From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 1 18:35:21 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 23:35:21 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?36v_speed_controller_suggestions?= Message-ID: <56870f07.86f98c0a.c0ff3.fffff1ad@mx.google.com> After visiting Alec I got the bug to put a speed controller on at least the main, rear thruster. Since I?m in the midst of rewiring everything on Harold's sub, this would be a good time to get creative. Suggestions? Maryland Brian Sent from Microsoft Surface -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 1 19:16:31 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 00:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 36v speed controller suggestions In-Reply-To: <56870f07.86f98c0a.c0ff3.fffff1ad@mx.google.com> References: <56870f07.86f98c0a.c0ff3.fffff1ad@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1207335093.4551898.1451693791153.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Brian, ?I have great luck with my Curtis controller from a golf cart, it will work on 24 or 36 volts. ?It is very easy to wire in with a simple potentiometer for speed control.Hank On Friday, January 1, 2016 4:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: After visiting?Alec?I got the bug to put a speed controller on at?least the main, rear thruster. Since I?m in the midst of rewiring everything on Harold's sub, this would be a good time to get creative. Suggestions? Maryland Brian Sent from Microsoft Surface _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 1 19:33:48 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 19:33:48 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 36v speed controller suggestions In-Reply-To: <56870f07.86f98c0a.c0ff3.fffff1ad@mx.google.com> References: <56870f07.86f98c0a.c0ff3.fffff1ad@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Brian, You're not going to want to hear this, but the speed controllers are even more useful on the side thrusters. At any rate if you are using them in vertical mode for buoyancy control. Here's a good source that someone here provided. I think it was Jon (thanks Jon). http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/roboteq_speed_controllers.html Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 6:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > After visiting Alec I got the bug to put a speed controller on at least > the main, rear thruster. Since I?m in the midst of rewiring everything on > Harold's sub, this would be a good time to get creative. > > Suggestions? > > Maryland Brian > > Sent from Microsoft Surface > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 2 11:06:18 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] dome and sub parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1893915268.4765523.1451750778183.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Emile,That is a very nice size, 1500 mm, should be buoyant at 700m rating. ?I would like to?hear what you find out about them, like thickness and weather they are pressed or segmented.Hank On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Emile,the new dome press must be working well.Alan Sent from my iPad On 31/12/2015, at 9:23 am, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv4730238476 #yiv4730238476 -- _filtered #yiv4730238476 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv4730238476 #yiv4730238476 p.yiv4730238476MsoNormal, #yiv4730238476 li.yiv4730238476MsoNormal, #yiv4730238476 div.yiv4730238476MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv4730238476 a:link, #yiv4730238476 span.yiv4730238476MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4730238476 a:visited, #yiv4730238476 span.yiv4730238476MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4730238476 p.yiv4730238476standaard-p, #yiv4730238476 li.yiv4730238476standaard-p, #yiv4730238476 div.yiv4730238476standaard-p {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv4730238476 span.yiv4730238476E-mailStijl18 {font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;}#yiv4730238476 span.yiv4730238476E-mailStijl19 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered #yiv4730238476 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt;}#yiv4730238476 div.yiv4730238476Section1 {}#yiv4730238476 Hi Alan, ? Depending on thecalculation method and temperature is the operational depth for the 20 mm (apex) thickness about 220 meter . For the 26 mm about 300 meter . The crush depth isaccording to Stachiw?s tables about 4 times the operational depth. Has somebody on the lista calculation method for the crush depth? ? ? Emile ? Van:Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Alan via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 30 december2015 21:09 Aan: Personal Submersibles GeneralDiscussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]dome and sub parts ? Wow that's a good price Emile. What is the crush depth of those 20mm thick domes? Alan Sent from my iPad On 31/12/2015, at 8:49 am, Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi, ? For those who are preparing a sub project: I have afew acrylic domes for sale from stock. See this webpage for details. http://www.nordicsub.nl/acrylic%20mermispheres.htmlPsub members 10 % discount ;-) The Dome with 20 mm thickness has a OD. of 600 mm .For logistics an liability reason I can?t ship to the US ?(directly) ? Anyone interested is 2 or 4 steel hemispheres ofabout 1500 mm diameter? Next Saturday I will visit a company who is selling 4hemi?s that were intended for a 700 meter submersible. On the visit I will measure accurate and ask for a price.Half the price of new would be fine. ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 3 19:33:05 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 16:33:05 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs In-Reply-To: <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301d14687$7b15ca90$71415fb0$@telus.net> Besides your own, Hank? Seriously, it sounds like as survey of members would help. What would be the definition of "currently operating"? Obviously it would include those dive ready, but what about those subs currently undergoing maintenance or repair with plans to dive once this hemisphere thaws out? Alan, is the submarine that you built in your kitchen and primarily used to drown cockroaches currently operating" Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:55 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs A friend asked me how many ammeter built subs are currently operating, and how many are under construction. I could not even guess? Any guesses? Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 3 19:44:18 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 00:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs In-Reply-To: <001301d14687$7b15ca90$71415fb0$@telus.net> References: <001301d14687$7b15ca90$71415fb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <587492709.251364.1451868258164.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Tim,Let us say, subs that are operating or just?undergoing routine maintenance. ?I would say a sub like that would be considered operational.So there is Gamma, ComSub, Snoopy, Emile must have two, Carsten has two, Karl stanly of coarse. ?Could there be 50 ?Hank On Sunday, January 3, 2016 5:33 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv7583537116 #yiv7583537116 -- _filtered #yiv7583537116 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7583537116 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7583537116 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv7583537116 #yiv7583537116 p.yiv7583537116MsoNormal, #yiv7583537116 li.yiv7583537116MsoNormal, #yiv7583537116 div.yiv7583537116MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv7583537116 a:link, #yiv7583537116 span.yiv7583537116MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7583537116 a:visited, #yiv7583537116 span.yiv7583537116MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7583537116 span.yiv7583537116EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv7583537116 .yiv7583537116MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv7583537116 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv7583537116 div.yiv7583537116WordSection1 {}#yiv7583537116 Besides your own, Hank? ?Seriously, it sounds like as survey of members would help.? What would be the definition of "currently operating"?? Obviously it would include those dive ready, but what about those subs currently undergoing maintenance or repair with plans to dive once this hemisphere thaws out? ?Alan, is the submarine that you built in your kitchen and primarily used to drown cockroaches currently operating" ?Tim ? ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:55 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs ?A friend asked me how many ammeter built subs are currently operating, and how many are under construction. I could not even guess? ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 3 19:45:54 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 00:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs In-Reply-To: <001301d14687$7b15ca90$71415fb0$@telus.net> References: <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <001301d14687$7b15ca90$71415fb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1760474582.6432616.1451868355034.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tim,'it's close to operational, but I am intending to totally rewire it & try mythrusters & controllers out on it, when I finish them.What about your garage decoration?Hank's friend could look through the projects page on psubs, but that isonly our group, & some of the new builds aren't there.Also a Google image search of home built submarine brings up a few.Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs #yiv4614940226 #yiv4614940226 -- _filtered #yiv4614940226 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4614940226 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4614940226 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv4614940226 #yiv4614940226 p.yiv4614940226MsoNormal, #yiv4614940226 li.yiv4614940226MsoNormal, #yiv4614940226 div.yiv4614940226MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv4614940226 a:link, #yiv4614940226 span.yiv4614940226MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4614940226 a:visited, #yiv4614940226 span.yiv4614940226MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4614940226 span.yiv4614940226EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv4614940226 .yiv4614940226MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv4614940226 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv4614940226 div.yiv4614940226WordSection1 {}#yiv4614940226 Besides your own, Hank? ?Seriously, it sounds like as survey of members would help.? What would be the definition of "currently operating"?? Obviously it would include those dive ready, but what about those subs currently undergoing maintenance or repair with plans to dive once this hemisphere thaws out? ?Alan, is the submarine that you built in your kitchen and primarily used to drown cockroaches currently operating" ?Tim ? ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:55 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs ?A friend asked me how many ammeter built subs are currently operating, and how many are under construction. I could not even guess? ? Any guesses?Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: military submarine.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 116355 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 3 21:46:56 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 20:46:56 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs Message-ID: I have KW-350 Trustworthy ready to dive and have a few subs under construction. I am ready to get to dive in deep water with Trustworthy since I missed out in 2015 because my work got in the way. HahaThanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/03/2016 6:44 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs Tim,Let us say, subs that are operating or just?undergoing routine maintenance. ?I would say a sub like that would be considered operational.So there is Gamma, ComSub, Snoopy, Emile must have two, Carsten has two, Karl stanly of coarse. ?Could there be 50 ?Hank On Sunday, January 3, 2016 5:33 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv7583537116 #yiv7583537116 -- _filtered #yiv7583537116 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7583537116 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7583537116 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv7583537116 #yiv7583537116 p.yiv7583537116MsoNormal, #yiv7583537116 li.yiv7583537116MsoNormal, #yiv7583537116 div.yiv7583537116MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;} #yiv7583537116 a:link, #yiv7583537116 span.yiv7583537116MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv7583537116 a:visited, #yiv7583537116 span.yiv7583537116MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv7583537116 span.yiv7583537116EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;} #yiv7583537116 .yiv7583537116MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv7583537116 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv7583537116 div.yiv7583537116WordSection1 {} #yiv7583537116 Besides your own, Hank? ?Seriously, it sounds like as survey of members would help.? What would be the definition of "currently operating"?? Obviously it would include those dive ready, but what about those subs currently undergoing maintenance or repair with plans to dive once this hemisphere thaws out? ?Alan, is the submarine that you built in your kitchen and primarily used to drown cockroaches currently operating" ?Tim ? ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:55 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs ?A friend asked me how many ammeter built subs are currently operating, and how many are under construction. I could not even guess? ? Any guesses?Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 3 22:14:46 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 21:14:46 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the R300 operational. Sorted out the thruster issue from last dive. Getting ready to take the boat to Lake Amistad in Tx in two weeks. Working on upgrading the aft propellers in the ducted nozzles with a variable pitch prop. Hope to do some bollard thrust measurements of new prop as a function of pitch as well as the Minn-Kota MKP-33 and Kipawa 80/01 props as controls in about a month. 10K LED light prioject is on hold waiting on the driver. Ken's wife has had some serous heath issues over the last several month so he has not been able to work on the project. The last time we spoke, he was hopeful to get back on the driver. Cliff On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 8:46 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I have KW-350 Trustworthy ready to dive and have a few subs under > construction. I am ready to get to dive in deep water with Trustworthy > since I missed out in 2015 because my work got in the way. Haha > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: 01/03/2016 6:44 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs > > Tim, > Let us say, subs that are operating or just undergoing routine > maintenance. I would say a sub like that would be considered operational. > So there is Gamma, ComSub, Snoopy, Emile must have two, Carsten has two, > Karl stanly of coarse. Could there be 50 ? > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 3, 2016 5:33 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Besides your own, Hank? > > Seriously, it sounds like as survey of members would help. What would be > the definition of "currently operating"? Obviously it would include those > dive ready, but what about those subs currently undergoing maintenance or > repair with plans to dive once this hemisphere thaws out? > > Alan, is the submarine that you built in your kitchen and primarily used > to drown cockroaches currently operating" > > Tim > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:55 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs > > A friend asked me how many ammeter built subs are currently operating, and > how many are under construction. I could not even guess? Any guesses? > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 4 00:31:04 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 21:31:04 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs In-Reply-To: <1760474582.6432616.1451868355034.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <001301d14687$7b15ca90$71415fb0$@telus.net> <1760474582.6432616.1451868355034.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003101d146b1$1c2111a0$546334e0$@telus.net> Hey Alan, Good to hear about your sub being a going concern as a test bed. My SportSub was commercially built, so does not qualify for this list. But to answer your question; I need only repair/replace the thruster and it will be ready for spring. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 4:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs Hi Tim,' it's close to operational, but I am intending to totally rewire it & try my thrusters & controllers out on it, when I finish them. What about your garage decoration? Hank's friend could look through the projects page on psubs, but that is only our group, & some of the new builds aren't there. Also a Google image search of home built submarine brings up a few. Alan _____ From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs Besides your own, Hank? Seriously, it sounds like as survey of members would help. What would be the definition of "currently operating"? Obviously it would include those dive ready, but what about those subs currently undergoing maintenance or repair with plans to dive once this hemisphere thaws out? Alan, is the submarine that you built in your kitchen and primarily used to drown cockroaches currently operating" Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:55 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs A friend asked me how many ammeter built subs are currently operating, and how many are under construction. I could not even guess? Any guesses? Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 4 05:39:01 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:39:01 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs In-Reply-To: <003101d146b1$1c2111a0$546334e0$@telus.net> References: <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <001301d14687$7b15ca90$71415fb0$@telus.net> <1760474582.6432616.1451868355034.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <003101d146b1$1c2111a0$546334e0$@telus.net> Message-ID: K-350 Jodie B is operational. Currently just undergoing a battery replacement. On 4 January 2016 at 05:31, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hey Alan, > > Good to hear about your sub being a going concern as a test bed. My > SportSub was commercially built, so does not qualify for this list. But to > answer your question; I need only repair/replace the thruster and it will > be ready for spring. > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Alan James via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Sunday, January 3, 2016 4:46 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs > > > > Hi Tim,' > > it's close to operational, but I am intending to totally rewire it & try my > > thrusters & controllers out on it, when I finish them. > > What about your garage decoration? > > Hank's friend could look through the projects page on psubs, but that is > > only our group, & some of the new builds aren't there. > > Also a Google image search of home built submarine brings up a few. > > Alan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > > *To:* 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2016 1:33 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs > > > > Besides your own, Hank? > > > > Seriously, it sounds like as survey of members would help. What would be > the definition of "currently operating"? Obviously it would include those > dive ready, but what about those subs currently undergoing maintenance or > repair with plans to dive once this hemisphere thaws out? > > > > Alan, is the submarine that you built in your kitchen and primarily used > to drown cockroaches currently operating" > > > > Tim > > > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [ > mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org > ] *On Behalf Of *hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:55 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs > > > > A friend asked me how many ammeter built subs are currently operating, and > how many are under construction. I could not even guess? Any guesses? > > Hank > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 4 07:39:51 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:39:51 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] subs for sale Message-ID: Best wishes for 2016 to all! There are several interesting subs for sale. A older colleague is tiding up. Osel "Mantis" http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/08/features/over-matter/viewgal lery/285866 -3 units available, 2 in good complete condition -originally a tethered sub -with manipulators -You should not be longer as 1.75 cm unless you use it as collectors item. -with manual/documentation -price : Euro 10.000,- -12.500,- Submersible "Marbel" -Perry/ Kittredge style sub with dome window on both ends of the hull. -abt. 2,5 ton heavy -abt 1 meter hull diameter -100 meter dive depth -professional build. Note the stainless hatch rings and MBT's -good condition / no corrosion -Price : Euro 17.500,- Both subs are for 10 years in store so a refit an battery check is necessary. Pickup in the Netherlands or ship worldwide. There is also hull available to build a 1,5 -2 Ts sub with. (Pic 9999) Please contact me offlist at emile @ airesearch.nl (remove spaces) for more pictures if you are interested. 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But to answer your question; I need only repair/replace the thruster and it will be ready for spring.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 4:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs?Hi Tim,'it's close to operational, but I am intending to totally rewire it & try mythrusters & controllers out on it, when I finish them.What about your garage decoration?Hank's friend could look through the projects page on psubs, but that isonly our group, & some of the new builds aren't there.Also a Google image search of home built submarine brings up a few.Alan??From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs?Besides your own, Hank??Seriously, it sounds like as survey of members would help.? What would be the definition of "currently operating"?? Obviously it would include those dive ready, but what about those subs currently undergoing maintenance or repair with plans to dive once this hemisphere thaws out? ?Alan, is the submarine that you built in your kitchen and primarily used to drown cockroaches currently operating"?Tim??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:55 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs?A friend asked me how many ammeter built subs are currently operating, and how many are under construction. I could not even guess? ? 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I > have to count to ten ;-) > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 5 15:02:05 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:02:05 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] news flash In-Reply-To: References: <1744202519.354699.1452016333964.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1744202519.354699.1452016333964.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8fab57f0aeb50ef4994fd21ae643381f.squirrel@webmail.snyderemail.com> I beleive he was just venting some air... On Tue, January 5, 2016 1:25 pm, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, I'm not following... was there supposed to be a photo attached or something? Best, Alec On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > News flash, it is not easy to build a 1 ton plus sphere single handed! I > have to count to ten ;-) Hank > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 5 15:09:49 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 20:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] news flash In-Reply-To: References: <1744202519.354699.1452016333964.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1744202519.354699.1452016333964.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2134132627.530582.1452024590037.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> No,?I think Hank is just having a bad submarine day& needs to share it with caring & empathetic people.Alan From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] news flash Hank, I'm not following... was there supposed to be a photo attached or something?? Best, Alec On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: News flash, it is not easy to build a 1 ton plus sphere single handed!? I have to count to ten ;-)Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Alec On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: News flash, it is not easy to build a 1 ton plus sphere single handed!? I have to count to ten ;-)Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 5 17:28:29 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] news flash In-Reply-To: <167614887.442571.1452027922136.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2134132627.530582.1452024590037.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <167614887.442571.1452027922136.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94599325.598349.1452032909948.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Well done Hank,some of these things take 50 x more effort than what you anticipate.Look forward to the progress photos.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] news flash Alan is correct, I was chasing 2,000 lb of steel around the shop trying to get it in position to weld in the port frame. ?It is in, and now I am relaxing in front of the lathe?turning a ?2 inch?thick ring into shavings.Hank On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 1:13 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: No,?I think Hank is just having a bad submarine day& needs to share it with caring & empathetic people.Alan From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] news flash Hank, I'm not following... was there supposed to be a photo attached or something?? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 6 16:08:41 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:08:41 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? Message-ID: <20160106210841.WVJYP.102283.root@cdptpa-web19> All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. Thanks, Steve From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 6 16:11:36 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:11:36 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? Message-ID: <20160106211136.VDJT3.102357.root@cdptpa-web19> All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. Thanks, Steve From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 6 16:24:38 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 14:24:38 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?2016_Convention=3F?= Message-ID: <20160106142438.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.2e6c586078.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 6 17:23:29 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:23:29 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <20160106142438.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.2e6c586078.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160106142438.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.2e6c586078.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: - Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather - Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard - Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.) - A local PSUBS member (Al Secor) - NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment - And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! Best, Alec On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Steve, > > I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing > to help if there was a interest. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year > and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would > ask. > > I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. > > Thanks, > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 6 17:28:21 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 15:28:21 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?2016_Convention=3F?= Message-ID: <20160106152821.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a1fbdf3733.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 6 17:57:52 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 22:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <20160106152821.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a1fbdf3733.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160106152821.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a1fbdf3733.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1258451153.965281.1452121072256.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Alec,Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom??Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I second that!!! Great idea Alec!?-Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: - Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather- Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard- Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.)- A local PSUBS member (Al Secor)- NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment- And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! Best, Alec On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve,?I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest.?Thanks,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 6 18:11:47 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 18:11:47 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <1258451153.965281.1452121072256.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20160106152821.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a1fbdf3733.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> <1258451153.965281.1452121072256.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alec, > Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the > bottom? > Hank > > > On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > I second that!!! Great idea Alec! > > -Scott Waters > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: > > - Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to > rainy weather > - Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good > contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold > Maynard > - Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs > based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.) > - A local PSUBS member (Al Secor) > - NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment > - And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test > of my new boat! > > > Best, > > Alec > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Steve, > > I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing > to help if there was a interest. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year > and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. 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Great idea Alec!?-Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: - Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather- Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard- Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.)- A local PSUBS member (Al Secor)- NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment- And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! Best, Alec On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve,?I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest.?Thanks,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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In-Reply-To: <20160106163117.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.2820a9fb7c.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160106163117.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.2820a9fb7c.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1497929462.985973.1452124991777.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Scott,Where do you live, Arkansa?Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:31 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: If we?do it at Seneca, I will bring my sub.?Thank you,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 4:13 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion How deep is it? On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec,Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom??Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I second that!!! Great idea Alec!?-Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: - Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather- Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard- Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.)- A local PSUBS member (Al Secor)- NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment- And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! Best, Alec On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve,?I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest.?Thanks,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec, Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom?? Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I second that!!! Great idea Alec! ? -Scott Waters? ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: - Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather - Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard - Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.) - A local PSUBS member (Al Secor) - NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment - And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! Best, Alec On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve, ? I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest. ? Thanks, Scott Waters? ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alec, Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom? Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: I second that!!! Great idea Alec! -Scott Waters -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: - Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather - Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard - Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.) - A local PSUBS member (Al Secor) - NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment - And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! Best, Alec On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Steve, I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest. Thanks, Scott Waters -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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In-Reply-To: <000001d148ee$e2dac720$a8905560$@telus.net> References: <000001d148ee$e2dac720$a8905560$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1785146921.1055722.1452135961854.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Tim,Thanks'That is a perfect lake! ?Hey would you be interested in driving out with me? ?Also I am getting a pressure test booked for February in Vancouver, wanna come watch and console me if it squishes. ?;-)?Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:58 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv0474164760 #yiv0474164760 -- _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv0474164760 #yiv0474164760 p.yiv0474164760MsoNormal, #yiv0474164760 li.yiv0474164760MsoNormal, #yiv0474164760 div.yiv0474164760MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv0474164760 a:link, #yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0474164760 a:visited, #yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv0474164760 .yiv0474164760MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv0474164760 div.yiv0474164760WordSection1 {}#yiv0474164760 Hank,Seneca Lake, NYLocated south of Lake Ontario, east and a bit south of Niagara FallsFrom Wikipedia:Average depth 291ftMax depth 618ftMax length 38miElevation 445ft ?Apparently no tropical reefs, but lots of wine in the area. ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:13 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? ?How deep is it? ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec,Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom??Hank ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?I second that!!! Great idea Alec!?-Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: ?- Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather- Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard- Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.)- A local PSUBS member (Al Secor)- NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment- And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! ? ?Best, Alec ? ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve,?I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest.?Thanks,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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Tim,Thanks'That is a perfect lake! ?Hey would you be interested in driving out with me? ?Also I am getting a pressure test booked for February in Vancouver, wanna come watch and console me if it squishes. ?;-)?Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:58 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv0474164760 #yiv0474164760 -- _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv0474164760 #yiv0474164760 p.yiv0474164760MsoNormal, #yiv0474164760 li.yiv0474164760MsoNormal, #yiv0474164760 div.yiv0474164760MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;} #yiv0474164760 a:link, #yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv0474164760 a:visited, #yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;} #yiv0474164760 .yiv0474164760MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv0474164760 div.yiv0474164760WordSection1 {} #yiv0474164760 Hank,Seneca Lake, NYLocated south of Lake Ontario, east and a bit south of Niagara FallsFrom Wikipedia:Average depth 291ftMax depth 618ftMax length 38miElevation 445ft ?Apparently no tropical reefs, but lots of wine in the area. ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:13 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? ?How deep is it? ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote:Alec,Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom??Hank ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?I second that!!! Great idea Alec!?-Scott Waters??-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: ?- Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather- Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard- Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.)- A local PSUBS member (Al Secor)- NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment- And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! ? ?Best, Alec ? ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote:Steve,?I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest.?Thanks,Scott Waters??-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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Message-ID: <1785146921.1055722.1452135961854.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Tim,Thanks'That is a perfect lake! ?Hey would you be interested in driving out with me? ?Also I am getting a pressure test booked for February in Vancouver, wanna come watch and console me if it squishes. ?;-)?Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:58 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv0474164760 #yiv0474164760 -- _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv0474164760 #yiv0474164760 p.yiv0474164760MsoNormal, #yiv0474164760 li.yiv0474164760MsoNormal, #yiv0474164760 div.yiv0474164760MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv0474164760 a:link, #yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0474164760 a:visited, #yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv0474164760 .yiv0474164760MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv0474164760 div.yiv0474164760WordSection1 {}#yiv04741647! 60 Hank,Seneca Lake, NYLocated south of Lake Ontario, east and a bit south of Niagara FallsFrom Wikipedia:Average depth 291ftMax depth 618ftMax length 38miElevation 445ft ?Apparently no tropical reefs, but lots of wine in the area. ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:13 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? ?How deep is it? ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec,Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom??Hank ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?I second that!!! Great idea Alec!?-Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: ?- Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather- Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard- Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.)- A local PSUBS member (Al Secor)- NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment- And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! ? ?Best, Alec ? ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve,?I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest.?Thanks,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? 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(Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 03:06:01 +0000 (UTC) From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? Message-ID: ?