[PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Lights

Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Sat Jul 25 21:29:58 EDT 2015


Hank, I am with you on this.  I think the dimmer overly complicates the
lite.  In the spirit of KISS and to keep the cost down, I am thing we need
to roll back to the no dimmer position.
Cliff

On Saturday, July 25, 2015, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> I find that I either need light or not.  I used to think dimming would be
> good, but now I would say it is a waste of time.
> Hank
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 7/25/15, Ken Martindale via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Lights
>  To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  Received: Saturday, July 25, 2015, 5:53 PM
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>  #yiv7943653100 These are standard reflectors made
>  for the 29 LED array, they are not expensive but have not
>  actually found the cost yet.  They are made out of plastic but
>  metal ones are also available.  Have you a suggestion? Now’s the
>  time to make changes.  The beam angle of the array is 120
>  degrees to 50% falloff which will be modified by passing
>  through the proposed flat port. Don’t know by how much,
>  haven’t looked at that problem.   Take a look at the spec on the web
>  forum. New release today from Cliff and I.  Dimming seems to be the
> present
>  issue, to dim or not to dim.  Appreciate your
>  comments,  Ken  From: Personal_Submersibles
>  [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org <javascript:;>] On
>  Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles
>  Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 5:58 PM
>  To: Personal Submersibles General
>  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED
>  Lights  Ken, in your latest
>  document you are stating....There are a number of reflectors
>  made for this 29 LED Array with beam angles of 18, 28 and 40
>  degreesLooking on my
>  favourite underwater light site, I found the following beam
>  angles...
>
>  3 with 85 degree
>  flood, 1 with 85 & 32 spot option, 2 with 77 or 30, 2
>  with 75 or 38 & 1 with 65 flood.It seems up round
>  80 degrees is the most popular.I like the idea of
>  being able to interchange reflectors to have either a wide
>  or narrow beam.To get the 80
>  degree flood we would need to create a housing so that the
>  emitter was near enough to the lense to be able to
>  get that wide angle. With a reflector that was more narrow
>  we could then reduce the angleto
>  suit.There are miriads
>  of reflectors on the Deal Extreme site (search on
>  reflector). These are usually for flash lights& bike lights
>  so not sure if we would get an 80 degree angle.Here is a bridgelux
>  80 degree reflector but about 3" diameter.
> http://darkoo.en.alibaba.com/product/60081774368-221072235/Bridgelux_COB_led_reflector_DK7560_REF_K_B_75mm_80_degree_white_reflector_high_efficiency_new_product.htmlI
> can do an
>  extensive Google on this, but any thoughts on this direction
>  first?AlanFrom: Alan James via
>  Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  To: Personal Submersibles General
>  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>
>  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 9:17
>  AM
>  Subject:
>  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Lights  Cliff,the retaining ring
>  for the lense could easily be made larger
>  &have holes drilled
>  for attachment, if people wanted to modify the design for
>  there own purposes. Also
>  noted on the D.S.P.&L. site that they have multiple
>  options for differentbrands of
>  connectors. Again just make the thread on our generic
>  housing for whateverconnector or blue
>  globe cable gland we want.Alan    From: Cliff Redus via
>  Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  To: Personal Submersibles General
>  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>
>  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 2:17
>  AM
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED
>  Lights  Alan, my thinking
>  is that with the flange, you could mount the light either
>  way.  On the new boat I am designing, I am planning a FRP
>  recess so that outside of the flange is flush with the
>  outside of the FRP shell.  Would still need to cut a hole
>  were the body passes through the FRP shell.  Yes this does
>  reduce the convection heat transfer from the light but I was
>  thinking of leaving say a 3/8 clearance around the recessed
>  flange.  I don't see any problem with either approach
>  to sealing on a MPB by using a neoprene flat
>  gadget.
>   Cliff  On Fri, Jul 24,
>  2015 at 3:58 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  wrote:
>
>    Cliff,I was thinking of
>  fitting the light in to a bowl
>  shapedrecess in the
>  fairing / ballast tank, whereas you were
>  proposingcutting a hole out
>  & fitting it in. In hindsight your idea is
>  betterbecause my idea
>  would inhibit the heat dispersion due to the
>  fiberglasssurrounding the
>  light fitting.Alan
>   From: Cliff Redus via
>  Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  To: Personal Submersibles General
>  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>
>  Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:43
>  AM
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED
>  Lights
>   Alan, I am visual
>  kind of guy.  Can send me sketch of what you are describing
>  and we can talk.
