[PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub

Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Wed Jan 7 21:51:58 EST 2015


I think that would be fine sport. But you'll all be wrong about the stern,
hehehe. This should be fun.

Alec

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> Alec, are we allowed to conjecture as to what you have created ?
>
> Brian
>
> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote:
>
> From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:15:16 +0000
>
> Ive just had a look and managed to find the old pics lurking on wayback
> machine.
>
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20050307112458/http://www.psubs.org/psub_pic/alec_smyth3.html
>
> On 7 January 2015 at 13:32, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> Alec,
> Hmmm, we are left be being detectives are we.:-)  The sub must be quite
> long with a snuggly 31 in dia,and a weight of 4500 lbs.   I sure like the
> all SS or plastic.
> Hank
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub
>  To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:34 PM
>
>  At the convention if it happens here!
>  I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random
>  high level attributes...
>
>  The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo",
>  shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for
>  skinny people at 31" OD.
>
>  The CT is from PC-1402.
>
>  The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile.
>
>  Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a
>  new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy.
>
>  Bow dome.
>
>  Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them.
>
>  Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316
>  SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside.
>  I hate rust.
>
>  The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for
>  that one. I suspect one and only one person will love
>  it.  It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say
>  that.
>
>  The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than
>  4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which
>  is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual
>  deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without
>  putting a diver in the water.
>
>  The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I
>  want to ship this one around the world to interesting
>  places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a
>  spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus
>  the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal
>  electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc.
>
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Alec
>
>
>
>  > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via
>  Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Alec,
>  > When are you going to show us some pictures of your new
>  build.  Perhaps even a teaser.
>  > Hank
>  > --------------------------------------------
>  > On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles
>  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>  > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  > Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM
>  >
>  > Hank,
>  >
>  > Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But
>  that's
>  > about the extent of it.
>  >
>  > Thanks,
>  >
>  > Alec
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via
>  > Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  > wrote:
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Alec,
>  >> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I
>  have
>  > no clue about GPR hulls.  I though a new hull with
>  CT
>  > would be the ticket.  The domes rest right on the
>  hull(
>  > over 2in thick GPR)   It would be a
>  pretty
>  > simple hull to build.  A 32in dia tube with some
>  > external rings and your away.  I actually saw this
>  sub
>  > in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr
>  one way
>  > to see it, they bought it to do log salvage.  My
>  > brother and I were already salvaging the logs they
>  were
>  > after :-)
>  >> Hank-------------------------------------------
>  >> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via
>  Personal_Submersibles
>  > <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  > wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>  >> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"
>  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM
>  >>
>  >> Scott,
>  >> this does not look like it could do any surface run
>  to
>  > speak
>  >> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When
>  you
>  >> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along!
>  >> Best,
>  >>
>  >> Alec
>  >>
>  >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04
>  >> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com
>  >> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >> wrote:
>  >> Ok. Thanks
>  >> Hank.Scott
>  >> Waters
>  >>
>  >> Sent from my U.S.
>  >> Cellular® Smartphone
>  >>
>  >> -------- Original message
>  >> --------
>  >> From:
>  >> hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
>  >> Date:01/06/2015  12:46 PM
>  >> (GMT-06:00)
>  >> To: Personal Submersibles
>  >> General Discussion
>  >> Subject: Re:
>  >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Scott,
>  >> I lost the pics in a pc
>  >> problem   You can contact Alan at
>  > Silvercrest, he was the
>  >> agent.  If you want to go to Tenerife to see
>  it I
>  > will tag
>  >> along.
