[PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining

hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Sat Mar 7 20:09:19 EST 2015


Hugh,
Yes it is like that but very heavily built with a sliding tool post bolted on to hold a cutter.  I have a hydraulic motor and worm gear driving it.  I think your right,,, grinding will work much easier.  The ring is pretty darn hard after welding.  I am breaking cutters :-(  Time to regroup and rig up a grinder attachment ;-)
No pictures yet, it is kinda ugly 
Hank
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On Sat, 3/7/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

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 Received: Saturday, March 7, 2015, 7:30 PM
 
 
  
 Hi
 Hank,Sounds great and I think it needs a grinding
 disc.Is it
 on your projects page?
  Anything like this?Hugh  -----Original
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 Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 1:08 p.m.
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 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining
    Hugh,I just
 built one, started testing it but needs to be more ridged
 unless I mount a grinder on it instead of a
 cutter.Hank--------------------------------------------On Sat,
 3/7/15, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:  
 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring
 machining To:
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 Received: Saturday, March 7, 2015, 6:45 PM
     Try googling Portable Flange
 facer.  You can probably find a local place to
 rent  from.Alternatively you can make one  using a
 heavy trailer axle hub mounted to a plate with two 
 jacking nuts for each of 5 holding points then an arm with
 a  pneumatic (air) grinder and a cup wheel.Maybe we
 need to do an open  source design for p-subs for an
 easy to build one as this  has come up before.Hugh
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 On  Behalf Of Alec Smyth via
 Personal_Submersibles Sent:
 Sunday, 8 March 2015 11:32 a.m. To:
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 Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring 
 machining
  I used to do
 lapping many, many years ago when I built some plastic 
 injection molds. We lapped on a glass plate because
 it's  smoother than plate steel. You change the
 glass every so  often because as abrades it loses its
 flatness. There's  no trouble knowing if the piece
 you're lapping is done  or if its flat. What
 happens is that, as you work it, you  can see the
 difference in the surface finish. The new finish 
 gradually spreads across the surface, and when its uniform
  you know you've got rid of any low points. I
 really  can't imagine lapping something as big as
 we're  talking about here, although I suppose its
 technically  possible. This was really hard work,
 taking days on end to  do a piece that was maybe
 6" by 10", tiny compared  to what we're
 talking about here.   Greg Cottrell told me
 he  finished his hatch land surface with an angle
 grinder, using  a flap wheel and a lot of patience. It
 looks like it had  been machined.  
  Best,  Alec  On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 2:09
  PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
 wrote:Hank,had a quick search but  couldn't find
 any suitable  lappingsolution for a home
 builder. There
 were referances to thickplate glass with a bonded
 diamond  surface & marble aslapping 
 plates.Alan
  From: hank pronk
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  Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015
 11:29 PM
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 machining
  Alan, I have
 been told that it would work, but I am not 
 convinced.  I would think the machined disk needs to
 be  harder so it does not wear down.  Honestly I
 just  don't know.
 Hank-------------------------------------------- On
 Fri, 3/6/15, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring
 machining To:
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 Received: Friday, March 6, 2015, 9:30 PM
  So do you
 think it would work with a flatsheet  rotating on your
 reinforcing ring?I  had thought of doing this with the
 hatch & landing,  toget a  perfect seal, not
 sure if I would need an orbital  motionor 
 not.Alan  
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      Alan, Yes
 I have done lapping in the past.  I mostly
 lap valves in  engines.  It works great on two
 tapered faces.
 Hank-------------------------------------------- On
 Fri, 3/6/15, Alan James via
 Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
 wrote:    Subject: Re:
 [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma ring machining  
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 Received: Friday, March 6, 2015, 6:39 PM  
    Hank,are you  
 familiar with lapping?Rubbing
  two surfaces together with abrasive paste
 in  
 betweenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapping  
 Haven't  
 done it but have seen
 it in operation; you can get a very
  smoothsurface  
 with this technique. Not sure if you
 could adapt it to your  
 newflange  
 facing machine.The  
 machine I saw in
 operation was slow but required very little  
 attention.Alan  
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 machining  
       Steve,  
 I am half way done
  building my flange facing machine, 
 I should be mostly  done  
 tomorrow.  My rig already weighs about
 700 lbs.  I think  
 it is important that
 it is heavy and mine is built heavier
  than the ones on YouTube.  If it
 fails I can do as you  
 mention.  I actually did exactly what you say 
 on   Gamma's window frames. I used
 paint and glass with fine  
 wet sand paper. I would guess
 the SS ring was much harder  
 than the 516-70
 I have.   Hank
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 On Fri, 3/6/15, Stephen Fordyce via  
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 wrote:     
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 machining  
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 Received: Friday, March 6, 2015, 4:06 PM  
    Hi Hank,  
       We used a
 flame facing machine recently at  
 work to do a  
 stainless steel flange on a  
 pressure vessel about 800mm ID.  
 We hired it  
 to use ourselves at great expense, and the
 thing  
 weighed a couple of hundred kilos, was very
  solid.  
 The fitter who did the job was
 very   experienced
   machinist (but hadn't used  
 one before) but
 could not get  
 the finish  
 very smooth - I can't find photos sorry, 
 but   it was like regular machining
 grooves  but much  
 larger - and  
 it looked pretty ordinary. He  
 spent several hours
 with a   grinder cleaning  
 it up.   On balance, it
 probably would have  
 been easier  
 to just flatten it manually
  with a grinder (but it was on
 a   live  
 liquefied natural gas plant and they don't 
 like   sparks:) ). Wasn't critical
 to get a flat  
 face as we
   were just making room for a  
 gasket in a slot
 to have more  
   compression.  
 After getting it pretty
 flat   with a straight
   edge, the fine  
 stuff/quality control could be
 done by a thin  
 layer of paint on a known
 flat plate or  
 machined flange  
 which you put on the welded
  flange and then where there
 is   no
 paint   deposited, you know that area is
 too low. Obviously  
 paint is no good, but
 colored oil or 2-layered  
 carbon paper  
 (nice because then you have a  
 trace of it) would probably
   work, or  
 charcoal.
   Cheers,  
    Steve  
 On 06/03/2015 11:40  
 PM,   "hank pronk via
  Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>  
 wrote:   Brian,  
    No, the machine is
 connected  
 to the inside lip of the  
 ring.  The  
 machine rotates on a
 center pivot.  The cutter  
 rotates instead of the part.  
       Hank  
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    On Thu, 3/5/15, Brian
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 March   5, 2015, 9:15 PM
           
  Hank,  are you going to  
 be       turning the
 whole   fricking sub ?  
         
  Brian  
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 Gamma ring machining  
        Date: Thu, 5
 Mar 2015 18:00:24 -0800  
         
  Today my  
 welder came to my shop and welded
 the      reinforcing  
     ring into  
 Gamma, 10 passes, looks perfect!  
           Next  
 step, machine the
 ring.  I am going to make a  
     flange facing machine
 from   a one ton  truck full  
        floater differential
 hub and a part or two borrowed  
 from   my  
        spare lathe.  The rig
 will be hydraulic  drive.   
     This may or may
 not   work.  :-)  If it works
 and I  
     am confident it will,
 I can also face CT  
 lands, with the  
 CT     
  welded in place.  
   
  Hank  
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