>   Cliff
>   On Fri, Jul 24,
>  2015 at 3:23 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  wrote:  Looks a good solid
>  light Cliff.On looking at the
>  perpendicular cable entry, I was thinking
>  weneed a back entry
>  for the purposes of mounting in to a
>  housingin the fairing as
>  you have requested in your list.I am looking at
>  mounting in to ballast tanks so will create the
>  shape of the light in the
>  molding to receive it. If there was a
>  threadedextension on the
>  back of the light it could slot through a hole & be
>  securedwith a nut. This
>  would make it easier to seal off the ballast tanks
>  inmy
>  situation.Alan
>   From: Cliff Redus via
>  Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  To: Personal Submersibles General
>  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>
>  Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:55
>  AM
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED
>  Lights
>   Ken, if you go to
>  Youtube and do a search on https://youtu.be/D7VnwODU7vk,
>  or 5000 Lumen Bridgelux Vero 18 LED light, you will see a
>  short video of the light.
>   Cliff
>   On Thu, Jul 23,
>  2015 at 3:29 PM, Ken Martindale via Personal_Submersibles
>  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  wrote:  Cliff, How do I look at
>  them?? Ken From:
>  Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org
> <javascript:;>]
>  On Behalf Of Clifford Redus via
>  Personal_Submersibles
>  Sent: Thursday,
>  July 23, 2015 4:18 PM
>  To: Personal
>  Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> <javascript:;>>
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED
>  Lights Now that Jon has
>  the forum site set up for the LED light project, my
>  suggestion is to move the discussion to the forum site
>  called out in Jon's email.  BTW, I have uploaded to the
>  site the wiring diagram and housing drawings for the 5000
>  Lumen light that was designed by the ME students I was
>  mentoring last year. Cliff On Thu, Jul 23,
>  2015 at 2:55 PM, Ken Martindale via Personal_Submersibles
>  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  wrote:Doing the dimming
>  electrically is easy but the problem is the extra wiring and
>  where do you mount the Potentiometer? We can include the
>  wires in the cable for use as an option this also
>  complicates the cabling. Instead of two wires we would
>  require 4 wires. Personally I also
>  like the dimming since it will extend the time you can use
>  it out of the water. Anybody also like or dislike? Cliff
>  would like to delete. You guys be sure to
>  keep reading the spec. it will have almost daily updates for
>  a while. Ken From:
>  Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org
> <javascript:;>]
>  On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles
>  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:31 PM
>  To: Personal Submersibles General
>  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED
>  Lights Cliff,
>  Ken,I like the dimming
>  option. The 10,000 lumens may be too much light
>  insome low visibility
>  conditions where there is a lot of back
>  scatter.The 5,000 lumen
>  option may act like a fog
>  light.Also I am thinking
>  of having lights mounted to the side which may
>  notneed to be as
>  intense.Depth rating....