>  >> Hank--------------------------------------------
>  >> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com
>  >> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>   Subject: Re:
>  >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>  >>   To: "Personal
>  >> Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >>   Received: Tuesday, January 6,
>  2015, 1:36 PM
>  >>
>  >>   That
>  >>   might
>  >> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My
>  goal
>  >>   is 1000 meters or deeper, but
>  depends on what
>  >> options come
>  >>   up.Thanks,Scott Waters
>  >>
>  >>   Sent
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>  >>   From: hank pronk via
>  Personal_Submersibles
>  >>
>  >>   Date:01/06/2015  12:25
>  PM  (GMT-06:00)
>  >>
>  >>   To: Personal Submersibles General
>  >> Discussion
>  >>   Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
>  >> Leo
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Scott,
>  >>   I don't know how deep you want
>  >> to go and how much effort
>  >>   you want to put
>  >> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in
>  >>
>  >> Tenerife Spain.  The Wrangler is GPR with two
>  > 34in
>  >>   domes, one at each end.  One
>  end opens as
>  >> the
>  >>   hatch.  My idea was to
>  replace the
>  >> hull with 516-70
>  >>   steel with a CT.  It had
>  >> a deal worked out at 50K
>  >>   landed in
>  >> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet.
>  >>
>  >> Hank
>  > --------------------------------------------
>  >>   On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via
>  >> Personal_Submersibles
>  >>   <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>    Subject: Re:
>  >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>  >>    To: "Personal
>  >> Submersibles General Discussion"
>  >>
>  >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >>    Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015,
>  > 1:12
>  >> PM
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>    Scott,
>  >>    Did he say where
>  >> and how deep?
>  >>
>  >> Hank--------------------------------------------
>  >>    On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com
>  >>    via Personal_Submersibles
>  >>
>  >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >>    wrote:
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>  >>     To:
>  >> "Personal Submersibles General
>  >>
>  >> Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >>     Received: Tuesday, January
>  6, 2015, 10:57
>  >> AM
>  >>
>  >>     An
>  >>     update on Leo. Silvercrest
>  claims she was
>  >> sunk in
>  >>   deep
>  >>    water
>  >>     after a insurance claim
>  some time
>  >>     ago. Thanks,Scott
>  >>
>  >> Waters
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>  >>
>  >>     Subject: Re:
>  >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>  >>
>  >>     It would surely be nice to
>  find
>  >>     Leo. I'd go into hock again
>  for that
>  >> one, just
>  >>   for old
>  >>
>  >> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm
>  >>   virtually
>  >>     certain that
>  >> those particular hull(s) were built of
>  >>
>  >> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and
>  most
>  >>   of
>  >>    the
>  >>
>  >> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the
>  ones
>  >>    without
>  >>     cyrillic
>  >> operating manuals).
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>    I don't remember how thick the steel
>  >>
>  >>    was, but it was definitely made from
>  > standard stuff.
>  >>   Plus,
>  >>     the main viewport
>  >> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving
>  >>   that
>  >>     thing was seriously
>  awesome. She had
>  > plenty
>  >> of room
>  >>   for
>  >>    two
>  >>     (or enough for three good
>  friends) and
>  > that
>  >> huge
>  >>   picture
>  >>     window in
>  >> the front.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     If Hyco had survived (Leo
>  was their
>  >> last
>  >>     P-style boat) I'm betting
>  there
>  >> would be more of
>  >>   them
>  >>
>  >> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's
>  >>     stranglehold on the shallow
>  water market
>  >> (shallow by
>  >>     comparison) and I think it
>  >> was a really good try.
>  >>   Sadly,
>  >>    it
>  >>     all fell apart before
>  >> we could really show her
>  >>     off.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>    We did all the deepwater pilot
>  > training
>  >>
>  >>    in her down on the Flower Gardens,
>  and
>  > had a ball.
>  >>   These
>  >>     days, she'd be
>  >> even better, because the
>  >>   subsystems and
>  >>     propulsion gear is so much
>  better. That
>  > sub
>  >> was rated
>  >>   for
>  >>     2000
>  >> feet, which ain't bad. How about that
>  >>
>  >> for an option,
>  >>     Scott?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> No fancy steel. Huge
>  >>     viewport. 600
>  >> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2
>  >>
>  >> foot
>  >>     sphere displaces less than
>  6-tons.
