> and operated (although the P-VI >> experience was not a >> good >> >> one for me or the >> owners, either >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V >> >> overhaul in Houston, but >> I'm not >> sure that counts except for the busted >> >> knuckles. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I think the boys at Silvercrest might >> >> have one of the question >> marks, but >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that >> >> leaves >> one unaccounted for. I'm >> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. >> As a side >> note, >> if >> you look at the >> Mirs, >> you will see where they sprang from. They are >> Pisces >> boats on steroids. >> >> Those people worked at IUC for a couple >> of years and >> operated P-VII and P-XII >> >> for years after that, then took all >> those dandy >> ideas, >> >> added >> a pile of rubles, >> and built a couple of big brawny kissing >> cousins. Mir >> 1 >> & >> Mir 2, by name. >> The Pisces subs were >> pretty good for the day, but >> maintenance >> heavy. And rest >> assured, you >> haven't really lived until you have >> >> pulled >> a Pisces battery box at >> sea to change one cell. What a job!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original >> >> Message----- >> >> From: >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> To: >> >> Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >> >> Sent: >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott, >> >> >> >> Hawaii >> undersea research lab on Oahu has >> two >> subs. >> >> >> One I know >> is a Pisces & I believe the >> other is also. >> >> >> I think >> David Columbo has seen them in the >> last year, >> >> >> he might >> confirm. >> >> >> They told me they were >> losing >> funding for operating them >> >> >> >> as Govt considered rovs were >> better >> value for money. >> >> >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com >> via >> >> Personal_Submersibles" >> >> >> To: psubs >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, >> >> January 6, 2015 >> 7:27 AM >> >> Subject: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does >> anyone know what happened to all >> the Pisces submarines? I believe there > was >> 10 built, >> but >> only one >> or two that >> are still in operation. I >> think NOAA has one. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Scott >> Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my >> U.S. >> Cellular? >> >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> mailing >> list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> -----Inline Attachment >> Follows----- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 00:28:22 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 21:28:22 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub Message-ID: <20150106212822.723300FC@m0005312.ppops.net> Bravo Alec ! Can't wait to see it !! Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Private via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 22:34:45 -0500 At the convention if it happens here! I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random high level attributes... The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for skinny people at 31" OD. The CT is from PC-1402. The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. Bow dome. Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. I hate rust. The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for that one. I suspect one and only one person will love it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say that. The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without putting a diver in the water. The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I want to ship this one around the world to interesting places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. Thanks, Alec > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alec, > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new build. Perhaps even a teaser. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM > > Hank, > > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But that's > about the extent of it. > > Thanks, > > Alec > > > >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> >> >> Alec, >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have > no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with CT > would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the hull( > over 2in thick GPR) It would be a pretty > simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some > external rings and your away. I actually saw this sub > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were > after :-) >> Hank------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM >> >> Scott, >> this does not look like it could do any surface run to > speak >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> Ok. Thanks >> Hank.Scott >> Waters >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> Cellular? Smartphone >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> From: >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM >> (GMT-06:00) >> To: Personal Submersibles >> General Discussion >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> >> Scott, >> I lost the pics in a pc >> problem You can contact Alan at > Silvercrest, he was the >> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I > will tag >> along. >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM >> >> That >> might >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal >> is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what >> options come >> up.Thanks,Scott Waters >> >> Sent >> from >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> >> Date:01/06/2015 12:25 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General >> Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Leo >> >> >> >> Scott, >> I don't know how deep you want >> to go and how much effort >> you want to put >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in >> >> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two > 34in >> domes, one at each end. One end opens as >> the >> hatch. My idea was to replace the >> hull with 516-70 >> steel with a CT. It had >> a deal worked out at 50K >> landed in >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. >> >> Hank > -------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >> >> >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, > 1:12 >> PM >> >> >> Scott, >> Did he say where >> and how deep? >> >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: >> "Personal Submersibles General >> >> Discussion" >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 >> AM >> >> An >> update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was >> sunk in >> deep >> water >> after a insurance claim some time >> ago. Thanks,Scott >> >> Waters >> Sent >> from my >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: via Personal_Submersibles >> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 AM > (GMT-06:00) >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> It would surely be nice to find >> Leo. I'd go into hock again for that >> one, just >> for old >> >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm >> virtually >> certain that >> those particular hull(s) were built of >> >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most >> of >> the >> >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones >> without >> cyrillic >> operating manuals). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't remember how thick the steel >> >> was, but it was definitely made from > standard stuff. >> Plus, >> the main viewport >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving >> that >> thing was seriously awesome. She had > plenty >> of room >> for >> two >> (or enough for three good friends) and > that >> huge >> picture >> window in >> the front. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If Hyco had survived (Leo was their >> last >> P-style boat) I'm betting there >> would be more of >> them >> >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's >> stranglehold on the shallow water market >> (shallow by >> comparison) and I think it >> was a really good try. >> Sadly, >> it >> all fell apart before >> we could really show her >> off. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We did all the deepwater pilot > training >> >> in her down on the Flower Gardens, and > had a ball. >> These >> days, she'd be >> even better, because the >> subsystems and >> propulsion gear is so much better. That > sub >> was rated >> for >> 2000 >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that >> >> for an option, >> Scott? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No fancy steel. Huge >> viewport. 600 >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 >> >> foot >> sphere displaces less than 6-tons. >> Add a pair of >> uncle >> >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam >> to >> support them. Fair the >> thing like a fat tadpole. You >> could >> probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 >> tons. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats >> weigh >> that, and a good bit more. Yours >> would be a >> lightweight >> >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more >> agile, >> easier to >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could >> >> be >> better? Damn, I want one!!! It would >> be perfect for >> my >> >> neck >> of the woods. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion >> >> >> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 >> 7:49 am >> >> Subject: >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for the info >> Phil. I keep running into the >> same >> problems of the material and building of >> the >> personel >> sphere. >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> Cellular? >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> >> From: Phil Nuytten via >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 PM > (GMT-06:00) >> >> To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, Guys, and Happy >> New Year to all loyal >> subbers!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Glad to shed some little light on the >> Pisces >> subs >> . .We >> (Nuytco) have >> four Hyco boats ? >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 >> are >> in >> Hawaii at HURL >> (Hawaii >> Underwater Research Lab) ? >> they are out of >> service, >> >> currently and may be sold >> off if no >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, >> >> because >> Terry >> Kerby >> and his crew >> rebuilt them into the >> cream of the Pisces crop! There >> are >> two Pisces boats in >> >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, >> actually >> , >> >> outside a museum). >> Pisces ?1, is >> in the UK, last seen, it was in >> parts. >> Likewise, P-6 >> is in >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking >> of >> IUC?s vessel >> ?Aloha?) >> and what?s left is in >> New York as Vance mentions. I >> cut >> a >> deal with my old >> friend Andre Galerne (before his >> untimely >> death) to >> have >> first dibs on >> buying P-6 to go into the >> ?working sub? >> Hyco/Pisces >> display section at our >> >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving >> technology >> museum. His >> sons, Lionel >> and Eric were kind enough >> to honour Andre?s >> wishes >> and we will arrange >> >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets >> better. >> Would appreciate >> it if >> you would steer clear of this one >> ? we do plan to >> rebuild >> to the same condition >> >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . >> ?Leo? ? I heard some years >> ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have >> no idea >> what >> ultimately >> happened to >> it. Maybe ask at >> Silvercrest? About all you will be >> able >> to >> use from the P-boats >> >> now is the personnel sphere ? you?d >> probably be >> better >> off >> building one from >> scratch if you want a >> thousand feet or less ? after >> the >> first thou, the spheres >> >> get much more expensive. >> >> >> Reagards >> >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM >> >> >> To: Personal >> Submersibles General >> >> Discussion >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what > turns up. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my >> U.S. >> Cellular? >> >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> >> From: via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 >> PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> International Underwater >> Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, >> it was one >> of >> THE >> deep diving >> >> construction companies in the world. No idea >> what's >> happened up >> there in the >> last few years. Best to >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. >> He >> knew/knows all those >> >> guys. >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original >> >> Message----- >> >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> To: Personal >> Submersibles General >> Discussion >> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 >> >> 6:37 pm >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vance, >> >> >> >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should >> probably know this. Haha. >> >> I figure it's worth at least trying. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> >> Cellular? >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> >> From: via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> Anything is possible, Scott. >> SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given > half >> an >> opportunity. >> Or at >> least they'll >> try. You have to be >> willing to wrangle with them. I >> >> don't think they'll respect >> >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one >> laying >> around. I've >> never asked. >> You could do a lot worse, >> if the hulls are >> salvageable. >> There are four pressure >> >> vessels (except on Leo). The personnel > sphere, an >> aft >> floatation sphere, and >> the >> two 32" forward VBTs >> (that's what is under >> the >> fiberglas brow that makes the P >> boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh >> from ten >> to >> twelve >> tons, depending. >> Just >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds >> for >> load capability. The >> >> P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco >> ever did--it was >> fabricated in Jacques >> >> Piccard's shop in Switzerland under >> contract, and >> was >> lap >> finished, as I >> understand it--both >> inside and out. Lovely thing, >> P-VI. I >> remember her well. >> >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it >> out into >> a dumpster. That >> might >> be another question for our Dr. >> Phil, as I have zero >> contacts up that >> way >> anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll >> happily spin a >> wrench for >> >> you anytime on one of >> those. >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original >> Message----- >> >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com >> via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> To: >> >> Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >> >> Sent: >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Excellent info >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was >> hopeing >> to locate one and >> >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather >> than >> try to build a 1000m >> >> boat from scratch. Any more pointers >> would be >> awesome. >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my >> U.S. >> Cellular? >> >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> >> From: via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> P-I Scrapped out by >> >> Vickers >> >> P-II >> Rumored >> to be in a Miami storage unit >> (unconfirmed) >> >> >> P-III ? >> >> >> P-IV In Hawaii and >> in service (but stony broke, I hear) >> >> >> >> P-V >> Ditto >> >> P-VI >> IUC warehouse in >> New York, maybe parted >> out >> >> >> >> P-VII In a Russian >> museum (Sevastopol, I >> think) >> >> >> P-VIII >> Nuytco >> >> >> >> P-IX >> Design >> study >> for Intersub (4K >> meters, never >> built) >> >> P-X >> Nuytco >> >> >> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front >> doors, last I >> saw) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Plus Leo, which >> was a big-window Pisces >> style rated to >> 2000' >> which, along with P-VI and >> Aquarius, are the only >> Hyco >> boats >> that I qualified >> on >> and operated (although the P-VI >> experience was not a >> good >> >> one for me or the >> owners, either >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V >> >> overhaul in Houston, but >> I'm not >> sure that counts except for the busted >> >> knuckles. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I think the boys at Silvercrest might >> >> have one of the question >> marks, but >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that >> >> leaves >> one unaccounted for. I'm >> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. >> As a side >> note, >> if >> you look at the >> Mirs, >> you will see where they sprang from. They are >> Pisces >> boats on steroids. >> >> Those people worked at IUC for a couple >> of years and >> operated P-VII and P-XII >> >> for years after that, then took all >> those dandy >> ideas, >> >> added >> a pile of rubles, >> and built a couple of big brawny kissing >> cousins. Mir >> 1 >> & >> Mir 2, by name. >> The Pisces subs were >> pretty good for the day, but >> maintenance >> heavy. And rest >> assured, you >> haven't really lived until you have >> >> pulled >> a Pisces battery box at >> sea to change one cell. What a job!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original >> >> Message----- >> >> From: >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> To: >> >> Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >> >> Sent: >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott, >> >> >> >> Hawaii >> undersea research lab on Oahu has >> two >> subs. >> >> >> One I know >> is a Pisces & I believe the >> other is also. >> >> >> I think >> David Columbo has seen them in the >> last year, >> >> >> he might >> confirm. >> >> >> They told me they were >> losing >> funding for operating them >> >> >> >> as Govt considered rovs were >> better >> value for money. >> >> >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com >> via >> >> Personal_Submersibles" >> >> >> To: psubs >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, >> >> January 6, 2015 >> 7:27 AM >> >> Subject: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does >> anyone know what happened to all >> the Pisces submarines? I believe there > was >> 10 built, >> but >> only one >> or two that >> are still in operation. 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Pete -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 9:34 PM At the convention if it happens here! I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random high level attributes... The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for skinny people at 31" OD. The CT is from PC-1402. The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. Bow dome. Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. I hate rust. The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for that one. I suspect one and only one person will love it.? It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say that. The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without putting a diver in the water. The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I want to ship this one around the world to interesting places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. Thanks, Alec > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alec, > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new build.? Perhaps even a teaser. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM > > Hank, > > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But that's > about the extent of it. > > Thanks, > > Alec > > > >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> >> >> Alec, >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have > no clue about GPR hulls.? I though a new hull with CT > would be the ticket.? The domes rest right on the hull( > over 2in thick GPR)???It would be a pretty > simple hull to build.? A 32in dia tube with some > external rings and your away.? I actually saw this sub > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage.? My > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were > after :-) >> Hank------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM >> >> Scott, >> this does not look like it could do any surface run to > speak >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! >> Best, >> >> Alec >>??? >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> Ok. Thanks >> Hank.Scott >> Waters >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> Cellular? Smartphone >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> From: >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? >> Date:01/06/2015? 12:46 PM >> (GMT-06:00) >> To: Personal Submersibles >> General Discussion? >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> >> Scott, >> I lost the pics in a pc >> problem???You can contact Alan at > Silvercrest, he was the >> agent.? If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I > will tag >> along.? >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >>???Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >>???To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >>???Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM >> >>???That >>???might >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal >>???is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what >> options come >>???up.Thanks,Scott Waters >> >>???Sent >>???from >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >>???-------- Original message -------- >>???From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> >>???Date:01/06/2015? 12:25 PM? (GMT-06:00) >> >>???To: Personal Submersibles General >> Discussion? >>???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Leo >> >> >> >> Scott, >>???I don't know how deep you want >> to go and how much effort >>???you want to put >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in >> >> Tenerife Spain.? The Wrangler is GPR with two > 34in >>???domes, one at each end.? One end opens as >> the >>???hatch.? My idea was to replace the >> hull with 516-70 >>???steel with a CT.? It had >> a deal worked out at 50K >>???landed in >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. >> >> Hank > -------------------------------------------- >>???On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via >> Personal_Submersibles >>??? >> wrote: >> >>? ? Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >>? ? To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >> >> >>? ? Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, > 1:12 >> PM >>? ? >>? ? >>? ? Scott, >>? ? Did he say where >> and how deep? >>??? >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >>? ? On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ? via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >>? ? wrote: >>? ? >> >>? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >>? ???To: >> "Personal Submersibles General >> >> Discussion" >>? ???Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 >> AM >>? ??? >>? ???An >>? ???update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was >> sunk in >>???deep >>? ? water >>? ???after a insurance claim some time >>? ???ago. Thanks,Scott >>? ? >> Waters >>? ???Sent >>? ???from my >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ???-------- Original message -------- >>? ???From: via Personal_Submersibles? >>? ???Date:01/06/2015? 8:02 AM > (GMT-06:00) >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>? ???Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ???It would surely be nice to find >>? ???Leo. I'd go into hock again for that >> one, just >>???for old >>? ? >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm >>???virtually >>? ???certain that >> those particular hull(s) were built of >>? ? >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most >>???of >>? ? the >>? ? >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones >>? ? without >>? ???cyrillic >> operating manuals). >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? I don't remember how thick the steel >> >>? ? was, but it was definitely made from > standard stuff. >>???Plus, >>? ???the main viewport >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving >>???that >>? ???thing was seriously awesome. She had > plenty >> of room >>???for >>? ? two >>? ???(or enough for three good friends) and > that >> huge >>???picture >>? ???window in >> the front. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???If Hyco had survived (Leo was their >> last >>? ???P-style boat) I'm betting there >> would be more of >>???them >>? ? >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's >>? ???stranglehold on the shallow water market >> (shallow by >>? ???comparison) and I think it >> was a really good try. >>???Sadly, >>? ? it >>? ???all fell apart before >> we could really show her >>? ???off. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? We did all the deepwater pilot > training >> >>? ? in her down on the Flower Gardens, and > had a ball. >>???These >>? ???days, she'd be >> even better, because the >>???subsystems and >>? ???propulsion gear is so much better. That > sub >> was rated >>???for >>? ???2000 >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that >> >> for an option, >>? ???Scott? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> No fancy steel. Huge >>? ???viewport. 600 >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 >> >> foot >>? ???sphere displaces less than 6-tons. >> Add a pair of >>???uncle >>? ? >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam >>???to >>? ???support them. Fair the >> thing like a fat tadpole. You >>???could >>? ???probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 >> tons. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats >> weigh >>? ???that, and a good bit more. Yours >> would be a >>???lightweight >>? ? >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more >>? ? agile, >>? ???easier to >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could >> >> be >>? ???better? Damn, I want one!!! It would >> be perfect for >>???my >>??? >> neck >>? ???of the woods. >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ???Vance >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? -----Original Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ? via Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 >> 7:49 am >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Thanks for the info >> Phil. I keep running into the >>???same >>? ???problems of the material and building of >> the >>???personel >>? ???sphere. >>? ??? >>? ???Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Sent from my U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? -------- Original message -------- >>? ? >> >>? ???From: Phil Nuytten via >> Personal_Submersibles? >>? ??? >>? ???Date:01/05/2015? 8:44 PM > (GMT-06:00) >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion? >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Hi, Guys, and Happy >> New Year to all loyal >>? ???subbers!! >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >>??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Glad to shed some little light on the >> Pisces >>???subs >>? ???. .We >> (Nuytco) have >>? ???four Hyco boats ? >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 >>???are >>? ? in >>? ???Hawaii at HURL >> (Hawaii >>? ???Underwater Research Lab) ? >> they are out of >>???service, >> >>? ? currently and may be sold >>? ???off if no >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, >> >> because >>? ? Terry >>? ???Kerby >> and his crew >>? ???rebuilt them into the >> cream of the Pisces crop! There >>???are >>? ???two Pisces boats in >>? ? >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, >>???actually >>? ? , >> >>? ? outside a museum). >>? ???Pisces ?1, is >> in the UK, last seen, it? was in >>???parts. >>? ???Likewise, P-6? >>? ???is in >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking >>???of >>? ???IUC?s vessel >> ?Aloha?) >>? ???and what?s left is in >> New York as Vance mentions. I >>???cut >>? ? a >>? ???deal with my old >>? ???friend? Andre Galerne (before his >> untimely >>???death) to >>? ???have >> first dibs on >>? ???buying P-6 to go into the >> ?working sub? >>???Hyco/Pisces >>? ???display section at our >>? ? >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving >>???technology >>? ???museum. His >> sons, Lionel >>? ???and Eric were kind enough >> to honour Andre?s >>???wishes >>? ???and we will arrange >>? ? >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets >>???better. >>? ???Would appreciate >> it if >>? ???you would steer clear of this one >> ? we do plan to >>? ? rebuild >>? ???to the same condition >>? ? >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . >>? ????Leo? ? I heard some years >>? ???ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have >> no idea >>???what >>? ???ultimately >> happened to >>? ???it. Maybe ask at >> Silvercrest? About all you will be >>???able >>? ? to >>? ???use from the P-boats >> >>? ???now is the personnel sphere ? you?d >> probably be >>???better >>? ???off >> building one from >>? ???scratch if you want a >> thousand feet or less ? after >>???the >>? ???first thou, the spheres >> >>? ? get much more expensive. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Reagards >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Phil >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: Monday, >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >>? ???Submersibles General >>? ? >> Discussion >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what > turns up. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent from my >> U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >>? ? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ???-------- Original message >> -------- >>? ??? >>? ???From: via >> >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ???Date:01/05/2015 6:34 >>? ???PM (GMT-06:00) >>? ??? >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Subject: Re: >>? ???[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???International Underwater >>? ???Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, >> it was one >>???of >>? ? THE >>? ???deep diving >>? ? >> construction companies in the world. No idea >>???what's >>? ???happened up >> there in the >>? ???last few years. Best to >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. >>???He >>? ???knew/knows all those >>? ? >> guys. >>? ??? >>? ???Vance >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???-----Original >> >>? ???Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ???via Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >> Submersibles General >>? ???Discussion >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 >> >>? ???6:37 pm >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Vance, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should >>? ???probably know this. Haha. >> >>? ? I figure it's worth at least trying. >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Sent from my U.S. >>? ? >> Cellular? >>? ???Smartphone >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? -------- Original message -------- >>? ? >> >>? ???From: via >>? ? >> Personal_Submersibles >>? ??? >> >>? ? Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >>? ? >> >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Anything is possible, Scott. >>? ???SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given > half >> an >>? ? opportunity. >>? ???Or at >> least they'll >>? ???try. You have to be >> willing to wrangle with them. I >>? ? >> don't think they'll respect >>? ? >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one >>???laying >>? ???around. I've >> never asked. >>? ???You could do a lot worse, >> if the hulls are >>???salvageable. >>? ???There are four pressure >> >>? ? vessels (except on Leo). The personnel > sphere, an >>???aft >>? ???floatation sphere, and >> the >>? ???two 32" forward VBTs >> (that's what is under >>???the >>? ???fiberglas brow that makes the P >>? ???boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh >> from ten >>???to >>? ? twelve >>? ???tons, depending. >>? ???Just >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds >>???for >>? ???load capability. The >> >>? ???P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco >> ever did--it was >>? ???fabricated in Jacques >> >>? ???Piccard's shop in Switzerland under >> contract, and >>???was >>? ???lap >> finished, as I >>? ???understand it--both >> inside and out. Lovely thing, >>???P-VI. I >>? ???remember her well. >>? ? >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it >>???out into >>? ???a dumpster. That >> might >>? ???be another question for our Dr. >> Phil, as I have zero >>? ???contacts up that >> way >>? ???anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll >> happily spin a >>???wrench for >> >>? ? you anytime on one of >>? ???those. >>? ??? >>? ???Vance >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???-----Original >>? ???Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ???via >>? ? >> Personal_Submersibles >>??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: >> >>? ? Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: >>? ???Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm >> >>? ? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Excellent info >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was >>???hopeing >>? ???to locate one and >>? ? >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather >>???than >>? ???try to build a 1000m >> >>? ???boat from scratch. Any more pointers >> would be >>???awesome. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent from my >> U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >>? ? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ???-------- Original message >> -------- >>? ??? >>? ???From: via >> >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ???Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >>? ??? >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???P-I Scrapped out by >> >>? ? Vickers >>? ??? >>? ???P-II >> Rumored >>? ???to be in a Miami storage unit >> (unconfirmed) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-III ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-IV In Hawaii and >>? ???in service (but stony broke, I hear) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> P-V >>? ???Ditto >>? ??? >>? ???P-VI >>? ???IUC warehouse in >> New York, maybe parted >>? ???out >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> P-VII In a Russian >>? ???museum (Sevastopol, I >> think) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-VIII >>? ???Nuytco >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> P-IX >>? ???Design >>? ???study >> for Intersub (4K >>? ???meters, never >> built) >>? ??? >>? ???P-X >> Nuytco >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front >>? ???doors, last I >>? ???saw) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Plus Leo, which >> was a big-window Pisces >>? ???style rated to >> 2000' >>? ???which, along with P-VI and >> Aquarius, are the only >>???Hyco >>? ? boats >>? ???that I qualified >> on >>? ???and operated (although the P-VI >> experience was not a >>???good >> >>? ? one for me or the >>? ???owners, either >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V >>? ? >> overhaul in Houston, but >>? ???I'm not >> sure that counts except for the busted >>? ? >> knuckles. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? I think the boys at Silvercrest might >>? ? >> have one of the question >>? ???marks, but >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that >> >> leaves >>? ???one unaccounted for. I'm >>? ???betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. >> As a side >>???note, >>? ? if >>? ???you look at the >>? ???Mirs, >> you will see where they sprang from. They are >>???Pisces >>? ???boats on steroids. >> >>? ???Those people worked at IUC for a couple >> of years and >>? ???operated P-VII and P-XII >> >>? ???for years after that, then took all >> those dandy >>???ideas, >>??? >> added >>? ???a pile of rubles, >>? ???and built a couple of big brawny kissing >> cousins. Mir >>???1 >>? ???& >> Mir 2, by name. >>? ???The Pisces subs were >> pretty good for the day, but >>? ???maintenance >> heavy. And rest >>? ???assured, you >> haven't really lived until you have >> >> pulled >>? ???a Pisces battery box at >>? ???sea to change one cell. What a job!!! >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Vance >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???-----Original >>? ? >> Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >>??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: >> >>? ? Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: >>? ???Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm >> >>? ? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Scott, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Hawaii >>? ???undersea research lab on Oahu has >> two >>? ???subs. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???One I know >>? ???is a Pisces & I believe the >>? ???other is also. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???I think >>? ???David Columbo has seen them in the >>? ???last year, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???he might >>? ???confirm. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???They told me they were >> losing >>? ???funding for operating them >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> as Govt considered rovs were >>? ???better >> value for money. >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Alan >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ???via >>? ? >> Personal_Submersibles" >>??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: psubs >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Sent: Tuesday, >>? ? >> January 6, 2015 >>? ???7:27 AM >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: >>? ???[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Does >>? ???anyone know what happened to all >>? ???the Pisces submarines? I believe there > was >> 10 built, >>???but >>? ???only one >> or two that >>? ???are still in operation. I >> think NOAA has one. >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Scott >>? ???Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent from my >> U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >>? ? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ???mailing list >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> mailing >>? ???list >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ? >>??? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ? 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Pete -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 9:34 PM At the convention if it happens here! I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random high level attributes... The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for skinny people at 31" OD. The CT is from PC-1402. The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. Bow dome. Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. I hate rust. The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for that one. I suspect one and only one person will love it.? It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say that. The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without putting a diver in the water. The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I want to ship this one around the world to interesting places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. Thanks, Alec > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alec, > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new build.? Perhaps even a teaser. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM > > Hank, > > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But that's > about the extent of it. > > Thanks, > > Alec > > > >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> >> >> Alec, >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have > no clue about GPR hulls.? I though a new hull with CT > would be the ticket.? The domes rest right on the hull( > over 2in thick GPR)???It would be a pretty > simple hull to build.? A 32in dia tube with some > external rings and your away.? I actually saw this sub > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage.? My > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were > after :-) >> Hank------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM >> >> Scott, >> this does not look like it could do any surface run to > speak >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! >> Best, >> >> Alec >>??? >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> Ok. Thanks >> Hank.Scott >> Waters >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> Cellular? Smartphone >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> From: >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? >> Date:01/06/2015? 12:46 PM >> (GMT-06:00) >> To: Personal Submersibles >> General Discussion? >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> >> Scott, >> I lost the pics in a pc >> problem???You can contact Alan at > Silvercrest, he was the >> agent.? If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I > will tag >> along.? >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >>???Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >>???To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >>???Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM >> >>???That >>???might >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal >>???is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what >> options come >>???up.Thanks,Scott Waters >> >>???Sent >>???from >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >>???-------- Original message -------- >>???From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> >>???Date:01/06/2015? 12:25 PM? (GMT-06:00) >> >>???To: Personal Submersibles General >> Discussion? >>???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Leo >> >> >> >> Scott, >>???I don't know how deep you want >> to go and how much effort >>???you want to put >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in >> >> Tenerife Spain.? The Wrangler is GPR with two > 34in >>???domes, one at each end.? One end opens as >> the >>???hatch.? My idea was to replace the >> hull with 516-70 >>???steel with a CT.? It had >> a deal worked out at 50K >>???landed in >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. >> >> Hank > -------------------------------------------- >>???On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via >> Personal_Submersibles >>??? >> wrote: >> >>? ? Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >>? ? To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >> >> >>? ? Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, > 1:12 >> PM >>? ? >>? ? >>? ? Scott, >>? ? Did he say where >> and how deep? >>??? >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >>? ? On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ? via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >>? ? wrote: >>? ? >> >>? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >>? ???To: >> "Personal Submersibles General >> >> Discussion" >>? ???Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 >> AM >>? ??? >>? ???An >>? ???update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was >> sunk in >>???deep >>? ? water >>? ???after a insurance claim some time >>? ???ago. Thanks,Scott >>? ? >> Waters >>? ???Sent >>? ???from my >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ???-------- Original message -------- >>? ???From: via Personal_Submersibles? >>? ???Date:01/06/2015? 8:02 AM > (GMT-06:00) >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>? ???Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ???It would surely be nice to find >>? ???Leo. I'd go into hock again for that >> one, just >>???for old >>? ? >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm >>???virtually >>? ???certain that >> those particular hull(s) were built of >>? ? >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most >>???of >>? ? the >>? ? >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones >>? ? without >>? ???cyrillic >> operating manuals). >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? I don't remember how thick the steel >> >>? ? was, but it was definitely made from > standard stuff. >>???Plus, >>? ???the main viewport >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving >>???that >>? ???thing was seriously awesome. She had > plenty >> of room >>???for >>? ? two >>? ???(or enough for three good friends) and > that >> huge >>???picture >>? ???window in >> the front. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???If Hyco had survived (Leo was their >> last >>? ???P-style boat) I'm betting there >> would be more of >>???them >>? ? >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's >>? ???stranglehold on the shallow water market >> (shallow by >>? ???comparison) and I think it >> was a really good try. >>???Sadly, >>? ? it >>? ???all fell apart before >> we could really show her >>? ???off. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? We did all the deepwater pilot > training >> >>? ? in her down on the Flower Gardens, and > had a ball. >>???These >>? ???days, she'd be >> even better, because the >>???subsystems and >>? ???propulsion gear is so much better. That > sub >> was rated >>???for >>? ???2000 >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that >> >> for an option, >>? ???Scott? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> No fancy steel. Huge >>? ???viewport. 600 >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 >> >> foot >>? ???sphere displaces less than 6-tons. >> Add a pair of >>???uncle >>? ? >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam >>???to >>? ???support them. Fair the >> thing like a fat tadpole. You >>???could >>? ???probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 >> tons. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats >> weigh >>? ???that, and a good bit more. Yours >> would be a >>???lightweight >>? ? >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more >>? ? agile, >>? ???easier to >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could >> >> be >>? ???better? Damn, I want one!!! It would >> be perfect for >>???my >>??? >> neck >>? ???of the woods. >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ???Vance >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? -----Original Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ? via Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 >> 7:49 am >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Thanks for the info >> Phil. I keep running into the >>???same >>? ???problems of the material and building of >> the >>???personel >>? ???sphere. >>? ??? >>? ???Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Sent from my U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? -------- Original message -------- >>? ? >> >>? ???From: Phil Nuytten via >> Personal_Submersibles? >>? ??? >>? ???Date:01/05/2015? 8:44 PM > (GMT-06:00) >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion? >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Hi, Guys, and Happy >> New Year to all loyal >>? ???subbers!! >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >>??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Glad to shed some little light on the >> Pisces >>???subs >>? ???. .We >> (Nuytco) have >>? ???four Hyco boats ? >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 >>???are >>? ? in >>? ???Hawaii at HURL >> (Hawaii >>? ???Underwater Research Lab) ? >> they are out of >>???service, >> >>? ? currently and may be sold >>? ???off if no >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, >> >> because >>? ? Terry >>? ???Kerby >> and his crew >>? ???rebuilt them into the >> cream of the Pisces crop! There >>???are >>? ???two Pisces boats in >>? ? >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, >>???actually >>? ? , >> >>? ? outside a museum). >>? ???Pisces ?1, is >> in the UK, last seen, it? was in >>???parts. >>? ???Likewise, P-6? >>? ???is in >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking >>???of >>? ???IUC?s vessel >> ?Aloha?) >>? ???and what?s left is in >> New York as Vance mentions. I >>???cut >>? ? a >>? ???deal with my old >>? ???friend? Andre Galerne (before his >> untimely >>???death) to >>? ???have >> first dibs on >>? ???buying P-6 to go into the >> ?working sub? >>???Hyco/Pisces >>? ???display section at our >>? ? >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving >>???technology >>? ???museum. His >> sons, Lionel >>? ???and Eric were kind enough >> to honour Andre?s >>???wishes >>? ???and we will arrange >>? ? >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets >>???better. >>? ???Would appreciate >> it if >>? ???you would steer clear of this one >> ? we do plan to >>? ? rebuild >>? ???to the same condition >>? ? >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . >>? ????Leo? ? I heard some years >>? ???ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have >> no idea >>???what >>? ???ultimately >> happened to >>? ???it. Maybe ask at >> Silvercrest? About all you will be >>???able >>? ? to >>? ???use from the P-boats >> >>? ???now is the personnel sphere ? you?d >> probably be >>???better >>? ???off >> building one from >>? ???scratch if you want a >> thousand feet or less ? after >>???the >>? ???first thou, the spheres >> >>? ? get much more expensive. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Reagards >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Phil >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: Monday, >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >>? ???Submersibles General >>? ? >> Discussion >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what > turns up. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent from my >> U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >>? ? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ???-------- Original message >> -------- >>? ??? >>? ???From: via >> >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ???Date:01/05/2015 6:34 >>? ???PM (GMT-06:00) >>? ??? >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Subject: Re: >>? ???[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???International Underwater >>? ???Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, >> it was one >>???of >>? ? THE >>? ???deep diving >>? ? >> construction companies in the world. No idea >>???what's >>? ???happened up >> there in the >>? ???last few years. Best to >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. >>???He >>? ???knew/knows all those >>? ? >> guys. >>? ??? >>? ???Vance >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???-----Original >> >>? ???Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ???via Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >> Submersibles General >>? ???Discussion >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 >> >>? ???6:37 pm >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Vance, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should >>? ???probably know this. Haha. >> >>? ? I figure it's worth at least trying. >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Sent from my U.S. >>? ? >> Cellular? >>? ???Smartphone >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? -------- Original message -------- >>? ? >> >>? ???From: via >>? ? >> Personal_Submersibles >>? ??? >> >>? ? Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >>? ? >> >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Anything is possible, Scott. >>? ???SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given > half >> an >>? ? opportunity. >>? ???Or at >> least they'll >>? ???try. You have to be >> willing to wrangle with them. I >>? ? >> don't think they'll respect >>? ? >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one >>???laying >>? ???around. I've >> never asked. >>? ???You could do a lot worse, >> if the hulls are >>???salvageable. >>? ???There are four pressure >> >>? ? vessels (except on Leo). The personnel > sphere, an >>???aft >>? ???floatation sphere, and >> the >>? ???two 32" forward VBTs >> (that's what is under >>???the >>? ???fiberglas brow that makes the P >>? ???boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh >> from ten >>???to >>? ? twelve >>? ???tons, depending. >>? ???Just >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds >>???for >>? ???load capability. The >> >>? ???P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco >> ever did--it was >>? ???fabricated in Jacques >> >>? ???Piccard's shop in Switzerland under >> contract, and >>???was >>? ???lap >> finished, as I >>? ???understand it--both >> inside and out. Lovely thing, >>???P-VI. I >>? ???remember her well. >>? ? >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it >>???out into >>? ???a dumpster. That >> might >>? ???be another question for our Dr. >> Phil, as I have zero >>? ???contacts up that >> way >>? ???anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll >> happily spin a >>???wrench for >> >>? ? you anytime on one of >>? ???those. >>? ??? >>? ???Vance >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???-----Original >>? ???Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ???via >>? ? >> Personal_Submersibles >>??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: >> >>? ? Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: >>? ???Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm >> >>? ? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Excellent info >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was >>???hopeing >>? ???to locate one and >>? ? >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather >>???than >>? ???try to build a 1000m >> >>? ???boat from scratch. Any more pointers >> would be >>???awesome. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent from my >> U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >>? ? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ???-------- Original message >> -------- >>? ??? >>? ???From: via >> >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ???Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >>? ??? >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???P-I Scrapped out by >> >>? ? Vickers >>? ??? >>? ???P-II >> Rumored >>? ???to be in a Miami storage unit >> (unconfirmed) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-III ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-IV In Hawaii and >>? ???in service (but stony broke, I hear) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> P-V >>? ???Ditto >>? ??? >>? ???P-VI >>? ???IUC warehouse in >> New York, maybe parted >>? ???out >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> P-VII In a Russian >>? ???museum (Sevastopol, I >> think) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-VIII >>? ???Nuytco >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> P-IX >>? ???Design >>? ???study >> for Intersub (4K >>? ???meters, never >> built) >>? ??? >>? ???P-X >> Nuytco >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front >>? ???doors, last I >>? ???saw) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Plus Leo, which >> was a big-window Pisces >>? ???style rated to >> 2000' >>? ???which, along with P-VI and >> Aquarius, are the only >>???Hyco >>? ? boats >>? ???that I qualified >> on >>? ???and operated (although the P-VI >> experience was not a >>???good >> >>? ? one for me or the >>? ???owners, either >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V >>? ? >> overhaul in Houston, but >>? ???I'm not >> sure that counts except for the busted >>? ? >> knuckles. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? I think the boys at Silvercrest might >>? ? >> have one of the question >>? ???marks, but >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that >> >> leaves >>? ???one unaccounted for. I'm >>? ???betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. >> As a side >>???note, >>? ? if >>? ???you look at the >>? ???Mirs, >> you will see where they sprang from. They are >>???Pisces >>? ???boats on steroids. >> >>? ???Those people worked at IUC for a couple >> of years and >>? ???operated P-VII and P-XII >> >>? ???for years after that, then took all >> those dandy >>???ideas, >>??? >> added >>? ???a pile of rubles, >>? ???and built a couple of big brawny kissing >> cousins. Mir >>???1 >>? ???& >> Mir 2, by name. >>? ???The Pisces subs were >> pretty good for the day, but >>? ???maintenance >> heavy. And rest >>? ???assured, you >> haven't really lived until you have >> >> pulled >>? ???a Pisces battery box at >>? ???sea to change one cell. What a job!!! >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Vance >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???-----Original >>? ? >> Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >>??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: >> >>? ? Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: >>? ???Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm >> >>? ? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Scott, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Hawaii >>? ???undersea research lab on Oahu has >> two >>? ???subs. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???One I know >>? ???is a Pisces & I believe the >>? ???other is also. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???I think >>? ???David Columbo has seen them in the >>? ???last year, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???he might >>? ???confirm. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???They told me they were >> losing >>? ???funding for operating them >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> as Govt considered rovs were >>? ???better >> value for money. >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Alan >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ???via >>? ? >> Personal_Submersibles" >>??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: psubs >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Sent: Tuesday, >>? ? >> January 6, 2015 >>? ???7:27 AM >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: >>? ???[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Does >>? ???anyone know what happened to all >>? ???the Pisces submarines? I believe there > was >> 10 built, >>???but >>? ???only one >> or two that >>? ???are still in operation. I >> think NOAA has one. >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Scott >>? ???Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent from my >> U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >>? ? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ???mailing list >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> mailing >>? ???list >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ? >>??? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 07:58:52 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 12:58:52 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub In-Reply-To: <1760950045.3435751.1420625566328.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420611732.79107.YahooMailBasic@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1760950045.3435751.1420625566328.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alec, Sounds veeeery interesting! Looking forward to seeing some pics. Tempted to try and come over for the convention, I am overdue meeting everyone in person. I remember seeing some pics of "solo" ages ago. The aft section i think had 2 motors with a streamlined MBT\hull\motor cover with intakes that looked like shark gills. Best I can describe. Is that all gone now? Regards James On 7 January 2015 at 10:12, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Sounds good Alec, > look forward to seeing it & the unveiling of > the mystery stern.... a bust of Obama? > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:22 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub > > Alec, Is the CT bolted on ? > > Pete > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 9:34 PM > > At the convention if it happens here! > I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random > high level attributes... > > The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", > shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for > skinny people at 31" OD. > > The CT is from PC-1402. > > The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. > > Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a > new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. > > Bow dome. > > Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. > > Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 > SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. > I hate rust. > > The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for > that one. I suspect one and only one person will love > it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say > that. > > The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than > 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which > is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual > deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without > putting a diver in the water. > > The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I > want to ship this one around the world to interesting > places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a > spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus > the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal > electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. > > > Thanks, > > Alec > > > > > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Alec, > > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new > build. Perhaps even a teaser. > > Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM > > > > Hank, > > > > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But > that's > > about the extent of it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alec > > > > > > > >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via > > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Alec, > >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I > have > > no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with > CT > > would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the > hull( > > over 2in thick GPR) It would be a > pretty > > simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some > > external rings and your away. I actually saw this > sub > > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr > one way > > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My > > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they > were > > after :-) > >> Hank------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via > Personal_Submersibles > > > > wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM > >> > >> Scott, > >> this does not look like it could do any surface run > to > > speak > >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When > you > >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! > >> Best, > >> > >> Alec > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 > >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> wrote: > >> Ok. Thanks > >> Hank.Scott > >> Waters > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> From: > >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > >> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM > >> (GMT-06:00) > >> To: Personal Submersibles > >> General Discussion > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> I lost the pics in a pc > >> problem You can contact Alan at > > Silvercrest, he was the > >> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see > it I > > will tag > >> along. > >> Hank-------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion" > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, > 2015, 1:36 PM > >> > >> That > >> might > >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My > goal > >> is 1000 meters or deeper, but > depends on what > >> options come > >> up.Thanks,Scott Waters > >> > >> Sent > >> from > >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > -------- > >> From: hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> Date:01/06/2015 12:25 > PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General > >> Discussion > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Leo > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> I don't know how deep you want > >> to go and how much effort > >> you want to put > >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in > >> > >> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two > > 34in > >> domes, one at each end. One > end opens as > >> the > >> hatch. My idea was to > replace the > >> hull with 516-70 > >> steel with a CT. It had > >> a deal worked out at 50K > >> landed in > >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. > >> > >> Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion" > >> > >> > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, > > 1:12 > >> PM > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> Did he say where > >> and how deep? > >> > >> Hank-------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: > >> "Personal Submersibles General > >> > >> Discussion" > >> Received: Tuesday, January > 6, 2015, 10:57 > >> AM > >> > >> An > >> update on Leo. Silvercrest > claims she was > >> sunk in > >> deep > >> water > >> after a insurance claim > some time > >> ago. Thanks,Scott > >> > >> Waters > >> Sent > >> from my > >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > -------- > >> From: via > Personal_Submersibles > >> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 > AM > > (GMT-06:00) > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> It would surely be nice to > find > >> Leo. I'd go into hock again > for that > >> one, just > >> for old > >> > >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm > >> virtually > >> certain that > >> those particular hull(s) were built of > >> > >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and > most > >> of > >> the > >> > >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the > ones > >> without > >> cyrillic > >> operating manuals). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I don't remember how thick the steel > >> > >> was, but it was definitely made from > > standard stuff. > >> Plus, > >> the main viewport > >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving > >> that > >> thing was seriously > awesome. She had > > plenty > >> of room > >> for > >> two > >> (or enough for three good > friends) and > > that > >> huge > >> picture > >> window in > >> the front. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> If Hyco had survived (Leo > was their > >> last > >> P-style boat) I'm betting > there > >> would be more of > >> them > >> > >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's > >> stranglehold on the shallow > water market > >> (shallow by > >> comparison) and I think it > >> was a really good try. > >> Sadly, > >> it > >> all fell apart before > >> we could really show her > >> off. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> We did all the deepwater pilot > > training > >> > >> in her down on the Flower Gardens, > and > > had a ball. > >> These > >> days, she'd be > >> even better, because the > >> subsystems and > >> propulsion gear is so much > better. That > > sub > >> was rated > >> for > >> 2000 > >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that > >> > >> for an option, > >> Scott? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> No fancy steel. Huge > >> viewport. 600 > >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 > >> > >> foot > >> sphere displaces less than > 6-tons. > >> Add a pair of > >> uncle > >> > >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam > >> to > >> support them. Fair the > >> thing like a fat tadpole. You > >> could > >> probably hold it down to 7, > maybe 7 1/2 > >> tons. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leo weighs 10. Most of the > P-boats > >> weigh > >> that, and a good bit more. > Yours > >> would be a > >> lightweight > >> > >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, > more > >> agile, > >> easier to > >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could > >> > >> be > >> better? Damn, I want one!!! > It would > >> be perfect for > >> my > >> > >> neck > >> of the woods. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> > >> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 > >> 7:49 am > >> > >> Subject: > >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks for the info > >> Phil. I keep running into the > >> same > >> problems of the material > and building of > >> the > >> personel > >> sphere. > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> > >> > >> From: Phil Nuytten via > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 > PM > > (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, Guys, and Happy > >> New Year to all loyal > >> subbers!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Glad to shed some little > light on the > >> Pisces > >> subs > >> . .We > >> (Nuytco) have > >> four Hyco boats ? > >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 > >> are > >> in > >> Hawaii at HURL > >> (Hawaii > >> Underwater Research Lab) > ? > >> they are out of > >> service, > >> > >> currently and may be sold > >> off if no > >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, > >> > >> because > >> Terry > >> Kerby > >> and his crew > >> rebuilt them into the > >> cream of the Pisces crop! There > >> are > >> two Pisces boats in > >> > >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, > >> actually > >> , > >> > >> outside a museum). > >> Pisces ?1, is > >> in the UK, last seen, it was in > >> parts. > >> Likewise, P-6 > >> is in > >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking > >> of > >> IUC?s vessel > >> ?Aloha?) > >> and what?s left is in > >> New York as Vance mentions. I > >> cut > >> a > >> deal with my old > >> friend Andre Galerne > (before his > >> untimely > >> death) to > >> have > >> first dibs on > >> buying P-6 to go into the > >> ?working sub? > >> Hyco/Pisces > >> display section at our > >> > >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving > >> technology > >> museum. His > >> sons, Lionel > >> and Eric were kind enough > >> to honour Andre?s > >> wishes > >> and we will arrange > >> > >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets > >> better. > >> Would appreciate > >> it if > >> you would steer clear of > this one > >> ? we do plan to > >> rebuild > >> to the same condition > >> > >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . > . > >> ?Leo? ? I heard some > years > >> ago that it was for sale > (cheap) but have > >> no idea > >> what > >> ultimately > >> happened to > >> it. Maybe ask at > >> Silvercrest? About all you will be > >> able > >> to > >> use from the P-boats > >> > >> now is the personnel sphere > ? you?d > >> probably be > >> better > >> off > >> building one from > >> scratch if you want a > >> thousand feet or less ? after > >> the > >> first thou, the spheres > >> > >> get much more expensive. > >> > >> > >> Reagards > >> > >> > >> > >> Phil > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: Monday, > >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General > >> > >> Discussion > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what > > turns up. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 > >> PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> International Underwater > >> Contractors. When Andre > Galern was alive, > >> it was one > >> of > >> THE > >> deep diving > >> > >> construction companies in the world. No idea > >> what's > >> happened up > >> there in the > >> last few years. Best to > >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. > >> He > >> knew/knows all those > >> > >> guys. > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General > >> Discussion > >> > >> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 > >> > >> 6:37 pm > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance, > >> > >> > >> > >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should > >> probably know this. Haha. > >> > >> I figure it's worth at least trying. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> > >> Cellular? > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Anything is possible, > Scott. > >> SIlvercrest will skin you > alive, given > > half > >> an > >> opportunity. > >> Or at > >> least they'll > >> try. You have to be > >> willing to wrangle with them. I > >> > >> don't think they'll respect > >> > >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one > >> laying > >> around. I've > >> never asked. > >> You could do a lot worse, > >> if the hulls are > >> salvageable. > >> There are four pressure > >> > >> vessels (except on Leo). The > personnel > > sphere, an > >> aft > >> floatation sphere, and > >> the > >> two 32" forward VBTs > >> (that's what is under > >> the > >> fiberglas brow that makes > the P > >> boats so distinctive. And > the boats weigh > >> from ten > >> to > >> twelve > >> tons, depending. > >> Just > >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds > >> for > >> load capability. The > >> > >> P-VI was the most perfect > hull Hyco > >> ever did--it was > >> fabricated in Jacques > >> > >> Piccard's shop in > Switzerland under > >> contract, and > >> was > >> lap > >> finished, as I > >> understand it--both > >> inside and out. Lovely thing, > >> P-VI. I > >> remember her well. > >> > >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it > >> out into > >> a dumpster. That > >> might > >> be another question for our > Dr. > >> Phil, as I have zero > >> contacts up that > >> way > >> anymore. Keep me in mind. > I'll > >> happily spin a > >> wrench for > >> > >> you anytime on one of > >> those. > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> To: > >> > >> Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: > >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Excellent info > >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was > >> hopeing > >> to locate one and > >> > >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one > rather > >> than > >> try to build a 1000m > >> > >> boat from scratch. Any more > pointers > >> would be > >> awesome. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM > (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> P-I Scrapped out by > >> > >> Vickers > >> > >> P-II > >> Rumored > >> to be in a Miami storage > unit > >> (unconfirmed) > >> > >> > >> P-III ? > >> > >> > >> P-IV In Hawaii and > >> in service (but stony > broke, I hear) > >> > >> > >> > >> P-V > >> Ditto > >> > >> P-VI > >> IUC warehouse in > >> New York, maybe parted > >> out > >> > >> > >> > >> P-VII In a Russian > >> museum (Sevastopol, I > >> think) > >> > >> > >> P-VIII > >> Nuytco > >> > >> > >> > >> P-IX > >> Design > >> study > >> for Intersub (4K > >> meters, never > >> built) > >> > >> P-X > >> Nuytco > >> > >> > >> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking > the front > >> doors, last I > >> saw) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Plus Leo, which > >> was a big-window Pisces > >> style rated to > >> 2000' > >> which, along with P-VI and > >> Aquarius, are the only > >> Hyco > >> boats > >> that I qualified > >> on > >> and operated (although the > P-VI > >> experience was not a > >> good > >> > >> one for me or the > >> owners, either > >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V > >> > >> overhaul in Houston, but > >> I'm not > >> sure that counts except for the busted > >> > >> knuckles. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I think the boys at Silvercrest might > >> > >> have one of the question > >> marks, but > >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that > >> > >> leaves > >> one unaccounted for. I'm > >> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. > Nuytten would know. > >> As a side > >> note, > >> if > >> you look at the > >> Mirs, > >> you will see where they sprang from. They are > >> Pisces > >> boats on steroids. > >> > >> Those people worked at IUC > for a couple > >> of years and > >> operated P-VII and P-XII > >> > >> for years after that, then > took all > >> those dandy > >> ideas, > >> > >> added > >> a pile of rubles, > >> and built a couple of big > brawny kissing > >> cousins. Mir > >> 1 > >> & > >> Mir 2, by name. > >> The Pisces subs were > >> pretty good for the day, but > >> maintenance > >> heavy. And rest > >> assured, you > >> haven't really lived until you have > >> > >> pulled > >> a Pisces battery box at > >> sea to change one cell. > What a job!!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: > >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> To: > >> > >> Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: > >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> > >> > >> > >> Hawaii > >> undersea research lab on > Oahu has > >> two > >> subs. > >> > >> > >> One I know > >> is a Pisces & I believe > the > >> other is also. > >> > >> > >> I think > >> David Columbo has seen them > in the > >> last year, > >> > >> > >> he might > >> confirm. > >> > >> > >> They told me they were > >> losing > >> funding for operating them > >> > >> > >> > >> as Govt considered rovs were > >> better > >> value for money. > >> > >> > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles" > >> > >> > >> To: psubs > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, > >> > >> January 6, 2015 > >> 7:27 AM > >> > >> Subject: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Does > >> anyone know what happened > to all > >> the Pisces submarines? I > believe there > > was > >> 10 built, > >> but > >> only one > >> or two that > >> are still in operation. I > >> think NOAA has one. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott > >> Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> mailing list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> mailing > >> list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing > list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment > >> Follows----- > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing > list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 08:08:10 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:08:10 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Message-ID: <82DB6F3E-203E-4482-ACD5-2AF5C4AE7923@upplevelsepresent.se> Hey guys, Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking for alternatives. What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone have something used for sale? I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any thoughts on that? Cheers Lasse Lasse Schmidt Upplevelsepresent.se Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 11130 Stockholm 070-28 32 660 From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 08:18:45 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 08:18:45 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub In-Reply-To: <1420611732.79107.YahooMailBasic@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <82B367EF-168F-47A7-B967-06035B80A856@gmail.com> <1420611732.79107.YahooMailBasic@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately not. I loved that feature of the PC tower, but due to the small main cylinder the weight and volume calculations just would not support the very heavy transition piece the tower would have bolted onto. I had to cut off the tower's flange and weld it to a standard nozzle. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alec, Is the CT bolted on ? > > Pete > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 9:34 PM > > At the convention if it happens here! > I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random > high level attributes... > > The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", > shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for > skinny people at 31" OD. > > The CT is from PC-1402. > > The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. > > Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a > new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. > > Bow dome. > > Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. > > Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 > SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. > I hate rust. > > The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for > that one. I suspect one and only one person will love > it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say > that. > > The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than > 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which > is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual > deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without > putting a diver in the water. > > The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I > want to ship this one around the world to interesting > places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a > spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus > the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal > electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. > > > Thanks, > > Alec > > > > > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Alec, > > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new > build. Perhaps even a teaser. > > Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM > > > > Hank, > > > > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But > that's > > about the extent of it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alec > > > > > > > >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via > > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Alec, > >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I > have > > no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with > CT > > would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the > hull( > > over 2in thick GPR) It would be a > pretty > > simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some > > external rings and your away. I actually saw this > sub > > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr > one way > > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My > > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they > were > > after :-) > >> Hank------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via > Personal_Submersibles > > > > wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM > >> > >> Scott, > >> this does not look like it could do any surface run > to > > speak > >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When > you > >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! > >> Best, > >> > >> Alec > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 > >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> wrote: > >> Ok. Thanks > >> Hank.Scott > >> Waters > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> From: > >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > >> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM > >> (GMT-06:00) > >> To: Personal Submersibles > >> General Discussion > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> I lost the pics in a pc > >> problem You can contact Alan at > > Silvercrest, he was the > >> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see > it I > > will tag > >> along. > >> Hank-------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion" > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, > 2015, 1:36 PM > >> > >> That > >> might > >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My > goal > >> is 1000 meters or deeper, but > depends on what > >> options come > >> up.Thanks,Scott Waters > >> > >> Sent > >> from > >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > -------- > >> From: hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> Date:01/06/2015 12:25 > PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General > >> Discussion > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Leo > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> I don't know how deep you want > >> to go and how much effort > >> you want to put > >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in > >> > >> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two > > 34in > >> domes, one at each end. One > end opens as > >> the > >> hatch. My idea was to > replace the > >> hull with 516-70 > >> steel with a CT. It had > >> a deal worked out at 50K > >> landed in > >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. > >> > >> Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion" > >> > >> > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, > > 1:12 > >> PM > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> Did he say where > >> and how deep? > >> > >> Hank-------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: > >> "Personal Submersibles General > >> > >> Discussion" > >> Received: Tuesday, January > 6, 2015, 10:57 > >> AM > >> > >> An > >> update on Leo. Silvercrest > claims she was > >> sunk in > >> deep > >> water > >> after a insurance claim > some time > >> ago. Thanks,Scott > >> > >> Waters > >> Sent > >> from my > >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > -------- > >> From: via > Personal_Submersibles > >> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 > AM > > (GMT-06:00) > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> It would surely be nice to > find > >> Leo. I'd go into hock again > for that > >> one, just > >> for old > >> > >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm > >> virtually > >> certain that > >> those particular hull(s) were built of > >> > >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and > most > >> of > >> the > >> > >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the > ones > >> without > >> cyrillic > >> operating manuals). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I don't remember how thick the steel > >> > >> was, but it was definitely made from > > standard stuff. > >> Plus, > >> the main viewport > >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving > >> that > >> thing was seriously > awesome. She had > > plenty > >> of room > >> for > >> two > >> (or enough for three good > friends) and > > that > >> huge > >> picture > >> window in > >> the front. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> If Hyco had survived (Leo > was their > >> last > >> P-style boat) I'm betting > there > >> would be more of > >> them > >> > >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's > >> stranglehold on the shallow > water market > >> (shallow by > >> comparison) and I think it > >> was a really good try. > >> Sadly, > >> it > >> all fell apart before > >> we could really show her > >> off. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> We did all the deepwater pilot > > training > >> > >> in her down on the Flower Gardens, > and > > had a ball. > >> These > >> days, she'd be > >> even better, because the > >> subsystems and > >> propulsion gear is so much > better. That > > sub > >> was rated > >> for > >> 2000 > >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that > >> > >> for an option, > >> Scott? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> No fancy steel. Huge > >> viewport. 600 > >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 > >> > >> foot > >> sphere displaces less than > 6-tons. > >> Add a pair of > >> uncle > >> > >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam > >> to > >> support them. Fair the > >> thing like a fat tadpole. You > >> could > >> probably hold it down to 7, > maybe 7 1/2 > >> tons. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leo weighs 10. Most of the > P-boats > >> weigh > >> that, and a good bit more. > Yours > >> would be a > >> lightweight > >> > >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, > more > >> agile, > >> easier to > >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could > >> > >> be > >> better? Damn, I want one!!! > It would > >> be perfect for > >> my > >> > >> neck > >> of the woods. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> > >> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 > >> 7:49 am > >> > >> Subject: > >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks for the info > >> Phil. I keep running into the > >> same > >> problems of the material > and building of > >> the > >> personel > >> sphere. > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> > >> > >> From: Phil Nuytten via > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 > PM > > (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, Guys, and Happy > >> New Year to all loyal > >> subbers!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Glad to shed some little > light on the > >> Pisces > >> subs > >> . .We > >> (Nuytco) have > >> four Hyco boats ? > >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 > >> are > >> in > >> Hawaii at HURL > >> (Hawaii > >> Underwater Research Lab) > ? > >> they are out of > >> service, > >> > >> currently and may be sold > >> off if no > >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, > >> > >> because > >> Terry > >> Kerby > >> and his crew > >> rebuilt them into the > >> cream of the Pisces crop! There > >> are > >> two Pisces boats in > >> > >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, > >> actually > >> , > >> > >> outside a museum). > >> Pisces ?1, is > >> in the UK, last seen, it was in > >> parts. > >> Likewise, P-6 > >> is in > >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking > >> of > >> IUC?s vessel > >> ?Aloha?) > >> and what?s left is in > >> New York as Vance mentions. I > >> cut > >> a > >> deal with my old > >> friend Andre Galerne > (before his > >> untimely > >> death) to > >> have > >> first dibs on > >> buying P-6 to go into the > >> ?working sub? > >> Hyco/Pisces > >> display section at our > >> > >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving > >> technology > >> museum. His > >> sons, Lionel > >> and Eric were kind enough > >> to honour Andre?s > >> wishes > >> and we will arrange > >> > >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets > >> better. > >> Would appreciate > >> it if > >> you would steer clear of > this one > >> ? we do plan to > >> rebuild > >> to the same condition > >> > >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . > . > >> ?Leo? ? I heard some > years > >> ago that it was for sale > (cheap) but have > >> no idea > >> what > >> ultimately > >> happened to > >> it. Maybe ask at > >> Silvercrest? About all you will be > >> able > >> to > >> use from the P-boats > >> > >> now is the personnel sphere > ? you?d > >> probably be > >> better > >> off > >> building one from > >> scratch if you want a > >> thousand feet or less ? after > >> the > >> first thou, the spheres > >> > >> get much more expensive. > >> > >> > >> Reagards > >> > >> > >> > >> Phil > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: Monday, > >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General > >> > >> Discussion > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what > > turns up. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 > >> PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> International Underwater > >> Contractors. When Andre > Galern was alive, > >> it was one > >> of > >> THE > >> deep diving > >> > >> construction companies in the world. No idea > >> what's > >> happened up > >> there in the > >> last few years. Best to > >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. > >> He > >> knew/knows all those > >> > >> guys. > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General > >> Discussion > >> > >> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 > >> > >> 6:37 pm > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance, > >> > >> > >> > >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should > >> probably know this. Haha. > >> > >> I figure it's worth at least trying. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> > >> Cellular? > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Anything is possible, > Scott. > >> SIlvercrest will skin you > alive, given > > half > >> an > >> opportunity. > >> Or at > >> least they'll > >> try. You have to be > >> willing to wrangle with them. I > >> > >> don't think they'll respect > >> > >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one > >> laying > >> around. I've > >> never asked. > >> You could do a lot worse, > >> if the hulls are > >> salvageable. > >> There are four pressure > >> > >> vessels (except on Leo). The > personnel > > sphere, an > >> aft > >> floatation sphere, and > >> the > >> two 32" forward VBTs > >> (that's what is under > >> the > >> fiberglas brow that makes > the P > >> boats so distinctive. And > the boats weigh > >> from ten > >> to > >> twelve > >> tons, depending. > >> Just > >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds > >> for > >> load capability. The > >> > >> P-VI was the most perfect > hull Hyco > >> ever did--it was > >> fabricated in Jacques > >> > >> Piccard's shop in > Switzerland under > >> contract, and > >> was > >> lap > >> finished, as I > >> understand it--both > >> inside and out. Lovely thing, > >> P-VI. I > >> remember her well. > >> > >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it > >> out into > >> a dumpster. That > >> might > >> be another question for our > Dr. > >> Phil, as I have zero > >> contacts up that > >> way > >> anymore. Keep me in mind. > I'll > >> happily spin a > >> wrench for > >> > >> you anytime on one of > >> those. > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> To: > >> > >> Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: > >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Excellent info > >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was > >> hopeing > >> to locate one and > >> > >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one > rather > >> than > >> try to build a 1000m > >> > >> boat from scratch. Any more > pointers > >> would be > >> awesome. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM > (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> P-I Scrapped out by > >> > >> Vickers > >> > >> P-II > >> Rumored > >> to be in a Miami storage > unit > >> (unconfirmed) > >> > >> > >> P-III ? > >> > >> > >> P-IV In Hawaii and > >> in service (but stony > broke, I hear) > >> > >> > >> > >> P-V > >> Ditto > >> > >> P-VI > >> IUC warehouse in > >> New York, maybe parted > >> out > >> > >> > >> > >> P-VII In a Russian > >> museum (Sevastopol, I > >> think) > >> > >> > >> P-VIII > >> Nuytco > >> > >> > >> > >> P-IX > >> Design > >> study > >> for Intersub (4K > >> meters, never > >> built) > >> > >> P-X > >> Nuytco > >> > >> > >> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking > the front > >> doors, last I > >> saw) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Plus Leo, which > >> was a big-window Pisces > >> style rated to > >> 2000' > >> which, along with P-VI and > >> Aquarius, are the only > >> Hyco > >> boats > >> that I qualified > >> on > >> and operated (although the > P-VI > >> experience was not a > >> good > >> > >> one for me or the > >> owners, either > >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V > >> > >> overhaul in Houston, but > >> I'm not > >> sure that counts except for the busted > >> > >> knuckles. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I think the boys at Silvercrest might > >> > >> have one of the question > >> marks, but > >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that > >> > >> leaves > >> one unaccounted for. I'm > >> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. > Nuytten would know. > >> As a side > >> note, > >> if > >> you look at the > >> Mirs, > >> you will see where they sprang from. They are > >> Pisces > >> boats on steroids. > >> > >> Those people worked at IUC > for a couple > >> of years and > >> operated P-VII and P-XII > >> > >> for years after that, then > took all > >> those dandy > >> ideas, > >> > >> added > >> a pile of rubles, > >> and built a couple of big > brawny kissing > >> cousins. Mir > >> 1 > >> & > >> Mir 2, by name. > >> The Pisces subs were > >> pretty good for the day, but > >> maintenance > >> heavy. And rest > >> assured, you > >> haven't really lived until you have > >> > >> pulled > >> a Pisces battery box at > >> sea to change one cell. > What a job!!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: > >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> To: > >> > >> Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: > >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> > >> > >> > >> Hawaii > >> undersea research lab on > Oahu has > >> two > >> subs. > >> > >> > >> One I know > >> is a Pisces & I believe > the > >> other is also. > >> > >> > >> I think > >> David Columbo has seen them > in the > >> last year, > >> > >> > >> he might > >> confirm. > >> > >> > >> They told me they were > >> losing > >> funding for operating them > >> > >> > >> > >> as Govt considered rovs were > >> better > >> value for money. > >> > >> > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles" > >> > >> > >> To: psubs > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, > >> > >> January 6, 2015 > >> 7:27 AM > >> > >> Subject: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Does > >> anyone know what happened > to all > >> the Pisces submarines? I > believe there > > was > >> 10 built, > >> but > >> only one > >> or two that > >> are still in operation. I > >> think NOAA has one. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott > >> Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> mailing list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> mailing > >> list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing > list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment > >> Follows----- > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing > list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 08:20:14 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 08:20:14 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub In-Reply-To: References: <1420611732.79107.YahooMailBasic@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1760950045.3435751.1420625566328.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100206.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep, gone. Years ago, you have a very good memory! On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:58 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Alec, > Sounds veeeery interesting! Looking forward to seeing some pics. Tempted > to try and come over for the convention, I am overdue meeting everyone in > person. I remember seeing some pics of "solo" ages ago. The aft section i > think had 2 motors with a streamlined MBT\hull\motor cover with intakes > that looked like shark gills. Best I can describe. Is that all gone now? > Regards > James > > On 7 January 2015 at 10:12, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Sounds good Alec, >> look forward to seeing it & the unveiling of >> the mystery stern.... a bust of Obama? >> Alan >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:22 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub >> >> Alec, Is the CT bolted on ? >> >> Pete >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 9:34 PM >> >> At the convention if it happens here! >> I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random >> high level attributes... >> >> The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", >> shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for >> skinny people at 31" OD. >> >> The CT is from PC-1402. >> >> The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. >> >> Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a >> new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. >> >> Bow dome. >> >> Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. >> >> Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 >> SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. >> I hate rust. >> >> The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for >> that one. I suspect one and only one person will love >> it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say >> that. >> >> The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than >> 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which >> is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual >> deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without >> putting a diver in the water. >> >> The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I >> want to ship this one around the world to interesting >> places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a >> spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus >> the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal >> electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Alec >> >> >> >> > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via >> Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> > >> > Alec, >> > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new >> build. Perhaps even a teaser. >> > Hank >> > -------------------------------------------- >> > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles >> >> wrote: >> > >> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM >> > >> > Hank, >> > >> > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But >> that's >> > about the extent of it. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Alec >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via >> > Personal_Submersibles >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Alec, >> >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I >> have >> > no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with >> CT >> > would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the >> hull( >> > over 2in thick GPR) It would be a >> pretty >> > simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some >> > external rings and your away. I actually saw this >> sub >> > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr >> one way >> > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My >> > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they >> were >> > after :-) >> >> Hank------------------------------------------- >> >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via >> Personal_Submersibles >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >> >> >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM >> >> >> >> Scott, >> >> this does not look like it could do any surface run >> to >> > speak >> >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When >> you >> >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Alec >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 >> >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com >> >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> wrote: >> >> Ok. Thanks >> >> Hank.Scott >> >> Waters >> >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> >> Cellular? Smartphone >> >> >> >> -------- Original message >> >> -------- >> >> From: >> >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> >> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM >> >> (GMT-06:00) >> >> To: Personal Submersibles >> >> General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: >> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott, >> >> I lost the pics in a pc >> >> problem You can contact Alan at >> > Silvercrest, he was the >> >> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see >> it I >> > will tag >> >> along. >> >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >> >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> To: "Personal >> >> Submersibles General Discussion" >> >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, >> 2015, 1:36 PM >> >> >> >> That >> >> might >> >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My >> goal >> >> is 1000 meters or deeper, but >> depends on what >> >> options come >> >> up.Thanks,Scott Waters >> >> >> >> Sent >> >> from >> >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >> >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> >> From: hank pronk via >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> Date:01/06/2015 12:25 >> PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General >> >> Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> >> Leo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott, >> >> I don't know how deep you want >> >> to go and how much effort >> >> you want to put >> >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in >> >> >> >> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two >> > 34in >> >> domes, one at each end. One >> end opens as >> >> the >> >> hatch. My idea was to >> replace the >> >> hull with 516-70 >> >> steel with a CT. It had >> >> a deal worked out at 50K >> >> landed in >> >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. >> >> >> >> Hank >> > -------------------------------------------- >> >> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> To: "Personal >> >> Submersibles General Discussion" >> >> >> >> >> >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, >> > 1:12 >> >> PM >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott, >> >> Did he say where >> >> and how deep? >> >> >> >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >> >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> To: >> >> "Personal Submersibles General >> >> >> >> Discussion" >> >> Received: Tuesday, January >> 6, 2015, 10:57 >> >> AM >> >> >> >> An >> >> update on Leo. Silvercrest >> claims she was >> >> sunk in >> >> deep >> >> water >> >> after a insurance claim >> some time >> >> ago. Thanks,Scott >> >> >> >> Waters >> >> Sent >> >> from my >> >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >> >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> >> From: via >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 >> AM >> > (GMT-06:00) >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> It would surely be nice to >> find >> >> Leo. I'd go into hock again >> for that >> >> one, just >> >> for old >> >> >> >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm >> >> virtually >> >> certain that >> >> those particular hull(s) were built of >> >> >> >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and >> most >> >> of >> >> the >> >> >> >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the >> ones >> >> without >> >> cyrillic >> >> operating manuals). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't remember how thick the steel >> >> >> >> was, but it was definitely made from >> > standard stuff. >> >> Plus, >> >> the main viewport >> >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving >> >> that >> >> thing was seriously >> awesome. She had >> > plenty >> >> of room >> >> for >> >> two >> >> (or enough for three good >> friends) and >> > that >> >> huge >> >> picture >> >> window in >> >> the front. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If Hyco had survived (Leo >> was their >> >> last >> >> P-style boat) I'm betting >> there >> >> would be more of >> >> them >> >> >> >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's >> >> stranglehold on the shallow >> water market >> >> (shallow by >> >> comparison) and I think it >> >> was a really good try. >> >> Sadly, >> >> it >> >> all fell apart before >> >> we could really show her >> >> off. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We did all the deepwater pilot >> > training >> >> >> >> in her down on the Flower Gardens, >> and >> > had a ball. >> >> These >> >> days, she'd be >> >> even better, because the >> >> subsystems and >> >> propulsion gear is so much >> better. That >> > sub >> >> was rated >> >> for >> >> 2000 >> >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that >> >> >> >> for an option, >> >> Scott? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No fancy steel. Huge >> >> viewport. 600 >> >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 >> >> >> >> foot >> >> sphere displaces less than >> 6-tons. >> >> Add a pair of >> >> uncle >> >> >> >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam >> >> to >> >> support them. Fair the >> >> thing like a fat tadpole. You >> >> could >> >> probably hold it down to 7, >> maybe 7 1/2 >> >> tons. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leo weighs 10. Most of the >> P-boats >> >> weigh >> >> that, and a good bit more. >> Yours >> >> would be a >> >> lightweight >> >> >> >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, >> more >> >> agile, >> >> easier to >> >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could >> >> >> >> be >> >> better? Damn, I want one!!! >> It would >> >> be perfect for >> >> my >> >> >> >> neck >> >> of the woods. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com >> >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To: Personal >> >> Submersibles General Discussion >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 >> >> 7:49 am >> >> >> >> Subject: >> >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for the info >> >> Phil. I keep running into the >> >> same >> >> problems of the material >> and building of >> >> the >> >> personel >> >> sphere. >> >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> >> Cellular? >> >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Phil Nuytten via >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 >> PM >> > (GMT-06:00) >> >> >> >> To: Personal >> >> Submersibles General Discussion >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, Guys, and Happy >> >> New Year to all loyal >> >> subbers!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Glad to shed some little >> light on the >> >> Pisces >> >> subs >> >> . .We >> >> (Nuytco) have >> >> four Hyco boats ? >> >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 >> >> are >> >> in >> >> Hawaii at HURL >> >> (Hawaii >> >> Underwater Research Lab) >> ? >> >> they are out of >> >> service, >> >> >> >> currently and may be sold >> >> off if no >> >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, >> >> >> >> because >> >> Terry >> >> Kerby >> >> and his crew >> >> rebuilt them into the >> >> cream of the Pisces crop! There >> >> are >> >> two Pisces boats in >> >> >> >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, >> >> actually >> >> , >> >> >> >> outside a museum). >> >> Pisces ?1, is >> >> in the UK, last seen, it was in >> >> parts. >> >> Likewise, P-6 >> >> is in >> >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking >> >> of >> >> IUC?s vessel >> >> ?Aloha?) >> >> and what?s left is in >> >> New York as Vance mentions. I >> >> cut >> >> a >> >> deal with my old >> >> friend Andre Galerne >> (before his >> >> untimely >> >> death) to >> >> have >> >> first dibs on >> >> buying P-6 to go into the >> >> ?working sub? >> >> Hyco/Pisces >> >> display section at our >> >> >> >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving >> >> technology >> >> museum. His >> >> sons, Lionel >> >> and Eric were kind enough >> >> to honour Andre?s >> >> wishes >> >> and we will arrange >> >> >> >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets >> >> better. >> >> Would appreciate >> >> it if >> >> you would steer clear of >> this one >> >> ? we do plan to >> >> rebuild >> >> to the same condition >> >> >> >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . >> . >> >> ?Leo? ? I heard some >> years >> >> ago that it was for sale >> (cheap) but have >> >> no idea >> >> what >> >> ultimately >> >> happened to >> >> it. Maybe ask at >> >> Silvercrest? About all you will be >> >> able >> >> to >> >> use from the P-boats >> >> >> >> now is the personnel sphere >> ? you?d >> >> probably be >> >> better >> >> off >> >> building one from >> >> scratch if you want a >> >> thousand feet or less ? after >> >> the >> >> first thou, the spheres >> >> >> >> get much more expensive. >> >> >> >> >> >> Reagards >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, >> >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> To: Personal >> >> Submersibles General >> >> >> >> Discussion >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what >> > turns up. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my >> >> U.S. >> >> Cellular? >> >> >> >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message >> >> -------- >> >> >> >> From: via >> >> >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 >> >> PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> International Underwater >> >> Contractors. When Andre >> Galern was alive, >> >> it was one >> >> of >> >> THE >> >> deep diving >> >> >> >> construction companies in the world. No idea >> >> what's >> >> happened up >> >> there in the >> >> last few years. Best to >> >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. >> >> He >> >> knew/knows all those >> >> >> >> guys. >> >> >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original >> >> >> >> Message----- >> >> >> >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com >> >> via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To: Personal >> >> Submersibles General >> >> Discussion >> >> >> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 >> >> >> >> 6:37 pm >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vance, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should >> >> probably know this. Haha. >> >> >> >> I figure it's worth at least trying. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> >> >> >> Cellular? >> >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> >> >> >> >> From: via >> >> >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >> >> >> >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Anything is possible, >> Scott. >> >> SIlvercrest will skin you >> alive, given >> > half >> >> an >> >> opportunity. >> >> Or at >> >> least they'll >> >> try. You have to be >> >> willing to wrangle with them. I >> >> >> >> don't think they'll respect >> >> >> >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one >> >> laying >> >> around. I've >> >> never asked. >> >> You could do a lot worse, >> >> if the hulls are >> >> salvageable. >> >> There are four pressure >> >> >> >> vessels (except on Leo). The >> personnel >> > sphere, an >> >> aft >> >> floatation sphere, and >> >> the >> >> two 32" forward VBTs >> >> (that's what is under >> >> the >> >> fiberglas brow that makes >> the P >> >> boats so distinctive. And >> the boats weigh >> >> from ten >> >> to >> >> twelve >> >> tons, depending. >> >> Just >> >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds >> >> for >> >> load capability. The >> >> >> >> P-VI was the most perfect >> hull Hyco >> >> ever did--it was >> >> fabricated in Jacques >> >> >> >> Piccard's shop in >> Switzerland under >> >> contract, and >> >> was >> >> lap >> >> finished, as I >> >> understand it--both >> >> inside and out. Lovely thing, >> >> P-VI. I >> >> remember her well. >> >> >> >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it >> >> out into >> >> a dumpster. That >> >> might >> >> be another question for our >> Dr. >> >> Phil, as I have zero >> >> contacts up that >> >> way >> >> anymore. Keep me in mind. >> I'll >> >> happily spin a >> >> wrench for >> >> >> >> you anytime on one of >> >> those. >> >> >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original >> >> Message----- >> >> >> >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com >> >> via >> >> >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> To: >> >> >> >> Personal Submersibles General >> > Discussion >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: >> >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> >> Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Excellent info >> >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was >> >> hopeing >> >> to locate one and >> >> >> >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one >> rather >> >> than >> >> try to build a 1000m >> >> >> >> boat from scratch. Any more >> pointers >> >> would be >> >> awesome. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my >> >> U.S. >> >> Cellular? >> >> >> >> Smartphone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original message >> >> -------- >> >> >> >> From: via >> >> >> >> Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM >> (GMT-06:00) >> >> >> >> >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> P-I Scrapped out by >> >> >> >> Vickers >> >> >> >> P-II >> >> Rumored >> >> to be in a Miami storage >> unit >> >> (unconfirmed) >> >> >> >> >> >> P-III ? >> >> >> >> >> >> P-IV In Hawaii and >> >> in service (but stony >> broke, I hear) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> P-V >> >> Ditto >> >> >> >> P-VI >> >> IUC warehouse in >> >> New York, maybe parted >> >> out >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> P-VII In a Russian >> >> museum (Sevastopol, I >> >> think) >> >> >> >> >> >> P-VIII >> >> Nuytco >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> P-IX >> >> Design >> >> study >> >> for Intersub (4K >> >> meters, never >> >> built) >> >> >> >> P-X >> >> Nuytco >> >> >> >> >> >> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking >> the front >> >> doors, last I >> >> saw) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Plus Leo, which >> >> was a big-window Pisces >> >> style rated to >> >> 2000' >> >> which, along with P-VI and >> >> Aquarius, are the only >> >> Hyco >> >> boats >> >> that I qualified >> >> on >> >> and operated (although the >> P-VI >> >> experience was not a >> >> good >> >> >> >> one for me or the >> >> owners, either >> >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V >> >> >> >> overhaul in Houston, but >> >> I'm not >> >> sure that counts except for the busted >> >> >> >> knuckles. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I think the boys at Silvercrest might >> >> >> >> have one of the question >> >> marks, but >> >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that >> >> >> >> leaves >> >> one unaccounted for. I'm >> >> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. >> Nuytten would know. >> >> As a side >> >> note, >> >> if >> >> you look at the >> >> Mirs, >> >> you will see where they sprang from. They are >> >> Pisces >> >> boats on steroids. >> >> >> >> Those people worked at IUC >> for a couple >> >> of years and >> >> operated P-VII and P-XII >> >> >> >> for years after that, then >> took all >> >> those dandy >> >> ideas, >> >> >> >> added >> >> a pile of rubles, >> >> and built a couple of big >> brawny kissing >> >> cousins. Mir >> >> 1 >> >> & >> >> Mir 2, by name. >> >> The Pisces subs were >> >> pretty good for the day, but >> >> maintenance >> >> heavy. And rest >> >> assured, you >> >> haven't really lived until you have >> >> >> >> pulled >> >> a Pisces battery box at >> >> sea to change one cell. >> What a job!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original >> >> >> >> Message----- >> >> >> >> From: >> >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> To: >> >> >> >> Personal Submersibles General >> > Discussion >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: >> >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> >> Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Scott, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hawaii >> >> undersea research lab on >> Oahu has >> >> two >> >> subs. >> >> >> >> >> >> One I know >> >> is a Pisces & I believe >> the >> >> other is also. >> >> >> >> >> >> I think >> >> David Columbo has seen them >> in the >> >> last year, >> >> >> >> >> >> he might >> >> confirm. >> >> >> >> >> >> They told me they were >> >> losing >> >> funding for operating them >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> as Govt considered rovs were >> >> better >> >> value for money. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com >> >> via >> >> >> >> Personal_Submersibles" >> >> >> >> >> >> To: psubs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, >> >> >> >> January 6, 2015 >> >> 7:27 AM >> >> >> >> Subject: >> >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does >> >> anyone know what happened >> to all >> >> the Pisces submarines? I >> believe there >> > was >> >> 10 built, >> >> but >> >> only one >> >> or two that >> >> are still in operation. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 08:32:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 05:32:26 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub In-Reply-To: <82B367EF-168F-47A7-B967-06035B80A856@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1420637546.852.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alec, Hmmm, we are left be being detectives are we.:-) The sub must be quite long with a snuggly 31 in dia,and a weight of 4500 lbs. I sure like the all SS or plastic. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:34 PM At the convention if it happens here! I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random high level attributes... The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for skinny people at 31" OD. The CT is from PC-1402. The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. Bow dome. Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. I hate rust. The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for that one. I suspect one and only one person will love it.? It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say that. The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without putting a diver in the water. The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I want to ship this one around the world to interesting places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. Thanks, Alec > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alec, > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new build.? Perhaps even a teaser. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM > > Hank, > > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But that's > about the extent of it. > > Thanks, > > Alec > > > >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> >> >> Alec, >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I have > no clue about GPR hulls.? I though a new hull with CT > would be the ticket.? The domes rest right on the hull( > over 2in thick GPR)???It would be a pretty > simple hull to build.? A 32in dia tube with some > external rings and your away.? I actually saw this sub > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr one way > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage.? My > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they were > after :-) >> Hank------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM >> >> Scott, >> this does not look like it could do any surface run to > speak >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! >> Best, >> >> Alec >>??? >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> Ok. Thanks >> Hank.Scott >> Waters >> >> Sent from my U.S. >> Cellular? Smartphone >> >> -------- Original message >> -------- >> From: >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? >> Date:01/06/2015? 12:46 PM >> (GMT-06:00) >> To: Personal Submersibles >> General Discussion? >> Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >> >> >> Scott, >> I lost the pics in a pc >> problem???You can contact Alan at > Silvercrest, he was the >> agent.? If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I > will tag >> along.? >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >> via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >>???Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >>???To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >>???Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 1:36 PM >> >>???That >>???might >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal >>???is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what >> options come >>???up.Thanks,Scott Waters >> >>???Sent >>???from >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >>???-------- Original message -------- >>???From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> >>???Date:01/06/2015? 12:25 PM? (GMT-06:00) >> >>???To: Personal Submersibles General >> Discussion? >>???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Leo >> >> >> >> Scott, >>???I don't know how deep you want >> to go and how much effort >>???you want to put >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in >> >> Tenerife Spain.? The Wrangler is GPR with two > 34in >>???domes, one at each end.? One end opens as >> the >>???hatch.? My idea was to replace the >> hull with 516-70 >>???steel with a CT.? It had >> a deal worked out at 50K >>???landed in >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. >> >> Hank > -------------------------------------------- >>???On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via >> Personal_Submersibles >>??? >> wrote: >> >>? ? Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >>? ? To: "Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion" >> >> >>? ? Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, > 1:12 >> PM >>? ? >>? ? >>? ? Scott, >>? ? Did he say where >> and how deep? >>??? >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >>? ? On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ? via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >>? ? wrote: >>? ? >> >>? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo >>? ???To: >> "Personal Submersibles General >> >> Discussion" >>? ???Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 >> AM >>? ??? >>? ???An >>? ???update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was >> sunk in >>???deep >>? ? water >>? ???after a insurance claim some time >>? ???ago. Thanks,Scott >>? ? >> Waters >>? ???Sent >>? ???from my >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ???-------- Original message -------- >>? ???From: via Personal_Submersibles? >>? ???Date:01/06/2015? 8:02 AM > (GMT-06:00) >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>? ???Subject: Re: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ???It would surely be nice to find >>? ???Leo. I'd go into hock again for that >> one, just >>???for old >>? ? >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm >>???virtually >>? ???certain that >> those particular hull(s) were built of >>? ? >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most >>???of >>? ? the >>? ? >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones >>? ? without >>? ???cyrillic >> operating manuals). >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? I don't remember how thick the steel >> >>? ? was, but it was definitely made from > standard stuff. >>???Plus, >>? ???the main viewport >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving >>???that >>? ???thing was seriously awesome. She had > plenty >> of room >>???for >>? ? two >>? ???(or enough for three good friends) and > that >> huge >>???picture >>? ???window in >> the front. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???If Hyco had survived (Leo was their >> last >>? ???P-style boat) I'm betting there >> would be more of >>???them >>? ? >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's >>? ???stranglehold on the shallow water market >> (shallow by >>? ???comparison) and I think it >> was a really good try. >>???Sadly, >>? ? it >>? ???all fell apart before >> we could really show her >>? ???off. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? We did all the deepwater pilot > training >> >>? ? in her down on the Flower Gardens, and > had a ball. >>???These >>? ???days, she'd be >> even better, because the >>???subsystems and >>? ???propulsion gear is so much better. That > sub >> was rated >>???for >>? ???2000 >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that >> >> for an option, >>? ???Scott? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> No fancy steel. Huge >>? ???viewport. 600 >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 >> >> foot >>? ???sphere displaces less than 6-tons. >> Add a pair of >>???uncle >>? ? >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam >>???to >>? ???support them. Fair the >> thing like a fat tadpole. You >>???could >>? ???probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 >> tons. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats >> weigh >>? ???that, and a good bit more. Yours >> would be a >>???lightweight >>? ? >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more >>? ? agile, >>? ???easier to >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could >> >> be >>? ???better? Damn, I want one!!! It would >> be perfect for >>???my >>??? >> neck >>? ???of the woods. >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ???Vance >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? -----Original Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ? via Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 >> 7:49 am >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Thanks for the info >> Phil. I keep running into the >>???same >>? ???problems of the material and building of >> the >>???personel >>? ???sphere. >>? ??? >>? ???Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Sent from my U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? -------- Original message -------- >>? ? >> >>? ???From: Phil Nuytten via >> Personal_Submersibles? >>? ??? >>? ???Date:01/05/2015? 8:44 PM > (GMT-06:00) >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion? >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Hi, Guys, and Happy >> New Year to all loyal >>? ???subbers!! >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >>??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Glad to shed some little light on the >> Pisces >>???subs >>? ???. .We >> (Nuytco) have >>? ???four Hyco boats ? >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 >>???are >>? ? in >>? ???Hawaii at HURL >> (Hawaii >>? ???Underwater Research Lab) ? >> they are out of >>???service, >> >>? ? currently and may be sold >>? ???off if no >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, >> >> because >>? ? Terry >>? ???Kerby >> and his crew >>? ???rebuilt them into the >> cream of the Pisces crop! There >>???are >>? ???two Pisces boats in >>? ? >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, >>???actually >>? ? , >> >>? ? outside a museum). >>? ???Pisces ?1, is >> in the UK, last seen, it? was in >>???parts. >>? ???Likewise, P-6? >>? ???is in >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking >>???of >>? ???IUC?s vessel >> ?Aloha?) >>? ???and what?s left is in >> New York as Vance mentions. I >>???cut >>? ? a >>? ???deal with my old >>? ???friend? Andre Galerne (before his >> untimely >>???death) to >>? ???have >> first dibs on >>? ???buying P-6 to go into the >> ?working sub? >>???Hyco/Pisces >>? ???display section at our >>? ? >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving >>???technology >>? ???museum. His >> sons, Lionel >>? ???and Eric were kind enough >> to honour Andre?s >>???wishes >>? ???and we will arrange >>? ? >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets >>???better. >>? ???Would appreciate >> it if >>? ???you would steer clear of this one >> ? we do plan to >>? ? rebuild >>? ???to the same condition >>? ? >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . . >>? ????Leo? ? I heard some years >>? ???ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have >> no idea >>???what >>? ???ultimately >> happened to >>? ???it. Maybe ask at >> Silvercrest? About all you will be >>???able >>? ? to >>? ???use from the P-boats >> >>? ???now is the personnel sphere ? you?d >> probably be >>???better >>? ???off >> building one from >>? ???scratch if you want a >> thousand feet or less ? after >>???the >>? ???first thou, the spheres >> >>? ? get much more expensive. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Reagards >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Phil >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: Monday, >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >>? ???Submersibles General >>? ? >> Discussion >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what > turns up. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent from my >> U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >>? ? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ???-------- Original message >> -------- >>? ??? >>? ???From: via >> >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ???Date:01/05/2015 6:34 >>? ???PM (GMT-06:00) >>? ??? >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Subject: Re: >>? ???[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???International Underwater >>? ???Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, >> it was one >>???of >>? ? THE >>? ???deep diving >>? ? >> construction companies in the world. No idea >>???what's >>? ???happened up >> there in the >>? ???last few years. Best to >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. >>???He >>? ???knew/knows all those >>? ? >> guys. >>? ??? >>? ???Vance >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???-----Original >> >>? ???Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ???via Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???To: Personal >> Submersibles General >>? ???Discussion >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 >> >>? ???6:37 pm >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Vance, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should >>? ???probably know this. Haha. >> >>? ? I figure it's worth at least trying. >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Sent from my U.S. >>? ? >> Cellular? >>? ???Smartphone >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? -------- Original message -------- >>? ? >> >>? ???From: via >>? ? >> Personal_Submersibles >>? ??? >> >>? ? Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >>? ? >> >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Anything is possible, Scott. >>? ???SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given > half >> an >>? ? opportunity. >>? ???Or at >> least they'll >>? ???try. You have to be >> willing to wrangle with them. I >>? ? >> don't think they'll respect >>? ? >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one >>???laying >>? ???around. I've >> never asked. >>? ???You could do a lot worse, >> if the hulls are >>???salvageable. >>? ???There are four pressure >> >>? ? vessels (except on Leo). The personnel > sphere, an >>???aft >>? ???floatation sphere, and >> the >>? ???two 32" forward VBTs >> (that's what is under >>???the >>? ???fiberglas brow that makes the P >>? ???boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh >> from ten >>???to >>? ? twelve >>? ???tons, depending. >>? ???Just >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds >>???for >>? ???load capability. The >> >>? ???P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco >> ever did--it was >>? ???fabricated in Jacques >> >>? ???Piccard's shop in Switzerland under >> contract, and >>???was >>? ???lap >> finished, as I >>? ???understand it--both >> inside and out. Lovely thing, >>???P-VI. I >>? ???remember her well. >>? ? >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it >>???out into >>? ???a dumpster. That >> might >>? ???be another question for our Dr. >> Phil, as I have zero >>? ???contacts up that >> way >>? ???anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll >> happily spin a >>???wrench for >> >>? ? you anytime on one of >>? ???those. >>? ??? >>? ???Vance >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???-----Original >>? ???Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ???via >>? ? >> Personal_Submersibles >>??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: >> >>? ? Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: >>? ???Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm >> >>? ? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Excellent info >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was >>???hopeing >>? ???to locate one and >>? ? >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather >>???than >>? ???try to build a 1000m >> >>? ???boat from scratch. Any more pointers >> would be >>???awesome. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Scott Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent from my >> U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >>? ? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ???-------- Original message >> -------- >>? ??? >>? ???From: via >> >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ? >>? ???Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00) >> >>? ??? >>? ???To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???P-I Scrapped out by >> >>? ? Vickers >>? ??? >>? ???P-II >> Rumored >>? ???to be in a Miami storage unit >> (unconfirmed) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-III ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-IV In Hawaii and >>? ???in service (but stony broke, I hear) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> P-V >>? ???Ditto >>? ??? >>? ???P-VI >>? ???IUC warehouse in >> New York, maybe parted >>? ???out >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> P-VII In a Russian >>? ???museum (Sevastopol, I >> think) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-VIII >>? ???Nuytco >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> P-IX >>? ???Design >>? ???study >> for Intersub (4K >>? ???meters, never >> built) >>? ??? >>? ???P-X >> Nuytco >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front >>? ???doors, last I >>? ???saw) >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Plus Leo, which >> was a big-window Pisces >>? ???style rated to >> 2000' >>? ???which, along with P-VI and >> Aquarius, are the only >>???Hyco >>? ? boats >>? ???that I qualified >> on >>? ???and operated (although the P-VI >> experience was not a >>???good >> >>? ? one for me or the >>? ???owners, either >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V >>? ? >> overhaul in Houston, but >>? ???I'm not >> sure that counts except for the busted >>? ? >> knuckles. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? I think the boys at Silvercrest might >>? ? >> have one of the question >>? ???marks, but >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that >> >> leaves >>? ???one unaccounted for. I'm >>? ???betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. >> As a side >>???note, >>? ? if >>? ???you look at the >>? ???Mirs, >> you will see where they sprang from. They are >>???Pisces >>? ???boats on steroids. >> >>? ???Those people worked at IUC for a couple >> of years and >>? ???operated P-VII and P-XII >> >>? ???for years after that, then took all >> those dandy >>???ideas, >>??? >> added >>? ???a pile of rubles, >>? ???and built a couple of big brawny kissing >> cousins. Mir >>???1 >>? ???& >> Mir 2, by name. >>? ???The Pisces subs were >> pretty good for the day, but >>? ???maintenance >> heavy. And rest >>? ???assured, you >> haven't really lived until you have >> >> pulled >>? ???a Pisces battery box at >>? ???sea to change one cell. What a job!!! >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Vance >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???-----Original >>? ? >> Message----- >>? ??? >>? ???From: >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >>??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: >> >>? ? Personal Submersibles General > Discussion >> >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent: >>? ???Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm >> >>? ? >>? ???Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >> Pisces >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Scott, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Hawaii >>? ???undersea research lab on Oahu has >> two >>? ???subs. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???One I know >>? ???is a Pisces & I believe the >>? ???other is also. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???I think >>? ???David Columbo has seen them in the >>? ???last year, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???he might >>? ???confirm. >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???They told me they were >> losing >>? ???funding for operating them >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> as Govt considered rovs were >>? ???better >> value for money. >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Alan >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com >>? ???via >>? ? >> Personal_Submersibles" >>??? >>? ??? >>? ???To: psubs >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ???Sent: Tuesday, >>? ? >> January 6, 2015 >>? ???7:27 AM >>? ??? >>? ???Subject: >>? ???[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ???Does >>? ???anyone know what happened to all >>? ???the Pisces submarines? I believe there > was >> 10 built, >>???but >>? ???only one >> or two that >>? ???are still in operation. I >> think NOAA has one. >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ???Thanks, >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> Scott >>? ???Waters >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ???Sent from my >> U.S. >>? ???Cellular? >>? ? >> Smartphone >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> >>? ???mailing list >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles >> mailing >>? ???list >>? ??? >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ??? >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ??? >>? ??? >> >>? ? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ??? >>? ? >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>? ??? >>? ? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ???Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>? ???Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>? ? >>???http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>? ??? >>? ? >>??? >> _______________________________________________ >>? ? 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I sure like the > all SS or plastic. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:34 PM > > At the convention if it happens here! > I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random > high level attributes... > > The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", > shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for > skinny people at 31" OD. > > The CT is from PC-1402. > > The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. > > Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a > new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. > > Bow dome. > > Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. > > Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 > SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. > I hate rust. > > The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for > that one. I suspect one and only one person will love > it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say > that. > > The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than > 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which > is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual > deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without > putting a diver in the water. > > The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I > want to ship this one around the world to interesting > places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a > spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus > the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal > electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. > > > Thanks, > > Alec > > > > > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Alec, > > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new > build. Perhaps even a teaser. > > Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM > > > > Hank, > > > > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But > that's > > about the extent of it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alec > > > > > > > >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via > > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Alec, > >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I > have > > no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with > CT > > would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the > hull( > > over 2in thick GPR) It would be a > pretty > > simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some > > external rings and your away. I actually saw this > sub > > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr > one way > > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My > > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they > were > > after :-) > >> Hank------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via > Personal_Submersibles > > > > wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM > >> > >> Scott, > >> this does not look like it could do any surface run > to > > speak > >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When > you > >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! > >> Best, > >> > >> Alec > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 > >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> wrote: > >> Ok. Thanks > >> Hank.Scott > >> Waters > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> From: > >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > >> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM > >> (GMT-06:00) > >> To: Personal Submersibles > >> General Discussion > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> I lost the pics in a pc > >> problem You can contact Alan at > > Silvercrest, he was the > >> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see > it I > > will tag > >> along. > >> Hank-------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion" > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, > 2015, 1:36 PM > >> > >> That > >> might > >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My > goal > >> is 1000 meters or deeper, but > depends on what > >> options come > >> up.Thanks,Scott Waters > >> > >> Sent > >> from > >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > -------- > >> From: hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> Date:01/06/2015 12:25 > PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General > >> Discussion > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Leo > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> I don't know how deep you want > >> to go and how much effort > >> you want to put > >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in > >> > >> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two > > 34in > >> domes, one at each end. One > end opens as > >> the > >> hatch. My idea was to > replace the > >> hull with 516-70 > >> steel with a CT. It had > >> a deal worked out at 50K > >> landed in > >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. > >> > >> Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion" > >> > >> > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, > > 1:12 > >> PM > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> Did he say where > >> and how deep? > >> > >> Hank-------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: > >> "Personal Submersibles General > >> > >> Discussion" > >> Received: Tuesday, January > 6, 2015, 10:57 > >> AM > >> > >> An > >> update on Leo. Silvercrest > claims she was > >> sunk in > >> deep > >> water > >> after a insurance claim > some time > >> ago. Thanks,Scott > >> > >> Waters > >> Sent > >> from my > >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > -------- > >> From: via > Personal_Submersibles > >> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 > AM > > (GMT-06:00) > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> It would surely be nice to > find > >> Leo. I'd go into hock again > for that > >> one, just > >> for old > >> > >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm > >> virtually > >> certain that > >> those particular hull(s) were built of > >> > >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and > most > >> of > >> the > >> > >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the > ones > >> without > >> cyrillic > >> operating manuals). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I don't remember how thick the steel > >> > >> was, but it was definitely made from > > standard stuff. > >> Plus, > >> the main viewport > >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving > >> that > >> thing was seriously > awesome. She had > > plenty > >> of room > >> for > >> two > >> (or enough for three good > friends) and > > that > >> huge > >> picture > >> window in > >> the front. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> If Hyco had survived (Leo > was their > >> last > >> P-style boat) I'm betting > there > >> would be more of > >> them > >> > >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's > >> stranglehold on the shallow > water market > >> (shallow by > >> comparison) and I think it > >> was a really good try. > >> Sadly, > >> it > >> all fell apart before > >> we could really show her > >> off. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> We did all the deepwater pilot > > training > >> > >> in her down on the Flower Gardens, > and > > had a ball. > >> These > >> days, she'd be > >> even better, because the > >> subsystems and > >> propulsion gear is so much > better. That > > sub > >> was rated > >> for > >> 2000 > >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that > >> > >> for an option, > >> Scott? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> No fancy steel. Huge > >> viewport. 600 > >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 > >> > >> foot > >> sphere displaces less than > 6-tons. > >> Add a pair of > >> uncle > >> > >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam > >> to > >> support them. Fair the > >> thing like a fat tadpole. You > >> could > >> probably hold it down to 7, > maybe 7 1/2 > >> tons. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leo weighs 10. Most of the > P-boats > >> weigh > >> that, and a good bit more. > Yours > >> would be a > >> lightweight > >> > >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, > more > >> agile, > >> easier to > >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could > >> > >> be > >> better? Damn, I want one!!! > It would > >> be perfect for > >> my > >> > >> neck > >> of the woods. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> > >> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 > >> 7:49 am > >> > >> Subject: > >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks for the info > >> Phil. I keep running into the > >> same > >> problems of the material > and building of > >> the > >> personel > >> sphere. > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> > >> > >> From: Phil Nuytten via > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 > PM > > (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, Guys, and Happy > >> New Year to all loyal > >> subbers!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Glad to shed some little > light on the > >> Pisces > >> subs > >> . .We > >> (Nuytco) have > >> four Hyco boats ? > >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 > >> are > >> in > >> Hawaii at HURL > >> (Hawaii > >> Underwater Research Lab) > ? > >> they are out of > >> service, > >> > >> currently and may be sold > >> off if no > >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, > >> > >> because > >> Terry > >> Kerby > >> and his crew > >> rebuilt them into the > >> cream of the Pisces crop! There > >> are > >> two Pisces boats in > >> > >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, > >> actually > >> , > >> > >> outside a museum). > >> Pisces ?1, is > >> in the UK, last seen, it was in > >> parts. > >> Likewise, P-6 > >> is in > >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking > >> of > >> IUC?s vessel > >> ?Aloha?) > >> and what?s left is in > >> New York as Vance mentions. I > >> cut > >> a > >> deal with my old > >> friend Andre Galerne > (before his > >> untimely > >> death) to > >> have > >> first dibs on > >> buying P-6 to go into the > >> ?working sub? > >> Hyco/Pisces > >> display section at our > >> > >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving > >> technology > >> museum. His > >> sons, Lionel > >> and Eric were kind enough > >> to honour Andre?s > >> wishes > >> and we will arrange > >> > >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets > >> better. > >> Would appreciate > >> it if > >> you would steer clear of > this one > >> ? we do plan to > >> rebuild > >> to the same condition > >> > >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . > . > >> ?Leo? ? I heard some > years > >> ago that it was for sale > (cheap) but have > >> no idea > >> what > >> ultimately > >> happened to > >> it. Maybe ask at > >> Silvercrest? About all you will be > >> able > >> to > >> use from the P-boats > >> > >> now is the personnel sphere > ? you?d > >> probably be > >> better > >> off > >> building one from > >> scratch if you want a > >> thousand feet or less ? after > >> the > >> first thou, the spheres > >> > >> get much more expensive. > >> > >> > >> Reagards > >> > >> > >> > >> Phil > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: Monday, > >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General > >> > >> Discussion > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what > > turns up. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 > >> PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> International Underwater > >> Contractors. When Andre > Galern was alive, > >> it was one > >> of > >> THE > >> deep diving > >> > >> construction companies in the world. No idea > >> what's > >> happened up > >> there in the > >> last few years. Best to > >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. > >> He > >> knew/knows all those > >> > >> guys. > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General > >> Discussion > >> > >> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 > >> > >> 6:37 pm > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance, > >> > >> > >> > >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should > >> probably know this. Haha. > >> > >> I figure it's worth at least trying. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> > >> Cellular? > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Anything is possible, > Scott. > >> SIlvercrest will skin you > alive, given > > half > >> an > >> opportunity. > >> Or at > >> least they'll > >> try. You have to be > >> willing to wrangle with them. I > >> > >> don't think they'll respect > >> > >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one > >> laying > >> around. I've > >> never asked. > >> You could do a lot worse, > >> if the hulls are > >> salvageable. > >> There are four pressure > >> > >> vessels (except on Leo). The > personnel > > sphere, an > >> aft > >> floatation sphere, and > >> the > >> two 32" forward VBTs > >> (that's what is under > >> the > >> fiberglas brow that makes > the P > >> boats so distinctive. And > the boats weigh > >> from ten > >> to > >> twelve > >> tons, depending. > >> Just > >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds > >> for > >> load capability. The > >> > >> P-VI was the most perfect > hull Hyco > >> ever did--it was > >> fabricated in Jacques > >> > >> Piccard's shop in > Switzerland under > >> contract, and > >> was > >> lap > >> finished, as I > >> understand it--both > >> inside and out. Lovely thing, > >> P-VI. I > >> remember her well. > >> > >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it > >> out into > >> a dumpster. That > >> might > >> be another question for our > Dr. > >> Phil, as I have zero > >> contacts up that > >> way > >> anymore. Keep me in mind. > I'll > >> happily spin a > >> wrench for > >> > >> you anytime on one of > >> those. > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> To: > >> > >> Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: > >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Excellent info > >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was > >> hopeing > >> to locate one and > >> > >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one > rather > >> than > >> try to build a 1000m > >> > >> boat from scratch. Any more > pointers > >> would be > >> awesome. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM > (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> P-I Scrapped out by > >> > >> Vickers > >> > >> P-II > >> Rumored > >> to be in a Miami storage > unit > >> (unconfirmed) > >> > >> > >> P-III ? > >> > >> > >> P-IV In Hawaii and > >> in service (but stony > broke, I hear) > >> > >> > >> > >> P-V > >> Ditto > >> > >> P-VI > >> IUC warehouse in > >> New York, maybe parted > >> out > >> > >> > >> > >> P-VII In a Russian > >> museum (Sevastopol, I > >> think) > >> > >> > >> P-VIII > >> Nuytco > >> > >> > >> > >> P-IX > >> Design > >> study > >> for Intersub (4K > >> meters, never > >> built) > >> > >> P-X > >> Nuytco > >> > >> > >> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking > the front > >> doors, last I > >> saw) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Plus Leo, which > >> was a big-window Pisces > >> style rated to > >> 2000' > >> which, along with P-VI and > >> Aquarius, are the only > >> Hyco > >> boats > >> that I qualified > >> on > >> and operated (although the > P-VI > >> experience was not a > >> good > >> > >> one for me or the > >> owners, either > >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V > >> > >> overhaul in Houston, but > >> I'm not > >> sure that counts except for the busted > >> > >> knuckles. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I think the boys at Silvercrest might > >> > >> have one of the question > >> marks, but > >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that > >> > >> leaves > >> one unaccounted for. I'm > >> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. > Nuytten would know. > >> As a side > >> note, > >> if > >> you look at the > >> Mirs, > >> you will see where they sprang from. They are > >> Pisces > >> boats on steroids. > >> > >> Those people worked at IUC > for a couple > >> of years and > >> operated P-VII and P-XII > >> > >> for years after that, then > took all > >> those dandy > >> ideas, > >> > >> added > >> a pile of rubles, > >> and built a couple of big > brawny kissing > >> cousins. Mir > >> 1 > >> & > >> Mir 2, by name. > >> The Pisces subs were > >> pretty good for the day, but > >> maintenance > >> heavy. And rest > >> assured, you > >> haven't really lived until you have > >> > >> pulled > >> a Pisces battery box at > >> sea to change one cell. > What a job!!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: > >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> To: > >> > >> Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: > >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> > >> > >> > >> Hawaii > >> undersea research lab on > Oahu has > >> two > >> subs. > >> > >> > >> One I know > >> is a Pisces & I believe > the > >> other is also. > >> > >> > >> I think > >> David Columbo has seen them > in the > >> last year, > >> > >> > >> he might > >> confirm. > >> > >> > >> They told me they were > >> losing > >> funding for operating them > >> > >> > >> > >> as Govt considered rovs were > >> better > >> value for money. > >> > >> > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles" > >> > >> > >> To: psubs > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, > >> > >> January 6, 2015 > >> 7:27 AM > >> > >> Subject: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Does > >> anyone know what happened > to all > >> the Pisces submarines? I > believe there > > was > >> 10 built, > >> but > >> only one > >> or two that > >> are still in operation. I > >> think NOAA has one. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott > >> Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> mailing list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> mailing > >> list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing > list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment > >> Follows----- > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing > list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 11:55:20 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 08:55:20 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems In-Reply-To: <82DB6F3E-203E-4482-ACD5-2AF5C4AE7923@upplevelsepresent.se> References: <82DB6F3E-203E-4482-ACD5-2AF5C4AE7923@upplevelsepresent.se> Message-ID: <96A6E7E438724C7EA2200E34295F3D73@PhillPC> Hullo Lasse, I recommend Imagenex very highly. We use their systems on all of our subs and Exosuits. The designer and owner is Willi Wilhemsen. He is also the man behind the Konigsberg (sp?) sonars, as the co-founder of Mesotech which was sold to Konigsberg. Imagenex products are top-notch and their staff are instantly responsive to any problems. Their operations guy and trainer is Helmut Lanziner - one of the most knowledgeable people on sonar operations on the planet. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 5:08 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Hey guys, Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking for alternatives. What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone have something used for sale? I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any thoughts on that? Cheers Lasse Lasse Schmidt Upplevelsepresent.se Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 11130 Stockholm 070-28 32 660 _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 12:12:25 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:12:25 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems In-Reply-To: <82DB6F3E-203E-4482-ACD5-2AF5C4AE7923@upplevelsepresent.se> Message-ID: Lasse, Wat is affordable.. I know a Blueview with toughbook for sale for Euro 33.000,- Maybe the Humminbird 360 is something for you. http://www.humminbird.com/Category/Technology/360-Imaging/ Have no experience how that unit works on a sub. Regards, Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 14:08 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Hey guys, Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking for alternatives. What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone have something used for sale? I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any thoughts on that? Cheers Lasse Lasse Schmidt Upplevelsepresent.se Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 11130 Stockholm 070-28 32 660 _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 12:18:14 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:18:14 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems In-Reply-To: <96A6E7E438724C7EA2200E34295F3D73@PhillPC> References: <82DB6F3E-203E-4482-ACD5-2AF5C4AE7923@upplevelsepresent.se> <96A6E7E438724C7EA2200E34295F3D73@PhillPC> Message-ID: <804EC499-7AD1-4C24-B9A1-09D22DADAD93@upplevelsepresent.se> Thanks Phil, I appreciate your thoughts. It would be neat to use an ipad as the computer for the sonar, any experience with that? Best regards, Lasse > 7 jan 2015 kl. 17:55 skrev Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles : > > Hullo Lasse, > I recommend Imagenex very highly. We use their systems on all of our subs > and Exosuits. The designer and owner is Willi Wilhemsen. He is also the man > behind the Konigsberg (sp?) sonars, as the co-founder of Mesotech which was > sold to Konigsberg. Imagenex products are top-notch and their staff are > instantly responsive to any problems. Their operations guy and trainer is > Helmut Lanziner - one of the most knowledgeable people on sonar operations > on the planet. > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 5:08 AM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems > > Hey guys, > > Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. > Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking > for alternatives. > What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone > have something used for sale? > I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any > thoughts on that? > > Cheers Lasse > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelsepresent.se > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > 070-28 32 660 > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 13:23:43 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 10:23:43 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: <1420655023.45916.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 13:26:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 10:26:26 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: <1420655186.51503.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 13:44:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 12:44:26 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 13:51:31 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 19:51:31 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You are right Emile - 33.000 is out of my league though. The humminbird seems surprisingly nice for its price, anyone tried it on a sub? > 7 jan 2015 kl. 18:14 skrev "Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles" : > > Lasse, > > Wat is affordable.. I know a Blueview with toughbook for sale for Euro > 33.000,- > Maybe the Humminbird 360 is something for you. > http://www.humminbird.com/Category/Technology/360-Imaging/ > Have no experience how that unit works on a sub. > > Regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 14:08 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems > > Hey guys, > > Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. > Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking > for alternatives. > What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone > have something used for sale? > I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any > thoughts on that? > > Cheers Lasse > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelsepresent.se > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > 070-28 32 660 > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 14:22:35 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 13:22:35 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Message-ID: I have the humminbird 898c on Trustworthy. I love it. It is a great price for what it delivers. I have pictures on my profile of it. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:51 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems You are right Emile - 33.000 is out of my league though. The humminbird seems surprisingly nice for its price, anyone tried it on a sub? > 7 jan 2015 kl. 18:14 skrev "Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles" : > > Lasse, > > Wat is affordable.. I know a Blueview with toughbook for sale for Euro > 33.000,- > Maybe the Humminbird 360 is something for you. > http://www.humminbird.com/Category/Technology/360-Imaging/ > Have no experience how that unit works on a sub. > > Regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 14:08 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems > > Hey guys, > > Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. > Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking > for alternatives. > What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone > have something used for sale? > I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any > thoughts on that? > > Cheers Lasse > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelsepresent.se > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > 070-28 32 660 > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 14:26:13 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 20:26:13 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep, only the cable is affordable (700,- USD..).. that item is integrated in my sub. On the picture a Blueview , a readout and the friend I borrowed it from. Make sure the Humminbird 360 don?t need GPS and be the first one.. Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 19:52 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems You are right Emile - 33.000 is out of my league though. The humminbird seems surprisingly nice for its price, anyone tried it on a sub? > 7 jan 2015 kl. 18:14 skrev "Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles" : > > Lasse, > > Wat is affordable.. I know a Blueview with toughbook for sale for Euro > 33.000,- > Maybe the Humminbird 360 is something for you. > http://www.humminbird.com/Category/Technology/360-Imaging/ > Have no experience how that unit works on a sub. > > Regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 14:08 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems > > Hey guys, > > Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. > Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking > for alternatives. > What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone > have something used for sale? > I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any > thoughts on that? > > Cheers Lasse > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelsepresent.se > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > 070-28 32 660 > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0246.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 29905 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 14:39:21 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 11:39:21 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420659561.5710.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand.? Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub.? When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 15:00:19 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 14:00:19 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Message-ID: I use the GPS also. I love it. You do have to epoxy fill the dome antenna. If you want the 360 version you do not have to fill the tranducer, because it is already filled with some form of low viscosity oil. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:26 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Yep, only the cable is affordable (700,- USD..).. that item is integrated in my sub. On the picture a Blueview , a readout and the friend I borrowed it from. Make sure the Humminbird 360 don?t need GPS and be the first one.. Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 19:52 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems You are right Emile - 33.000 is out of my league though. The humminbird seems surprisingly nice for its price, anyone tried it on a sub? > 7 jan 2015 kl. 18:14 skrev "Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles" : > > Lasse, > > Wat is affordable.. I know a Blueview with toughbook for sale for Euro > 33.000,- > Maybe the Humminbird 360 is something for you. > http://www.humminbird.com/Category/Technology/360-Imaging/ > Have no experience how that unit works on a sub. > > Regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 14:08 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems > > Hey guys, > > Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. > Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking > for alternatives. > What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone > have something used for sale? > I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any > thoughts on that? > > Cheers Lasse > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelsepresent.se > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > 070-28 32 660 > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 15:07:05 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 14:07:05 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters.? 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 15:23:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 21:23:48 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <174AA5F8-1C74-4F2A-B2D3-B93720EDA05E@upplevelsepresent.se> Very cool, i'll have a look. Thanks guys for all the info. Judging from the screenshots, the hummingbird 360 has better imaging. Apart from being more rugged, what is the pros of the imagenex? Cheers Lasse Crashdive.se 7 jan 2015 kl. 21:02 skrev "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" >: I use the GPS also. I love it. You do have to epoxy fill the dome antenna. If you want the 360 version you do not have to fill the tranducer, because it is already filled with some form of low viscosity oil. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:26 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Yep, only the cable is affordable (700,- USD..).. that item is integrated in my sub. On the picture a Blueview , a readout and the friend I borrowed it from. Make sure the Humminbird 360 don?t need GPS and be the first one.. Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 19:52 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems You are right Emile - 33.000 is out of my league though. The humminbird seems surprisingly nice for its price, anyone tried it on a sub? > 7 jan 2015 kl. 18:14 skrev "Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles" >: > > Lasse, > > Wat is affordable.. I know a Blueview with toughbook for sale for Euro > 33.000,- > Maybe the Humminbird 360 is something for you. > http://www.humminbird.com/Category/Technology/360-Imaging/ > Have no experience how that unit works on a sub. > > Regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 14:08 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems > > Hey guys, > > Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. > Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking > for alternatives. > What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone > have something used for sale? > I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any > thoughts on that? > > Cheers Lasse > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelsepresent.se > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > 070-28 32 660 > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 15:39:44 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 14:39:44 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Message-ID: My sub has the side scan and down image. I have not used the 360, but Dan Lance has used it, just not in a submarine application yet. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 2:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Very cool, i'll have a look. Thanks guys for all the info. Judging from the screenshots, the hummingbird 360 has better imaging. Apart from being more rugged, what is the pros of the imagenex? Cheers Lasse Crashdive.se 7 jan 2015 kl. 21:02 skrev "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" : I use the GPS also. I love it. You do have to epoxy fill the dome antenna. If you want the 360 version you do not have to fill the tranducer, because it is already filled with some form of low viscosity oil. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:26 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems Yep, only the cable is affordable (700,- USD..).. that item is integrated in my sub. On the picture a Blueview , a readout and the friend I borrowed it from. Make sure the Humminbird 360 don?t need GPS and be the first one.. Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 19:52 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems You are right Emile - 33.000 is out of my league though. The humminbird seems surprisingly nice for its price, anyone tried it on a sub? > 7 jan 2015 kl. 18:14 skrev "Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles" : > > Lasse, > > Wat is affordable.. I know a Blueview with toughbook for sale for Euro > 33.000,- > Maybe the Humminbird 360 is something for you. > http://www.humminbird.com/Category/Technology/360-Imaging/ > Have no experience how that unit works on a sub. > > Regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: woensdag 7 januari 2015 14:08 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Affordable Sonar Systems > > Hey guys, > > Last year we damaged the sonar and need to replace it. > Not very happy with Tritech and their Swedish representatives so I?m looking > for alternatives. > What would you guys recommend? Anyone tried the Imagenex 852? Or does anyone > have something used for sale? > I?m also thinking of mounting the sonar in the tower to get a 360 view. Any > thoughts on that? > > Cheers Lasse > > Lasse Schmidt > Upplevelsepresent.se > Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 > 11130 Stockholm > 070-28 32 660 > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hopefully some day I can have a sub as capable as that. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 5:38 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, You may have seen this already, but here is the Pisces in North Vancouver. Hank --- On Wed, 1/7/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:35 PM > > > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 18:55:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:55:57 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420674957.67419.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, Have you contacted owners of Pisces subs that are on display? Hank On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:46 PM That is so cool. Hopefully some day I can have a sub as capable as that.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 5:38 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, You may have seen this already, but here is the Pisces in North Vancouver. Hank --- On Wed, 1/7/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:35 PM > > > > ? ?? ? > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 19:00:53 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 18:00:53 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Message-ID: No. Phil said he already had dibs on it. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 5:55 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, Have you contacted owners of Pisces subs that are on display? Hank On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:46 PM That is so cool. Hopefully some day I can have a sub as capable as that.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 5:38 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, You may have seen this already, but here is the Pisces in North Vancouver. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 19:12:40 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:12:40 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420675960.49908.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I mean other Pisces subs, like the one in the UK. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 7:00 PM No. Phil said he already had dibs on it.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 5:55 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, Have you contacted owners of Pisces subs that are on display? Hank On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:46 PM That is so cool. Hopefully some day I can have a sub as capable as that.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/07/2015? 5:38 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, You may have seen this already, but here is the Pisces in North Vancouver. Hank --- On Wed, 1/7/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:35 PM > > > > ? ?? ? > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 19:33:34 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:33:34 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep Perry sub Message-ID: <1420677214.56534.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Did Perry not build a sub with three spheres bolted together, was it not able to go 1,000 m. I think those hulls are in eastern Canada. Were they HY-100 Vance? Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 19:36:12 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 18:36:12 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Message-ID: I haven't been able to locate contact info. Do you have it? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 6:12 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, I mean other Pisces subs, like the one in the UK. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 7:00 PM No. Phil said he already had dibs on it.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 5:55 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, Have you contacted owners of Pisces subs that are on display? Hank On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:46 PM That is so cool. Hopefully some day I can have a sub as capable as that.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 19:45:44 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:45:44 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420677944.23734.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I already sent an inquiry, I will let you know what they say. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 7:36 PM I haven't been able to locate contact info. Do you have it?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 6:12 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, I mean other Pisces subs, like the one in the UK. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 7:00 PM No. Phil said he already had dibs on it.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/07/2015? 5:55 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, Have you contacted owners of Pisces subs that are on display? Hank On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:46 PM ? ? That is ? so cool. Hopefully some day I can have a sub as capable as ? that.Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/07/2015? 5:38 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org ? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: ? ? ? Scott, ? You may have seen this already, but here is the Pisces in ? North Vancouver. ? Hank ? ? --- On Wed, 1/7/15, hank pronk ? wrote: ? ? > From: hank pronk ? > Subject: ? > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" ? ? > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:35 PM ? > ? > ? > ? > ? ?? ? ? > ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 20:06:46 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Vance Bradley via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 20:06:46 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] deep Perry sub In-Reply-To: <1420677214.56534.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420677214.56534.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39E5D924-13F2-4B20-8966-2683E584E00F@AOL.com> Yes, they are HY-100. Vance Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2015, at 7:33 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Did Perry not build a sub with three spheres bolted together, was it not able to go 1,000 m. I think those hulls are in eastern Canada. Were they HY-100 Vance? > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 7 21:51:58 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 21:51:58 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub In-Reply-To: <20150107170309.80FB242E@m0048136.ppops.net> References: <20150107170309.80FB242E@m0048136.ppops.net> Message-ID: I think that would be fine sport. But you'll all be wrong about the stern, hehehe. This should be fun. Alec On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alec, are we allowed to conjecture as to what you have created ? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:15:16 +0000 > > Ive just had a look and managed to find the old pics lurking on wayback > machine. > > > http://web.archive.org/web/20050307112458/http://www.psubs.org/psub_pic/alec_smyth3.html > > On 7 January 2015 at 13:32, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alec, > Hmmm, we are left be being detectives are we.:-) The sub must be quite > long with a snuggly 31 in dia,and a weight of 4500 lbs. I sure like the > all SS or plastic. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:34 PM > > At the convention if it happens here! > I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random > high level attributes... > > The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo", > shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for > skinny people at 31" OD. > > The CT is from PC-1402. > > The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile. > > Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a > new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy. > > Bow dome. > > Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them. > > Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316 > SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside. > I hate rust. > > The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for > that one. I suspect one and only one person will love > it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say > that. > > The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than > 4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which > is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual > deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without > putting a diver in the water. > > The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I > want to ship this one around the world to interesting > places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a > spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus > the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal > electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc. > > > Thanks, > > Alec > > > > > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Alec, > > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new > build. Perhaps even a teaser. > > Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM > > > > Hank, > > > > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But > that's > > about the extent of it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alec > > > > > > > >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via > > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Alec, > >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I > have > > no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with > CT > > would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the > hull( > > over 2in thick GPR) It would be a > pretty > > simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some > > external rings and your away. I actually saw this > sub > > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr > one way > > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My > > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they > were > > after :-) > >> Hank------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via > Personal_Submersibles > > > > wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM > >> > >> Scott, > >> this does not look like it could do any surface run > to > > speak > >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When > you > >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along! > >> Best, > >> > >> Alec > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 > >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> wrote: > >> Ok. Thanks > >> Hank.Scott > >> Waters > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> From: > >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > >> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM > >> (GMT-06:00) > >> To: Personal Submersibles > >> General Discussion > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> I lost the pics in a pc > >> problem You can contact Alan at > > Silvercrest, he was the > >> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see > it I > > will tag > >> along. > >> Hank-------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion" > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, > 2015, 1:36 PM > >> > >> That > >> might > >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My > goal > >> is 1000 meters or deeper, but > depends on what > >> options come > >> up.Thanks,Scott Waters > >> > >> Sent > >> from > >> my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > -------- > >> From: hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> Date:01/06/2015 12:25 > PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General > >> Discussion > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Leo > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> I don't know how deep you want > >> to go and how much effort > >> you want to put > >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in > >> > >> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two > > 34in > >> domes, one at each end. One > end opens as > >> the > >> hatch. My idea was to > replace the > >> hull with 516-70 > >> steel with a CT. It had > >> a deal worked out at 50K > >> landed in > >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet. > >> > >> Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: "Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion" > >> > >> > >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, > > 1:12 > >> PM > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> Did he say where > >> and how deep? > >> > >> Hank-------------------------------------------- > >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo > >> To: > >> "Personal Submersibles General > >> > >> Discussion" > >> Received: Tuesday, January > 6, 2015, 10:57 > >> AM > >> > >> An > >> update on Leo. Silvercrest > claims she was > >> sunk in > >> deep > >> water > >> after a insurance claim > some time > >> ago. Thanks,Scott > >> > >> Waters > >> Sent > >> from my > >> U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >> > >> -------- Original message > -------- > >> From: via > Personal_Submersibles > >> Date:01/06/2015 8:02 > AM > > (GMT-06:00) > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> It would surely be nice to > find > >> Leo. I'd go into hock again > for that > >> one, just > >> for old > >> > >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm > >> virtually > >> certain that > >> those particular hull(s) were built of > >> > >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and > most > >> of > >> the > >> > >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the > ones > >> without > >> cyrillic > >> operating manuals). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I don't remember how thick the steel > >> > >> was, but it was definitely made from > > standard stuff. > >> Plus, > >> the main viewport > >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving > >> that > >> thing was seriously > awesome. She had > > plenty > >> of room > >> for > >> two > >> (or enough for three good > friends) and > > that > >> huge > >> picture > >> window in > >> the front. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> If Hyco had survived (Leo > was their > >> last > >> P-style boat) I'm betting > there > >> would be more of > >> them > >> > >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's > >> stranglehold on the shallow > water market > >> (shallow by > >> comparison) and I think it > >> was a really good try. > >> Sadly, > >> it > >> all fell apart before > >> we could really show her > >> off. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> We did all the deepwater pilot > > training > >> > >> in her down on the Flower Gardens, > and > > had a ball. > >> These > >> days, she'd be > >> even better, because the > >> subsystems and > >> propulsion gear is so much > better. That > > sub > >> was rated > >> for > >> 2000 > >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that > >> > >> for an option, > >> Scott? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> No fancy steel. Huge > >> viewport. 600 > >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2 > >> > >> foot > >> sphere displaces less than > 6-tons. > >> Add a pair of > >> uncle > >> > >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam > >> to > >> support them. Fair the > >> thing like a fat tadpole. You > >> could > >> probably hold it down to 7, > maybe 7 1/2 > >> tons. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leo weighs 10. Most of the > P-boats > >> weigh > >> that, and a good bit more. > Yours > >> would be a > >> lightweight > >> > >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, > more > >> agile, > >> easier to > >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could > >> > >> be > >> better? Damn, I want one!!! > It would > >> be perfect for > >> my > >> > >> neck > >> of the woods. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> > >> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 > >> 7:49 am > >> > >> Subject: > >> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks for the info > >> Phil. I keep running into the > >> same > >> problems of the material > and building of > >> the > >> personel > >> sphere. > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> > >> > >> From: Phil Nuytten via > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 8:44 > PM > > (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi, Guys, and Happy > >> New Year to all loyal > >> subbers!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Glad to shed some little > light on the > >> Pisces > >> subs > >> . .We > >> (Nuytco) have > >> four Hyco boats ? > >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5 > >> are > >> in > >> Hawaii at HURL > >> (Hawaii > >> Underwater Research Lab) > ? > >> they are out of > >> service, > >> > >> currently and may be sold > >> off if no > >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not, > >> > >> because > >> Terry > >> Kerby > >> and his crew > >> rebuilt them into the > >> cream of the Pisces crop! There > >> are > >> two Pisces boats in > >> > >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or, > >> actually > >> , > >> > >> outside a museum). > >> Pisces ?1, is > >> in the UK, last seen, it was in > >> parts. > >> Likewise, P-6 > >> is in > >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking > >> of > >> IUC?s vessel > >> ?Aloha?) > >> and what?s left is in > >> New York as Vance mentions. I > >> cut > >> a > >> deal with my old > >> friend Andre Galerne > (before his > >> untimely > >> death) to > >> have > >> first dibs on > >> buying P-6 to go into the > >> ?working sub? > >> Hyco/Pisces > >> display section at our > >> > >> long-awaited ?Deep Discovery Centre? diving > >> technology > >> museum. His > >> sons, Lionel > >> and Eric were kind enough > >> to honour Andre?s > >> wishes > >> and we will arrange > >> > >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets > >> better. > >> Would appreciate > >> it if > >> you would steer clear of > this one > >> ? we do plan to > >> rebuild > >> to the same condition > >> > >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . > . > >> ?Leo? ? I heard some > years > >> ago that it was for sale > (cheap) but have > >> no idea > >> what > >> ultimately > >> happened to > >> it. Maybe ask at > >> Silvercrest? About all you will be > >> able > >> to > >> use from the P-boats > >> > >> now is the personnel sphere > ? you?d > >> probably be > >> better > >> off > >> building one from > >> scratch if you want a > >> thousand feet or less ? after > >> the > >> first thou, the spheres > >> > >> get much more expensive. > >> > >> > >> Reagards > >> > >> > >> > >> Phil > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: Monday, > >> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General > >> > >> Discussion > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what > > turns up. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 6:34 > >> PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> International Underwater > >> Contractors. When Andre > Galern was alive, > >> it was one > >> of > >> THE > >> deep diving > >> > >> construction companies in the world. No idea > >> what's > >> happened up > >> there in the > >> last few years. Best to > >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too. > >> He > >> knew/knows all those > >> > >> guys. > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> To: Personal > >> Submersibles General > >> Discussion > >> > >> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 > >> > >> 6:37 pm > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance, > >> > >> > >> > >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should > >> probably know this. Haha. > >> > >> I figure it's worth at least trying. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. > >> > >> Cellular? > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Anything is possible, > Scott. > >> SIlvercrest will skin you > alive, given > > half > >> an > >> opportunity. > >> Or at > >> least they'll > >> try. You have to be > >> willing to wrangle with them. I > >> > >> don't think they'll respect > >> > >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one > >> laying > >> around. I've > >> never asked. > >> You could do a lot worse, > >> if the hulls are > >> salvageable. > >> There are four pressure > >> > >> vessels (except on Leo). The > personnel > > sphere, an > >> aft > >> floatation sphere, and > >> the > >> two 32" forward VBTs > >> (that's what is under > >> the > >> fiberglas brow that makes > the P > >> boats so distinctive. And > the boats weigh > >> from ten > >> to > >> twelve > >> tons, depending. > >> Just > >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds > >> for > >> load capability. The > >> > >> P-VI was the most perfect > hull Hyco > >> ever did--it was > >> fabricated in Jacques > >> > >> Piccard's shop in > Switzerland under > >> contract, and > >> was > >> lap > >> finished, as I > >> understand it--both > >> inside and out. Lovely thing, > >> P-VI. I > >> remember her well. > >> > >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it > >> out into > >> a dumpster. That > >> might > >> be another question for our > Dr. > >> Phil, as I have zero > >> contacts up that > >> way > >> anymore. Keep me in mind. > I'll > >> happily spin a > >> wrench for > >> > >> you anytime on one of > >> those. > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> To: > >> > >> Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: > >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Excellent info > >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was > >> hopeing > >> to locate one and > >> > >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one > rather > >> than > >> try to build a 1000m > >> > >> boat from scratch. Any more > pointers > >> would be > >> awesome. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> Scott Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original message > >> -------- > >> > >> From: via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM > (GMT-06:00) > >> > >> > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> P-I Scrapped out by > >> > >> Vickers > >> > >> P-II > >> Rumored > >> to be in a Miami storage > unit > >> (unconfirmed) > >> > >> > >> P-III ? > >> > >> > >> P-IV In Hawaii and > >> in service (but stony > broke, I hear) > >> > >> > >> > >> P-V > >> Ditto > >> > >> P-VI > >> IUC warehouse in > >> New York, maybe parted > >> out > >> > >> > >> > >> P-VII In a Russian > >> museum (Sevastopol, I > >> think) > >> > >> > >> P-VIII > >> Nuytco > >> > >> > >> > >> P-IX > >> Design > >> study > >> for Intersub (4K > >> meters, never > >> built) > >> > >> P-X > >> Nuytco > >> > >> > >> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking > the front > >> doors, last I > >> saw) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Plus Leo, which > >> was a big-window Pisces > >> style rated to > >> 2000' > >> which, along with P-VI and > >> Aquarius, are the only > >> Hyco > >> boats > >> that I qualified > >> on > >> and operated (although the > P-VI > >> experience was not a > >> good > >> > >> one for me or the > >> owners, either > >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V > >> > >> overhaul in Houston, but > >> I'm not > >> sure that counts except for the busted > >> > >> knuckles. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I think the boys at Silvercrest might > >> > >> have one of the question > >> marks, but > >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that > >> > >> leaves > >> one unaccounted for. I'm > >> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. > Nuytten would know. > >> As a side > >> note, > >> if > >> you look at the > >> Mirs, > >> you will see where they sprang from. They are > >> Pisces > >> boats on steroids. > >> > >> Those people worked at IUC > for a couple > >> of years and > >> operated P-VII and P-XII > >> > >> for years after that, then > took all > >> those dandy > >> ideas, > >> > >> added > >> a pile of rubles, > >> and built a couple of big > brawny kissing > >> cousins. Mir > >> 1 > >> & > >> Mir 2, by name. > >> The Pisces subs were > >> pretty good for the day, but > >> maintenance > >> heavy. And rest > >> assured, you > >> haven't really lived until you have > >> > >> pulled > >> a Pisces battery box at > >> sea to change one cell. > What a job!!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original > >> > >> Message----- > >> > >> From: > >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> > >> To: > >> > >> Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: > >> Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm > >> > >> > >> Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > >> Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott, > >> > >> > >> > >> Hawaii > >> undersea research lab on > Oahu has > >> two > >> subs. > >> > >> > >> One I know > >> is a Pisces & I believe > the > >> other is also. > >> > >> > >> I think > >> David Columbo has seen them > in the > >> last year, > >> > >> > >> he might > >> confirm. > >> > >> > >> They told me they were > >> losing > >> funding for operating them > >> > >> > >> > >> as Govt considered rovs were > >> better > >> value for money. > >> > >> > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com > >> via > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles" > >> > >> > >> To: psubs > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, > >> > >> January 6, 2015 > >> 7:27 AM > >> > >> Subject: > >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Does > >> anyone know what happened > to all > >> the Pisces submarines? I > believe there > > was > >> 10 built, > >> but > >> only one > >> or two that > >> are still in operation. I > >> think NOAA has one. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >> Scott > >> Waters > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my > >> U.S. > >> Cellular? > >> > >> Smartphone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> mailing list > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org 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Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters. 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 00:50:32 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 21:50:32 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: In-Reply-To: <1420673885.90862.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420673885.90862.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46DEF3B253D24BAA9C6A903CA7FEC5BA@PhillPC> Hi, Hank Actually, that's a pic of a full scale fibreglass mock-up of Pisces 4 that was built for and used in a technology show. The actual Pisces subs are in 20 and 40 foot containers in our storage yard. -----Original Message----- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:38 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, You may have seen this already, but here is the Pisces in North Vancouver. Hank --- On Wed, 1/7/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 6:35 PM > > > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 03:56:15 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 21:56:15 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: <006e01d02afd$d02e1d80$708a5880$@telus.net> References: <006e01d02afd$d02e1d80$708a5880$@telus.net> Message-ID: <66F26DBE-258A-412B-89A3-C5243458D777@yahoo.com> Tim, I got to climb in the Triton 3000 when it was in Auckland. It had a $3million price tag. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 8/01/2015, at 5:44 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, > > If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? > > Tim > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > Hank, > The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters. > 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > Scott, > I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM > > I would > love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a > terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a > deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New > York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to > lake Michigan this year > too.Thanks,Scott Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > Hi Scott, > Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a > pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can > crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you > could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the > sub. 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Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters. 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 11:57:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:57:56 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Message-ID: That's awesome. Any more info on it? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 6:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, This is the Pisces I inquired about. The sub is in the UK on display at a marine park. Make them an offer they can't refuse. I guess it could also be a replica. Hank --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:57 AM > > > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 12:19:31 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:19:31 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just googled it a bit and it seems to be the Pisces III, the one where the 2 guys got rescued. Looks like its in Weymouth. Surprised I didn't know that already as I am quite often knocking about in Weymouth with nothing to do, waiting for the ferry to Guernsey. If it is there, I will go and see it next time I am waiting for my ferry. Its sinking\rescue fame will probably push the price up. James On 8 January 2015 at 16:57, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > That's awesome. Any more info on it? > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/08/2015 6:02 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: > > Scott, > This is the Pisces I inquired about. The sub is in the UK on display at > a marine park. Make them an offer they can't refuse. I guess it could > also be a replica. > Hank > > --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: > > > From: hank pronk > > Subject: > > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 12:24:44 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 11:24:44 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Message-ID: Cool. Let me know what you find James. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 11:19 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: I just googled it a bit and it seems to be the Pisces III, the one where the 2 guys got rescued. Looks like its in Weymouth. Surprised I didn't know that already as I am quite often knocking about in Weymouth with nothing to do, waiting for the ferry to Guernsey. If it is there, I will go and see it next time I am waiting for my ferry. Its sinking\rescue fame will probably push the price up. James On 8 January 2015 at 16:57, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That's awesome. Any more info on it? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 6:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, This is the Pisces I inquired about. The sub is in the UK on display at a marine park. Make them an offer they can't refuse. I guess it could also be a replica. Hank --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:57 AM > > > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 12:50:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:50:57 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well, I wont be there for a while yet. Depends when I go to UK next with my car, but when I do, I will go and see it. I'll be there sometime this year for sure. On 8 January 2015 at 17:24, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Cool. Let me know what you find James. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/08/2015 11:19 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: > > I just googled it a bit and it seems to be the Pisces III, the one where > the 2 guys got rescued. Looks like its in Weymouth. Surprised I didn't > know that already as I am quite often knocking about in Weymouth with > nothing to do, waiting for the ferry to Guernsey. If it is there, I will > go and see it next time I am waiting for my ferry. Its sinking\rescue fame > will probably push the price up. > James > > On 8 January 2015 at 16:57, swaters at waters-ks.com via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> That's awesome. Any more info on it? >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> Date:01/08/2015 6:02 AM (GMT-06:00) >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: >> >> Scott, >> This is the Pisces I inquired about. The sub is in the UK on display >> at a marine park. Make them an offer they can't refuse. I guess it could >> also be a replica. >> Hank >> >> --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: >> >> > From: hank pronk >> > Subject: >> > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" >> > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:57 AM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 14:16:25 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:16:25 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420744585.14529.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, No word yet, but you best bust out the big cheque book ,lol. :-)-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/8/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 11:57 AM That's awesome. Any more info on it?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 6:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, This is the Pisces I? inquired? about.? The sub is in the UK on display at a marine park.? Make them an offer they can't refuse.? I guess it could also be a replica. Hank --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:57 AM > > > > ? ?? ? > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 14:34:30 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:34:30 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420745670.50575.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, If you google Weymouth Sea life Park, you can get all there contact info. If it were me, I would call them, their phone number is on the site. Hank------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/8/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 11:57 AM That's awesome. Any more info on it?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 6:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, This is the Pisces I? inquired? about.? The sub is in the UK on display at a marine park.? Make them an offer they can't refuse.? I guess it could also be a replica. Hank --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:57 AM > > > > ? ?? ? > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 15:13:27 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 20:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: <006e01d02afd$d02e1d80$708a5880$@telus.net> References: <006e01d02afd$d02e1d80$708a5880$@telus.net> Message-ID: <381403885.3961635.1420748007921.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100208.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott,you made a K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub builder.I would encourage you to build, as you will increase yourknowledge & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows where?it will go from there.Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub #yiv6214402326 #yiv6214402326 -- _filtered #yiv6214402326 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6214402326 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv6214402326 #yiv6214402326 p.yiv6214402326MsoNormal, #yiv6214402326 li.yiv6214402326MsoNormal, #yiv6214402326 div.yiv6214402326MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv6214402326 a:link, #yiv6214402326 span.yiv6214402326MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6214402326 a:visited, #yiv6214402326 span.yiv6214402326MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6214402326 span.yiv6214402326EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv6214402326 .yiv6214402326MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv6214402326 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv6214402326 div.yiv6214402326WordSection1 {}#yiv6214402326 Scott, ?If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line?? Pricey? ?Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub ?Hank,The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters.?1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth.Thanks,Scott Waters ? ?Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong.? I don't know what your planning? with a 1,000m capable sub.? I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue.? Are you planning on two subs maybe?? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea.? What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability.? I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/07/2015? 12:23 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand.? Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub.? When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 15:16:41 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:16:41 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Message-ID: Thanks Hank -Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 1:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, If you google Weymouth Sea life Park, you can get all there contact info. If it were me, I would call them, their phone number is on the site. Hank------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/8/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 11:57 AM That's awesome. Any more info on it?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 6:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, This is the Pisces I inquired about. The sub is in the UK on display at a marine park. Make them an offer they can't refuse. I guess it could also be a replica. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 15:56:13 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:56:13 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the way! Thanks again!, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, you made a K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub builder. I would encourage you to build, as you will increase your knowledge & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows where it will go from there. Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters. 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 18:01:32 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 18:01:32 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D1F9AE2DFF6C77-2A28-C6DB5@webmail-vm031.sysops.aol.com> You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who wouldn't be? And speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting 5' spheres with a free flooding sail and a few small cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the back sphere? It might need some foam to float, but that isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for psubs, right? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the way! Thanks again!, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, you made a K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub builder. I would encourage you to build, as you will increase your knowledge & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows where it will go from there. Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters. 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 18:10:10 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 17:10:10 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: Cool. Thanks Vance. Yea, where I am stuck currently is the pressure calcs on 516 gr 70. My question was how thick of 516 gr 70 for a 60" sphere would it have to be to handle 3300 feet (2000 psi for safety margin. My second question is how positivly or negatively boyant would that be. I can reaily get hemispherical heads of 516 gr 70. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 5:01 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who wouldn't be? And speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting 5' spheres with a free flooding sail and a few small cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the back sphere? It might need some foam to float, but that isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for psubs, right? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the way! Thanks again!, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, you made a K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub builder. I would encourage you to build, as you will increase your knowledge & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows where it will go from there. Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters. 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 18:12:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 15:12:48 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: <8D1F9AE2DFF6C77-2A28-C6DB5@webmail-vm031.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1420758768.14898.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, You could do just what Vance says and down the road if you like you could swap out the hull with a HY-100 hull. This way you get more experience and have the ability to upgrade. That is funny really, upgrade from 2,700 feet to what? :-) Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/8/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:01 PM You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who wouldn't be? And speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting 5' spheres ?with a free flooding sail and a few small cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the back sphere? It might need some foam to?float, but that isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for psubs, right? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the way! Thanks again!, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, you made a K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub builder. I would encourage you to build, as you will increase your knowledge & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows where? it will go from there. Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub #yiv8448773638 #yiv8448773638AOLMsgPart_2_259e006c-678b-47c8-9977-0e78a984083d td{color:black;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody p.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody li.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody div.yiv8448773638MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:link, #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:visited, #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody span.yiv8448773638EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody .yiv8448773638MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody div.yiv8448773638WordSection1 {}#yiv8448773638 Scott, ? If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line?? Pricey? ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub ? Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters.? 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong.? I don't know what your planning? with a 1,000m capable sub.? I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue.? Are you planning on two subs maybe?? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea.? What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability.? I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/07/2015? 12:23 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand.? Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub.? When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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This way you get more experience and have the ability to upgrade. That is funny really, upgrade from 2,700 feet to what? :-) >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Thu, 1/8/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:01 PM > > You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, > I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. > Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you > that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. > Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite > of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who > wouldn't be? > > > > > And > speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? > I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and > did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting > 5' spheres ?with a free flooding sail and a few small > cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry > style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either > side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the > back sphere? It might need some foam to?float, but that > isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. > > > > > > Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are > A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run > some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. > Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for > psubs, right? > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my > hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others > untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the > way! > > Thanks again!, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > Scott, > > you made a > K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub > builder. > > I would > encourage you to build, as you will increase > your > > knowledge > & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows > where? > > it > will go from there. > > Alan > > > > > > > From: T Novak via > Personal_Submersibles > > To: > 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > > > Sent: > Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > #yiv8448773638 > #yiv8448773638AOLMsgPart_2_259e006c-678b-47c8-9977-0e78a984083d > td{color:black;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered > {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > p.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody li.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, > #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > div.yiv8448773638MsoNormal > {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:link, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlink > {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:visited, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638EmailStyle17 > {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > .yiv8448773638MsoChpDefault > {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered {margin:72.0pt > 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody div.yiv8448773638WordSection1 > {}#yiv8448773638 > > > Scott, > > ? > > If you are okay with purchasing a > 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your > thoughts on the Triton line?? Pricey? > > ? > > Tim > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > From: > Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: > January-07-15 12:07 PM > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > ? > > > Hank, > > > > The records I have of > Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 > meters.? > > > > 1000 feet isn't > enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, > but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, > but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and > enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms > and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe > as it can be at that depth. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott Waters > > > > ? > > > > ? > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's > new sub > > > Scott, > I thought Vance said > they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong.? I don't > know what your planning? with a 1,000m capable sub.? I > can't imagine diving that deep with no means of > rescue.? Are you planning on two subs maybe?? Don't > get me wrong, I love the idea.? What about copying one in > 516-70 and live with the depth capability.? I would imagine > you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and > affordable Psub. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: > "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 > PM > > I would > love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am > having a > terrible time getting that > material. I'd love to go on a > deep dive > with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New > York this April for some deep diving. Might be > also going to > lake Michigan this year > too.Thanks,Scott Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? > Smartphone > > -------- > Original message -------- > From: hank pronk > via Personal_Submersibles? > Date:01/07/2015? 12:23 PM? (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new > sub > > Hi Scott, > Maybe you could save some money and time if you > just copy a > pices sub. Check with the folks > at Nuytco, maybe you can > crawl around the > sub with caliper in hand.? Perhaps you > could even look at the drawings, I am sure they > are with the > sub.? When your done measuring > the sub, swing by and we > can go for a spin > in a deep lake. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > -----Inline > Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 18:47:16 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 17:47:16 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: <3yap1umy2rr2c4n6t94sq7hb.1420760836324@email.android.com> There may actually be some viability to a 516 gr 70 sphere that is 60" diameter and reach a depth of 1000 meters then. Thank you for the prelim calc! Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 5:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub A 60in sphere .75in thick weighs 3391lbs it displaces 7030 lbs leaves you with 3640 bouyancy Hanh ------------------------------ On Thu, 8 Jan, 2015 6:12 PM EST hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Scott, >You could do just what Vance says and down the road if you like you could swap out the hull with a HY-100 hull. This way you get more experience and have the ability to upgrade. That is funny really, upgrade from 2,700 feet to what? :-) >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Thu, 1/8/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:01 PM > > You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, > I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. > Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you > that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. > Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite > of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who > wouldn't be? > > > > > And > speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? > I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and > did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting > 5' spheres with a free flooding sail and a few small > cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry > style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either > side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the > back sphere? It might need some foam to float, but that > isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. > > > > > > Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are > A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run > some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. > Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for > psubs, right? > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my > hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others > untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the > way! > > Thanks again!, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > Scott, > > you made a > K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub > builder. > > I would > encourage you to build, as you will increase > your > > knowledge > & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows > where > > it > will go from there. > > Alan > > > > > > > From: T Novak via > Personal_Submersibles > > To: > 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > > > Sent: > Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > #yiv8448773638 > #yiv8448773638AOLMsgPart_2_259e006c-678b-47c8-9977-0e78a984083d > td{color:black;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered > {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > p.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody li.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, > #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > div.yiv8448773638MsoNormal > {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:link, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlink > {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:visited, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638EmailStyle17 > {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > .yiv8448773638MsoChpDefault > {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered {margin:72.0pt > 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody div.yiv8448773638WordSection1 > {}#yiv8448773638 > > > Scott, > > > > If you are okay with purchasing a > 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your > thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: > January-07-15 12:07 PM > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > Hank, > > > > The records I have of > Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 > meters. > > > > 1000 feet isn't > enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, > but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, > but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and > enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms > and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe > as it can be at that depth. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's > new sub > > > Scott, > I thought Vance said > they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't > know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I > can't imagine diving that deep with no means of > rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't > get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in > 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine > you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and > affordable Psub. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: > "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 > PM > > I would > love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am > having a > terrible time getting that > material. I'd love to go on a > deep dive > with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New > York this April for some deep diving. Might be > also going to > lake Michigan this year > too.Thanks,Scott Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? > Smartphone > > -------- > Original message -------- > From: hank pronk > via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new > sub > > Hi Scott, > Maybe you could save some money and time if you > just copy a > pices sub. Check with the folks > at Nuytco, maybe you can > crawl around the > sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you > could even look at the drawings, I am sure they > are with the > sub. When your done measuring > the sub, swing by and we > can go for a spin > in a deep lake. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > -----Inline > Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My second question is how positivly or negatively boyant would that be. I can reaily get hemispherical heads of 516 gr 70.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 5:01 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who wouldn't be? And speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting 5' spheres ?with a free flooding sail and a few small cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the back sphere? It might need some foam to?float, but that isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for psubs, right? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the way!Thanks again!,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott,you made a K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub builder.I would encourage you to build, as you will increase yourknowledge & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows where?it will go from there.Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub #yiv2416961014 #yiv2416961014AOLMsgPart_2_259e006c-678b-47c8-9977-0e78a984083d td{color:black;}#yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody p.yiv2416961014MsoNormal, #yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody li.yiv2416961014MsoNormal, #yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody div.yiv2416961014MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody a:link, #yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody span.yiv2416961014MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody a:visited, #yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody span.yiv2416961014MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody span.yiv2416961014EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody .yiv2416961014MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody filtered {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv2416961014 .yiv2416961014aolReplacedBody div.yiv2416961014WordSection1 {}#yiv2416961014 Scott, ?If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line?? Pricey? ?Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub ?Hank,The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters.?1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth.Thanks,Scott Waters ? ?Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong.? I don't know what your planning? with a 1,000m capable sub.? I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue.? Are you planning on two subs maybe?? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea.? What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability.? I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/07/2015? 12:23 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 19:46:52 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 16:46:52 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: <20150108164652.2C0EFDF9@m0005309.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 19:56:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:56:33 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: Hank, I take it a 1" thick 60" diameter sphere weighs 4521 lbs leaving 2509 lbs of positive boyancy.? A 1.25" thick 60" diameter sphere weighs 5650lbs leaving 1380 lbs of positive boyancy.?Are my calcs correct? Anyone know how much pressure these can withstand? My thought is 3300 feet is 1470psi. With a higher than 1.25 safety factor I should aim for 2,000 psi or more. Right? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 5:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub A 60in sphere .75in thick weighs 3391lbs it displaces 7030 lbs leaves you with 3640 bouyancy Hanh ------------------------------ On Thu, 8 Jan, 2015 6:12 PM EST hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Scott, >You could do just what Vance says and down the road if you like you could swap out the hull with a HY-100 hull. This way you get more experience and have the ability to upgrade. That is funny really, upgrade from 2,700 feet to what? :-) >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Thu, 1/8/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:01 PM > > You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, > I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. > Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you > that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. > Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite > of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who > wouldn't be? > > > > > And > speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? > I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and > did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting > 5' spheres with a free flooding sail and a few small > cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry > style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either > side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the > back sphere? It might need some foam to float, but that > isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. > > > > > > Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are > A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run > some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. > Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for > psubs, right? > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my > hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others > untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the > way! > > Thanks again!, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > Scott, > > you made a > K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub > builder. > > I would > encourage you to build, as you will increase > your > > knowledge > & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows > where > > it > will go from there. > > Alan > > > > > > > From: T Novak via > Personal_Submersibles > > To: > 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > > > Sent: > Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > #yiv8448773638 > #yiv8448773638AOLMsgPart_2_259e006c-678b-47c8-9977-0e78a984083d > td{color:black;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered > {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > p.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody li.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, > #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > div.yiv8448773638MsoNormal > {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:link, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlink > {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:visited, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638EmailStyle17 > {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > .yiv8448773638MsoChpDefault > {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered {margin:72.0pt > 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody div.yiv8448773638WordSection1 > {}#yiv8448773638 > > > Scott, > > > > If you are okay with purchasing a > 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your > thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: > January-07-15 12:07 PM > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > Hank, > > > > The records I have of > Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 > meters. > > > > 1000 feet isn't > enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, > but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, > but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and > enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms > and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe > as it can be at that depth. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's > new sub > > > Scott, > I thought Vance said > they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't > know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I > can't imagine diving that deep with no means of > rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't > get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in > 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine > you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and > affordable Psub. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: > "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 > PM > > I would > love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am > having a > terrible time getting that > material. I'd love to go on a > deep dive > with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New > York this April for some deep diving. Might be > also going to > lake Michigan this year > too.Thanks,Scott Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? > Smartphone > > -------- > Original message -------- > From: hank pronk > via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new > sub > > Hi Scott, > Maybe you could save some money and time if you > just copy a > pices sub. Check with the folks > at Nuytco, maybe you can > crawl around the > sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you > could even look at the drawings, I am sure they > are with the > sub. When your done measuring > the sub, swing by and we > can go for a spin > in a deep lake. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > -----Inline > Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 20:00:31 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:00:31 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: Alan, Thank you very much. I think I can convence Katy to go to Honduras for some scuba diving and submarine diving. Haha. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 6:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, my program gives me a 5682 ft crush depth for a 1" thick 60" I.D. sphere of 516 gr 70, & a positive buoyancy of 1,370 lb. If you were thinking along that line it might be worthwhile visiting Karl. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Cool. Thanks Vance. Yea, where I am stuck currently is the pressure calcs on 516 gr 70. My question was how thick of 516 gr 70 for a 60" sphere would it have to be to handle 3300 feet (2000 psi for safety margin. My second question is how positivly or negatively boyant would that be. I can reaily get hemispherical heads of 516 gr 70. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 5:01 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who wouldn't be? And speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting 5' spheres with a free flooding sail and a few small cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the back sphere? It might need some foam to float, but that isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for psubs, right? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the way! Thanks again!, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, you made a K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub builder. I would encourage you to build, as you will increase your knowledge & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows where it will go from there. Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters. 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 20:00:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:00:57 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420765257.94802.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, That is what I get, remember to take the outside measurement of a hull to calculate buoyancy. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/8/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 7:56 PM Hank,I take it a 1" thick 60" diameter sphere weighs 4521 lbs leaving 2509 lbs of positive boyancy.?A 1.25" thick 60" diameter sphere weighs 5650lbs leaving 1380 lbs of positive boyancy.?Are my calcs correct? Anyone know how much pressure these can withstand? My thought is 3300 feet is 1470psi. With a higher than 1.25 safety factor I should aim for 2,000 psi or more. Right? Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 5:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub A 60in sphere .75in thick weighs 3391lbs it displaces 7030 lbs leaves you with 3640 bouyancy Hanh ------------------------------ On Thu, 8 Jan, 2015 6:12 PM EST hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Scott, >You could do just what Vance says and down the road if you like you could swap out the hull with a HY-100 hull.? This way you get more experience and have the ability to upgrade.? That is funny really, upgrade from 2,700 feet to what? :-) >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Thu, 1/8/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:01 PM > > You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, > I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. > Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you > that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. > Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite > of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who > wouldn't be? > > > > > And > speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? > I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and > did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting > 5' spheres ?with a free flooding sail and a few small > cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry > style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either > side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the > back sphere? It might need some foam to?float, but that > isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. > > > > > > Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are > A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run > some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. > Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for > psubs, right? > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my > hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others > untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the > way! > > Thanks again!, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles? > > Date:01/08/2015? 2:13 PM? (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > Scott, > > you made a > K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub > builder. > > I would > encourage you to build, as you will increase > your > > knowledge > & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows > where? > > it > will go from there. > > Alan > > >?? >? >? >?? >? From: T Novak via > Personal_Submersibles > >? To: > 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > > >? Sent: > Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM > >? 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Pricey? > >? ? > > Tim > >? ? > > > > > > > > > > > From: > Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: > January-07-15 12:07 PM > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > >? ? > > > Hank, > > > > The records I have of > Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 > meters.? > > > > 1000 feet isn't > enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, > but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, > but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and > enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms > and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe > as it can be at that depth. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott Waters > > > >? ? > > > >? ? > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's > new sub > > > Scott, > I thought Vance said > they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong.? I don't > know what your planning? with a 1,000m capable sub.? I > can't imagine diving that deep with no means of > rescue.? Are you planning on two subs maybe?? Don't > get me wrong, I love the idea.? What about copying one in > 516-70 and live with the depth capability.? I would imagine > you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and > affordable Psub. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: > "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 > PM > > I would > love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am > having a > terrible time getting that > material. I'd love to go on a > deep dive > with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New > York this April for some deep diving. Might be > also going to > lake Michigan this year > too.Thanks,Scott Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? > Smartphone > > -------- > Original message -------- > From: hank pronk > via Personal_Submersibles? > Date:01/07/2015? 12:23 PM? (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new > sub > > Hi Scott, > Maybe you could save some money and time if you > just copy a > pices sub. Check with the folks > at Nuytco, maybe you can > crawl around the > sub with caliper in hand.? Perhaps you > could even look at the drawings, I am sure they > are with the > sub.? When your done measuring > the sub, swing by and we > can go for a spin > in a deep lake. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > -----Inline > Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > >? >? >?? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >? > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 20:02:11 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:02:11 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: <20150108164652.2C0EFDF9@m0005309.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1420765331.67553.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Brian, How round did you sphere turn out. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/8/15, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 7:46 PM Scott,?? These guys did my 60" hemispheres,?3/8"?nominal thickness, A516 -70,? it started out at 5/8" before they formed it.??http://www.uniformcomponents.com/?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 17:10:10 -0600 Cool. Thanks Vance. Yea, where I am stuck currently is the pressure calcs on 516 gr 70. My question was how thick of 516 gr 70 for a 60" sphere would it have to be to handle 3300 feet (2000 psi for safety margin. My second question is how positivly or negatively boyant would that be. I can reaily get hemispherical heads of 516 gr 70.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 5:01 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who wouldn't be? And speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting 5' spheres ?with a free flooding sail and a few small cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the back sphere? It might need some foam to?float, but that isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for psubs, right? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the way! Thanks again!, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, you made a K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub builder. I would encourage you to build, as you will increase your knowledge & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows where? it will go from there. Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, ? If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line?? Pricey? ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub ? Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters.? 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong.? I don't know what your planning? with a 1,000m capable sub.? I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue.? Are you planning on two subs maybe?? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea.? What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability.? I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/07/2015? 12:23 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand.? Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub.? When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 20:32:41 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 20:32:41 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: <1420759425.39052.BPMail_high_carrier@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420759425.39052.BPMail_high_carrier@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8D1F9C34B9475C8-2DBC-B131A@webmail-m266.sysops.aol.com> Hank, 7030# displacement??? How did you do that calculation? I show a lot less. Vance -----Original Message----- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub A 60in sphere .75in thick weighs 3391lbs it displaces 7030 lbs leaves you with 3640 bouyancy Hanh ------------------------------ On Thu, 8 Jan, 2015 6:12 PM EST hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Scott, >You could do just what Vance says and down the road if you like you could swap out the hull with a HY-100 hull. This way you get more experience and have the ability to upgrade. That is funny really, upgrade from 2,700 feet to what? :-) >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Thu, 1/8/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:01 PM > > You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, > I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. > Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you > that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. > Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite > of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who > wouldn't be? > > > > > And > speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? > I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and > did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting > 5' spheres with a free flooding sail and a few small > cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry > style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either > side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the > back sphere? It might need some foam to float, but that > isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. > > > > > > Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are > A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run > some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. > Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for > psubs, right? > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my > hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others > untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the > way! > > Thanks again!, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > Scott, > > you made a > K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub > builder. > > I would > encourage you to build, as you will increase > your > > knowledge > & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows > where > > it > will go from there. > > Alan > > > > > > > From: T Novak via > Personal_Submersibles > > To: > 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > > > Sent: > Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > #yiv8448773638 > #yiv8448773638AOLMsgPart_2_259e006c-678b-47c8-9977-0e78a984083d > td{color:black;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered > {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > p.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody li.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, > #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > div.yiv8448773638MsoNormal > {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:link, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlink > {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:visited, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638EmailStyle17 > {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > .yiv8448773638MsoChpDefault > {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered {margin:72.0pt > 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody div.yiv8448773638WordSection1 > {}#yiv8448773638 > > > Scott, > > > > If you are okay with purchasing a > 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your > thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: > January-07-15 12:07 PM > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > Hank, > > > > The records I have of > Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 > meters. > > > > 1000 feet isn't > enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, > but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, > but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and > enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms > and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe > as it can be at that depth. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's > new sub > > > Scott, > I thought Vance said > they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't > know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I > can't imagine diving that deep with no means of > rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't > get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in > 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine > you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and > affordable Psub. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: > "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 > PM > > I would > love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am > having a > terrible time getting that > material. I'd love to go on a > deep dive > with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New > York this April for some deep diving. Might be > also going to > lake Michigan this year > too.Thanks,Scott Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? > Smartphone > > -------- > Original message -------- > From: hank pronk > via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new > sub > > Hi Scott, > Maybe you could save some money and time if you > just copy a > pices sub. Check with the folks > at Nuytco, maybe you can > crawl around the > sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you > could even look at the drawings, I am sure they > are with the > sub. When your done measuring > the sub, swing by and we > can go for a spin > in a deep lake. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > -----Inline > Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Vance -----Original Message----- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub A 60in sphere .75in thick weighs 3391lbs it displaces 7030 lbs leaves you with 3640 bouyancy Hanh ------------------------------ On Thu, 8 Jan, 2015 6:12 PM EST hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Scott, >You could do just what Vance says and down the road if you like you could swap out the hull with a HY-100 hull. This way you get more experience and have the ability to upgrade. That is funny really, upgrade from 2,700 feet to what? :-) >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Thu, 1/8/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 6:01 PM > > You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, > I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. > Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you > that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. > Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite > of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who > wouldn't be? > > > > > And > speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? > I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and > did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting > 5' spheres ?with a free flooding sail and a few small > cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry > style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either > side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the > back sphere? It might need some foam to?float, but that > isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. > > > > > > Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are > A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run > some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. > Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for > psubs, right? > > > > > Vance > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my > hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others > untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the > way! > > Thanks again!, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > Scott, > > you made a > K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub > builder. > > I would > encourage you to build, as you will increase > your > > knowledge > & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows > where? > > it > will go from there. > > Alan > > > > > > > From: T Novak via > Personal_Submersibles > > To: > 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > > > Sent: > Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > > > > #yiv8448773638 > #yiv8448773638AOLMsgPart_2_259e006c-678b-47c8-9977-0e78a984083d > td{color:black;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered > {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 > 4;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > p.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody li.yiv8448773638MsoNormal, > #yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > div.yiv8448773638MsoNormal > {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:link, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlink > {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody a:visited, #yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > span.yiv8448773638EmailStyle17 > {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8448773638 .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody > .yiv8448773638MsoChpDefault > {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody filtered {margin:72.0pt > 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8448773638 > .yiv8448773638aolReplacedBody div.yiv8448773638WordSection1 > {}#yiv8448773638 > > > Scott, > > ? > > If you are okay with purchasing a > 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your > thoughts on the Triton line?? Pricey? > > ? > > Tim > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > From: > Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: > January-07-15 12:07 PM > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > > > > ? > > > Hank, > > > > The records I have of > Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 > meters.? > > > > 1000 feet isn't > enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, > but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, > but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and > enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms > and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe > as it can be at that depth. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott Waters > > > > ? > > > > ? > > > > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's > new sub > > > Scott, > I thought Vance said > they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong.? I don't > know what your planning? with a 1,000m capable sub.? I > can't imagine diving that deep with no means of > rescue.? Are you planning on two subs maybe?? Don't > get me wrong, I love the idea.? What about copying one in > 516-70 and live with the depth capability.? I would imagine > you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and > affordable Psub. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub > To: > "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 > PM > > I would > love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am > having a > terrible time getting that > material. I'd love to go on a > deep dive > with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New > York this April for some deep diving. Might be > also going to > lake Michigan this year > too.Thanks,Scott Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? > Smartphone > > -------- > Original message -------- > From: hank pronk > via Personal_Submersibles? > Date:01/07/2015? 12:23 PM? (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new > sub > > Hi Scott, > Maybe you could save some money and time if you > just copy a > pices sub. Check with the folks > at Nuytco, maybe you can > crawl around the > sub with caliper in hand.? Perhaps you > could even look at the drawings, I am sure they > are with the > sub.? When your done measuring > the sub, swing by and we > can go for a spin > in a deep lake. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > -----Inline > Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 20:47:19 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:47:19 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: <8D1F9C34B9475C8-2DBC-B131A@webmail-m266.sysops.aol.com> References: <1420759425.39052.BPMail_high_carrier@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8D1F9C34B9475C8-2DBC-B131A@webmail-m266.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <54AF3327.1040707@telus.net> I ran the figures through my software (see new posts). Looks like material choice makes a big difference. Sean On 2015-01-08 18:32, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hank, > > 7030# displacement??? How did you do that calculation? I show a lot less. > > Vance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 20:53:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:53:03 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: <1420767810.58487.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420767810.58487.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54AF347F.2090605@telus.net> On 2015-01-08 18:43, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Vance 4/3 pi R cubed is 1.33 X 3.14 X 46656 = 194844.78 cubic inches divide by 277 = 703.41 imp gal at 10 lbs per gal = 7030lbs > Hank-------------------------------------------- > Hank, you used a 36" radius, or a 72" sphere. Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 20:55:19 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:55:19 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: HY-100 Steel, 60" sphere, 1" wall Message-ID: Thanks Sean!!!, I am going to have to get to a full screen computer instead of my phone when I return from my business trip so I can work on understanding the data. I truely appriciate it! Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/08/2015 7:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: HY-100 Steel, 60" sphere, 1" wall null -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sean _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 20:56:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:56:26 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Message-ID: <1420768586.48793.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I found HY-100 supplier with 1 ton min order Hank --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 8:54 PM > > > > ? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 8:35 pm Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: A516 Grade 70, 60" sphere, 1" wall _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bdadaefg.png Type: image/png Size: 91404 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 21:04:18 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:04:18 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54AF3722.50805@telus.net> On 2015-01-08 16:10, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Cool. Thanks Vance. Yea, where I am stuck currently is the pressure > calcs on 516 gr 70. My question was how thick of 516 gr 70 for a 60" > sphere would it have to be to handle 3300 feet (2000 psi for safety > margin. My second question is how positivly or negatively boyant would > that be. I can reaily get hemispherical heads of 516 gr 70. > Thanks, > Scott Waters Scott, rounding your desired working depth to 1000 m, here are the results as per the ABS minimum requirements. Additional safety factor is up to you: ASTM A516 Grade 70: HY-100: Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bjdjfehg.png Type: image/png Size: 118414 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-08-15 12:56 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Tim, I got to climb in the Triton 3000 when it was in Auckland. It had a $3million price tag. Alan Sent from my iPad On 8/01/2015, at 5:44 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Scott, If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters. 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 10:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line? Pricey? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters. 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong. I don't know what your planning with a 1,000m capable sub. I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue. Are you planning on two subs maybe? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea. What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability. I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand. Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub. When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 21:11:36 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 20:11:36 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Message-ID: Hank I have two concerns about the HY-100.? 1) Cost. Dan has told me in the past HY-100 or HY-80 is 3 time the price per pound than 516 gr 70. Not sure dollar wise what that will be 2) Welding process. Dan told me that this is very difficult to weld. You have to put it in a kiln to pre heat and weld inside it at 500 degrees. After that he said it still cracks and you have to gouge and reweld no matter how good a welder you are and you have to reweld it.? There is obviously alot of research I have to do to understand it first.? What is the supplier Hank? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 7:56 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, I found HY-100 supplier with 1 ton min order Hank --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 8:54 PM > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 21:16:18 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 18:16:18 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420769778.62360.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I think you should build from 516-70 for those very reasons. I just wanted to find some because you said you were having trouble finding it. Make it thicker with 516-70 then add buoyancy sphere's to compensate. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/8/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 9:11 PM Hank I have two concerns about the HY-100.?1) Cost. Dan has told me in the past HY-100 or HY-80 is 3 time the price per pound than 516 gr 70. Not sure dollar wise what that will be2) Welding process. Dan told me that this is very difficult to weld. You have to put it in a kiln to pre heat and weld inside it at 500 degrees. After that he said it still cracks and you have to gouge and reweld no matter how good a welder you are and you have to reweld it.? There is obviously alot of research I have to do to understand it first.? What is the supplier Hank? Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 7:56 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, I found HY-100 supplier with 1 ton min order Hank --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 8:54 PM > > > > ? ?? ? > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 21:24:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 20:24:57 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Message-ID: <400qggc5hsr5um270w7cgjas.1420770297616@email.android.com> Cool. Will do Hank. I still want to learn about HY-80 and HY-100. Who knows, maybe for submarine #3. Haha Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 8:16 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, I think you should build from 516-70 for those very reasons. I just wanted to find some because you said you were having trouble finding it. Make it thicker with 516-70 then add buoyancy sphere's to compensate. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/8/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 9:11 PM Hank I have two concerns about the HY-100. 1) Cost. Dan has told me in the past HY-100 or HY-80 is 3 time the price per pound than 516 gr 70. Not sure dollar wise what that will be2) Welding process. Dan told me that this is very difficult to weld. You have to put it in a kiln to pre heat and weld inside it at 500 degrees. After that he said it still cracks and you have to gouge and reweld no matter how good a welder you are and you have to reweld it. There is obviously alot of research I have to do to understand it first. What is the supplier Hank? Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 7:56 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Scott, I found HY-100 supplier with 1 ton min order Hank --- On Thu, 1/8/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: > To: "hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca" > Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 8:54 PM > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 21:28:16 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:28:16 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <8D1F9C741BF8908-2DBC-B13E2@webmail-m266.sysops.aol.com> References: <54AF3065.7030102@telus.net> <8D1F9C741BF8908-2DBC-B13E2@webmail-m266.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <54AF3CC0.5040404@telus.net> On 2015-01-08 19:01, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > That's what I got. Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. It's > going to take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, but it > looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces about a > thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 footers. Pretty close, and > might be marginally less expensive. What would a 39" radius do for > depth in the thicknesses you have already given? > Vance As requested: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddbdifba.png Type: image/png Size: 91543 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddceahih.png Type: image/png Size: 81198 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bjcecedj.png Type: image/png Size: 91841 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The sphere limit is 15.0391 MPa. Correct? Sorry, student learning in process. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/08/2015 8:04 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub On 2015-01-08 16:10, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cool. Thanks Vance. Yea, where I am stuck currently is the pressure calcs on 516 gr 70. My question was how thick of 516 gr 70 for a 60" sphere would it have to be to handle 3300 feet (2000 psi for safety margin. My second question is how positivly or negatively boyant would that be. I can reaily get hemispherical heads of 516 gr 70. Thanks, Scott Waters Scott, rounding your desired working depth to 1000 m, here are the results as per the ABS minimum requirements. 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That suggests Leo must have been an inch thick or maybe the classic thickness hull for a Pisces, which was 1.1". The extra 5-6 mm would probably have supplied sufficient strength for 600 meters service. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 9:28 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-08 19:01, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That's what I got. Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. It's going to take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, but it looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces about a thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 footers. Pretty close, and might be marginally less expensive. What would a 39" radius do for depth in the thicknesses you have already given? Vance As requested: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: Sean _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddbdifba.png Type: image/png Size: 91543 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddceahih.png Type: image/png Size: 81198 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bjcecedj.png Type: image/png Size: 91841 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cahcdbgg.png Type: image/png Size: 96963 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 22:52:49 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 20:52:49 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: <3o1gwqkoth87eef5u1005ep6.1420772954470@email.android.com> References: <3o1gwqkoth87eef5u1005ep6.1420772954470@email.android.com> Message-ID: <54AF5091.3000904@telus.net> On 2015-01-08 20:09, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I am really new to the engineering side of all this, but am working on it. I have some questions about the calc. > > *It shows material weight is 16351.9 n. Which I show a newton is .224lbs making material weight 3662lbs. Is that right? > > *Displacement is 1899.67kg which I show a kg is .453 lbs making displacement 860.55lbs which seams wrong to me? > > *Boyancy is 2277.43 n which means 510 lbs? Does that mean it is positive 510 lbs boyancy with no payload and no additional weights? > > *at 1000m the pressure is 10.0518 MPa and max working pressure per ABS is 10.0762 MPa meaning it meets requirements. The sphere limit is 15.0391 MPa. Correct? > > Sorry, student learning in process. > Thanks, > Scott Waters Scott, my solver works in an iterative process, increasing shell thickness by a very small amount in each iteration. Consequently, there will be minor (but negligible) differences between the stop condition, which is the pressure at the desired working depth, and the maximum allowable working pressure at the final shell thickness, which is a multiple of the increment. In any case, the sphere limit pressure (~15 MPa in this example) is the theoretical "crush", or instability pressure, and the maximum allowable working pressure is this pressure multiplied by the usage factor, eta, which is prescribed by ABS to be 0.67 for spherical shells. This is the minimum value, and you of course can (and should) increase the factor of safety over and above this value. As regards unit conversions: 1 Newton = 1 kg*m/s^2 = 0.22480894 pounds-force 1 kilogram = 2.20462262 pounds-mass As regards terminology in my software: "displacement volume" = volume of seawater displaced by closed sphere "material volume" = volume of steel in hull shell "material mass" = mass of steel in hull shell "material weight" = force due to gravity acting on steel in hull shell "mass of displaced seawater" = mass of seawater displaced by closed sphere "buoyant force" = gross buoyant force due to displaced seawater "net buoyancy" = buoyant force minus material weight (net force acting on closed sphere) "payload capacity" = net buoyancy divided by gravitational acceleration = adding this mass inside the sphere will drop buoyancy to zero. Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 22:59:31 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 19:59:31 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: <20150108195931.7232BF24@m0005312.ppops.net> Pretty darn good, Where I have a 26" ring inserted at the side of the sphere ( where the two hemispheres meet) it is a good gage of roundness, I can see a slight variation of the depth of the ring relief and it is very minimal. The hemispheres end up having a slight bell shape to them. This the challenge for the fabricators, you need to defiantly specify that roundness is critical and then they work it to get it as close as humanly possible. Once we put the two hemi's together there was some slight coercing that was necessary to make everything true. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:02:11 -0800 Brian, How round did you sphere turn out. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/8/15, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 8, 2015, 7:46 PM Scott,?? These guys did my 60" hemispheres,?3/8"?nominal thickness, A516 -70,? it started out at 5/8" before they formed it.??http://www.uniformcomponents.com/?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 17:10:10 -0600 Cool. Thanks Vance. Yea, where I am stuck currently is the pressure calcs on 516 gr 70. My question was how thick of 516 gr 70 for a 60" sphere would it have to be to handle 3300 feet (2000 psi for safety margin. My second question is how positivly or negatively boyant would that be. I can reaily get hemispherical heads of 516 gr 70.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 5:01 PM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub You'll get plenty of encouragement from us, I would think, along with an appropriate amount of razzing. Don't worry about the nay-sayers. I would remind you that Karl Stanley has been listening to that shit for years. Well, not listening exactly, because he went ahead in spite of them, and looks pretty cheerful about the results. Who wouldn't be? And speaking of Idabel, have you thought about multiple spheres? I talked to Karl in New Orleans a couple of years ago, and did some figuring afterwards. A couple of intersecting 5' spheres ?with a free flooding sail and a few small cameras might get you a 5-tonnish sub. Do the big Perry style viewport in front with maybe some 12-inchers on either side in both hulls? Maybe a dome hatch/conn on top in the back sphere? It might need some foam to?float, but that isn't much of a problem these days. Hmm. Idabel's aft sphere and conning tower are A516GR70, in case you were wondering. You'd have to run some numbers. Maybe .75" wall? I'm not sure. Something to think about, anyway. And small is good for psubs, right? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Thanks Alan!!! That really means alot to me. In my hobby, I don't get alot of encouragement from others untill I am sucsessful. It is nice to have it along the way! Thanks again!, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/08/2015 2:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, you made a K350 in record time & you are relatively young as a sub builder. I would encourage you to build, as you will increase your knowledge & skill base in the process & save money. Who knows where? it will go from there. Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, ? If you are okay with purchasing a 1000m sub rather than building it, then what are your thoughts on the Triton line?? Pricey? ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-07-15 12:07 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub ? Hank, The records I have of Pisces say they are made of HY-100 and capable to 2000 meters.? 