>  looking at the drawings of various 10,000 meter light
>  housings,it seems simple to
>  achieve a reasonable depth without much more
>  cost.Potting the
>  board..... I would be careful about what was potted in case
>  some of thecomponents needed
>  to get rid of a bit of
>  heat.Mechanical
>  housing..... with you on that one Cliff. Like the idea of
>  the recessed light.Alan From: Clifford Redus via
>  Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  To: Personal Submersibles General
>  Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>
>  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 4:06
>  AM
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED
>  Lights Ken, good first
>  pass at the specs.  Below are comments.  BTW, I will post
>  these here as I have not been able to get the activation
>  code back yet on registering at the
>  forum. Item 2.1 DC
>  Voltage.  If it were me, I would stick with nominal battery
>  bank voltages of 24 and 36 VDC.  When I switch to MK 101
>  thrusters, I dropped my main battery bank voltage to 36VDC
>  my instrumentation bus is 24VDC.  Would need a
>  single fuse holder to accept fuses to handle different
>  nominal voltages. Item 4.0 Depth
>  Requirement.  In the spirit of keeping cost down, I think
>  500 meters (1640 ft) would be more than enough.  I know
>  Scott is designing a deep diving boat but is any one else
>  shooting for more than
>  500m? 6.0 Dimming.   I
>  would omit the ability to dim the light.  Yes I know it is
>  easy from an electrical point of view but it forces us to go
>  with more pins on the subsea connector.  I am thinking on
>  installing multiple lighs so I could just control on/off
>  for each light.  I could go either way on this but in the
>  spirit of KISS, I vote to omit
>  dimming. 8.3 Ports  I would
>  change plastic to acrylic.  I don't think we will end
>  up here but if we do, we can use PVHO flat view port calcs
>  to size the acrylic lens. 9.0 Printed Wiring
>  Boards.  I really like the way the Minn-Kota motor
>  controller PWBs are potted.  Rather than using the spray on
>  hydrophobic coatings, to me we should pot the board (accept
>  for access to fuse).  Therefore suggest changing the word
>  coated to potted. 11.0 Mechanical
>  Housing.  I suggest.  The LED panel light and PCB shall
>  be contained in a single 1-atm flange mounted
>  cylindrical housing with a low profile that can be recessed
>  in a FRP shell with attachment screws from the rear of the
>  flange.  The housing should contain a single 29 LED Array
>  rated at 10,000 lumens  with a rated power of  91-140
>  lumens/W (109-71W).  Mounting holes will be provided for
>  an optional SS yoke style support bracket.
>   Material: Hard
>  anodized 6061-T6 or 7071-T6  TBD (I have a grey beard
>  machinist friend that owns a machine shop.  He loves
>  7071-T6 as it is a dream to machine and stronger than
>  6061-T6. On Thu, Jul 23,
>  2015 at 9:52 AM, Ken Martindale via Personal_Submersibles
>  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  wrote: Cost is critical.
>  The electronics should be a small part of the cost. The
>  housing might be the most expensive. Hope you guys are
>  reading the specification. Ken From:
>  Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org
> <javascript:;>]
>  On Behalf Of Clifford Redus via
>  Personal_Submersibles
>  Sent: Thursday,
>  July 23, 2015 10:18 AM
>  To: Personal
>  Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles at psubs.org
> <javascript:;>>
>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED
>  Lights Jon, thanks for
>  setting up the forum.  I am assuming we can post files as
>  well.  I agree low cost
>  is important but having a functioning light is as well.
>  OTS LED utility lights like that one you noted are not an
>  option unless they can be potted.  To me the best way to
>  keep the cost low, is to publish construction drawings of a
>  1-atm  DIY housing that a psubber could machine or have
>  machined by a friend, and publish a design of a PCB that
>  could be easily fabricated using  one of the PCB online
>  sites like  ExperessPCB www.expresspcb.com and
>  DIY populate the board.  As a group, we design and build a
>  prototype that I can test in my shop. If it works as
>  designed, then we post to the psubs site a report, that
>  includes the design drawings, circuit diagram, parts list
>  and test
>  results.  Getting a
>  consciences on the design spec is the first
>  step.  Cliff On Wed, Jul 22,
>  2015 at 10:11 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles
>  <personal_submersibles at psubs.org <javascript:;>>
>  wrote:
>  My
>  three words of advice...cost, cost, cost.
>
>  One measure of a success for
>  this project will be how many people actually build/use
>  it.  If it costs more to manufacture than just purchasing
>  something like
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electrical/Lights/DC-Mobile-Equipment-Lights/12-24-VDC-3120-LUMEN-16-LED-UTILITY-FLOOD-LIGHT-12-999-B.axd
>  off the shelf then it's real world application by
>  psubbers may be limited.
>
>  Over-spec'ing the design above requirements
>  for typical recreational operations (ie 10,000 psi
>  capability) is likely going to drive up the cost.  Also,
>  let's remember that "cheap", "low
>  cost", and "good price" are relative terms
>  for a diverse group like PSUBS so include realistic
>  estimates of parts and manufacturing especially if tooling
>  is required.
>
>  Jon
>
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