>  >> Add a pair of
>  >>   uncle
>  >>
>  >> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam
>  >>   to
>  >>     support them. Fair the
>  >> thing like a fat tadpole. You
>  >>   could
>  >>     probably hold it down to 7,
>  maybe 7 1/2
>  >> tons.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Leo weighs 10. Most of the
>  P-boats
>  >> weigh
>  >>     that, and a good bit more.
>  Yours
>  >> would be a
>  >>   lightweight
>  >>
>  >> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build,
>  more
>  >>    agile,
>  >>     easier to
>  >> maintain..... The list goes on. What could
>  >>
>  >> be
>  >>     better? Damn, I want one!!!
>  It would
>  >> be perfect for
>  >>   my
>  >>
>  >> neck
>  >>     of the woods.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Vance
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
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>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Thanks for the info
>  >> Phil. I keep running into the
>  >>   same
>  >>     problems of the material
>  and building of
>  >> the
>  >>   personel
>  >>     sphere.
>  >>
>  >>     Scott Waters
>  >>
>  >>
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>  >>     From: Phil Nuytten via
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>  >>
>  >>     Date:01/05/2015  8:44
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>  >>
>  >>     To: Personal
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>  >>
>  >>     Subject: Re:
>  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Hi, Guys, and Happy
>  >> New Year to all loyal
>  >>     subbers!!
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Glad to shed some little
>  light on the
>  >> Pisces
>  >>   subs
>  >>     . .We
>  >> (Nuytco) have
>  >>     four Hyco boats –
>  >> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5
>  >>   are
>  >>    in
>  >>     Hawaii at HURL
>  >> (Hawaii
>  >>     Underwater Research Lab)
>>  >> they are out of
>  >>   service,
>  >>
>  >>    currently and may be sold
>  >>     off if no
>  >> funding is forthcoming. I hope not,
>  >>
>  >> because
>  >>    Terry
>  >>     Kerby
>  >> and his crew
>  >>     rebuilt them into the
>  >> cream of the Pisces crop! There
>  >>   are
>  >>     two Pisces boats in
>  >>
>  >> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,
>  >>   actually
>  >>    ,
>  >>
>  >>    outside a museum).
>  >>     Pisces –1, is
>  >> in the UK, last seen, it  was in
>  >>   parts.
>  >>     Likewise, P-6
>  >>     is in
>  >> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking
>  >>   of
>  >>     IUC’s vessel
>  >> ‘Aloha’)
>  >>     and what’s left is in
>  >> New York as Vance mentions. I
>  >>   cut
>  >>    a
>  >>     deal with my old
>  >>     friend  Andre Galerne
>  (before his
>  >> untimely
>  >>   death) to
>  >>     have
>  >> first dibs on
>  >>     buying P-6 to go into the
>  >> ‘working sub’
>  >>   Hyco/Pisces
>  >>     display section at our
>  >>
>  >> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving
>  >>   technology
>  >>     museum. His
>  >> sons, Lionel
>  >>     and Eric were kind enough
>  >> to honour Andre’s
>  >>   wishes
>  >>     and we will arrange
>  >>
>  >> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets
>  >>   better.
>  >>     Would appreciate
>  >> it if
>  >>     you would steer clear of
>  this one
>  >> – we do plan to
>  >>    rebuild
>  >>     to the same condition
>  >>
>  >> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for .
>  .
>  >>     ‘Leo’ – I heard some
>  years
>  >>     ago that it was for sale
>  (cheap) but have
>  >> no idea
>  >>   what
>  >>     ultimately
>  >> happened to
>  >>     it. Maybe ask at
>  >> Silvercrest? About all you will be
>  >>   able
>  >>    to
>  >>     use from the P-boats
>  >>
>  >>     now is the personnel sphere
>  – you’d
>  >> probably be
>  >>   better
>  >>     off
>  >> building one from
>  >>     scratch if you want a
>  >> thousand feet or less – after
>  >>   the
>  >>     first thou, the spheres
>  >>
>  >>    get much more expensive.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Reagards
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Phil
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
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>  >>
>  >>
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>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>    Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what
>  > turns up.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Thanks,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Scott Waters
>  >>
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>  >>
>  >>     International Underwater
>  >>     Contractors. When Andre
>  Galern was alive,
>  >> it was one
>  >>   of
>  >>    THE
>  >>     deep diving
>  >>
>  >> construction companies in the world. No idea
>  >>   what's
>  >>     happened up
>  >> there in the
>  >>     last few years. Best to
>  >> ask Dr. Phil that one, too.