<1785146921.1055722.1452135961854.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Tim,Thanks'That is a perfect lake! ?Hey would you be interested in driving out with me? ?Also I am getting a pressure test booked for February in Vancouver, wanna come watch and console me if it squishes. ?;-)?Hank ??? On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:58 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ?#yiv0474164760 #yiv0474164760 -- _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv0474164760 #yiv0474164760 p.yiv0474164760MsoNormal, #yiv0474164760 li.yiv0474164760MsoNormal, #yiv0474164760 div.yiv0474164760MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv0474164760 a:link, #yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0474164760 a:visited, #yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0474164760 span.yiv0474164760EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv0474164760 .yiv0474164760MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv0474164760 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv0474164760 div.yiv0474164760WordSection1 {}#yiv04741647! ?60 Hank,Seneca Lake, NYLocated south of Lake Ontario, east and a bit south of Niagara FallsFrom Wikipedia:Average depth 291ftMax depth 618ftMax length 38miElevation 445ft ?Apparently no tropical reefs, but lots of wine in the area. ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:13 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? ?How deep is it? ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec,Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom??Hank ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?I second that!!! Great idea Alec!?-Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons:? ?- Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather- Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard- Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.)- A local PSUBS member (Al Secor)- NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment- And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! ? ?Best, Alec ? ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve,?I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest.?Thanks,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? 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The later in the year the more likely the new sub will be ready, but any later than that and schools have started. Plus, summer ends rather early up there. Best, Alec On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 10:35 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Haha. Best of luck Hank! If we end up doing lake Seneca for the psubs > convention, it would be amazing to dive together! > -Scott Waters > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: 01/06/2016 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > > Tim, > Thanks' > That is a perfect lake! > Hey would you be interested in driving out with me? > Also I am getting a pressure test booked for February in Vancouver, wanna > come watch and console me if it squishes. ;-) > Hank > > > On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:58 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hank, > Seneca Lake, NY > Located south of Lake Ontario, east and a bit south of Niagara Falls > From Wikipedia: > Average depth 291ft > Max depth 618ft > Max length 38mi > Elevation 445ft > > Apparently no tropical reefs, but lots of wine in the area. > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:13 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > > How deep is it? > > On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the > way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a > test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in > miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alec, > Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the > bottom? > Hank > > On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > I second that!!! Great idea Alec! > > -Scott Waters > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: > > - Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to > rainy weather > - Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good > contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold > Maynard > - Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs > based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.) > - A local PSUBS member (Al Secor) > - NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment > - And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test > of my new boat! > > > Best, > > Alec > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Steve, > > I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing > to help if there was a interest. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year > and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 06:59:18 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <1785146921.1055722.1452135961854.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1785146921.1055722.1452135961854.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5342550.1167163.1452167958557.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,I found a pressure chamber in Vancouver that can go to 2,000 psi and my occupant sphere fits easily. ?Because of the volume of my ?sphere, they need to either ?partially fill it with water??or golf balls or whatever in case it implodes. ?An implosion could damage their equipment. ?Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:06 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Tim,Thanks'That is a perfect lake! ?Hey would you be interested in driving out with me? ?Also I am getting a pressure test booked for February in Vancouver, wanna come watch and console me if it squishes. ?;-)?Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:58 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv8143819156 -- filtered {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv8143819156 filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv8143819156 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv8143819156 filtered {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv8143819156 p.yiv8143819156MsoNormal, #yiv8143819156 li.yiv8143819156MsoNormal, #yiv8143819156 div.yiv8143819156MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8143819156 a:link, #yiv8143819156 span.yiv8143819156MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8143819156 a:visited, #yiv8143819156 span.yiv8143819156MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8143819156 span.yiv8143819156EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8143819156 .yiv8143819156MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8143819156 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv8143819156 div.yiv8143819156WordSection1 {}#yiv8143819156 Hank,Seneca Lake, NYLocated south of Lake Ontario, east and a bit south of Niagara FallsFrom Wikipedia:Average depth 291ftMax depth 618ftMax length 38miElevation 445ft ?Apparently no tropical reefs, but lots of wine in the area. ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:13 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? ?How deep is it? ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec,Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom??Hank ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?I second that!!! Great idea Alec!?-Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: ?- Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather- Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard- Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.)- A local PSUBS member (Al Secor)- NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment- And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! ? ?Best, Alec ? ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve,?I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest.?Thanks,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 07:05:46 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2093198446.1181725.1452168346276.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Scott,Thanks'It would be fun to dive together, I imagine it could be pretty easy to lose?each other though. ?Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:35 PM, "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Haha. Best of luck Hank! If we end up doing lake Seneca for the psubs convention, it would be amazing to dive together!-Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/06/2016 9:06 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? Tim,Thanks'That is a perfect lake! ?Hey would you be interested in driving out with me? ?Also I am getting a pressure test booked for February in Vancouver, wanna come watch and console me if it squishes. ?;-)?Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:58 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv9883170765 -- filtered {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv9883170765 filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv9883170765 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9883170765 filtered {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv9883170765 p.yiv9883170765MsoNormal, #yiv9883170765 li.yiv9883170765MsoNormal, #yiv9883170765 div.yiv9883170765MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv9883170765 a:link, #yiv9883170765 span.yiv9883170765MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9883170765 a:visited, #yiv9883170765 span.yiv9883170765MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9883170765 span.yiv9883170765EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv9883170765 .yiv9883170765MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv9883170765 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9883170765 div.yiv9883170765WordSection1 {}#yiv9883170765 Hank,Seneca Lake, NYLocated south of Lake Ontario, east and a bit south of Niagara FallsFrom Wikipedia:Average depth 291ftMax depth 618ftMax length 38miElevation 445ft ?Apparently no tropical reefs, but lots of wine in the area. ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:13 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? ?How deep is it? ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec,Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom??Hank ?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?I second that!!! Great idea Alec!?-Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: ?- Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather- Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard- Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.)- A local PSUBS member (Al Secor)- NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment- And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! ? ?Best, Alec ? ?On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Steve,?I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest.?Thanks,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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Name: Pisces.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 444801 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 18:42:31 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: <20160107163440.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.853d59803b.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160107163440.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.853d59803b.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <2064318927.1457421.1452210151974.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? ?Hank On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that?made countless discoveries?an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have?put together a team of experts to?do the rebuild.?In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high.?I am hopping the?rebuild can be done in 3-4 years.?Here we go psubbers!???? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 19:09:35 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Private via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:09:35 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: <20160107163440.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.853d59803b.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160107163440.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.853d59803b.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <7515E58D-15F6-4BDE-9CE5-4126941B281D@gmail.com> Huge congratulations!!!! To put that in perspective your new boat is about a dozen Snoopies in weight and thirty Snoopies in depth. This is going to be fascinating to follow, I can't wait. Best, Alec > On Jan 7, 2016, at 6:34 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that made countless discoveries an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have put together a team of experts to do the rebuild. In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high. I am hopping the rebuild can be done in 3-4 years. Here we go psubbers! > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 19:26:19 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 18:26:19 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Message-ID: I will put up a new page for everyone to follow. It will be a little bit before we can do rides at the next psub conference. Haha. Deffenetly a weird thing having a deep diving submarine in Kansas. HahaThanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/07/2016 5:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? ?Hank On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that?made countless discoveries?an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have?put together a team of experts to?do the rebuild.?In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high.?I am hopping the?rebuild can be done in 3-4 years.?Here we go psubbers!??? ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 19:26:45 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:26:45 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: <7515E58D-15F6-4BDE-9CE5-4126941B281D@gmail.com> References: <20160107163440.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.853d59803b.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> <7515E58D-15F6-4BDE-9CE5-4126941B281D@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's incredible Scott! What a project!!! I'm glad you are a part of psubs, as this will bring a great manned depth capability within reach of the organization. 26,000 lbs may not tow too well behind the Whaler though, you're going to need a bigger boat!!! ~ Douglas S. On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Private via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Huge congratulations!!!! To put that in perspective your new boat is about > a dozen Snoopies in weight and thirty Snoopies in depth. This is going to > be fascinating to follow, I can't wait. > > Best, > > Alec > > On Jan 7, 2016, at 6:34 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle > Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that made > countless discoveries an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am > in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have put > together a team of experts to do the rebuild. In her current state she > weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high. I am > hopping the rebuild can be done in 3-4 years. Here we go psubbers! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 19:28:55 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:28:55 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <20160107093459.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e31ee82479.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160107093459.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e31ee82479.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: I support a vote for Seneca Lake as well. It's close for me and depending on dates, Snoopy can almost certainly be there. ~ Douglas S. On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Sounds good to me. Alec, would you take charge and I and Steve can help > since you already know everything at Lake Seneca? > > Thanks, > Scott > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Thu, January 07, 2016 9:26 am > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Scott/All, I would be willing to be part of a team to help organize. I > should have bandwidth to assist with a few assignments. If we confirm a > core team early we can divide the work load and get an early start. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 20:21:21 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:21:21 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <1785146921.1055722.1452135961854.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001d148ee$e2dac720$a8905560$@telus.net> <1785146921.1055722.1452135961854.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006201d149b2$e36098e0$aa21caa0$@telus.net> Sounds good, Hank, on both the dive out and the pressure test (but I really hope it doesn?t squish). We should discuss and make plans off list. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:06 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? Tim, Thanks' That is a perfect lake! Hey would you be interested in driving out with me? Also I am getting a pressure test booked for February in Vancouver, wanna come watch and console me if it squishes. ;-) Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 6:58 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hank, Seneca Lake, NY Located south of Lake Ontario, east and a bit south of Niagara Falls >From Wikipedia: Average depth 291ft Max depth 618ft Max length 38mi Elevation 445ft Apparently no tropical reefs, but lots of wine in the area. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:13 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? How deep is it? On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:11 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Seneca is one of the finger lakes, in upstate NY. If you made it all the way there, yes it would certainly be fun to try to follow the sub down in a test. I tried to do that once and couldn't stay within sight, but it was in miserable visibility. It should be feasible at Seneca. On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alec, Where is Senica Lake, would you like me to escort your new sub to the bottom? Hank On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:28 PM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: I second that!!! Great idea Alec! -Scott Waters -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 3:23 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Well... I vote for Seneca Lake. Lots of reasons: - Super visibility (more like incredible visibility) which is resistant to rainy weather - Support from local dive club and business community - we've got good contacts from Snoopy dives, and a long precedent established by Harold Maynard - Proximity to the great lakes has always produced good attendance of subs based in that region (Gary Sluis, Dan Brewer, Les Katschor, etc.) - A local PSUBS member (Al Secor) - NOT a Corps of Engineers lake, no harassment - And last but not least, sufficient depth for conducting the depth test of my new boat! Best, Alec On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Steve, I have heard nothing of anyone planning a convention. I would be willing to help if there was a interest. Thanks, Scott Waters -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 2:08 pm To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org All, I am thinking about what excursions I might need to plan this year and hadn't heard much about a potential convention. So I thought I would ask. I believe we were kicking around some ideas but wasn't sure where we stood. 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Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date: 01/07/2016 5:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? Hank On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that made countless discoveries an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have put together a team of experts to do the rebuild. In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high. I am hopping the rebuild can be done in 3-4 years. 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Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/07/2016 7:31 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Way to go, Scott!This is really incredible!!? But fess up Scott, ?is the Pisces really her submarine?Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:26 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine?I will put up a new page for everyone to follow. It will be a little bit before we can do rides at the next psub conference. Haha. Deffenetly a weird thing having a deep diving submarine in Kansas. HahaThanks,Scott Waters???Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/07/2016 5:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? ?Hank?On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote:?Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that?made countless discoveries?an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have?put together a team of experts to?do the rebuild.?In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high.?I am hopping the?rebuild can be done in 3-4 years.?Here we go psubbers!???? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 22:21:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 22:21:09 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <20160107093459.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e31ee82479.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160107093459.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e31ee82479.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Eeek, I've organized a PSUBS convention once before and I'm not sure I quite want to be the lead. Particularly this year which is going to be particularly hectic. What I'd really like is to speak to our contacts over there and see what can be lined up in terms of specific facilities and help, but leave someone else the pleasure of lining up the speakers and sub owners, or the finances. Al (Secor), if you're reading this... I've done two dive trips there but you're local. Would you have any specific recommendations as far as a site? Some of the Great Lakes subs likely to attend do not launch easily on a ramp and might even need to be craned in, and a launch site that implied minimal towing would also be a huge plus. I'm pretty sure we can line up surface support, but we could have a good number of subs. Please let us know any suggestions. Once I've heard from you my next step would be to sound out our friends at the Finger Lakes Underwater Preservation Assn. Before even starting down that path, are there any alternative ideas? I think Jon makes the call, after weighing whatever ideas are out there. Thanks, Alec On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Sounds good to me. Alec, would you take charge and I and Steve can help > since you already know everything at Lake Seneca? > > Thanks, > Scott > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Thu, January 07, 2016 9:26 am > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Scott/All, I would be willing to be part of a team to help organize. I > should have bandwidth to assist with a few assignments. If we confirm a > core team early we can divide the work load and get an early start. Looks > like we already have some subs and a reasonable date. > > Thanks, > Steve > > ---- via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 23:30:52 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 20:30:52 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: References: <20160107093459.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e31ee82479.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <001401d149cd$5cdb3c10$1691b430$@telus.net> With respect to an alternative idea, how about the west coast this year? How many subs could attend a convention in Redding, CA with a dive in Whiskeytown Lake or Lake Shasta? Redding has a dive shop. Can David Colombo recommend a better lake in California, Oregon, Nevada, or ? Is Clear Lake California a clear lake? Other thoughts? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:21 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? Eeek, I've organized a PSUBS convention once before and I'm not sure I quite want to be the lead. Particularly this year which is going to be particularly hectic. What I'd really like is to speak to our contacts over there and see what can be lined up in terms of specific facilities and help, but leave someone else the pleasure of lining up the speakers and sub owners, or the finances. Al (Secor), if you're reading this... I've done two dive trips there but you're local. Would you have any specific recommendations as far as a site? Some of the Great Lakes subs likely to attend do not launch easily on a ramp and might even need to be craned in, and a launch site that implied minimal towing would also be a huge plus. I'm pretty sure we can line up surface support, but we could have a good number of subs. Please let us know any suggestions. Once I've heard from you my next step would be to sound out our friends at the Finger Lakes Underwater Preservation Assn. Before even starting down that path, are there any alternative ideas? I think Jon makes the call, after weighing whatever ideas are out there. Thanks, Alec On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Sounds good to me. Alec, would you take charge and I and Steve can help since you already know everything at Lake Seneca? Thanks, Scott -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > Date: Thu, January 07, 2016 9:26 am To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Scott/All, I would be willing to be part of a team to help organize. I should have bandwidth to assist with a few assignments. If we confirm a core team early we can divide the work load and get an early start. Looks like we already have some subs and a reasonable date. Thanks, Steve ---- via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 7 23:41:58 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BFAl_Secor?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 04:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? References: <2000889139.83059.1452228118161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2000889139.83059.1452228118161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Alec, The majority of facilities would be at the south end of the lake at Watkins Glen. This includes hotels, marinas, plus easily reachable shipwrecks. The south end also has one of the only boat ramps that I *know* can launch a K-350. There is also camping available there. The other alternative would be the north end at Geneva...plenty of hotels there also. There are sparse facilities along the east and west side, (Sampson State Park on the east side) and Severne Point on the west side which is a good spot for deep testing but few other facilities and I know we were unable to launch Dan H's K-350 Persistence there although I know you were able to launch Snoopy there. I would have to check on boat lifts in Watkins but I am sure they are available. All in all, I think Watkins Glen would be the best place for a conference as long as it's not a race weekend (for hotel availability). Where did you put in when you were up here last summer Alec? Al Secor -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/7/16, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Thursday, January 7, 2016, 10:21 PM Eeek, I've organized a PSUBS convention once before and I'm not sure I quite want to be the lead. Particularly this year which is going to be particularly hectic. What I'd really like is to speak to our contacts over there and see what can be lined up in terms of specific facilities and help, but leave someone else the pleasure of lining up the speakers and sub owners, or the finances.? Al (Secor), if you're reading this... I've done two dive trips there but you're local. Would you have any specific recommendations as far as a site? Some of the Great Lakes subs likely to attend do not launch easily on a ramp and might even need to be craned in, and a launch site that implied minimal towing would also be a huge plus. I'm pretty sure we can line up surface support, but we could have a good number of subs. Please let us know any suggestions. Once I've heard from you my next step would be to sound out our friends at the Finger Lakes Underwater Preservation Assn. Before even starting down that path, are there any alternative ideas? I think Jon makes the call, after weighing whatever ideas are out there.? Thanks, Alec? On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sounds good to me. Alec, would you take charge and I and Steve?can help since you already know?everything at Lake Seneca? ? Thanks, Scott? ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Thu, January 07, 2016 9:26 am To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Scott/All, I would be willing to be part of a team to help organize. I should have bandwidth to assist with a few assignments. If we confirm a core team early we can divide the work load and get an early start. Looks like we already have some subs and a reasonable date. Thanks, Steve ---- via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 00:55:11 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:55:11 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: <20160107163440.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.853d59803b.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160107163440.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.853d59803b.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <40C07599-9B81-4E14-A8CA-D9FD0FB79980@snyderemail.com> So awesome!!! > On Jan 7, 2016, at 5:34 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that made countless discoveries an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have put together a team of experts to do the rebuild. In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high. I am hopping the rebuild can be done in 3-4 years. Here we go psubbers! > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 02:59:11 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 07:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1173245423.1830587.1452239951352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations,you must have bet Hank to it.Any details? Where did it come from?Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine I will put up a new page for everyone to follow. It will be a little bit before we can do rides at the next psub conference. Haha. Deffenetly a weird thing having a deep diving submarine in Kansas. HahaThanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/07/2016 5:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? ?Hank On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that?made countless discoveries?an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have?put together a team of experts to?do the rebuild.?In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high.?I am hopping the?rebuild can be done in 3-4 years.?Here we go psubbers!???? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 05:17:49 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:17:49 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: <1173245423.1830587.1452239951352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1173245423.1830587.1452239951352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You must have sold your soul to get your hands on that! Congratulations! Look forward to following your progress. I'd make the trip over the Atlantic for a ride in that in 4 years time! Good luck. James On 8 January 2016 at 07:59, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Congratulations, > you must have bet Hank to it. > Any details? Where did it come from? > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 1:26 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine > > I will put up a new page for everyone to follow. It will be a little bit > before we can do rides at the next psub conference. Haha. Deffenetly a > weird thing having a deep diving submarine in Kansas. Haha > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: 01/07/2016 5:42 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine > > Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? > Hank > > > On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle > Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that made > countless discoveries an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am > in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have put > together a team of experts to do the rebuild. In her current state she > weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high. I am > hopping the rebuild can be done in 3-4 years. Here we go psubbers! > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 05:36:00 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <2000889139.83059.1452228118161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2000889139.83059.1452228118161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1596033985.1618679.1452249360917.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Tim,Of?coarse California is great for me, it is only a two day drive down where New York is 4 days each way. ?If it was California, I could guarantee one sub from me.?Hank On Thursday, January 7, 2016 9:42 PM, ???Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec, The majority of facilities would be at the south end of the lake at Watkins Glen.? This includes hotels, marinas, plus easily reachable shipwrecks.? The south end also has one of the only boat ramps that I *know* can launch a K-350.? There is also camping available there.? The other alternative would be the north end at Geneva...plenty of hotels there also.? There are sparse facilities along the east and west side, (Sampson State Park on the east side) and Severne Point on the west side which is a good spot for deep testing but few other facilities and I know we were unable to launch Dan H's K-350 Persistence there although I know you were able to launch Snoopy there. I would have to check on boat lifts in Watkins but I am sure they are available.? All in all, I think Watkins Glen would be the best place for a conference as long as it's not a race weekend (for hotel availability).? Where did you put in when you were up here last summer Alec? Al Secor -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/7/16, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Thursday, January 7, 2016, 10:21 PM Eeek, I've organized a PSUBS convention once before and I'm not sure I quite want to be the lead. Particularly this year which is going to be particularly hectic. What I'd really like is to speak to our contacts over there and see what can be lined up in terms of specific facilities and help, but leave someone else the pleasure of lining up the speakers and sub owners, or the finances.? Al (Secor), if you're reading this... I've done two dive trips there but you're local. Would you have any specific recommendations as far as a site? Some of the Great Lakes subs likely to attend do not launch easily on a ramp and might even need to be craned in, and a launch site that implied minimal towing would also be a huge plus. I'm pretty sure we can line up surface support, but we could have a good number of subs. Please let us know any suggestions. Once I've heard from you my next step would be to sound out our friends at the Finger Lakes Underwater Preservation Assn. Before even starting down that path, are there any alternative ideas? I think Jon makes the call, after weighing whatever ideas are out there.? Thanks, Alec? On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sounds good to me. Alec, would you take charge and I and Steve?can help since you already know?everything at Lake Seneca? ? Thanks, Scott? ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Date: Thu, January 07, 2016 9:26 am To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Scott/All, I would be willing to be part of a team to help organize. I should have bandwidth to assist with a few assignments. If we confirm a core team early we can divide the work load and get an early start. Looks like we already have some subs and a reasonable date. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 06:20:02 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 06:20:02 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <2000889139.83059.1452228118161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2000889139.83059.1452228118161.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2000889139.83059.1452228118161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Al! Snoopy has put in at Severne Point, at the public ramp at Watkins, and at a private ramp belonging to one of our friends, but he's since sold the property. I agree at Severne it could get tricky for a larger sub because the ramp has such a shallow angle to it, but the Watkins one was excellent. So it would seem the public ramp at Watkins might be best. Thanks, Alec On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:41 PM, ???Al Secor < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alec, > > The majority of facilities would be at the south end of the lake at > Watkins Glen. This includes hotels, marinas, plus easily reachable > shipwrecks. The south end also has one of the only boat ramps that I > *know* can launch a K-350. There is also camping available there. The > other alternative would be the north end at Geneva...plenty of hotels there > also. There are sparse facilities along the east and west side, (Sampson > State Park on the east side) and Severne Point on the west side which is a > good spot for deep testing but few other facilities and I know we were > unable to launch Dan H's K-350 Persistence there although I know you were > able to launch Snoopy there. > > I would have to check on boat lifts in Watkins but I am sure they are > available. All in all, I think Watkins Glen would be the best place for a > conference as long as it's not a race weekend (for hotel availability). > > Where did you put in when you were up here last summer Alec? > > Al Secor > > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 1/7/16, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2016, 10:21 PM > > Eeek, > I've organized a PSUBS convention once before and > I'm not sure I quite want to be the lead. Particularly > this year which is going to be particularly hectic. What > I'd really like is to speak to our contacts over there > and see what can be lined up in terms of specific facilities > and help, but leave someone else the pleasure of lining up > the speakers and sub owners, or the finances. > Al (Secor), if you're reading > this... I've done two dive trips there but you're > local. Would you have any specific recommendations as far as > a site? Some of the Great Lakes subs likely to attend do not > launch easily on a ramp and might even need to be craned in, > and a launch site that implied minimal towing would also be > a huge plus. I'm pretty sure we can line up surface > support, but we could have a good number of subs. Please let > us know any suggestions. Once I've heard from you my > next step would be to sound out our friends at the Finger > Lakes Underwater Preservation Assn. > Before even starting down that path, > are there any alternative ideas? I think Jon makes the call, > after weighing whatever ideas are out there. > > Thanks, > Alec > On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at > 11:34 AM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > Sounds > good to me. Alec, would you take charge and I and Steve can > help since you already know everything at Lake > Seneca? > > Thanks, > Scott > > > -------- Original Message > -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 > Convention? > From: Steve McQueen via > Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Thu, > January 07, 2016 9:26 am > To: Personal > Submersibles General Discussion > > > Scott/All, I would be willing to be > part of a team to help organize. I should have bandwidth to > assist with a few assignments. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 09:10:50 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Juergen Guerrero Kommritz via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 14:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2092247402.3200718.1452262250944.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Good luck with that!? Is a very interesting sub!!Best wishesJuergen James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles schrieb am 5:19 Freitag, 8.Januar 2016: You must have sold your soul to get your hands on that!? Congratulations!? Look forward to following your progress.? I'd make the trip over the Atlantic for a ride in that in 4 years time!? Good luck.James On 8 January 2016 at 07:59, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Congratulations,you must have bet Hank to it.Any details? Where did it come from?Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine I will put up a new page for everyone to follow. It will be a little bit before we can do rides at the next psub conference. Haha. Deffenetly a weird thing having a deep diving submarine in Kansas. HahaThanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/07/2016 5:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? ?Hank On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that?made countless discoveries?an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have?put together a team of experts to?do the rebuild.?In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high.?I am hopping the?rebuild can be done in 3-4 years.?Here we go psubbers!???? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 09:22:48 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:22:48 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Message-ID: <1522e5.510098bc.43c12038@aol.com> That's pretty awesome, Scott. The Kansas Navy continues to grow. There's a lot online about IV and V, but not much about Pisces VI. Here's an article about one of her dives: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/11/science/undersea-quest-for-giant-squids-an d-rare-sharks.html Best wishes as the saga unfolds. Jim Todd In a message dated 1/7/2016 11:55:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: So awesome!!! On Jan 7, 2016, at 5:34 PM, via Personal_Submersibles <_personal_submersibles at psubs.org_ (mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org) > wrote: Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that made countless discoveries an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have put together a team of experts to do the rebuild. In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high. I am hopping the rebuild can be done in 3-4 years. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 09:54:57 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:54:57 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: References: <20160107093459.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e31ee82479.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <568FCDC1.60903@psubs.org> Based upon the chatter, it sounds like Seneca Lake is an attractive location for a number of people. I think it qualifies as long as there are conveniences and resources in the form of reasonably priced hotels, restaurants, and services. July and early August (first two weeks) would be the best opportunity in terms of season and school commitments for people that have kids of school or college age. Based upon Al's warning about race weekend, it looks like available dates would be July 5-10, July 19-24, July 26-31, Aug 9-14, Aug 16-21. I will put a "stake in the ground" and suggest July 26-31 because it is mid-summer and offers the largest buffer between two race dates which should help with securing reservations. If this doesn't work for most people we can change it. I hear the call for the west coast, I would also nominate the Florida Keys again, but in both of those cases I would expect limited attendance particularly for submarines because of the travel distance involved. For a diving convention we should pick the location that will attract the largest submarine attendance. So we should collate two lists immediately; who will commit to bringing their submarine (either dive ready or static display), and who will attend which will help us confirm the site. I will commit to attending Seneca with AQUATIC, minimally as a static display. I will commit to attending the Florida Keys but without AQUATIC. I would not be able to make it to the West Coast this year. I will also take the lead in top level coordination of the event as long as Scott and Steve are willing to help and we can depend upon our local member, Al, to scope out things that we might need a set of eyes to inspect for us. From a technical topic perspective, I will commit to giving a presentation and demonstration of my Submarine Environment Monitor (SEM) project which I expect to have completed by convention time. Jon > > Before even starting down that path, are there any alternative ideas? > I think Jon makes the call, after weighing whatever ideas are out there. > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 10:09:57 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 08:09:57 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?2016_Convention=3F?= Message-ID: <20160108080957.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.894fd52f08.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 10:11:56 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:11:56 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <568FCDC1.60903@psubs.org> References: <20160107093459.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e31ee82479.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> <568FCDC1.60903@psubs.org> Message-ID: I'm in almost the same situation as Jon. I can commit to taking Shackleton to Seneca whether dive ready or as a static display. To Florida, possibly if she's dive ready but I would like to do a depth test first before investing in a trip of that length, and I might not have a chance to do the test in time since it requires a trip to Seneca. I am on schedule to have her ready by this summer, but obviously the later in the summer it is, the better my chances. If this happens at Seneca, in my ideal scenario I'd go there a few days early to do the test before the convention. Thanks Jon for volunteering! Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Based upon the chatter, it sounds like Seneca Lake is an attractive > location for a number of people. I think it qualifies as long as there are > conveniences and resources in the form of reasonably priced hotels, > restaurants, and services. July and early August (first two weeks) would > be the best opportunity in terms of season and school commitments for > people that have kids of school or college age. Based upon Al's warning > about race weekend, it looks like available dates would be July 5-10, July > 19-24, July 26-31, Aug 9-14, Aug 16-21. I will put a "stake in the ground" > and suggest July 26-31 because it is mid-summer and offers the largest > buffer between two race dates which should help with securing > reservations. If this doesn't work for most people we can change it. > > I hear the call for the west coast, I would also nominate the Florida Keys > again, but in both of those cases I would expect limited attendance > particularly for submarines because of the travel distance involved. For a > diving convention we should pick the location that will attract the largest > submarine attendance. So we should collate two lists immediately; who will > commit to bringing their submarine (either dive ready or static display), > and who will attend which will help us confirm the site. > > I will commit to attending Seneca with AQUATIC, minimally as a static > display. I will commit to attending the Florida Keys but without AQUATIC. > I would not be able to make it to the West Coast this year. I will also > take the lead in top level coordination of the event as long as Scott and > Steve are willing to help and we can depend upon our local member, Al, to > scope out things that we might need a set of eyes to inspect for us. > > From a technical topic perspective, I will commit to giving a presentation > and demonstration of my Submarine Environment Monitor (SEM) project which > I expect to have completed by convention time. > > Jon > > >> Before even starting down that path, are there any alternative ideas? I >> think Jon makes the call, after weighing whatever ideas are out there. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 10:38:07 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:38:07 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs In-Reply-To: References: <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1020689144.256353.1451865280127.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <001301d14687$7b15ca90$71415fb0$@telus.net> <1760474582.6432616.1451868355034.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <003101d146b1$1c2111a0$546334e0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <568FD7DF.10304@psubs.org> The best way to keep up to date on this information is through www.subdb.info which is a database of known submarines sponsored by PSUBS. Submarines are categorized by type (recreational, research, commercial, etc) and by status (operational, renovation, museum, etc) and you can search the database using various parameters. If you are a PSUBS member you can use your PSUBS username and password to update the status of your own submarine. If your submarine is not in the database, submit for inclusion. Go to www.subdb.info -> Support -> Submit a Submersible There are currently 40 submarines listed as Recreational/Operational, 9 listed as Recreational/Renovation, 14 listed as Recreational/Under-Construction, and 4 listed as Recreational/Design-Phase. I can tell by looking at the list that it is not completely accurate and I need to spend some time updating it, but it would be better if each owner kept their own submarine updated. Additionally, SUBDB.INFO will eventually replace the "Projects" page on the PSUBS website because it offers better opportunity to upload photos and documentation regarding your submarine. It also allows easy web access to your submarine if you want to share it with someone because you can use the link http://www.subdb.info/ For example, http://www.subdb.info/aquatic will bring you directly to my submarine web page. Finally, you can use subdb.info as a repository for important information about your submarine that might be helpful in an emergency. If you get stuck underwater but have documented your submarine well, we can go to your submarine page and look at your operating guide, check off lists, find out what kind of equipment you have on board, details about the design of your sub (for example lifting points) how much it weighs so we can estimate lifting bag requirements, etc, etc, etc. Feel free to investigate AQUATIC in the database and see photos and documentation I have included. From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 14:02:16 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:02:16 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New photos Message-ID: <20160108120216.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.442298dac0.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 14:46:29 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 14:46:29 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New photos In-Reply-To: <20160108120216.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.442298dac0.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160108120216.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.442298dac0.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Great photos Scott. I'm still amazed, what a sub! When you get her restored I think you'll find yourself setting a psubs depth record! ~ Douglas S. On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:02 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I posted up the pictures of Pisces VI and my other build KW-350 Rekon in > the member projects area of the psubs site. > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 15:08:06 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:08:06 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs Message-ID: <20160108130806.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9259876676.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 15:12:29 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:12:29 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?Personal=5FSubmersibles_Digest=2C_Vol_3?= =?utf-8?q?1=2C_Issue_23?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56901892.c9218c0a.9730b.11e8@mx.google.com> I'll know in a week or so if my July opens up. Brian Sent from Microsoft Surface From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: ?Friday?, ?January? ?8?, ?2016 ?3?:?07? ?PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to personal_submersibles at psubs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 2016 Convention? (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) 2. Re: 2016 Convention? (via Personal_Submersibles) 3. Re: 2016 Convention? (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) 4. Re: number of subs (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) 5. New photos (via Personal_Submersibles) 6. Re: New photos (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) 7. Re: number of subs (via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:54:57 -0500 From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? Message-ID: <568FCDC1.60903 at psubs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Based upon the chatter, it sounds like Seneca Lake is an attractive location for a number of people. I think it qualifies as long as there are conveniences and resources in the form of reasonably priced hotels, restaurants, and services. July and early August (first two weeks) would be the best opportunity in terms of season and school commitments for people that have kids of school or college age. Based upon Al's warning about race weekend, it looks like available dates would be July 5-10, July 19-24, July 26-31, Aug 9-14, Aug 16-21. I will put a "stake in the ground" and suggest July 26-31 because it is mid-summer and offers the largest buffer between two race dates which should help with securing reservations. If this doesn't work for most people we can change it. I hear the call for the west coast, I would also nominate the Florida Keys again, but in both of those cases I would expect limited attendance particularly for submarines because of the travel distance involved. For a diving convention we should pick the location that will attract the largest submarine attendance. So we should collate two lists immediately; who will commit to bringing their submarine (either dive ready or static display), and who will attend which will help us confirm the site. I will commit to attending Seneca with AQUATIC, minimally as a static display. I will commit to attending the Florida Keys but without AQUATIC. I would not be able to make it to the West Coast this year. I will also take the lead in top level coordination of the event as long as Scott and Steve are willing to help and we can depend upon our local member, Al, to scope out things that we might need a set of eyes to inspect for us. From a technical topic perspective, I will commit to giving a presentation and demonstration of my Submarine Environment Monitor (SEM) project which I expect to have completed by convention time. Jon > > Before even starting down that path, are there any alternative ideas? > I think Jon makes the call, after weighing whatever ideas are out there. > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 08:09:57 -0700 From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? Message-ID: <20160108080957.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.894fd52f08.wbe at email13.secureserver.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:11:56 -0500 From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm in almost the same situation as Jon. I can commit to taking Shackleton to Seneca whether dive ready or as a static display. To Florida, possibly if she's dive ready but I would like to do a depth test first before investing in a trip of that length, and I might not have a chance to do the test in time since it requires a trip to Seneca. I am on schedule to have her ready by this summer, but obviously the later in the summer it is, the better my chances. If this happens at Seneca, in my ideal scenario I'd go there a few days early to do the test before the convention. Thanks Jon for volunteering! Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Based upon the chatter, it sounds like Seneca Lake is an attractive > location for a number of people. I think it qualifies as long as there are > conveniences and resources in the form of reasonably priced hotels, > restaurants, and services. July and early August (first two weeks) would > be the best opportunity in terms of season and school commitments for > people that have kids of school or college age. Based upon Al's warning > about race weekend, it looks like available dates would be July 5-10, July > 19-24, July 26-31, Aug 9-14, Aug 16-21. I will put a "stake in the ground" > and suggest July 26-31 because it is mid-summer and offers the largest > buffer between two race dates which should help with securing > reservations. If this doesn't work for most people we can change it. > > I hear the call for the west coast, I would also nominate the Florida Keys > again, but in both of those cases I would expect limited attendance > particularly for submarines because of the travel distance involved. For a > diving convention we should pick the location that will attract the largest > submarine attendance. So we should collate two lists immediately; who will > commit to bringing their submarine (either dive ready or static display), > and who will attend which will help us confirm the site. > > I will commit to attending Seneca with AQUATIC, minimally as a static > display. I will commit to attending the Florida Keys but without AQUATIC. > I would not be able to make it to the West Coast this year. I will also > take the lead in top level coordination of the event as long as Scott and > Steve are willing to help and we can depend upon our local member, Al, to > scope out things that we might need a set of eyes to inspect for us. > > From a technical topic perspective, I will commit to giving a presentation > and demonstration of my Submarine Environment Monitor (SEM) project which > I expect to have completed by convention time. > > Jon > > >> Before even starting down that path, are there any alternative ideas? I >> think Jon makes the call, after weighing whatever ideas are out there. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:38:07 -0500 From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs Message-ID: <568FD7DF.10304 at psubs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed The best way to keep up to date on this information is through www.subdb.info which is a database of known submarines sponsored by PSUBS. Submarines are categorized by type (recreational, research, commercial, etc) and by status (operational, renovation, museum, etc) and you can search the database using various parameters. If you are a PSUBS member you can use your PSUBS username and password to update the status of your own submarine. If your submarine is not in the database, submit for inclusion. Go to www.subdb.info -> Support -> Submit a Submersible There are currently 40 submarines listed as Recreational/Operational, 9 listed as Recreational/Renovation, 14 listed as Recreational/Under-Construction, and 4 listed as Recreational/Design-Phase. I can tell by looking at the list that it is not completely accurate and I need to spend some time updating it, but it would be better if each owner kept their own submarine updated. Additionally, SUBDB.INFO will eventually replace the "Projects" page on the PSUBS website because it offers better opportunity to upload photos and documentation regarding your submarine. It also allows easy web access to your submarine if you want to share it with someone because you can use the link http://www.subdb.info/ For example, http://www.subdb.info/aquatic will bring you directly to my submarine web page. Finally, you can use subdb.info as a repository for important information about your submarine that might be helpful in an emergency. If you get stuck underwater but have documented your submarine well, we can go to your submarine page and look at your operating guide, check off lists, find out what kind of equipment you have on board, details about the design of your sub (for example lifting points) how much it weighs so we can estimate lifting bag requirements, etc, etc, etc. Feel free to investigate AQUATIC in the database and see photos and documentation I have included. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:02:16 -0700 From: via Personal_Submersibles To: "psubs" Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New photos Message-ID: <20160108120216.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.442298dac0.wbe at email13.secureserver.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 15:22:18 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: <20160108073349.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9cd663c13e.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160108073349.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9cd663c13e.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <408250837.2421390.1452284538436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Wow, quite a bit of history.I noted that there was a memorial video that came up for Dr Eugene Clark, who passed awayin 2015.?Perhaps this would be a good project for an organization like the "Discovery Channel" to?document over the next few years.Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Pisces VI?was purchased from HYCO?in 1976. It was in operation by IUC until 1989 when it was on its way back from?Singapore to New York when the aft buoyancy sphere was unhooked at?sea for some reason and rolled off the deck?and lost in the ocean.?It had been store in the IUC warehouse till about 3 years ago when it was transported to?IUC's?production building in Green Bay, WI where it?has been ever since. I have been searching for a deep diving hull for 4 years now and after a long search all over the world (including?negotiating with the Russians which is very hard to do) I?negotiated the purchase of Pisces VI from IUC. Pisces VI was a major part of the William Bebee expedition in the 1980's which Dr. Eugine Clark did her observation from of the 6 gilled sharks and countless other animals. It has a rich history. Here is a National Geographic video involving Pisces VI.?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0i87GL3hhM?Thank you,Scott Waters??? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Date: Fri, January 08, 2016 12:59 am To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Congratulations,you must have bet Hank to it.Any details? Where did it come from?Alan From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine I will put up a new page for everyone to follow. It will be a little bit before we can do rides at the next psub conference. Haha. Deffenetly a weird thing having a deep diving submarine in Kansas. HahaThanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/07/2016 5:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? ?Hank On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that?made countless discoveries?an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have?put together a team of experts to?do the rebuild.?In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high.?I am hopping the?rebuild can be done in 3-4 years.?Here we go psubbers!???? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 16:32:28 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 16:32:28 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] number of subs In-Reply-To: <20160108130806.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9259876676.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160108130806.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9259876676.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <56902AEC.9040300@psubs.org> Try again, I have updated the database. Jon On 1/8/2016 3:08 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Jon, > I was trying to go in and edit my information > *Update Trustworthy > *Update recon 1 > My log in says there is no submarines assigned to me > Thank you, > Scott Waters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 17:08:12 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 17:08:12 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: <20160108073349.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9cd663c13e.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160108073349.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.9cd663c13e.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Just watched it... what a treat! Fantastic stuff, I can't wait to follow the progress of this project and if I can be of any assistance whatsoever, count me in. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:33 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Pisces VI was purchased from HYCO in 1976. It was in operation by IUC > until 1989 when it was on its way back from Singapore to New York when the > aft buoyancy sphere was unhooked at sea for some reason and rolled off the > deck and lost in the ocean. It had been store in the IUC warehouse till > about 3 years ago when it was transported to IUC's production building in > Green Bay, WI where it has been ever since. I have been searching for a > deep diving hull for 4 years now and after a long search all over the world > (including negotiating with the Russians which is very hard to do) > I negotiated the purchase of Pisces VI from IUC. Pisces VI was a major part > of the William Bebee expedition in the 1980's which Dr. Eugine Clark did > her observation from of the 6 gilled sharks and countless other animals. It > has a rich history. Here is a National Geographic video involving Pisces VI. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0i87GL3hhM > > Thank you, > Scott Waters > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Fri, January 08, 2016 12:59 am > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Congratulations, > you must have bet Hank to it. > Any details? Where did it come from? > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2016 1:26 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine > > I will put up a new page for everyone to follow. It will be a little bit > before we can do rides at the next psub conference. Haha. Deffenetly a > weird thing having a deep diving submarine in Kansas. Haha > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: 01/07/2016 5:42 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine > > Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? > Hank > > > On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle > Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that made > countless discoveries an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am > in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have put > together a team of experts to do the rebuild. In her current state she > weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high. I am > hopping the rebuild can be done in 3-4 years. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 8 18:30:44 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:30:44 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56904627.0957620a.10a3c.ffffff07@mx.google.com> Congratulations Scott, That is amazing. That will keep you up at night, no doubt. Good luck on your mission. Regards, Hugh Fulton From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 8 January 2016 2:42 p.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine In April Katy (my wife for those of you that haven't met her) and I went down with Karl Stanley to 2,250 feet. On the way up, Katy looked at me and said "you gotta build something like this". That was all I needed. I have been searching for 4 years for a deep diver and it finally worked out! No the long journey of restoring her. Thank you, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/07/2016 7:31 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Way to go, Scott! This is really incredible!! But fess up Scott, is the Pisces really her submarine? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:26 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine I will put up a new page for everyone to follow. It will be a little bit before we can do rides at the next psub conference. Haha. Deffenetly a weird thing having a deep diving submarine in Kansas. Haha Thanks, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/07/2016 5:42 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Submarine Well done Scott, are you taking bookings yet for a ride? Hank On Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:35 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Santa's sleigh this year was a semi truck bringing me the deep sea vehicle Pisces VI which is a 8,300 foot deep diving research submarine that made countless discoveries an changed the way we look at our oceans today. I am in the process of building a new state of the art shop and have put together a team of experts to do the rebuild. In her current state she weighs 26,000lbs, is 21 feet long, 8.5 feet wide, and 12 feet high. I am hopping the rebuild can be done in 3-4 years. 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It was > prosessionally build in the Netherlands and was used in the gulf of Mexico. > Real nice base vor a restauration or rebuild to Psub. > > > > Best regards, Emile > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 9 15:14:41 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:14:41 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another New Submarine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1522806d116-4100-7436@webprd-m02.mail.aol.com> Emile, This looks familiar. What was it called? If it's what I think, then one of my pals (we both started offshore together at Taylor Diving with PC-9) operated it for the owners that season it was in the Gulf. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2016 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another New Submarine Not as impressive asScott his sub but there is another new sub in the group . I purshased a nonoperational 1000 Feet submersible. It was prosessionally build in theNetherlands and was used in the gulf of Mexico. Real nice base vor arestauration or rebuild to Psub. Best regards, Emile _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it's what I think, then one of my pals (we both started offshore together at Taylor Diving with PC-9) ?operated it for the owners?that season it was in the Gulf.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2016 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another New Submarine #yiv8050760563 #yiv8050760563AOLMsgPart_1.yiv80507605632_e2f07249-a0a0-4c8c-bfc9-03802620fd93 td{color:black;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody a:link {}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody span.yiv8050760563MSOHYPERLINK {}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody a:visited {}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody span.yiv8050760563MSOHYPERLINKFOLLOWED {}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody p.yiv8050760563MSOACETATE {}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody li.yiv8050760563MSOACETATE {}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody div.yiv8050760563MSOACETATE {}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody span.yiv8050760563BALLOONTEXTCHAR {} _filtered #yiv8050760563 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8050760563 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8050760563 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody p.yiv8050760563MsoNormal, #yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody li.yiv8050760563MsoNormal, #yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody div.yiv8050760563MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody a:link, #yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody span.yiv8050760563MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody a:visited, #yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody span.yiv8050760563MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody p.yiv8050760563MsoAcetate, #yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody li.yiv8050760563MsoAcetate, #yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody div.yiv8050760563MsoAcetate {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody span.yiv8050760563BalloonTextChar {font-family:Tahoma;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody span.yiv8050760563E-mailStijl19 {font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody p.yiv8050760563BalloonText, #yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody li.yiv8050760563BalloonText, #yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody div.yiv8050760563BalloonText {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody span.yiv8050760563E-mailStijl21 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered #yiv8050760563 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8050760563 .yiv8050760563aolReplacedBody div.yiv8050760563Section1 {}Not as impressive asScott his sub but there is another new sub in the group . 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 10 19:05:08 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 00:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing In-Reply-To: <214904895.3008115.1452463903921.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <214904895.3008115.1452463903921.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <334139371.2387070.1452470708770.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Alan,Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. ?I have lowered the hatch onto the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. ?I am alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the hatch on the land by myself ?to?determine if the fit is correct from inside. ?How can I?determine if the two?angles are fitting perfect? ?without being inside. ?I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain thickness for a given gap. ?Maybe there is a better idea out there.I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room to adjust the angle if need be.HELPHank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the update Hank,it's moving along quickly.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing New videoHank On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 10 19:39:35 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:39:35 +1100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing In-Reply-To: <334139371.2387070.1452470708770.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <214904895.3008115.1452463903921.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <334139371.2387070.1452470708770.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Hank, If you look up "Engineer's Blue" I reckon you'll be able to figure out something similar. Basically you put a thin layer of colored non-drying pigment on one piece, put them together and wherever it doesn't transfer indicates a gap. Did I mention your flange facing machine is awesome?! Cheers, Steve On 11/01/2016 11:08 AM, "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Alan, > Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. I have lowered the hatch onto > the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. I am > alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the > hatch on the land by myself to determine if the fit is correct from > inside. How can I determine if the two angles are fitting perfect? > without being inside. I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine > rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain > thickness for a given gap. > Maybe there is a better idea out there. > I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room > to adjust the angle if need be. > HELP > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks for the update Hank, > it's moving along quickly. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing > > New video > Hank > > On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 10 19:44:51 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 00:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing In-Reply-To: <334139371.2387070.1452470708770.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <334139371.2387070.1452470708770.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <745337848.2393613.1452473091722.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Okay, No problem, I told my wife what I was up against and she insisted she could manage it. ?I gave her a lesson in chain come ?along operations and we did a dry run, including tapping the hatch level. ?I hopped in feeler gauges in my teeth and flashlight in hand, She did a perfect job, rolled the gantry in place lowered and leveld the hatch in place. ?My angle is off by .004 in , that is not bad for a rookie with limited tooling! ?tomorrow I will take it down some more with the angle corrected and when my bride returns from work I will test fit again before the final sizing. I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there are some good stories,,,,Brian....Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan,Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. ?I have lowered the hatch onto the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. ?I am alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the hatch on the land by myself ?to?determine if the fit is correct from inside. ?How can I?determine if the two?angles are fitting perfect? ?without being inside. ?I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain thickness for a given gap. ?Maybe there is a better idea out there.I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room to adjust the angle if need be.HELPHank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the update Hank,it's moving along quickly.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing New videoHank On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 10 19:48:46 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 00:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing In-Reply-To: <745337848.2393613.1452473091722.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <745337848.2393613.1452473091722.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1678084162.768816.1452473326654.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Steve, seems the?ugliest inventions work the best ;-) ? ?I should get some?blue indicator just to have it on hand, good idea.Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, No problem, I told my wife what I was up against and she insisted she could manage it. ?I gave her a lesson in chain come ?along operations and we did a dry run, including tapping the hatch level. ?I hopped in feeler gauges in my teeth and flashlight in hand, She did a perfect job, rolled the gantry in place lowered and leveld the hatch in place. ?My angle is off by .004 in , that is not bad for a rookie with limited tooling! ?tomorrow I will take it down some more with the angle corrected and when my bride returns from work I will test fit again before the final sizing. I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there are some good stories,,,,Brian....Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan,Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. ?I have lowered the hatch onto the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. ?I am alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the hatch on the land by myself ?to?determine if the fit is correct from inside. ?How can I?determine if the two?angles are fitting perfect? ?without being inside. ?I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain thickness for a given gap. ?Maybe there is a better idea out there.I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room to adjust the angle if need be.HELPHank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the update Hank,it's moving along quickly.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing New videoHank On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 10 19:55:13 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:55:13 +1100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing In-Reply-To: <1678084162.768816.1452473326654.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <745337848.2393613.1452473091722.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1678084162.768816.1452473326654.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No worries, you might be able to use something else, like graphite from a pencil. Sounds like you got it pretty good regardless! On 11/01/2016 11:49 AM, "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thank you Steve, seems the ugliest inventions work the best ;-) I > should get some blue indicator just to have it on hand, good idea. > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Okay, No problem, I told my wife what I was up against and she insisted > she could manage it. I gave her a lesson in chain come along operations > and we did a dry run, including tapping the hatch level. I hopped in > feeler gauges in my teeth and flashlight in hand, She did a perfect job, > rolled the gantry in place lowered and leveld the hatch in place. My angle > is off by .004 in , that is not bad for a rookie with limited tooling! > tomorrow I will take it down some more with the angle corrected and when > my bride returns from work I will test fit again before the final sizing. > > I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there > are some good stories,,,,Brian.... > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks Alan, > Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. I have lowered the hatch onto > the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. I am > alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the > hatch on the land by myself to determine if the fit is correct from > inside. How can I determine if the two angles are fitting perfect? > without being inside. I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine > rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain > thickness for a given gap. > Maybe there is a better idea out there. > I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room > to adjust the angle if need be. > HELP > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks for the update Hank, > it's moving along quickly. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing > > New video > Hank > > On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 10 20:13:01 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 01:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing In-Reply-To: <1678084162.768816.1452473326654.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <745337848.2393613.1452473091722.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1678084162.768816.1452473326654.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <307710917.3086373.1452474781800.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Glad you got your wife on board Hank.I was thinking of how tapers are used to hold tooling in & wondered If you got inside & the hatch jammed would you have air? Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing Thank you Steve, seems the?ugliest inventions work the best ;-) ? ?I should get some?blue indicator just to have it on hand, good idea.Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, No problem, I told my wife what I was up against and she insisted she could manage it. ?I gave her a lesson in chain come ?along operations and we did a dry run, including tapping the hatch level. ?I hopped in feeler gauges in my teeth and flashlight in hand, She did a perfect job, rolled the gantry in place lowered and leveld the hatch in place. ?My angle is off by .004 in , that is not bad for a rookie with limited tooling! ?tomorrow I will take it down some more with the angle corrected and when my bride returns from work I will test fit again before the final sizing. I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there are some good stories,,,,Brian....Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan,Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. ?I have lowered the hatch onto the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. ?I am alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the hatch on the land by myself ?to?determine if the fit is correct from inside. ?How can I?determine if the two?angles are fitting perfect? ?without being inside. ?I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain thickness for a given gap. ?Maybe there is a better idea out there.I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room to adjust the angle if need be.HELPHank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the update Hank,it's moving along quickly.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing New videoHank On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 10 20:56:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 01:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing In-Reply-To: <307710917.3086373.1452474781800.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <307710917.3086373.1452474781800.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <457860536.2395606.1452477369581.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,Yes I have air because the port is not in yet, the hatch pops up super easy because it is a steeper angle than tooling.Speaking of that, I am machining the ports next, I will practice on the small ports first because I have extras.Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:13 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Glad you got your wife on board Hank.I was thinking of how tapers are used to hold tooling in & wondered If you got inside & the hatch jammed would you have air? Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing Thank you Steve, seems the?ugliest inventions work the best ;-) ? ?I should get some?blue indicator just to have it on hand, good idea.Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, No problem, I told my wife what I was up against and she insisted she could manage it. ?I gave her a lesson in chain come ?along operations and we did a dry run, including tapping the hatch level. ?I hopped in feeler gauges in my teeth and flashlight in hand, She did a perfect job, rolled the gantry in place lowered and leveld the hatch in place. ?My angle is off by .004 in , that is not bad for a rookie with limited tooling! ?tomorrow I will take it down some more with the angle corrected and when my bride returns from work I will test fit again before the final sizing. I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there are some good stories,,,,Brian....Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan,Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. ?I have lowered the hatch onto the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. ?I am alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the hatch on the land by myself ?to?determine if the fit is correct from inside. ?How can I?determine if the two?angles are fitting perfect? ?without being inside. ?I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain thickness for a given gap. ?Maybe there is a better idea out there.I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room to adjust the angle if need be.HELPHank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the update Hank,it's moving along quickly.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing New videoHank On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 06:18:53 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:18:53 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing In-Reply-To: <457860536.2395606.1452477369581.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <307710917.3086373.1452474781800.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <457860536.2395606.1452477369581.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there are some good stories,,,,Brian.... I got Anita to help paint the inside of my sub with epoxy paint. She wasn't very happy with the limited dust suit, mask and gloves I provided but I just said "oh you'll be ok" and shoved her inside, brush in hand. She got paint in her hair which was impossible to get out and eventually had to have her hair cut short. Ive just about recovered from the ear bashing now and I had to take her on holiday in compensation...... :) Regards James On 11 January 2016 at 01:56, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alan, > Yes I have air because the port is not in yet, the hatch pops up super > easy because it is a steeper angle than tooling. > Speaking of that, I am machining the ports next, I will practice on the > small ports first because I have extras. > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:13 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Glad you got your wife on board Hank. > I was thinking of how tapers are used to hold tooling in & wondered > If you got inside & the hatch jammed would you have air? > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 1:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing > > Thank you Steve, seems the ugliest inventions work the best ;-) I > should get some blue indicator just to have it on hand, good idea. > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Okay, No problem, I told my wife what I was up against and she insisted > she could manage it. I gave her a lesson in chain come along operations > and we did a dry run, including tapping the hatch level. I hopped in > feeler gauges in my teeth and flashlight in hand, She did a perfect job, > rolled the gantry in place lowered and leveld the hatch in place. My angle > is off by .004 in , that is not bad for a rookie with limited tooling! > tomorrow I will take it down some more with the angle corrected and when > my bride returns from work I will test fit again before the final sizing. > > I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there > are some good stories,,,,Brian.... > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks Alan, > Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. I have lowered the hatch onto > the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. I am > alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the > hatch on the land by myself to determine if the fit is correct from > inside. How can I determine if the two angles are fitting perfect? > without being inside. I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine > rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain > thickness for a given gap. > Maybe there is a better idea out there. > I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room > to adjust the angle if need be. > HELP > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks for the update Hank, > it's moving along quickly. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing > > New video > Hank > > On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With lapping, the contact areas will be very visible in the surface finish. The existing surfaces have to be close for this. I like your facing rig. It is very much like portable align boring equipment I have used. I'm sorry, I haven't been following along more closely. Is there anything other than the taper to index the location of the mating halves, such as a counterbore? Beautiful work! Cheers, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:28:10 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing Hank, I had two recommendations. One is articulating paper (like what you use at the dentist to check contacts of teeth). It is inexpensive and transfers where ever there is a contact. The other idea is engineers marking blue. It is a paste that you paint on ever so thinly and it transfers wherever there is contact. It is also fairly inexpensive. Thank you, Scott Waters -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Date: Sun, January 10, 2016 5:05 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Thanks Alan, Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. I have lowered the hatch onto the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. I am alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the hatch on the land by myself to determine if the fit is correct from inside. How can I determine if the two angles are fitting perfect? without being inside. I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain thickness for a given gap. Maybe there is a better idea out there. I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room to adjust the angle if need be. HELP Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Thanks for the update Hank, it's moving along quickly. Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing New video Hank On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx < mp13 at live.ca > wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See link below for bathymetry of both lakes. http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/BookletChart/14791_BookletChart.pdf From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 12:15:07 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BFAl_Secor?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? References: <1993746881.2691405.1452532507518.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1993746881.2691405.1452532507518.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I keep my big boat on Cayuga during the summer. It tends to have more boat traffic than Seneca, especially sailboats. Not as much to see underwater in regards to shipwrecks and the south end is pretty shallow until you get a ways out. On the other hand, you have more marinas, the town of Ithaca at the south end and the facilities of Cornell University. The marina I use is Allan Treman which is a state park at the south end. They have very nice boat ramps but not sure how suitable for sub launching since I've never launched one from there. Al Secor -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/11/16, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Monday, January 11, 2016, 12:06 PM Anyone know if Cayuga Lake is a good alternative if the Watkins Glen area is too busy in the summer?? It's almost as deep as Seneca.? See link below for bathymetry of both lakes. http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/BookletChart/14791_BookletChart.pdf _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 12:33:26 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 12:33:26 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2016 Convention? In-Reply-To: <5693E12E.4070400@psubs.org> References: <20160107093459.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e31ee82479.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> <568FCDC1.60903@psubs.org> <5693E12E.4070400@psubs.org> Message-ID: Those two lakes certainly look like twins, and you can really visualize the glaciers carving them out when you look at a map. However, I have not been to Cayuga. If its not a race weekend, I would think we'd be all right with hotels at Watkins Glenn. Or are you concerned about boat traffic? My concern about Cayuga would be whether we'd have the surface support, but if you like I can ask our friends at Seneca - the two lakes are pretty close. Thanks, Alec On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Anyone know if Cayuga Lake is a good alternative if the Watkins Glen area > is too busy in the summer? It's almost as deep as Seneca. See link below > for bathymetry of both lakes. > > http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/BookletChart/14791_BookletChart.pdf > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If its not a race weekend, I would > think we'd be all right with hotels at Watkins Glenn. Or are you > concerned about boat traffic? My concern about Cayuga would be whether > we'd have the surface support, but if you like I can ask our friends > at Seneca - the two lakes are pretty close. > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 13:56:50 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:56:50 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?2016_Convention=3F?= Message-ID: <20160111115650.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.3b36edfe2c.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 14:20:49 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing In-Reply-To: References: <307710917.3086373.1452474781800.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <457860536.2395606.1452477369581.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1418443962.3603043.1452540049407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> James,that's woman's logic for you. She should have thought to put somesought of head covering on. But no, it's all your fault!.Alan From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing >I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there are some good stories,,,,Brian....?I got Anita to help paint the inside of my sub with epoxy paint.?? She wasn't very happy with the limited dust suit, mask and gloves I provided but I just said "oh you'll be ok" and shoved her inside, brush in hand.?? She got paint in her hair which was impossible to get out and eventually had to have her hair cut short.?? Ive just about recovered from the ear bashing now and I had to take her on holiday in compensation...... :)?RegardsJames?? On 11 January 2016 at 01:56, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Yes I have air because the port is not in yet, the hatch pops up super easy because it is a steeper angle than tooling.Speaking of that, I am machining the ports next, I will practice on the small ports first because I have extras.Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:13 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Glad you got your wife on board Hank.I was thinking of how tapers are used to hold tooling in & wondered If you got inside & the hatch jammed would you have air? Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing Thank you Steve, seems the?ugliest inventions work the best ;-) ? ?I should get some?blue indicator just to have it on hand, good idea.Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, No problem, I told my wife what I was up against and she insisted she could manage it.? I gave her a lesson in chain come ?along operations and we did a dry run, including tapping the hatch level.? I hopped in feeler gauges in my teeth and flashlight in hand, She did a perfect job, rolled the gantry in place lowered and leveld the hatch in place.? My angle is off by .004 in , that is not bad for a rookie with limited tooling! ?tomorrow I will take it down some more with the angle corrected and when my bride returns from work I will test fit again before the final sizing. I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there are some good stories,,,,Brian....Hank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Alan,Hey guys I have a tricky situation here.? I have lowered the hatch onto the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell.? I am alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the hatch on the land by myself ?to?determine if the fit is correct from inside.? How can I?determine if the two?angles are fitting perfect? ?without being inside.? I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain thickness for a given gap. ?Maybe there is a better idea out there.I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room to adjust the angle if need be.HELPHank On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the update Hank,it's moving along quickly.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing New videoHank On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maryland Brian Sent from Microsoft Surface From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: ?Monday?, ?January? ?11?, ?2016 ?9?:?27? ?AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to personal_submersibles at psubs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fw: flang facing (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) 2. Re: Fw: flang facing (via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:18:53 +0000 From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there are some good stories,,,,Brian.... I got Anita to help paint the inside of my sub with epoxy paint. She wasn't very happy with the limited dust suit, mask and gloves I provided but I just said "oh you'll be ok" and shoved her inside, brush in hand. She got paint in her hair which was impossible to get out and eventually had to have her hair cut short. Ive just about recovered from the ear bashing now and I had to take her on holiday in compensation...... :) Regards James On 11 January 2016 at 01:56, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alan, > Yes I have air because the port is not in yet, the hatch pops up super > easy because it is a steeper angle than tooling. > Speaking of that, I am machining the ports next, I will practice on the > small ports first because I have extras. > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:13 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Glad you got your wife on board Hank. > I was thinking of how tapers are used to hold tooling in & wondered > If you got inside & the hatch jammed would you have air? > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 1:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing > > Thank you Steve, seems the ugliest inventions work the best ;-) I > should get some blue indicator just to have it on hand, good idea. > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Okay, No problem, I told my wife what I was up against and she insisted > she could manage it. I gave her a lesson in chain come along operations > and we did a dry run, including tapping the hatch level. I hopped in > feeler gauges in my teeth and flashlight in hand, She did a perfect job, > rolled the gantry in place lowered and leveld the hatch in place. My angle > is off by .004 in , that is not bad for a rookie with limited tooling! > tomorrow I will take it down some more with the angle corrected and when > my bride returns from work I will test fit again before the final sizing. > > I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there > are some good stories,,,,Brian.... > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks Alan, > Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. I have lowered the hatch onto > the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. I am > alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the > hatch on the land by myself to determine if the fit is correct from > inside. How can I determine if the two angles are fitting perfect? > without being inside. I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine > rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain > thickness for a given gap. > Maybe there is a better idea out there. > I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room > to adjust the angle if need be. > HELP > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks for the update Hank, > it's moving along quickly. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing > > New video > Hank > > On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 16:11:52 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Emile van Essen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:11:52 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Charger - internal or external? In-Reply-To: <56940df8.ce16370a.7182e.2d19@mx.google.com> References: <56940df8.ce16370a.7182e.2d19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have mine internal on a wall. Perfect if you can miss the space. Emile _____ Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: maandag 11 januari 2016 21:11 Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Charger - internal or external? Delta-Q makes a nice, compact waterproof charger. Anyone mount their chargers internally? Thinking ? Maryland Brian Sent from Microsoft Surface From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: ?Monday?, ?January? ?11?, ?2016 ?9?:?27? ?AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to personal_submersibles at psubs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fw: flang facing (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) 2. Re: Fw: flang facing (via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:18:53 +0000 From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there are some good stories,,,,Brian.... I got Anita to help paint the inside of my sub with epoxy paint. She wasn't very happy with the limited dust suit, mask and gloves I provided but I just said "oh you'll be ok" and shoved her inside, brush in hand. She got paint in her hair which was impossible to get out and eventually had to have her hair cut short. Ive just about recovered from the ear bashing now and I had to take her on holiday in compensation...... :) Regards James On 11 January 2016 at 01:56, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alan, > Yes I have air because the port is not in yet, the hatch pops up super > easy because it is a steeper angle than tooling. > Speaking of that, I am machining the ports next, I will practice on the > small ports first because I have extras. > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:13 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Glad you got your wife on board Hank. > I was thinking of how tapers are used to hold tooling in & wondered > If you got inside & the hatch jammed would you have air? > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 1:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing > > Thank you Steve, seems the ugliest inventions work the best ;-) I > should get some blue indicator just to have it on hand, good idea. > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:45 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Okay, No problem, I told my wife what I was up against and she insisted > she could manage it. I gave her a lesson in chain come along operations > and we did a dry run, including tapping the hatch level. I hopped in > feeler gauges in my teeth and flashlight in hand, She did a perfect job, > rolled the gantry in place lowered and leveld the hatch in place. My angle > is off by .004 in , that is not bad for a rookie with limited tooling! > tomorrow I will take it down some more with the angle corrected and when > my bride returns from work I will test fit again before the final sizing. > > I am sure all sub builders have had there wife help out, I am sure there > are some good stories,,,,Brian.... > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 5:05 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks Alan, > Hey guys I have a tricky situation here. I have lowered the hatch onto > the conical seat and it fits nice or at least as far as I can tell. I am > alone in this mission so I can not get inside the sphere and place the > hatch on the land by myself to determine if the fit is correct from > inside. How can I determine if the two angles are fitting perfect? > without being inside. I was thinking about plasti gauge for engine > rebuilding, it is a little plastic wire that squeezes to a certain > thickness for a given gap. > Maybe there is a better idea out there. > I still have to take the hatch OD down about .050 in so I have wiggle room > to adjust the angle if need be. > HELP > Hank > > > On Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:11 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks for the update Hank, > it's moving along quickly. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:22 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: flang facing > > New video > Hank > > On Saturday, January 9, 2016 3:21 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eweppPfzZrw > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 16:50:06 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:50:06 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?Charger_-_internal_or_external=3F?= Message-ID: <5694260c.c5a38c0a.15584.0b0e@mx.google.com> Thanks. I like the idea of just having to run a cord through the hatch. If they fit, I'll end up with two - 36v and 12V. Now ? since there are two banks of each, need to figure out best way to link to charge. Switch to send power to both banks (obviously to different chargers) to charge that's turned off when running port and starboard banks separately? Or does it matter if the charger is unplugged and off when batteries in use? Near as I can tell Harold charged one bank at a time, be it 12 or 36. Does the question make sense? Harold put ten batteries in his K350 - two separate banks in series for 36 and two banks of parallel for 12v. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 19:01:59 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up References: <1893548554.2924482.1452556919679.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1893548554.2924482.1452556919679.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Tom,Not sure what you mean about indexing. ?My original plan was to use the centre bore for the hatch release as a guide to rotate the hatch over the land with lapping compound. ?The problem with that idea is, the hatch has to make a few trips back to lathe and getting it back to the exact location is pretty tough. ?Then the centre is off a few thousandths. ?I am struggling with the final .003 ?I can't seem to get it closer. ?I think my lathe might be lacking the accuracy. ?I know,,,blame the tools ;-) ?I need to sleep on it, I have the blueing on the way. ?If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 19:41:54 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Private via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:41:54 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up In-Reply-To: <1893548554.2924482.1452556919679.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1893548554.2924482.1452556919679.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1893548554.2924482.1452556919679.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, if you're down to 0.003 isn't it just a matter of putting lapping compound between the hatch and land, and rotating the hatch a bunch of times? I know it's heavy, but maybe with a big lever you can walk around like an 18th century seaman turning a capstan. Best, Alec > On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:01 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Tom, > Not sure what you mean about indexing. My original plan was to use the centre bore for the hatch release as a guide to rotate the hatch over the land with lapping compound. The problem with that idea is, the hatch has to make a few trips back to lathe and getting it back to the exact location is pretty tough. Then the centre is off a few thousandths. I am struggling with the final .003 I can't seem to get it closer. I think my lathe might be lacking the accuracy. I know,,,blame the tools ;-) > I need to sleep on it, I have the blueing on the way. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 19:57:55 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <941762003.2861753.1452560275271.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Alec,I think you are right, I am thinking to manually sand down the bottom of the land with wet paper to get it closer then lap in.I already wet sanded the hatch while it spun in the lathe and it is like chrome, it is surprising how close you can get with patience.I did do a test run with lapping compound and it turns okay with a bar, now I need an old donkey to pull it ?around all day. ?Hmmm bet I can put a hyd motor on itHank On Monday, January 11, 2016 5:42 PM, Private via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, if you're down to 0.003 isn't it just a matter of putting lapping compound between the hatch and land, and rotating the hatch a bunch of times? I know it's heavy, but maybe with a big lever you can walk around like an 18th century seaman turning a capstan.? Best, Alec On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:01 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Tom,Not sure what you mean about indexing. ?My original plan was to use the centre bore for the hatch release as a guide to rotate the hatch over the land with lapping compound. ?The problem with that idea is, the hatch has to make a few trips back to lathe and getting it back to the exact location is pretty tough. ?Then the centre is off a few thousandths. ?I am struggling with the final .003 ?I can't seem to get it closer. ?I think my lathe might be lacking the accuracy. ?I know,,,blame the tools ;-) ?I need to sleep on it, I have the blueing on the way. ?If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 20:08:50 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Tom J Whent via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:08:50 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up In-Reply-To: References: <1893548554.2924482.1452556919679.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1893548554.2924482.1452556919679.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801d14cd5$cd2ae320$6780a960$@shaw.ca> Indexing was a poor choice of words. Locating would be better ? essentially something to keep both base circles concentric for fitting either for lapping or for mating together in the part?s final configuration. A lot of parts that I might make that have to align well might have a spigot on one half and a mating counterbore on the other. For lapping, I would think some sort of centerline guide would be useful to keep the two halves in the correct position. Lapping might be overkill? After all it?s not a Swiss watch! If your machined fit is good and you are relying on a captive sealing element like an o-ring ? I would hope you are not going deep enough to extrude it through a 3 thou gap!!! :) I?m sorry if I wasn?t paying very close attention ? I?m just lurking on this group and your boring machine really caught my attention. I?m building a non-submersible steel boat (hopefully!) right now and may one day move onto something like this. Tom From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Private via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:42 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up Hank, if you're down to 0.003 isn't it just a matter of putting lapping compound between the hatch and land, and rotating the hatch a bunch of times? I know it's heavy, but maybe with a big lever you can walk around like an 18th century seaman turning a capstan. Best, Alec On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:01 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Tom, Not sure what you mean about indexing. My original plan was to use the centre bore for the hatch release as a guide to rotate the hatch over the land with lapping compound. The problem with that idea is, the hatch has to make a few trips back to lathe and getting it back to the exact location is pretty tough. Then the centre is off a few thousandths. I am struggling with the final .003 I can't seem to get it closer. I think my lathe might be lacking the accuracy. I know,,,blame the tools ;-) I need to sleep on it, I have the blueing on the way. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 20:22:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 01:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up In-Reply-To: <004801d14cd5$cd2ae320$6780a960$@shaw.ca> References: <004801d14cd5$cd2ae320$6780a960$@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1047765749.2925478.1452561729090.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Tom,Very good point, I honestly don't know how accurate it needs to be. ?I do not have a good machined fit, the bottom of the hatch is tight and the top has a .003 gap all the way around. ?When I started it was the other way around gap at the bottom and tight on top. ?I tried three times to match the angles and failed.Hank On Monday, January 11, 2016 6:09 PM, Tom J Whent via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv9009690774 #yiv9009690774 -- _filtered #yiv9009690774 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9009690774 {font-family:Wingdings;panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} _filtered #yiv9009690774 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9009690774 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9009690774 #yiv9009690774 p.yiv9009690774MsoNormal, #yiv9009690774 li.yiv9009690774MsoNormal, #yiv9009690774 div.yiv9009690774MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv9009690774 a:link, #yiv9009690774 span.yiv9009690774MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9009690774 a:visited, #yiv9009690774 span.yiv9009690774MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9009690774 span.yiv9009690774EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv9009690774 .yiv9009690774MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv9009690774 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9009690774 div.yiv9009690774WordSection1 {}#yiv9009690774 Indexing was a poor choice of words. Locating would be better ? essentially something to keep both base circles concentric for fitting ?either for lapping or for mating together in the part?s final configuration. A lot of parts that I might make that have to align well might have a spigot on one half and a mating counterbore on the other. ?For lapping, I would think some sort of centerline guide would be useful to keep the two halves in the correct position. Lapping might be overkill? After all it?s not a Swiss watch! If your machined fit is good and you are relying on a captive sealing element like an o-ring ? I would ?hope you are not going deep enough to extrude it through a 3 thou gap!!! J ?I?m sorry if I wasn?t paying very close attention ? I?m just lurking on this group and your boring machine really caught my attention. I?m building a non-submersible steel boat (hopefully!) right now and may one day move onto something like this. ?Tom ? ? ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Private via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:42 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up ?Hank, if you're down to 0.003 isn't it just a matter of putting lapping compound between the hatch and land, and rotating the hatch a bunch of times? I know it's heavy, but maybe with a big lever you can walk around like an 18th century seaman turning a capstan.? ?Best, ?Alec ? ? On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:01 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Tom,Not sure what you mean about indexing. ?My original plan was to use the centre bore for the hatch release as a guide to rotate the hatch over the land with lapping compound. ?The problem with that idea is, the hatch has to make a few trips back to lathe and getting it back to the exact location is pretty tough. ?Then the centre is off a few thousandths. ?I am struggling with the final .003 ?I can't seem to get it closer. ?I think my lathe might be lacking the accuracy. ?I know,,,blame the tools ;-) ?I need to sleep on it, I have the blueing on the way. ?If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles | | This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com | _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 11 20:28:52 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 18:28:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up Message-ID: I wouldn't call 0.003'' difference a failure on a taper with portable machining equipment ! Sent from my Samsung device -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01-11-2016 8:25 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up Tom,Very good point, I honestly don't know how accurate it needs to be. ?I do not have a good machined fit, the bottom of the hatch is tight and the top has a .003 gap all the way around. ?When I started it was the other way around gap at the bottom and tight on top. ?I tried three times to match the angles and failed.Hank On Monday, January 11, 2016 6:09 PM, Tom J Whent via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv9009690774 #yiv9009690774 -- _filtered #yiv9009690774 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9009690774 {font-family:Wingdings;panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} _filtered #yiv9009690774 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9009690774 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9009690774 #yiv9009690774 p.yiv9009690774MsoNormal, #yiv9009690774 li.yiv9009690774MsoNormal, #yiv9009690774 div.yiv9009690774MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv9009690774 a:link, #yiv9009690774 span.yiv9009690774MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9009690774 a:visited, #yiv9009690774 span.yiv9009690774MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9009690774 span.yiv9009690774EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv9009690774 .yiv9009690774MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv9009690774 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9009690774 div.yiv9009690774WordSection1 {}#yiv9009690774 Indexing was a poor choice of words. Locating would be better ? essentially something to keep both base circles concentric for fitting ?either for lapping or for mating together in the part?s final configuration. A lot of parts that I might make that have to align well might have a spigot on one half and a mating counterbore on the other. ?For lapping, I would think some sort of centerline guide would be useful to keep the two halves in the correct position. Lapping might be overkill? After all it?s not a Swiss watch! If your machined fit is good and you are relying on a captive sealing element like an o-ring ? I would ?hope you are not going deep enough to extrude it through a 3 thou gap!!! J ?I?m sorry if I wasn?t paying very close attention ? I?m just lurking on this group and your boring machine really caught my attention. I?m building a non-submersible steel boat (hopefully!) right now and may one day move onto something like this. ?Tom ? ? ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Private via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:42 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] taper fit up ?Hank, if you're down to 0.003 isn't it just a matter of putting lapping compound between the hatch and land, and rotating the hatch a bunch of times? I know it's heavy, but maybe with a big lever you can walk around like an 18th century seaman turning a capstan.? ?Best, ?Alec ? ? On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:01 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Tom,Not sure what you mean about indexing. ?My original plan was to use the centre bore for the hatch release as a guide to rotate the hatch over the land with lapping compound. ?The problem with that idea is, the hatch has to make a few trips back to lathe and getting it back to the exact location is pretty tough. ?Then the centre is off a few thousandths. ?I am struggling with the final .003 ?I can't seem to get it closer. ?I think my lathe might be lacking the accuracy. ?I know,,,blame the tools ;-) ?I need to sleep on it, I have the blueing on the way. ?If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles | | This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com | _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 12 12:02:17 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] conical fit References: <1809889226.3181486.1452618137608.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1809889226.3181486.1452618137608.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Okay it was me and not my lathe ;-( ? After painstakingly setting the hatch up in the lathe with a dial gauge I found where I went wrong. ?I set the angle with a very high degree of accuracy and re-checked the angle after locking the the slide down. ?I discovered the angle changed significantly from the lock down process. ?That is why I was having trouble. ?The hatch fits as perfect as I can detect now, Whew! ?Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 12 12:34:40 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:34:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] conical fit In-Reply-To: <1809889226.3181486.1452618137608.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1679341864.5849531.1452620080879.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> That is awesome ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 12:02:17 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] conical fit Okay it was me and not my lathe ;-( After painstakingly setting the hatch up in the lathe with a dial gauge I found where I went wrong. I set the angle with a very high degree of accuracy and re-checked the angle after locking the the slide down. I discovered the angle changed significantly from the lock down process. That is why I was having trouble. The hatch fits as perfect as I can detect now, Whew! Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 13 20:09:32 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 01:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lathe References: <1909406088.3817890.1452733772496.