1000 feet isn't enough of a challenge for me. My goal is 3,300 feet or more, but may have no choice to shallow it up because of material, but we will see. The plan is to have enough redundancy and enough safety features like jettisonable manipulator arms and even a jettisonable personel sphere that it is as safe as it can be at that depth. Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/07/2015 1:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Scott, I thought Vance said they were 516-70, I must have read it wrong.? I don't know what your planning? with a 1,000m capable sub.? I can't imagine diving that deep with no means of rescue.? Are you planning on two subs maybe?? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea.? What about copying one in 516-70 and live with the depth capability.? I would imagine you could see 1,000 feet plus, a very respectable and affordable Psub. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/7/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 1:44 PM I would love to, except a Pisces is HY-100, which I am having a terrible time getting that material. I'd love to go on a deep dive with you though! I am going to Seneca lake New York this April for some deep diving. Might be also going to lake Michigan this year too.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/07/2015? 12:23 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Hi Scott, Maybe you could save some money and time if you just copy a pices sub. Check with the folks at Nuytco, maybe you can crawl around the sub with caliper in hand.? Perhaps you could even look at the drawings, I am sure they are with the sub.? When your done measuring the sub, swing by and we can go for a spin in a deep lake. 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I appriciate the explinations. -Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/08/2015 9:52 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub On 2015-01-08 20:09, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I am really new to the engineering side of all this, but am working on it. I have some questions about the calc. > > *It shows material weight is 16351.9 n. Which I show a newton is .224lbs making material weight 3662lbs. Is that right? > > *Displacement is 1899.67kg which I show a kg is .453 lbs making displacement 860.55lbs which seams wrong to me? > > *Boyancy is 2277.43 n which means 510 lbs? Does that mean it is positive 510 lbs boyancy with no payload and no additional weights? > > *at 1000m the pressure is 10.0518 MPa and max working pressure per ABS is 10.0762 MPa meaning it meets requirements. The sphere limit is 15.0391 MPa. Correct? > > Sorry, student learning in process. > Thanks, > Scott Waters Scott, my solver works in an iterative process, increasing shell thickness by a very small amount in each iteration. Consequently, there will be minor (but negligible) differences between the stop condition, which is the pressure at the desired working depth, and the maximum allowable working pressure at the final shell thickness, which is a multiple of the increment. In any case, the sphere limit pressure (~15 MPa in this example) is the theoretical "crush", or instability pressure, and the maximum allowable working pressure is this pressure multiplied by the usage factor, eta, which is prescribed by ABS to be 0.67 for spherical shells. This is the minimum value, and you of course can (and should) increase the factor of safety over and above this value. As regards unit conversions: 1 Newton = 1 kg*m/s^2 = 0.22480894 pounds-force 1 kilogram = 2.20462262 pounds-mass As regards terminology in my software: "displacement volume" = volume of seawater displaced by closed sphere "material volume" = volume of steel in hull shell "material mass" = mass of steel in hull shell "material weight" = force due to gravity acting on steel in hull shell "mass of displaced seawater" = mass of seawater displaced by closed sphere "buoyant force" = gross buoyant force due to displaced seawater "net buoyancy" = buoyant force minus material weight (net force acting on closed sphere) "payload capacity" = net buoyancy divided by gravitational acceleration = adding this mass inside the sphere will drop buoyancy to zero. Sean _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 8 23:10:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:10:33 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub In-Reply-To: <20150108195931.7232BF24@m0005312.ppops.net> References: <20150108195931.7232BF24@m0005312.ppops.net> Message-ID: <54AF54B9.3020402@telus.net> Cold spun, hot spun, or pressed? Sean On 2015-01-08 20:59, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Pretty darn good, Where I have a 26" ring inserted at the side of the sphere ( where the two hemispheres meet) it is a good gage of roundness, I can see a slight variation of the depth of the ring relief and it is very minimal. The hemispheres end up having a slight bell shape to them. This the challenge for the fabricators, you need to defiantly specify that roundness is critical and then they work it to get it as close as humanly possible. Once we put the two hemi's together there was some slight coercing that was necessary to make everything true. > > Brian > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 00:06:13 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 21:06:13 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Message-ID: <20150108210613.2C0EF392@m0005309.ppops.net> pressed --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Scott's new sub Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:10:33 -0700 Cold spun, hot spun, or pressed? Sean On 2015-01-08 20:59, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Pretty darn good, Where I have a 26" ring inserted at the side of the sphere ( where the two hemispheres meet) it is a good gage of roundness, I can see a slight variation of the depth of the ring relief and it is very minimal. The hemispheres end up having a slight bell shape to them. This the challenge for the fabricators, you need to defiantly specify that roundness is critical and then they work it to get it as close as humanly possible. Once we put the two hemi's together there was some slight coercing that was necessary to make everything true. > > Brian > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 00:52:45 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 21:52:45 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nazi Gold ! Message-ID: <20150108215245.2C0EF034@m0005309.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 11:21:16 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 10:21:16 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Message-ID: Hank, The way it looks, I think building from scratch unless I get a good deal is the way to go. I might be taking Katy on a surprise vacation to Honduras in just a bit and do a deep dive and a ton of pictures down there. I have sent a quote request for the two 1" thick 60" diameter heads of 516 gr 70.? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/09/2015 9:43 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Scott, The trail went cold on the Pisces sub in the UK. I just spoke with the park people and the sub was on loan and the owners took it back 4 years ago or so. We could press on and find the owner but I suspect if you could but it, it would be quite expensive. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 12:56:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 09:56:24 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420826184.21613.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, Okay sounds good. You probably already know that the figures you were given are calculated on nominal thickness. That means you will need to have segmented heads built to stay at your desired thickness. If you get pressed heads or formed heads they will need to be much thicker to achieve 1in nominal. The thicker material will effect your weight and net buoyancy. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/9/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 11:21 AM Hank,The way it looks, I think building from scratch unless I get a good deal is the way to go. I might be taking Katy on a surprise vacation to Honduras in just a bit and do a deep dive and a ton of pictures down there. I have sent a quote request for the two 1" thick 60" diameter heads of 516 gr 70.?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/09/2015 9:43 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Scott, The trail went cold on the Pisces sub in the UK.? I just spoke with the park people and the sub was on loan and the owners took it back 4 years ago or so.? We could press on and find the owner but I suspect if you could but it, it would be quite expensive.? Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 13:15:42 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 12:15:42 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Message-ID: Great info, thank you. Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/09/2015 11:56 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Scott, Okay sounds good. You probably already know that the figures you were given are calculated on nominal thickness. That means you will need to have segmented heads built to stay at your desired thickness. If you get pressed heads or formed heads they will need to be much thicker to achieve 1in nominal. The thicker material will effect your weight and net buoyancy. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/9/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 11:21 AM Hank,The way it looks, I think building from scratch unless I get a good deal is the way to go. I might be taking Katy on a surprise vacation to Honduras in just a bit and do a deep dive and a ton of pictures down there. I have sent a quote request for the two 1" thick 60" diameter heads of 516 gr 70. Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/09/2015 9:43 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Scott, The trail went cold on the Pisces sub in the UK. I just spoke with the park people and the sub was on loan and the owners took it back 4 years ago or so. We could press on and find the owner but I suspect if you could but it, it would be quite expensive. 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I beleive one of his view ports brokeonce because of an uncalculated flexing or compression of the hull.Wonder if any other Psubbers are interested in heading down that way?Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Hank,The way it looks, I think building from scratch unless I get a good deal is the way to go. I might be taking Katy on a surprise vacation to Honduras in just a bit and do a deep dive and a ton of pictures down there. I have sent a quote request for the two 1" thick 60" diameter heads of 516 gr 70.?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/09/2015 9:43 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Scott, The trail went cold on the Pisces sub in the UK.? I just spoke with the park people and the sub was on loan and the owners took it back 4 years ago or so.? We could press on and find the owner but I suspect if you could but it, it would be quite expensive.? Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 15:44:06 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 20:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nazi Gold ! In-Reply-To: <20150108215245.2C0EF034@m0005309.ppops.net> References: <20150108215245.2C0EF034@m0005309.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1805864100.4274827.1420836246380.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10052.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the heads up on that movie Brian.It is showing in N.Z. on Feb 26.?Hmmm what Woman could I take? It wouldbe the ultimate revenge for all the boring chic flicks I've had tosuffer through.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: PSubs Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 6:52 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nazi Gold ! Nazi gold and submarines !? ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urrve_J9F_g?doesn't get any better than this !?Brian _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 16:37:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 08:37:02 +1100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stainless prop shaft In-Reply-To: <20150108125930.2C017142@m0005297.ppops.net> References: <20150108125930.2C017142@m0005297.ppops.net> Message-ID: Hi Brian, SS304 is the most common grade of stainless for general use, but SS316 is the most common used in marine (and is usually what people mean when they say "marine grade"). That said, the difference in performance is mainly cosmetic for intermittent salt water use (ie. some very light "tea-staining" rust), and I've used various bits of SS304 on my boat and dive gear that are absolutely fine years later, although it all gets fresh water washed after use. For continuous exposure to salt water, or with crevices (ie. your thru hull seals) likely to trap and hold salt water, SS304 is likely to eventually corrode enough that it may eventually wear or cause the seals to develop leaks. I know at least sometimes the prop & propshaft on bigger boats is protected from corrosion with an anode, which wouldn't be very practical on a thru hull. Possibly this explains why the one you have is 304. Another thing I see at work all the time is contamination of any grade of SS pipe with carbon steel dust from grinders, drill shavings, etc. A piece of SS you thought was clean left in the rain will develop nasty rust spots overnight! Important to store your SS away from carbon steel workshop areas and/or cover it. Cheers, Steve On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi All, > I was given a stainless steel prop shaft which is about 1 > 1/2" in diameter, I have cut it up into 2" long pieces so they can be used > as thru hull fittings for some of my rotating shafts that I will be using. > I was always under the impression that the prop shafts were a highly > resistant alloy of stainless and would be good for my application. I > recently was able to have someone do a spectral analysis of the metal and > it showed that the material is 304 stainless. I'm wondering if that will > be good enough to use as a stainless fitting for a thru hull ? > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 18:23:28 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 13:23:28 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stainless prop shaft In-Reply-To: References: <20150108125930.2C017142@m0005297.ppops.net> Message-ID: <54B062F0.8000405@landnseawelding.com> 316-L is about as good as it gets but also reflected in it's price. Also make sure you use a stainless steel wire wheel or hand brush and a grinding disc that says aluminum on it if you need to grind it. You will impregnate the metal with bad stuff if you use a grinding disc for steel.:-( Rick On 1/9/2015 11:37 AM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Brian, > SS304 is the most common grade of stainless for general use, but SS316 > is the most common used in marine (and is usually what people mean > when they say "marine grade"). That said, the difference in > performance is mainly cosmetic for intermittent salt water use (ie. > some very light "tea-staining" rust), and I've used various bits of > SS304 on my boat and dive gear that are absolutely fine years later, > although it all gets fresh water washed after use. > > For continuous exposure to salt water, or with crevices (ie. your thru > hull seals) likely to trap and hold salt water, SS304 is likely to > eventually corrode enough that it may eventually wear or cause the > seals to develop leaks. > > I know at least sometimes the prop & propshaft on bigger boats is > protected from corrosion with an anode, which wouldn't be very > practical on a thru hull. Possibly this explains why the one you have > is 304. > > Another thing I see at work all the time is contamination of any grade > of SS pipe with carbon steel dust from grinders, drill shavings, > etc. A piece of SS you thought was clean left in the rain will > develop nasty rust spots overnight! Important to store your SS away > from carbon steel workshop areas and/or cover it. > > Cheers, > Steve > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Hi All, > I was given a stainless steel prop shaft which is > about 1 1/2" in diameter, I have cut it up into 2" long pieces so > they can be used as thru hull fittings for some of my rotating > shafts that I will be using. I was always under the impression > that the prop shafts were a highly resistant alloy of stainless > and would be good for my application. I recently was able to have > someone do a spectral analysis of the metal and it showed that the > material is 304 stainless. I'm wondering if that will be good > enough to use as a stainless fitting for a thru hull ? > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 19:46:36 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 17:46:36 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1420826184.21613.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420826184.21613.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9e6001a1-cb35-4681-abf3-ce3c6364c11a@email.android.com> The issue is really the extraneous weight that you would end up carrying if you used, for example, two formed hemispheres versus the segmented construction. To achieve the minimum required shell thickness at all points, the deviation from this with a smaller pressed segment is much less than that with a fully formed hemisphere. The extra weight would otherwise reduce your payload capacity significantly, and this is significant enough to justify doing three times the welding that would otherwise be required with a pair of full hemispheres. A while ago, I emailed a sales representative at Edmonton Exchanger for some background information on this, as I was curious how much deformation is actually expected during head forming. (Bear in mind that they tend to work with SA 516-70 N steel plate, and also typically make much larger heads than the submarine hulls we're discussing here. ) His reply is below. -Sean ****** Forming SE2:1 heads: There is no advantage to forming SE2:1 heads in segments if it can be hot formed using a press in one piece. We can form up to 4" thick SE2:1 head with only 1/8" thinning and up to 8" with 1/4" thinning (based on ID being 48" ID or more). The thinning on a hot formed head occurs at the top of the head (middle of head). During the forming process the material moves toward the Straight Flange so the SF thickness of head after forming is usually 1/8" to 1/4" thicker depending on the thickness and size of head. It is true that forming a SE2:1 head in segments would give you a more uniform thickness..........but the disadvantage is the additional welding and the shape of the head. When you hot form a SE2:1 head the inside shape of the head is a perfect SE2:1 shape. When making the head in segments and putting it together the head will deviate from its true shape which is not desirable. If SE2:1 head is too big to form in a press we would have to cold dish and hot spin the head manually with different equipment. During this process the head can thin up to 20% and the shape can deviate slightly. A segmented head may be a option in this case because of the material savings and the extra labor involved in dishing and spinning. Forming Hemispherical Heads: Because hemi heads are very deep they tend to thin more than the SE2:1 head. The loose rule for hot forming a Hemi head is that it will thin 1/8" for every inch of thickness. Based on this, if you form a 5" thick x 96" ID Hemi............it could thin as much as 5/8". Again, the head would thin on the top and material would move into the SF of Hemi making it approx 5% thicker. The advantage of hot forming is the ID shape of the Hemi is perfect. Also, in both the SE2:1 heads and Hemi heads - the labor involved in hot forming is minimal compared to segmented construction. Even with the extensive thinning on hemi heads it is usually more cost effective to hot form a Hemi head rather than form in pieces and weld together. ****** On January 9, 2015 10:56:24 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Scott, >Okay sounds good. You probably already know that the figures you were >given are calculated on nominal thickness. That means you will need to >have segmented heads built to stay at your desired thickness. If you >get pressed heads or formed heads they will need to be much thicker to >achieve 1in nominal. The thicker material will effect your weight and >net buoyancy. >Hank -------------------------------------------- >On Fri, 1/9/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 11:21 AM > > Hank,The > way it looks, I think building from scratch unless I get a > good deal is the way to go. I might be taking Katy on a > surprise vacation to Honduras in just a bit and do a deep > dive and a ton of pictures down there. I have sent a quote > request for the two 1" thick 60" diameter heads of > 516 gr 70.?Thanks,Scott > Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/09/2015 9:43 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) > > Scott, > The trail went cold on the Pisces sub in the UK.? I > just spoke with the park people and the sub was on loan and > the owners took it back 4 years ago or so.? We could > press on and find the owner but I suspect if you could but > it, it would be quite expensive.? > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/09/2015 6:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) The issue is really the extraneous weight that you would end up carrying if you used, for example, two formed hemispheres versus the segmented construction. To achieve the minimum required shell thickness at all points, the deviation from this with a smaller pressed segment is much less than that with a fully formed hemisphere. The extra weight would otherwise reduce your payload capacity significantly, and this is significant enough to justify doing three times the welding that would otherwise be required with a pair of full hemispheres. A while ago, I emailed a sales representative at Edmonton Exchanger for some background information on this, as I was curious how much deformation is actually expected during head forming. (Bear in mind that they tend to work with SA 516-70 N steel plate, and also typically make much larger heads than the submarine hulls we're discussing here. ) His reply is below. -Sean ****** Forming SE2:1 heads: There is no advantage to forming SE2:1 heads in segments if it can be hot formed using a press in one piece. We can form up to 4" thick SE2:1 head with only 1/8" thinning and up to 8" with 1/4" thinning (based on ID being 48" ID or more). The thinning on a hot formed head occurs at the top of the head (middle of head). During the forming process the material moves toward the Straight Flange so the SF thickness of head after forming is usually 1/8" to 1/4" thicker depending on the thickness and size of head. It is true that forming a SE2:1 head in segments would give you a more uniform thickness..........but the disadvantage is the additional welding and the shape of the head. When you hot form a SE2:1 head the inside shape of the head is a perfect SE2:1 shape. When making the head in segments and putting it together the head will deviate from its true shape which is not desirable. If SE2:1 head is too big to form in a press we would have to cold dish and hot spin the head ma! nually with different equipment. During this process the head can thin up to 20% and the shape can deviate slightly. A segmented head may be a option in this case because of the material savings and the extra labor involved in dishing and spinning. Forming Hemispherical Heads: Because hemi heads are very deep they tend to thin more than the SE2:1 head. The loose rule for hot forming a Hemi head is that it will thin 1/8" for every inch of thickness. Based on this, if you form a 5" thick x 96" ID Hemi............it could thin as much as 5/8". Again, the head would thin on the top and material would move into the SF of Hemi making it approx 5% thicker. The advantage of hot forming is the ID shape of the Hemi is perfect. Also, in both the SE2:1 heads and Hemi heads - the labor involved in hot forming is minimal compared to segmented construction. Even with the extensive thinning on hemi heads it is usually more cost effective to hot form a Hemi head rather than form in pieces and weld together. ****** On January 9, 2015 10:56:24 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Scott, Okay sounds good. You probably already know that the figures you were given are calculated on nominal thickness. That means you will need to have segmented heads built to stay at your desired thickness. If you get pressed heads or formed heads they will need to be much thicker to achieve 1in nominal. The thicker material will effect your weight and net buoyancy. Hank On Fri, 1/9/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 11:21 AM Hank,The way it looks, I think building from scratch unless I get a good deal is the way to go. I might be taking Katy on a surprise vacation to Honduras in just a bit and do a deep dive and a ton of pictures down t! here. I have sent a quote request for the two 1" thick 60" diameter heads of 516 gr 70. Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/09/2015 9:43 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Scott, The trail went cold on the Pisces sub in the UK. I just spoke with the park people and the sub was on loan and the owners took it back 4 years ago or so. We could press on and find the owner but I suspect if you could but it, it would be quite expensive. Hank Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 20:16:50 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 19:16:50 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Message-ID: Sean, Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter.? The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60" Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/08/2015 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-08 19:01, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That's what I got. Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. It's going to take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, but it looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces about a thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 footers. Pretty close, and might be marginally less expensive. What would a 39" radius do for depth in the thicknesses you have already given? Vance As requested: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddbdifba.png Type: image/png Size: 91543 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddceahih.png Type: image/png Size: 81198 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bjcecedj.png Type: image/png Size: 91841 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cahcdbgg.png Type: image/png Size: 96963 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 21:19:50 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 19:19:50 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My take on this is that EE mostly deals with huge, thick pieces for pressure vessels in the oil and gas industry, and they probably don't typically manufacture to the tight tolerances required of vessels subject to external pressure. There is no question that forming in a single piece maintains shape better, but to accommodate the thinning you end up needing a thicker blank, which robs you of payload capacity because of the superfluous material. This is particularly true in small vessels, and I recall that during one of the Nuytco tours, Phil indicated that this is why they segment the DeepWorker hulls. It requires three times the welding of a single circumferential weld, but manages hull thickness without extensive machining after welding. As with anything, you can get it near perfect when you throw time, money and effort at it, so you can probably make a jig to do segmented construction with high accuracy, but I would definitely do the math to see if it's necessary. With a large enough hull, you might be able to live with the extra weight if the cost is significantly less than the alternative. Sean On January 9, 2015 6:12:47 PM MST, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: >Sean, >In the sales reps response he mentioned the disadvantage of segmented >is the shape, but it is uniform thickness. Isn't the shape critical? >Perhaps I interperted this wrong. I should be getting the hemi in >segmented for this sub correct? >Thanks, >Scott Waters > > >Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > >-------- Original message -------- >From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" > >Date:01/09/2015 6:46 PM (GMT-06:00) >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) > >The issue is really the extraneous weight that you would end up >carrying if you used, for example, two formed hemispheres versus the >segmented construction. To achieve the minimum required shell thickness >at all points, the deviation from this with a smaller pressed segment >is much less than that with a fully formed hemisphere. The extra weight >would otherwise reduce your payload capacity significantly, and this is >significant enough to justify doing three times the welding that would >otherwise be required with a pair of full hemispheres. A while ago, I >emailed a sales representative at Edmonton Exchanger for some >background information on this, as I was curious how much deformation >is actually expected during head forming. >(Bear in mind that they tend to work with SA 516-70 N steel plate, and >also typically make much larger heads than the submarine hulls we're >discussing here. ) > >His reply is below. > >-Sean > > >****** > >Forming SE2:1 heads: > >There is no advantage to forming SE2:1 heads in segments if it can be >hot formed using a press in one piece. We can form up to 4" thick SE2:1 >head with only 1/8" thinning and up to 8" with 1/4" thinning (based on >ID being 48" ID or more). The thinning on a hot formed head occurs at >the top of the head (middle of head). During the forming process the >material moves toward the Straight Flange so the SF thickness of head >after forming is usually 1/8" to 1/4" thicker depending on the >thickness and size of head. It is true that forming a SE2:1 head in >segments would give you a more uniform thickness..........but the >disadvantage is the additional welding and the shape of the head. When >you hot form a SE2:1 head the inside shape of the head is a perfect >SE2:1 shape. When making the head in segments and putting it together >the head will deviate from its true shape which is not desirable. If >SE2:1 head is too big to form in a press we would have to cold dish and >hot spin the head ma! nually with different equipment. During this >process the head can thin up to 20% and the shape can deviate slightly. >A segmented head may be a >option in this case because of the material savings and the extra labor >involved in dishing and spinning. > >Forming Hemispherical Heads: > >Because hemi heads are very deep they tend to thin more than the SE2:1 >head. The loose rule for hot forming a Hemi head is that it will thin >1/8" for every inch of thickness. Based on this, if you form a 5" thick >x 96" ID Hemi............it could thin as much as 5/8". Again, the head >would thin on the top and material would move into the SF of Hemi >making it approx 5% thicker. The advantage of hot forming is the ID >shape of the Hemi is perfect. Also, in both the SE2:1 heads and Hemi >heads - the labor involved in hot forming is minimal compared to >segmented construction. Even with the extensive thinning on hemi >heads it is usually more cost effective to hot form a Hemi head rather >than >form in pieces and weld together. > >****** > > > >On January 9, 2015 10:56:24 AM MST, hank pronk via >Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Scott, >Okay sounds good. You probably already know that the figures you were >given are calculated on nominal thickness. That means you will need to >have segmented heads built to stay at your desired thickness. If you >get pressed heads or formed heads they will need to be much thicker to >achieve 1in nominal. The thicker material will effect your weight and >net buoyancy. >Hank > >On Fri, 1/9/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 11:21 AM > > Hank,The > way it looks, I think building from scratch unless I get a > good deal is the way to go. I might be taking Katy on a > surprise vacation to Honduras in just a bit and do a deep > dive and a ton of pictures down t! > here. I >have sent a quote > request for the two 1" thick 60" diameter heads of > 516 gr 70. Thanks,Scott > Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/09/2015 9:43 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) > > Scott, > The trail went cold on the Pisces sub in the UK. I > just spoke with the park people and the sub was on loan and > the owners took it back 4 years ago or so. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 21:24:37 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 19:24:37 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6d215b41-17fc-4595-9755-eb9dc436fad9@email.android.com> I never thought to add the functionality to solve for diameter. I'll have to look into that. I'll run your calc. Stay tuned. Sean On January 9, 2015 6:16:50 PM MST, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: >Sean, >Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, >72" diameter.? >The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just >make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60" >Thanks, >Scott Waters > > >Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > >-------- Original message -------- >From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" > >Date:01/08/2015 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres > >On 2015-01-08 19:01, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >That's what I got. Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. It's >going to take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, but it >looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces about a >thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 footers. Pretty close, and >might be marginally less expensive. What would a 39" radius do for >depth in the thicknesses you have already given? >Vance > >As requested: > >ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: > > > >ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: > > >HY-100, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: > > >HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: > > >Sean > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 21:29:44 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 18:29:44 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <6d215b41-17fc-4595-9755-eb9dc436fad9@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1420856984.74836.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sean, EE did my parts and my dome was quite bent when sitting on the bench. They told me too bad, it is within ASME specs. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 9:24 PM I never thought to add the functionality to solve for diameter. I'll have to look into that. I'll run your calc. Stay tuned. Sean On January 9, 2015 6:16:50 PM MST, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Sean,Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter.?The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60"Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/08/2015 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-08 19:01, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That's what I got. Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. It's going to take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, but it looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces about a thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 footers. Pretty close, and might be marginally less expensive. What would a 39" radius do for depth in the thicknesses you have already given? Vance As requested: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: Sean Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 21:46:18 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 19:46:18 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <1420856984.74836.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420856984.74836.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, you really need to cross your t's and dot your i's when tendering a bid or ordering a part to specification. Anything not explicitly spelled out is subject to interpretation or disregard. I always create completely dimensioned and toleranced engineering drawings for this purpose, in addition to material specifications and test performance requirements, and make clear that if the part doesn't pass QC, the supplier is responsible for correcting the problem. I get such an agreement signed. Of course, I have the benefit of having been doing this professionally for years. Strict hobbyists cannot be expected to be as informed. That said, I would take the required tolerances, roundness, test procedures and so forth right out of the guides, and present this when getting quotes so that I get the true cost for what I need, and discover right away if it is not within a supplier's capabilities. How did your dome turn out? Were you able to correct it? Sean On January 9, 2015 7:29:44 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Sean, >EE did my parts and my dome was quite bent when sitting on the bench. >They told me too bad, it is within ASME specs. >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 9:24 PM > > I never thought to add the functionality to solve > for diameter. I'll have to look into that. > I'll run your calc. Stay tuned. > Sean > > > > > On January 9, 2015 6:16:50 > PM MST, "swaters at waters-ks.com via > Personal_Submersibles" > wrote: > Sean,Can I ask you to do one more calc for > me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" > diameter.?The 78" was not within ABS rules > at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give > me more boyancy than the > 60"Thanks,Scott > Waters > > Sent from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message > -------- > From: "Sean T. Stevenson via > Personal_Submersibles" > Date:01/08/2015 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: > 78" spheres > > > On 2015-01-08 > 19:01, via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > That's what I got. > Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. > It's going to > take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, > but it > looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot > sphere displaces > about a thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 > footers. > Pretty close, and might be marginally less > expensive. What > would a 39" radius do for depth in the > thicknesses you have > already given? > Vance > > > > > > As > requested: > > > > ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" > wall: > > > > > > > > ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: > > > > > > HY-100, 78" > sphere, 0.75" wall: > > > > > > HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 21:52:32 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 18:52:32 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420858352.64464.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I was able to correct it, and you are right, I was not clear enough. I assumed, and that is a mistake. EE is still awesome. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 9:46 PM Yeah, you really need to cross your t's and dot your i's when tendering a bid or ordering a part to specification. Anything not explicitly spelled out is subject to interpretation or disregard.? I always create completely dimensioned and toleranced engineering drawings for this purpose, in addition to material specifications and test performance requirements, and make clear that if the part doesn't pass QC, the supplier is responsible for correcting the problem. I get such an agreement signed. Of course, I have the benefit of having been doing this professionally for years. Strict hobbyists cannot be expected to be as informed. That said, I would take the required tolerances, roundness, test procedures and so forth right out of the guides, and present this when getting quotes so that I get the true cost for what I need, and discover right away if it is not within a supplier's capabilities. How did your dome turn out? Were you able to correct it? Sean On January 9, 2015 7:29:44 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, EE did my parts and my dome was quite bent when sitting on the bench. They told me too bad, it is within ASME specs. Hank On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 9:24 PM I never thought to add the functionality to solve for diameter. I'll have to look into that. I'll run your calc. Stay tuned. Sean On January 9, 2015 6:16:50 PM MST, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Sean,Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter.?The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000! m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60"Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/08/2015 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-08 19:01, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That's what I got. Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. It's going to take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, but it looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces about a thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 footers. Pretty close, and might be marginally less expensive. What would a 39" radius do for depth in the thicknesses you have already given? Vance As requested: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: Sean Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Att! achment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 22:07:29 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:07:29 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54B09771.3070208@telus.net> On 2015-01-09 18:16, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Sean, > Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter. > The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60" > Thanks, > Scott Waters Not sure where you're going with this. The 60" sphere doesn't even make it at 1" thickness. A 72" definitely won't. 72" OD, 1" wall, ASTM A516 Grade 70: Just out of interest, I checked how small a sphere with 1" thick hull would need to be to get you to 1000m. Turns out it's about 50 inches: Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 10:07 PM On 2015-01-09 18:16, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter.? The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60" Thanks, Scott Waters Not sure where you're going with this.? The 60" sphere doesn't even make it at 1" thickness.? A 72" definitely won't. 72" OD, 1" wall, ASTM A516 Grade 70: Just out of interest, I checked how small a sphere with 1" thick hull would need to be to get you to 1000m.? Turns out it's about 50 inches: Sean -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 22:20:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:20:26 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <54B09771.3070208@telus.net> References: <54B09771.3070208@telus.net> Message-ID: <54B09A7A.80900@telus.net> Scott - check the previous solution for wall thickness that I posted for you. The 60" A516 sphere requires 1.2" wall to get to 1000 m, at minimum ABS spec. Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 22:24:10 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:24:10 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <1420859773.75601.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420859773.75601.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54B09B5A.6070205@telus.net> On 2015-01-09 20:16, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > just to make things interesting. I found two aluminum 60 in spheres 3 in thick wall and maybe 6 in thick flange. They appear to be cast and perfectly round. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > Any idea as to alloy? Looking for: ASTM B 209 Alloy 6061-T6 ASTM B 928 Alloy 5083 ASTM B 928 Alloy 5086 ASTM B 209 Alloy 5383 ASTM B 209 Alloy 5456 Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 22:26:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 19:26:24 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <54B09B5A.6070205@telus.net> Message-ID: <1420860384.98835.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> All I know at this point is it is a pressure vessel, an explosion test chamber. I assume it is a higher grade. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 10:24 PM On 2015-01-09 20:16, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > just to make things interesting.? I found two aluminum 60 in spheres 3 in thick wall and maybe 6 in thick flange.? They appear to be cast and perfectly round. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > Any idea as to alloy? Looking for: ASTM B 209 Alloy 6061-T6 ASTM B 928 Alloy 5083 ASTM B 928 Alloy 5086 ASTM B 209 Alloy 5383 ASTM B 209 Alloy 5456 Sean _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 22:27:06 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 03:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <1420859773.75601.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420859773.75601.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <957836318.51987.1420860426198.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100118.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hank,do you know what aluminum they are & is that 60" OD?I will put it through my calculator if I have the material in?the data base. But not till after BBQ; nice hot day here in Auckland:)Sean might beat me to it & have ?a more reliable result.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres just to make things interesting.? I found two aluminum 60 in spheres 3 in thick wall and maybe 6 in thick flange.? They appear to be cast and perfectly round. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc:? 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 10:07 PM ? ? On 2015-01-09 18:16, ? ? ? swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sean, Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter.? The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60" Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? ? ? Not sure where you're going with this.? The 60" sphere doesn't even ? ? make it at 1" thickness.? A 72" definitely won't. ? ? ? ? 72" OD, 1" wall, ASTM A516 Grade 70: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Just out of interest, I checked how small a sphere with 1" thick ? ? hull would need to be to get you to 1000m.? Turns out it's about 50 ? ? inches: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sean ? ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But not till after BBQ; nice hot day here in Auckland:)Sean might beat me to it & have ?a more reliable result.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres just to make things interesting.? I found two aluminum 60 in spheres 3 in thick wall and maybe 6 in thick flange.? They appear to be cast and perfectly round. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc:? 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 10:07 PM ? ? On 2015-01-09 18:16, ? ? ? swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sean, Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter.? The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60" Thanks, Scott Waters ? ? ? ? Not sure where you're going with this.? The 60" sphere doesn't even ? ? make it at 1" thickness.? A 72" definitely won't. ? ? ? ? 72" OD, 1" wall, ASTM A516 Grade 70: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Just out of interest, I checked how small a sphere with 1" thick ? ? hull would need to be to get you to 1000m.? Turns out it's about 50 ? ? inches: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sean ? ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 22:41:07 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:41:07 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <957836318.51987.1420860426198.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100118.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420859773.75601.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <957836318.51987.1420860426198.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100118.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54B09F53.9040902@telus.net> On 2015-01-09 20:27, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hank, > do you know what aluminum they are & is that 60" OD? > I will put it through my calculator if I have the material in > the data base. But not till after BBQ; nice hot day here in Auckland:) > Sean might beat me to it & have a more reliable result. > Alan > I ran the best-case scenario - that they are 6061-T6 (the strong stuff). 60" OD, 3" wall: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 22:49:13 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:49:13 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Message-ID: Sean, Can you point me to the direction to writing a spec contract for two hemispherical heads withing the requirements needed? I am still learning and got a long ways to go. I truely appriciate the help. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/09/2015 8:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Yeah, you really need to cross your t's and dot your i's when tendering a bid or ordering a part to specification. Anything not explicitly spelled out is subject to interpretation or disregard. I always create completely dimensioned and toleranced engineering drawings for this purpose, in addition to material specifications and test performance requirements, and make clear that if the part doesn't pass QC, the supplier is responsible for correcting the problem. I get such an agreement signed. Of course, I have the benefit of having been doing this professionally for years. Strict hobbyists cannot be expected to be as informed. That said, I would take the required tolerances, roundness, test procedures and so forth right out of the guides, and present this when getting quotes so that I get the true cost for what I need, and discover right away if it is not within a supplier's capabilities. How did your dome turn out? Were you able to correct it? Sean On January 9, 2015 7:29:44 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, EE did my parts and my dome was quite bent when sitting on the bench. They told me too bad, it is within ASME specs. Hank On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 9:24 PM I never thought to add the functionality to solve for diameter. I'll have to look into that. I'll run your calc. Stay tuned. Sean On January 9, 2015 6:16:50 PM MST, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Sean,Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter. The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000! m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60"Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/08/2015 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-08 19:01, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That's what I got. Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. It's going to take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, but it looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces about a thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 footers. Pretty close, and might be marginally less expensive. What would a 39" radius do for depth in the thicknesses you have already given? Vance As requested: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: Sean Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Att! achment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/09/2015 8:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Yeah, you really need to cross your t's and dot your i's when tendering a bid or ordering a part to specification. Anything not explicitly spelled out is subject to interpretation or disregard.? I always create completely dimensioned and toleranced engineering drawings for this purpose, in addition to material specifications and test performance requirements, and make clear that if the part doesn't pass QC, the supplier is responsible for correcting the problem. I get such an agreement signed. Of course, I have the benefit of having been doing this professionally for years. Strict hobbyists cannot be expected to be as informed. That said, I would take the required tolerances, roundness, test procedures and so forth right out of the guides, and present this when getting quotes so that I get the true cost for what I need, and discover right away if it is not within a supplier's capabilities. How did your dome turn out? Were you able to correct it? Sean On January 9, 2015 7:29:44 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, EE did my parts and my dome was quite bent when sitting on the bench. They told me too bad, it is within ASME specs. Hank On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 9:24 PM I never thought to add the functionality to solve for diameter. I'll have to look into that. I'll run your calc. Stay tuned. Sean On January 9, 2015 6:16:50 PM MST, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Sean,Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter.?The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000! m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60"Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/08/2015 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-08 19:01, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That's what I got. Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. It's going to take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, but it looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces about a thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 footers. Pretty close, and might be marginally less expensive. What would a 39" radius do for depth in the thicknesses you have already given? Vance As requested: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: Sean Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Att! achment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 22:56:15 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:56:15 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Message-ID: <3xb3vho3vd1ba3t38p1h38xt.1420862175417@email.android.com> Sean, Perhaps I am interperting these wrong. I thought if the pressure at working depth is lower than maximum allowable working pressure then it passes ABS rules. If pressure at working depth is higher than maximum allowable pressure then it does not pass ABS rules. What am I looking for on these? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/09/2015 9:07 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-09 18:16, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter. The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60" Thanks, Scott Waters Not sure where you're going with this. The 60" sphere doesn't even make it at 1" thickness. A 72" definitely won't. 72" OD, 1" wall, ASTM A516 Grade 70: Just out of interest, I checked how small a sphere with 1" thick hull would need to be to get you to 1000m. Turns out it's about 50 inches: Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jjbaggdb.png Type: image/png Size: 83086 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gfiaiabb.png Type: image/png Size: 92306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 22:57:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:57:24 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Message-ID: Ohhhh. Ok, I am catching on.? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/09/2015 9:20 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Scott - check the previous solution for wall thickness that I posted for you. The 60" A516 sphere requires 1.2" wall to get to 1000 m, at minimum ABS spec. Sean _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 23:05:09 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 22:05:09 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Message-ID: Hank, What is EE? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/09/2015 9:55 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Scott, You should get a price from EE because your dollar is very high right now and the oil patch is laying off due to low oil price. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/9/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 10:49 PM Sean,Can you point me to the direction to writing a spec contract for two hemispherical heads withing the requirements needed? I am still learning and got a long ways to go. I truely appriciate the help.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/09/2015 8:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Yeah, you really need to cross your t's and dot your i's when tendering a bid or ordering a part to specification. Anything not explicitly spelled out is subject to interpretation or disregard. I always create completely dimensioned and toleranced engineering drawings for this purpose, in addition to material specifications and test performance requirements, and make clear that if the part doesn't pass QC, the supplier is responsible for correcting the problem. I get such an agreement signed. Of course, I have the benefit of having been doing this professionally for years. Strict hobbyists cannot be expected to be as informed. That said, I would take the required tolerances, roundness, test procedures and so forth right out of the guides, and present this when getting quotes so that I get the true cost for what I need, and discover right away if it is not within a supplier's capabilities. How did your dome turn out? Were you able to correct it? Sean On January 9, 2015 7:29:44 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, EE did my parts and my dome was quite bent when sitting on the bench. They told me too bad, it is within ASME specs. Hank On Fri, 1/9/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 9, 2015, 9:24 PM I never thought to add the functionality to solve for diameter. I'll have to look into that. I'll run your calc. Stay tuned. Sean On January 9, 2015 6:16:50 PM MST, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Sean,Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter. The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000! m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60"Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/08/2015 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-08 19:01, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That's what I got. Only without the format. Sweet. Thanks Sean. It's going to take a syntactic buoyancy package to get it right, but it looks like a decent alternative. A 6 1/2 foot sphere displaces about a thousand pounds more than the pair of 5 footers. Pretty close, and might be marginally less expensive. What would a 39" radius do for depth in the thicknesses you have already given? Vance As requested: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: ASTM A516 Grade 70, 78" sphere, 1" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 0.75" wall: HY-100, 78" sphere, 1" wall: Sean Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Att! achment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What am I looking for on these? > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" > Date:01/09/2015 9:07 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres > > On 2015-01-09 18:16, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Sean, > Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter. > The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60" > Thanks, > Scott Waters > Not sure where you're going with this. The 60" sphere doesn't even make it at 1" thickness. A 72" definitely won't. > > 72" OD, 1" wall, ASTM A516 Grade 70: > > > > Just out of interest, I checked how small a sphere with 1" thick hull would need to be to get you to 1000m. Turns out it's about 50 inches: > > > > Sean > > > > Sean, > Perhaps I am interperting these wrong. I thought if the pressure at > working depth is lower than maximum allowable working pressure then it > passes ABS rules. If pressure at working depth is higher than maximum > allowable pressure then it does not pass ABS rules. What am I looking > for on these? > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" > Date:01/09/2015 9:07 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres > > On 2015-01-09 18:16, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> Sean, >> Can I ask you to do one more calc for me? 516 gr 70 sphere, 1" thick, 72" diameter. >> The 78" was not within ABS rules at 1000m. I think the 72" might just make it, yet give me more boyancy than the 60" >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters > Not sure where you're going with this. The 60" sphere doesn't even > make it at 1" thickness. A 72" definitely won't. > > 72" OD, 1" wall, ASTM A516 Grade 70: > > > > Just out of interest, I checked how small a sphere with 1" thick hull > would need to be to get you to 1000m. Turns out it's about 50 inches: > > > > Sean > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 23:38:58 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:38:58 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54B0ACE2.3080004@telus.net> On 2015-01-09 21:05, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hank, > What is EE? > Thanks, > Scott Waters > Edmonton Exchanger Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 9 23:46:54 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:46:54 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <3xb3vho3vd1ba3t38p1h38xt.1420862175417@email.android.com> References: <3xb3vho3vd1ba3t38p1h38xt.1420862175417@email.android.com> Message-ID: <54B0AEBE.2050504@telus.net> On 2015-01-09 20:56, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote > Sean, > Perhaps I am interperting these wrong. I thought if the pressure at working depth is lower than maximum allowable working pressure then it passes ABS rules. If pressure at working depth is higher than maximum allowable pressure then it does not pass ABS rules. What am I looking for on these? > Thanks, > Scott Waters The solutions I have posted will always show the pressure at working depth and the maximum allowable working pressure as being approximately identical. These are the final values when the solver arrives at a solution, differing only by the discrete nature of the iterative process (adding either 0.0001 m of shell thickness or 0.1 m of working depth on each iteration, depending on the selected mode). Every one of the posted solutions meets the ABS requirements - some just don't meet your desired working depth, or your desired shell thickness. Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 00:28:06 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 23:28:06 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Message-ID: Ok. Cool. Thanks Sean! -Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/09/2015 10:38 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-09 21:05, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, What is EE? Thanks, Scott Waters Edmonton Exchanger Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 02:01:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 23:01:33 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? In-Reply-To: References: <1415453020.71167.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <545eb19b.4776420a.4595.4209@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Alex, Great Design!! What type of material are you using in your 3d printer? Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Oh I forgot the second question. No cartridge, I just pour in the > material. Always outside the sub, barring an emergency, because filling it > makes a lot of dust. > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi Alec, That is very sexy. Looks smart. How does the mouthpiece >> work? Sucking from the filter or blowing in reverse. How easy to refill? >> Are you making a cartridge of just pouring the media in between? Regards, >> Hugh >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Alec Smyth via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Sunday, 9 November 2014 12:16 p.m. >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >> >> >> >> Hi Roberto, >> >> >> >> Snoopy uses a scrubber made from what I think you are referring to. It is >> an odor reducing scrubber for building ventilation, although modified to >> hold much finer material and of course with the addition of a fan. I have a >> project page for the scrubbers that are going into the new sub, which are >> 3D printed. But the first photo is of Snoopy's scrubber. >> >> >> >> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> Alec >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> >> Hi >> Go to psubs.org and then design tools then life support and you can read >> all about CO2 scrubbers. You can also buy one from airsearch (Emile) I am >> not sure about the filter you mention but I can say that the blower you >> mention will be very loud inside your submarine. I have a boat blower in >> my sub for cooling and venting when I am at the surface. The blower works >> great but is real noisy, so it is okay for short periods of time. >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Sat, 11/8/14, roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> Received: Saturday, November 8, 2014, 12:53 AM >> >> >> Hi, i found a >> video about an room airfilter and describes how the zeonite >> sand acts removing the N2, then i look at a boat blower ( >> attwod sealed 300 cfm 12 v ), will this in junction with the >> fridge filter with zeonite, can this be a good cabin >> filtration system? >> the Co2 , how can be removed? >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 10692 (20141108) __________ >> >> >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 10693 (20141108) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What type of material are you using in your 3d > printer? > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Oh I forgot the second question. No cartridge, I just pour in the >> material. Always outside the sub, barring an emergency, because filling it >> makes a lot of dust. >> >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi Alec, That is very sexy. Looks smart. How does the mouthpiece >>> work? Sucking from the filter or blowing in reverse. How easy to refill? >>> Are you making a cartridge of just pouring the media in between? Regards, >>> Hugh >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >>> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Alec Smyth via >>> Personal_Submersibles >>> *Sent:* Sunday, 9 November 2014 12:16 p.m. >>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Roberto, >>> >>> >>> >>> Snoopy uses a scrubber made from what I think you are referring to. It >>> is an odor reducing scrubber for building ventilation, although modified to >>> hold much finer material and of course with the addition of a fan. I have a >>> project page for the scrubbers that are going into the new sub, which are >>> 3D printed. But the first photo is of Snoopy's scrubber. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> Go to psubs.org and then design tools then life support and you can >>> read all about CO2 scrubbers. You can also buy one from airsearch (Emile) >>> I am not sure about the filter you mention but I can say that the blower >>> you mention will be very loud inside your submarine. I have a boat blower >>> in my sub for cooling and venting when I am at the surface. The blower >>> works great but is real noisy, so it is okay for short periods of time. >>> Hank-------------------------------------------- >>> On Sat, 11/8/14, roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>> Received: Saturday, November 8, 2014, 12:53 AM >>> >>> >>> Hi, i found a >>> video about an room airfilter and describes how the zeonite >>> sand acts removing the N2, then i look at a boat blower ( >>> attwod sealed 300 cfm 12 v ), will this in junction with the >>> fridge filter with zeonite, can this be a good cabin >>> filtration system? >>> the Co2 , how can be removed? >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 10692 (20141108) __________ >>> >>> >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 10693 (20141108) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I keep the printing for the coldest days in winter, so I can still make progress when its too cold to work in the unheated garage. > > > Best, > > Alec > >> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 2:01 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Alex, Great Design!! What type of material are you using in your 3d printer? >> >> Best Regards, >> David Colombo >> >> 804 College Ave >> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >> (707) 536-1424 >> www.SeaQuestor.com >> >> >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Oh I forgot the second question. No cartridge, I just pour in the material. Always outside the sub, barring an emergency, because filling it makes a lot of dust. >>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Hi Alec, That is very sexy. Looks smart. How does the mouthpiece work? Sucking from the filter or blowing in reverse. How easy to refill? Are you making a cartridge of just pouring the media in between? Regards, Hugh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles >>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2014 12:16 p.m. >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Roberto, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Snoopy uses a scrubber made from what I think you are referring to. It is an odor reducing scrubber for building ventilation, although modified to hold much finer material and of course with the addition of a fan. I have a project page for the scrubbers that are going into the new sub, which are 3D printed. But the first photo is of Snoopy's scrubber. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> >>>> Alec >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> Go to psubs.org and then design tools then life support and you can read all about CO2 scrubbers. You can also buy one from airsearch (Emile) I am not sure about the filter you mention but I can say that the blower you mention will be very loud inside your submarine. I have a boat blower in my sub for cooling and venting when I am at the surface. The blower works great but is real noisy, so it is okay for short periods of time. >>>> Hank-------------------------------------------- >>>> On Sat, 11/8/14, roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>>> Received: Saturday, November 8, 2014, 12:53 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, i found a >>>> video about an room airfilter and describes how the zeonite >>>> sand acts removing the N2, then i look at a boat blower ( >>>> attwod sealed 300 cfm 12 v ), will this in junction with the >>>> fridge filter with zeonite, can this be a good cabin >>>> filtration system? >>>> the Co2 , how can be removed? >>>> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10692 (20141108) __________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10693 (20141108) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards, David Colombo Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Mark via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/10/2015 5:14 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Cc: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? We recently acquired a new 3D printer from 3D Systems (Cube Pro Trio) that's able print just shy of 1 cubic foot. We can print in ABS, PLA and Nylon. For just the cost of material, we would be glad to print the 3D Scubber parts for anyone that is interested. You would just need to provide the design files. Regards, David Widman Sent from iPhone. On Jan 10, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi David, I printed these in ABS. Haven't been printing for a while now but about to re-start. I keep the printing for the coldest days in winter, so I can still make progress when its too cold to work in the unheated garage. Best, Alec On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 2:01 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alex, Great Design!! What type of material are you using in your 3d printer? Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Oh I forgot the second question. No cartridge, I just pour in the material. Always outside the sub, barring an emergency, because filling it makes a lot of dust. On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Alec, That is very sexy. Looks smart. How does the mouthpiece work? Sucking from the filter or blowing in reverse. How easy to refill? Are you making a cartridge of just pouring the media in between? Regards, Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2014 12:16 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? Hi Roberto, Snoopy uses a scrubber made from what I think you are referring to. It is an odor reducing scrubber for building ventilation, although modified to hold much finer material and of course with the addition of a fan. I have a project page for the scrubbers that are going into the new sub, which are 3D printed. But the first photo is of Snoopy's scrubber. http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ Best, Alec On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Go to psubs.org and then design tools then life support and you can read all about CO2 scrubbers. You can also buy one from airsearch (Emile) I am not sure about the filter you mention but I can say that the blower you mention will be very loud inside your submarine. I have a boat blower in my sub for cooling and venting when I am at the surface. The blower works great but is real noisy, so it is okay for short periods of time. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 11/8/14, roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Received: Saturday, November 8, 2014, 12:53 AM Hi, i found a video about an room airfilter and describes how the zeonite sand acts removing the N2, then i look at a boat blower ( attwod sealed 300 cfm 12 v ), will this in junction with the fridge filter with zeonite, can this be a good cabin filtration system? the Co2 , how can be removed? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10692 (20141108) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10693 (20141108) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, David Widman Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 10, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Seaquestor via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi David, What are the physical dimension limitations with your printer? > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Date: 01/10/2015 5:14 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Cc: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? > > We recently acquired a new 3D printer from 3D Systems (Cube Pro Trio) that's able print just shy of 1 cubic foot. We can print in ABS, PLA and Nylon. > > For just the cost of material, we would be glad to print the 3D Scubber parts for anyone that is interested. You would just need to provide the design files. > > Regards, > > David Widman > > Sent from iPhone. > >> On Jan 10, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> I printed these in ABS. Haven't been printing for a while now but about to re-start. I keep the printing for the coldest days in winter, so I can still make progress when its too cold to work in the unheated garage. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 2:01 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Alex, Great Design!! What type of material are you using in your 3d printer? >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> David Colombo >>> >>> 804 College Ave >>> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >>> (707) 536-1424 >>> www.SeaQuestor.com >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Oh I forgot the second question. No cartridge, I just pour in the material. Always outside the sub, barring an emergency, because filling it makes a lot of dust. >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> Hi Alec, That is very sexy. Looks smart. How does the mouthpiece work? Sucking from the filter or blowing in reverse. How easy to refill? Are you making a cartridge of just pouring the media in between? Regards, Hugh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2014 12:16 p.m. >>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Roberto, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Snoopy uses a scrubber made from what I think you are referring to. It is an odor reducing scrubber for building ventilation, although modified to hold much finer material and of course with the addition of a fan. I have a project page for the scrubbers that are going into the new sub, which are 3D printed. But the first photo is of Snoopy's scrubber. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Alec >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> Go to psubs.org and then design tools then life support and you can read all about CO2 scrubbers. You can also buy one from airsearch (Emile) I am not sure about the filter you mention but I can say that the blower you mention will be very loud inside your submarine. I have a boat blower in my sub for cooling and venting when I am at the surface. The blower works great but is real noisy, so it is okay for short periods of time. >>>>> Hank-------------------------------------------- >>>>> On Sat, 11/8/14, roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>>>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> Received: Saturday, November 8, 2014, 12:53 AM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, i found a >>>>> video about an room airfilter and describes how the zeonite >>>>> sand acts removing the N2, then i look at a boat blower ( >>>>> attwod sealed 300 cfm 12 v ), will this in junction with the >>>>> fridge filter with zeonite, can this be a good cabin >>>>> filtration system? >>>>> the Co2 , how can be removed? >>>>> >>>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10692 (20141108) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10693 (20141108) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 12:04:47 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Mark via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 12:04:47 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? In-Reply-To: <8se2cqi4l2x337t0n40b2u0h.1420908379910@email.android.com> References: <8se2cqi4l2x337t0n40b2u0h.1420908379910@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Not sure off the top of my head but you can look at 3Dsystems.com or Cubify.com and see the specs. We have a new 3 color CubePro Trio. Regards, David Widman Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 10, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Seaquestor via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi David, What are the physical dimension limitations with your printer? > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Date: 01/10/2015 5:14 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Cc: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? > > We recently acquired a new 3D printer from 3D Systems (Cube Pro Trio) that's able print just shy of 1 cubic foot. We can print in ABS, PLA and Nylon. > > For just the cost of material, we would be glad to print the 3D Scubber parts for anyone that is interested. You would just need to provide the design files. > > Regards, > > David Widman > > Sent from iPhone. > >> On Jan 10, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> I printed these in ABS. Haven't been printing for a while now but about to re-start. I keep the printing for the coldest days in winter, so I can still make progress when its too cold to work in the unheated garage. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 2:01 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Alex, Great Design!! What type of material are you using in your 3d printer? >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> David Colombo >>> >>> 804 College Ave >>> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >>> (707) 536-1424 >>> www.SeaQuestor.com >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Oh I forgot the second question. No cartridge, I just pour in the material. Always outside the sub, barring an emergency, because filling it makes a lot of dust. >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> Hi Alec, That is very sexy. Looks smart. How does the mouthpiece work? Sucking from the filter or blowing in reverse. How easy to refill? Are you making a cartridge of just pouring the media in between? Regards, Hugh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2014 12:16 p.m. >>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Roberto, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Snoopy uses a scrubber made from what I think you are referring to. It is an odor reducing scrubber for building ventilation, although modified to hold much finer material and of course with the addition of a fan. I have a project page for the scrubbers that are going into the new sub, which are 3D printed. But the first photo is of Snoopy's scrubber. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Alec >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> Go to psubs.org and then design tools then life support and you can read all about CO2 scrubbers. You can also buy one from airsearch (Emile) I am not sure about the filter you mention but I can say that the blower you mention will be very loud inside your submarine. I have a boat blower in my sub for cooling and venting when I am at the surface. The blower works great but is real noisy, so it is okay for short periods of time. >>>>> Hank-------------------------------------------- >>>>> On Sat, 11/8/14, roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>>>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> Received: Saturday, November 8, 2014, 12:53 AM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, i found a >>>>> video about an room airfilter and describes how the zeonite >>>>> sand acts removing the N2, then i look at a boat blower ( >>>>> attwod sealed 300 cfm 12 v ), will this in junction with the >>>>> fridge filter with zeonite, can this be a good cabin >>>>> filtration system? >>>>> the Co2 , how can be removed? >>>>> >>>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10692 (20141108) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10693 (20141108) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 13:40:35 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 11:40:35 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: <1420903539.58805.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420903539.58805.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2506585d-1bac-43ed-8f08-2a2bd54fb9d0@email.android.com> You could certainly do that, although a three inch thick shell is pretty substantial - I might consider machining eg. conical window seats in the hull shell directly, and then derating the hull to a depth whereby the actual hull thickness is the effective derated thickness plus the effective reinforcement, which just happens to be a contiguous shell. The bolt-in arrangement would not act as hull reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the hole. The idea of reinforcements around openings is to provide material around the hole to carry the shell hoop stresses that would otherwise have passed through the material in the opening, such that you don't increase the nominal shell stress. This requires a (relatively) smooth load path to redirect stress around the hole. Brian recently asked me about the effectiveness of reinforcements like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, and this is a bit complicated, because some stress is indeed redirected into such a flange, but the load is not evenly distributed as you move inboard or outboard away from the hull shell (with diminishing returns at increasing distances), and you also introduce a stress concentration at the perpendicular transition. Ideally, reinforcements should be an effective thickening of the hull in the region immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered smoothly back (something like 4:1) into the hull shell to provide a continuous load path with no stress concentrations at abrupt changes in geometry. Sean On January 10, 2015 8:25:39 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >Is it feasible to have a bolt in penetration in a 3 inch thick sphere >hull. I am picturing machining a hole in the hull, then inserting a >window housing with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in the hole and >is bolted in place. Can that arrangement act as reinforcement for the >hull. >Hank >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 13:51:22 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:51:22 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: <2506585d-1bac-43ed-8f08-2a2bd54fb9d0@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1420915882.45216.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sean, Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to make the insert as tight as possible (sweat it in) I am not sure if the difference in material would cause a problem though. The idea of seating the port into the shell a good option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have enough on my plate but it is fun to think about. I was wrong about the size, the sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine that kills the rating quite a bit? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 1:40 PM You could certainly do that, although a three inch thick shell is pretty substantial - I might consider machining eg. conical window seats in the hull shell directly, and then derating the hull to a depth whereby the actual hull thickness is the effective derated thickness plus the effective reinforcement, which just happens to be a contiguous shell.? The bolt-in arrangement would not act as hull reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the hole. The idea of reinforcements around openings is to provide material around the hole to carry the shell hoop stresses that would otherwise have passed through the material in the opening, such that you don't increase the nominal shell stress. This requires a (relatively) smooth load path to redirect stress around the hole. Brian recently asked me about the effectiveness of reinforcements like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, and this is a bit complicated, because some stress i! s indeed redirected into such a flange, but the load is not evenly distributed as you move inboard or outboard away from the hull shell (with diminishing returns at increasing distances), and you also introduce a stress concentration at the perpendicular transition. Ideally, reinforcements should be an effective thickening of the hull in the region immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered smoothly back (something like 4:1) into the hull shell to provide a continuous load path with no stress concentrations at abrupt changes in geometry. Sean On January 10, 2015 8:25:39 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is it feasible to have a bolt in penetration in a 3 inch thick sphere hull. I am picturing machining a hole in the hull, then inserting a window housing with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in the hole and is bolted in place. Can that arrangement act as reinforcement for the hull. Hank Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 14:02:51 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 12:02:51 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: <1420915882.45216.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420915882.45216.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6e034d5a-70d2-405c-b0fb-c73a3a3708c7@email.android.com> Hank, any chance you can find out what the alloy is? This will have a profound effect on its efficacy. Sean On January 10, 2015 11:51:22 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Sean, >Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to make the insert as tight as >possible (sweat it in) I am not sure if the difference in material >would cause a problem though. The idea of seating the port into the >shell a good option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have >enough on my plate but it is fun to think about. I was wrong about the >size, the sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine that kills the >rating quite a bit? >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 1:40 PM > > You could certainly do that, although a three inch > thick shell is pretty substantial - I might consider > machining eg. conical window seats in the hull shell > directly, and then derating the hull to a depth whereby the > actual hull thickness is the effective derated thickness > plus the effective reinforcement, which just happens to be a > contiguous shell.? The bolt-in arrangement would not act as > hull reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the > hole. The idea of reinforcements around openings is to > provide material around the hole to carry the shell hoop > stresses that would otherwise have passed through the > material in the opening, such that you don't increase > the nominal shell stress. This requires a (relatively) > smooth load path to redirect stress around the hole. Brian > recently asked me about the effectiveness of reinforcements > like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, and this is a > bit complicated, because some stress i! > s indeed > redirected into such a flange, but the load is not evenly > distributed as you move inboard or outboard away from the > hull shell (with diminishing returns at increasing > distances), and you also introduce a stress concentration at > the perpendicular transition. Ideally, reinforcements should > be an effective thickening of the hull in the region > immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered smoothly back > (something like 4:1) into the hull shell to provide a > continuous load path with no stress concentrations at abrupt > changes in geometry. > Sean > > > > > On January 10, 2015 8:25:39 > AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Is it feasible to have a > bolt in penetration in a 3 inch thick sphere hull. I am > picturing machining a hole in the hull, then inserting a > window housing with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in > the hole and is bolted in place. Can that arrangement act > as reinforcement for the hull. > Hank > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 14:10:14 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 11:10:14 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: <6e034d5a-70d2-405c-b0fb-c73a3a3708c7@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1420917014.63347.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sean, I may be able to on Monday. The sphere was owned by a university and we can contact them to find the manufacturer. Given that is was used as a pressure vessel paid for by a university working on a government project, I have to assume it is good stuff. Not very scientific but a fair assumption at this stage. Luckily it is right in Brian's back yard in California so he was able to look at it and might be able to do some detective work. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02 PM Hank, any chance you can find out what the alloy is? This will have a profound effect on its efficacy. Sean On January 10, 2015 11:51:22 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to make the insert as tight as possible (sweat it in) I am not sure if the difference in material would cause a problem though. The idea of seating the port into the shell a good option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have enough on my plate but it is fun to think about. I was wrong about the size, the sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine that kills the rating quite a bit? Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 1:40 PM You could certainly do that, although a three inch thick shell is pretty substantial - I might consider machining eg. conical window seats in the hull sh! ell directly, and then derating the hull to a depth whereby the actual hull thickness is the effective derated thickness plus the effective reinforcement, which just happens to be a contiguous shell.? The bolt-in arrangement would not act as hull reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the hole. The idea of reinforcements around openings is to provide material around the hole to carry the shell hoop stresses that would otherwise have passed through the material in the opening, such that you don't increase the nominal shell stress. This requires a (relatively) smooth load path to redirect stress around the hole. Brian recently asked me about the effectiveness of reinforcements like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, and this is a bit complicated, because some stress i! s indeed redirected into such a flange, but the load is not evenly distributed as you move inboar! d or outboard away from the hull shell (with diminishing returns at increasing distances), and you also introduce a stress concentration at the perpendicular transition. Ideally, reinforcements should be an effective thickening of the hull in the region immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered smoothly back (something like 4:1) into the hull shell to provide a continuous load path with no stress concentrations at abrupt changes in geometry. Sean On January 10, 2015 8:25:39 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is it feasible to have a bolt in penetration in a 3 inch thick sphere hull. I am picturing machining a hole in the hull, then inserting a window housing with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in the hole and is bolted in place. Can that arrangement act as reinforcement for the hul! l. Hank Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 14:16:22 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 12:16:22 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: <1420917014.63347.