>  >>   He
>  >>     knew/knows all those
>  >>
>  >> guys.
>  >>
>  >>     Vance
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>  >>
>  >>     6:37 pm
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>  >>
>  >>
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>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Vance,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should
>  >>     probably know this. Haha.
>  >>
>  >>    I figure it's worth at least trying.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Thanks,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Scott Waters
>  >>
>  >>
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>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Anything is possible,
>  Scott.
>  >>     SIlvercrest will skin you
>  alive, given
>  > half
>  >> an
>  >>    opportunity.
>  >>     Or at
>  >> least they'll
>  >>     try. You have to be
>  >> willing to wrangle with them. I
>  >>
>  >> don't think they'll respect
>  >>
>  >> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one
>  >>   laying
>  >>     around. I've
>  >> never asked.
>  >>     You could do a lot worse,
>  >> if the hulls are
>  >>   salvageable.
>  >>     There are four pressure
>  >>
>  >>    vessels (except on Leo). The
>  personnel
>  > sphere, an
>  >>   aft
>  >>     floatation sphere, and
>  >> the
>  >>     two 32" forward VBTs
>  >> (that's what is under
>  >>   the
>  >>     fiberglas brow that makes
>  the P
>  >>     boats so distinctive. And
>  the boats weigh
>  >> from ten
>  >>   to
>  >>    twelve
>  >>     tons, depending.
>  >>     Just
>  >> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds
>  >>   for
>  >>     load capability. The
>  >>
>  >>     P-VI was the most perfect
>  hull Hyco
>  >> ever did--it was
>  >>     fabricated in Jacques
>  >>
>  >>     Piccard's shop in
>  Switzerland under
>  >> contract, and
>  >>   was
>  >>     lap
>  >> finished, as I
>  >>     understand it--both
>  >> inside and out. Lovely thing,
>  >>   P-VI. I
>  >>     remember her well.
>  >>
>  >> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it
>  >>   out into
>  >>     a dumpster. That
>  >> might
>  >>     be another question for our
>  Dr.
>  >> Phil, as I have zero
>  >>     contacts up that
>  >> way
>  >>     anymore. Keep me in mind.
>  I'll
>  >> happily spin a
>  >>   wrench for
>  >>
>  >>    you anytime on one of
>  >>     those.
>  >>
>  >>     Vance
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     -----Original
>  >>     Message-----
>  >>
>  >>     From: swaters at waters-ks.com
>  >>     via
>  >>
>  >> Personal_Submersibles
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>  >>
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>  > Discussion
>  >>
>  >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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>  >>     Sent:
>  >>     Mon, Jan 5, 2015 4:25 pm
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Subject: Re:
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>  >> Pisces
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Excellent info
>  >> Vance! Thank you so much. I was
>  >>   hopeing
>  >>     to locate one and
>  >>
>  >> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one
>  rather
>  >>   than
>  >>     try to build a 1000m
>  >>
>  >>     boat from scratch. Any more
>  pointers
>  >> would be
>  >>   awesome.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Thanks,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Scott Waters
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
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>  >>
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>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     -------- Original message
>  >> --------
>  >>
>  >>     From: via
>  >>
>  >>     Personal_Submersibles
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Date:01/05/2015 3:02 PM
>  (GMT-06:00)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Subject: Re:
>  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     P-I Scrapped out by
>  >>
>  >>    Vickers
>  >>
>  >>     P-II
>  >> Rumored
>  >>     to be in a Miami storage
>  unit
>  >> (unconfirmed)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     P-III ?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     P-IV In Hawaii and
>  >>     in service (but stony
>  broke, I hear)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> P-V
>  >>     Ditto
>  >>
>  >>     P-VI
>  >>     IUC warehouse in
>  >> New York, maybe parted
