[PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing...

Wed Sep 9 17:49:31 EDT 2015

Thanks Vance & Hugh, very helpful.Alan
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From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing...  Vance,what about towing from a low point at the front?One of my thoughts was to have a low frontal tow point with a short lengthof rope from it with a clip on the end. This is clipped on to a higher point on the subwhen not in use & clipped on to the towing rope when needed. This is so that you don't get wet trying to attach to a point below the water line.Alan  From: via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing...  James,Before you weld towing eyes on the front of your battery pods, you might try making some circular clamps to go around the front of each pod and attach towing eyes to those.  That way you could test the concept first and possibly refine it.Jim In a message dated 9/9/2015 1:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes:

| The Bionic Guppy is pretty long and heavy though.
Hank |

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| If you pick up those three towing points so that everything pulls evenly in calm water, it will go a long way toward keeping things stable when things start pushing and pulling in different directions.  Vance

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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing...Thanks Vance, I did think of maybe towing from the battery pods.  Maybe i'll weld on a couple of towing eyes.  Something else I should have thought of before..... will check out options later. regards James   On 9 September 2015 at 16:38, via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: 

The force applied that high and that close to the center of gravity will make her dive and squirm. Pull hard enough, she'll crab out to one side and roll toward the boat. It will be hard not to spill your tea. Vance

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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Towing...That's what I was thinking.  However, there is a video of someone towing Bionic Guppy and they are pulling it from the lifting eye.  Different boat though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApUnGjTb4DQ   On 9 September 2015 at 12:23, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: 

Hi James, I think you need to tow from the front leading edge to avoid crabbing. Hank     On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 3:36 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:  Hi All, Has anyone towed a K boat from the forward lifting eye?  

I am going to tow my boat to a better diving location.  I think the best place to tow it would be the very front, on the hand rail mounting post.  At this point there is a 20mm stainless bar bolted through the forward tank and into the framework.  Although its a thick bar, I have a feeling it might get damaged if I tow the boat from that point.  Forward lifting eye would be better but ive got a feeling it might now tow very well. 
Any thoughts? 
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