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420917014.63347.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <388fa84b-e510-41fe-92bf-31de64fd7b8f@email.android.com> If it is suitable, I presume you're calling dibs? Sean On January 10, 2015 12:10:14 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Sean, >I may be able to on Monday. The sphere was owned by a university and >we can contact them to find the manufacturer. Given that is was used >as a pressure vessel paid for by a university working on a government >project, I have to assume it is good stuff. Not very scientific but a >fair assumption at this stage. Luckily it is right in Brian's back >yard in California so he was able to look at it and might be able to do >some detective work. > >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02 PM > > Hank, any chance you can find out what the alloy > is? This will have a profound effect on its efficacy. > Sean > > > > > On January 10, 2015 > 11:51:22 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Sean, > Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to > make the insert as tight as possible (sweat it in) I am not > sure if the difference in material would cause a problem > though. The idea of seating the port into the shell a good > option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have enough > on my plate but it is fun to think about. I was wrong about > the size, the sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine > that kills the rating quite a bit? > Hank > On Sat, 1/10/15, > Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > bolt in penetration > To: "Personal > Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 1:40 PM > > You could certainly do that, > although a three inch > thick shell is pretty > substantial - I might consider > machining > eg. conical window seats in the hull sh! > ell > directly, and then derating the hull > to a depth whereby the > actual hull > thickness is the effective derated thickness > plus the effective reinforcement, which just > happens to be a > contiguous shell.? The > bolt-in arrangement would not act as > hull > reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the > hole. The idea of reinforcements around > openings is to > provide material around the > hole to carry the shell hoop > stresses that > would otherwise have passed through the > > material in the opening, such that you don't increase > the nominal shell stress. This requires a > (relatively) > smooth load path to redirect > stress around the hole. Brian > recently > asked me about the effectiveness of reinforcements > like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, > and this is a > bit complicated, because some > stress i! > s indeed > > redirected into such a flange, but the load is not evenly > distributed as you move inboar! > d or > outboard away from the > hull shell (with > diminishing returns at increasing > > distances), and you also introduce a stress concentration > at > the perpendicular transition. Ideally, > reinforcements should > be an effective > thickening of the hull in the region > > immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered smoothly > back > (something like 4:1) into the hull > shell to provide a > continuous load path > with no stress concentrations at abrupt > > changes in geometry. > Sean > > > > > > On January 10, 2015 8:25:39 > > AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > Is it feasible to have a > bolt in penetration in a 3 inch thick sphere > hull. I am > picturing machining a hole in > the hull, then inserting a > window housing > with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in > > the hole and is bolted in place. Can that arrangement > act > as reinforcement for the hul! > l. > > Hank > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment > Follows----- > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 14:18:52 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 11:18:52 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: <6e034d5a-70d2-405c-b0fb-c73a3a3708c7@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1420917532.87367.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sean, Another clue that the material is good quality, the man way opening is 16in id and has 16 1.5in dia bolts holding it on. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02 PM Hank, any chance you can find out what the alloy is? This will have a profound effect on its efficacy. Sean On January 10, 2015 11:51:22 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to make the insert as tight as possible (sweat it in) I am not sure if the difference in material would cause a problem though. The idea of seating the port into the shell a good option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have enough on my plate but it is fun to think about. I was wrong about the size, the sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine that kills the rating quite a bit? Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 1:40 PM You could certainly do that, although a three inch thick shell is pretty substantial - I might consider machining eg. conical window seats in the hull sh! ell directly, and then derating the hull to a depth whereby the actual hull thickness is the effective derated thickness plus the effective reinforcement, which just happens to be a contiguous shell.? The bolt-in arrangement would not act as hull reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the hole. The idea of reinforcements around openings is to provide material around the hole to carry the shell hoop stresses that would otherwise have passed through the material in the opening, such that you don't increase the nominal shell stress. This requires a (relatively) smooth load path to redirect stress around the hole. Brian recently asked me about the effectiveness of reinforcements like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, and this is a bit complicated, because some stress i! s indeed redirected into such a flange, but the load is not evenly distributed as you move inboar! d or outboard away from the hull shell (with diminishing returns at increasing distances), and you also introduce a stress concentration at the perpendicular transition. Ideally, reinforcements should be an effective thickening of the hull in the region immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered smoothly back (something like 4:1) into the hull shell to provide a continuous load path with no stress concentrations at abrupt changes in geometry. Sean On January 10, 2015 8:25:39 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is it feasible to have a bolt in penetration in a 3 inch thick sphere hull. I am picturing machining a hole in the hull, then inserting a window housing with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in the hole and is bolted in place. Can that arrangement act as reinforcement for the hul! l. Hank Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 14:19:38 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 11:19:38 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: <388fa84b-e510-41fe-92bf-31de64fd7b8f@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1420917578.59770.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Yes but there two of them. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:16 PM If it is suitable, I presume you're calling dibs? Sean On January 10, 2015 12:10:14 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, I may be able to on Monday. The sphere was owned by a university and we can contact them to find the manufacturer. Given that is was used as a pressure vessel paid for by a university working on a government project, I have to assume it is good stuff. Not very scientific but a fair assumption at this stage. Luckily it is right in Brian's back yard in California so he was able to look at it and might be able to do some detective work. Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02 PM Hank, any chance you can find out what the alloy is? This will have a profound effect on its efficacy. Sean On! January 10, 2015 11:51:22 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to make the insert as tight as possible (sweat it in) I am not sure if the difference in material would cause a problem though. The idea of seating the port into the shell a good option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have enough on my plate but it is fun to think about. I was wrong about the size, the sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine that kills the rating quite a bit? Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015! , 1:40 PM You could certainly do that, although a three inch thick shell is pretty substantial - I might consider machining eg. conical window seats in the hull sh! ell directly, and then derating the hull to a depth whereby the actual hull thickness is the effective derated thickness plus the effective reinforcement, which just happens to be a contiguous shell.? The bolt-in arrangement would not act as hull reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the hole. The idea of reinforcements around openings is to provide material around the hole to carry the shell hoop stresses that would otherwise have passed through the material in the opening, such that you don't increase the nominal shell stress. This requires a (relatively) smooth load path to redirect stress around the hole. Br! ian recently asked me about the effectiveness of reinforcements like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, and this is a bit complicated, because some stress i! s indeed redirected into such a flange, but the load is not evenly distributed as you move inboar! d or outboard away from the hull shell (with diminishing returns at increasing distances), and you also introduce a stress concentration at the perpendicular transition. Ideally, reinforcements should be an effective thickening of the hull in the region immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered smoothly back (something like 4:1) into the hull shell to provide a continuous load path with no stress concentrations at abrupt changes in geometry. Sean On January 10, 2015 8:25:39 ! AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is it feasible to have a bolt in penetration in a 3 inch thick sphere hull. I am picturing machining a hole in the hull, then inserting a window housing with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in the hole and is bolted in place. Can that arrangement act as reinforcement for the hul! l. Hank Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 14:20:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:20:33 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres Message-ID: Sean, I think I am getting the hang of this. The trick when it comes to 516 gr 70 seems to be getting the most boyancy with the biggest sphere, while still hitting 1000m. I now know a 1.25" sphere at 60" will hit 1000m, however is essentually boyant without putting anything in it requireing quite a bit of foam. My next question is would a 72" sphere at 1.25" reach 1000m within ABS requirements? Acording to my math it should be close, but my math is really primitive. If not looks like 60" at 1.25" is what it will have to be.? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/09/2015 10:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres On 2015-01-09 20:56, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote > Sean, > Perhaps I am interperting these wrong. I thought if the pressure at working depth is lower than maximum allowable working pressure then it passes ABS rules. If pressure at working depth is higher than maximum allowable pressure then it does not pass ABS rules. What am I looking for on these? > Thanks, > Scott Waters The solutions I have posted will always show the pressure at working depth and the maximum allowable working pressure as being approximately identical. These are the final values when the solver arrives at a solution, differing only by the discrete nature of the iterative process (adding either 0.0001 m of shell thickness or 0.1 m of working depth on each iteration, depending on the selected mode). Every one of the posted solutions meets the ABS requirements - some just don't meet your desired working depth, or your desired shell thickness. 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:16 PM > > If it is suitable, I presume you're calling > dibs? > Sean > > > > > On January 10, 2015 > 12:10:14 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Sean, > I may be able to on Monday. The sphere was > owned by a university and we can contact them to find the > manufacturer. Given that is was used as a pressure vessel > paid for by a university working on a government project, I > have to assume it is good stuff. Not very scientific but a > fair assumption at this stage. Luckily it is right in > Brian's back yard in California so he was able to look > at it and might be able to do some detective work. > > Hank > On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > bolt in penetration > To: "Personal > Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02 PM > > Hank, any chance you can > find out what the alloy > is? This will have > a profound effect on its efficacy. > Sean > > > > > On! > January > 10, 2015 > 11:51:22 AM MST, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Sean, > > Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to > > make the insert as tight as possible (sweat it in) I am > not > sure if the difference in material > would cause a problem > though. The idea of > seating the port into the shell a good > > option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have > enough > on my plate but it is fun to think > about. I was wrong about > the size, the > sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine > that kills the rating quite a bit? > Hank > On Sat, 1/10/15, > Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > bolt in penetration > To: "Personal > > Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015! > , 1:40 > PM > > You could certainly > do that, > although a three inch > thick shell is pretty > > substantial - I might consider > > machining > eg. conical window seats in the > hull sh! > ell > directly, > and then derating the hull > to a depth > whereby the > actual hull > > thickness is the effective derated thickness > plus the effective reinforcement, which > just > happens to be a > > contiguous shell.? The > bolt-in arrangement > would not act as > hull > > reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the > hole. The idea of reinforcements around > openings is to > provide > material around the > hole to carry the shell > hoop > stresses that > would > otherwise have passed through the > > material in the opening, such that you > don't increase > the nominal shell > stress. This requires a > (relatively) > smooth load path to redirect > > stress around the hole. Br! > ian > recently > asked me > about the effectiveness of reinforcements > > like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, > > and this is a > bit complicated, because > some > stress i! > s > indeed > > redirected into > such a flange, but the load is not evenly > > distributed as you move inboar! > d or > outboard away from the > hull > shell (with > diminishing returns at > increasing > > distances), > and you also introduce a stress concentration > at > the perpendicular > transition. Ideally, > reinforcements > should > be an effective > > thickening of the hull in the region > > immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered > smoothly > back > (something > like 4:1) into the hull > shell to provide > a > continuous load path > > with no stress concentrations at abrupt > > changes in geometry. > Sean > > > > > > On > January 10, 2015 8:25:39 > ! > > > AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > Is it feasible to > have a > bolt in penetration in a 3 inch > thick sphere > hull. I am > > picturing machining a hole in > the hull, > then inserting a > window housing > with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in > > the hole and is bolted in > place. Can that arrangement > act > as reinforcement for the hul! > l. > > Hank > > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment > Follows----- > > > Personal_Submersibles > mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment > Follows----- > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:16 PM If it is suitable, I presume you're calling dibs? Sean On January 10, 2015 12:10:14 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, I may be able to on Monday. The sphere was owned by a university and we can contact them to find the manufacturer. Given that is was used as a pressure vessel paid for by a university working on a government project, I have to assume it is good stuff. Not very scientific but a fair assumption at! this stage. Luckily it is right in Brian's back yard in California so he was able to look at it and might be able to do some detective work. Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02 PM Hank, any chance you can find out what the alloy is? This will have a profound effect on its efficacy. Sean On! January 10, 2015 11:51:22 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to make the insert as t! ight as possible (sweat it in) I am not sure if the difference in material would cause a problem though. The idea of seating the port into the shell a good option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have enough on my plate but it is fun to think about. I was wrong about the size, the sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine that kills the rating quite a bit? Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015! , 1:40 PM You could certainly do that, although a three inch thick shell is pretty ! substantial - I might consider machining eg. conical window seats in the hull sh! ell directly, and then derating the hull to a depth whereby the actual hull thickness is the effective derated thickness plus the effective reinforcement, which just happens to be a contiguous shell.? The bolt-in arrangement would not act as hull reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the hole. The idea of reinforcements around openings is to provide material around the hole to carry the shell hoop stresses that would otherwise have passed through the material in the opening, such that you don't increase the nominal shell stress. This requires a (relatively) smooth load path to redirect stress around the hol! e. Br! ian recently asked me about the effectiveness of reinforcements like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, and this is a bit complicated, because some stress i! s indeed redirected into such a flange, but the load is not evenly distributed as you move inboar! d or outboard away from the hull shell (with diminishing returns at increasing distances), and you also introduce a stress concentration at the perpendicular transition. Ideally, reinforcements should be an effective thickening of the hull in the region immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered smoothly back (something like 4:1) into the hull shell to provide a continuous load path with no stress concentrations at abrupt changes in geometry. Sean On January 10, 2015 8:25:39 ! AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is it feasible to have a bolt in penetration in a 3 inch thick sphere hull. I am picturing machining a hole in the hull, then inserting a window housing with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in the hole and is bolted in place. Can that arrangement act as reinforcement for the hul! l. Hank Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 15:15:17 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 13:15:17 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: <1420919666.93656.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420919666.93656.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If the university doesn't have the info, it should at least be traceable. All vessels built to ASME Section VIII Division 1 require a nameplate that will list the manufacturer, serial number, etc. Failing that, metallurgical tests are possible, but a bit more involved. Sean On January 10, 2015 12:54:26 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >Sean, >Is there a on site test that can be done to determine the alloy? >Hank >-------------------------------------------- >On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:46 PM > > Parallel projects... Sister subs... Could be > fun. > Sean > > > > > On January 10, 2015 > 12:19:38 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Yes but > there two of them. > Hank > On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > bolt in penetration > To: "Personal > Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:16 PM > > If it is suitable, I presume > you're calling > dibs? > > Sean > > > > > > On January 10, 2015 > 12:10:14 PM MST, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Sean, > I may > be able to on Monday. The sphere was > owned > by a university and we can contact them to find the > manufacturer. Given that is was used as a > pressure vessel > paid for by a university > working on a government project, I > have to > assume it is good stuff. Not very scientific but a > fair assumption at! > this > stage. Luckily it is right in > Brian's > back yard in California so he was able to look > at it and might be able to do some detective > work. > > Hank > On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > bolt in penetration > To: "Personal > > Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02 > PM > > Hank, any chance you > can > find out what the alloy > is? This will have > a > profound effect on its efficacy. > Sean > > > > > On! > > January > 10, 2015 > 11:51:22 > AM MST, hank pronk via > > Personal_Submersibles > > > wrote: > > Sean, > > > Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was > to > > make the insert as t! > ight as > possible (sweat it in) I am > not > sure if the difference in material > would cause a problem > > though. The idea of > seating the port into > the shell a good > > option > also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have > enough > on my plate but it is > fun to think > about. I was wrong about > the size, the > sphere is 6 > feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine > that > kills the rating quite a bit? > Hank > On Sat, 1/10/15, > Sean T. > Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles > > > > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > bolt in > penetration > To: "Personal > > Submersibles General > Discussion" > > > > > > Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015! > , 1:40 > PM > > > You could certainly > do > that, > although a three inch > thick shell is pretty > ! > > > substantial - I might consider > > machining > eg. conical window > seats in the > hull sh! > > ell > directly, > and then > derating the hull > to a depth > whereby the > actual hull > > thickness is the effective > derated thickness > plus the effective > reinforcement, which > just > > happens to be a > > > contiguous shell.? The > bolt-in > arrangement > would not act as > hull > > > reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the > hole. The idea of reinforcements around > openings is to > provide > material around the > hole to > carry the shell > hoop > > stresses that > would > > otherwise have passed through the > > material in the opening, such that you > don't increase > the > nominal shell > stress. This requires a > (relatively) > smooth load > path to redirect > > stress > around the hol! > e. > Br! > ian > recently > asked me > about the > effectiveness of reinforcements > > like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, > > and this is a > bit complicated, because > > some > stress i! > s > indeed > > > redirected into > such a flange, but the load > is not evenly > > > distributed as you move inboar! > d or > outboard away from the > > hull > shell (with > > diminishing returns at > increasing > > distances), > and you also introduce a stress > concentration > at > the > perpendicular > transition. Ideally, > reinforcements > should > be an effective > > thickening of the hull in the region > > immediately adjacent to > the opening, tapered > smoothly > back > (something > like 4:1) into the hull > > shell to provide > a > > continuous load path > > with > no stress > concentrations at abrupt > > > changes in geometry. > Sean > > > > > > > On > January 10, 2015 8:25:39 > ! > > > AM MST, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > > > > wrote: > Is it feasible to > > have a > bolt in penetration in a 3 inch > thick sphere > hull. I am > > picturing machining a hole > in > the hull, > then > inserting a > window housing > with a shoulder(flange) that fits tight in > > the hole and is bolted > in > place. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 10 15:39:12 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 12:39:12 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1420922352.47665.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sean, I had Brian look for a plate and there is none. I will start by trying to find the manufacturer through the university on Monday. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 3:15 PM If the university doesn't have the info, it should at least be traceable. All vessels built to ASME Section VIII Division 1 require a nameplate that will list the manufacturer, serial number, etc. Failing that, metallurgical tests are possible, but a bit more involved. Sean On January 10, 2015 12:54:26 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, Is there a on site test that can be done to determine the alloy? Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:46 PM Parallel projects... Sister subs... Could be fun. Sean On January 10, 2015 12:19:38 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Yes but there two of them. Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:16 PM If it is suitable, I presume you're calling dibs? Sean On January 10, 2015 12:10:14 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, I may be able to on Monday. The sphere was owned by a university and we can contact them to find the manufacturer. Given that is was used as a pressure vessel paid for by a university working on a government project, I have to assume it is good stuff. Not very scientific but a fair assumption at! this stage. Luckily it is right in Brian's back yard in California so he was able to look at it and might be able to do some detective work. Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02 PM Hank, any chance you can find out what the alloy is? This will have a profound effect on its efficacy. Sean On! January 10, 2015 11:51:22 AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to make the insert as t! ight as possible (sweat it in) I a! m not sure if the difference in material would cause a problem though. The idea of seating the port into the shell a good option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have enough on my plate but it is fun to think about. I was wrong about the size, the sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine that kills the rating quite a bit? Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015! , 1:40 PM You could certainly! do that, although a three inch thick shell is pretty ! substantial - I might consider machining eg. conical window seats in the hull sh! ell directly, and then derating the hull to a depth whereby the actual hull thickness is the effective derated thickness plus the effective reinforcement, which just happens to be a contiguous shell.? The bolt-in arrangement would not act as hull reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the hole. The idea of reinforcements around openings is to provide material around the hole to carry the shell hoop stresses that would otherwise have passed through the material in the opening, such that you don't increase the nominal shell stress. This requires a (relatively) smooth load path to redirect stress around the hol! e. Br! ian recently asked me about the effectiveness of reinforcements like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, and this is a bit complicated, because some stress i! s indeed redirected into such a flange, but the load is not evenly distributed as you move inboar! d or outboard away from the hull shell (with diminishing returns at increasing distances), and you also introduce a stress concentration at the perpendicular transition. Ideally, reinforcements should be an effective thickening of the hull in the region immediately adjacent to the opening, tapered smoothly back (something like 4:1) into the hull shell to provide a continuous load path with no stress concentrations at abrupt changes in geometry. Sean On January 10, 2015 8:25:39 ! AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is it feasible to have a bolt in penetration in a 3 inch thick sphere hull. I am picturing machining a hole in the hull, then inserting a window housing with a shoulder! (flange) that fits tight in the hole and is bolted in place. Can that arrangement act as reinforcement for the hul! l. 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There may be markings on the sphere.If it fails hydro tests for internal pressure does that necessarilymean that it would be weaker when undergoing external pressure?Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration Sean, I had Brian look for a plate and there is none.? I will start by trying to find the manufacturer through the university on Monday. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 3:15 PM If the university doesn't have the info, it should at least be traceable. All vessels built to ASME Section VIII Division 1 require a nameplate that will list the manufacturer, serial number, etc. Failing that, metallurgical tests are possible, but a bit more involved. Sean On January 10, 2015 12:54:26 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sean, Is there a on site test that can be done to determine the alloy?? Hank On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:46 PM ? ? Parallel projects... Sister subs... Could be ? fun. Sean ? ? ? ? On January 10, 2015 ? 12:19:38 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Yes but there two of them. ? Hank ? On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ? bolt in penetration ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:16 PM ? ? If it is suitable, I presume ? you're calling ? dibs? ? ? Sean ? ? ? ? ? ? On January 10, 2015 ? 12:10:14 PM MST, hank pronk via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? Sean, ? I may ? be able to on Monday.? The sphere was ? owned ? by a university and we can contact them to find the ? manufacturer.? Given that is was used as a pressure vessel ? paid for by a university ? working on a government project, I ? have to ? assume it is good stuff.? Not very scientific but a ? fair assumption at! ? ? this stage.? Luckily it is right in ? Brian's ? back yard in California so he was able to look ? at it and might be able to do some detective ? work. ? Hank ? On Sat, 1/10/15, Sean T. Stevenson via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? ? Subject: Re: ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] ? bolt in penetration ? ? To: "Personal ? ? Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? ? Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015, 2:02 ? PM ? ? ? ? Hank, any chance you ? can ? find out what the alloy ? is? This will have ? a profound effect on its efficacy. ? ? Sean ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? On! ? ? January ? 10, 2015 ? ? 11:51:22 ? AM MST, hank pronk via ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? wrote: ? ? ? ? Sean, ? ? ? Thank you, that is helpful.? My idea was ? to ? ? make the insert as t! ? ight as ? possible (sweat it in)? I a! ? m ? not ? ? sure if the difference in material ? would cause a problem ? ? though. The idea of ? seating the port into ? the shell a good ? ? option also.? I am just chewing the fat here, I have ? enough ? ? on my plate but it is ? fun to think ? about.? I was wrong about ? ? the size, the ? sphere is 6 ? feet and I wrote 60 in.? I imagine ? ? that kills the rating quite a bit? ? ? Hank ? ? On Sat, 1/10/15, ? ? Sean T. ? Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? wrote: ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: ? [PSUBS-MAILIST] ? ? bolt in ? penetration ? ? To: "Personal ? ? Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? ? ? ? ? Received: Saturday, January 10, 2015! ? ? , 1:40 ? PM ? ? ? ? ? You could certainly! ? ? do ? that, ? ? although a three inch ? ? thick shell is pretty ? ! ? ? ? substantial - I might consider ? ? ? machining ? ? eg. conical window ? seats in the ? hull sh! ? ? ? ell ? ? directly, ? and then ? derating the hull ? ? to a depth ? whereby the ? ? actual hull ? ? thickness is the effective derated thickness ? ? plus the effective ? reinforcement, which ? just ? ? happens to be a ? ? ? contiguous shell.? The ? ? bolt-in ? arrangement ? would not act as ? ? hull ? ? ? reinforcement though - unless it was a force fit in the ? ? hole. The idea of reinforcements around ? openings is to ? ? provide ? material around the ? ? hole to ? carry the shell ? hoop ? ? ? stresses that ? ? would ? otherwise have passed through the ? ? ? material in the opening, such that you ? don't increase ? ? the nominal shell ? stress. This requires a ? ? (relatively) ? ? smooth load ? path to redirect ? ? stress ? around the hol! ? e. ? Br! ? ian ? ? recently ? ? asked me ? about the effectiveness of reinforcements ? ? ? like perpendicular flanges lining the hole, ? ? and this is a ? ? bit complicated, because ? some ? ? stress i! ? ? ? s ? indeed ? ? ? redirected into ? such a flange, but the load ? is not evenly ? ? ? ? distributed as you move inboar! ? ? d or ? ? outboard away from the ? ? ? hull ? shell (with ? ? diminishing returns at ? increasing ? ? ? distances), ? and you also introduce a stress ? concentration ? at ? ? the ? perpendicular ? transition. Ideally,? reinforcements ? should ? ? be an effective ? ? thickening of the hull in the region ? ? ? ? immediately adjacent to ? the opening, tapered ? smoothly ? back ? ? (something ? like 4:1) into the hull ? ? shell to provide ? a ? ? ? continuous load path ? ? with ? no stress ? concentrations at abrupt ? ? ? changes in geometry. ? ? Sean ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? On ? January 10, 2015 8:25:39 ? ! ? ? ? ? AM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? ? wrote: ? ? Is it feasible to ? ? have a ? ? bolt in penetration in a 3 inch ? thick sphere ? ? hull.? I am ? ? ? picturing machining a hole ? in ? ? the hull, ? then ? inserting a ? ? window housing ? ? with a shoulder! ? (flange) that fits tight in ? ? ? the hole and is bolted ? in ? place.? Can that arrangement ? ? act ? ? as reinforcement for ? the hul! ? ? l. ? ? ? ? Hank ? ? ? ? ? ? Personal_Submersibles ? mailing list ? ? ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? ? -----Inline Attachment ? Follows----- ? ? ? ? ? ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? mailing list ? ? ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? ? -----Inline Attachment ? 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 19:22:04 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bolt in penetration In-Reply-To: <1420915882.45216.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1420915882.45216.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54B1DE4C.8040102@telus.net> On 2015-01-10 11:51, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Sean, > Thank you, that is helpful. My idea was to make the insert as tight as possible (sweat it in) I am not sure if the difference in material would cause a problem though. The idea of seating the port into the shell a good option also. I am just chewing the fat here, I have enough on my plate but it is fun to think about. I was wrong about the size, the sphere is 6 feet and I wrote 60 in. I imagine that kills the rating quite a bit? Not that much, although these results are for 6061-T6, which is probably unlikely. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With prints 2.5 times larger than any other desktop prosumer and hobbyist printer (11.2" x 10.6" x 9.06" or 285.4mm x 270.4mm x 230mm) with ultra high-resolution settings of 70-micron thin print layers, professional quality printing has never been so large or easy." Regards, David Widman Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Mark via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi David, > > Not sure off the top of my head but you can look at 3Dsystems.com or Cubify.com and see the specs. We have a new 3 color CubePro Trio. > > Regards, > > David Widman > > Sent from iPhone. > >> On Jan 10, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Seaquestor via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hi David, What are the physical dimension limitations with your printer? >> Best Regards, >> David Colombo >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Mark via Personal_Submersibles >> Date: 01/10/2015 5:14 AM (GMT-08:00) >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Cc: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >> >> We recently acquired a new 3D printer from 3D Systems (Cube Pro Trio) that's able print just shy of 1 cubic foot. We can print in ABS, PLA and Nylon. >> >> For just the cost of material, we would be glad to print the 3D Scubber parts for anyone that is interested. You would just need to provide the design files. >> >> Regards, >> >> David Widman >> >> Sent from iPhone. >> >>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> I printed these in ABS. Haven't been printing for a while now but about to re-start. I keep the printing for the coldest days in winter, so I can still make progress when its too cold to work in the unheated garage. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 2:01 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Alex, Great Design!! What type of material are you using in your 3d printer? >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> David Colombo >>>> >>>> 804 College Ave >>>> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >>>> (707) 536-1424 >>>> www.SeaQuestor.com >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> Oh I forgot the second question. No cartridge, I just pour in the material. Always outside the sub, barring an emergency, because filling it makes a lot of dust. >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>> Hi Alec, That is very sexy. Looks smart. How does the mouthpiece work? Sucking from the filter or blowing in reverse. How easy to refill? Are you making a cartridge of just pouring the media in between? Regards, Hugh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 November 2014 12:16 p.m. >>>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Roberto, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Snoopy uses a scrubber made from what I think you are referring to. It is an odor reducing scrubber for building ventilation, although modified to hold much finer material and of course with the addition of a fan. I have a project page for the scrubbers that are going into the new sub, which are 3D printed. But the first photo is of Snoopy's scrubber. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/printedscrubber/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Alec >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> Go to psubs.org and then design tools then life support and you can read all about CO2 scrubbers. You can also buy one from airsearch (Emile) I am not sure about the filter you mention but I can say that the blower you mention will be very loud inside your submarine. I have a boat blower in my sub for cooling and venting when I am at the surface. The blower works great but is real noisy, so it is okay for short periods of time. >>>>>> Hank-------------------------------------------- >>>>>> On Sat, 11/8/14, roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] air filter? >>>>>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> Received: Saturday, November 8, 2014, 12:53 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, i found a >>>>>> video about an room airfilter and describes how the zeonite >>>>>> sand acts removing the N2, then i look at a boat blower ( >>>>>> attwod sealed 300 cfm 12 v ), will this in junction with the >>>>>> fridge filter with zeonite, can this be a good cabin >>>>>> filtration system? >>>>>> the Co2 , how can be removed? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10692 (20141108) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 10693 (20141108) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 11 13:09:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:09:02 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: <54B20BF1.3070209@telus.net> References: <54B20BF1.3070209@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi Sean, Couple of questions. Is the net payload capacity in kg, the amount that would make the sphere neutral buoyant? what FOS is the rating? Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > On 2015-01-10 12:20, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > My next question is would a 72" sphere at 1.25" reach 1000m within ABS > requirements? > > Nope. See below: > > > > To make 1000 m with a 72" sphere, the shell would have to be almost 1-1/2": > > > > Keep in mind too that these are the ABS minimums, and a greater safety > factor is probably prudent - particularly for a home builder. > > Sean > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: agcdcieg.png Type: image/png Size: 53471 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gagechhg.png Type: image/png Size: 54777 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 11 14:56:21 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 12:56:21 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Calc: 78" spheres In-Reply-To: References: <54B20BF1.3070209@telus.net> Message-ID: <54B2D565.4030902@telus.net> On 2015-01-11 11:09, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Sean, Couple of questions. Is the net payload capacity in kg, the > amount that would make the sphere neutral buoyant? what FOS is the rating? > > Best Regards, > David Colombo Exactly. The payload capacity shows how much mass can be added inside the sphere before it becomes neutral in (in this example) 1025 kg/m^3 seawater. The software was written to use the equations prescribed in the "ABS Rules for Building and Classing Underwater Vehicles, Systems and Hyperbaric Facilities" (2014). The factor of safety in that example is given by the usage factor eta, prescribed by ABS as 0.67 for spherical shells under external pressure (Section 6/23.3). This means that the maximum allowable working pressure is 0.67 times the critical or sphere limit pressure. While this is the absolute minimum factor of safety acceptable by the rules, additional margin should probably be added by the designer. I should also add that the weight and buoyancy calculations in the posted images make no accommodation for corrosion allowance (Section 6/13). This is a change that I have made in the most recent revision of the program, to add material to the outer diameter which is ignored by the strength calcs but taken into consideration for the weight and buoyancy numbers. Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 11 19:23:20 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 00:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor In-Reply-To: <1613700278.9876873.1421022106403.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1841477895.9877451.1421022200102.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Is there a reason I should go with a?brushless motor?? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more expensive.? Is there an email thread on this already?? Has this been a topic of discussion in the past? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 11 20:01:59 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 01:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor In-Reply-To: <1841477895.9877451.1421022200102.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1841477895.9877451.1421022200102.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1009026108.377090.1421024519171.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10073.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi,not sure who I am talking to, but the brushless motors put out a lot lesselectronic noise, so less interferance with sensitive equipment.They don't wear out as quickly, as they don't have brushes, & you get more power?for the same size unit. About 7 out of 8 thruster manufacturers use BLDC motors.There are a host of cheap motors at "Hobby King" With 785 Watt motors for $25-http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__522__517__Electric_Motors-45_to_50mm.htmlYou need an esc (electronic speed controller ) which costs about $50-.The escs normally work off a receiver sending them commands from the remote control transmitter.However there are control units you can buy that are wired straight to the esc.I ?am experimenting with BLDC motors at the moment & are wanting to make up a thruster.Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Is there a reason I should go with a?brushless motor?? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more expensive.? Is there an email thread on this already?? Has this been a topic of discussion in the past? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 01:07:22 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor In-Reply-To: <1009026108.377090.1421024519171.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10073.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1841477895.9877451.1421022200102.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <1009026108.377090.1421024519171.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10073.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1472385142.9983743.1421042842875.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Alan, ? Thank you for your reply.? My name is Bob Travis.? I don't know how to make my name show up on my emails like the rest of the group and I apologize for not signing my question.? I have watched the threads for years now and I met some of you at the Psubs convention in Washington this last year (I was the one that no one was expecting).? But for the?most part, I have just watched, read?and?attempted to learn.?? ? A little background...? I started dreaming about a sub in 2005.? My wife (aka.. the read head) gave me permission to proceed, but of course, has occasionally put up some road blocks which has delayed things a bit.? I started the actual construction a little over 5 years ago.? I have studied Trustworthy, Persistence and Guernsey Submarine as well as?snoopy and some of the?other boats on the site?and have gained great a great bit of knowledge and direction.? I have also learned an amazing amount from reading the threads from the group.? ? About me...? I am the?quiet one that sits in the back?of the class not wanting any attention. I have a huge problem with putting myself out there.??I live in Eastern Washington and I am building a K-350...... and, because of the above, have not posted my project pictures on the site.? I keep thinking that I am going to do this but I just haven't taken the time (or built up the nerve).? I am a pencil pusher.? I don't have a mechanical bone in my body!? So some of the most basic things are very difficult for me to get my arms around.? Want to negotiate a $500,000 deal, I'm your guy!? Want to hook up an electrical panel... Ahhhhhhh??????????? I have made almost all of my structural parts, have had them welded and am now working on my electrical and have not a clue what I am doing at this point.? I am struggling with some of the most basic items (like finding the correct ampere meter) and for some reason have a mental block on how to proceed.? I really appreciate your response and will follow the link! ? I am at the point where the red head has told me to "get that stupid thing done" and I am not going to question it!? With her recent permission, I have a renewed energy?level and will be doing what ever possible so that I am?testing in August!? So with that said, I am going to be asking a bunch of very basic, stupid questions!? I will do my best to go back through the archives as to not bog the group down with previous topics. ? Hank... Any chance you will be making a journey to Spokane any time soon??? ? Thanks again everybody!!!? And with your help, and a little luck, I will be dragging my boat to the next Psubs convention on the east coats so you all can teach me how to dive it! ? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 5:01:59 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Hi, not sure who I am talking to, but the brushless motors put out a lot less electronic noise, so less interferance with sensitive equipment. They don't wear out as quickly, as they don't have brushes, & you get more power? for the same size unit. About 7 out of 8 thruster manufacturers use BLDC motors. There are a host of cheap motors at "Hobby King" With 785 Watt motors for $25- http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__522__517__Electric_Motors-45_to_50mm.html You need an esc (electronic speed controller ) which costs about $50-. The escs normally work off a receiver sending them commands from the remote control transmitter. However there are control units you can buy that are wired straight to the esc. I ?am experimenting with BLDC motors at the moment & are wanting to make up a thruster. Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Is there a reason I should go with a?brushless motor?? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more expensive.? Is there an email thread on this already?? Has this been a topic of discussion in the past? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bobs sub.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 173324 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 03:57:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor In-Reply-To: <1472385142.9983743.1421042842875.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1472385142.9983743.1421042842875.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <468463820.457560.1421053068717.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10084.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Bob,yes I remember you from Washington.I am the guy from New Zealand with the funny accent.A lot of people on site are using Minn Kotta trolling motors.A number of people have recently purchased Minn Kota 101swith the Minn Kota controller. If you went that route you wouldhave a lot of help, & the Minn kotas are a tried & true solution.I am not sure what the consensus is on compensating them.I am intending to oil compensate my home made thrusters,mainly to help disipate the heat; & will pressurize the oil with air,slightly above ambient.IVC in Vancouver sell thruster assemblies for $2,195- each.http://www.ivccorp.com/content.html?page=2 I can't tell you what the assembly comprises.Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Alan, ?Thank you for your reply.? My name is Bob Travis.? I don't know how to make my name show up on my emails like the rest of the group and I apologize for not signing my question.? I have watched the threads for years now and I met some of you at the Psubs convention in Washington this last year (I was the one that no one was expecting).? But for the?most part, I have just watched, read?and?attempted to learn.???A little background...? I started dreaming about a sub in 2005.? My wife (aka.. the read head) gave me permission to proceed, but of course, has occasionally put up some road blocks which has delayed things a bit.? I started the actual construction a little over 5 years ago.? I have studied Trustworthy, Persistence and Guernsey Submarine as well as?snoopy and some of the?other boats on the site?and have gained great a great bit of knowledge and direction.? I have also learned an amazing amount from reading the threads from the group.? ?About me...? I am the?quiet one that sits in the back?of the class not wanting any attention. I have a huge problem with putting myself out there.??I live in Eastern Washington and I am building a K-350...... and, because of the above, have not posted my project pictures on the site.? I keep thinking that I am going to do this but I just haven't taken the time (or built up the nerve).? I am a pencil pusher.? I don't have a mechanical bone in my body!? So some of the most basic things are very difficult for me to get my arms around.? Want to negotiate a $500,000 deal, I'm your guy!? Want to hook up an electrical panel... Ahhhhhhh??????????? I have made almost all of my structural parts, have had them welded and am now working on my electrical and have not a clue what I am doing at this point.? I am struggling with some of the most basic items (like finding the correct ampere meter) and for some reason have a mental block on how to proceed.? I really appreciate your response and will follow the link!?I am at the point where the red head has told me to "get that stupid thing done" and I am not going to question it!? With her recent permission, I have a renewed energy?level and will be doing what ever possible so that I am?testing in August!? So with that said, I am going to be asking a bunch of very basic, stupid questions!? I will do my best to go back through the archives as to not bog the group down with previous topics.?Hank... Any chance you will be making a journey to Spokane any time soon????Thanks again everybody!!!? And with your help, and a little luck, I will be dragging my boat to the next Psubs convention on the east coats so you all can teach me how to dive it!?Bob From: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 5:01:59 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Hi,not sure who I am talking to, but the brushless motors put out a lot lesselectronic noise, so less interferance with sensitive equipment.They don't wear out as quickly, as they don't have brushes, & you get more power?for the same size unit. About 7 out of 8 thruster manufacturers use BLDC motors.There are a host of cheap motors at "Hobby King" With 785 Watt motors for $25-http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__522__517__Electric_Motors-45_to_50mm.htmlYou need an esc (electronic speed controller ) which costs about $50-.The escs normally work off a receiver sending them commands from the remote control transmitter.However there are control units you can buy that are wired straight to the esc.I ?am experimenting with BLDC motors at the moment & are wanting to make up a thruster.Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Is there a reason I should go with a?brushless motor?? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more expensive.? Is there an email thread on this already?? 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I have been thinking of maybe using one or two minnkotas. Any thoughts and ideas are much appreciated. Take a look at the attached sketch, I hope it?s understandable. Cheers, Lasse Schmidt Crashdive.se [cid:BC93872B-9D8B-410E-8EBF-5E921153FBC9 at lan] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: malen-thruster-sketch.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 39883 bytes Desc: malen-thruster-sketch.jpg URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 07:53:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 04:53:02 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor In-Reply-To: <1472385142.9983743.1421042842875.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1421067182.38706.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bob, I was wondering what happened to you. I can most certainly make a trip down to give a hand if your stuck. I can take my bride down for some shopping :-) Email me at hankpronk at live.ca and we can set it up for next weekend. I have been wanting to see what you doing. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor To: "submersibles, personal" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 1:07 AM Alan, ? Thank you for your reply.? My name is Bob Travis.? I don't know how to make my name show up on my emails like the rest of the group and I apologize for not signing my question.? I have watched the threads for years now and I met some of you at the Psubs convention in Washington this last year (I was the one that no one was expecting).? But for the?most part, I have just watched, read?and?attempted to learn.?? ? A little background...? I started dreaming about a sub in 2005.? My wife (aka.. the read head) gave me permission to proceed, but of course, has occasionally put up some road blocks which has delayed things a bit.? I started the actual construction a little over 5 years ago.? I have studied Trustworthy, Persistence and Guernsey Submarine as well as?snoopy and some of the?other boats on the site?and have gained great a great bit of knowledge and direction.? I have also learned an amazing amount from reading the threads from the group.? ? About me...? I am the?quiet one that sits in the back?of the class not wanting any attention. I have a huge problem with putting myself out there.??I live in Eastern Washington and I am building a K-350...... and, because of the above, have not posted my project pictures on the site.? I keep thinking that I am going to do this but I just haven't taken the time (or built up the nerve).? I am a pencil pusher.? I don't have a mechanical bone in my body!? So some of the most basic things are very difficult for me to get my arms around.? Want to negotiate a $500,000 deal, I'm your guy!? Want to hook up an electrical panel... Ahhhhhhh??????????? I have made almost all of my structural parts, have had them welded and am now working on my electrical and have not a clue what I am doing at this point.? I am struggling with some of the most basic items (like finding the correct ampere meter) and for some reason have a mental block on how to proceed.? I really appreciate your response and will follow the link! ? I am at the point where the red head has told me to "get that stupid thing done" and I am not going to question it!? With her recent permission, I have a renewed energy?level and will be doing what ever possible so that I am?testing in August!? So with that said, I am going to be asking a bunch of very basic, stupid questions!? I will do my best to go back through the archives as to not bog the group down with previous topics. ? Hank... Any chance you will be making a journey to Spokane any time soon??? ? Thanks again everybody!!!? And with your help, and a little luck, I will be dragging my boat to the next Psubs convention on the east coats so you all can teach me how to dive it! ? Bob From: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 5:01:59 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Hi, not sure who I am talking to, but the brushless motors put out a lot less electronic noise, so less interferance with sensitive equipment. They don't wear out as quickly, as they don't have brushes, & you get more power? for the same size unit. About 7 out of 8 thruster manufacturers use BLDC motors. There are a host of cheap motors at "Hobby King" With 785 Watt motors for $25- http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__522__517__Electric_Motors-45_to_50mm.html You need an esc (electronic speed controller ) which costs about $50-. The escs normally work off a receiver sending them commands from the remote control transmitter. However there are control units you can buy that are wired straight to the esc. I ?am experimenting with BLDC motors at the moment & are wanting to make up a thruster. Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Is there a reason I should go with a?brushless motor?? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more expensive.? Is there an email thread on this already?? Has this been a topic of discussion in the past? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 09:21:20 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:21:20 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam Message-ID: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 09:35:17 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 06:35:17 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam In-Reply-To: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Hi Scott, Here is a link to a synfoam site . http://synfoam.com/synfoam-mw-low-cost-deep-sea-syntactic-foam.html Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:21 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Can someone give me the basics on syntactic foam? > > *What is the buoyancy per cubic inch? > > *How do you shape it? > > *How much does it cost? > > *Where do you get it? > > I essentially have no experience with it what so ever. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 09:34:41 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Clifford Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:34:41 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam In-Reply-To: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <8358536E-78CC-469C-BB8D-E8B81901686F@sbcglobal.net> Scott See Psubs.org section on buoyancy control. There is a presentation I gave a few years back that will answer some of your questions. Cliff Redus > On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:21 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Can someone give me the basics on syntactic foam? > > *What is the buoyancy per cubic inch? > > *How do you shape it? > > *How much does it cost? > > *Where do you get it? > > I essentially have no experience with it what so ever. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 09:54:40 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 07:54:40 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam In-Reply-To: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <8fadb915-1049-45a1-882d-10b90d834ea5@email.android.com> On January 12, 2015 7:21:20 AM MST, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >Can someone give me the basics on syntactic foam? > > > >*What is the buoyancy per cubic inch? This is variable, and depends on both the matrix material and the reinforcement. Typically, it is hollow glass microspheres in an epoxy matrix. "Foam" is a physical description - the stuff is typically denser than wood. In this case, the size of the glass spheres dictates the finished density, and you may use more than one size of sphere. You want to design a foam that will have mechanical properties to stand up to the design working depth, while otherwise keeping the density as low as possible. Deeper foams are denser foams. >*How do you shape it? Syntactic foam is cast, so you either create a mold and pour the uncured mixture in, or you cast large blocks and cut or shape them afterward. >*How much does it cost? > > > >*Where do you get it? I'll leave these questions for someone with more recent experience with syntactic. Also, check the psubs site for Cliff Redus' presentation on making foam for the R300. Sean From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 09:58:27 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 03:58:27 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam In-Reply-To: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Scott, there was a booth at U.I. last year promoting syntactic foam. The deeper you go the smaller the spheres & the higher the price. U.I. New Orleans is on Feb 10 th. http://www.underwaterintervention.com Alan Sent from my iPad > On 13/01/2015, at 3:21 am, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Can someone give me the basics on syntactic foam? > > *What is the buoyancy per cubic inch? > > *How do you shape it? > > *How much does it cost? > > *Where do you get it? > > I essentially have no experience with it what so ever. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 10:52:38 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 23:52:38 +0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam In-Reply-To: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150112072120.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a695cb5b86.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <54B3EDC6.4000602@archivale.com> Syntactic foam is something you cast in place yourself, out of a slurry of microballoons and resin. That being the case, density depends on the particular "recipe" that you use. Buoyancy of course is the difference between its density and that of the surrounding water. Marc On 1/12/2015 10:21 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Can someone give me the basics on syntactic foam? > *What is the buoyancy per cubic inch? > *How do you shape it? > *How much does it cost? > *Where do you get it? > I essentially have no experience with it what so ever. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 10:59:52 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:59:52 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam Message-ID: <20150112085952.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9294dd2161.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I already downloaded ASME PVHO-1-2007 standard, and I decided to go with spherical sector with conical edge viewport. I finished all of the calculations but ran into problems with sealing arrangement and retaining ring on this type of window. I don't know how to arrange seals, and the picture in standard is not very informative, so any kind of help will be precious Kind regards, Petar Topljak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 11:26:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:26:26 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Vertical Thruster In-Reply-To: <018F9E1C-F3A0-40E0-A92B-FBE72EB9267C@upplevelsepresent.se> Message-ID: Not really efficient but possible. The good point that the thrusters is far from the bottom. Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: maandag 12 januari 2015 10:29 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Vertical Thruster Hey guys, When talking about motors, I have som thoughts about making a smaller modification to my sub. I?m thinking of putting a vertical thruster, hidden behind the tower of Malen. Malen does?t have a vertical thruster and it would make manoeuvring a lot easier. I hope it can be done without messing up the look of the sub, which is important. My idea is to suck water just behind the hatch, and let the water leave downwards and exhaust from the both sides of the tower. The actual jet can not go straight down due to the design of the tower, is that a superproblem? Another important question is, what thruster is good for the job? I have been thinking of maybe using one or two minnkotas. Any thoughts and ideas are much appreciated. Take a look at the attached sketch, I hope it?s understandable. Cheers, Lasse Schmidt Crashdive.se -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 15764 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 11:37:19 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:37:19 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Petar, Welcome. I made an number of submersible dives near Cavtat; great! In the book "handbook of acrylics" by Jerry Stachiw are also sealing and retaining options described. The book is expensive . So the library or scans might be an option. Regards, Emile van Essen _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Petar Topljak via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: maandag 12 januari 2015 17:10 Aan: Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greetings Hi everyone, My name is Petar and I am a mechanical engineering student from Croatia. I was informed about this maillist by James from England who built his own submersible. I have a project for my uni, where I have to design acrylic viewport. I already downloaded ASME PVHO-1-2007 standard, and I decided to go with spherical sector with conical edge viewport. I finished all of the calculations but ran into problems with sealing arrangement and retaining ring on this type of window. I don't know how to arrange seals, and the picture in standard is not very informative, so any kind of help will be precious Kind regards, Petar Topljak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 12:18:23 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Petar Topljak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 18:18:23 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for a quick response Emile. Sadly, this book is not avalible in any library known to me in Croatia. Regards, Petar Topljak Dana 12. 1. 2015. 17:38 osoba "Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> napisala je: > Hi Petar, > > > > Welcome. I made an number of submersible dives near Cavtat; great! > > > > In the book ?handbook of acrylics? by Jerry Stachiw are also sealing and > retaining options described. > > The book is expensive . So the library or scans might be an option. > > > > Regards, Emile van Essen > > > ------------------------------ > > *Van:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces@ > psubs.org] *Namens *Petar Topljak via Personal_Submersibles > *Verzonden:* maandag 12 januari 2015 17:10 > *Aan:* Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > *Onderwerp:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greetings > > > > Hi everyone, > > My name is Petar and I am a mechanical engineering student from Croatia. I > was informed about this maillist by James from England who built his own > submersible. > > I have a project for my uni, where I have to design acrylic viewport. I > already downloaded ASME PVHO-1-2007 standard, and I decided to go with > spherical sector with conical edge viewport. I finished all of the > calculations but ran into problems with sealing arrangement and retaining > ring on this type of window. > I don't know how to arrange seals, and the picture in standard is not very > informative, so any kind of help will be precious > > Kind regards, Petar Topljak > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 12:27:30 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 09:27:30 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam In-Reply-To: <20150112090303.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.52f5f9f43e.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150112090303.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.52f5f9f43e.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1421083650.89002.YahooMailNeo@web181205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott When I cast the syntactic foam for the R300, http://www.psubs.org/design/PDF/SyntacticFoam.pdf, I used a mixture of macrospheres, microspheres and epoxy. Biggest cost was the macropsheres which were designed to meet my design depth. Got some help from Dr. Phil on how to make syntactic foam which was helpful. The macrospheres were from Cummings Corp. My finished cost for these castings was $156/cuft . With large castings, you have to be carful not to have cracking due to the exothermic reaction. To mitigate this, I worked with an epoxy supplier to specify a catalyst that slowed down the cure time. It was a lot of work to sort out the mixtures percentages of each component to get the desired density and strength. I did a lot of experimenting in my shop as well. Most manufactures are going to be reluctant to sell syntactic foam components to home built submersible community for liability reasons. While syntactic foam is the primary way the big boys build added buoyancy on deep boats, and ROVs, its costly. My suggestion would be to try and build buoyancy by increasing the size of the pressure hull. Steel is cheap. Cliff From: via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam Holy cow. I got a quote back from http://www.synfoam.com/. For a 12"x12"x5" block of foam the cost is $595 each! I am going to have to rethink my tactics. Thanks, Scott Waters -------- Original Message -------- >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam >From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles > >Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 7:35 am >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > >Hi Scott, >Here is a link to a synfoam site . >http://synfoam.com/synfoam-mw-low-cost-deep-sea-syntactic-foam.html > > > > >Best Regards, >David Colombo > >804 College Ave >Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >(707) 536-1424 >http://www.seaquestor.com/ > > > >On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:21 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Can someone give me the basics on syntactic foam? >> >>*What is the buoyancy per cubic inch? >> >>*How do you shape it? >> >>*How much does it cost? >> >>*Where do you get it? >> >>I essentially have no experience with it what so ever. >> >>Thanks, >>Scott Waters >>_______________________________________________ >>Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > _______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Petar Topljak via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: maandag 12 januari 2015 18:18 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greetings Thank you for a quick response Emile. Sadly, this book is not avalible in any library known to me in Croatia. Regards, Petar Topljak Dana 12. 1. 2015. 17:38 osoba "Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles" napisala je: Hi Petar, Welcome. I made an number of submersible dives near Cavtat; great! In the book "handbook of acrylics" by Jerry Stachiw are also sealing and retaining options described. The book is expensive . So the library or scans might be an option. Regards, Emile van Essen _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Petar Topljak via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: maandag 12 januari 2015 17:10 Aan: Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Greetings Hi everyone, My name is Petar and I am a mechanical engineering student from Croatia. I was informed about this maillist by James from England who built his own submersible. I have a project for my uni, where I have to design acrylic viewport. I already downloaded ASME PVHO-1-2007 standard, and I decided to go with spherical sector with conical edge viewport. I finished all of the calculations but ran into problems with sealing arrangement and retaining ring on this type of window. I don't know how to arrange seals, and the picture in standard is not very informative, so any kind of help will be precious Kind regards, Petar Topljak _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Snorkel or no snorkel? Pete From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 18:09:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:09:24 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Message-ID: <20150112160924.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.89f66cbdcf.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 18:12:32 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 18:12:32 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <1421103484.9835.YahooMailBasic@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1421103484.9835.YahooMailBasic@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The captain's objective I believe was to breathe outside air in the event he surfaced into rough conditions in which he could not open the hatch. This can be accomplished with a snorkel, but also with say an over-pressure valve, a small pressure compensating ball valve, etc. So long as you have a means of breathing outside air, I think you're good. Best, Alec On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a reference for my own > design. I'm using the conning tower plans pretty much as per. The question > I do have is. Snorkel or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it > would be useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have one. > What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 18:29:14 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 23:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <1421103484.9835.YahooMailBasic@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1421103484.9835.YahooMailBasic@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1816535191.41650.1421105354034.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Pete,on my new design I have 2 snorkels behind the hatch as?hand holds for assisting entry, & am intending to put a fanon ?them to blow air through the hull when transiting?on the surface.I think G.L. require a snorkel for certification.Alan From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:58 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? Pete _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 18:46:28 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:46:28 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question In-Reply-To: <20150112155459.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.1aa1f00f9d.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1421106388.75702.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, The pump runs the whole time the arm is in use. When you want to grab the gold filled chest, turn on the pump and use the arm then turn it off when your done. I would keep it simple, besides the arm functions are continuous. It probably takes less power to keep the pump running rather than start and stop constantly. You could use multiple small pumps that activate with each function, might be simpler in the end. No valve bank and less complicated. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "psubs" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:54 PM Do most submarine manipulator arms have a pump for each cylinder controlled electronically from the inside of the sub or do they have one pump that is continuously running and hoses go in the sub and controlled with valves? Or perhaps another way? ? My excavators in my company have one pump that is engine driven and it runs continuously an the cylinders are actuated by valves. Seems impractical to me to have a battery driven pump that runs continuously. ? Thanks, Scott Waters -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 19:06:18 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:06:18 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Message-ID: <1421107578.10307.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? Pete ? -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM I would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub?page. Alec did the same thing. ? Thanks, Scott Waters? ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? 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Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:13 PM Hank, ? My thought was to have no hydraulic?penetrators into the sub and to only have a subconn to run the?manipulator. The pumps would be submerged in the hydraulic reservoir outside of the sub and would be pressure compensated.??Good or bad idea? ? Thanks, Scott Waters?? ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 4:46 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Scott, The pump runs the whole time the arm is in use. When you want to grab the gold filled chest, turn on the pump and use the arm then turn it off when your done. I would keep it simple, besides the arm functions are continuous. It probably takes less power to keep the pump running rather than start and stop constantly. You could use multiple small pumps that activate with each function, might be simpler in the end. No valve bank and less complicated. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "psubs" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:54 PM Do most submarine manipulator arms have a pump for each cylinder controlled electronically from the inside of the sub or do they have one pump that is continuously running and hoses go in the sub and controlled with valves? Or perhaps another way? ? My excavators in my company have one pump that is engine driven and it runs continuously an the cylinders are actuated by valves. Seems impractical to me to have a battery driven pump that runs continuously. ? Thanks, Scott Waters -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 19:29:25 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:29:25 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question In-Reply-To: <1421108793.74168.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1421108965.6249.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, If you can submerge the pump motor in the oil then you can have a square hyd reservoir with a rubber lid and your done, like the old school battery box. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:26 PM Scott, that is a GREAT idea, particularly in your deep sub. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:13 PM Hank, ? My thought was to have no hydraulic?penetrators into the sub and to only have a subconn to run the?manipulator. The pumps would be submerged in the hydraulic reservoir outside of the sub and would be pressure compensated.??Good or bad idea? ? Thanks, Scott Waters?? ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 4:46 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Scott, The pump runs the whole time the arm is in use. When you want to grab the gold filled chest, turn on the pump and use the arm then turn it off when your done. I would keep it simple, besides the arm functions are continuous. It probably takes less power to keep the pump running rather than start and stop constantly. You could use multiple small pumps that activate with each function, might be simpler in the end. No valve bank and less complicated. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "psubs" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:54 PM Do most submarine manipulator arms have a pump for each cylinder controlled electronically from the inside of the sub or do they have one pump that is continuously running and hoses go in the sub and controlled with valves? Or perhaps another way? ? My excavators in my company have one pump that is engine driven and it runs continuously an the cylinders are actuated by valves. Seems impractical to me to have a battery driven pump that runs continuously. ? Thanks, Scott Waters -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 19:47:44 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 18:47:44 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question Message-ID: Cool. I am going to make one first for Trustworthy and spend some time with it before I build the deep sub. But it will take a few years to design.? I am planning two arms on Trustworthy. One 5 function manipulator arm, one 3 function with tooling and a dredge pump. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/12/2015 6:29 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question Scott, If you can submerge the pump motor in the oil then you can have a square hyd reservoir with a rubber lid and your done, like the old school battery box. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:26 PM Scott, that is a GREAT idea, particularly in your deep sub. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:13 PM Hank, My thought was to have no hydraulic penetrators into the sub and to only have a subconn to run the manipulator. The pumps would be submerged in the hydraulic reservoir outside of the sub and would be pressure compensated. Good or bad idea? Thanks, Scott Waters -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 4:46 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Scott, The pump runs the whole time the arm is in use. When you want to grab the gold filled chest, turn on the pump and use the arm then turn it off when your done. I would keep it simple, besides the arm functions are continuous. It probably takes less power to keep the pump running rather than start and stop constantly. You could use multiple small pumps that activate with each function, might be simpler in the end. No valve bank and less complicated. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "psubs" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:54 PM Do most submarine manipulator arms have a pump for each cylinder controlled electronically from the inside of the sub or do they have one pump that is continuously running and hoses go in the sub and controlled with valves? Or perhaps another way? My excavators in my company have one pump that is engine driven and it runs continuously an the cylinders are actuated by valves. Seems impractical to me to have a battery driven pump that runs continuously. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 19:51:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:51:24 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Message-ID: <20150112165124.2C002E07@m0005297.ppops.net> Bob, I wouldn't mind popping by as well, if wouldn't be too crowded ! Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 04:53:02 -0800 Bob, I was wondering what happened to you. I can most certainly make a trip down to give a hand if your stuck. I can take my bride down for some shopping :-) Email me at hankpronk at live.ca and we can set it up for next weekend. I have been wanting to see what you doing. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor To: "submersibles, personal" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 1:07 AM Alan, ? Thank you for your reply.? My name is Bob Travis.? I don't know how to make my name show up on my emails like the rest of the group and I apologize for not signing my question.? I have watched the threads for years now and I met some of you at the Psubs convention in Washington this last year (I was the one that no one was expecting).? But for the?most part, I have just watched, read?and?attempted to learn.?? ? A little background...? I started dreaming about a sub in 2005.? My wife (aka.. the read head) gave me permission to proceed, but of course, has occasionally put up some road blocks which has delayed things a bit.? I started the actual construction a little over 5 years ago.? I have studied Trustworthy, Persistence and Guernsey Submarine as well as?snoopy and some of the?other boats on the site?and have gained great a great bit of knowledge and direction.? I have also learned an amazing amount from reading the threads from the group.? ? About me...? I am the?quiet one that sits in the back?of the class not wanting any attention. I have a huge problem with putting myself out there.??I live in Eastern Washington and I am building a K-350...... and, because of the above, have not posted my project pictures on the site.? I keep thinking that I am going to do this but I just haven't taken the time (or built up the nerve).? I am a pencil pusher.? I don't have a mechanical bone in my body!? So some of the most basic things are very difficult for me to get my arms around.? Want to negotiate a $500,000 deal, I'm your guy!? Want to hook up an electrical panel... Ahhhhhhh??????????? I have made almost all of my structural parts, have had them welded and am now working on my electrical and have not a clue what I am doing at this point.? I am struggling with some of the most basic items (like finding the correct ampere meter) and for some reason have a mental block on how to proceed.? I really appreciate your response and will follow the link! ? I am at the point where the red head has told me to "get that stupid thing done" and I am not going to question it!? With her recent permission, I have a renewed energy?level and will be doing what ever possible so that I am?testing in August!? So with that said, I am going to be asking a bunch of very basic, stupid questions!? I will do my best to go back through the archives as to not bog the group down with previous topics. ? Hank... Any chance you will be making a journey to Spokane any time soon??? ? Thanks again everybody!!!? And with your help, and a little luck, I will be dragging my boat to the next Psubs convention on the east coats so you all can teach me how to dive it! ? Bob From: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 5:01:59 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Hi, not sure who I am talking to, but the brushless motors put out a lot less electronic noise, so less interferance with sensitive equipment. They don't wear out as quickly, as they don't have brushes, & you get more power? for the same size unit. About 7 out of 8 thruster manufacturers use BLDC motors. There are a host of cheap motors at "Hobby King" With 785 Watt motors for $25- http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__522__517__Electric_Motors-45_to_50mm.html You need an esc (electronic speed controller ) which costs about $50-. The escs normally work off a receiver sending them commands from the remote control transmitter. However there are control units you can buy that are wired straight to the esc. I ?am experimenting with BLDC motors at the moment & are wanting to make up a thruster. Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Is there a reason I should go with a?brushless motor?? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more expensive.? Is there an email thread on this already?? Has this been a topic of discussion in the past? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 19:53:27 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 00:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question In-Reply-To: <1421108965.6249.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1421108965.6249.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <531091847.87176.1421110407166.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100131.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Is it that easy Hank,Wouldn't the oil in the reservoir change volume too much?You would have to allow for a worst case scenario of all the manipulatorcylinders being at full extension.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question Scott, If you can submerge the pump motor in the oil then you can have a square hyd reservoir with a rubber lid and your done, like the old school battery box. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:26 PM Scott, that is a GREAT idea, particularly in your deep sub. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:13 PM ? ? Hank, ? ? ? My thought was to have no hydraulic?penetrators ? into the sub and to only have a subconn to run the?manipulator. The pumps would be submerged in the ? hydraulic reservoir outside of the sub and would be pressure ? compensated.??Good or bad idea? ? ? ? Thanks, ? Scott Waters?? ? ? ? ? -------- Original ? Message -------- ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? ? Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 4:46 pm ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? Scott, ? The pump runs the whole time the arm is in use. When you ? want to grab the gold filled chest, turn on the pump and use ? the arm then turn it off when your done. I would keep it ? simple, besides the arm functions are continuous. It ? probably takes less power to keep the pump running rather ? than start and stop constantly. You could use multiple small pumps that activate with each function, might be simpler in ? the end. No valve bank and less complicated. ? Hank -------------------------------------------- ? On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question ? To: "psubs" ? Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:54 PM ? ? Do ? most submarine manipulator arms have a pump for each ? cylinder controlled electronically from the inside of the ? sub or do they have one pump that is continuously running ? and hoses go in the sub and controlled with valves? Or perhaps another way? ? ? My excavators in my company have one pump that is ? engine driven and it runs continuously an the cylinders are ? actuated by valves. Seems impractical to me to have a ? battery driven pump that runs continuously. ? ? ? Thanks, ? Scott Waters ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 20:01:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:01:24 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1421110884.29037.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, You can take a minkota motor and drive a small hy pump and valve bank all submerged in Marvellous mystery oil. Talk about simple and reliable. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:47 PM Cool. I am going to make one first for Trustworthy and spend some time with it before I build the deep sub. But it will take a few years to design.?I am planning two arms on Trustworthy. One 5 function manipulator arm, one 3 function with tooling and a dredge pump.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/12/2015 6:29 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question Scott, If you can submerge the pump motor in the oil then you can have a square hyd reservoir with a rubber lid and your done, like the old school battery box. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:26 PM Scott, that is a GREAT idea, particularly in your deep sub. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:13 PM ? ? Hank, ? ? ? My thought was to have no hydraulic?penetrators ? into the sub and to only have a subconn to run the?manipulator. The pumps would be submerged in the ? hydraulic reservoir outside of the sub and would be pressure ? compensated.??Good or bad idea? ? ? ? Thanks, ? Scott Waters?? ? ? ? ? -------- Original ? Message -------- ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? ? Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 4:46 pm ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? Scott, ? The pump runs the whole time the arm is in use. When you ? want to grab the gold filled chest, turn on the pump and use ? the arm then turn it off when your done. I would keep it ? simple, besides the arm functions are continuous. It ? probably takes less power to keep the pump running rather ? than start and stop constantly. You could use multiple small pumps that activate with each function, might be simpler in ? the end. No valve bank and less complicated. ? Hank -------------------------------------------- ? On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question ? To: "psubs" ? Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:54 PM ? ? Do ? most submarine manipulator arms have a pump for each ? cylinder controlled electronically from the inside of the ? sub or do they have one pump that is continuously running ? and hoses go in the sub and controlled with valves? Or perhaps another way? ? ? My excavators in my company have one pump that is ? engine driven and it runs continuously an the cylinders are ? actuated by valves. Seems impractical to me to have a ? battery driven pump that runs continuously. ? ? ? Thanks, ? Scott Waters ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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I would love it!? Can you contact me off line at bobtravis at comcast.net ? ? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:51:24 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Bob, I wouldn't mind popping by as well, if wouldn't be too crowded ! Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 04:53:02 -0800 Bob, I was wondering what happened to you. ?I can most certainly make a trip down to give a hand if your stuck. I can take my bride down for some shopping :-) ? Email me at hankpronk at live.ca ?and we can set it up for next weekend. I have been wanting to see what you doing. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor ?To: "submersibles, personal" ?Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 1:07 AM ? ?Alan, ? ?? ?Thank you for your reply.? My name is Bob Travis.? I ?don't know how to make my name show up on my emails like ?the rest of the group and I apologize for not signing my ?question.? I have watched the threads for years now and I ?met some of you at the Psubs convention in Washington this ?last year (I was the one that no one was expecting).? But ?for the?most part, I have just watched, ?read?and?attempted to learn.?? ?? ?A little background...? I started dreaming about a sub ?in 2005.? My wife (aka.. the read head) gave me permission ?to proceed, but of course, has occasionally put up some road ?blocks which has delayed things a bit.? I started the ?actual construction a little over 5 years ago.? I have ?studied Trustworthy, Persistence and Guernsey Submarine as ?well as?snoopy and some of the?other boats on the ?site?and have gained great a great bit of knowledge and ?direction.? I have also learned an amazing amount from ?reading the threads from the group.? ?? ?About me...? I am the?quiet one that sits in the ?back?of the class not wanting any attention. I have a huge ?problem with putting myself out there.??I live in Eastern ?Washington and I am building a K-350...... and, because of ?the above, have not posted my project pictures on the ?site.? I keep thinking that I am going to do this but I ?just haven't taken the time (or built up the nerve).? I ?am a pencil pusher.? I don't have a mechanical bone in ?my body!? So some of the most basic things are very ?difficult for me to get my arms around.? Want to negotiate ?a $500,000 deal, I'm your guy!? Want to hook up an ?electrical panel... Ahhhhhhh??????????? I have made ?almost all of my structural parts, have had them welded and ?am now working on my electrical and have not a clue what I ?am doing at this point.? I am struggling with some of the ?most basic items (like finding the correct ampere meter) and ?for some reason have a mental block on how to proceed.? I ?really appreciate your response and will follow the ?link! ?? ?I am at the point where the red head has told me to ?"get that stupid thing done" and I am not going to ?question it!? With her recent permission, I have a renewed ?energy?level and will be doing what ever possible so that I ?am?testing in August!? So with that said, I am going to be ?asking a bunch of very basic, stupid questions!? I will do ?my best to go back through the archives as to not bog the ?group down with previous topics. ?? ?Hank... Any chance you will be making a journey to ?Spokane any time soon??? ?? ?Thanks again everybody!!!? And with your help, and a ?little luck, I will be dragging my boat to the next Psubs ?convention on the east coats so you all can teach me how to ?dive it! ?? ?Bob ? ? ? ? ?From: ?"Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" ? ?To: "Personal Submersibles General ?Discussion" ?Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 5:01:59 ?PM ?Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ?Brushless motor ? ? ? ? ?Hi, ?not sure ?who I am talking to, but the brushless motors put out a lot ?less ?electronic ?noise, so less interferance with sensitive ?equipment. ?They ?don't wear out as quickly, as they don't have ?brushes, & you get more power? ?for the ?same size unit. About 7 out of 8 thruster manufacturers use ?BLDC motors. ?There are ?a host of cheap motors at "Hobby King" With 785 ?Watt motors for $25- ?http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__522__517__Electric_Motors-45_to_50mm.html ?You need ?an esc (electronic speed controller ) which costs about ?$50-. ?The escs ?normally work off a receiver sending them commands from the ?remote control transmitter. ?However ?there are control units you can buy that are wired straight ?to the esc. ?I ?am ?experimenting with BLDC motors at the moment & are ?wanting to make up a thruster. ?Alan ? ? ? ? ? ?From: via ?Personal_Submersibles ? ?To: "submersibles, ?personal" ?Sent: Monday, January ?12, 2015 1:23 PM ?Subject: ?[PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Is there a reason I should go with a?brushless ?motor?? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for ?about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more ?expensive.? Is there an email thread on this already?? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 12 20:33:50 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:33:50 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question In-Reply-To: <531091847.87176.1421110407166.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100131.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1421112830.33712.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alan, the volume difference would be the volume of the rods, typically 5/8 dia and maybe 6 in long max. That is very little. You could use a solid tank with a truck air bag. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:53 PM Is it that easy Hank,Wouldn't the oil in the reservoir change volume too much?You would have to allow for a worst case scenario of all the manipulatorcylinders being at full extension.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question Scott, If you can submerge the pump motor in the oil then you can have a square hyd reservoir with a rubber lid and your done, like the old school battery box. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:26 PM Scott, that is a GREAT idea, particularly in your deep sub. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 7:13 PM ? ? Hank, ? ? ? My thought was to have no hydraulic?penetrators ? into the sub and to only have a subconn to run the?manipulator. The pumps would be submerged in the ? hydraulic reservoir outside of the sub and would be pressure ? compensated.??Good or bad idea? ? ? ? Thanks, ? Scott Waters?? ? ? ? ? -------- Original ? Message -------- ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? ? Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 4:46 pm ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? Scott, ? The pump runs the whole time the arm is in use. When you ? want to grab the gold filled chest, turn on the pump and use ? the arm then turn it off when your done. I would keep it ? simple, besides the arm functions are continuous. It ? probably takes less power to keep the pump running rather ? than start and stop constantly. You could use multiple small pumps that activate with each function, might be simpler in ? the end. No valve bank and less complicated. ? Hank -------------------------------------------- ? On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator Hydrolic question ? To: "psubs" ? Received: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:54 PM ? ? Do ? most submarine manipulator arms have a pump for each ? cylinder controlled electronically from the inside of the ? sub or do they have one pump that is continuously running ? and hoses go in the sub and controlled with valves? Or perhaps another way? ? ? My excavators in my company have one pump that is ? engine driven and it runs continuously an the cylinders are ? actuated by valves. Seems impractical to me to have a ? battery driven pump that runs continuously. ? ? ? Thanks, ? Scott Waters ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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If you do it yourself, you can tailor the foam to your particular need, and most importantly you can cast it in place so it fits, fills and bonds with the space assigned to it. Marc de Piolenc On 1/13/2015 12:03 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Holy cow. I got a quote back from www.synfoam.com > . For a 12"x12"x5" block of foam the cost is > $595 each! I am going to have to rethink my tactics. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam > From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 7:35 am > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > > Hi Scott, > Here is a link to a synfoam site . > http://synfoam.com/synfoam-mw-low-cost-deep-sea-syntactic-foam.html > > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:21 AM, via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Can someone give me the basics on syntactic foam? > *What is the buoyancy per cubic inch? > *How do you shape it? > *How much does it cost? > *Where do you get it? > I essentially have no experience with it what so ever. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 05:32:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Anders Ljung via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:32:56 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Vertical Thruster In-Reply-To: <018F9E1C-F3A0-40E0-A92B-FBE72EB9267C@upplevelsepresent.se> References: <018F9E1C-F3A0-40E0-A92B-FBE72EB9267C@upplevelsepresent.se> Message-ID: Hello Using one or two minnkotas for this application would be similar to a hamster humping a rhino hehe . The water in the free flooding space has to be accounted for in the moment of inertia so its roughly 12 tons that needs to be put in motion so....let the minnkota stay on the rowing boat :) you need to use the same components as the lateral thrusters uses or something similar, which is a 3 kW hydraulic motor driving a Kaplan turbine pump jet. There are reserve penetrators in the tower area that could route the hydraulic lines. The thrust will decrease by the Cos sinus angle of deflection in order a 45 deg deflection will result in some 30 % loss in thrust. It is possible to make a rectangular nozzle where the deck meets the pressure hull as long as the same cross section area of the duct is maintained. The coanda effect off the curvature of the pressure hull will help straighten out the water jet and also to some degree contribute to lift. And Lasse...please make sure all of the money you owe me for the sub is paid before cutting a bunch of holes in it ;) best regards Anders Ljung 2015-01-12 10:29 GMT+01:00 Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org>: > Hey guys, > > When talking about motors, I have som thoughts about making a smaller > modification to my sub. > I?m thinking of putting a vertical thruster, hidden behind the tower of > Malen. Malen does?t have a vertical thruster and it would make > manoeuvring a lot easier. I hope it can be done without messing up the > look of the sub, which is important. > > My idea is to suck water just behind the hatch, and let the water leave > downwards and exhaust from the both sides of the tower. The actual jet can > not go straight down due to the design of the tower, is that a > superproblem? Another important question is, what thruster is good for the > job? I have been thinking of maybe using one or two minnkotas. Any thoughts > and ideas are much appreciated. > Take a look at the attached sketch, I hope it?s understandable. > > > Cheers, > Lasse Schmidt > Crashdive.se > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In Sgt.Pepeprs case it can be use for: - Breathin air in combination with the internal hose and Mousepiece - flood valve in combination with the internal hose and Moundpiece - bilgewater exit with the hose from the bilgepump system - socket for the screw-in video periskop stick - Exit for a additional cable troughhull for temporaly equipment like video, sonar, light etc. On the picture the seperate overpressure valve cover is just visible in the middle axis of the hatch behind the latch. The multifuncitional ballvale is the exit with the water spring - bilge test running. vbr Carsten "Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Newbilgepumptest02.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 175840 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 07:12:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Mark via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:12:00 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <1421107578.10307.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1421107578.10307.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and model, or describe its specifications? Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > Pete ? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > I > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > did the same thing. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original > Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > <1399517720.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 09:08:22 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 14:08:22 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: References: <1421107578.10307.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark I made my over pressure valve based on Emile's design. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/publication2_files/Page18304.htm Regards James On 13 January 2015 at 12:12, Mark via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and > model, or describe its specifications? > > Regards, > > Mark... > > Sent from iPhone. > > > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . > Whats that on the other side ? > > > > Pete ? > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > > > I > > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > > did the same thing. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > -------- Original > > Message -------- > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > > one. What are your opinions? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 09:35:06 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:35:06 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) Message-ID: <1421159706.89382.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I think this is Emile's drawing. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/13/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 8:08 AM Hi Mark?I made my over pressure valve based on Emile's design.? ?http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/publication2_files/Page18304.htm?Regards James? On 13 January 2015 at 12:12, Mark via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and model, or describe its specifications? Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > Pete ? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > I > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > did the same thing. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original > Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > <1399517720.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Overpressurevalve_50mm.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 10946 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 09:43:15 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 14:43:15 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1421159706.89382.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1421159706.89382.YahooMailBasic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, that's it. I just made it with drilled holes instead and added a wing nut to allow adjustment of cracking pressure. On 13 January 2015 at 14:35, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I think this is Emile's drawing. > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/13/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 8:08 AM > > Hi > Mark I made my over pressure valve > based on Emile's design. > http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/publication2_files/Page18304.htm Regards > James > On 13 January 2015 at > 12:12, Mark via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Since we > are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a > make and model, or describe its specifications? > > > > Regards, > > > > Mark... > > > > Sent from iPhone. > > > > > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of > the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > > > > > Pete ? > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > > To: "Personal Submersibles General > Discussion" > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > > > > > I > > > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It > is a > > > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. > Alec > > > did the same thing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > -------- Original > > > Message -------- > > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > > > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > > > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning > tower > > > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. > Snorkel > > > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would > be > > > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to > have > > > one. What are your opinions? 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Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:05 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > hi All, > > I know this isn't 100% sub related but check out the size of this led lamp > we just bought at work. 20,000 lumens! > > James > > ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: light.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 94682 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 11:08:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:08:48 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, Yes, a large heat sink. Its for our warehouse floor to replace normal lights. These are much more energy efficient. I haven't had a good look but I suspect the 240v part of the unit is just a power adapter and controller. So could possibly be run DC from inside a sub. Might not need all the heatsink if it was mounted in a pod in the water. Would be like attaching a small sun to the front of your sub! On 13 January 2015 at 15:32, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi James, is that a heat sink for that led? What application is that used > for? > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:05 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >> hi All, >> >> I know this isn't 100% sub related but check out the size of this led >> lamp we just bought at work. 20,000 lumens! >> >> James >> >> ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: light.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 94682 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 11:22:07 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:22:07 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi James, Now that would be interesting. Or as a spot light for a batman beacon. Could you send me a link to the product? Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:08 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi David, > > Yes, a large heat sink. Its for our warehouse floor to replace normal > lights. These are much more energy efficient. > > I haven't had a good look but I suspect the 240v part of the unit is just > a power adapter and controller. So could possibly be run DC from inside a > sub. Might not need all the heatsink if it was mounted in a pod in the > water. Would be like attaching a small sun to the front of your sub! > > > On 13 January 2015 at 15:32, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi James, is that a heat sink for that led? What application is that used >> for? >> >> Best Regards, >> David Colombo >> >> 804 College Ave >> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >> (707) 536-1424 >> www.SeaQuestor.com >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:05 AM, James Frankland via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> hi All, >>> >>> I know this isn't 100% sub related but check out the size of this led >>> lamp we just bought at work. 20,000 lumens! >>> >>> James >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: light.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 94682 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 11:29:44 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:29:44 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1216CF05-053D-44F3-B6D2-58FF1E617698@snyderemail.com> Yes! Send the link! > On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:22 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi James, Now that would be interesting. Or as a spot light for a batman beacon. Could you send me a link to the product? > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:08 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> Yes, a large heat sink. Its for our warehouse floor to replace normal lights. These are much more energy efficient. >> >> I haven't had a good look but I suspect the 240v part of the unit is just a power adapter and controller. So could possibly be run DC from inside a sub. Might not need all the heatsink if it was mounted in a pod in the water. Would be like attaching a small sun to the front of your sub! >> >> >>> On 13 January 2015 at 15:32, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Hi James, is that a heat sink for that led? What application is that used for? >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> David Colombo >>> >>> 804 College Ave >>> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >>> (707) 536-1424 >>> www.SeaQuestor.com >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:05 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> hi All, >>>> >>>> I know this isn't 100% sub related but check out the size of this led lamp we just bought at work. 20,000 lumens! >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 11:30:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:30:26 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Light Message-ID: <1u3ndyywgsb1kq5le83d90fe.1421166626662@email.android.com> Awesome. I have been lookig for a light to replace my halogen head light. It got so hot it melted the acrylic on a previous dive. But 2,000,000 candle power was awesome! That is on the list of upgrades for trustworthy. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/13/2015 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Light Hi David, Yes, a large heat sink. Its for our warehouse floor to replace normal lights. These are much more energy efficient. I haven't had a good look but I suspect the 240v part of the unit is just a power adapter and controller. So could possibly be run DC from inside a sub. Might not need all the heatsink if it was mounted in a pod in the water. Would be like attaching a small sun to the front of your sub! On 13 January 2015 at 15:32, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi James, is that a heat sink for that led? What application is that used for? Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:05 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: hi All, I know this isn't 100% sub related but check out the size of this led lamp we just bought at work. 20,000 lumens! James ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: light.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 31236 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 12:02:37 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 17:02:37 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David. Technical info here. I just had another look at it and the "bulb" does appear to be fully potted already. http://www.ledgrouprobus.com/system/ExpressionEngine/assets/downloads/R160HBLED/R160HBLED-23%20-%20Instruction%20Manual.pdf On 13 January 2015 at 16:22, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi James, Now that would be interesting. Or as a spot light for a batman > beacon. Could you send me a link to the product? > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:08 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> Yes, a large heat sink. Its for our warehouse floor to replace normal >> lights. These are much more energy efficient. >> >> I haven't had a good look but I suspect the 240v part of the unit is just >> a power adapter and controller. So could possibly be run DC from inside a >> sub. Might not need all the heatsink if it was mounted in a pod in the >> water. Would be like attaching a small sun to the front of your sub! >> >> >> On 13 January 2015 at 15:32, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi James, is that a heat sink for that led? What application is that >>> used for? >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> David Colombo >>> >>> 804 College Ave >>> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >>> (707) 536-1424 >>> www.SeaQuestor.com >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:05 AM, James Frankland via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> hi All, >>>> >>>> I know this isn't 100% sub related but check out the size of this led >>>> lamp we just bought at work. 20,000 lumens! >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/13/2015 8:35 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) I think this is Emile's drawing. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/13/15, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 8:08 AM Hi Mark I made my over pressure valve based on Emile's design. http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/publication2_files/Page18304.htm Regards James On 13 January 2015 at 12:12, Mark via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and model, or describe its specifications? Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > Pete ? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > I > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > did the same thing. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original > Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > <1399517720.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 13:41:55 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:41:55 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] innertube compensator Message-ID: <1421174515.20266.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alan, You mentioned that you had trouble with using an inner tube as a pressure compensation bladder. What type of oil were you using. I have had mine installed for a few months now and seems fine. I just overhauled my drive and reinstalled the inner tube. You got me worried :-) Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 14:53:37 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] innertube compensator In-Reply-To: <1421174515.20266.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1421174515.20266.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2068006819.346418.1421178817731.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hank,I used the inner tube when I was experimenting with compensatingabsorbed glass mat batteries. I had two plumbing fittings in the top of the batterywith the section of inner tube with a valve in it clamped between them.I had the battery & tube full of baby oil (scented mineral oil). I then pumped upthe inner tube to keep an over pressure in the battery.There was something, either the chemicals added to the mineral oil , or the mineraloil, or battery acid & gasses that might have mixed with the mineral oil that caused the?inner tube to melt in a relatively short time.Another messy experiment that didn't work. I suggest soaking a section of inner tube?in the compensating fluid & checking it occasionally.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:41 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] innertube compensator Alan, You mentioned that you had trouble with using an inner tube as a pressure compensation bladder.? What type of oil were you using.? I have had mine installed for a few months now and seems fine.? I just overhauled my drive and reinstalled the inner tube.? You got me worried? :-) Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 15:39:08 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 12:39:08 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] innertube compensator In-Reply-To: <2068006819.346418.1421178817731.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1421181548.95476.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alan, It is all back together now, but I like your idea. Hank------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/13/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] innertube compensator To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 2:53 PM Hank,I used the inner tube when I was experimenting with compensatingabsorbed glass mat batteries. I had two plumbing fittings in the top of the batterywith the section of inner tube with a valve in it clamped between them.I had the battery & tube full of baby oil (scented mineral oil). I then pumped upthe inner tube to keep an over pressure in the battery.There was something, either the chemicals added to the mineral oil , or the mineraloil, or battery acid & gasses that might have mixed with the mineral oil that caused the?inner tube to melt in a relatively short time.Another messy experiment that didn't work. I suggest soaking a section of inner tube?in the compensating fluid & checking it occasionally.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:41 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] innertube compensator Alan, You mentioned that you had trouble with using an inner tube as a pressure compensation bladder.? What type of oil were you using.? I have had mine installed for a few months now and seems fine.? I just overhauled my drive and reinstalled the inner tube.? You got me worried? :-) Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 13 22:06:25 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:06:25 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 In-Reply-To: <20150112103524.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.f3b7b61535.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150112103524.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.f3b7b61535.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <54B5DD31.3040407@telus.net> On 2015-01-12 10:35, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > A little update on my research. I have not given up on HY-80 or HY-100 > compared to 516 gr70. I finally found a very good supplier for HY-80 - > HY-100. I am getting over the hurdles of finding this stuff, the next > hurdle is the welding part of it. Still learning, but can someone tell > me the differences in HY-80 compared to HY-100? > > Thanks, > Scott Waters HY-80 HY-100 Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 08:04:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:04:48 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, All. Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case of massive overpressure. Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. Best regards, Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and model, or describe its specifications? Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > Pete ? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > I > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > did the same thing. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original > Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > one. What are your opinions? 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But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case > of massive overpressure. > Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. > > > Best regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org > ] > Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and > model, or describe its specifications? > > Regards, > > Mark... > > Sent from iPhone. > > > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . > Whats that on the other side ? > > > > Pete ? > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > > > I > > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > > did the same thing. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > -------- Original > > Message -------- > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > > one. What are your opinions? 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Don't quote me on it! http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 > > Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I have a job over the > winter to add more or drill existing holes bigger. > > On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Mark, All. > > Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a > 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case > of massive overpressure. > Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. > > > Best regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org > ] > Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and > model, or describe its specifications? > > Regards, > > Mark... > > Sent from iPhone. > > > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . > Whats that on the other side ? > > > > Pete ? > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > > > I > > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > > did the same thing. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > -------- Original > > Message -------- > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > > one. What are your opinions? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 11:50:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:50:33 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 Message-ID: So the tinsel strength of HY-80 is 80,000 psi and HY-100 is 100,000 psi, makes since. Why does Phil Nuytten go with HY-80 on the deep worker 3000? It would seem like you would want to go with HY-100 just for added safety. Perhaps HY-100 is harder to weld or more expensive? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/13/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 On 2015-01-12 10:35, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: A little update on my research. I have not given up on HY-80 or HY-100 compared to 516 gr70. I finally found a very good supplier for HY-80 - HY-100. I am getting over the hurdles of finding this stuff, the next hurdle is the welding part of it. Still learning, but can someone tell me the differences in HY-80 compared to HY-100? Thanks, Scott Waters HY-80 HY-100 Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 12:11:12 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:11:12 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Message-ID: <20150114091112.80F6AB06@m0048140.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 12:33:38 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:33:38 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Message-ID: <2psltlls74gdn7qh3428dbx1.1421256818424@email.android.com> Under Mechanical Properties. "Tensil strenght yeild".? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/14/2015 11:11 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 what about something like this? I only just googled it so would need research. Don't quote me on it! http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get? Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I have a job over the winter to add more or drill existing holes bigger. On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Mark, All. Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case of massive overpressure. Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. Best regards, Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and model, or describe its specifications? Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > Pete ? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > I > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > did the same thing. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original > Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > <1399517720.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 13:16:45 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:16:45 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <20150114091112.80F6AB06@m0048140.ppops.net> Message-ID: Brian, Is listed! Pn 63 means 63 Bar operating pressure. More interesting is the cracking pressure which might be high. Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 14 januari 2015 18:11 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 what about something like this? I only just googled it so would need research. Don't quote me on it! http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get? Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I have a job over the winter to add more or drill existing holes bigger. On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Mark, All. Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case of massive overpressure. Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. Best regards, Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and model, or describe its specifications? Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > Pete ? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > I > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > did the same thing. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original > Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > <1399517720.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 14:36:36 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <20150114091112.80F6AB06@m0048140.ppops.net> References: <20150114091112.80F6AB06@m0048140.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1819612367.722405.1421264196797.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100180.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Brian,I seem to remember you can manually operate Emile'soverpressure valve; and it is operating procedure to pressit to relieve the remaining pressure before opening the hatch.If you are looking for an off the shelf solution, make sureyou can do that.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 what about something like this?? I only just googled it so would need research.? Don't quote me on it!?http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get??Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes.??I have a job over the winter?to add more or drill existing holes bigger.? On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Mark, All. Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case of massive overpressure. Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. Best regards, Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and model, or describe its specifications? Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > Pete ? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > I > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > did the same thing. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original > Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > one. What are your opinions? 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" > Date:01/13/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 > > On 2015-01-12 10:35, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > A little update on my research. I have not given up on HY-80 or HY-100 > compared to 516 gr70. I finally found a very good supplier for HY-80 - > HY-100. I am getting over the hurdles of finding this stuff, the next > hurdle is the welding part of it. Still learning, but can someone tell me > the differences in HY-80 compared to HY-100? > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > HY-80 > > > HY-100 > > > Sean > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 15:50:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:50:57 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 Message-ID: That would make sence.? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/14/2015 2:15 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 I've always heard HY-100 is quite susceptible to cracking, and thus much harder to fabricate. Alec On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:50 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: So the tinsel strength of HY-80 is 80,000 psi and HY-100 is 100,000 psi, makes since. Why does Phil Nuytten go with HY-80 on the deep worker 3000? It would seem like you would want to go with HY-100 just for added safety. Perhaps HY-100 is harder to weld or more expensive? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/13/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 On 2015-01-12 10:35, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: A little update on my research. I have not given up on HY-80 or HY-100 compared to 516 gr70. I finally found a very good supplier for HY-80 - HY-100. I am getting over the hurdles of finding this stuff, the next hurdle is the welding part of it. Still learning, but can someone tell me the differences in HY-80 compared to HY-100? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 18:57:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:57:33 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <1819612367.722405.1421264196797.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100180.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20150114091112.80F6AB06@m0048140.ppops.net> <1819612367.722405.1421264196797.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100180.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06c45aac-0cac-4660-9b4c-89f6488d9489@email.android.com> Is it always possible to manually actuate the valve if you have a negative differential pressure? I always presumed that a ball or needle valve would be necessary to equalize pressure on either side of a hatch before opening, because such a valve accommodates pressure differences in either direction. With the overpressure valve, in such a situation you need to overcome this difference in addition to the spring preload. That, or I guess you could just bleed some air or oxygen into the cabin. Sean On January 14, 2015 12:36:36 PM MST, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >Brian,I seem to remember you can manually operate Emile'soverpressure >valve; and it is operating procedure to pressit to relieve the >remaining pressure before opening the hatch.If you are looking for an >off the shelf solution, make sureyou can do that.Alan >From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:11 AM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > >I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it.?Brian > >--- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > >From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 > >what about something like this?? I only just googled it so would need >research.? Don't quote me on >it!?http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm >On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > >Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get??Brian > >--- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > >From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 > >Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes.??I have a job over the >winter?to add more or drill existing holes bigger.? >On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >Mark, All. > >Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed >for a >3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in >case >of massive overpressure. >Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. > > >Best regards, Emile > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: Personal_Submersibles >[mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] >Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles >Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 >Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > >Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make >and >model, or describe its specifications? > >Regards, > >Mark... > >Sent from iPhone. > >> On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via >Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> >> Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . >Whats that on the other side ? >> >> Pete ? >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > >> Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM >> >> I >> would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a >> mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec >> did the same thing. >> >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters >> >> >> -------- Original >> Message -------- >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel >> From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles >> >> Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a >> reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower >> plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel >> or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be >> useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have >> one. What are your opinions? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 19:02:45 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Private via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:02:45 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <06c45aac-0cac-4660-9b4c-89f6488d9489@email.android.com> References: <20150114091112.80F6AB06@m0048140.ppops.net> <1819612367.722405.1421264196797.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100180.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <06c45aac-0cac-4660-9b4c-89f6488d9489@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hi Sean, It's extremely easy to relieve negative pressure... You just press the plunger and can do it with one finger. I do this almost every time before opening the hatch, as a small negative pressure is SOP. Best, Alec > On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Is it always possible to manually actuate the valve if you have a negative differential pressure? I always presumed that a ball or needle valve would be necessary to equalize pressure on either side of a hatch before opening, because such a valve accommodates pressure differences in either direction. With the overpressure valve, in such a situation you need to overcome this difference in addition to the spring preload. That, or I guess you could just bleed some air or oxygen into the cabin. > > Sean > > >> On January 14, 2015 12:36:36 PM MST, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Brian, >> I seem to remember you can manually operate Emile's >> overpressure valve; and it is operating procedure to press >> it to relieve the remaining pressure before opening the hatch. >> If you are looking for an off the shelf solution, make sure >> you can do that. >> Alan >> >> From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:11 AM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel >> >> I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it. >> >> Brian >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel >> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 >> >> what about something like this? I only just googled it so would need research. Don't quote me on it! >> >> http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm >> >> On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get? >> >> Brian >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIS! T] Snorkel >> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 >> >> Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I have a job over the winter to add more or drill existing holes bigger. >> >> On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Mark, All. >> >> Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a >> 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case >> of massive overpressure. >> Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] >> Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles >> Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 >> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel >> >> Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and >> model, or describe its specifications? >> >> Regards, >> >> Mark... >> >> Sent from iPhone. >> >> > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> > >> > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . >> Whats that on the other side ? >> > >> > Pete ? >> > -------------------------------------------- >> > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> > >> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel >> > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >> >> > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM >> > >> > I >> > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a >> > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec >> > did the same thing. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Scott Waters >> > >> > >> > -------- Original >> > Message -------- >> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel >> > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles >> > >> > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm >> > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > >> > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a >> > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower >> > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel >> > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be >> > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have >> > one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? >> > >> > Pete >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > >> > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > <1399517720.jpg> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 19:58:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Private via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:58:57 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <20150114162551.80E97716@m0048140.ppops.net> References: <20150114162551.80E97716@m0048140.ppops.net> Message-ID: Pretty much the same as Emile's. I made a disk with lots of holes in it and a spring- loaded cap on the outside. A wing nut inside the sub allows you to adjust the cracking pressure, and "manual override" means pressing on the stem to make the cap on the outside unseat. We're talking just a few hours work to make one of these, it's really simple. For those who might not have Kittredge's book, there's a story in there that is relevant. Kittredge had been tooling around for a while on the bottom and there was a very slight air leak in the cabin that he was unaware of. He was about to break surface when there was a big womp and next thing he found himself outside the sub swimming, and the sub on the bottom. The K250 dome had blown out and he'd gone through behind it. It was his only accident. Bottom line... Always have an OP valve and a means of monitoring cabin pressure. Best, Alec > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alec , what is your over pressure valve? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Private via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:02:45 -0500 > > Hi Sean, > > It's extremely easy to relieve negative pressure... You just press the plunger and can do it with one finger. I do this almost every time before opening the hatch, as a small negative pressure is SOP. > > Best, > > Alec > > > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Is it always possible to manually actuate the valve if you have a negative differential pressure? I always presumed that a ball or needle valve would be necessary to equalize pressure on either side of a hatch before opening, because such a valve accommodates pressure differences in either direction. With the overpressure valve, in such a situation you need to overcome this difference in addition to the spring preload. That, or I guess you could just bleed some air or oxygen into the cabin. > > Sean > > > > On January 14, 2015 12:36:36 PM MST, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Brian, > I seem to remember you can manually operate Emile's > overpressure valve; and it is operating procedure to press > it to relieve the remaining pressure before opening the hatch. > If you are looking for an off the shelf solution, make sure > you can do that. > Alan > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:11 AM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 > > what about something like this? I only just googled it so would need research. Don't quote me on it! > > http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm > > On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIS! T] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 > > Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I have a job over the winter to add more or drill existing holes bigger. > > On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Mark, All. > > Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a > 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case > of massive overpressure. > Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. > > > Best regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and > model, or describe its specifications? > > Regards, > > Mark... > > Sent from iPhone. > > > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . > Whats that on the other side ? > > > > Pete ? > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > > > I > > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > > did the same thing. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > -------- Original > > Message -------- > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > > one. What are your opinions? 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Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/14/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 7:58 PM Pretty much the same as Emile's. I made a disk with lots of holes in it and a spring- loaded cap on the outside. A wing nut inside the sub allows you to adjust the cracking pressure, and "manual override" means pressing on the stem to make the cap on the outside unseat. We're talking just a few hours work to make one of these, it's really simple. For those who might not have Kittredge's book, there's a story in there that is relevant. Kittredge had been tooling around for a while on the bottom and there was a very slight air leak in the cabin that he was unaware of. He was about to break surface when there was a big womp and next thing he found himself outside the sub swimming, and the sub on the bottom. The K250 dome had blown out and he'd gone through behind it. It was his only accident. Bottom line... Always have an OP valve and a means of monitoring cabin pressure. Best, Alec On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec , what is your over pressure valve??Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Private via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:02:45 -0500 Hi Sean, It's extremely easy to relieve negative pressure... You just press the plunger and can do it with one finger. I do this almost every time before opening the hatch, as a small negative pressure is SOP. Best, Alec On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is it always possible to manually actuate the valve if you have a negative differential pressure?? I always presumed that a ball or needle valve would be necessary to equalize pressure on either side of a hatch before opening, because such a valve accommodates pressure differences in either direction.? With the overpressure valve, in such a situation you need to overcome this difference in addition to the spring preload. That, or I guess you could just bleed some air or oxygen into the cabin. Sean On January 14, 2015 12:36:36 PM MST, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian,I seem to remember you can manually operate Emile'soverpressure valve; and it is operating procedure to pressit to relieve the remaining pressure before opening the hatch.If you are looking for an off the shelf solution, make sureyou can do that.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 what about something like this?? I only just googled it so would need research.? Don't quote me on it!?http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get??Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIS! T] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes.??I have a job over the winter?to add more or drill existing holes bigger.? On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Mark, All. Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case of massive overpressure. Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. Best regards, Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and model, or describe its specifications? Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > Pete ? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > I > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > did the same thing. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original > Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > one. What are your opinions? 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Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/14/15, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 8:57 PM Making a trip tomorrow to check out the new oil cooled motor!?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bob,yes I remember you from Washington.I am the guy from New Zealand with the funny accent.A lot of people on site are using Minn Kotta trolling motors.A number of people have recently purchased Minn Kota 101swith the Minn Kota controller. If you went that route you wouldhave a lot of help, & the Minn kotas are a tried & true solution.I am not sure what the consensus is on compensating them.I am intending to oil compensate my home made thrusters,mainly to help disipate the heat; & will pressurize the oil with air,slightly above ambient.IVC in Vancouver sell thruster assemblies for $2,195- each.http://www.ivccorp.com/content.html?page=2 I can't tell you what the assembly comprises.Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Alan, ? Thank you for your reply.? My name is Bob Travis.? I don't know how to make my name show up on my emails like the rest of the group and I apologize for not signing my question.? I have watched the threads for years now and I met some of you at the Psubs convention in Washington this last year (I was the one that no one was expecting).? But for the?most part, I have just watched, read?and?attempted to learn.?? ? A little background...? I started dreaming about a sub in 2005.? My wife (aka.. the read head) gave me permission to proceed, but of course, has occasionally put up some road blocks which has delayed things a bit.? I started the actual construction a little over 5 years ago.? I have studied Trustworthy, Persistence and Guernsey Submarine as well as?snoopy and some of the?other boats on the site?and have gained great a great bit of knowledge and direction.? I have also learned an amazing amount from reading the threads from the group.? ? About me...? I am the?quiet one that sits in the back?of the class not wanting any attention. I have a huge problem with putting myself out there.??I live in Eastern Washington and I am building a K-350...... and, because of the above, have not posted my project pictures on the site.? I keep thinking that I am going to do this but I just haven't taken the time (or built up the nerve).? I am a pencil pusher.? I don't have a mechanical bone in my body!? So some of the most basic things are very difficult for me to get my arms around.? Want to negotiate a $500,000 deal, I'm your guy!? Want to hook up an electrical panel... Ahhhhhhh??????????? I have made almost all of my structural parts, have had them welded and am now working on my electrical and have not a clue what I am doing at this point.? I am struggling with some of the most basic items (like finding the correct ampere meter) and for some reason have a mental block on how to proceed.? I really appreciate your response and will follow the link! ? I am at the point where the red head has told me to "get that stupid thing done" and I am not going to question it!? With her recent permission, I have a renewed energy?level and will be doing what ever possible so that I am?testing in August!? So with that said, I am going to be asking a bunch of very basic, stupid questions!? I will do my best to go back through the archives as to not bog the group down with previous topics. ? Hank... Any chance you will be making a journey to Spokane any time soon??? ? Thanks again everybody!!!? And with your help, and a little luck, I will be dragging my boat to the next Psubs convention on the east coats so you all can teach me how to dive it! ? Bob From: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 5:01:59 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Hi, not sure who I am talking to, but the brushless motors put out a lot less electronic noise, so less interferance with sensitive equipment. They don't wear out as quickly, as they don't have brushes, & you get more power? for the same size unit. About 7 out of 8 thruster manufacturers use BLDC motors. There are a host of cheap motors at "Hobby King" With 785 Watt motors for $25- http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__522__517__Electric_Motors-45_to_50mm.html You need an esc (electronic speed controller ) which costs about $50-. The escs normally work off a receiver sending them commands from the remote control transmitter. However there are control units you can buy that are wired straight to the esc. I ?am experimenting with BLDC motors at the moment & are wanting to make up a thruster. Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Is there a reason I should go with a?brushless motor?? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more expensive.? Is there an email thread on this already?? Has this been a topic of discussion in the past? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 21:03:45 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 02:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor In-Reply-To: <20150114175701.80E656F4@m0048137.ppops.net> References: <20150114175701.80E656F4@m0048137.ppops.net> Message-ID: <866792241.810116.1421287425069.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10065.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Brian,how do they cool the oil?Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Making a trip tomorrow to check out the new oil cooled motor!?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bob,yes I remember you from Washington.I am the guy from New Zealand with the funny accent.A lot of people on site are using Minn Kotta trolling motors.A number of people have recently purchased Minn Kota 101swith the Minn Kota controller. If you went that route you wouldhave a lot of help, & the Minn kotas are a tried & true solution.I am not sure what the consensus is on compensating them.I am intending to oil compensate my home made thrusters,mainly to help disipate the heat; & will pressurize the oil with air,slightly above ambient.IVC in Vancouver sell thruster assemblies for $2,195- each.http://www.ivccorp.com/content.html?page=2 I can't tell you what the assembly comprises.Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Alan, ?Thank you for your reply.? My name is Bob Travis.? I don't know how to make my name show up on my emails like the rest of the group and I apologize for not signing my question.? I have watched the threads for years now and I met some of you at the Psubs convention in Washington this last year (I was the one that no one was expecting).? But for the?most part, I have just watched, read?and?attempted to learn.???A little background...? I started dreaming about a sub in 2005.? My wife (aka.. the read head) gave me permission to proceed, but of course, has occasionally put up some road blocks which has delayed things a bit.? I started the actual construction a little over 5 years ago.? I have studied Trustworthy, Persistence and Guernsey Submarine as well as?snoopy and some of the?other boats on the site?and have gained great a great bit of knowledge and direction.? I have also learned an amazing amount from reading the threads from the group.? ?About me...? I am the?quiet one that sits in the back?of the class not wanting any attention. I have a huge problem with putting myself out there.??I live in Eastern Washington and I am building a K-350...... and, because of the above, have not posted my project pictures on the site.? I keep thinking that I am going to do this but I just haven't taken the time (or built up the nerve).? I am a pencil pusher.? I don't have a mechanical bone in my body!? So some of the most basic things are very difficult for me to get my arms around.? Want to negotiate a $500,000 deal, I'm your guy!? Want to hook up an electrical panel... Ahhhhhhh??????????? I have made almost all of my structural parts, have had them welded and am now working on my electrical and have not a clue what I am doing at this point.? I am struggling with some of the most basic items (like finding the correct ampere meter) and for some reason have a mental block on how to proceed.? I really appreciate your response and will follow the link!?I am at the point where the red head has told me to "get that stupid thing done" and I am not going to question it!? With her recent permission, I have a renewed energy?level and will be doing what ever possible so that I am?testing in August!? So with that said, I am going to be asking a bunch of very basic, stupid questions!? I will do my best to go back through the archives as to not bog the group down with previous topics.?Hank... Any chance you will be making a journey to Spokane any time soon????Thanks again everybody!!!? And with your help, and a little luck, I will be dragging my boat to the next Psubs convention on the east coats so you all can teach me how to dive it!?Bob From: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 5:01:59 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Hi,not sure who I am talking to, but the brushless motors put out a lot lesselectronic noise, so less interferance with sensitive equipment.They don't wear out as quickly, as they don't have brushes, & you get more power?for the same size unit. About 7 out of 8 thruster manufacturers use BLDC motors.There are a host of cheap motors at "Hobby King" With 785 Watt motors for $25-http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__522__517__Electric_Motors-45_to_50mm.htmlYou need an esc (electronic speed controller ) which costs about $50-.The escs normally work off a receiver sending them commands from the remote control transmitter.However there are control units you can buy that are wired straight to the esc.I ?am experimenting with BLDC motors at the moment & are wanting to make up a thruster.Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "submersibles, personal" Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless motor Is there a reason I should go with a?brushless motor?? I can get a 500 watt, 36 volt scooter motor for about 50 bucks but brushless are harder to find and more expensive.? Is there an email thread on this already?? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 21:12:49 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:12:49 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425563EAA0834613A0E264722953D713@PhillPC> Scott/Alec Both HY-80 and HY 100 are difficult to form and, most problematical, require special welding procedures - quite different than 516 or other mild steels. If you plan to certify, then the certification agency must review and accept the detailed weld procedure and will ask for weld coupons that have been tested and passed. When we first started using high strength steels it took our weld guys several months of trying the procedures they had been advised to use and to, finally, develop their own version of a technique that would pass the required tests. We were only able to find one supplier of HY80/100 in north America and they were uber expensive. We also had to fly a certified surveyor in to the mill to stamp the steel sheets with his mark? and then, later, to transfer the marks when we cut the steel prior to forming. ?Course, iffen it was easy then ev?rybody?d be doin? it!! Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:50 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 That would make sence. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/14/2015 2:15 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 I've always heard HY-100 is quite susceptible to cracking, and thus much harder to fabricate. Alec On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:50 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: So the tinsel strength of HY-80 is 80,000 psi and HY-100 is 100,000 psi, makes since. Why does Phil Nuytten go with HY-80 on the deep worker 3000? It would seem like you would want to go with HY-100 just for added safety. Perhaps HY-100 is harder to weld or more expensive? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/13/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 On 2015-01-12 10:35, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: A little update on my research. I have not given up on HY-80 or HY-100 compared to 516 gr70. I finally found a very good supplier for HY-80 - HY-100. I am getting over the hurdles of finding this stuff, the next hurdle is the welding part of it. Still learning, but can someone tell me the differences in HY-80 compared to HY-100? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 14 22:51:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:51:48 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Message-ID: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> Hi Guys, My two Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar. 3. What are the mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 05:04:51 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:04:51 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <1421286977.8442.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1421286977.8442.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: another job I have with the OP valve is to put a rubber knob on the end of the plunger. The amount of times ive cracked my head on it........ On 15 January 2015 at 01:56, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Brian, > Alec is right on the money, keep track of your pressure. Even with an > over pressure valve there is pressure pushing on the hatch because the of > the area of the oring in the valve. > Hank -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 7:58 PM > > Pretty > much the same as Emile's. I made a disk with lots of > holes in it and a spring- loaded cap on the outside. A wing > nut inside the sub allows you to adjust the cracking > pressure, and "manual override" means pressing on > the stem to make the cap on the outside unseat. We're > talking just a few hours work to make one of these, it's > really simple. > For > those who might not have Kittredge's book, there's a > story in there that is relevant. Kittredge had been tooling > around for a while on the bottom and there was a very slight > air leak in the cabin that he was unaware of. He was about > to break surface when there was a big womp and next thing he > found himself outside the sub swimming, and the sub on the > bottom. The K250 dome had blown out and he'd gone > through behind it. It was his only accident. Bottom line... > Always have an OP valve and a means of monitoring cabin > pressure. > Best, > Alec > > > > On Jan 14, > 2015, at 7:25 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > wrote: > > Alec , what is your over > pressure valve? Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: > > From: Private via > Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:02:45 -0500 > > Hi > Sean, > It's > extremely easy to relieve negative pressure... You just > press the plunger and can do it with one finger. I do this > almost every time before opening the hatch, as a small > negative pressure is SOP. > Best, > Alec > > > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Sean T Stevenson > via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Is it > always possible to manually actuate the valve if you have a > negative differential pressure? I always presumed that a > ball or needle valve would be necessary to equalize pressure > on either side of a hatch before opening, because such a > valve accommodates pressure differences in either > direction. With the overpressure valve, in such a > situation you need to overcome this difference in addition > to the spring preload. That, or I guess you could just bleed > some air or oxygen into the cabin. > Sean > > > > > On January 14, > 2015 12:36:36 PM MST, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > Brian,I seem to remember you can manually operate > Emile'soverpressure > valve; and it is operating procedure to > pressit to relieve the > remaining pressure before opening the > hatch.If you are looking > for an off the shelf solution, make sureyou can do that.Alan > > From: Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > > Sent: Thursday, January > 15, 2015 6:11 AM > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > I don't see where they > list the pressure limit on > it. Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: > > From: James > Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 > > what > about something like > this? I only just googled it so would need research. > Don't quote me on it! > http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm > On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > Is there an off the shelf > over pressure valve that I can > get? Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: > > From: James > Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIS! > T] > Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 > +0000 > > Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I > have a job over the winter to add more or drill existing > holes bigger. > On 14 > January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Mark, > All. > > > > Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is > designed for a > > 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too > quick in case > > of massive overpressure. > > Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. > > > > > > Best regards, Emile > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > > Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles > > Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 > > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > > > Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you > recommend a make and > > model, or describe its specifications? > > > > Regards, > > > > Mark... > > > > Sent from iPhone. > > > > > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via > Personal_Submersibles > > > wrote: > > > > > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of > the snorkel . > > Whats that on the other side ? > > > > > > Pete ? > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles > > > wrote: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > > To: "Personal Submersibles General > Discussion" > > > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > > > > > I > > > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It > is a > > > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. > Alec > > > did the same thing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott Waters > > > > > > > > > -------- Original > > > Message -------- > > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > > > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > > > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning > tower > > > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. > Snorkel > > > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would > be > > > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to > have > > > one. What are your opinions? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 08:01:39 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 05:01:39 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hugh, My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM ? ?Hi Guys,My two Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition.? I? have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions.? It is obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to opening the hatch.? i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1.?????? How many of you are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose.? 2.?????? Breathing this will give you narcosis. ?So is it better to have 2 bottles of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for 16-25 bar depth escapes.? Air could be used up to 8 bar.3.?????? What are the mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs? Hugh. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 08:05:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 05:05:56 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1421327156.38628.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Oops, I meant allowable escape time.-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/15/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 8:01 AM Hugh, My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so short.? One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding.? I think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM ? ? ?Hi Guys,My two Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition.? I? have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions.? It is obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to opening the hatch.? i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1.?????? How many of you are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose.? 2.?????? Breathing this will give you narcosis. ?So is it better to have 2 bottles of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for 16-25 bar depth escapes.? Air could be used up to 8 bar.3.?????? What are the mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs? Hugh. ? __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 10:08:47 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:08:47 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <20150114175536.80E65607@m0048137.ppops.net> References: <20150114175536.80E65607@m0048137.ppops.net> Message-ID: Here you go... taken apart so you can see it better. I haven't done my preseason cleanup, so there's little bits of surface rust. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Any pictures ? > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Private via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:58:57 -0500 > > > Pretty much the same as Emile's. I made a disk with lots of holes in it > and a spring- loaded cap on the outside. A wing nut inside the sub allows > you to adjust the cracking pressure, and "manual override" means pressing > on the stem to make the cap on the outside unseat. We're talking just a few > hours work to make one of these, it's really simple. > > For those who might not have Kittredge's book, there's a story in there > that is relevant. Kittredge had been tooling around for a while on the > bottom and there was a very slight air leak in the cabin that he was > unaware of. He was about to break surface when there was a big womp and > next thing he found himself outside the sub swimming, and the sub on the > bottom. The K250 dome had blown out and he'd gone through behind it. It was > his only accident. Bottom line... Always have an OP valve and a means of > monitoring cabin pressure. > > Best, > > Alec > > > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alec , what is your over pressure valve? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Private via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:02:45 -0500 > > Hi Sean, > > It's extremely easy to relieve negative pressure... You just press the > plunger and can do it with one finger. I do this almost every time before > opening the hatch, as a small negative pressure is SOP. > > Best, > > Alec > > > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Is it always possible to manually actuate the valve if you have a negative > differential pressure? I always presumed that a ball or needle valve would > be necessary to equalize pressure on either side of a hatch before opening, > because such a valve accommodates pressure differences in either > direction. With the overpressure valve, in such a situation you need to > overcome this difference in addition to the spring preload. That, or I > guess you could just bleed some air or oxygen into the cabin. > > Sean > > > On January 14, 2015 12:36:36 PM MST, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Brian, > I seem to remember you can manually operate Emile's > overpressure valve; and it is operating procedure to press > it to relieve the remaining pressure before opening the hatch. > If you are looking for an off the shelf solution, make sure > you can do that. > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 > > what about something like this? I only just googled it so would need > research. Don't quote me on it! > > http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm > > On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIS! T] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 > > Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I have a job over the > winter to add more or drill existing holes bigger. > > On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Mark, All. > > Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a > 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case > of massive overpressure. > Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. > > > Best regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org > ] > Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and > model, or describe its specifications? > > Regards, > > Mark... > > Sent from iPhone. > > > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . > Whats that on the other side ? > > > > Pete ? > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > > > I > > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > > did the same thing. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > -------- Original > > Message -------- > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > > one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > <1399517720.jpg> > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Something else that worries me slightly with these sort of valves is that its just possible for the mushroom top to get knocked off, particularly where I have mine. Unlikely I know, but would be nice to have a protection bar of some sort, or even better, a stop valve on the inside. Anyway, a modification for another day that one. James On 15 January 2015 at 15:19, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Alec, What pressure does the spring hold? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:08:47 -0500 > > Here you go... taken apart so you can see it better. I haven't done my > preseason cleanup, so there's little bits of surface rust. > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Any pictures ? > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Private via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:58:57 -0500 > > > Pretty much the same as Emile's. I made a disk with lots of holes in it > and a spring- loaded cap on the outside. A wing nut inside the sub allows > you to adjust the cracking pressure, and "manual override" means pressing > on the stem to make the cap on the outside unseat. We're talking just a few > hours work to make one of these, it's really simple. > > For those who might not have Kittredge's book, there's a story in there > that is relevant. Kittredge had been tooling around for a while on the > bottom and there was a very slight air leak in the cabin that he was > unaware of. He was about to break surface when there was a big womp and > next thing he found himself outside the sub swimming, and the sub on the > bottom. The K250 dome had blown out and he'd gone through behind it. It was > his only accident. Bottom line... Always have an OP valve and a means of > monitoring cabin pressure. > > Best, > > Alec > > > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alec , what is your over pressure valve? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Private via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:02:45 -0500 > > Hi Sean, > > It's extremely easy to relieve negative pressure... You just press the > plunger and can do it with one finger. I do this almost every time before > opening the hatch, as a small negative pressure is SOP. > > Best, > > Alec > > > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Is it always possible to manually actuate the valve if you have a negative > differential pressure? I always presumed that a ball or needle valve would > be necessary to equalize pressure on either side of a hatch before opening, > because such a valve accommodates pressure differences in either > direction. With the overpressure valve, in such a situation you need to > overcome this difference in addition to the spring preload. That, or I > guess you could just bleed some air or oxygen into the cabin. > > Sean > > > On January 14, 2015 12:36:36 PM MST, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Brian, > I seem to remember you can manually operate Emile's > overpressure valve; and it is operating procedure to press > it to relieve the remaining pressure before opening the hatch. > If you are looking for an off the shelf solution, make sure > you can do that. > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 > > what about something like this? I only just googled it so would need > research. Don't quote me on it! > > http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm > > On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIS! T] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 > > Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I have a job over the > winter to add more or drill existing holes bigger. > > On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Mark, All. > > Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a > 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case > of massive overpressure. > Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. > > > Best regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org > ] > Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and > model, or describe its specifications? > > Regards, > > Mark... > > Sent from iPhone. > > > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . > Whats that on the other side ? > > > > Pete ? > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > > > I > > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > > did the same thing. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > -------- Original > > Message -------- > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > > one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > <1399517720.jpg> > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > --047d7b86c8989cd62d050cb23b69--_______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 12:56:04 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:56:04 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hugh, We changed the couples for standard Scuba ones. I don't bother about the gas as the time should be very short. Not said this is the best.. Anyway the Flood valve should be BIG. A. 1"ballvave is way to small. Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: donderdag 15 januari 2015 4:52 Aan: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Hi Guys, My two Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar. 3. What are the mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 12:56:04 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:56:04 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Always good to have vulnerable parts protected. I have my OPV and penplates on top of the hull under the deck. Having those above the surfaced WL is another advantage. At the OPV of my sub is a hand knob to equalize pressure from the outside ( In case there is a vacuum inside due to a temperature drop) Any Scuba divers around should not know about this knob as the can make your dive a wet one. Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: donderdag 15 januari 2015 17:02 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Hi Alec, What size are the holes? Something else that worries me slightly with these sort of valves is that its just possible for the mushroom top to get knocked off, particularly where I have mine. Unlikely I know, but would be nice to have a protection bar of some sort, or even better, a stop valve on the inside. Anyway, a modification for another day that one. James On 15 January 2015 at 15:19, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alec, What pressure does the spring hold? Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:08:47 -0500 Here you go... taken apart so you can see it better. I haven't done my preseason cleanup, so there's little bits of surface rust. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Any pictures ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Private via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:58:57 -0500 Pretty much the same as Emile's. I made a disk with lots of holes in it and a spring- loaded cap on the outside. A wing nut inside the sub allows you to adjust the cracking pressure, and "manual override" means pressing on the stem to make the cap on the outside unseat. We're talking just a few hours work to make one of these, it's really simple. For those who might not have Kittredge's book, there's a story in there that is relevant. Kittredge had been tooling around for a while on the bottom and there was a very slight air leak in the cabin that he was unaware of. He was about to break surface when there was a big womp and next thing he found himself outside the sub swimming, and the sub on the bottom. The K250 dome had blown out and he'd gone through behind it. It was his only accident. Bottom line... Always have an OP valve and a means of monitoring cabin pressure. Best, Alec On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec , what is your over pressure valve? Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Private via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:02:45 -0500 Hi Sean, It's extremely easy to relieve negative pressure... You just press the plunger and can do it with one finger. I do this almost every time before opening the hatch, as a small negative pressure is SOP. Best, Alec On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is it always possible to manually actuate the valve if you have a negative differential pressure? I always presumed that a ball or needle valve would be necessary to equalize pressure on either side of a hatch before opening, because such a valve accommodates pressure differences in either direction. With the overpressure valve, in such a situation you need to overcome this difference in addition to the spring preload. That, or I guess you could just bleed some air or oxygen into the cabin. Sean On January 14, 2015 12:36:36 PM MST, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian, I seem to remember you can manually operate Emile's overpressure valve; and it is operating procedure to press it to relieve the remaining pressure before opening the hatch. If you are looking for an off the shelf solution, make sure you can do that. Alan _____ From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 what about something like this? I only just googled it so would need research. Don't quote me on it! http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get? Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIS! T] Snorkel Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I have a job over the winter to add more or drill existing holes bigger. On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Mark, All. Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case of massive overpressure. Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. Best regards, Emile -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and model, or describe its specifications? Regards, Mark... Sent from iPhone. > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . Whats that on the other side ? > > Pete ? > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > I > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > did the same thing. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original > Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > one. What are your opinions? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 14:40:06 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 08:40:06 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would have to weld through the hull. My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. Hugh -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Hugh, My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM ? ?Hi Guys,My two Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition.? I? have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions.? It is obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to opening the hatch.? i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose.? 2. Breathing this will give you narcosis. ?So is it better to have 2 bottles of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for 16-25 bar depth escapes.? Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 minutes to pressurise and escape. 