>  >>     out
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> P-VII In a Russian
>  >>     museum (Sevastopol, I
>  >> think)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     P-VIII
>  >>     Nuytco
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> P-IX
>  >>     Design
>  >>     study
>  >> for Intersub (4K
>  >>     meters, never
>  >> built)
>  >>
>  >>     P-X
>  >> Nuytco
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     P-X11 Same as VII (flanking
>  the front
>  >>     doors, last I
>  >>     saw)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Plus Leo, which
>  >> was a big-window Pisces
>  >>     style rated to
>  >> 2000'
>  >>     which, along with P-VI and
>  >> Aquarius, are the only
>  >>   Hyco
>  >>    boats
>  >>     that I qualified
>  >> on
>  >>     and operated (although the
>  P-VI
>  >> experience was not a
>  >>   good
>  >>
>  >>    one for me or the
>  >>     owners, either
>  >> one). I did participate in a Pisces V
>  >>
>  >> overhaul in Houston, but
>  >>     I'm not
>  >> sure that counts except for the busted
>  >>
>  >> knuckles.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>    I think the boys at Silvercrest might
>  >>
>  >> have one of the question
>  >>     marks, but
>  >> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that
>  >>
>  >> leaves
>  >>     one unaccounted for. I'm
>  >>     betting Mr. Dr. Prof.
>  Nuytten would know.
>  >> As a side
>  >>   note,
>  >>    if
>  >>     you look at the
>  >>     Mirs,
>  >> you will see where they sprang from. They are
>  >>   Pisces
>  >>     boats on steroids.
>  >>
>  >>     Those people worked at IUC
>  for a couple
>  >> of years and
>  >>     operated P-VII and P-XII
>  >>
>  >>     for years after that, then
>  took all
>  >> those dandy
>  >>   ideas,
>  >>
>  >> added
>  >>     a pile of rubles,
>  >>     and built a couple of big
>  brawny kissing
>  >> cousins. Mir
>  >>   1
>  >>     &
>  >> Mir 2, by name.
>  >>     The Pisces subs were
>  >> pretty good for the day, but
>  >>     maintenance
>  >> heavy. And rest
>  >>     assured, you
>  >> haven't really lived until you have
>  >>
>  >> pulled
>  >>     a Pisces battery box at
>  >>     sea to change one cell.
>  What a job!!!
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Vance
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     -----Original
>  >>
>  >> Message-----
>  >>
>  >>     From:
>  >> Alan James via Personal_Submersibles
>  >>   <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >>
>  >>     To:
>  >>
>  >>    Personal Submersibles General
>  > Discussion
>  >>
>  >> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >>
>  >>     Sent:
>  >>     Mon, Jan 5, 2015 3:02 pm
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Subject: Re:
>  [PSUBS-MAILIST]
>  >> Pisces
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Scott,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Hawaii
>  >>     undersea research lab on
>  Oahu has
>  >> two
>  >>     subs.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     One I know
>  >>     is a Pisces & I believe
>  the
>  >>     other is also.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     I think
>  >>     David Columbo has seen them
>  in the
>  >>     last year,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     he might
>  >>     confirm.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     They told me they were
>  >> losing
>  >>     funding for operating them
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> as Govt considered rovs were
>  >>     better
>  >> value for money.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Alan
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> From: "swaters at waters-ks.com
>  >>     via
>  >>
>  >> Personal_Submersibles"
>  >>   <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >>
>  >>     To: psubs
>  >>     <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Sent: Tuesday,
>  >>
>  >> January 6, 2015
>  >>     7:27 AM
>  >>
>  >>     Subject:
>  >>     [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Does
>  >>     anyone know what happened
>  to all
>  >>     the Pisces submarines? I
>  believe there
>  > was
>  >> 10 built,
>  >>   but
>  >>     only one
>  >> or two that
>  >>     are still in operation. I
>  >> think NOAA has one.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>     Thanks,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Scott
>  >>     Waters
>  >>
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