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1909406088.3817890.1452733772496.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> When I win the 1.5 billion tonight I am going to buy a bigger lathe, and keep the heat on in my shop at night. ;-)Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 13 21:46:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lathe In-Reply-To: <1909406088.3817890.1452733772496.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1909406088.3817890.1452733772496.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1909406088.3817890.1452733772496.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1933721494.5227893.1452739569613.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Why not just move to Florida?Do they let Canadians have permanent residency.?Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:09 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new lathe When I win the 1.5 billion tonight I am going to buy a bigger lathe, and keep the heat on in my shop at night. ;-)Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 14 11:48:28 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation References: <1177289378.4126959.1452790108815.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1177289378.4126959.1452790108815.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver. ?I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil. ?This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed. ?My deal on CNG ?tanks fell apart. ?The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him. ? I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes. ? I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up. ?I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that. ?I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time. ?This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil.Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air? I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull. ?I will just send small wires for messaging to the relays.Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 14 13:36:19 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:36:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation In-Reply-To: <1177289378.4126959.1452790108815.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <295906827.8381898.1452796579560.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> I think that your lead acid battery weight in water question would be a simple matter, but you likely would have to calculate it individually for each size of cell. I would think the density could vary with the composition of each size. Most battery manufacturers provide a spec sheet for their batteries so it would be simple from the weight and dimensions provided to calculate the density and the specific gravity of the cell. I have no ideas on the relays being in an oil bath. Would that lead to coking on the contacts? ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:48:28 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver. I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil. This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed. My deal on CNG tanks fell apart. The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him. I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes. I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up. I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that. I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time. This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil. Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air? I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull. I will just send small wires for messaging to the relays. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 14 13:47:38 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation In-Reply-To: <295906827.8381898.1452796579560.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <295906827.8381898.1452796579560.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <244728315.4176763.1452797258349.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Tom,I think the relay will be okay, I think I have done it in the past, just can't remember where ;-) ? ?Hank On Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:36 AM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv9361479466 p {margin:0;}I think that your lead acid battery weight in water question would be a simple matter, but you likely would have to calculate it individually for each size of cell. I would think the density could vary with the composition of each size. Most battery manufacturers provide a spec sheet for their batteries so it would be simple from the weight and dimensions provided to calculate the density and the specific gravity of the cell. I have no ideas on the relays being in an oil bath. Would that lead to coking on the contacts? From: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:48:28 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver. ?I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil. ?This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed. ?My deal on CNG ?tanks fell apart. ?The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him. ? I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes. ? I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up. ?I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that. ?I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time. ?This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil.Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air? I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull. ?I will just send small wires for messaging to the relays.Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 14 13:49:06 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation In-Reply-To: <1177289378.4126959.1452790108815.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1177289378.4126959.1452790108815.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1177289378.4126959.1452790108815.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2104734350.5619013.1452797347242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hank,the calculation is easy with the metric system.If your battery is 30x20x20 for example, you multiply those dimensions.This gives 12,ooo which is the cubic centimeter figure. Divide this by1000 to give you how many liters volume it is. So 12 liters. This means youwill displace 12 liters of water which weighs 12 kg.?If your battery weighs 30 kg then subtract the 12 kg from that & ?your batterywill weigh 18 kg in water.Another way would be to fill a container to the top with water (fresh not salt)?then put the battery in. Fill it up again to the top with water, measuring what you?pour in. If you pour in 10 liters of water then that is how much it displaces, whichequals 10 kg that you subtract from your battery weight to get the weight in water.? ?As for oil compensating, there is a section in the manned submersible book.Deep sea power & light make a sea battery.http://www.deepsea.com/products/seabattery/ It is a battery box with cables entering it & has a flexible diaphragm over it.In the diaphragm is a bleeder valve to bleed off gas that mainly accumulates?during charging. You would only need blue globe cable glands or similar for thebattery leads as the pressure is always ambient.In the early days of car batteries, topping the battery up with oil to stop evaporation wastouted, so that isn't a problem.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 5:48 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver. ?I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil. ?This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed. ?My deal on CNG ?tanks fell apart. ?The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him. ? I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes. ? I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up. ?I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that. ?I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time. ?This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil.Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air? I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull. ?I will just send small wires for messaging to the relays.Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 14 13:53:33 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation In-Reply-To: <1177289378.4126959.1452790108815.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1177289378.4126959.1452790108815.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1177289378.4126959.1452790108815.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1817491004.5414206.1452797613592.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hank,my computer is dying so fired that last email off before I lost it.With the relays, depending on the type, you may need to drill themto let oil in to equalize the inside or they may crush. You couldpressure test solid state relays if that is what you are using.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 5:48 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver. ?I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil. ?This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed. ?My deal on CNG ?tanks fell apart. ?The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him. ? I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes. ? I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up. ?I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that. ?I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time. ?This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil.Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air? I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull. ?I will just send small wires for messaging to the relays.Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 15 12:01:01 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:01:01 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation Message-ID: <20160115090101.975AC987@m0087794.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 15 13:49:25 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:49:25 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation In-Reply-To: <20160115090101.975AC987@m0087794.ppops.net> References: <20160115090101.975AC987@m0087794.ppops.net> Message-ID: <571CD34F-033B-4B06-BE5D-A434E61E68F8@yahoo.com> Hi Brian, the AGM batteries need to be kept at an internal pressure of between 1-6 psi to reabsorb gasses. They have little one way valves on each cell & are difficult to compensate. Can go in to detail if you like. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 16/01/2016, at 6:01 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hank, > Using AGM batteries you may have less issues with topping off the cells. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:47:38 +0000 (UTC) > > Tom, > I think the relay will be okay, I think I have done it in the past, just can't remember where ;-) > Hank > > > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:36 AM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I think that your lead acid battery weight in water question would be a simple matter, but you likely would have to calculate it individually for each size of cell. I would think the density could vary with the composition of each size. Most battery manufacturers provide a spec sheet for their batteries so it would be simple from the weight and dimensions provided to calculate the density and the specific gravity of the cell. > > I have no ideas on the relays being in an oil bath. Would that lead to coking on the contacts? > > From: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:48:28 AM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation > > Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver. I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil. This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed. My deal on CNG tanks fell apart. The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him. I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes. > > I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up. I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that. I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time. This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil. > Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air? > > I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull. I will just send small wires for messaging to the relays. > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 15 13:57:26 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:57:26 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation Message-ID: <20160115105726.37A880A1@m0087793.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 15 15:46:38 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:46:38 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation In-Reply-To: <20160115105726.37A880A1@m0087793.ppops.net> References: <20160115105726.37A880A1@m0087793.ppops.net> Message-ID: <5C350012-92F7-476A-98F4-B80463DEF088@yahoo.com> I am not sure Brian, they give off very little gas. Certainly a lot less than wet cel batteries. Mainly the gas is given off during charging & in particular if the charging is not done right. On my AGMs there is a glued on cover plate running across the tops of all the valves to hold them in place. The valves themselves are just a flexible cap. Any overpressure above a couple of psi just forces out the side of the flexible cap. I compensated mine with mineral oil, but used the scented baby oil from the supermarket. The chemicals in the scented mineral oil caused it to off gas more than normal. When I changed to unscented it stopped, but even then it wasn't excessive. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 16/01/2016, at 7:57 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > I wouldn't mind knowing the workings of those AGM's since I will be using them inside my cabin. Should I have a hydrogen monitor? > > Brian Cox > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:49:25 +1300 > > Hi Brian, > the AGM batteries need to be kept at an internal pressure > of between 1-6 psi to reabsorb gasses. They have little one > way valves on each cell & are difficult to compensate. > Can go in to detail if you like. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 16/01/2016, at 6:01 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hank, > Using AGM batteries you may have less issues with topping off the cells. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:47:38 +0000 (UTC) > > Tom, > I think the relay will be okay, I think I have done it in the past, just can't remember where ;-) > Hank > > > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:36 AM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I think that your lead acid battery weight in water question would be a simple matter, but you likely would have to calculate it individually for each size of cell. I would think the density could vary with the composition of each size. Most battery manufacturers provide a spec sheet for their batteries so it would be simple from the weight and dimensions provided to calculate the density and the specific gravity of the cell. > > I have no ideas on the relays being in an oil bath. Would that lead to coking on the contacts? > > From: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:48:28 AM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation > > Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver. I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil. This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed. My deal on CNG tanks fell apart. The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him. I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes. > > I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up. I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that. I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time. This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil. > Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air? > > I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull. I will just send small wires for messaging to the relays. > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 15 16:15:19 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation In-Reply-To: <5C350012-92F7-476A-98F4-B80463DEF088@yahoo.com> References: <5C350012-92F7-476A-98F4-B80463DEF088@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <353295297.4712068.1452892519421.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,For what it is worth, Gamma has 8 internal AGM batteries and I have had no issues. ?I am using lead acid (wet) golf cart batteries in my deep diver because I have them and crude oil is 30 dollars a barrel ;-)Hank On Friday, January 15, 2016 1:47 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I am not sure Brian,they give off very little gas. Certainly a lot less than wet cel batteries.Mainly the gas is given off duringcharging & in particular if the charging is not done right.On my AGMs there is a glued on cover plate running across thetops of all the valves to hold them in place. The valves themselvesare just a flexible cap. Any overpressure above a couple of psi justforces out the side of the flexible cap.?I compensated mine with mineral oil, but used the scented baby oil?from the supermarket. The chemicals in the scented mineral oilcaused it to off gas more than normal. When I changed to unscentedit stopped, but even then it wasn't excessive.Alan Sent from my iPad On 16/01/2016, at 7:57 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,???????????? I wouldn't mind knowing the workings of those AGM's since I will be using them inside my cabin.? Should I have a hydrogen monitor??Brian Cox --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:49:25 +1300 Hi Brian,the AGM batteries need to be kept at an internal pressureof between 1-6 psi to reabsorb gasses. They have little oneway valves on each cell & are difficult to compensate.Can go in to detail if you like.Alan Sent from my iPad On 16/01/2016, at 6:01 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,???????????????? Using AGM batteries you may have less issues with topping off the cells.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Tom,I think the relay will be okay, I think I have done it in the past, just can't remember where ;-) ? ?Hank On Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:36 AM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I think that your lead acid battery weight in water question would be a simple matter, but you likely would have to calculate it individually for each size of cell. I would think the density could vary with the composition of each size. Most battery manufacturers provide a spec sheet for their batteries so it would be simple from the weight and dimensions provided to calculate the density and the specific gravity of the cell. I have no ideas on the relays being in an oil bath. Would that lead to coking on the contacts? From: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:48:28 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver. ?I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil. ?This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed. ?My deal on CNG ?tanks fell apart. ?The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him. ? I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes. ? I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up. ?I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that. ?I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time. ?This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil.Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air? I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull. ?I will just send small wires for messaging to the relays.Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Today I was anxious to know how much my new sub weighs now that the hatch > and port frame is all done and working. So I built a weigh scale-it is a > hydraulic cylinder hanging from my gantry chain hoist. One end is hooked > to the hoist and the other end is hooked to the sub. There is a very > accurate gauge threaded into the hydraulic cylinder port with a shut off > valve and a tee with a hydraulic hose going to the other port on the > cylinder. When I lift the sub the cylinder tries to stretch and the gauge > rises. You just take the area of the cylinder bore and subtract the area > of the cylinder rod then multiply the result by the pressure on the gauge. > It is very accurate-I know because I was adding and subtracting weights to > check it. Just leaning on the sub moves the gauge. > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 15 21:50:24 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:50:24 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation In-Reply-To: <20160115182537.FB90FCC8@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20160115182537.FB90FCC8@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <3C365CD5-E4E2-4120-A484-912FD45E1879@yahoo.com> Brian, it wasn't easy. You have to maintain the pressure internally between 1 & 6 psi minimum to reabsorb gasses. I was doing it to go inside an ambient sub. I took the valves off the cells & enclosed the battery. I then put 2 one way 3psi cracking pressure valves in the cover. one valve let air in when pressure in the sub was over 3psi & the other let air out when the sub ascended & the pressure in the battery was more than 3 psi above the pressure in the hull. Thus I always maintained a minimum internal pressure of 3psi. It was filled with mineral oil. I believe deep sea power & lights oil filled sea battery is AGM. The diaphragm that covers it would keep some internal pressure in the battery. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 16/01/2016, at 3:25 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, I thought you indicated that it's not good to compensate the AGM's because they can't vary over 6 psi ? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:46:38 +1300 > > I am not sure Brian, > they give off very little gas. Certainly a lot less than wet cel batteries. > Mainly the gas is given off during > charging & in particular if the charging is not done right. > On my AGMs there is a glued on cover plate running across the > tops of all the valves to hold them in place. The valves themselves > are just a flexible cap. Any overpressure above a couple of psi just > forces out the side of the flexible cap. > I compensated mine with mineral oil, but used the scented baby oil > from the supermarket. The chemicals in the scented mineral oil > caused it to off gas more than normal. When I changed to unscented > it stopped, but even then it wasn't excessive. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 16/01/2016, at 7:57 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > I wouldn't mind knowing the workings of those AGM's since I will be using them inside my cabin. Should I have a hydrogen monitor? > > Brian Cox > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:49:25 +1300 > > Hi Brian, > the AGM batteries need to be kept at an internal pressure > of between 1-6 psi to reabsorb gasses. They have little one > way valves on each cell & are difficult to compensate. > Can go in to detail if you like. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 16/01/2016, at 6:01 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hank, > Using AGM batteries you may have less issues with topping off the cells. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:47:38 +0000 (UTC) > > Tom, > I think the relay will be okay, I think I have done it in the past, just can't remember where ;-) > Hank > > > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:36 AM, TOM WHENT via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I think that your lead acid battery weight in water question would be a simple matter, but you likely would have to calculate it individually for each size of cell. I would think the density could vary with the composition of each size. Most battery manufacturers provide a spec sheet for their batteries so it would be simple from the weight and dimensions provided to calculate the density and the specific gravity of the cell. > > I have no ideas on the relays being in an oil bath. Would that lead to coking on the contacts? > > From: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 11:48:28 AM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] battery compensation > > Thinking ahead, I need to reduce the weight of my deep diver. I am now planning external batteries- lead acid in oil. This reduces the amount of syntactic foam needed. My deal on CNG tanks fell apart. The ebay seller would not honour the sale, can't blame him. I may go with store bought syntactic foam if business looks good with 30 dollar per barrel oil, Yikes. > > I am not sure how to go about the oil filled battery set up. I assume the batteries are filled as high as possible with water then topped up with oil, then the compartment filled with oil and a rubber lid on that. I assume you take a syringe with distilled water to top the batteries up from time to time. This way you wouldn't have to drain the oil. > Does anyone know how heavy a battery weighs under water compared to in air? > > I also am thinking about having the reversing relays for the motors in the oil tank to reduce the amount and size of wires penetrating the hull. 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The advantage though is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with Processing Language for building a graphical display. You can feed a camera to it to display on a small touchscreen. I've tried it and it works very well. Jon On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the > hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but > visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when > looking down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have > collectively on using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual > viewports. Has any one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand > and model did you use and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it > worked? What has worked well and what whould do differently > on your next boat? > > I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on > using this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be > interested in anyone's experience on this. > > cliff > > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 12:05:26 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:05:26 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <569A65D6.7050501@psubs.org> References: <569A65D6.7050501@psubs.org> Message-ID: HI Cliff, for Pilot Fish, we ll have the same configuration as on your R300, although the hatch is tilted nearly 10? forward to improve visibility. We are building a camera in the nose pointing downwards in a transparent acrylic casing. and plan to relay it to a portable screen inside the sub. We ll see how it renders... regards Antoine On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > USB HD webcams are pretty cheap and can easily be put into a homebuilt > housing. I am planning on using them with a small 12inch notebook for > video capture. You can use multicam software like ISPY to combine multiple > cameras into one viewing area. The only problem I've found is that I can't > get more than three cameras to work with any computer I've tried. IP > Cameras are another option but are more expensive and larger so require a > bigger footprint on the sub. And of course if the housing fails it will > hurt your pocket book more to purchase another IP cam. The advantage though > is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. > > If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with Processing > Language for building a graphical display. You can feed a camera to it to > display on a small touchscreen. I've tried it and it works very well. > > Jon > > > > On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical >> viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to >> the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor. I am >> interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras >> and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one >> of these cameras? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor >> did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do >> differently on your next boat? >> >> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using >> this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be interested in >> anyone's experience on this. >> >> cliff >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 13:02:54 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:02:54 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports Message-ID: Antoine,How is Pilot Fish comming? I haven't heard for a while?Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/16/2016 11:05 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports HI Cliff,?for Pilot Fish, we ll have the same configuration as on your R300, although the hatch is tilted nearly 10? forward to improve visibility.?We are building a camera in the nose pointing downwards in a transparent acrylic casing.and plan to relay it to a portable screen inside the sub.?We ll see how it renders... regardsAntoine On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: USB HD webcams are pretty cheap and can easily be put into a homebuilt housing.? I am planning on using them with a small 12inch notebook for video capture.? You can use multicam software like ISPY to combine multiple cameras into one viewing area.? The only problem I've found is that I can't get more than three cameras to work with any computer I've tried.? IP Cameras are another option but are more expensive and larger so require a bigger footprint on the sub.? And of course if the housing fails it will hurt your pocket book more to purchase another IP cam. The advantage though is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with Processing Language for building a graphical display.? You can feed a camera to it to display on a small touchscreen.? I've tried it and it works very well. Jon On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor.? I am interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports.? Has any one commissioned one of these cameras?? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor did you use?? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do differently on your next boat? ?I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using this concept rather than a physical viewport.? I would be interested in anyone's experience on this. cliff _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 13:24:51 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:24:51 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott, the sub is coming along... after it got exhibited at the Paris boat show, I got is closer to home to avoid long week end drives and do all the outfitting work. Our one week long dive is planned 6-12 of August, but we still need to finish assembly and testing. I put most news on facebook https://www.facebook.com/Projet-Poisson-Pilote-Pilot-Fish-Project-294329844027226/ regards Antoine On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 7:02 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Antoine, > How is Pilot Fish comming? I haven't heard for a while? > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Date: 01/16/2016 11:05 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports > > HI Cliff, > for Pilot Fish, we ll have the same configuration as on your R300, > although the hatch is tilted nearly 10? forward to improve visibility. > We are building a camera in the nose pointing downwards in a transparent > acrylic casing. > and plan to relay it to a portable screen inside the sub. > We ll see how it renders... > > regards > Antoine > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> >> USB HD webcams are pretty cheap and can easily be put into a homebuilt >> housing. I am planning on using them with a small 12inch notebook for >> video capture. You can use multicam software like ISPY to combine multiple >> cameras into one viewing area. The only problem I've found is that I can't >> get more than three cameras to work with any computer I've tried. IP >> Cameras are another option but are more expensive and larger so require a >> bigger footprint on the sub. And of course if the housing fails it will >> hurt your pocket book more to purchase another IP cam. The advantage though >> is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. >> >> If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with Processing >> Language for building a graphical display. You can feed a camera to it to >> display on a small touchscreen. I've tried it and it works very well. >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical >>> viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to >>> the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor. I am >>> interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras >>> and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one >>> of these cameras? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor >>> did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do >>> differently on your next boat? >>> >>> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using >>> this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be interested in >>> anyone's experience on this. >>> >>> cliff >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 14:25:19 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 08:25:19 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cliff, if you have a look on some ROV sites they will have dissected that camera issue to the nth degree. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do differently on your next boat? > > I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be interested in anyone's experience on this. > > cliff > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 14:27:32 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:27:32 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a matter of fact Cliff, dad and I were recently discussing implementing a similar idea on Snoopy. Specifically, a camera that would cover the lower aft section of the sub for a real-time view of the thruster / reverse camera. I'll be interested to see what your experience comes to be. ~ Douglas S. On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Scott, > the sub is coming along... after it got exhibited at the Paris boat show, > I got is closer to home to avoid long week end drives and do all the > outfitting work. > Our one week long dive is planned 6-12 of August, but we still need to > finish assembly and testing. > > I put most news on facebook > > https://www.facebook.com/Projet-Poisson-Pilote-Pilot-Fish-Project-294329844027226/ > > regards > Antoine > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 7:02 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Antoine, >> How is Pilot Fish comming? I haven't heard for a while? >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters >> >> >> >> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Date: 01/16/2016 11:05 AM (GMT-06:00) >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports >> >> HI Cliff, >> for Pilot Fish, we ll have the same configuration as on your R300, >> although the hatch is tilted nearly 10? forward to improve visibility. >> We are building a camera in the nose pointing downwards in a transparent >> acrylic casing. >> and plan to relay it to a portable screen inside the sub. >> We ll see how it renders... >> >> regards >> Antoine >> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> USB HD webcams are pretty cheap and can easily be put into a homebuilt >>> housing. I am planning on using them with a small 12inch notebook for >>> video capture. You can use multicam software like ISPY to combine multiple >>> cameras into one viewing area. The only problem I've found is that I can't >>> get more than three cameras to work with any computer I've tried. IP >>> Cameras are another option but are more expensive and larger so require a >>> bigger footprint on the sub. And of course if the housing fails it will >>> hurt your pocket book more to purchase another IP cam. The advantage though >>> is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. >>> >>> If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with Processing >>> Language for building a graphical display. You can feed a camera to it to >>> display on a small touchscreen. I've tried it and it works very well. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the >>>> hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but >>>> visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking >>>> down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on >>>> using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any >>>> one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use >>>> and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well >>>> and what whould do differently on your next boat? >>>> >>>> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using >>>> this concept rather than a physical viewport. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 14:28:49 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 08:28:49 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: also Google ROV camera on image search & their are a lot of units to explore. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do differently on your next boat? > > I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be interested in anyone's experience on this. > > cliff > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 14:45:12 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 08:45:12 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13F5D4F1-D380-4C2F-9F3C-F8D73CE9F51C@yahoo.com> While I am at it Cliff, if you are using a standard camera in a housing & it has infrared controls on it, you can take the transmitter led out of the control unit & fix it so it is eyeballing the receiver unit on the camera, then extend the wires back to the transmitter inside the hull. I learnt that trick off someone who uses it commercially. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 17/01/2016, at 8:28 am, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > also Google ROV camera on image search > & their are a lot of units to explore. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do differently on your next boat? >> >> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be interested in anyone's experience on this. >> >> cliff >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 14:52:43 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:52:43 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <13F5D4F1-D380-4C2F-9F3C-F8D73CE9F51C@yahoo.com> References: <13F5D4F1-D380-4C2F-9F3C-F8D73CE9F51C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice suggestions Alan. Do you plan on having cameras on your sub? ~ Douglas S. On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > While I am at it Cliff, > if you are using a standard camera in a housing & it has > infrared controls on it, you can take the transmitter led out of the > control > unit & fix it so it is eyeballing the receiver unit on the camera, then > extend the > wires back to the transmitter inside the hull. > I learnt that trick off someone who uses it commercially. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 17/01/2016, at 8:28 am, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > also Google ROV camera on image search > > & their are a lot of units to explore. > > Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> > >> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the > hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but > visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking > down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on > using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any > one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use > and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well > and what whould do differently on your next boat? > >> > >> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using > this concept rather than a physical viewport. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 19:07:37 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 13:07:37 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: <13F5D4F1-D380-4C2F-9F3C-F8D73CE9F51C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <607E23EF-0931-4D2A-9016-ACC18354EF95@yahoo.com> No Doug, at least not for navigation. I have a camera mount for an underwater camera on my ambient sub. It was made from a car side mirror mount & has pan & tilt capability however the angle range is not great. They sell camera gimbals on hobbyking's site, that may be better for doing the pan & tilt. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 17/01/2016, at 8:52 am, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Nice suggestions Alan. Do you plan on having cameras on your sub? ~ Douglas S. > >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> While I am at it Cliff, >> if you are using a standard camera in a housing & it has >> infrared controls on it, you can take the transmitter led out of the control >> unit & fix it so it is eyeballing the receiver unit on the camera, then extend the >> wires back to the transmitter inside the hull. >> I learnt that trick off someone who uses it commercially. >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On 17/01/2016, at 8:28 am, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> > >> > also Google ROV camera on image search >> > & their are a lot of units to explore. >> > Alan >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> >> On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> >> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do differently on your next boat? >> >> >> >> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using this concept rather than a physical viewport. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 19:54:18 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:54:18 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <569A65D6.7050501@psubs.org> References: <569A65D6.7050501@psubs.org> Message-ID: Jon, thanks for info. Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD webcams? Cliff On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > USB HD webcams are pretty cheap and can easily be put into a homebuilt > housing. I am planning on using them with a small 12inch notebook for > video capture. You can use multicam software like ISPY to combine multiple > cameras into one viewing area. The only problem I've found is that I can't > get more than three cameras to work with any computer I've tried. IP > Cameras are another option but are more expensive and larger so require a > bigger footprint on the sub. And of course if the housing fails it will > hurt your pocket book more to purchase another IP cam. The advantage though > is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. > > If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with Processing > Language for building a graphical display. You can feed a camera to it to > display on a small touchscreen. I've tried it and it works very well. > > Jon > > > On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical >> viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to >> the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor. I am >> interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras >> and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one >> of these cameras? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor >> did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do >> differently on your next boat? >> >> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using >> this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be interested in >> anyone's experience on this. >> >> cliff >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cliff On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > HI Cliff, > for Pilot Fish, we ll have the same configuration as on your R300, > although the hatch is tilted nearly 10? forward to improve visibility. > We are building a camera in the nose pointing downwards in a transparent > acrylic casing. > and plan to relay it to a portable screen inside the sub. > We ll see how it renders... > > regards > Antoine > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> >> USB HD webcams are pretty cheap and can easily be put into a homebuilt >> housing. I am planning on using them with a small 12inch notebook for >> video capture. You can use multicam software like ISPY to combine multiple >> cameras into one viewing area. The only problem I've found is that I can't >> get more than three cameras to work with any computer I've tried. IP >> Cameras are another option but are more expensive and larger so require a >> bigger footprint on the sub. And of course if the housing fails it will >> hurt your pocket book more to purchase another IP cam. The advantage though >> is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. >> >> If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with Processing >> Language for building a graphical display. You can feed a camera to it to >> display on a small touchscreen. I've tried it and it works very well. >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical >>> viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to >>> the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor. I am >>> interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras >>> and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one >>> of these cameras? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor >>> did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do >>> differently on your next boat? >>> >>> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using >>> this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be interested in >>> anyone's experience on this. >>> >>> cliff >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 19:59:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:59:09 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's a great idea Alan. do you have a preferred ROV site you could recommend to start digging into? Cliff On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Cliff, > if you have a look on some ROV sites they > will have dissected that camera issue to > the nth degree. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical > viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to > the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor. I am > interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras > and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one > of these cameras? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor > did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do > differently on your next boat? > > > > I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using > this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be interested in > anyone's experience on this. > > > > cliff > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 20:04:08 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:04:08 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug, the issue I have is I don't have a lot of room to mount a second display. If possible I would like a real time display of three cameras to come through the exiting HMI. As I know nothing about video cameras, I was hoping to see what type if equipment others were using. I would not have a problem packaging for subsea but would like the cameras as small as possible. If you and your dad nail down a system for Snoopy, let me know what you come up with. I am early days on this. Cliff On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > As a matter of fact Cliff, dad and I were recently discussing implementing > a similar idea on Snoopy. Specifically, a camera that would cover the lower > aft section of the sub for a real-time view of the thruster / reverse > camera. > > I'll be interested to see what your experience comes to be. ~ Douglas S. > > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Antoine Delafargue via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Hi Scott, >> the sub is coming along... after it got exhibited at the Paris boat show, >> I got is closer to home to avoid long week end drives and do all the >> outfitting work. >> Our one week long dive is planned 6-12 of August, but we still need to >> finish assembly and testing. >> >> I put most news on facebook >> >> https://www.facebook.com/Projet-Poisson-Pilote-Pilot-Fish-Project-294329844027226/ >> >> regards >> Antoine >> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 7:02 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> Antoine, >>> How is Pilot Fish comming? I haven't heard for a while? >>> Thanks, >>> Scott Waters >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Date: 01/16/2016 11:05 AM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports >>> >>> HI Cliff, >>> for Pilot Fish, we ll have the same configuration as on your R300, >>> although the hatch is tilted nearly 10? forward to improve visibility. >>> We are building a camera in the nose pointing downwards in a transparent >>> acrylic casing. >>> and plan to relay it to a portable screen inside the sub. >>> We ll see how it renders... >>> >>> regards >>> Antoine >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> USB HD webcams are pretty cheap and can easily be put into a homebuilt >>>> housing. I am planning on using them with a small 12inch notebook for >>>> video capture. You can use multicam software like ISPY to combine multiple >>>> cameras into one viewing area. The only problem I've found is that I can't >>>> get more than three cameras to work with any computer I've tried. IP >>>> Cameras are another option but are more expensive and larger so require a >>>> bigger footprint on the sub. And of course if the housing fails it will >>>> hurt your pocket book more to purchase another IP cam. The advantage though >>>> is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. >>>> >>>> If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with >>>> Processing Language for building a graphical display. You can feed a >>>> camera to it to display on a small touchscreen. I've tried it and it works >>>> very well. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>>> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the >>>>> hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but >>>>> visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking >>>>> down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on >>>>> using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any >>>>> one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use >>>>> and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well >>>>> and what whould do differently on your next boat? >>>>> >>>>> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on >>>>> using this concept rather than a physical viewport. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 20:07:53 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:07:53 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <13F5D4F1-D380-4C2F-9F3C-F8D73CE9F51C@yahoo.com> References: <13F5D4F1-D380-4C2F-9F3C-F8D73CE9F51C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan, I know nothing about cameras. I understand moving the infrared sensor but what does this do for me? Can you elaborate? Cliff On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > While I am at it Cliff, > if you are using a standard camera in a housing & it has > infrared controls on it, you can take the transmitter led out of the > control > unit & fix it so it is eyeballing the receiver unit on the camera, then > extend the > wires back to the transmitter inside the hull. > I learnt that trick off someone who uses it commercially. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 17/01/2016, at 8:28 am, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > also Google ROV camera on image search > > & their are a lot of units to explore. > > Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> > >> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the > hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but > visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking > down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on > using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any > one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use > and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well > and what whould do differently on your next boat? > >> > >> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using > this concept rather than a physical viewport. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 20:10:10 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:10:10 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <607E23EF-0931-4D2A-9016-ACC18354EF95@yahoo.com> References: <13F5D4F1-D380-4C2F-9F3C-F8D73CE9F51C@yahoo.com> <607E23EF-0931-4D2A-9016-ACC18354EF95@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know how Carsten has packaged his video cameras and what kind of equipment he is using in his newest boat? cliff On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > No Doug, at least not for navigation. > I have a camera mount for an underwater camera on my ambient sub. > It was made from a car side mirror mount & has pan & tilt capability > however the angle range is not great. They sell camera gimbals on > hobbyking's site, that may be better for doing the pan & tilt. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 17/01/2016, at 8:52 am, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Nice suggestions Alan. Do you plan on having cameras on your sub? ~ > Douglas S. > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> While I am at it Cliff, >> if you are using a standard camera in a housing & it has >> infrared controls on it, you can take the transmitter led out of the >> control >> unit & fix it so it is eyeballing the receiver unit on the camera, then >> extend the >> wires back to the transmitter inside the hull. >> I learnt that trick off someone who uses it commercially. >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On 17/01/2016, at 8:28 am, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> > >> > also Google ROV camera on image search >> > & their are a lot of units to explore. >> > Alan >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> >> On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the >> hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but >> visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking >> down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on >> using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any >> one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use >> and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well >> and what whould do differently on your next boat? >> >> >> >> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using >> this concept rather than a physical viewport. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 16 21:12:45 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 02:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: <13F5D4F1-D380-4C2F-9F3C-F8D73CE9F51C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <719411081.770337.1452996765458.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Cliff,a lot of cameras & video cameras have an infrared receiver, & this gives you theoption to buy a remote transmitter & operate functions remotely. Mainly take still photos & turn the?video camera on & off.This only operates with line of sight, hence the need for the suggested modification bytaking the infrared transmitting LED out of the transmitter (transmitters cost round $20-)& mounting it in your camera housing pointed at the cameras receiver. Then run wiresback from the transmitter LED to the transmitter in the hull.?As for ROV sites, there is Home built ROV & a host of others out there.http://www.homebuiltrovs.com/rovforum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1768&sid=5a373635c56a06a106debb110420f24b You may be able to approach Keith Gordon down here in N.Z. who monitors this site occasionally.He has been using ROVs since they were invented. Hugh would have his email.If it were me, I would take your HMI down to your local electronics store & see if the inputs would supportany type of security camera set up they are selling. I think you want to run multiple cameras & these security setups support differing numbers of cameras. At least you could get good advice on youroptions based on what you have. I think Doug mentioned a reversing camera which would be goodenough if you only need collision avoidance type quality.Interested to follow your progress.Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports Alan, I know nothing about cameras.? I understand moving the infrared sensor but what does this do for me?? Can you elaborate? Cliff On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: While I am at it Cliff, if you are using a standard camera in a housing & it has infrared controls on it, you can take the transmitter led out of the control unit & fix it so it is eyeballing the receiver unit on the camera, then extend the wires back to the transmitter inside the hull. I learnt that trick off someone who uses it commercially. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 17/01/2016, at 8:28 am, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > also Google ROV camera on image search > & their are a lot of units to explore. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor.? I am interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports.? Has any one commissioned one of these cameras?? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor did you use?? Has it worked?? What has worked well and what whould do differently on your next boat? >> >> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using this concept rather than a physical viewport.? 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A small pneumatic cylinder is?used to bring the pole to vertical orientation before surfacing.Cheers Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports Alan, I know nothing about cameras.? I understand moving the infrared sensor but what does this do for me?? Can you elaborate? Cliff On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: While I am at it Cliff, if you are using a standard camera in a housing & it has infrared controls on it, you can take the transmitter led out of the control unit & fix it so it is eyeballing the receiver unit on the camera, then extend the wires back to the transmitter inside the hull. I learnt that trick off someone who uses it commercially. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 17/01/2016, at 8:28 am, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > also Google ROV camera on image search > & their are a lot of units to explore. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 17/01/2016, at 4:34 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking down is poor.? I am interested in what experience we have collectively on using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports.? Has any one commissioned one of these cameras?? What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor did you use?? Has it worked?? What has worked well and what whould do differently on your next boat? >> >> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using this concept rather than a physical viewport.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 17 06:19:14 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:19:14 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: <569A65D6.7050501@psubs.org> Message-ID: Hi Cliff, -the casing is 1atm, of the type that is on the picture below being prepped for pressure test up to 400m at Emile's: -the cam is an industrial model that my project mate uses for his drones ( www.*delair*-*tech*.com/en). I don t have the specs, but it is a wide sensor for low light conditions. We ll use it primarily for shooting pictures, synchronized with LED lamps flashes -the relay screen will be a small PC with separate screen. [image: Inline image 1] regards Antoine On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Good idea about tilting the hatch forward by 10 degrees to improve forward > viability. For the camera, have you speced it yet? Will it be a 1 atm > pressure chamber as Jon suggest? Have you speced the display monitor? > > Cliff > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Antoine Delafargue via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> HI Cliff, >> for Pilot Fish, we ll have the same configuration as on your R300, >> although the hatch is tilted nearly 10? forward to improve visibility. >> We are building a camera in the nose pointing downwards in a transparent >> acrylic casing. >> and plan to relay it to a portable screen inside the sub. >> We ll see how it renders... >> >> regards >> Antoine >> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> USB HD webcams are pretty cheap and can easily be put into a homebuilt >>> housing. I am planning on using them with a small 12inch notebook for >>> video capture. You can use multicam software like ISPY to combine multiple >>> cameras into one viewing area. The only problem I've found is that I can't >>> get more than three cameras to work with any computer I've tried. IP >>> Cameras are another option but are more expensive and larger so require a >>> bigger footprint on the sub. And of course if the housing fails it will >>> hurt your pocket book more to purchase another IP cam. The advantage though >>> is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. >>> >>> If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with Processing >>> Language for building a graphical display. You can feed a camera to it to >>> display on a small touchscreen. I've tried it and it works very well. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the >>>> hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent but >>>> visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when looking >>>> down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have collectively on >>>> using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as virtual viewports. Has any >>>> one commissioned one of these cameras? What brand and model did you use >>>> and what HMI or monitor did you use? Has it worked? What has worked well >>>> and what whould do differently on your next boat? >>>> >>>> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on using >>>> this concept rather than a physical viewport. 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One end is hooked >> to the hoist and the other end is hooked to the sub. There is a very >> accurate gauge threaded into the hydraulic cylinder port with a shut off >> valve and a tee with a hydraulic hose going to the other port on the >> cylinder. When I lift the sub the cylinder tries to stretch and the gauge >> rises. You just take the area of the cylinder bore and subtract the area >> of the cylinder rod then multiply the result by the pressure on the gauge. >> It is very accurate-I know because I was adding and subtracting weights to >> check it. Just leaning on the sub moves the gauge. >> Hank >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 17 13:10:43 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 10:10:43 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cheap weigh scale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1453054243.72556.YahooMailMobile@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, She is a little piggy at 2016 lbs but still buoyant by about 300 lbs witch is good news. I need much less buoyancy material than I expected. 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Re: Virtual Viewports (Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:19:14 +0100 From: Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Cliff, -the casing is 1atm, of the type that is on the picture below being prepped for pressure test up to 400m at Emile's: -the cam is an industrial model that my project mate uses for his drones ( www.*delair*-*tech*.com/en). I don t have the specs, but it is a wide sensor for low light conditions. We ll use it primarily for shooting pictures, synchronized with LED lamps flashes -the relay screen will be a small PC with separate screen. [image: Inline image 1] regards Antoine On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Good idea about tilting the hatch forward by 10 degrees to improve > forward viability. For the camera, have you speced it yet? Will it > be a 1 atm pressure chamber as Jon suggest? Have you speced the display monitor? > > Cliff > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Antoine Delafargue via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> HI Cliff, >> for Pilot Fish, we ll have the same configuration as on your R300, >> although the hatch is tilted nearly 10? forward to improve visibility. >> We are building a camera in the nose pointing downwards in a >> transparent acrylic casing. >> and plan to relay it to a portable screen inside the sub. >> We ll see how it renders... >> >> regards >> Antoine >> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Jon Wallace via >> Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> USB HD webcams are pretty cheap and can easily be put into a >>> homebuilt housing. I am planning on using them with a small 12inch >>> notebook for video capture. You can use multicam software like ISPY >>> to combine multiple cameras into one viewing area. The only problem >>> I've found is that I can't get more than three cameras to work with >>> any computer I've tried. IP Cameras are another option but are more >>> expensive and larger so require a bigger footprint on the sub. And >>> of course if the housing fails it will hurt your pocket book more to >>> purchase another IP cam. The advantage though is that most of them have built in IR lights for night vision. >>> >>> If you want something more basic, check out Raspberry PI with >>> Processing Language for building a graphical display. You can feed >>> a camera to it to display on a small touchscreen. I've tried it and it works very well. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/16/2016 10:34 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> With the sitting position of the pilot in the R300 and the >>>> hemispherical viewport, visibility upwards all around is excellent >>>> but visibility off to the port and starboard sides of the boat when >>>> looking down is poor. I am interested in what experience we have >>>> collectively on using subsea cameras and displaying monitor as >>>> virtual viewports. Has any one commissioned one of these cameras? >>>> What brand and model did you use and what HMI or monitor did you >>>> use? Has it worked? What has worked well and what whould do differently on your next boat? >>>> >>>> I know from emails a few years back that Carsten was planning on >>>> using this concept rather than a physical viewport. I would be >>>> interested in anyone's experience on this. >>>> >>>> cliff >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong it is. I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. Jon On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Jon, thanks for info. Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD webcams? > > Cliff > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 17 20:07:34 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 01:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <569C38B9.2050403@psubs.org> References: <569C38B9.2050403@psubs.org> Message-ID: <153381638.5274222.1453079254203.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Jon,Be happy to test it for you, my experience is that USB cables are pretty tough to splice for the penetrator. ?I am using back up camera's on my new deep diver. ? They have a very small camera and heavy wires for splicing.Hank On Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical design so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing.? I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong it is.? I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. Jon On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Jon, thanks for info.? Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD webcams? > > Cliff > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. > > Jon > > > On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Jon, thanks for info. Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD >> webcams? >> >> Cliff >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 17 20:29:32 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 19:29:32 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference Message-ID: Do we have a solid date for the conference?? Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 17 21:10:13 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 02:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports References: <1541008697.7036232.1453083013566.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1541008697.7036232.1453083013566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Why not add a small view port ( 1" or so ) for the camera element. Pete -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 1/17/16, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Sunday, January 17, 2016, 7:13 PM I should add, LOGITECH USB cams are superior in both quality and frames-per-second but you'd need to mount it in either a large housing (facing forward) or sideways in a small acrylic cylinder. Jon On 1/17/2016 7:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical > design so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing.? > I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong > it is.? I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. > > Jon > > > On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Jon, thanks for info.? Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD >> webcams? >> >> Cliff >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 17 21:31:54 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 20:31:54 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <1541008697.7036232.1453083013566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1541008697.7036232.1453083013566.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1541008697.7036232.1453083013566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7E481760-5541-4F19-9794-13E6D9018829@gmail.com> For my boat not practical to install small viewports for cameras. Cliff Redus > On Jan 17, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Why not add a small view port ( 1" or so ) for the camera element. > > Pete > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 1/17/16, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2016, 7:13 PM > > > I should > add, LOGITECH USB cams are superior in both quality and > frames-per-second but you'd need to mount > it in either a large housing > (facing > forward) or sideways in a small acrylic cylinder. > > Jon > > > On 1/17/2016 7:58 PM, Jon > Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Cliff, the Microsoft > LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical >> design so are easy to adapt to a small > diameter cylindrical housing. >> I > built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how > strong >> it is. I should send it to > Hank for pressure testing. >> >> Jon >> >> >> On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, > Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Jon, thanks for info. Do you have a > preferred vendor for USB HD > webcams? > Cliff > _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 17 21:33:38 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 20:33:38 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <569C38B9.2050403@psubs.org> References: <569A65D6.7050501@psubs.org> <569C38B9.2050403@psubs.org> Message-ID: <23B8081D-1A36-4506-B8B2-850804FD41DF@gmail.com> This looks like it would be easy to put in a 1 arm case. Cliff Redus > On Jan 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical design so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing. I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong it is. I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. > > Jon > > >> On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Jon, thanks for info. Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD webcams? >> >> Cliff > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 17 21:55:10 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 02:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <23B8081D-1A36-4506-B8B2-850804FD41DF@gmail.com> References: <569A65D6.7050501@psubs.org> <569C38B9.2050403@psubs.org> <23B8081D-1A36-4506-B8B2-850804FD41DF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2002071683.6244563.1453085710570.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Cliff,how many cameras were you wanting.I thought you wanted to have a split screen on your HMI to viewall images at once.Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports This looks like it would be easy to put in a 1 arm case.? Cliff Redus > On Jan 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical design so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing.? I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong it is.? I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. > > Jon > > >> On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Jon, thanks for info.? Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD webcams? >> >> Cliff > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 17 21:59:55 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 20:59:55 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference Message-ID: Got it on the calender. I will get stuff arranged. I may come a little early too to do a 400' test.Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/17/2016 8:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference July 26-31 it is, per Jon. Hope so, because that slots right in between weekends that I would otherwise have conflicts with!? Best, Alec On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:29 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Do we have a solid date for the conference?? Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 18 09:13:28 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:13:28 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: <2002071683.6244563.1453085710570.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <569A65D6.7050501@psubs.org> <569C38B9.2050403@psubs.org> <23B8081D-1A36-4506-B8B2-850804FD41DF@gmail.com> <2002071683.6244563.1453085710570.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan, I would like to have three small HD cameras, much like the Microsoft LifeCam series that Jon listed, one oriented forward and down, the other two facing down on the port and starboard sides. In a prefect world, I would like the option of temporarily displaying one or all of these three images on my HMI. I had a discussion with the HMI supplier and as of now, these units don't support video display capability. I might need to resort to a secondary screen to display video but it would have to be small and I don't have a good place to set this. Maybe I need to look into some kind of heads up display or something I could wear like Goodle glasses that could display they the video feed. Still early days on this for me. cliff On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Cliff, > how many cameras were you wanting. > I thought you wanted to have a split screen on your HMI to view > all images at once. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* via Personal_Submersibles > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:33 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports > > This looks like it would be easy to put in a 1 arm case. > > > Cliff Redus > > > On Jan 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > > > Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical design > so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing. I built my > first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong it is. I should > send it to Hank for pressure testing. > > > > Jon > > > > > >> On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Jon, thanks for info. Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD > webcams? > >> > >> Cliff > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 18 10:58:06 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 04:58:06 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports In-Reply-To: References: <569A65D6.7050501@psubs.org> <569C38B9.2050403@psubs.org> <23B8081D-1A36-4506-B8B2-850804FD41DF@gmail.com> <2002071683.6244563.1453085710570.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A27CCE-93C5-4899-B85B-2E75FA9280B2@yahoo.com> Cliff, that's bad news. everything seems to be 50 times harder than you anticipate. what about mounting a screen left & right inside your dome. if the view is obscured anyway, then placing a small monitor there wouldn't hurt. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 19/01/2016, at 3:13 am, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, I would like to have three small HD cameras, much like the Microsoft LifeCam series that Jon listed, one oriented forward and down, the other two facing down on the port and starboard sides. In a prefect world, I would like the option of temporarily displaying one or all of these three images on my HMI. I had a discussion with the HMI supplier and as of now, these units don't support video display capability. I might need to resort to a secondary screen to display video but it would have to be small and I don't have a good place to set this. > > Maybe I need to look into some kind of heads up display or something I could wear like Goodle glasses that could display they the video feed. Still early days on this for me. > > cliff > >> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Cliff, >> how many cameras were you wanting. >> I thought you wanted to have a split screen on your HMI to view >> all images at once. >> Alan >> >> >> >> From: via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports >> >> This looks like it would be easy to put in a 1 arm case. >> >> >> Cliff Redus >> >> > On Jan 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> > >> > >> > Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical design so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing. I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong it is. I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. >> > >> > Jon >> > >> > >> >> On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Jon, thanks for info. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 18 13:51:05 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:51:05 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?Virtual_Viewports?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <569d3546.1047370a.8ffe8.3f8a@mx.google.com> Since you guys got me thinking, I have a stack of thick lenses left over from when I was converting Maglites to canister lightheads. I figure it might be possible to work up something on a D or C cell light to use with some of the cheap cameras I just bought on eBay. Now - not a cheap hack, but I wonder if the Gopro remote app will work through a sub hull? 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Re: Virtual Viewports (via Personal_Submersibles) 6. Re: Virtual Viewports (via Personal_Submersibles) 7. Re: Virtual Viewports (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 20:13:29 -0500 From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports Message-ID: <569C3C39.8070304 at psubs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I should add, LOGITECH USB cams are superior in both quality and frames-per-second but you'd need to mount it in either a large housing (facing forward) or sideways in a small acrylic cylinder. Jon On 1/17/2016 7:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical > design so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing. > I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong > it is. I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. > > Jon > > > On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Jon, thanks for info. Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD >> webcams? >> >> Cliff >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 19:29:32 -0600 From: "swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles" To: psubs Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Do we have a solid date for the conference?? Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:08:35 -0500 From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" July 26-31 it is, per Jon. Hope so, because that slots right in between weekends that I would otherwise have conflicts with! Best, Alec On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:29 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Do we have a solid date for the conference? > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 02:10:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports Message-ID: <1541008697.7036232.1453083013566.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Why not add a small view port ( 1" or so ) for the camera element. Pete -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 1/17/16, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Sunday, January 17, 2016, 7:13 PM I should add, LOGITECH USB cams are superior in both quality and frames-per-second but you'd need to mount it in either a large housing (facing forward) or sideways in a small acrylic cylinder. Jon On 1/17/2016 7:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical > design so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing.? > I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong > it is.? I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. > > Jon > > > On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Jon, thanks for info.? Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD >> webcams? >> >> Cliff >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 20:31:54 -0600 From: via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports Message-ID: <7E481760-5541-4F19-9794-13E6D9018829 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For my boat not practical to install small viewports for cameras. Cliff Redus > On Jan 17, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Why not add a small view port ( 1" or so ) for the camera element. > > Pete > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 1/17/16, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2016, 7:13 PM > > > I should > add, LOGITECH USB cams are superior in both quality and > frames-per-second but you'd need to mount > it in either a large housing > (facing > forward) or sideways in a small acrylic cylinder. > > Jon > > > On 1/17/2016 7:58 PM, Jon > Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Cliff, the Microsoft > LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical >> design so are easy to adapt to a small > diameter cylindrical housing. >> I > built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how > strong >> it is. I should send it to > Hank for pressure testing. >> >> Jon >> >> >> On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, > Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Jon, thanks for info. Do you have a > preferred vendor for USB HD > webcams? > Cliff > _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 20:33:38 -0600 From: via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports Message-ID: <23B8081D-1A36-4506-B8B2-850804FD41DF at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This looks like it would be easy to put in a 1 arm case. Cliff Redus > On Jan 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical design so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing. I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong it is. I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. > > Jon > > >> On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Jon, thanks for info. Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD webcams? >> >> Cliff > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 02:55:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports Message-ID: <2002071683.6244563.1453085710570.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Cliff,how many cameras were you wanting.I thought you wanted to have a split screen on your HMI to viewall images at once.Alan From: via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Virtual Viewports This looks like it would be easy to put in a 1 arm case.? Cliff Redus > On Jan 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Cliff, the Microsoft LifeCam series are HD and have a cylindrical design so are easy to adapt to a small diameter cylindrical housing.? I built my first one out of 1.5 inch PVC but have no clue how strong it is.? I should send it to Hank for pressure testing. > > Jon > > >> On 1/16/2016 7:54 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Jon, thanks for info.? Do you have a preferred vendor for USB HD webcams? >> >> Cliff > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon On 1/17/2016 9:08 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > July 26-31 it is, per Jon. Hope so, because that slots right in > between weekends that I would otherwise have conflicts with! > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:29 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com > via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > > > Do we have a solid date for the conference? > > Thanks, > Scott Waters > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 19 02:36:12 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:36:12 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: new important message Message-ID: <0000b4b96a52$6499e942$def2b363$@upplevelsepresent.se> Hello! New message, please read lasse at upplevelsepresent.se -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 19 03:48:10 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:48:10 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference Message-ID: Good for me. I will bring Trustworthy and I will have 4 additional people with me.-Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/18/2016 11:15 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference It was just a stake-in-the-ground to start getting the ball rolling, but it's probably as good as any other.? Folks please respond if JUL26-31 is a good date or bad date for you. Jon On 1/17/2016 9:08 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: July 26-31 it is, per Jon. Hope so, because that slots right in between weekends that I would otherwise have conflicts with!? 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Hope so, because that slots right in between > weekends that I would otherwise have conflicts with! > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:29 PM, > swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> >> Do we have a solid date for the conference? >> >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 19 12:49:48 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:49:48 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Jon W Message-ID: <20160119104948.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.a1142a6ba0.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 19 16:20:22 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (John Kammerer via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:20:22 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference In-Reply-To: References: <569DC663.7040709@psubs.org> Message-ID: <8A1BAFE5-9AB4-4A84-A16A-F857598ABD57@optonline.net> Hi all: I will attend. John K. (203) 414-1000 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2016, at 6:35 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Good! > > Alec > >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> It was just a stake-in-the-ground to start getting the ball rolling, but it's probably as good as any other. Folks please respond if JUL26-31 is a good date or bad date for you. >> >> Jon >> >> >>> On 1/17/2016 9:08 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> July 26-31 it is, per Jon. Hope so, because that slots right in between weekends that I would otherwise have conflicts with! >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:29 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> Do we have a solid date for the conference? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Scott Waters >>>> >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jan 19 19:44:05 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:44:05 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference In-Reply-To: <569DC663.7040709@psubs.org> References: <569DC663.7040709@psubs.org> Message-ID: Jon, These dates are open for me. I am adding to my calendar. Steve On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > It was just a stake-in-the-ground to start getting the ball rolling, but > it's probably as good as any other. Folks please respond if JUL26-31 is a > good date or bad date for you. > > Jon > > > On 1/17/2016 9:08 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > July 26-31 it is, per Jon. Hope so, because that slots right in between > weekends that I would otherwise have conflicts with! > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:29 PM, > swaters at waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> >> Do we have a solid date for the conference? >> >> Thanks, >> Scott Waters >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 20 02:21:25 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:21:25 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glue Message-ID: <20160119232125.FB9237E5@m0087792.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 20 11:26:30 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:26:30 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glue Message-ID: <20160120082630.37CDA073@m0087796.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 20 11:34:43 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Message-ID: <20160120083443.37CDA28A@m0087796.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 20 19:24:05 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:24:05 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub conference Message-ID: <000f01d153e2$0ac2ade0$204809a0$@gmail.com> I've put it on my calendar. Will need more information as in, where are people staying, can we recharge there, etc., etc. Don't know if I can stay the whole week, but looking forward to putting Harold AHA Lake Diver back in her home waters. Brian --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 21 16:07:31 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:07:31 +0100 (MET) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" In-Reply-To: <20160120083443.37CDA28A@m0087796.ppops.net> References: <20160120083443.37CDA28A@m0087796.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1453410451333.391994.52adeb874196236b93c70885c41f3312e9bf428f@spica.telekom.de> Our last Movie about our little submarine far far away from home.. Enjoy.. https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/Kaeptn-Nemo-aus-dem-Norden,typisch1086.html Carsten -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 21 January 2016 at 21:58, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > das ist wunderbar Carsten > danke > antoine > > On Thursday, January 21, 2016, MerlinSub at t-online.de via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> >> >> Our last Movie about our little submarine far far away from home.. >> >> >> >> Enjoy.. >> >> >> >> https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/Kaeptn-Nemo-aus-dem-Norden,typisch1086.html >> >> >> >> Carsten >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 21 17:34:06 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:34:06 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" Message-ID: <20160121153406.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.42a5fa053c.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 21 17:52:41 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 17:52:41 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" Message-ID: <76bc11.c120192.43d2bb39@aol.com> Carsten, thanks for posting that. I'm hoping for voice-over in English or subtitles someday. Here's the best I can translate to share from the introduction. My apologies for any mistakes. -Jim T. Captain Nemo of the North A man and his dream of owning a submarine. Carsten Standfu? is a naval architect. His dream: To explore the secrets of the oceans with a submarine. Therefore he spent twelve years building "Euronaut." Scott, remember you can't own beer; you can only rent it for a while. In a message dated 1/21/2016 4:34:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Very cool Carsten! I need to get a cup holder in my sub for beer! haha Thank you, Scott Waters -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" From: "_MerlinSub at t-online.de_ (mailto:MerlinSub at t-online.de) via Personal_Submersibles" <_personal_submersibles at psubs.org_ (mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org) > Date: Thu, January 21, 2016 3:07 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <_personal_submersibles at psubs.org_ (mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org) > Our last Movie about our little submarine far far away from home.. Enjoy.. https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/Kaeptn-Nemo-aus-dem-Norden,typisch1086.html Carsten ____________________________________ _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list _Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org_ (mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org) http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I need to get a cup holder in my sub for beer! haha?Thank you,Scott Waters?? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" Date: Thu, January 21, 2016 3:07 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ?Our last Movie about our little submarine far far away from home..?Enjoy..?https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/Kaeptn-Nemo-aus-dem-Norden,typisch1086.html?Carsten?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 06:47:08 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:47:08 +0100 (MET) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" In-Reply-To: <988271865.9668583.1453456409165.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20160120083443.37CDA28A@m0087796.ppops.net> <1453410451333.391994.52adeb874196236b93c70885c41f3312e9bf428f@spica.telekom.de> <988271865.9668583.1453456409165.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1453463228917.478658.9b64a31bab50d5c0400f25650473c90d24b8277e@spica.telekom.de> C3PO can translate 3 Million language simultan including of water evaporatoren. May you should purchase one from George.. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" Datum: 2016-01-22T10:59:30+0100 Von: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Well done Captain Carsten. You were lucky to get a high quality movie like that made, with all the aerial & underwater footage. Could only understand you counting to 10, but it was still better than the movie I was forced to watch the night before. Cheers Alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:07 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" Our last Movie about our little submarine far far away from home.. Enjoy.. https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/Kaeptn-Nemo-aus-dem-Norden,typisch1086.html Carsten _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:47 AM, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > > > > C3PO can translate 3 Million language simultan including of water > evaporatoren. > > May you should purchase one from George.. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" > > Datum: 2016-01-22T10:59:30+0100 > > Von: "Alan James via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > > > > > > Well done Captain Carsten. > You were lucky to get a high quality movie like that made, with all > the aerial & underwater footage. > Could only understand you counting to 10, but it was still better than > the movie I was forced to watch the night before. > Cheers Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 10:07 AM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Euronaut Movie "The Force Awakens" > > > Our last Movie about our little submarine far far away from home.. > > Enjoy.. > > https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/Kaeptn-Nemo-aus-dem-Norden,typisch1086.html > > Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 12:51:26 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves In-Reply-To: <20160122093405.37AA0B73@m0087793.ppops.net> References: <20160122093405.37AA0B73@m0087793.ppops.net> Message-ID: <2034353054.10183883.1453485086228.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Brian,I questioned G.L. on a number of items in thier rules for submarines& there are some grey areas that you would have to argue the point overwith an inspector.One general rule is that no one failure can cause a major event.If the pipe failed at that elbow & you couldn't stop the flow of HP air,what sort of pressure could you be left with in the hull?Would you be able to blow the ballast tanks if you lost your airfrom that failure or do you have a redundant air supply?Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves ABS says " as close as possible"? I guess I'm ok with a short nipple coming off a elbow.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "PSubs " Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 Is there any distinction as to how close a HP?shut off valve or check valve has to be to the hull penetration so as to meet ABS requirements??? Can there be a short nipple between an elbow and the valve for instance??Brian Cox_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 13:22:36 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another PSUB-movie with Malen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <764737544.10026596.1453486956082.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Lasse,entertaining video.After our Florida conference a couple of years ago,Alec dropped me off at the front door of the Miami Hiltonwith his submarine "Snoopy" in tow. I thought that was animpressive entrance.Alan From: Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 4:00 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another PSUB-movie with Malen This is on the lighter side compared to the Euronaut movie, which I loved. Well done guys! "The Midlife guide to what to buy - a submarine" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtqoaJ5wSjE Enjoy and have a great weekend! -- Lasse Schmidt Westr?n Upplevelsepresent.se 070-28 32 660 Upplevelser, events och kryssningar. _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 16:23:13 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:23:13 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Message-ID: <20160122132313.661F695F@m0087791.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 17:23:23 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves In-Reply-To: <20160122132313.661F695F@m0087791.ppops.net> References: <20160122132313.661F695F@m0087791.ppops.net> Message-ID: <565077329.7604537.1453501404043.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,No drop weight?Hank On Friday, January 22, 2016 2:23 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,?? The air would most likely vent thru the hatch and then I'd be at whatever pressure the ambient water pressure would be .? If there was no air to surface I guess I'd have to bail.?? I will have an additional tank outside the hull for filling the ballast however.? That will be for raising and lowering the sub with scuba while out side the sub.? I was thinking it would be kind of neat to set it on the bottom in about 30' water. That way I wouldn't have to anchor it !?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Brian,I questioned G.L. on a number of items in thier rules for submarines& there are some grey areas that you would have to argue the point overwith an inspector.One general rule is that no one failure can cause a major event.If the pipe failed at that elbow & you couldn't stop the flow of HP air,what sort of pressure could you be left with in the hull?Would you be able to blow the ballast tanks if you lost your airfrom that failure or do you have a redundant air supply?Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves ABS says " as close as possible"? I guess I'm ok with a short nipple coming off a elbow.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "PSubs " Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 Is there any distinction as to how close a HP?shut off valve or check valve has to be to the hull penetration so as to meet ABS requirements??? Can there be a short nipple between an elbow and the valve for instance??Brian Cox_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 17:31:23 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves In-Reply-To: <20160122132313.661F695F@m0087791.ppops.net> References: <20160122132313.661F695F@m0087791.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1358660269.8948653.1453501883368.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,can you split the HP air in to two lines so you have two HP lines coming in.That way if one line failed you would have a back up. Also if a HP line rupturedor connection broke, then you would only have half the pressure in the hull.Inside my ambient I never see HP air, but I have two separate air systems& valves to use both simultaneously or separately.I am not sure what other psubbers do. This is bound to be covered in the Busby book.? ?I have heard reference to ?subs being stuck in the mud through sitting on the bottom& coming up carrying a load of extra weight in the form of mud. I noticed in Carsten'svideo that he sat on the bottom & pivoted. I am guessing to let the divers out, butsounds like a good practice on a muddy sea bed.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Alan,?? The air would most likely vent thru the hatch and then I'd be at whatever pressure the ambient water pressure would be .? If there was no air to surface I guess I'd have to bail.?? I will have an additional tank outside the hull for filling the ballast however.? That will be for raising and lowering the sub with scuba while out side the sub.? I was thinking it would be kind of neat to set it on the bottom in about 30' water. That way I wouldn't have to anchor it !?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Brian,I questioned G.L. on a number of items in thier rules for submarines& there are some grey areas that you would have to argue the point overwith an inspector.One general rule is that no one failure can cause a major event.If the pipe failed at that elbow & you couldn't stop the flow of HP air,what sort of pressure could you be left with in the hull?Would you be able to blow the ballast tanks if you lost your airfrom that failure or do you have a redundant air supply?Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves ABS says " as close as possible"? I guess I'm ok with a short nipple coming off a elbow.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "PSubs " Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 Is there any distinction as to how close a HP?shut off valve or check valve has to be to the hull penetration so as to meet ABS requirements??? Can there be a short nipple between an elbow and the valve for instance??Brian Cox_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 17:57:07 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves In-Reply-To: <1358660269.8948653.1453501883368.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20160122132313.661F695F@m0087791.ppops.net> <1358660269.8948653.1453501883368.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1009658075.10158051.1453503427120.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,just looked up the G.L. rules Section 9 piping systems, pumps & compressors.It says 1.2 Pipes which are led thriught the pressure hull are to be fitted with 2 shut off valves.One of which is to be fitted immediately at the hull wall.? ? In 3.3 it says " The compressed air supply is to be carried in at least 2 separate banks of receivers with thesame total volume."Alan From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Brian,can you split the HP air in to two lines so you have two HP lines coming in.That way if one line failed you would have a back up. Also if a HP line rupturedor connection broke, then you would only have half the pressure in the hull.Inside my ambient I never see HP air, but I have two separate air systems& valves to use both simultaneously or separately.I am not sure what other psubbers do. This is bound to be covered in the Busby book.? ?I have heard reference to ?subs being stuck in the mud through sitting on the bottom& coming up carrying a load of extra weight in the form of mud. I noticed in Carsten'svideo that he sat on the bottom & pivoted. I am guessing to let the divers out, butsounds like a good practice on a muddy sea bed.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Alan,?? The air would most likely vent thru the hatch and then I'd be at whatever pressure the ambient water pressure would be .? If there was no air to surface I guess I'd have to bail.?? I will have an additional tank outside the hull for filling the ballast however.? That will be for raising and lowering the sub with scuba while out side the sub.? I was thinking it would be kind of neat to set it on the bottom in about 30' water. That way I wouldn't have to anchor it !?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Brian,I questioned G.L. on a number of items in thier rules for submarines& there are some grey areas that you would have to argue the point overwith an inspector.One general rule is that no one failure can cause a major event.If the pipe failed at that elbow & you couldn't stop the flow of HP air,what sort of pressure could you be left with in the hull?Would you be able to blow the ballast tanks if you lost your airfrom that failure or do you have a redundant air supply?Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves ABS says " as close as possible"? I guess I'm ok with a short nipple coming off a elbow.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "PSubs " Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 Is there any distinction as to how close a HP?shut off valve or check valve has to be to the hull penetration so as to meet ABS requirements??? Can there be a short nipple between an elbow and the valve for instance??Brian Cox_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 21:09:16 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 02:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves In-Reply-To: <20160122174122.3229165F@m0087797.ppops.net> References: <20160122174122.3229165F@m0087797.ppops.net> Message-ID: <196819372.32741.1453514956564.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,It is nice to hear you ask about this stuff, that means your at the next stage.Hank On Friday, January 22, 2016 6:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,? Are the Kittridge subs all redundant in that respect??? ?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Brian,just looked up the G.L. rules Section 9 piping systems, pumps & compressors.It says 1.2 Pipes which are led thriught the pressure hull are to be fitted with 2 shut off valves.One of which is to be fitted immediately at the hull wall.? ? In 3.3 it says " The compressed air supply is to be carried in at least 2 separate banks of receivers with thesame total volume."Alan From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Brian,can you split the HP air in to two lines so you have two HP lines coming in.That way if one line failed you would have a back up. Also if a HP line rupturedor connection broke, then you would only have half the pressure in the hull.Inside my ambient I never see HP air, but I have two separate air systems& valves to use both simultaneously or separately.I am not sure what other psubbers do. This is bound to be covered in the Busby book.? ?I have heard reference to ?subs being stuck in the mud through sitting on the bottom& coming up carrying a load of extra weight in the form of mud. I noticed in Carsten'svideo that he sat on the bottom & pivoted. I am guessing to let the divers out, butsounds like a good practice on a muddy sea bed.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Alan,?? The air would most likely vent thru the hatch and then I'd be at whatever pressure the ambient water pressure would be .? If there was no air to surface I guess I'd have to bail.?? I will have an additional tank outside the hull for filling the ballast however.? That will be for raising and lowering the sub with scuba while out side the sub.? I was thinking it would be kind of neat to set it on the bottom in about 30' water. That way I wouldn't have to anchor it !?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Brian,I questioned G.L. on a number of items in thier rules for submarines& there are some grey areas that you would have to argue the point overwith an inspector.One general rule is that no one failure can cause a major event.If the pipe failed at that elbow & you couldn't stop the flow of HP air,what sort of pressure could you be left with in the hull?Would you be able to blow the ballast tanks if you lost your airfrom that failure or do you have a redundant air supply?Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves ABS says " as close as possible"? I guess I'm ok with a short nipple coming off a elbow.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "PSubs " Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 Is there any distinction as to how close a HP?shut off valve or check valve has to be to the hull penetration so as to meet ABS requirements??? Can there be a short nipple between an elbow and the valve for instance??Brian Cox_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 21:09:52 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 02:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves In-Reply-To: <20160122174122.3229165F@m0087797.ppops.net> References: <20160122174122.3229165F@m0087797.ppops.net> Message-ID: <2025995995.37104.1453514992262.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I don't know Brian, maybe Alec could answer that.G. L. have that golden rule that I quoted,Section 2 A.1..."Wherever expedient & feasible, submersibles are to be constructed in such a waythat failure of any single component cannot give rise to a dangerous situation."? ?That seems a good rule of thumb to design from.Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Alan,? Are the Kittridge subs all redundant in that respect??? ?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Brian,just looked up the G.L. rules Section 9 piping systems, pumps & compressors.It says 1.2 Pipes which are led thriught the pressure hull are to be fitted with 2 shut off valves.One of which is to be fitted immediately at the hull wall.? ? In 3.3 it says " The compressed air supply is to be carried in at least 2 separate banks of receivers with thesame total volume."Alan From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Brian,can you split the HP air in to two lines so you have two HP lines coming in.That way if one line failed you would have a back up. Also if a HP line rupturedor connection broke, then you would only have half the pressure in the hull.Inside my ambient I never see HP air, but I have two separate air systems& valves to use both simultaneously or separately.I am not sure what other psubbers do. This is bound to be covered in the Busby book.? ?I have heard reference to ?subs being stuck in the mud through sitting on the bottom& coming up carrying a load of extra weight in the form of mud. I noticed in Carsten'svideo that he sat on the bottom & pivoted. I am guessing to let the divers out, butsounds like a good practice on a muddy sea bed.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Alan,?? The air would most likely vent thru the hatch and then I'd be at whatever pressure the ambient water pressure would be .? If there was no air to surface I guess I'd have to bail.?? I will have an additional tank outside the hull for filling the ballast however.? That will be for raising and lowering the sub with scuba while out side the sub.? I was thinking it would be kind of neat to set it on the bottom in about 30' water. That way I wouldn't have to anchor it !?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Brian,I questioned G.L. on a number of items in thier rules for submarines& there are some grey areas that you would have to argue the point overwith an inspector.One general rule is that no one failure can cause a major event.If the pipe failed at that elbow & you couldn't stop the flow of HP air,what sort of pressure could you be left with in the hull?Would you be able to blow the ballast tanks if you lost your airfrom that failure or do you have a redundant air supply?Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves ABS says " as close as possible"? I guess I'm ok with a short nipple coming off a elbow.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "PSubs " Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 Is there any distinction as to how close a HP?shut off valve or check valve has to be to the hull penetration so as to meet ABS requirements??? Can there be a short nipple between an elbow and the valve for instance??Brian Cox_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 23:15:36 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:15:36 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves In-Reply-To: <2025995995.37104.1453514992262.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20160122174122.3229165F@m0087797.ppops.net> <2025995995.37104.1453514992262.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The original Kittredge arrangement is two SCUBA tanks inside the hull, with ball valves allowing you to switch between them. On Snoopy I moved the tanks outside, with independent HP lines into the hull. They had separate hull stops, and from those were combined in a manifold. The HP lines had check valves so that air could only enter the manifold but not back up, so that if for whatever reason (say a blown tank valve O ring) you lost pressure in one of the tanks, its check valve would prevent the manifold and the second tank from emptying. In Shackleton I have reproduced the same exact arrangement except everything but the gauges and BIBS has moved outside. Best, Alec On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:09 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I don't know Brian, maybe Alec could answer that. > G. L. have that golden rule that I quoted, > Section 2 A.1..."Wherever expedient & feasible, submersibles are to be > constructed in such a way > that failure of any single component cannot give rise to a dangerous > situation." > That seems a good rule of thumb to design from. > Cheers Alan > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 2:41 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves > > Alan, Are the Kittridge subs all redundant in that respect? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) > > Brian, > just looked up the G.L. rules Section 9 piping systems, pumps & > compressors. > It says 1.2 Pipes which are led thriught the pressure hull are to be > fitted with 2 shut off valves. > One of which is to be fitted immediately at the hull wall. > In 3.3 it says " The compressed air supply is to be carried in at > least 2 separate banks of receivers with the > same total volume." > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:31 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves > > Brian, > can you split the HP air in to two lines so you have two HP lines coming > in. > That way if one line failed you would have a back up. Also if a HP line > ruptured > or connection broke, then you would only have half the pressure in the > hull. > Inside my ambient I never see HP air, but I have two separate air systems > & valves to use both simultaneously or separately. > I am not sure what other psubbers do. This is bound to be covered in the > Busby book. > I have heard reference to subs being stuck in the mud through sitting > on the bottom > & coming up carrying a load of extra weight in the form of mud. I noticed > in Carsten's > video that he sat on the bottom & pivoted. I am guessing to let the divers > out, but > sounds like a good practice on a muddy sea bed. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:23 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves > > Alan, The air would most likely vent thru the hatch and then I'd be at > whatever pressure the ambient water pressure would be . If there was no > air to surface I guess I'd have to bail. I will have an additional tank > outside the hull for filling the ballast however. That will be for raising > and lowering the sub with scuba while out side the sub. I was thinking it > would be kind of neat to set it on the bottom in about 30' water. That way > I wouldn't have to anchor it ! > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) > > Hi Brian, > I questioned G.L. on a number of items in thier rules for submarines > & there are some grey areas that you would have to argue the point over > with an inspector. > One general rule is that no one failure can cause a major event. > If the pipe failed at that elbow & you couldn't stop the flow of HP air, > what sort of pressure could you be left with in the hull? > Would you be able to blow the ballast tanks if you lost your air > from that failure or do you have a redundant air supply? > Cheers Alan > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 6:34 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves > > ABS says " as close as possible" I guess I'm ok with a short nipple > coming off a elbow. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "PSubs " > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 > > Is there any distinction as to how close a HP shut off valve or check > valve has to be to the hull penetration so as to meet ABS requirements? > Can there be a short nipple between an elbow and the valve for instance? > > Brian Cox > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 22 23:45:22 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 04:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves References: <948899967.78611.1453524322244.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <948899967.78611.1453524322244.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Alec, What kind of gauges are you using. Pete -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/22/16, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Friday, January 22, 2016, 10:15 PM The original Kittredge arrangement is two SCUBA tanks inside the hull, with ball valves allowing you to switch between them. On Snoopy I moved the tanks outside, with independent HP lines into the hull. They had separate hull stops, and from those were combined in a manifold. The HP lines had check valves so that air could only enter the manifold but not back up, so that if for whatever reason (say a blown tank valve O ring) you lost pressure in one of the tanks, its check valve would prevent the manifold and the second tank from emptying. In Shackleton I have reproduced the same exact arrangement except everything but the gauges and BIBS has moved outside.? Best, Alec? On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:09 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I don't know Brian, maybe Alec could answer that.G. L. have that golden rule that I quoted,Section 2 A.1..."Wherever expedient & feasible, submersibles are to be constructed in such a waythat failure of any single component cannot give rise to a dangerous situation."? ?That seems a good rule of thumb to design from.Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Alan,? Are the Kittridge subs all redundant in that respect??? ?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Brian,just looked up the G.L. rules Section 9 piping systems, pumps & compressors.It says 1.2 Pipes which are led thriught the pressure hull are to be fitted with 2 shut off valves.One of which is to be fitted immediately at the hull wall.? ? In 3.3 it says " The compressed air supply is to be carried in at least 2 separate banks of receivers with thesame total volume."Alan From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Brian,can you split the HP air in to two lines so you have two HP lines coming in.That way if one line failed you would have a back up. Also if a HP line rupturedor connection broke, then you would only have half the pressure in the hull.Inside my ambient I never see HP air, but I have two separate air systems& valves to use both simultaneously or separately.I am not sure what other psubbers do. This is bound to be covered in the Busby book.? ?I have heard reference to ?subs being stuck in the mud through sitting on the bottom& coming up carrying a load of extra weight in the form of mud. I noticed in Carsten'svideo that he sat on the bottom & pivoted. I am guessing to let the divers out, butsounds like a good practice on a muddy sea bed.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Alan,?? The air would most likely vent thru the hatch and then I'd be at whatever pressure the ambient water pressure would be .? If there was no air to surface I guess I'd have to bail.?? I will have an additional tank outside the hull for filling the ballast however.? That will be for raising and lowering the sub with scuba while out side the sub.? I was thinking it would be kind of neat to set it on the bottom in about 30' water. That way I wouldn't have to anchor it !?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Brian,I questioned G.L. on a number of items in thier rules for submarines& there are some grey areas that you would have to argue the point overwith an inspector.One general rule is that no one failure can cause a major event.If the pipe failed at that elbow & you couldn't stop the flow of HP air,what sort of pressure could you be left with in the hull?Would you be able to blow the ballast tanks if you lost your airfrom that failure or do you have a redundant air supply?Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves ABS says " as close as possible"? I guess I'm ok with a short nipple coming off a elbow.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "PSubs " Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 Is there any distinction as to how close a HP?shut off valve or check valve has to be to the hull penetration so as to meet ABS requirements??? Can there be a short nipple between an elbow and the valve for instance??Brian Cox _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 23 07:04:50 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves In-Reply-To: <20160122182342.37C9504D@m0086238.ppops.net> References: <20160122182342.37C9504D@m0086238.ppops.net> Message-ID: <188902321.108284.1453550690722.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,Wow a 2 inch valve seems very big. ?Your sub will go down fast. ?I know what you mean about the valve being stiff, my flood valve is the same. ?Consider sticking with a 1 inch ball, it will be cheaper and just as fast by the time you thread the gate ?valve open you could have been under with the one inch ball valve. ? I am assuming your using a sliding gate valve, not a butterfly?Hank On Friday, January 22, 2016 7:23 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,?????????????????? ?I think I'm going to opt for a 2" gate valve instead of the 2" ball I was going to use ( for my main ballast).? The 2" ball valve is not very easy to turn and I don't want to be dealing with a problem like that underwater.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 02:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Brian,It is nice to hear you ask about this stuff, that means your at the next stage.Hank On Friday, January 22, 2016 6:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,? Are the Kittridge subs all redundant in that respect??? ?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Brian,just looked up the G.L. rules Section 9 piping systems, pumps & compressors.It says 1.2 Pipes which are led thriught the pressure hull are to be fitted with 2 shut off valves.One of which is to be fitted immediately at the hull wall.? ? In 3.3 it says " The compressed air supply is to be carried in at least 2 separate banks of receivers with thesame total volume."Alan From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Brian,can you split the HP air in to two lines so you have two HP lines coming in.That way if one line failed you would have a back up. Also if a HP line rupturedor connection broke, then you would only have half the pressure in the hull.Inside my ambient I never see HP air, but I have two separate air systems& valves to use both simultaneously or separately.I am not sure what other psubbers do. This is bound to be covered in the Busby book.? ?I have heard reference to ?subs being stuck in the mud through sitting on the bottom& coming up carrying a load of extra weight in the form of mud. I noticed in Carsten'svideo that he sat on the bottom & pivoted. I am guessing to let the divers out, butsounds like a good practice on a muddy sea bed.