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In-Reply-To: <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarine?s escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 15:07:13 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:07:13 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54B81DF1.6020408@landnseawelding.com> also breathing regular air past 150' or so, depending on the person, can make it hard to make sound decisions and if you have to ditch, you definitely want a clear head. Rick On 1/15/2015 9:40 AM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 16:13:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 21:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> References: <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> Message-ID: <1448915509.1088826.1421356406735.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10027.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10 minuteswill half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent of 33ft.So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just getsexponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure differentialbetween inside & outside gets less making the filling slower.As Phil says, you need to add air for the last part.One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no controlof the flood valve.?Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that toldyou what was happening at various depths & what the dangers ofnarcosis & decompression sickness were.Alan From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinkehood?can be use with air, ever in greater deep the?time to the surface will be very short. More serious isthe flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes toflood?the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more whichgas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illnessor dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short aspossible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas fromthe boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your floodcpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the SteinkeHood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop theunit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 anotherfrom the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstratedthe effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others fromDenmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate anescape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off thecoast of Denmark. The submarine?s escape tower had a four to six minutes recycletime, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) butthey used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked asbriefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, thepressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required forthe ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting insmooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton viaPersonal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going toput one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > Myconcern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will befairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allowclearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----OriginalMessage----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] >On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday,16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles GeneralDiscussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with SteinkeHoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regulartank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of themembers posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think itis something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have aflood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank >-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15,Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape withSteinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles GeneralDiscussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > ? > ?Hi Guys,Mytwo > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition.? I? > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions.? It is > obvious you needa fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening thehatch.? i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then youneed > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Arocoupling for this purpose.? 2. > Breathing this will giveyou narcosis. ?So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixedgas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and onefor > 16-25 bar depth escapes.? Air could be used up to 8bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths toprevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise andescape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > Themessage was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115)__________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version ofvirus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115)__________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus,version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115)__________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 16:21:30 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (John Kammerer via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:21:30 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <54B81DF1.6020408@landnseawelding.com> References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> <54B81DF1.6020408@landnseawelding.com> Message-ID: <740C10C6-F76E-4529-A653-2C1B42050C17@optonline.net> Hi All: On a free assent from greater than one atmosphere, after you take that last breath and head for the surface you should only exhale. As you pass through each level air will expand in your lungs, it's a strange feeling but it works. If you don't exhale your lungs could rupture and you die. John K. (203) 414-1000 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > also breathing regular air past 150' or so, depending on the person, can make it hard to make sound decisions and if you have to ditch, you definitely want a clear head. > > Rick >> On 1/15/2015 9:40 AM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would >> have to weld through the hull. >> My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly >> severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. >> Hugh >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] >> On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. >> >> Hugh, >> My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so >> short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I >> think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. >> Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. >> Hank >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. >> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM >> Hi Guys,My two >> Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I >> have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is >> obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to >> opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need >> to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you >> are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. >> Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles >> of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for >> 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the >> mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 >> minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> http://www.eset.com >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 11017 (20150115) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 11020 (20150115) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 11021 (20150115) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 11021 (20150115) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 16:31:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:31:02 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54b831b5.83c4440a.7a8c.6bb7@mx.google.com> Hi Emile, Scuba connectors make sense. New sub has 2 x 1.0" valves. Originally had 2 x 2" valves but I was concerned that while fast looked good the last pressurization from say 5 bar to 12 bar will be very fast because of reduced amount of water to increase that pressure. If you are in shallow water say under 100 ft then I think large is good but if it takes 33 seconds to reach full pressure it will take only approx half that to increase from 33 ft equivalent at half full. That is diving at a rate of 360 ft in 15 seconds. I am concerned that maximum diving speed is 90 ft / minute which is why I downsized my valves to the 2 x 1.0". I found this programme for estimating flooding times from I cant remember where but it gives out some numbers. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 6:56 a.m. To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Hugh, We changed the couples for standard Scuba ones. I don't bother about the gas as the time should be very short. Not said this is the best.. Anyway the Flood valve should be BIG. A. 1"ballvave is way to small. Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bo unces at psubs.org] Namens Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: donderdag 15 januari 2015 4:52 Aan: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Hi Guys, My two Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar. 3. What are the mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11020 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 28167 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 16:43:47 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:43:47 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <1448915509.1088826.1421356406735.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10027.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> <1448915509.1088826.1421356406735.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10027.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54b834b4.c9e6440a.4cde.69f7@mx.google.com> Alan, 20 minutes is out of the question. 2 minutes is too much but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there. The big thing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis. They found a lot of bodies half out of the hatch in war subs. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10 minutes will half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent of 33ft. So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just gets exponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure differential between inside & outside gets less making the filling slower. As Phil says, you need to add air for the last part. One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no control of the flood valve. Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that told you what was happening at various depths & what the dangers of narcosis & decompression sickness were. Alan _____ From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarine?s escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 16:46:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:46:03 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> Message-ID: <54b83539.427a420a.7866.6dae@mx.google.com> Hi Carsten, I know you are very organized with your sub. Do you have a written procedure for escaping from your sub? Regards, Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 9:05 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarine?s escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 16:48:37 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:48:37 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> Message-ID: <54b835d4.63e7440a.3a83.6cdd@mx.google.com> Another question is do you need to decompress if using Helium mix in the short time it takes to get to the surface? How fast is the ascent in metres per second with the Steinke flotation. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 9:05 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarine?s escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 17:01:10 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:01:10 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1421359270.90514.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hugh, I am with you, I will not cut a hole in Gamma, I think however it is well worth it to sacrifice a port and install a penetrator plate with a large flood valve. With out it your screwed. A good friend of mine, a record holding deep diver, told me escape was very doable, but cold and dark. He recommended taking a breath of Helium prior to escape. I think it was Helium. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/15/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Received: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 2:40 PM Hi Hank,? Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would have to weld through the hull. My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. Hugh -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Hugh, My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so short.? One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding.? I think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM ? ? ?Hi Guys,My two Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good? condition.? I? have looked at the escape training? video which was great. Questions.? It is obvious you? need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to opening the hatch.? i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres? depth then you need to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar)? pressurised air. 1.? How many of you are? adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this? purpose.? 2. Breathing this will? give you narcosis. ?So is it better to have 2 bottles of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth? escapes and one for 16-25 bar depth escapes.? Air could? be used up to 8 bar.3.? What are the mixes? recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could? take 5 minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs? 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In-Reply-To: <54b834b4.c9e6440a.4cde.69f7@mx.google.com> References: <54b834b4.c9e6440a.4cde.69f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <942972409.1105821.1421359487780.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Hugh,the twenty minutes was a response to Carsten. I guess he needs that for his sub.G.L. don't require a flood valve. I questioned them about this & they just rely on?other initiatives to get the sub up.A pity if you were in 30ft of water & couldn't be found.Alan From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. #yiv8574289492 #yiv8574289492 -- _filtered #yiv8574289492 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8574289492 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8574289492 {font-family:helveticaneue;}#yiv8574289492 #yiv8574289492 p.yiv8574289492MsoNormal, #yiv8574289492 li.yiv8574289492MsoNormal, #yiv8574289492 div.yiv8574289492MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8574289492 h3 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:13.5pt;}#yiv8574289492 a:link, #yiv8574289492 span.yiv8574289492MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8574289492 a:visited, #yiv8574289492 span.yiv8574289492MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8574289492 p.yiv8574289492MsoAcetate, #yiv8574289492 li.yiv8574289492MsoAcetate, #yiv8574289492 div.yiv8574289492MsoAcetate {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv8574289492 span.yiv8574289492Heading3Char {color:#4F81BD;font-weight:bold;}#yiv8574289492 span.yiv8574289492EmailStyle19 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8574289492 span.yiv8574289492BalloonTextChar {}#yiv8574289492 .yiv8574289492MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv8574289492 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8574289492 div.yiv8574289492WordSection1 {}#yiv8574289492 Alan,? 20 minutes is out of the question.? 2 minutes is too much but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there.? The big thing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis.? They found a lot of bodies half out of the hatch in war subs.? Hugh ? ? ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. ?If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10 minuteswill half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent of 33ft.So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just getsexponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure differentialbetween inside & outside gets less making the filling slower.As Phil says, you need to add air for the last part.One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no controlof the flood valve.?Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that toldyou what was happening at various depths & what the dangers ofnarcosis & decompression sickness were.Alan ?From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. ?The Steinke hood?can be use with air, ever in greater deep the?time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood?the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarine?s escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten ? "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > ? > ?Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition.? I? > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions.? It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch.? i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose.? 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. ?So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes.? Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 17:25:13 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:25:13 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Re: FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Message-ID: <1421360713.96413.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 1/15/15, hank pronk wrote: > From: hank pronk > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Received: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 5:01 PM > > Hugh, > I am with you, I will not cut a hole in Gamma, > I think however it is? well worth it to sacrifice a port > and install a penetrator plate with a large flood valve.? > With out it your screwed. A good friend of mine, a record > holding deep diver, told me escape was very doable, but cold > and dark.? He recommended taking a breath of Helium prior > to escape. I think it was Helium. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 1/15/15, Hugh Fulton via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General > Discussion'" > Received: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 2:40 > PM > > Hi Hank,? Comsub has > no > flood valves and I was going to put one > in but would > have to weld through the > hull. > My concern is that the effects of > narcosis at > that depth will be fairly > severe and that a > mixed gas > might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via > > Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 > January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: > Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My > > understanding is, use regular tank air because your > bottom > time is so > short.? > One of the members > posted an allowable time > chart for flooding.? I > think it is > something like 1min 30 sec for 400 > feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma > never did until I put one in. > > Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > ? > Subject: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with > Steinke Hoods. > ? To: "'Personal > Submersibles General > > Discussion'" > > ? Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, > 10:51 > PM > ? > ? > ? > > ? > ? ? > ? > ?Hi > Guys,My two > ? Steinke > hoods turned up. Made > in USA 1982. Still in > good? condition.? I? > have looked at the > escape training? video > which was great. > Questions.? It is > obvious > > you? need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth > prior > to > opening the > hatch.? i.e. if you are at > 10 > atmospheres? depth then you need > to > fill > it with 10 atmospheres (bar)? > pressurised air. 1.? How > many of you > are? adding a Steinke fill hose > with an Aro coupling for this? purpose.? > 2. > Breathing this will? give you narcosis. > ?So > is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas > for this > purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth? escapes and one > for > 16-25 bar depth > escapes.? Air could? > be used up to 8 > bar.3.? What are the > mixes? recommended > for these depths to prevent > narcosis as it > could? take 5 > minutes to > > pressurise and escape. Chs? Hugh. > ? > ? > ? > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 > Antivirus, version > of? virus > signature database 11015 > > (20150114) __________ > ? > ? > The > message was checked by ESET NOD32 > Antivirus. > ? > ? http://www.eset.com > > ? > > ? -----Inline > Attachment Follows----- > ? > > > > _______________________________________________ > ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list > ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ? > > > __________ > Information from ESET NOD32 > Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 11017 (20150115) > > __________ > > The message > was > checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > ? > > > > __________ Information > from ESET NOD32 > Antivirus, version of virus signature > > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by > > ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > ? > > > > __________ Information > from ESET NOD32 > Antivirus, version of virus signature > > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by > > ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > ? > > ? > > > __________ > Information from ESET NOD32 > Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 11021 (20150115) > > __________ > > The message > was checked by > ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > ? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 15 18:35:29 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:35:29 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel In-Reply-To: <20150115071950.80E673E5@m0048137.ppops.net> References: <20150115071950.80E673E5@m0048137.ppops.net> Message-ID: I'm not sure, because it's adjustable with the little knurled nut. I just tried a couple of springs until one worked right. High science! On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Alec, What pressure does the spring hold? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:08:47 -0500 > > Here you go... taken apart so you can see it better. I haven't done my > preseason cleanup, so there's little bits of surface rust. > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Any pictures ? > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Private via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:58:57 -0500 > > > Pretty much the same as Emile's. I made a disk with lots of holes in it > and a spring- loaded cap on the outside. A wing nut inside the sub allows > you to adjust the cracking pressure, and "manual override" means pressing > on the stem to make the cap on the outside unseat. We're talking just a few > hours work to make one of these, it's really simple. > > For those who might not have Kittredge's book, there's a story in there > that is relevant. Kittredge had been tooling around for a while on the > bottom and there was a very slight air leak in the cabin that he was > unaware of. He was about to break surface when there was a big womp and > next thing he found himself outside the sub swimming, and the sub on the > bottom. The K250 dome had blown out and he'd gone through behind it. It was > his only accident. Bottom line... Always have an OP valve and a means of > monitoring cabin pressure. > > Best, > > Alec > > > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alec , what is your over pressure valve? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Private via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:02:45 -0500 > > Hi Sean, > > It's extremely easy to relieve negative pressure... You just press the > plunger and can do it with one finger. I do this almost every time before > opening the hatch, as a small negative pressure is SOP. > > Best, > > Alec > > > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Is it always possible to manually actuate the valve if you have a negative > differential pressure? I always presumed that a ball or needle valve would > be necessary to equalize pressure on either side of a hatch before opening, > because such a valve accommodates pressure differences in either > direction. With the overpressure valve, in such a situation you need to > overcome this difference in addition to the spring preload. That, or I > guess you could just bleed some air or oxygen into the cabin. > > Sean > > > On January 14, 2015 12:36:36 PM MST, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Brian, > I seem to remember you can manually operate Emile's > overpressure valve; and it is operating procedure to press > it to relieve the remaining pressure before opening the hatch. > If you are looking for an off the shelf solution, make sure > you can do that. > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > I don't see where they list the pressure limit on it. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:31:56 +0000 > > what about something like this? I only just googled it so would need > research. Don't quote me on it! > > http://www.haitima.com.tw/valve/check-valve/check-valve-2026.htm > > On 14 January 2015 at 15:55, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Is there an off the shelf over pressure valve that I can get? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIS! T] Snorkel > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:58:24 +0000 > > Yes, my OP valve does not have enough holes. I have a job over the > winter to add more or drill existing holes bigger. > > On 14 January 2015 at 13:04, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Mark, All. > > Mind the area is big enough. The valve in the attachment is designed for a > 3000 Kg sub. But even then it is to small if you surface too quick in case > of massive overpressure. > Cracking pressure: 25-75 mBar. > > > Best regards, Emile > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org > ] > Namens Mark via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 13 januari 2015 13:12 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > Since we are discussing over-pressure valves, can you recommend a make and > model, or describe its specifications? > > Regards, > > Mark... > > Sent from iPhone. > > > On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Scott, I see you have an overpressure valve in place of the snorkel . > Whats that on the other side ? > > > > Pete ? > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 1/12/15, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2015, 5:09 PM > > > > I > > would recommend a cabin overpressure valve instead. It is a > > mushroom valve. You can see pics on my sub page. Alec > > did the same thing. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott Waters > > > > > > -------- Original > > Message -------- > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snorkel > > From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles > > > > Date: Mon, January 12, 2015 3:58 pm > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > I have a set of K 350 plans that I'm using as a > > reference for my own design. I'm using the conning tower > > plans pretty much as per. The question I do have is. Snorkel > > or no snorkel ? On the one hand I can see how it would be > > useful have. On the other hand no other design seems to have > > one. What are your opinions? Snorkel or no snorkel? > > > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > <1399517720.jpg> > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > --047d7b86c8989cd62d050cb23b69--_______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 09:17:55 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:17:55 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D1FFAE5B100121-E14-16985@webmail-vm057.sysops.aol.com> Scott, Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys will crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: psubs Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 09:33:15 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 08:33:15 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Message-ID: <7bcwcdpiiwo116l6gf5tvmnp.1421418795155@email.android.com> Vance, They are 7", but I wanted to put them somewhat close to my main veiwport which has a fairly big tru hull of I believe 20" ( I would have to measure to confirm). The reasoning for this is I am making the control with sub cons so if I disconnect the arm and pull straight back, the plugs will disconnect. If I have to put the removeable 7" plate on the side of the sub, I would have to find some way to put everything at a 90?. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 8:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Scott, Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys will crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: psubs Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 10:14:13 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:14:13 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls In-Reply-To: <7bcwcdpiiwo116l6gf5tvmnp.1421418795155@email.android.com> References: <7bcwcdpiiwo116l6gf5tvmnp.1421418795155@email.android.com> Message-ID: <8D1FFB638480625-1E04-154CF@webmail-vm047.sysops.aol.com> It's not hard to do that. You put the quick disconnects out near the arm release point and whatever disconnects it, also disconnects the hydraulics. Personally, I'd rather have extra viewports on either side of the big window. I do know that you have to avoid compromising the knuckle where the head transitions from cylinder to ellipse. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:33 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Vance, They are 7", but I wanted to put them somewhat close to my main veiwport which has a fairly big tru hull of I believe 20" ( I would have to measure to confirm). The reasoning for this is I am making the control with sub cons so if I disconnect the arm and pull straight back, the plugs will disconnect. If I have to put the removeable 7" plate on the side of the sub, I would have to find some way to put everything at a 90?. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 8:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Scott, Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys will crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: psubs Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 10:20:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?b?IkNhcnN0ZW4gU3RhbmRmdd8i?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: 16 Jan 2015 15:20 GMT Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <54b83539.427a420a.7866.6dae@mx.google.com> References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> <54b83539.427a420a.7866.6dae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1YC8hS-4HfibI0@fwd30.t-online.de> Somebody has to check if the surface is clean - so Commander first. :-) We have written protocolls / diagramms for nearly everything.. .. but not for that. We make a trainning course instead.. There are to much possibilities in that sub. Escape from the sail, escape from the chamber, with scuba gear, with Steinke hood, without gear, waiting in the sub, repair the sub etc. But Emile is right we take two conversions on the Steinke hoods: New neck skirt from neopren and a scuba adapter. I personal think the unit will also work semi blown or even not blown. The decreasing water presserue will do the "blow job"..during accent. VBR Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: Hi Carsten, I know you are very organized with your sub. Do you have a written procedure for escaping from your sub? Regards, Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 9:05 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarine?s escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 10:21:07 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Seaquestor via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 07:21:07 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Message-ID: <6prm9fn8yr387odtwqmonqc5.1421421667622@email.android.com> Hi Scott, it seems to me I saw 90 degree oil compensated subconn ?connectors on Phil's deep workers. I will check my photos from the shop tour. Best Regards, ?David Colombo Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" Date: 01/16/2015 6:33 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Vance, They are 7", but I wanted to put them somewhat close to my main veiwport which has a fairly big tru hull of I believe 20" ( I would have to measure to confirm). The reasoning for this is I am making the control with sub cons so if I disconnect the arm and pull straight back, the plugs will disconnect. If I have to put the removeable 7" plate on the side of the sub, I would have to find some way to put everything at a 90?. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 8:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Scott, Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys will crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: psubs Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 10:33:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?b?IkNhcnN0ZW4gU3RhbmRmdd8i?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: 16 Jan 2015 15:33 GMT Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <54b835d4.63e7440a.3a83.6cdd@mx.google.com> References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> <54b835d4.63e7440a.3a83.6cdd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1YC8uF-3RpRvE0@fwd18.t-online.de> "SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. .. and nine seconds required for the ascent. " Means around 13 feet per second. euqal to 4 m per sec in a Full suit. Assume Steinke hoods will be simillar. Means 200 meter in 50 second. Take a big breath if you get out and than breath out all the time.. No gas gets into your body during the time to get to the surface. No Need for helium. The surfaceing time is to short to get decomprssion thickness - but read the Pachoa Report again - you can learn a lot from that. The as scuba diver escaping crewman died after surfacing because they stay one and a half hour in the chamber under pressure.. in just 40 m deep or so. On a german submarine in World war one a crewman escape after a day from 32m deep wreck without problems. And without any gear. The guy from the Nekton escape from 80 meter after a window breaks even without a gear. I make a emergency surfacing from 24 meter as subadiver as my rebreather stops working because of a broken valve. vbr Carsten Another question is do you need to decompress if using Helium mix in the short time it takes to get to the surface? How fast is the ascent in metres per second with the Steinke flotation. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 9:05 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarine?s escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 10:39:29 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:39:29 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just for everyone else, what we are talking about here is not a penetrator but a removable bulkhead into which you can screw penetrators. What Snoopy has on her stern endcap, which is on the project page. Scott, these should go on the head itself, but as Vance mentioned avoid the knuckle (the part where the head has maximum curvature). I wanted to add to that you should not put these in the cylindrical portion of the hull. The bulkhead seats are beefy, but even so if you weld them into the cylinder the weld tension will bend them out of plane and they will no longer offer a flat seat. Its hard to explain in an email, but the reason this happens is, when you weld them into the cylinder, the weld itself is not on a flat plane as it goes around the insert, it is curved. If you put them into the endcaps, the weld is in almost the same plane all the way around and the insert will not distort. Locating smaller through-hulls (like one or two inch diameter) on the cylinder does not present this problem, but the big ones do. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:00 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my > manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the > sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the > structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 10:40:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?b?IkNhcnN0ZW4gU3RhbmRmdd8i?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: 16 Jan 2015 15:40 GMT Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <942972409.1105821.1421359487780.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <54b834b4.c9e6440a.4cde.69f7@mx.google.com> <942972409.1105821.1421359487780.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1YC90K-0q2uvY0@fwd10.t-online.de> 20 Minutes was just to explain. If I unlock the diver exit hatch with 2,6 feet clear diameter it takes a few seconds to flood the chamber.. Or even a few minutes to flood the submarine. But we have allways a emergency gas bottels in the chamber. There is no need to flood the chamber. We just fill the chamber with gas as usual - and so slow and quick as we want. "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: Hi Hugh, the twenty minutes was a response to Carsten. I guess he needs that for his sub. G.L. don't require a flood valve. I questioned them about this & they just rely on other initiatives to get the sub up. A pity if you were in 30ft of water & couldn't be found. Alan From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Alan, 20 minutes is out of the question. 2 minutes is too much but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there. The big thing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis. They found a lot of bodies half out of the hatch in war subs. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10 minutes will half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent of 33ft. So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just gets exponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure differential between inside & outside gets less making the filling slower. As Phil says, you need to add air for the last part. One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no control of the flood valve. Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that told you what was happening at various depths & what the dangers of narcosis & decompression sickness were. Alan From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarines escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 11:01:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?b?IkNhcnN0ZW4gU3RhbmRmdd8i?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: 16 Jan 2015 16:01 GMT Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <942972409.1105821.1421359487780.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <54b834b4.c9e6440a.4cde.69f7@mx.google.com> <942972409.1105821.1421359487780.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1YC9LH-3oVz5E0@fwd29.t-online.de> Maybe because GL not operate submarines.. Maybe they assume that the operators are not expirence scuba divers. SL require flood valve and over pressure valves.. .. but there supervisor operates submarines and are scuba diver. On the other side: Nobody from us wear ever a parachute if he climb into a passenger aircraft.. Maybe I should do on my next trip - just to see the faces of the stewardesses.. The airlines belive that there are better way to get the passangers home. vbr Carsten "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: Hi Hugh, the twenty minutes was a response to Carsten. I guess he needs that for his sub. G.L. don't require a flood valve. I questioned them about this & they just rely on other initiatives to get the sub up. A pity if you were in 30ft of water & couldn't be found. Alan From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Alan, 20 minutes is out of the question. 2 minutes is too much but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there. The big thing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis. They found a lot of bodies half out of the hatch in war subs. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10 minutes will half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent of 33ft. So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just gets exponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure differential between inside & outside gets less making the filling slower. As Phil says, you need to add air for the last part. One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no control of the flood valve. Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that told you what was happening at various depths & what the dangers of narcosis & decompression sickness were. Alan From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarines escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 11:45:38 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:45:38 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Message-ID: I think I just figured out how I am going to do it. I will put the pentrator on the bottom of the sub in between the ribs. Both manipulator arms can share the single penetrator and hook right into the hydrolic resevor box.? Thanks! Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 9:14 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls It's not hard to do that. You put the quick disconnects out near the arm release point and whatever disconnects it, also disconnects the hydraulics. Personally, I'd rather have extra viewports on either side of the big window. I do know that you have to avoid compromising the knuckle where the head transitions from cylinder to ellipse. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:33 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Vance, They are 7", but I wanted to put them somewhat close to my main veiwport which has a fairly big tru hull of I believe 20" ( I would have to measure to confirm). The reasoning for this is I am making the control with sub cons so if I disconnect the arm and pull straight back, the plugs will disconnect. If I have to put the removeable 7" plate on the side of the sub, I would have to find some way to put everything at a 90?. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 8:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Scott, Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys will crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: psubs Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 11:52:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:52:03 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Message-ID: <9rfdv443qygfvamabv76fs6u.1421427123313@email.android.com> Good point Alec. I understand what you are saying. Pehaps I should redesign it to be thicker and be similar to a side veiwport. Thoughts? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 9:39 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Just for everyone else, what we are talking about here is not a penetrator but a removable bulkhead into which you can screw penetrators. What Snoopy has on her stern endcap, which is on the project page. Scott, these should go on the head itself, but as Vance mentioned avoid the knuckle (the part where the head has maximum curvature). I wanted to add to that you should not put these in the cylindrical portion of the hull. The bulkhead seats are beefy, but even so if you weld them into the cylinder the weld tension will bend them out of plane and they will no longer offer a flat seat. Its hard to explain in an email, but the reason this happens is, when you weld them into the cylinder, the weld itself is not on a flat plane as it goes around the insert, it is curved. If you put them into the endcaps, the weld is in almost the same plane all the way around and the insert will not distort. Locating smaller through-hulls (like one or two inch diameter) on the cylinder does not present this problem, but the big ones do. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:00 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 11:53:39 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:53:39 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, please not there! I did it, and it took me weeks to correct the weld distortion. I had to build a custom tool to re-machine the seat in place. Give me a call if my last email was not clear. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I think I just figured out how I am going to do it. I will put the > pentrator on the bottom of the sub in between the ribs. Both manipulator > arms can share the single penetrator and hook right into the hydrolic > resevor box. > Thanks! > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/16/2015 9:14 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls > > It's not hard to do that. You put the quick disconnects out near the arm > release point and whatever disconnects it, also disconnects the hydraulics. > Personally, I'd rather have extra viewports on either side of the big > window. I do know that you have to avoid compromising the knuckle where the > head transitions from cylinder to ellipse. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:33 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls > > Vance, > They are 7", but I wanted to put them somewhat close to my main veiwport > which has a fairly big tru hull of I believe 20" ( I would have to measure > to confirm). The reasoning for this is I am making the control with sub > cons so if I disconnect the arm and pull straight back, the plugs will > disconnect. If I have to put the removeable 7" plate on the side of the > sub, I would have to find some way to put everything at a 90?. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/16/2015 8:17 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls > > Scott, > Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were > about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys will > crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: psubs > Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls > > I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for > my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the > sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the > structure. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 11:59:16 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 08:59:16 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1421427556.59168.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, Why such a big penetrator plate for just control wires? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/16/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 16, 2015, 11:53 AM Scott, please not there! I did it, and it took me weeks to correct the weld distortion. I had to build a custom tool to re-machine the seat in place. Give me a call if my last email was not clear. Best, Alec? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I think I just figured out how I am going to do it. I will put the pentrator on the bottom of the sub in between the ribs. Both manipulator arms can share the single penetrator and hook right into the hydrolic resevor box.?Thanks!Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 9:14 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls It's not hard to do that. You put the quick disconnects out near the arm release point and whatever disconnects it,?also disconnects the hydraulics. Personally, I'd rather have extra viewports on either side of the big window. I do know that you have to avoid compromising the knuckle where the head transitions from cylinder to ellipse.? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:33 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Vance, They are 7", but I wanted to put them somewhat close to my main veiwport which has a fairly big tru hull of I believe 20" ( I would have to measure to confirm). The reasoning for this is I am making the control with sub cons so if I disconnect the arm and pull straight back, the plugs will disconnect. If I have to put the removeable 7" plate on the side of the sub, I would have to find some way to put everything at a 90?. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 8:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Scott, Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys will crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: psubs Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 12:07:08 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:07:08 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls In-Reply-To: <9rfdv443qygfvamabv76fs6u.1421427123313@email.android.com> References: <9rfdv443qygfvamabv76fs6u.1421427123313@email.android.com> Message-ID: Well here we get into ambiguous territory because I don't know how thick is thick enough to prevent distortion. One significant difference with a window seat is that the window seat is carbon steel rather than stainless, and I suspect SS will distort much more easily. If you can find an installation spot on the head, your design will be way more efficient in weight and $$$ because 1" thick material will suffice. I don't know, you might need to go to 3" or something. Or perhaps you could use 1" if you bolted it between two very solid steel discs before welding it in. Perhaps Dan L can chime in if he's reading this. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:52 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Good point Alec. I understand what you are saying. Pehaps I should > redesign it to be thicker and be similar to a side veiwport. Thoughts? > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > Date:01/16/2015 9:39 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls > > Just for everyone else, what we are talking about here is not a penetrator > but a removable bulkhead into which you can screw penetrators. What Snoopy > has on her stern endcap, which is on the project page. Scott, these should > go on the head itself, but as Vance mentioned avoid the knuckle (the part > where the head has maximum curvature). I wanted to add to that you should > not put these in the cylindrical portion of the hull. The bulkhead seats > are beefy, but even so if you weld them into the cylinder the weld tension > will bend them out of plane and they will no longer offer a flat seat. Its > hard to explain in an email, but the reason this happens is, when you weld > them into the cylinder, the weld itself is not on a flat plane as it goes > around the insert, it is curved. If you put them into the endcaps, the weld > is in almost the same plane all the way around and the insert will not > distort. > > Locating smaller through-hulls (like one or two inch diameter) on the > cylinder does not present this problem, but the big ones do. > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:00 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for >> my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the >> sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the >> structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 12:14:47 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:14:47 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls In-Reply-To: <8D1FFAE5B100121-E14-16985@webmail-vm057.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D1FFAE5B100121-E14-16985@webmail-vm057.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <218aa166-cd0f-4225-866e-485a49a15aa7@email.android.com> Sorry I'm late to the party, but I had to check through my references. Ordinarily I refer to the ASME code for detail design items, but that document is not free for download and thus of limited utility for discussion here. I did, however, find the appropriate section in the Steel Vessel Rules (2014), which is freely downloadable from eagle.org as with the UVHS rules. In fact, the ABS UVHS Rules defer to the Steel Vessel Rules for compliance, so anybody guiding a design using UVHS should also have a copy of the other reference handy. The relevant sections in the Steel Vessel Rules are: Part 4: Vessel Systems and Machinery Chapter 4: Boilers, Pressure Vessels and Fired Equipment Section 1: Appendix 1 - Rules for Design Essentially, it boils down to the fact that single openings less than 2" nominal pipe size don't require any special analysis if they are in a shell with an inside diameter greater than four times the diameter opening. Note that this is for isolated single openings only. Arrays of openings, such as a penetrator plate with multiple openings, must conform to other restrictions given in that section, and the plate itself must conform to the requirements for unstayed flat heads, also given in that section. Openings larger than the 2" are subject to the same requirements for shell reinforcement as your viewport openings. These requirements are also detailed in that section, although designers should note that for submarines, all reinforcement needs to be integral to shell / nozzle walls and full-penetration welded. Doubler plates are not permitted. Sean On January 16, 2015 7:17:55 AM MST, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >Scott, >Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were >about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys >will crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? >Vance > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles > >To: psubs >Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am >Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls > > > >I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for >my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of >the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the >structure. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 12:16:53 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:16:53 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Message-ID: <9wapkc8eh090741h9p4dam8u.1421428613052@email.android.com> Hank, The reasoning for it is to be able to change things easily. On something like manipulators and tooling, I would expect lots of changes and modifications. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 10:59 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Scott, Why such a big penetrator plate for just control wires? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/16/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 16, 2015, 11:53 AM Scott, please not there! I did it, and it took me weeks to correct the weld distortion. I had to build a custom tool to re-machine the seat in place. Give me a call if my last email was not clear. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I think I just figured out how I am going to do it. I will put the pentrator on the bottom of the sub in between the ribs. Both manipulator arms can share the single penetrator and hook right into the hydrolic resevor box. Thanks!Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 9:14 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls It's not hard to do that. You put the quick disconnects out near the arm release point and whatever disconnects it, also disconnects the hydraulics. Personally, I'd rather have extra viewports on either side of the big window. I do know that you have to avoid compromising the knuckle where the head transitions from cylinder to ellipse. Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:33 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Vance, They are 7", but I wanted to put them somewhat close to my main veiwport which has a fairly big tru hull of I believe 20" ( I would have to measure to confirm). The reasoning for this is I am making the control with sub cons so if I disconnect the arm and pull straight back, the plugs will disconnect. If I have to put the removeable 7" plate on the side of the sub, I would have to find some way to put everything at a 90?. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 8:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Scott, Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys will crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: psubs Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 12:21:39 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:21:39 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Message-ID: Ok. Perhaps I could weld carbon steel with a SS face just like the hatch? Maybe that is a little overboard. Thanks Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 11:07 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Well here we get into ambiguous territory because I don't know how thick is thick enough to prevent distortion. One significant difference with a window seat is that the window seat is carbon steel rather than stainless, and I suspect SS will distort much more easily. If you can find an installation spot on the head, your design will be way more efficient in weight and $$$ because 1" thick material will suffice. I don't know, you might need to go to 3" or something. Or perhaps you could use 1" if you bolted it between two very solid steel discs before welding it in. Perhaps Dan L can chime in if he's reading this. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:52 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good point Alec. I understand what you are saying. Pehaps I should redesign it to be thicker and be similar to a side veiwport. Thoughts? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 9:39 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Just for everyone else, what we are talking about here is not a penetrator but a removable bulkhead into which you can screw penetrators. What Snoopy has on her stern endcap, which is on the project page. Scott, these should go on the head itself, but as Vance mentioned avoid the knuckle (the part where the head has maximum curvature). I wanted to add to that you should not put these in the cylindrical portion of the hull. The bulkhead seats are beefy, but even so if you weld them into the cylinder the weld tension will bend them out of plane and they will no longer offer a flat seat. Its hard to explain in an email, but the reason this happens is, when you weld them into the cylinder, the weld itself is not on a flat plane as it goes around the insert, it is curved. If you put them into the endcaps, the weld is in almost the same plane all the way around and the insert will not distort. Locating smaller through-hulls (like one or two inch diameter) on the cylinder does not present this problem, but the big ones do. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:00 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Take a 6 in grinder with a brand new grinding stone and grind it as flat as you can then spend some time with a flat file, then finish it with a piece of round glass and wet sand paper. Use the glass as a guide with feeler gauges. Bin there done that, and it works great. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/16/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 16, 2015, 12:16 PM Hank,The reasoning for it is to be able to change things easily. On something like manipulators and tooling, I would expect lots of changes and modifications.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/16/2015 10:59 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Scott, Why such a big penetrator plate for just control wires? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/16/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 16, 2015, 11:53 AM Scott, please not there! I did it, and it took me weeks to correct the weld distortion. I had to build a custom tool to re-machine the seat in place. Give me a call if my last email was not clear. Best, Alec? On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I think I just figured out how I am going to do it. I will put the pentrator on the bottom of the sub in between the ribs. Both manipulator arms can share the single penetrator and hook right into the hydrolic resevor box.?Thanks!Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/16/2015? 9:14 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls It's not hard to do that. You put the quick disconnects out near the arm release point and whatever disconnects it,?also disconnects the hydraulics. Personally, I'd rather have extra viewports on either side of the big window. I do know that you have to avoid compromising the knuckle where the head transitions from cylinder to ellipse.? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:33 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Vance, They are 7", but I wanted to put them somewhat close to my main veiwport which has a fairly big tru hull of I believe 20" ( I would have to measure to confirm). The reasoning for this is I am making the control with sub cons so if I disconnect the arm and pull straight back, the plugs will disconnect. If I have to put the removeable 7" plate on the side of the sub, I would have to find some way to put everything at a 90?. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/16/2015? 8:17 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls Scott, Not sure about the engineering, but George told me that if things were about a diameter apart, then they would be okay. Maybe one of the guys will crunch the numbers. How big are these penetrators going to be? Vance -----Original Message----- From: swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles To: psubs Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 9:01 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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In-Reply-To: <1YC9LH-3oVz5E0@fwd29.t-online.de> References: <1YC9LH-3oVz5E0@fwd29.t-online.de> Message-ID: <518155416.1400842.1421442289294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10088.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Carsten,I think G.L. consider that if you keep to all their rules ie. support boat,communication etc, you won't have need for a flood valve becauseyou will be rescued.Also they are an insurance agency & if you are stuck in your sub on? the bottom in an unknown location, then you can't make an insurance claim:)If parachutes were the size of flood valves then everyone would have one.Alan From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. E-Mail Software 6.0Maybe because GL not?operate?submarines..?? Maybe theyassume that the operators are not expirence scuba divers. SL require flood valve and over pressure valves.. .. but theresupervisor operates submarines and are scuba diver. On the other side: Nobody from us wear ever a parachute if he climb into a passenger aircraft..? Maybe I should do on my next trip - just to see thefaces of the stewardesses.. The airlines belive that there are better way toget the passangers home. vbr Carsten "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: HiHugh,the twenty minuteswas a response to Carsten. I guess he needs that for hissub.G.L. don't requirea flood valve. I questioned them about this & they just relyon?other initiativesto get the sub up.A pity if you werein 30ft of water & couldn't be found.Alan From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Friday, January 16, 201510:43 AM Subject: Re:[PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. #yiv5543163956 -- filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv5543163956 filtered {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv5543163956 filtered {font-family:helveticaneue;}#yiv5543163956 p.yiv5543163956MsoNormal, #yiv5543163956 li.yiv5543163956MsoNormal, #yiv5543163956 div.yiv5543163956MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv5543163956 h3 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:13.5pt;}#yiv5543163956 a:link, #yiv5543163956 span.yiv5543163956MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5543163956 a:visited, #yiv5543163956 span.yiv5543163956MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5543163956 p.yiv5543163956MsoAcetate, #yiv5543163956 li.yiv5543163956MsoAcetate, #yiv5543163956 div.yiv5543163956MsoAcetate {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv5543163956 span.yiv5543163956Heading3Char {color:#4F81BD;font-weight:bold;}#yiv5543163956 span.yiv5543163956EmailStyle19 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv5543163956 span.yiv5543163956BalloonTextChar {}#yiv5543163956 .yiv5543163956MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv5543163956 filtered {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv5543163956 div.yiv5543163956WordSection1 {}#yiv5543163956 Alan,? 20 minutes is out of the question.? 2 minutes is toomuch but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there.? The bigthing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis.? They found a lotof bodies half out of the hatch in war subs.? Hugh ? ? ? From: Personal_Submersibles[mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf OfAlan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent:Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m. To: PersonalSubmersibles General Discussion Subject: Re:[PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with SteinkeHoods. ?If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10minuteswill half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalentof 33ft.So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It justgetsexponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressuredifferentialbetween inside & outside gets less making the fillingslower.As Phil says, you need to add air for the lastpart.One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with nocontrolof the flood valve.?Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program thattoldyou what was happening at various depths & what the dangersofnarcosis & decompression sickness were.Alan ?From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with SteinkeHoods. ?The Steinke hood?can be use withair, ever in greater deep the?time to the surface will be veryshort. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood?thesubmarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more whichgas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will getdecompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short aspossible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest ofyou gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into yourflood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is thatit is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstratedthe effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five othersfrom Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits tosimulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. Thesubmarines escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time,(determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) butthey used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exerciseworked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressureequalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds orso, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including adecompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on thesurface. VbrCarsten ? "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and Iwas going to put one in but would > have to weldthrough the hull. > My concern is that the effects ofnarcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe andthat a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From:Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with SteinkeHoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because yourbottom time is so > short. One of the members postedan allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it issomething like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does ComSub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank >-------------------------------------------- > OnWed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles >wrote: > > Subject:[PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To:"'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > ? >?Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Madein USA 1982. Still in good condition.? I? >have looked at the escape training video which was great.Questions.? It is > obvious you need a fill hosefor the initial fill at depth prior to > opening thehatch.? i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air.1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hosewith an Aro coupling for this purpose.? 2. >Breathing this will give you narcosis. ?So is it better to have 2bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depthescapes.? Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosisas it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise andescape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESETNOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signaturedatabase 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline AttachmentFollows----- > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESETNOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information fromESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESETNOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virussignature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESETNOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ? ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versionof virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115)__________ The message was checked byESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 18:19:27 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:19:27 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <1YC9LH-3oVz5E0@fwd29.t-online.de> References: <54b834b4.c9e6440a.4cde.69f7@mx.google.com> <942972409.1105821.1421359487780.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1YC9LH-3oVz5E0@fwd29.t-online.de> Message-ID: <54b99c89.89d1440a.726b.2ebe@mx.google.com> Carsten, of course you are right about flying but the clouds do not have hooks to stop the plane from coming down. Anyway, I appreciate your comments. Keith Gordon just told me the following. A book"Sealab" it relates the story of James Bond who developed sat diving. In 1959 he and another guy did a free ascent from a USN sub in 320ft wearing only mask and a Mae West, they pressurised the escape trunk, breathed hp air, no sign of narcs and opened hatch. Inflated vests, as soon as they hit the ocean they started exhaling, they rose at around 6ft/sec, they broke surface 50 secs after leaving sub. Regards, Hugh :<) From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, 17 January 2015 5:01 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Maybe because GL not operate submarines.. Maybe they assume that the operators are not expirence scuba divers. SL require flood valve and over pressure valves.. .. but there supervisor operates submarines and are scuba diver. On the other side: Nobody from us wear ever a parachute if he climb into a passenger aircraft.. Maybe I should do on my next trip - just to see the faces of the stewardesses.. The airlines belive that there are better way to get the passangers home. vbr Carsten "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: Hi Hugh, the twenty minutes was a response to Carsten. I guess he needs that for his sub. G.L. don't require a flood valve. I questioned them about this & they just rely on other initiatives to get the sub up. A pity if you were in 30ft of water & couldn't be found. Alan _____ From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Alan, 20 minutes is out of the question. 2 minutes is too much but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there. The big thing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis. They found a lot of bodies half out of the hatch in war subs. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10 minutes will half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent of 33ft. So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just gets exponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure differential between inside & outside gets less making the filling slower. As Phil says, you need to add air for the last part. One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no control of the flood valve. Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that told you what was happening at various depths & what the dangers of narcosis & decompression sickness were. Alan _____ From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarines escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [ mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11026 (20150116) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 18:49:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:49:24 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <54b99c89.89d1440a.726b.2ebe@mx.google.com> References: <54b834b4.c9e6440a.4cde.69f7@mx.google.com> <942972409.1105821.1421359487780.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1YC9LH-3oVz5E0@fwd29.t-online.de> <54b99c89.89d1440a.726b.2ebe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8D1FFFE31251695-CFC-16219@webmail-vm156.sysops.aol.com> I wonder if he meant George Bond, who led the team that developed the Navy dive tables to make saturation diving safer? And was Papa Topside, I believe, for the Sealab missions. That was while double-oh seven was making history in the bank accounts of his masters. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Carsten, of course you are right about flying but the clouds do not have hooks to stop the plane from coming down. Anyway, I appreciate your comments. Keith Gordon just told me the following. A book"Sealab" it relates the story of James Bond who developed sat diving. In 1959 he and another guy did a free ascent from a USN sub in 320ft wearing only mask and a Mae West, they pressurised the escape trunk, breathed hp air, no sign of narcs and opened hatch. Inflated vests, as soon as they hit the ocean they started exhaling, they rose at around 6ft/sec, they broke surface 50 secs after leaving sub. Regards, Hugh :<) From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, 17 January 2015 5:01 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Maybe because GL not operate submarines.. Maybe they assume that the operators are not expirence scuba divers. SL require flood valve and over pressure valves.. .. but there supervisor operates submarines and are scuba diver. On the other side: Nobody from us wear ever a parachute if he climb into a passenger aircraft.. Maybe I should do on my next trip - just to see the faces of the stewardesses.. The airlines belive that there are better way to get the passangers home. vbr Carsten "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: Hi Hugh, the twenty minutes was a response to Carsten. I guess he needs that for his sub. G.L. don't require a flood valve. I questioned them about this & they just rely on other initiatives to get the sub up. A pity if you were in 30ft of water & couldn't be found. Alan From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. Alan, 20 minutes is out of the question. 2 minutes is too much but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there. The big thing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis. They found a lot of bodies half out of the hatch in war subs. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10 minutes will half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent of 33ft. So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just gets exponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure differential between inside & outside gets less making the filling slower. As Phil says, you need to add air for the last part. One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no control of the flood valve. Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that told you what was happening at various depths & what the dangers of narcosis & decompression sickness were. Alan From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarines escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 16 19:11:12 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Keith Gordon via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 13:11:12 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <8D1FFFE31251695-CFC-16219@webmail-vm156.sysops.aol.com> References: <54b834b4.c9e6440a.4cde.69f7@mx.google.com> <942972409.1105821.1421359487780.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1YC9LH-3oVz5E0@fwd29.t-online.de> <54b99c89.89d1440a.726b.2ebe@mx.google.com> <8D1FFFE31251695-CFC-16219@webmail-vm156.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <83C47673-B369-40D9-BFBA-F1195C2FB280@xtra.co.nz> Yes same guy. Good book to read I can recommend it. Author Ben Hellwarth. Keith On 17/01/2015, at 12:49 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I wonder if he meant George Bond, who led the team that developed the Navy dive tables to make saturation diving safer? And was Papa Topside, I believe, for the Sealab missions. That was while double-oh seven was making history in the bank accounts of his masters. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 6:20 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Carsten, of course you are right about flying but the clouds do not have hooks to stop the plane from coming down. > Anyway, I appreciate your comments. > Keith Gordon just told me the following. > A book"Sealab" it relates the story of James Bond who developed sat diving. In 1959 he and another guy did a free ascent from a USN sub in 320ft wearing only mask and a Mae West, they pressurised the escape trunk, breathed hp air, no sign of narcs and opened hatch. Inflated vests, as soon as they hit the ocean they started exhaling, they rose at around 6ft/sec, they broke surface 50 secs after leaving sub. > > Regards, Hugh :<) > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Saturday, 17 January 2015 5:01 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Maybe because GL not operate submarines.. > Maybe they assume that the operators are not expirence scuba divers. > > SL require flood valve and over pressure valves.. > .. but there supervisor operates submarines and are scuba diver. > > On the other side: > Nobody from us wear ever a parachute if he climb into a passenger aircraft.. > Maybe I should do on my next trip - just to see the faces of the stewardesses.. > The airlines belive that there are better way to get the passangers home. > > vbr Carsten > > "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hugh, > the twenty minutes was a response to Carsten. I guess he needs that for his sub. > G.L. don't require a flood valve. I questioned them about this & they just rely on > other initiatives to get the sub up. > A pity if you were in 30ft of water & couldn't be found. > Alan > > From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Alan, 20 minutes is out of the question. 2 minutes is too much but the possibilities of ruptured ear drums is there. The big thing I have heard is the cold and the narcosis. They found a lot of bodies half out of the hatch in war subs. Hugh > > > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 10:13 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > If it takes 20 minutes to flood the submarine, then the first 10 minutes > will half fill the sub, at which point you will be at the equivalent of 33ft. > So no problem of decompression sickness to this stage. It just gets > exponentially worse as you continue to flood & the pressure differential > between inside & outside gets less making the filling slower. > As Phil says, you need to add air for the last part. > One of my worries is that you will blow your ear drumbs with no control > of the flood valve. > Would be really good to have some sort of simulator program that told > you what was happening at various depths & what the dangers of > narcosis & decompression sickness were. > Alan > > From: "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. > > If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. > You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. > > The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. > A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. > > One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 > > another from the internet: > Exercise Sorbet Royal > A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarines escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. > > > Vbr Carsten > > > "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > > have to weld through the hull. > > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > > Hugh > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > > > Hugh, > > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > > Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11026 (20150116) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11027 (20150116) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 17 00:58:47 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:58:47 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. In-Reply-To: <1YC8uF-3RpRvE0@fwd18.t-online.de> References: <54b73971.69e2440a.364a.121e@mx.google.com> <1421326899.41075.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54b817b5.a7be440a.0501.3616@mx.google.com> <1YBqfY-2JKKUS0@fwd18.t-online.de> <54b835d4.63e7440a.3a83.6cdd@mx.google.com> <1YC8uF-3RpRvE0@fwd18.t-online.de> Message-ID: <54b9fa23.e922460a.67cb.1922@mx.google.com> I think that escape from Carsten?s sub is where I would want to be but in a small P-Sub it is going to require too much air to pressurize. For example a sub at 48? diameter x 72? length is approximately 80 cubic feet. If you were at 100 meters depth say 10 atmospheres then to pressurize the cabin to escape would require 10 x 80 cu ft air cylinders. Even if you flood to half way and then top up with air you will need five 80 cu ft dive cylinders of air. So chances are that the air would be depleted by attempts to blow the ballast. Therefore it is unlikely that you would have enough air to do any equalization. For the hoods it looks as though they hold about 10 litres so 2 of them 20 litres and at 10 bar they would need approx 200 litres of air to inflate fully. Approximately 7 cu ft. So no problem for them. So a possible procedure for escaping might be:- Procedure For 100 meter exit. 1 Get out the Steinke hoods and 3mm wetsuit 2 Put on Wetsuit 3 Put on Steinke Hood in ready mode with nose clips on. Unzipped 4 Hook on the air fill line to the hood. 5 Isolate the batteries. Turn on dive torch. 6 When both people are ready open the two valves but flood only to 50% full. 33 ft depth equivalent. Should take 20 seconds. 7 Close valves 8 Open hatch dogs. 9 Inflate the Steinkes to full for the 33 ft depth Open valves and fill to neck line of people. Equivalent 100 ft depth. 10 Put hood over heads ready to exit. And fill vest with air at same time open sea cocks. 11 When hatch opens disconnect air line and head to surface. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, 17 January 2015 4:33 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. "SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. .. and nine seconds required for the ascent. " Means around 13 feet per second. euqal to 4 m per sec in a Full suit. Assume Steinke hoods will be simillar. Means 200 meter in 50 second. Take a big breath if you get out and than breath out all the time.. No gas gets into your body during the time to get to the surface. No Need for helium. The surfaceing time is to short to get decomprssion thickness - but read the Pachoa Report again - you can learn a lot from that. The as scuba diver escaping crewman died after surfacing because they stay one and a half hour in the chamber under pressure.. in just 40 m deep or so. On a german submarine in World war one a crewman escape after a day from 32m deep wreck without problems. And without any gear. The guy from the Nekton escape from 80 meter after a window breaks even without a gear. I make a emergency surfacing from 24 meter as subadiver as my rebreather stops working because of a broken valve. vbr Carsten Another question is do you need to decompress if using Helium mix in the short time it takes to get to the surface? How fast is the ascent in metres per second with the Steinke flotation. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of "Carsten Standfu?" via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 9:05 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. The Steinke hood can be use with air, ever in greater deep the time to the surface will be very short. More serious is the flooding time of the submarine. If you need 20 Minutes to flood the submarine in 100 meter deep (300 feet) it do not matter any more which gas you have in the hood for 1-2 minutes. You will get decompression illness or dead anyway. The compression time in the submarine has to be short as possible. A big flood valve help. Releaseing the rest of you gas from the boats-bottles at the end of the flooding time into your flood cpompartment to equalize the pressure help also. One drawback of the Steinke Hood is that it is even as expirence sportdiver nearly impossible to stop the unit at 9 or 6 or 3 m deep for a decompression stop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Pacocha_%28SS-48%29 another from the internet: Exercise Sorbet Royal A NATO exercise, Sorbet Royal in May 2002 (Cohen 2003), demonstrated the effectiveness of the system when four crewmembers and five others from Denmark, the UK and USA, both men and women, donned SEIE suits to simulate an escape from the Swedish submarine Vastergotland, down 115 feet off the coast of Denmark. The submarine?s escape tower had a four to six minutes recycle time, (determined chiefly the time it takes to drain the flooded tower) but they used a 15-minute interval for this demonstration. The exercise worked as briefed, with 18 seconds required for the pressure equalisation phase, the pressure doubling roughly every four seconds or so, and nine seconds required for the ascent. Rescue units, including a decompression chamber, were waiting in smooth seas on the surface. Vbr Carsten "Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Hi Hank, Comsub has no flood valves and I was going to put one in but would > have to weld through the hull. > My concern is that the effects of narcosis at that depth will be fairly > severe and that a mixed gas might prevent that and allow clearer thinking. > Hugh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, 16 January 2015 2:02 a.m. > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > > Hugh, > My understanding is, use regular tank air because your bottom time is so > short. One of the members posted an allowable time chart for flooding. I > think it is something like 1min 30 sec for 400 feet. > Does Com Sub have a flood valve, Gamma never did until I put one in. > Hank > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/14/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: Escape with Steinke Hoods. > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Received: Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 10:51 PM > > > > > > Hi Guys,My two > Steinke hoods turned up. Made in USA 1982. Still in good condition. I > have looked at the escape training video which was great. Questions. It is > obvious you need a fill hose for the initial fill at depth prior to > opening the hatch. i.e. if you are at 10 atmospheres depth then you need > to fill it with 10 atmospheres (bar) pressurised air. 1. How many of you > are adding a Steinke fill hose with an Aro coupling for this purpose. 2. > Breathing this will give you narcosis. So is it better to have 2 bottles > of mixed gas for this purpose? One for 8-15 bar depth escapes and one for > 16-25 bar depth escapes. Air could be used up to 8 bar.3. What are the > mixes recommended for these depths to prevent narcosis as it could take 5 > minutes to pressurise and escape. Chs Hugh. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 11015 (20150114) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11017 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11020 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 11021 (20150115) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11021 (20150115) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11026 (20150116) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Below are some links that might help in the interim. > > > http://www.isrsubrace.org/index.cfm > http://www.navsea.navy.mil/nswc/carderock/default.aspx > > Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 17 09:37:08 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Private via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 09:37:08 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2015 PSUBS Convention Update In-Reply-To: <136C13BB-F77B-4D7F-A130-8835336A5CE4@gmail.com> References: <136C13BB-F77B-4D7F-A130-8835336A5CE4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <458AB2C1-2D52-4D1B-AD06-6D927DBF0D14@gmail.com> Sorry for the odd tone of that, I thought I was answering a different email! > On Jan 17, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Private wrote: > > Sounds good! I'm really making progress on the new sub. How's Great Escape coming? > > > >> On Jan 17, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> All, I am excited to announce we are moving ahead with plans for the 2015 convention in conjunction with the International Submarine Races being held June 22-26 in the Washington D.C. area (Carderock,MD). >> >> I anticipate our dates to be 6/25-27. >> >> More to come as details develop. Below are some links that might help in the interim. >> >> >> http://www.isrsubrace.org/index.cfm >> http://www.navsea.navy.mil/nswc/carderock/default.aspx >> >> Steve >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: ATT00001.c URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 18 06:22:00 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?ISO-8859-1?b?IkNhcnN0ZW4gU3RhbmRmdd8i?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: 18 Jan 2015 11:22 GMT Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mystery sub In-Reply-To: <91216765-EF1D-4DD5-BB29-D2E84E1B2B8C@upplevelsepresent.se> References: <91216765-EF1D-4DD5-BB29-D2E84E1B2B8C@upplevelsepresent.se> Message-ID: <1YCnw9-29nfRA0@fwd18.t-online.de> Hi Lasse, never seen before. I believe it was never published. Seems a steel construction ?. Clear not design as fun toy. But it seems for me that the saddle task (if they are saddle tanks) are far to deep on the hull. Interessting dome design for two. May you should ask around in the area around. Do you were able to makle inside pictures ? In my eyes it is a two seater with two persons close by . vbr Carsten "Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb: > Found this sub, looks like a fun toy. > Anyone know anything about this sub? > The hatch looks a bit odd, one or two seater you think? > > Cheers Lasse > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 18 06:43:26 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:43:26 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mystery sub In-Reply-To: <1YCnw9-29nfRA0@fwd18.t-online.de> References: <91216765-EF1D-4DD5-BB29-D2E84E1B2B8C@upplevelsepresent.se> <1YCnw9-29nfRA0@fwd18.t-online.de> Message-ID: Hej Carsten, Surprisingly, I found it just i few kilometers from home. I?ll make sure to take more pictures when i have permission from the owner this week. It would be fun to buy it if it looks ok. I guess a new dome has to be made, and it lacks something in the back of the submarine on top of the fins maybe, doesn?t look very standard. And it looks like the motor is inside the pressure hull. Hybrid - maybe with a tiny motor? I?ll get back with more pics when I have them. Exciting! Lasse Schmidt Upplevelsepresent.se Skeppsbron 21, Tullhus 1 11130 Stockholm 070-28 32 660 18 jan 2015 kl. 12:22 skrev Carsten Standfu? via Personal_Submersibles >: Hi Lasse, never seen before. I believe it was never published. Seems a steel construction ?. Clear not design as fun toy. But it seems for me that the saddle task (if they are saddle tanks) are far to deep on the hull. Interessting dome design for two. May you should ask around in the area around. Do you were able to makle inside pictures ? In my eyes it is a two seater with two persons close by . vbr Carsten "Lasse Schmidt via Personal_Submersibles" > schrieb: > Found this sub, looks like a fun toy. > Anyone know anything about this sub? > The hatch looks a bit odd, one or two seater you think? > > Cheers Lasse > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 18 20:14:20 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:14:20 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Message-ID: I am working on the manipulator arm for Trustworthy. I can compensate the CG by removing weights in the front, but unsure if it will be enough. Does anyone ever compensate the weight of a manipulator arm by putting foam in the arm? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 19 07:29:28 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 04:29:28 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1421670568.28011.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, I have played around with buoyant arm ideas and experimented a bit. The first problem is lack of space for the foam. You get very little benefit. The next option is to make hollow members and cap them. You get more bang for your buck that way. The last option that would help is buoyant members, like plastic. Anyways, you likely don't even need to worry about it with your K350 because the arms are front mounted and you can just rearrange your weight. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 1/18/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Sunday, January 18, 2015, 8:14 PM I am working on the manipulator arm for Trustworthy. I can compensate the CG by removing weights in the front, but unsure if it will be enough. Does anyone ever compensate the weight of a manipulator arm by putting foam in the arm?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 19 08:13:16 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 07:13:16 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Message-ID: Hank, Thanks for the info. I think I can just rearrange the weight and be fine. I am working on quite the manipulator arms and tooling package. Should be cool! Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/19/2015 6:29 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, I have played around with buoyant arm ideas and experimented a bit. The first problem is lack of space for the foam. You get very little benefit. The next option is to make hollow members and cap them. You get more bang for your buck that way. The last option that would help is buoyant members, like plastic. Anyways, you likely don't even need to worry about it with your K350 because the arms are front mounted and you can just rearrange your weight. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 1/18/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Sunday, January 18, 2015, 8:14 PM I am working on the manipulator arm for Trustworthy. I can compensate the CG by removing weights in the front, but unsure if it will be enough. Does anyone ever compensate the weight of a manipulator arm by putting foam in the arm?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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Hank-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/19/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Monday, January 19, 2015, 8:13 AM Hank,Thanks for the info. I think I can just rearrange the weight and be fine. I am working on quite the manipulator arms and tooling package. Should be cool!Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/19/2015 6:29 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, I have played around with buoyant arm ideas and experimented a bit.? The first problem is lack of space for the foam.? You get very little benefit. The next option is to make hollow members and cap them.? You get more bang for your buck that way.? The last option that would help is buoyant members, like plastic.? Anyways, you likely don't even need to worry about it with your K350 because the arms are front mounted and you can just rearrange your weight.? Hank?? -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 1/18/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Sunday, January 18, 2015, 8:14 PM I am working on the manipulator arm for Trustworthy. I can compensate the CG by removing weights in the front, but unsure if it will be enough. Does anyone ever compensate the weight of a manipulator arm by putting foam in the arm?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 19 17:02:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:02:24 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1421704944.17828.YahooMailBasic@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Does this relate to viewports on the hull ( cylinder)? What should I watch out for in my designing ? Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/16/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Removable tru hulls To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Friday, January 16, 2015, 9:39 AM Just for everyone else, what we are talking about here is not a penetrator but a removable bulkhead into which you can screw penetrators. What Snoopy has on her stern endcap, which is on the project page. Scott, these should go on the head itself, but as Vance mentioned avoid the knuckle (the part where the head has maximum curvature). I wanted to add to that you should not put these in the cylindrical portion of the hull. The bulkhead seats are beefy, but even so if you weld them into the cylinder the weld tension will bend them out of plane and they will no longer offer a flat seat. Its hard to explain in an email, but the reason this happens is, when you weld them into the cylinder, the weld itself is not on a flat plane as it goes around the insert, it is curved. If you put them into the endcaps, the weld is in almost the same plane all the way around and the insert will not distort. Locating smaller through-hulls (like one or two inch diameter) on the cylinder does not present this problem, but the big ones do. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:00 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I am putting two removeable tru hulls in Trustworthy (same as Alec) for my manipulator arms. I want to put them close to the front veiw port of the sub. I know if I get to close to the front veiw port it hurts the structure. How close can I get to it and still not hurt the structure?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 20 07:15:34 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 06:15:34 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 Message-ID: <05lkkmtb33xu8b7fw5igj2g9.1421756134294@email.android.com> Phil, Do you have any advice on HY-80? Possably what supplier you use or tips on the welding process? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/14/2015 8:12 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 Scott/Alec Both HY-80 and HY 100 are difficult to form and, most problematical, require special welding procedures - quite different than 516 or other mild steels. If you plan to certify, then the certification agency must review and accept the detailed weld procedure and will ask for weld coupons that have been tested and passed. When we first started using high strength steels it took our weld guys several months of trying the procedures they had been advised to use and to, finally, develop their own version of a technique that would pass the required tests. We were only able to find one supplier of HY80/100 in north America and they were uber expensive. We also had to fly a certified surveyor in to the mill to stamp the steel sheets with his mark? and then, later, to transfer the marks when we cut the steel prior to forming. ?Course, iffen it was easy then ev?rybody?d be doin? it!! Phil From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:50 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 That would make sence. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/14/2015 2:15 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 I've always heard HY-100 is quite susceptible to cracking, and thus much harder to fabricate. Alec On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:50 AM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: So the tinsel strength of HY-80 is 80,000 psi and HY-100 is 100,000 psi, makes since. Why does Phil Nuytten go with HY-80 on the deep worker 3000? It would seem like you would want to go with HY-100 just for added safety. Perhaps HY-100 is harder to weld or more expensive? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles" Date:01/13/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 to HY-100 On 2015-01-12 10:35, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: A little update on my research. I have not given up on HY-80 or HY-100 compared to 516 gr70. I finally found a very good supplier for HY-80 - HY-100. I am getting over the hurdles of finding this stuff, the next hurdle is the welding part of it. Still learning, but can someone tell me the differences in HY-80 compared to HY-100? Thanks, Scott Waters HY-80 HY-100 Sean _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 20 19:51:24 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:51:24 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Message-ID: Does anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if someone has a particular place they like to get them. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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Smartphone -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 20 20:52:21 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:52:21 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Message-ID: Hydrolic. Also what size bore does yoursub have Hank? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 7:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM Does anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if someone has a particular place they like to get them.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 20 20:53:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:53:03 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm In-Reply-To: <1421804071.6399.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1421804071.6399.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54bf069a.8795420a.0f82.ffffcd67@mx.google.com> Hi Scott, Plenty of hydraulic cylinders but you need to make sure they are Aluminium bodies and SS shafts. Most are steel with Chromed shafts which wont last five minutes. Hugh -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, 21 January 2015 2:35 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM Does anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if someone has a particular place they like to get them.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. CellularR Smartphone -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11047 (20150120) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11047 (20150120) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 20 21:03:03 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (keith tollett via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 02:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm In-Reply-To: <54bf069a.8795420a.0f82.ffffcd67@mx.google.com> References: <54bf069a.8795420a.0f82.ffffcd67@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1385242216.2533228.1421805783245.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100142.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Try: Portable Generators, Pressure Washers, Power Tools, Welders | Northern Tool + Equipment | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | Portable Generators, Pressure Washers, Power Tools, Weld...NorthernTool.com's product lines include generators, portable generators, pressure washers, grounds maintenance, heaters and stoves, trailer parts, engines, water p... | | | | View on www.northerntool.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | They have a pretty good selection of hydraulic rams, pumps and at reasonable prices. Keith On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:54 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Scott, Plenty of hydraulic cylinders but you need to make sure they are Aluminium bodies and SS shafts.? Most are steel with Chromed shafts which wont last five minutes. Hugh -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, 21 January 2015 2:35 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM Does anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic? cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if? someone has a particular place they like to get? them.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. CellularR Smartphone -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11047 (20150120) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11047 (20150120) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM Hydrolic. Also what size bore does yoursub have Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 7:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM Does anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if someone has a particular place they like to get them.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 20 22:27:17 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 21:27:17 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Message-ID: Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in the cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use hydrolics and not air. For example hydro-lek? Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders. You want air cylinders, they are light weight and all aluminum. If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 psi system. Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods and that is the most important part. The rod size is what the water pressure is pushing back against you system. Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just replace the chrome rods when they wear out. I made my own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM Hydrolic. Also what size bore does yoursub have Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 7:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM Does anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if someone has a particular place they like to get them.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 21 07:54:19 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 04:54:19 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1421844859.85025.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and pump. The hydraulic system is very standard except it uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 PM Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in the cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use hydrolics and not air. For example hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders.? You want air cylinders, they are light weight and all aluminum.? If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 psi system.? Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods and that is the most important part.? The rod size is what the water pressure is pushing back against you system.? Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just replace the chrome rods when they wear out.? I made my own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM Hydrolic. Also what size bore does yoursub have Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/20/2015? 7:34 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "psubs" ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM ? ? Does ? anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic ? cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if ? someone has a particular place they like to get ? them.Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? ? Smartphone ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I am also planning on using electric silionoids for controlling the valves. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 6:54 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and pump. The hydraulic system is very standard except it uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 PM Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in the cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use hydrolics and not air. For example hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders. You want air cylinders, they are light weight and all aluminum. If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 psi system. Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods and that is the most important part. The rod size is what the water pressure is pushing back against you system. Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just replace the chrome rods when they wear out. I made my own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM Hydrolic. Also what size bore does yoursub have Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 7:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. 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I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I am also planning on using electric silionoids for controlling the valves.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 6:54 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and pump.? The hydraulic system is very standard except it uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders.? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 PM Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in the cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use hydrolics and not air. For example hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/20/2015? 9:06 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders.? You want air cylinders, they are light weight and all aluminum.? If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 psi system.? Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods and that is the most important part.? The rod size is what the water pressure is pushing back against you system.? Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just replace the chrome rods when they wear out.? I made my own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM ? ? Hydrolic. ? Also what size bore does yoursub have ? Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/20/2015? 7:34 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "psubs" ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM ? ? Does ? anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic ? cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering ? if ? someone has a particular place they like to get ? them.Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? ? Smartphone ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? 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I am using a comoensated system. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 9:41 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, You need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with before you dive into cylinders. If you are going with a pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a wiper seals on the shafts. If you not pressure compensating, then use cylinders with o-ring seals on the shafts. I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM Gotcha. I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I am also planning on using electric silionoids for controlling the valves.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 6:54 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and pump. The hydraulic system is very standard except it uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 PM Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in the cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use hydrolics and not air. For example hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders. You want air cylinders, they are light weight and all aluminum. If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 psi system. Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods and that is the most important part. The rod size is what the water pressure is pushing back against you system. Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just replace the chrome rods when they wear out. I made my own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM Hydrolic. Also what size bore does yoursub have Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 7:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM Does anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if someone has a particular place they like to get them.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 21 14:50:39 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <383455285.2789490.1421869839710.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Not sure, but don't the "Deep Workers" have a?hydraulic system using sea water, with externalpump & valves.Does anyone know anything about this?Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm My plan was to use O ring seal. I am using a comoensated system.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 9:41 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, You need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with before you dive into cylinders.? If you are going with a pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a wiper seals on the shafts.? If you not pressure compensating, then use cylinders with o-ring seals on the shafts.? I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM Gotcha. I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I am also planning on using electric silionoids for controlling the valves.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/21/2015? 6:54 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and pump.? The hydraulic system is very standard except it uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders.? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 PM ? ? ? Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use ? a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in the ? cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it ? recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know ? crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use ? hydrolics and not air. For example ? hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/20/2015? 9:06 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? Scott, ? Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders.? You want ? air cylinders, they are light weight and all aluminum.? ? If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 psi ? system.? Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods and ? that is the most important part.? The rod size is what ? the water pressure is pushing back against you system.? ? Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are ? cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just ? replace the chrome rods when they wear out.? I made my ? own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM ? ? Hydrolic. ? Also what size bore does yoursub have ? Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/20/2015? 7:34 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? ? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? To: "psubs" ? ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM ? ? ? ? Does ? ? anyone have a reccomendation on a source for ? hydrolic ? ? cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just ? wondering ? if ? ? someone has a particular place they like to get ? ? them.Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? ? ? Sent ? ? from my U.S. Cellular? ? ? Smartphone ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? ? ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ? ? _______________________________________________ ? Personal_Submersibles mailing list ? Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org ? http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? ? ? _______________________________________________ ? 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Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 2:50 PM Not sure, but don't the "Deep Workers" have a?hydraulic system using sea water, with externalpump & valves.Does anyone know anything about this?Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm My plan was to use O ring seal. I am using a comoensated system.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 9:41 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, You need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with before you dive into cylinders.? If you are going with a pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a wiper seals on the shafts.? If you not pressure compensating, then use cylinders with o-ring seals on the shafts.? I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM Gotcha. I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I am also planning on using electric silionoids for controlling the valves.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/21/2015? 6:54 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and pump.? The hydraulic system is very standard except it uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders.? Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 PM ? ? ? Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use ? a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in the ? cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it ? recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know ? crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use ? hydrolics and not air. For example ? hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/20/2015? 9:06 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? Scott, ? Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders.? You want ? air cylinders, they are light weight and all aluminum.? ? If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 psi ? system.? Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods and ? that is the most important part.? The rod size is what ? the water pressure is pushing back against you system.? ? Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are ? cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just ? replace the chrome rods when they wear out.? I made my ? own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM ? ? Hydrolic. ? Also what size bore does yoursub have ? Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/20/2015? 7:34 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? ? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? To: "psubs" ? ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM ? ? ? ? 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I am pretty sure they are hydraulic. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 5:01 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Alan, When I had my tour of Nuytco, I saw the arms well actually a shelf full of them and the valves. I assumed they were hydraulic, but maybe not. It could work with sea water, but fresh water could be problematic with freezing. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 2:50 PM Not sure, but don't the "Deep Workers" have a hydraulic system using sea water, with externalpump & valves.Does anyone know anything about this?Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm My plan was to use O ring seal. I am using a comoensated system.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 9:41 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, You need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with before you dive into cylinders. If you are going with a pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a wiper seals on the shafts. If you not pressure compensating, then use cylinders with o-ring seals on the shafts. I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM Gotcha. I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I am also planning on using electric silionoids for controlling the valves.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 6:54 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and pump. The hydraulic system is very standard except it uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 PM Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in the cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use hydrolics and not air. For example hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders. You want air cylinders, they are light weight and all aluminum. If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 psi system. Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods and that is the most important part. The rod size is what the water pressure is pushing back against you system. Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just replace the chrome rods when they wear out. I made my own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM Hydrolic. Also what size bore does yoursub have Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 7:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM Does anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if someone has a particular place they like to get them.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 21 18:40:55 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm In-Reply-To: <1421881306.46193.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1421881306.46193.YahooMailBasic@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1412381365.2857802.1421883655178.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10093.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hank,they also use water hydraulics on the Remora rov.http://www.hydra-cell.com/applications/salt-water-pump.html I like the idea of Scott's, of housing the pump & shuttle valvesin an oil filled enclosure with flexible membrane for equalization;however I wonder if there is much advantage. You would still have tohave through hulls in that enclosure for hydraulic hoses & electricalpower & signals. You would end up with more through hulls &loose the ability to manually release pressure from the systemin an emergency.Alan ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Alan, When I had my tour of Nuytco, I saw the arms well actually a shelf full of them and the valves.? I assumed they were hydraulic, but maybe not.? It could work with sea water, but fresh water could be problematic with freezing. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 2:50 PM Not sure, but don't the "Deep Workers" have a?hydraulic system using sea water, with externalpump & valves.Does anyone know anything about this?Alan ? ? ? ? From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:58 AM ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? My plan was to use O ring seal. I am using a comoensated system.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/21/2015 9:41 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, You need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with before you dive into cylinders.? If you are going with a pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a wiper seals on the shafts.? If you not pressure compensating, then use cylinders with o-ring seals on the shafts.? I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM ? ? Gotcha. ? I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with ? SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I ? am also planning on using electric silionoids for ? controlling the valves.Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/21/2015? 6:54 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? Scott, ? Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and ? pump.? The hydraulic system is very standard except it ? uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders.? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 PM ? ? ? Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use ? a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in ? the ? cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it ? recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know ? crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use ? hydrolics and not air. For example ? hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/20/2015? 9:06 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? Scott, ? Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders.? You want ? air cylinders, they are light weight and all ? aluminum.? ? If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 ? psi ? system.? Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods ? and ? that is the most important part.? The rod size is ? what ? the water pressure is pushing back against you ? system.? ? Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are ? cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just ? replace the chrome rods when they wear out.? I made ? my ? own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM ? ? ? ? Hydrolic. ? ? Also what size bore does yoursub have ? ? Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? ? Sent ? ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? ? Date:01/20/2015? 7:34 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? ? ? ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 21 19:12:40 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:12:40 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm In-Reply-To: <1412381365.2857802.1421883655178.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10093.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1421885560.95905.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Allan, There are benefits and draw backs as well. The benefit is having the valve in the oil. If not then the valve needs an enclosure around the solenoids filled with oil. It is a pain in the butt. Next is the membrane lid, that eliminates the air bag deal. So it just depends what your needs and expectations are. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 6:40 PM Hank,they also use water hydraulics on the Remora rov.http://www.hydra-cell.com/applications/salt-water-pump.html I like the idea of Scott's, of housing the pump & shuttle valvesin an oil filled enclosure with flexible membrane for equalization;however I wonder if there is much advantage. You would still have tohave through hulls in that enclosure for hydraulic hoses & electricalpower & signals. You would end up with more through hulls &loose the ability to manually release pressure from the systemin an emergency.Alan ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Alan, When I had my tour of Nuytco, I saw the arms well actually a shelf full of them and the valves.? I assumed they were hydraulic, but maybe not.? It could work with sea water, but fresh water could be problematic with freezing. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 2:50 PM Not sure, but don't the "Deep Workers" have a?hydraulic system using sea water, with externalpump & valves.Does anyone know anything about this?Alan ? ? ? ? From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:58 AM ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? My plan was to use O ring seal. I am using a comoensated system.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/21/2015 9:41 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, You need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with before you dive into cylinders.? If you are going with a pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a wiper seals on the shafts.? If you not pressure compensating, then use cylinders with o-ring seals on the shafts.? I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM ? ? Gotcha. ? I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with ? SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I ? am also planning on using electric silionoids for ? controlling the valves.Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/21/2015? 6:54 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? Scott, ? Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and ? pump.? The hydraulic system is very standard except it ? uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders.? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 PM ? ? ? Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use ? a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in ? the ? cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it ? recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know ? crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use ? hydrolics and not air. For example ? hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/20/2015? 9:06 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? Scott, ? Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders.? You want ? air cylinders, they are light weight and all ? aluminum.? ? If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 ? psi ? system.? Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods ? and ? that is the most important part.? The rod size is ? what ? the water pressure is pushing back against you ? system.? ? Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are ? cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just ? replace the chrome rods when they wear out.? I made ? my ? own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM ? ? ? ? Hydrolic. ? ? Also what size bore does yoursub have ? ? Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? ? Sent ? ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? ? Date:01/20/2015? 7:34 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? ? ? ? Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. ? ? Hank-------------------------------------------- ? ? 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This way, no oil can get inside in the event of failure, every air line can have a shutoff at the pressure boundary, and eg 24 VDC solenoids with small apertures and modest pressure ratings can be used. Sean On January 21, 2015 5:12:40 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Allan, >There are benefits and draw backs as well. The benefit is having the >valve in the oil. If not then the valve needs an enclosure around the >solenoids filled with oil. It is a pain in the butt. Next is the >membrane lid, that eliminates the air bag deal. So it just depends >what your needs and expectations are. >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 6:40 PM > > Hank,they also >use water hydraulics on the Remora >rov.http://www.hydra-cell.com/applications/salt-water-pump.html > I like the > idea of Scott's, of housing the pump & shuttle > valvesin an oil > filled enclosure with flexible membrane for > equalization;however I > wonder if there is much advantage. You would still have > tohave > through hulls in that enclosure for hydraulic hoses & > electricalpower > & signals. You would end up with more through hulls > &loose the > ability to manually release pressure from the > systemin an > emergency.Alan > > > ? > > > > From: hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > > > Sent: > Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:01 PM > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > > > > Alan, > When I > had my tour of Nuytco, I saw the arms well actually a shelf > full of them and the valves.? I assumed they were > hydraulic, but maybe not.? It could work with sea water, > but fresh water could be problematic with freezing. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > To: >"Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 2:50 > PM > > Not sure, > but don't the "Deep Workers" > have > a?hydraulic > system > using sea water, with externalpump & > > valves.Does > anyone know anything about > this?Alan > ? ? ? ? From: > "swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles" > > > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > > > > Sent: > > Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:58 AM > ? > Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator > arm > ? > ? > > My plan > was to use O ring seal. I am using > a comoensated > system.Thanks,Scott > Waters > > Sent > from my U.S. > Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message > -------- > From: hank pronk > via > Personal_Submersibles? > Date:01/21/2015 > 9:41 AM? > (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal > > Submersibles General Discussion? > > Subject: > Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator > arm > > > > Scott, > You > need to decide > on what type of hyd system you are going with > before you dive into cylinders.? If you are > going with a > pressure compensated system, > you can use cylinders with a > wiper seals on > the shafts.? If you not pressure > > compensating, then use cylinders with o-ring seals on the > shafts.? I would use o-ring sealed shafts > regardless. > > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via > Personal_Submersibles > > > wrote: > > ? Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] > Manipulator arm > ? To: "Personal > > Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Received: Wednesday, January > 21, 2015, 8:25 AM > ? > ? > Gotcha. > ? I > got about 8 > different suppliers I have found so far with > ? SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few > to > play with. I > ? am also > planning on using > electric silionoids > for > ? controlling the > > valves.Thanks,Scott > ? Waters > > > ? Sent > ? from my U.S. > Cellular? > Smartphone > ? > > -------- Original message -------- > ? From: > hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles? > > > Date:01/21/2015? 6:54 AM? (GMT-06:00) > > > To: Personal Submersibles General > Discussion? > ? Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > > ? > ? > > Scott, > ? Gamma uses air > cylinders with > hydraulic fluid and > ? pump.? The hydraulic > > system is very standard except it > ? uses > air > cylinders in place of hydraulic > cylinders.? > > > Hank-------------------------------------------- > ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via > ? Personal_Submersibles > > > wrote: > ? > ? Subject: > Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > ? To: > "Personal > Submersibles General Discussion" > ? > > ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, > 10:27 > PM > ? > ? > ? Is Gamma all air > cylinders? Do you just > use > > ? a air compressor? What happens to the > > air once it is in > ? the > > ? > cylinder and you want to lower the > cylinder? Is it > ? recompressed or somehow > expelled? I really > don't know > ? crap about pnematics. > > Haha. Why do all the subs use > ? > hydrolics > and not air. For example > ? > hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott > ? Waters > ? > ? Sent > ? > > from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > ? > ? -------- Original message -------- > ? From: hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles? > > > ? Date:01/20/2015? 9:06 PM? (GMT-06:00) > > > ? To: Personal Submersibles General > Discussion? > ? Subject: > Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > ? > ? > ? > Scott, > ? Not sure why you want hydraulic > cylinders.? > You want > ? > air cylinders, they are light > weight and > all > ? aluminum.? > ? If > you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can > run > on a 500 > ? psi > ? > system.? Also air cylinders typically have > 5/8 rods > ? and > ? that is > the most > important part.? The rod size > is > ? what > ? the water > pressure is pushing back against > you > ? system.? > ? Air > cylinders have a single o ring on the piston > and are > ? cheap and easy to replace. If > you want ss > rods then just > > ? replace the chrome rods > when they wear > out.? I made > ? my > ? own > rods for Gamma, easy peezy. > ? > > Hank-------------------------------------------- > ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via > ? > Personal_Submersibles > ? > wrote: > ? > ? > ? Subject: Re: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator > arm > ? ? To: > > "Personal Submersibles General > > Discussion" > ? > > ? ? > Received: Tuesday, > January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM > ? ? > ? ? Hydrolic. > ? ? Also what > size bore does yoursub have > ? ? > Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters > > > ? > ? ? Sent > ? ? from > my > U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > ? ? > ? ? -------- Original > message -------- > ? ? From: hank pronk > via > Personal_Submersibles? > ? ? > Date:01/20/2015? 7:34 > PM? (GMT-06:00) > ? ? > To: > Personal Submersibles General Discussion? > ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] > Manipulator > arm > ? ? > ? ? > ? ? Are you using > hydraulic cylinders or air > cylinders. > ? ? > > Hank-------------------------------------------- > ? ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com > via > ? ? > Personal_Submersibles > ? ? > wrote: > ? ? > > ? ? Subject: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator > arm > ? ? To: > > "psubs" > ? ? > > > ? > ? Received: Tuesday, > January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM > ? ? > ? ? Does > ? ? anyone have > a reccomendation on a source > for > ? hydrolic > ? ? > cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, > just > ? wondering > ? ? > if > ? ? someone has a particular place > they like > to get > ? ? > them.Thanks,Scott Waters > ? ? > ? ? Sent > ? ? from my U.S. > Cellular? > ? ? 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Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:09 PM There is another option, which may be a touch more expensive, but that is to use air-operated valves for the hydraulic system, which would be mounted outside without an enclosure and handle whatever hydraulic pressure you want to operate at, and then supply this pilot air from (relatively) low pressure solenoid valves inside the pressure boundary. This way, no oil can get inside in the event of failure, every air line can have a shutoff at the pressure boundary, and eg 24 VDC solenoids with small apertures and modest pressure ratings can be used. Sean On January 21, 2015 5:12:40 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Allan, There are benefits and draw backs as well. The benefit is having the valve in the oil. If not then the valve needs an enclosure around the solenoids filled with oil. It is a pain in the butt. Next is the membrane lid, that eliminates the air bag deal. So it just depends what your needs and expectations are. Hank On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 6:40 PM Hank,they also use water hydraulics on the Remora rov.http://www.hydra-cell.com/applications/salt-water-pump.html I like the idea of Scott's, of housing the pump & shuttle valvesin an oil fi! lled enclosure with flexible membrane for equalization;however I wonder if there is much advantage. You would still have tohave through hulls in that enclosure for hydraulic hoses & electricalpower & signals. You would end up with more through hulls &loose the ability to manually release pressure from the systemin an emergency.Alan ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Alan, When I had my tour of Nuytco, I saw the arms well actually a shelf full of them and the valves.? I assumed they were hydraulic, but maybe no! t.? It could work with sea water, but fresh water could be problematic with freezing. Hank On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 2:50 PM Not sure, but don't the "Deep Workers" have a?hydraulic system using sea water, with externalpump & valves.Does anyone know anything about this?Alan ? ? ? ? From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 201! 5 4:58 AM ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? My plan was to use O ring seal. I am using a comoensated system.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/21/2015 9:41 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, You need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with before you dive into cylinders.? If you are going with a pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a wiper seals on the shafts.? If you not pressure compensating, then use cylinders with o-! ring seals on the shafts.? I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless. Hank On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM ? ? Gotcha. ? I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with ? SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I ? am also planning on using electric silionoids for ? controlling the valves.Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? -------- Orig! inal message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? Date:01/21/2015? 6:54 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? Scott, ? Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and ? pump.? The hydraulic system is very standard except it ? uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders.? Hank ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? Received: Tuesday, Jan! uary 20, 2015, 10:27 PM ? ? ? Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use ? a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in ? the ? cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it ? recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know ? crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use ? hydrolics and not air. For example ? hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott ? Waters ? ? Sent ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? Date:01/20/2015? 9:06 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ? Scott, ? Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders.? You want ? air cylinders, they are light weight and all ? aluminum.? ? If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 ? psi ? system.? Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods ? and ? that is the most important part.? The rod size is ? what ? the water pressure is pushing back against you ? system.? ? Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are ? cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just ? replace the chrome rods when they wear out.? I made ? my ? own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. ? Hank ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? Personal_Submersibles ? wrote: ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ? ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM ? ? ? ? Hydrolic. ? ? Also what size bore does yoursub have ? ? Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters ? ? ? Sent ? ? from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- ? ? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles? ? ? Date:01/20/2015? 7:34 PM? (GMT-06:00) ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? ! ? ? ? ? Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. ? ? Hank ? ? On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via ? ? Personal_Submersibles ? ? wrote: ? ? ? ? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ? ? To: "psubs" ? ? ? ? Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM ? ? ? ? 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It was a difficult fit so he was concentrating on getting things lined up.?Brian ?? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 21 21:25:19 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:25:19 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch In-Reply-To: <1421893125.90881.YahooMailBasic@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1421893519.64752.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Brian Opps, sorry I see what you mean, you have a reducer like Gamma. Your gonna have to cut it off if you can't find a lathe big enough for the CT. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 9:18 PM Brian, You have to machine the land with the CT anyways. It is going to warp from welding it on anyways. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch To: "PSubs" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:57 PM ? My welder got carried away and welded up the top 6" that was suppose to first go in the lathe to face off the ss land ;-)So now I have a whole conning tower that would have to go in the lathe !? 24" !?? Not sure what I'm going to do .? We could just cut it off and re weld it.?? It was a difficult fit so he was concentrating on getting things lined up.?Brian ?? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 21 21:51:29 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:51:29 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a26f030-1b10-43e0-a900-8f365d08b87b@email.android.com> That is exactly what it is, and you can build a hard tank of any size and just add the airbag on to provide compensatory volume. You need to precharge the airbag, either by just expanding it or by spring loading it, such that you still have positive pressure over ambient at the highest fluid demand. Also give consideration to vent cap locations - you want to be able to bleed air off over your tank and at any high points. Sean On January 21, 2015 4:37:07 PM MST, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: >I reveiwed my pictures and Nuytco uses hydro-lek manipulator arms with >a resevor that looks just like a air bag for semi trucks. I am pretty >sure they are hydraulic. >Thanks, >Scott Waters > > >Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > >-------- Original message -------- >From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > >Date:01/21/2015 5:01 PM (GMT-06:00) >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > > >Alan, >When I had my tour of Nuytco, I saw the arms well actually a shelf full >of them and the valves. I assumed they were hydraulic, but maybe not. >It could work with sea water, but fresh water could be problematic with >freezing. >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm >To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > >Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 2:50 PM > >Not sure, >but don't the "Deep Workers" have >a hydraulic >system using sea water, with externalpump & >valves.Does >anyone know anything about this?Alan > From: >"swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" > > >To: Personal >Submersibles General Discussion > > >Sent: >Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:58 AM > Subject: Re: >[PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > > >My plan >was to use O ring seal. I am using a comoensated >system.Thanks,Scott >Waters > >Sent from my U.S. >Cellular? Smartphone > >-------- Original message >-------- >From: hank pronk via >Personal_Submersibles >Date:01/21/2015 >9:41 AM (GMT-06:00) >To: Personal >Submersibles General Discussion >Subject: >Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > > >Scott, >You >need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with >before you dive into cylinders. If you are going with a >pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a >wiper seals on the shafts. If you not pressure >compensating, then use cylinders with o-ring seals on the >shafts. I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless. >Hank-------------------------------------------- >On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via >Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] >Manipulator arm > To: "Personal >Submersibles General Discussion" > > >Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM > > Gotcha. > I >got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with > SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to >play with. I > am also planning on using >electric silionoids for > controlling the >valves.Thanks,Scott > Waters > > > Sent > from my U.S. >Cellular? Smartphone > > >-------- Original message -------- > From: >hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > >Date:01/21/2015 6:54 AM (GMT-06:00) > >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > > > > >Scott, > Gamma uses air cylinders with >hydraulic fluid and > pump. The hydraulic >system is very standard except it > uses air >cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders. > >Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via > Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > Subject: Re: >[PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > To: >"Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 10:27 >PM > > > Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just >use > a air compressor? What happens to the >air once it is in > the > >cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it > recompressed or somehow expelled? I really >don't know > crap about pnematics. >Haha. Why do all the subs use > hydrolics >and not air. For example > >hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott > Waters > > Sent > >from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > Date:01/20/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: Personal Submersibles General >Discussion > Subject: Re: >[PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > > > Scott, > Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders. >You want > air cylinders, they are light >weight and all > aluminum. > If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can >run on a 500 > psi > >system. Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods > and > that is the most >important part. The rod size is > what > the water pressure is pushing back against >you > system. > Air >cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are > cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss >rods then just > replace the chrome rods >when they wear out. I made > my > own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. > >Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >via > Personal_Submersibles > >wrote: > > Subject: Re: >[PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > To: >"Personal Submersibles General > >Discussion" > > > >Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM > > Hydrolic. > Also what size bore does yoursub have > Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters > > > Sent > from my >U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via >Personal_Submersibles > >Date:01/20/2015 7:34 PM (GMT-06:00) > >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator >arm > > > Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air >cylinders. > >Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com >via > Personal_Submersibles > >wrote: > > Subject: >[PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm > To: >"psubs" > > > > Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM > > Does > anyone have a reccomendation on a source >for > hydrolic > >cylinders? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 21 22:41:10 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:41:10 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch Message-ID: <20150121194110.F0DB8623@m0005297.ppops.net> With it sticking out 24" it would wobble wouldn't it? Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:25:19 -0800 Brian Opps, sorry I see what you mean, you have a reducer like Gamma. Your gonna have to cut it off if you can't find a lathe big enough for the CT. Hank-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 9:18 PM Brian, You have to machine the land with the CT anyways. It is going to warp from welding it on anyways. Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/21/15, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch To: "PSubs" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:57 PM ? My welder got carried away and welded up the top 6" that was suppose to first go in the lathe to face off the ss land ;-)So now I have a whole conning tower that would have to go in the lathe !? 24" !?? Not sure what I'm going to do .? We could just cut it off and re weld it.?? It was a difficult fit so he was concentrating on getting things lined up.?Brian ?? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 22 01:24:56 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:24:56 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm In-Reply-To: References: <1421885560.95905.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54c097d6.4ad4440a.0ea1.66a7@mx.google.com> Hi Sean, I think I am missing the point on your explanation. I think I am understanding that you use air operated hydraulic valves but still with full hydraulic pressure. If so, there is no proportional control. Is that correct? The DW had all the solenoid valves in a bank in the water outside from memory. Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Sean T Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2015 2:09 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm There is another option, which may be a touch more expensive, but that is to use air-operated valves for the hydraulic system, which would be mounted outside without an enclosure and handle whatever hydraulic pressure you want to operate at, and then supply this pilot air from (relatively) low pressure solenoid valves inside the pressure boundary. This way, no oil can get inside in the event of failure, every air line can have a shutoff at the pressure boundary, and eg 24 VDC solenoids with small apertures and modest pressure ratings can be used. Sean On January 21, 2015 5:12:40 PM MST, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Allan, There are benefits and draw backs as well. The benefit is having the valve in the oil. If not then the valve needs an enclosure around the solenoids filled with oil. It is a pain in the butt. Next is the membrane lid, that eliminates the air bag deal. So it just depends what your needs and expectations are. Hank _____ On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 6:40 PM Hank,they also use water hydraulics on the Remora rov.http://www.hydra-cell.com/applications/salt-water-pump.html I like the idea of Scott's, of housing the pump & shuttle valvesin an oil fi! lled enclosure with flexible membrane for equalization;however I wonder if there is much advantage. You would still have tohave through hulls in that enclosure for hydraulic hoses & electricalpower & signals. You would end up with more through hulls &loose the ability to manually release pressure from the systemin an emergency.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Alan, When I had my tour of Nuytco, I saw the arms well actually a shelf full of them and the valves. I assumed they were hydraulic, but maybe no! t. It could work with sea water, but fresh water could be problematic with freezing. Hank _____ On Wed, 1/21/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 2:50 PM Not sure, but don't the "Deep Workers" have a hydraulic system using sea water, with externalpump & valves.Does anyone know anything about this?Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 22, 201! 5 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm My plan was to use O ring seal. I am using a comoensated system.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 9:41 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, You need to decide on what type of hyd system you are going with before you dive into cylinders. If you are going with a pressure compensated system, you can use cylinders with a wiper seals on the shafts. If you not pressure compensating, then use cylinders with o-! ring seals on the shafts. I would use o-ring sealed shafts regardless. Hank _____ On Wed, 1/21/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:25 AM Gotcha. I got about 8 different suppliers I have found so far with SS cylinders. I think I'll order a few to play with. I am also planning on using electric silionoids for controlling the valves.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Orig! inal message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/21/2015 6:54 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Gamma uses air cylinders with hydraulic fluid and pump. The hydraulic system is very standard except it uses air cylinders in place of hydraulic cylinders. Hank _____ On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, Jan! uary 20, 2015, 10:27 PM Is Gamma all air cylinders? Do you just use a air compressor? What happens to the air once it is in the cylinder and you want to lower the cylinder? Is it recompressed or somehow expelled? I really don't know crap about pnematics. Haha. Why do all the subs use hydrolics and not air. For example hydro-lek?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm Scott, Not sure why you want hydraulic cylinders. You want air cylinders, they are light weight and all aluminum. If you use 2 in bore air cylinders you can run on a 500 psi system. Also air cylinders typically have 5/8 rods and that is the most important part. The rod size is what the water pressure is pushing back against you system. Air cylinders have a single o ring on the piston and are cheap and easy to replace. If you want ss rods then just replace the chrome rods when they wear out. I made my own rods for Gamma, easy peezy. Hank _____ On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 8:52 PM Hydrolic. Also what size bore does yoursub have Hank?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/20/2015 7:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm ! Are you using hydraulic cylinders or air cylinders. Hank _____ On Tue, 1/20/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Manipulator arm To: "psubs" Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2015, 7:51 PM Does anyone have a reccomendation on a source for hydrolic cylinders? Ofcourse there are tons online, just wondering if someone has a particular place they like to get them.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 22 05:19:06 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 10:19:06 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch In-Reply-To: <20150121194110.F0DB8623@m0005297.ppops.net> References: <20150121194110.F0DB8623@m0005297.ppops.net> Message-ID: Brian, Not 100% sure what you mean but I put my entire tower in the lathe. I welded a temporary bar on the inside diameter if the tower, near the hatch land ring. Then the tower could be held across centre on the lathe. Worked well but I had to pay a company with a big enough machine to do it. Or, I remember a while ago someone saying that they had made up some sort of bolt on milling machine that had somehow skimmed the face. Maybe whoever said that could comment if they remember. Regards James On 22 January 2015 at 03:41, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > With it sticking out 24" it would wobble wouldn't it? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:25:19 -0800 > > > Brian > Opps, sorry I see what you mean, you have a reducer like Gamma. Your > gonna have to cut it off if you can't find a lathe big enough for the CT. > Hank-------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/21/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 9:18 PM > > Brian, > You have to machine the land with the CT > anyways. It is going to warp from welding it on anyways. > Hank > > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/21/15, Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Subject: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch > To: "PSubs" > > Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:57 > PM > > My welder got > carried away and welded up the top 6" > that was suppose > to first go in the lathe > to face off the ss land > ;-)So now I have a > whole conning tower that would > have to go > in the lathe ! 24" ! Not > sure > what I'm going to do . We could just cut it > off and re weld it. It was a difficult fit > so he > was concentrating on getting things > lined > up. 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Then the tower could be held across centre on the lathe. > Worked well but I had to pay a company with a big enough machine to do it. > > Or, I remember a while ago someone saying that they had made up some sort > of bolt on milling machine that had somehow skimmed the face. Maybe > whoever said that could comment if they remember. > > Regards > James > > On 22 January 2015 at 03:41, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> With it sticking out 24" it would wobble wouldn't it? >> >> Brian >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch >> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:25:19 -0800 >> >> >> Brian >> Opps, sorry I see what you mean, you have a reducer like Gamma. Your >> gonna have to cut it off if you can't find a lathe big enough for the CT. >> Hank-------------------------------------------- >> On Wed, 1/21/15, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 9:18 PM >> >> Brian, >> You have to machine the land with the CT >> anyways. It is going to warp from welding it on anyways. >> Hank >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Wed, 1/21/15, Brian Cox via >> Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >> Subject: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] hatch >> To: "PSubs" >> >> Received: Wednesday, January 21, 2015, 8:57 >> PM >> >> My welder got >> carried away and welded up the top 6" >> that was suppose >> to first go in the lathe >> to face off the ss land >> ;-)So now I have a >> whole conning tower that would >> have to go >> in the lathe ! 24" ! Not >> sure >> what I'm going to do . We could just cut it >> off and re weld it. It was a difficult fit >> so he >> was concentrating on getting things >> lined >> up. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 23 10:34:02 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:34:02 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] RIFT 1 and RIFT 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just googled it and found this. I notice one of the subs about half way down was\is the Morz sub they had at Vobster Quay here in the UK. not sure whats happened to that one now, I don't think its there any more. http://www.wtec.org/loyola/subsea/c4_s2.htm On 23 January 2015 at 14:28, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Does anyone have any leads to the half built submarines RIFT1 and RIFT 2? > They are half built titanium spheres in Russia. > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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Smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 28 13:29:48 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:29:48 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1422469788.9303.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott, What are you getting for your 76K are theses segmented heads. Will the supplier weld the heads together along with the CT nozzle and window frames etc. That is a reasonable number to deal with, you could possibly have a hull for 100K. Well done! Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/28/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 To: "psubs" Received: Wednesday, January 28, 2015, 10:06 AM Hey guys. I found my HY-80! For two 66" hemispherical heads 1"nom the cost is $76,250 with a 12 week lead time. It is going to take me a while to design and source out everything I need, but I am going to keep on moving twords this project while also upgrading my K-350 with a 6 function manipulator arm with cutting grapple and 5 funtion tooling arm with interchangable tooling.?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 28 13:37:33 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <867246393.1197502.1422470253857.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Well done Scott.Here is a link to some manipulator drawings. I posted this once beforeso you may already have it.http://www.fmctechnologies.com/en/SchillingRobotics/Technical-Manuals.aspx The drawings & descriptions are so detailed that I am not sure why they are availableon the net. I am tempted to save them all in case I build a manipulator.They are very complex manipulators, but there may be bits & pieces you can emulate.Alan ? From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:06 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 Hey guys. I found my HY-80! For two 66" hemispherical heads 1"nom the cost is $76,250 with a 12 week lead time. It is going to take me a while to design and source out everything I need, but I am going to keep on moving twords this project while also upgrading my K-350 with a 6 function manipulator arm with cutting grapple and 5 funtion tooling arm with interchangable tooling.?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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It is going to take me a while to design and source out everything I need, but I am going to keep on moving twords this project while also upgrading my K-350 with a 6 function manipulator arm with cutting grapple and 5 funtion tooling arm with interchangable tooling. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11086 (20150128) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 28 15:55:43 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 14:55:43 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 Message-ID: Hank,? I am talking with the supplier about the possability of doing the windows and other welds. I will get back with you on the details. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date:01/28/2015 12:29 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 Scott, What are you getting for your 76K are theses segmented heads. Will the supplier weld the heads together along with the CT nozzle and window frames etc. That is a reasonable number to deal with, you could possibly have a hull for 100K. Well done! Hank -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/28/15, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 To: "psubs" Received: Wednesday, January 28, 2015, 10:06 AM Hey guys. I found my HY-80! For two 66" hemispherical heads 1"nom the cost is $76,250 with a 12 week lead time. It is going to take me a while to design and source out everything I need, but I am going to keep on moving twords this project while also upgrading my K-350 with a 6 function manipulator arm with cutting grapple and 5 funtion tooling arm with interchangable tooling. Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For two 66" hemispherical heads 1"nom the cost is $76,250 with a 12 week lead time. It is going to take me a while to design and source out everything I need, but I am going to keep on moving twords this project while also upgrading my K-350 with a 6 function manipulator arm with cutting grapple and 5 funtion tooling arm with interchangable tooling. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11086 (20150128) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11088 (20150128) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am tempted to save them all in case I build a manipulator. They are very complex manipulators, but there may be bits & pieces you can emulate. Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:06 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] HY-80 Hey guys. I found my HY-80! For two 66" hemispherical heads 1"nom the cost is $76,250 with a 12 week lead time. It is going to take me a while to design and source out everything I need, but I am going to keep on moving twords this project while also upgrading my K-350 with a 6 function manipulator arm with cutting grapple and 5 funtion tooling arm with interchangable tooling. Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 30 09:09:36 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:09:36 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth test Message-ID: <20150130070936.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.24bb733490.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 30 09:33:46 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:33:46 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth test In-Reply-To: <20150130070936.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.24bb733490.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150130070936.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.24bb733490.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: how about a go pro camera or similar mounted inside, looking out of a viewport but with your internal depth gauge visible. You get to have a look out at 450 feet as well as check the depth. On 30 January 2015 at 14:09, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Does anyone have a recommendation on what to strap on the outside of the > sub to prove the depth test for "Trustworthy" to 450 feet? I have been > trying to find some kind of depth gauge that records the deepest reached > depth that isn't to expensive. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 30 January 2015 at 14:09, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Does anyone have a recommendation on what to strap on the outside of the sub to prove the depth test for "Trustworthy" to 450 feet? I have been trying to find some kind of depth gauge that records the deepest reached depth that isn't to expensive. Thanks, Scott Waters _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just rented a nice location outside town. This is the drawing of the sub. I want to have 400meters (1300ft) of max operating depth. The hull is 10mm (3/8") S355J2 steel. The ABS hull calculator is giving me 431,8m (1417ft) of depth, and 638,4m (2094ft) crush depth. Still have som FEA to do. Have to learn to use a new software since Autodesk Inventor don`t simulate buckling. Any thoughts on the design? Do someone want to confirm my calculations? Very excited to get started! Sorry for the metric dimensions for you who are not custom to them. I had a hard time figuring out the conning tower. I wanted it to go in one piece, but I want all the freeboard I can get and not get it too top heavy. Was thinking about going 20mm thick nozzle all the way up, but thinking I might get in trouble welding in the hatch seat ring. With 30mm I could do without welding in a seat ring, but it would be too top heavy. So decided to go with the Kittredge design, any thoughts on this? 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I have been > trying to find some kind of depth gauge that records the deepest reached > depth that isn't to expensive. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 30 13:26:40 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:26:40 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth test Message-ID: <20150130112640.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.fabe48f753.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 30 14:43:07 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 08:43:07 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth test In-Reply-To: <20150130070936.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.24bb733490.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20150130070936.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.24bb733490.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <54cbdef4.aa73440a.688e.fffff119@mx.google.com> Scott, I could offer my mother-in-law. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 3:10 a.m. To: psubs Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth test Does anyone have a recommendation on what to strap on the outside of the sub to prove the depth test for "Trustworthy" to 450 feet? I have been trying to find some kind of depth gauge that records the deepest reached depth that isn't to expensive. 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From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2015 3:10 a.m. To: psubs Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Depth test Does anyone have a recommendation on what to strap on the outside of the sub to prove the depth test for "Trustworthy" to 450 feet? I have been trying to find some kind of depth gauge that records the deepest reached depth that isn't to expensive. Thanks, Scott Waters __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11098 (20150130) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11100 (20150130) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 30 18:21:49 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 23:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart In-Reply-To: <1422575889.79193.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1422575889.79193.YahooMailBasic@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1277144457.4413.1422660109425.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Well done Hank,you should get one of our annual awards for that.Picture looks good with that snow around.In Auckland there was a debate between meteoroligistsas to whether what fell out of the sky was actually snow or not.Here is your project link.http://www.psubs.org/projects/1327775450/gammarestoration/ Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart Hi guys, I have posted pictures of my launch cart in action with Gamma onboard.? The cart can drive onto the trailer with Gamma on it.? The cart spins out at the top of the ramps because there is not enough traction on the frozen wood deck.? The ballast pontoons are temporary to establish what will work best.? Once I have it perfected I will have aluminum pontoons built.? Tomorrow I am driving out to a lake to test the cart's ballast system and make sure of the freeboard before launching the sub. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So far it is good!Hank On Friday, January 30, 2015 6:22 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Well done Hank,you should get one of our annual awards for that.Picture looks good with that snow around.In Auckland there was a debate between meteoroligistsas to whether what fell out of the sky was actually snow or not.Here is your project link.http://www.psubs.org/projects/1327775450/gammarestoration/ Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart Hi guys, I have posted pictures of my launch cart in action with Gamma onboard.? The cart can drive onto the trailer with Gamma on it.? The cart spins out at the top of the ramps because there is not enough traction on the frozen wood deck.? The ballast pontoons are temporary to establish what will work best.? Once I have it perfected I will have aluminum pontoons built.? Tomorrow I am driving out to a lake to test the cart's ballast system and make sure of the freeboard before launching the sub. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 30 22:27:51 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 22:27:51 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drawing of my 2-man sub In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Andre, Very nice drawing and concept, I like the simplicity and it looks balanced. I would have the following observations: - Check that you can actually get those hemispherical heads for a reasonable price. Hemispherical heads are far less common than elliptical. I was once shopping for endcaps and got the following quote: "The elliptical is $300, the hemispherical is $300 plus $4000 in tooling setup costs". - Regarding the coning tower design (K250 in this case) it depends what you want the sub for. The problem with that tower is the low freeboard, which is fine for lakes but insufficient for open water. You cannot open a K250 hatch in the ocean in anything but flat calm conditions. Also, visibility out of a K250 dome hatch is not good, even though that might sound counter-intuitive. You are looking through the side of a dome, which means poor optics. The bow dome visibility will be wonderful, because you're looking through the apex. Or, of course, visibility *of the surface* will be good from the coning tower, but one only uses that upon surfacing. - I would not worry too much about the boat being top heavy. In general, between low drop weights, low batteries, and high MBTs these little boats are extremely stable. You should be able to carry a significantly taller tower than that one given the hull beneath it. I'm not saying you should skip the stability calculations, I'm just saying I think you will find that the calculations prove you can carry a higher tower that will allow for flat viewports and increase freeboard. Another option is to put a cylindrical viewport on the K250 tower to bump it up. I haven't done that myself, but it could be done. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andr? Eriksen < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi guys! > > Finally I can start building. Just rented a nice location outside town. > This is the drawing of the sub. I want to have 400meters (1300ft) of max > operating depth. The hull is 10mm (3/8") S355J2 steel. The ABS hull > calculator is giving me 431,8m (1417ft) of depth, and 638,4m (2094ft) crush > depth. Still have som FEA to do. Have to learn to use a new software since > Autodesk Inventor don`t simulate buckling. Any thoughts on the design? > Do someone want to confirm my calculations? > Very excited to get started! > Sorry for the metric dimensions for you who are not custom to them. > > I had a hard time figuring out the conning tower. I wanted it to go in one > piece, but I want all the freeboard I can get and not get it too top heavy. > Was thinking about going 20mm thick nozzle all the way up, but thinking I > might get in trouble welding in the hatch seat ring. With 30mm I could do > without welding in a seat ring, but it would be too top heavy. So decided > to go with the Kittredge design, any thoughts on this? > > Domes in top and front and saddle tanks. > > *Emile:* If you still want to press domes for me, can you give me the > exact measurements I should have for the bow ring? > > -Andr? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Ub?t m?l.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 211401 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 31 08:43:04 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 05:43:04 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drawing of my 2-man sub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1422711784.30543.YahooMailBasic@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Andre, I have a sub with an acrylic cylinder for the CT and the visibility is fantastic, Hank -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/30/15, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drawing of my 2-man sub To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Friday, January 30, 2015, 10:27 PM Hi Andre, Very nice drawing and concept, I like the simplicity and it looks balanced. I would have the following observations: - Check that you can actually get those hemispherical heads for a reasonable price. Hemispherical heads are far less common than elliptical. I was once shopping for endcaps and got the following quote: "The elliptical is $300, the hemispherical is $300 plus $4000 in tooling setup costs". - Regarding the coning tower design (K250 in this case) it depends what you want the sub for. The problem with that tower is the low freeboard, which is fine for lakes but insufficient for open water. You cannot open a K250 hatch in the ocean in anything but flat calm conditions. Also, visibility out of a K250 dome hatch is not good, even though that might sound counter-intuitive. You are looking through the side of a dome, which means poor optics. The bow dome visibility will be wonderful, because you're looking through the apex. Or, of course, visibility of the surface will be good from the coning tower, but one only uses that upon surfacing. - I would not worry too much about the boat being top heavy. In general, between low drop weights, low batteries, and high MBTs these little boats are extremely stable. You should be able to carry a significantly taller tower than that one given the hull beneath it. I'm not saying you should skip the stability calculations, I'm just saying I think you will find that the calculations prove you can carry a higher tower that will allow for flat viewports and increase freeboard. Another option is to put a cylindrical viewport on the K250 tower to bump it up. I haven't done that myself, but it could be done. Best, Alec ?? On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andr? Eriksen wrote: Hi guys! Finally I can start building. Just rented a nice location outside town. This is the drawing of the sub. I want to have 400meters (1300ft) of max operating depth. The hull is 10mm (3/8") S355J2 steel. The ABS hull calculator is giving me 431,8m (1417ft) of depth, and 638,4m (2094ft) crush depth. Still have som FEA to do. Have to learn to use a new software since Autodesk Inventor don`t simulate buckling. Any thoughts on the design?Do someone want to confirm my calculations?Very excited to get started!Sorry for the metric dimensions for you who are not custom to them. I had a hard time figuring out the conning tower. I wanted it to go in one piece, but I want all the freeboard I can get and not get it too top heavy. Was thinking about going 20mm thick nozzle all the way up, but thinking I might get in trouble welding in the hatch seat ring. With 30mm I could do without welding in a seat ring, but it would be too top heavy. So decided to go with the Kittredge design, any thoughts on this?? Domes in top and front and saddle tanks. Emile: If you still want to press domes for me, can you give me the exact measurements I should have for the bow ring? -Andr? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 31 13:18:57 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 10:18:57 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hemi vs elliptical Message-ID: <1422728337.82517.YahooMailBasic@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I wonder witch one is stronger to mount a bow dome into. My guess would be an elliptical if the entire radius of the knuckle was kept in tact or at least the bulk of the radius. I notice in a drawing of a Perry front head and dome that the reinforcing and mounting ring are very light compared to what we see today. Is that because rules have changed or is it because the dome is mounter into a hemi? Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 31 15:00:35 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart In-Reply-To: <1110283921.2597.1422661727783.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1110283921.2597.1422661727783.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1410633126.170488.1422734435470.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hank,the icing on the cake would be if you put remote control on your cart.The remote control transmitter, reciever you can buy for under $100-.How is the steering operated?You could park your car & trailer, drive your cart & sub off. Hop in the subon the cart. Drive in to the water, then return the cart to the parking areawhile you are on the water. Do the reverse on return.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart Alan,Thanks'It was a pretty big project, but well worth it so far.? I just got back from a 6 hr drive to test it.? So far it is good!Hank On Friday, January 30, 2015 6:22 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Well done Hank,you should get one of our annual awards for that.Picture looks good with that snow around.In Auckland there was a debate between meteoroligistsas to whether what fell out of the sky was actually snow or not.Here is your project link.http://www.psubs.org/projects/1327775450/gammarestoration/ Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart Hi guys, I have posted pictures of my launch cart in action with Gamma onboard.? The cart can drive onto the trailer with Gamma on it.? The cart spins out at the top of the ramps because there is not enough traction on the frozen wood deck.? The ballast pontoons are temporary to establish what will work best.? Once I have it perfected I will have aluminum pontoons built.? Tomorrow I am driving out to a lake to test the cart's ballast system and make sure of the freeboard before launching the sub. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 31 15:14:53 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:14:53 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart In-Reply-To: <1410633126.170488.1422734435470.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1422735293.64060.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Alan, That would be pretty nifty alright, I know your sub comes when you call it! :-) Hank-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/31/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 31, 2015, 3:00 PM Hank,the icing on the cake would be if you put remote control on your cart.The remote control transmitter, reciever you can buy for under $100-.How is the steering operated?You could park your car & trailer, drive your cart & sub off. Hop in the subon the cart. Drive in to the water, then return the cart to the parking areawhile you are on the water. Do the reverse on return.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart Alan,Thanks'It was a pretty big project, but well worth it so far.? I just got back from a 6 hr drive to test it.? So far it is good!Hank On Friday, January 30, 2015 6:22 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Well done Hank,you should get one of our annual awards for that.Picture looks good with that snow around.In Auckland there was a debate between meteoroligistsas to whether what fell out of the sky was actually snow or not.Here is your project link.http://www.psubs.org/projects/1327775450/gammarestoration/ Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart Hi guys, I have posted pictures of my launch cart in action with Gamma onboard.? The cart can drive onto the trailer with Gamma on it.? The cart spins out at the top of the ramps because there is not enough traction on the frozen wood deck.? The ballast pontoons are temporary to establish what will work best.? Once I have it perfected I will have aluminum pontoons built.? Tomorrow I am driving out to a lake to test the cart's ballast system and make sure of the freeboard before launching the sub. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 31 23:36:42 2015 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:36:42 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart In-Reply-To: <1422735293.64060.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1410633126.170488.1422734435470.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1422735293.64060.YahooMailBasic@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01d03dd8$ad76aad0$08640070$@telus.net> Well done, Hank. Looks great. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: January-31-15 12:15 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart Alan, That would be pretty nifty alright, I know your sub comes when you call it! :-) Hank-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/31/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Received: Saturday, January 31, 2015, 3:00 PM Hank,the icing on the cake would be if you put remote control on your cart.The remote control transmitter, reciever you can buy for under $100-.How is the steering operated?You could park your car & trailer, drive your cart & sub off. Hop in the subon the cart. Drive in to the water, then return the cart to the parking areawhile you are on the water. Do the reverse on return.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart Alan,Thanks'It was a pretty big project, but well worth it so far.? I just got back from a 6 hr drive to test it.? So far it is good!Hank On Friday, January 30, 2015 6:22 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Well done Hank,you should get one of our annual awards for that.Picture looks good with that snow around.In Auckland there was a debate between meteoroligistsas to whether what fell out of the sky was actually snow or not.Here is your project link.http://www.psubs.org/projects/1327775450/gammarestoration/ Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:58 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] launch cart Hi guys, I have posted pictures of my launch cart in action with Gamma onboard.? The cart can drive onto the trailer with Gamma on it.? The cart spins out at the top of the ramps because there is not enough traction on the frozen wood deck.? The ballast pontoons are temporary to establish what will work best. Once I have it perfected I will have aluminum pontoons built.? Tomorrow I am driving out to a lake to test the cart's ballast system and make sure of the freeboard before launching the sub. 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