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Alan,?? The air would most likely vent thru the hatch and then I'd be at whatever pressure the ambient water pressure would be .? If there was no air to surface I guess I'd have to bail.?? I will have an additional tank outside the hull for filling the ballast however.? That will be for raising and lowering the sub with scuba while out side the sub.? I was thinking it would be kind of neat to set it on the bottom in about 30' water. That way I wouldn't have to anchor it !?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Brian,I questioned G.L. on a number of items in thier rules for submarines& there are some grey areas that you would have to argue the point overwith an inspector.One general rule is that no one failure can cause a major event.If the pipe failed at that elbow & you couldn't stop the flow of HP air,what sort of pressure could you be left with in the hull?Would you be able to blow the ballast tanks if you lost your airfrom that failure or do you have a redundant air supply?Cheers Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves ABS says " as close as possible"? I guess I'm ok with a short nipple coming off a elbow.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "PSubs " Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hp valves Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:34:43 -0800 Is there any distinction as to how close a HP?shut off valve or check valve has to be to the hull penetration so as to meet ABS requirements??? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jan 25 01:35:21 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:35:21 +1100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gauges and vacuum In-Reply-To: <20160124215943.975F5813@m0087798.ppops.net> References: <20160124215943.975F5813@m0087798.ppops.net> Message-ID: Hi Brian, I recently went through an evaluation of some gauges I got - it was rather fun destroying them and a photo of the ruined internals is here: https://www.facebook.com/tfmengineeringaust/photos/pcb.777589079041244/777589062374579/?type=3&theatre The bourdon tube flexes slightly with pressure and drives a rack and pinion mechanism that turns the needle. >From a pressure perspective nothing catastrophically dangerous should happen (although make sure the case of any gauges can equalise with vacuum around it) but if you have a vacuum in the process bit of the gauge and 1atm in the case, the needle will try to go below the zero reading point and possibly mess up the zero point because the needle will be pushed against the zero point stopper quite hard. Easy ways to prevent this could include: 1. Make sure the pressure in the process connection and the case of the gauge are the same (ie. open the case and the process connection so they both see vacuum) 2. Keep the pressure in the process connection above the case pressure (ie. by locking some gas in or keeping open to 1atm outside the sub while you pull vacuum on it) Cheers, Steve On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Would anyone know if having a pressure gauge or a sea-water depth gauge in > a vacuum environment could adversely affect the gauge? Since I'm not to > savy with the internal workings of analog pressure gauges I thought I might > ask the group. 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Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive > sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in > Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend > visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero > visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. > > Clif > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 27 18:32:31 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:32:31 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Surface speed is 3 knots. The limit is not the thrusters but the bow wave that obstructs the pilots view at speeds over this. The electric issue was when I designed the part that screws into the MK-101 lower unit that holds the electrical penetrator, I should have chamfered the inside away from the seal. When I inserted the pigtails for the electrical penetrator and tightened up the penetrator, the rotation causes the threads to cut into the pigtail insulation even though I had shrink insulation over the pigtails. To resolve the issues, I used several layers of shrink tubing over each wire and over the overall pigtail and reinserted. This solved the problem. Comms worked flawlessly, both VHF and OTS. Issue I had on last outing was the base VHF had radio had an electrical failure that caused the unit to be able to receive but not send. The issue I had on the OTS towards the end of the previous dive was that the transponder was in a very shallow area and I had inadvertently had squelch turned on for the unit in the submersible. I sure would like to take the boat to New York PSub convention and do a max depth qualification. It would be a very long tow. Cliff On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Woo-hoo, good to see! It looks like your surfaced speed was terrific, I'm > very curious what speed that was. And what did the electrical issue turn > out to be? And the comms fixed too? > > Best, > > Alec > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Lake Amistad 2016 is a >> link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to >> date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive >> sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in >> Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend >> visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero >> visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. >> >> Clif >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The limit is not the thrusters but the bow wave > that obstructs the pilots view at speeds over this. The electric issue was > when I designed the part that screws into the MK-101 lower unit that holds > the electrical penetrator, I should have chamfered the inside away from the > seal. When I inserted the pigtails for the electrical penetrator > and tightened up the penetrator, the rotation causes the threads to cut > into the pigtail insulation even though I had shrink insulation over the > pigtails. To resolve the issues, I used several layers of shrink tubing > over each wire and over the overall pigtail and reinserted. This solved > the problem. > > Comms worked flawlessly, both VHF and OTS. Issue I had on last outing was > the base VHF had radio had an electrical failure that caused the unit to be > able to receive but not send. The issue I had on the OTS towards the end > of the previous dive was that the transponder was in a very shallow area > and I had inadvertently had squelch turned on for the unit in the > submersible. > > I sure would like to take the boat to New York PSub convention and do a > max depth qualification. It would be a very long tow. > > Cliff > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Woo-hoo, good to see! It looks like your surfaced speed was terrific, I'm >> very curious what speed that was. And what did the electrical issue turn >> out to be? And the comms fixed too? >> >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Lake Amistad 2016 is a >>> link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to >>> date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive >>> sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in >>> Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend >>> visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero >>> visibilty at 154 ft. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 27 19:08:45 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:08:45 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: <20160127163718.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e313bf323f.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> References: <20160127163718.49e8347f125ba4e1b2aff75c01b07c1e.e313bf323f.wbe@email13.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Scott, in order for me to get a special use permit to dive the boat at this Federal lake, I had to agree to have the US National Park Service have a boat in the water and cover the cost of the boat an four rangers for the day. I gave them a briefing to start the day. They had two concerns that prompted the boat and rangers. The first is my dive plan call for a dive that was deeper the recreational dive limit so they wanted to know what the plan for rescue during the deep dive and the second was that the dive location for the deep dive was right in the middle of the channel and they were afraid that boat traffic would be an issue. Also as this lake shares a border with Mexico, I guess they were afraid I was going to morph into a drug submarine. Even though they were costly, they were supportive but did monitor my VHF dive channel. Cliff On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:37 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Nice video Cliff. Looks like you got a visit from the police with the SUV > there on the boat ramp. > > Thank you, > Scott Waters > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > > Date: Wed, January 27, 2016 4:07 pm > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Lake Amistad 2016 is a > link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to > date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive > sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in > Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend > visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero > visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. > > Clif > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 27 19:14:30 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:14:30 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you don't mind me asking, what was the cost for the car hauler for the trip? One other point on the OTS comms. During the day we did a speed calibration by towing the boat submerged up to 7 knots. FYI I found that over 3 knots, we were unable to communicate with OTS gear. When we slowed the boats to 3 knots, we could reacquire comms. Cliff On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I wonder if it would be worth shipping the sub on its trailer with a car > hauler? That's how I got Snoopy down from Canada and it was surprisingly > reasonable. > > Thanks, > > Alec > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Surface speed is 3 knots. The limit is not the thrusters but the bow >> wave that obstructs the pilots view at speeds over this. The electric >> issue was when I designed the part that screws into the MK-101 lower unit >> that holds the electrical penetrator, I should have chamfered the inside >> away from the seal. When I inserted the pigtails for the electrical >> penetrator and tightened up the penetrator, the rotation causes the threads >> to cut into the pigtail insulation even though I had shrink insulation over >> the pigtails. To resolve the issues, I used several layers of shrink >> tubing over each wire and over the overall pigtail and reinserted. This >> solved the problem. >> >> Comms worked flawlessly, both VHF and OTS. Issue I had on last outing >> was the base VHF had radio had an electrical failure that caused the unit >> to be able to receive but not send. The issue I had on the OTS towards the >> end of the previous dive was that the transponder was in a very shallow >> area and I had inadvertently had squelch turned on for the unit in the >> submersible. >> >> I sure would like to take the boat to New York PSub convention and do a >> max depth qualification. It would be a very long tow. >> >> Cliff >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Woo-hoo, good to see! It looks like your surfaced speed was terrific, >>> I'm very curious what speed that was. And what did the electrical issue >>> turn out to be? And the comms fixed too? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Lake Amistad 2016 is a >>>> link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to >>>> date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive >>>> sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in >>>> Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend >>>> visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero >>>> visibilty at 154 ft. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 27 19:28:15 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (swaters@waters-ks.com via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:28:15 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad Message-ID: Gotta love it when the government gets involved. I got hassled really badly on my last dive in Beaver Lake, Arkansas.? Thanks,Scott? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Date: 01/27/2016 6:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad Scott, in order for me to get a special use permit to dive the boat at this Federal lake, I had to agree to have the US National Park Service have a boat in the water and cover the cost of the boat an four rangers for the day.? I gave them a briefing to start the day.? They had two concerns that prompted the boat and rangers.? The first is my dive plan call for a dive that was deeper the recreational dive limit so?they wanted to know?what the plan?for rescue during the deep dive?and the second was that the dive location for the deep dive was right in the middle of the channel and they were afraid that boat traffic would be an issue.? Also as this lake shares a border with Mexico, I guess they were afraid I was going to morph into a drug submarine.? Even though they were costly, they were supportive? but did monitor my VHF dive channel. Cliff On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:37 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Nice video Cliff.?Looks like?you got a visit from the police?with the SUV there on the boat ramp. ? Thank you, Scott Waters? ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Date: Wed, January 27, 2016 4:07 pm To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ?Lake Amistad 2016?is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend.? This is the deepest dive to date with the boat.? Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out.? The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest.? Having said that, last weekend visibility was bad.? Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero visibilty at 154 ft.? Still if was fun to get the deep dive in.? Clif _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 27 22:06:48 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:06:48 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Cliff, I can't actually remember the amount, it was when I bought Snoopy and that was really ages ago. However, I recently got a quotation for transporting a small car from a company that can give you an instant quote online: http://www.rileyautotransport.com/ It asks you for the make and model of the car, so if you pick something more or less the size of R300 on its trailer you should get at least an order-of-magnitude number. Best, Alec On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > If you don't mind me asking, what was the cost for the car hauler for the > trip? > > One other point on the OTS comms. During the day we did a speed > calibration by towing the boat submerged up to 7 knots. FYI I found that > over 3 knots, we were unable to communicate with OTS gear. When we slowed > the boats to 3 knots, we could reacquire comms. > > Cliff > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> I wonder if it would be worth shipping the sub on its trailer with a car >> hauler? That's how I got Snoopy down from Canada and it was surprisingly >> reasonable. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Alec >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Surface speed is 3 knots. The limit is not the thrusters but the bow >>> wave that obstructs the pilots view at speeds over this. The electric >>> issue was when I designed the part that screws into the MK-101 lower unit >>> that holds the electrical penetrator, I should have chamfered the inside >>> away from the seal. When I inserted the pigtails for the electrical >>> penetrator and tightened up the penetrator, the rotation causes the threads >>> to cut into the pigtail insulation even though I had shrink insulation over >>> the pigtails. To resolve the issues, I used several layers of shrink >>> tubing over each wire and over the overall pigtail and reinserted. This >>> solved the problem. >>> >>> Comms worked flawlessly, both VHF and OTS. Issue I had on last outing >>> was the base VHF had radio had an electrical failure that caused the unit >>> to be able to receive but not send. The issue I had on the OTS towards the >>> end of the previous dive was that the transponder was in a very shallow >>> area and I had inadvertently had squelch turned on for the unit in the >>> submersible. >>> >>> I sure would like to take the boat to New York PSub convention and do a >>> max depth qualification. It would be a very long tow. >>> >>> Cliff >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Woo-hoo, good to see! It looks like your surfaced speed was terrific, >>>> I'm very curious what speed that was. And what did the electrical issue >>>> turn out to be? And the comms fixed too? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Alec >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lake Amistad 2016 is a >>>>> link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to >>>>> date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive >>>>> sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in >>>>> Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend >>>>> visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero >>>>> visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. >>>>> >>>>> Clif >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jan 27 22:07:59 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:07:59 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, actually on that website under Services, I see "Cross country boat transport". On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Alec Smyth wrote: > Hi Cliff, > > I can't actually remember the amount, it was when I bought Snoopy and that > was really ages ago. However, I recently got a quotation for transporting a > small car from a company that can give you an instant quote online: > http://www.rileyautotransport.com/ > > It asks you for the make and model of the car, so if you pick something > more or less the size of R300 on its trailer you should get at least an > order-of-magnitude number. > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> If you don't mind me asking, what was the cost for the car hauler for the >> trip? >> >> One other point on the OTS comms. During the day we did a speed >> calibration by towing the boat submerged up to 7 knots. FYI I found that >> over 3 knots, we were unable to communicate with OTS gear. When we slowed >> the boats to 3 knots, we could reacquire comms. >> >> Cliff >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> I wonder if it would be worth shipping the sub on its trailer with a car >>> hauler? That's how I got Snoopy down from Canada and it was surprisingly >>> reasonable. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Surface speed is 3 knots. The limit is not the thrusters but the bow >>>> wave that obstructs the pilots view at speeds over this. The electric >>>> issue was when I designed the part that screws into the MK-101 lower unit >>>> that holds the electrical penetrator, I should have chamfered the inside >>>> away from the seal. When I inserted the pigtails for the electrical >>>> penetrator and tightened up the penetrator, the rotation causes the threads >>>> to cut into the pigtail insulation even though I had shrink insulation over >>>> the pigtails. To resolve the issues, I used several layers of shrink >>>> tubing over each wire and over the overall pigtail and reinserted. This >>>> solved the problem. >>>> >>>> Comms worked flawlessly, both VHF and OTS. Issue I had on last outing >>>> was the base VHF had radio had an electrical failure that caused the unit >>>> to be able to receive but not send. The issue I had on the OTS towards the >>>> end of the previous dive was that the transponder was in a very shallow >>>> area and I had inadvertently had squelch turned on for the unit in the >>>> submersible. >>>> >>>> I sure would like to take the boat to New York PSub convention and do a >>>> max depth qualification. It would be a very long tow. >>>> >>>> Cliff >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Woo-hoo, good to see! It looks like your surfaced speed was terrific, >>>>> I'm very curious what speed that was. And what did the electrical issue >>>>> turn out to be? And the comms fixed too? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Alec >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Lake Amistad 2016 is >>>>>> a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to >>>>>> date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive >>>>>> sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in >>>>>> Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend >>>>>> visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero >>>>>> visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Clif >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wait till you get in to some reallyclear water, you will be blown away.Cheers Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad ?Lake Amistad 2016?is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend.? This is the deepest dive to date with the boat.? Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out.? The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest.? Having said that, last weekend visibility was bad.? Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero visibilty at 154 ft.? Still if was fun to get the deep dive in.? Clif _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 08:53:08 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Juergen Guerrero Kommritz via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1119332238.2493678.1453989188328.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Nice video! Thank youBest wishesJuergen Alan James via Personal_Submersibles schrieb am 22:45 Mittwoch, 27.Januar 2016: Thanks Cliff,congratulations on getting the refit finished.How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas.?What was the steering like on surface & diving.I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons for that, I thought that tale section would just be anappendage now.That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some reallyclear water, you will be blown away.Cheers Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad ?Lake Amistad 2016?is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend.? This is the deepest dive to date with the boat.? Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out.? The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest.? Having said that, last weekend visibility was bad.? Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero visibilty at 154 ft.? Still if was fun to get the deep dive in.? Clif _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 09:40:46 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:40:46 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! Cliff On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Cliff, > congratulations on getting the refit finished. > How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. > What was the steering like on surface & diving. > I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons > for that, I thought that tale section would just be an > appendage now. > That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really > clear water, you will be blown away. > Cheers Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > Lake Amistad 2016 is a > link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to > date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive > sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in > Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend > visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero > visibilty at 154 ft. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 13:47:21 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <112167860.1809408.1454006841435.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, sounds like you have done a Cliff special on your control system.How do you get your pitch, is that through weight transfer or pumps?That's quite an amazing saving on battery usage.If you do find water in the motors....there is a good article in the Psub archiveson modifying Minn kotas for deep diving. I think I re-posted it a while back.? ?You are welcome down here for a dive. There are places with 200ft+ visibilitybut they are about 10 miles off shore. Keith Gordon lives in view of a set ofIslands regarded by Jacques Cousteau as one of the top 10 diving spots inthe World. He also owns salvage rights to a ship purported to have?$3 million worth of gold still on it. ? It might be more viable to wait till Hugh & I have our subs going, & dive them.Cheers Alan?? From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy.? Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are super quite.?I use a foot control that you?tilt forward?to increase speed of?stern thrusters and if you?tilt the foot control back you can reverse the stern thrusters.??With this I now have brakes.?? I have a 3-axis joy stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC.?I programed three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in which?starboard-port movement?generates roll, the second in which?I switch them over to momentary? switches for up and down movement and have?them locked together and a third in?which I have them back on the joystick but lock out roll.? I use the first mode when I want?to fly underwater with full pitch, roll and yaw control.? I use the second mode for vertical ascent or decent and the third mode which?gives yaw and pitch movement but?locks out?roll movement.??On the surface I have to be careful not to?apply ?full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate.?On the ascent from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure compensate the thrusters.? Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters for pressure compensation.? I have not done so yet but I plan on disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment during the dive.? I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters.? After a full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%.? With my previous drive train, my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours.? As to boat length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft.?I also shortened the trailer by 3 ft.? As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am going to find some clear water.? How you doing for garage space?? I sure you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! Cliff On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Cliff,congratulations on getting the refit finished.How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas.?What was the steering like on surface & diving.I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons for that, I thought that tale section would just be anappendage now.That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some reallyclear water, you will be blown away.Cheers Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad ?Lake Amistad 2016?is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend.? This is the deepest dive to date with the boat.? Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out.? The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 14:55:00 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:55:00 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. Regards, Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! Cliff On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Cliff, congratulations on getting the refit finished. How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. What was the steering like on surface & diving. I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons for that, I thought that tale section would just be an appendage now. That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really clear water, you will be blown away. Cheers Alan _____ From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad Lake Amistad 2016 is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. Clif _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 15:36:03 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:36:03 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: <112167860.1809408.1454006841435.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <112167860.1809408.1454006841435.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Neither, I use the vertical thrusters. When I am moving forward submerged, when I pull the joystick pack, it generated a downward force at the location of the vertical thrusters. The stern planes prevent the stern of the boat from moving up so the net effect is pitching up. When I am not moving forward because the location of the vertical thrusters is just forward of the CG of the boat, when I pull back on the joystick, the boat pitches up just slightly during the ascent. That's not a bad idea on Curacao. It would be a lot closer for me and the water vis would be out of this world. As to diving in New Zealand, just tell me when your are Hugh get your boats ready and I am on a plane down your way! Regards On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks, sounds like you have done a Cliff special on your control system. > How do you get your pitch, is that through weight transfer or pumps? > That's quite an amazing saving on battery usage. > If you do find water in the motors....there is a good article in the Psub > archives > on modifying Minn kotas for deep diving. I think I re-posted it a while > back. > You are welcome down here for a dive. There are places with 200ft+ > visibility > but they are about 10 miles off shore. Keith Gordon lives in view of a set > of > Islands regarded by Jacques Cousteau as one of the top 10 diving spots in > the World. He also owns salvage rights to a ship purported to have > $3 million worth of gold still on it. > It might be more viable to wait till Hugh & I have our subs going, & dive > them. > Cheers Alan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2016 3:40 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. > Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are > super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed > of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse > the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy > stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed > three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in > which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch > them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them > locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but > lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with > full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical > ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement > but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not > to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent > from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of > bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure > compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data > and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters > for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on > disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment > during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a > full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, > my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat > length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the > trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I > could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. > > After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am > going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure > you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! > > Cliff > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks Cliff, > congratulations on getting the refit finished. > How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. > What was the steering like on surface & diving. > I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons > for that, I thought that tale section would just be an > appendage now. > That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really > clear water, you will be blown away. > Cheers Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > Lake Amistad 2016 is a > link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to > date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive > sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in > Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend > visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero > visibilty at 154 ft. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 15:46:16 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:46:16 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. > > I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the > surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. > > Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and > then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. > > Regards, Hugh > > > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > > > Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. > Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are > super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed > of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse > the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy > stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed > three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in > which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch > them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them > locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but > lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with > full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical > ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement > but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not > to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent > from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of > bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure > compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data > and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters > for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on > disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment > during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a > full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, > my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat > length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the > trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I > could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. > > > > After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am > going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure > you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! > > > > Cliff > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks Cliff, > > congratulations on getting the refit finished. > > How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. > > What was the steering like on surface & diving. > > I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons > > for that, I thought that tale section would just be an > > appendage now. > > That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really > > clear water, you will be blown away. > > Cheers Alan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > > > Lake Amistad 2016 is a > link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to > date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive > sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in > Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend > visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero > visibilty at 154 ft. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 16:25:07 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:25:07 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. Best, Alec On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve > surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the > last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little > lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, > I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. > One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment > lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" > forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location > should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow > speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. > > Cliff > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. >> >> I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the >> surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. >> >> Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and >> then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. >> >> Regards, Hugh >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >> >> >> >> Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. >> Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are >> super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed >> of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse >> the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy >> stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed >> three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in >> which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch >> them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them >> locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but >> lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with >> full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical >> ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement >> but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not >> to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent >> from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of >> bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure >> compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data >> and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters >> for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on >> disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment >> during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a >> full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, >> my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat >> length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the >> trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I >> could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. >> >> >> >> After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I >> am going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure >> you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! >> >> >> >> Cliff >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Thanks Cliff, >> >> congratulations on getting the refit finished. >> >> How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. >> >> What was the steering like on surface & diving. >> >> I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons >> >> for that, I thought that tale section would just be an >> >> appendage now. >> >> That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really >> >> clear water, you will be blown away. >> >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >> >> >> >> Lake Amistad 2016 is a >> link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to >> date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive >> sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in >> Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend >> visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero >> visibilty at 154 ft. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 17:18:01 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 22:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Cliff,I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon.Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed.Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit.To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out,also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the hull & in to the?hatch.Alan From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. Best, Alec On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll.??I found on the last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little lift ?and get anther couple of knots on the surface.?To conserve batteries, I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles.? One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment lug?closer to the bottom of the bow? I would screw this lug?into the 2" forward MBT flood port.? I think towing from this lower location should?counter act the bow wave to some degree.? If I could get the tow speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cliff,? Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling.I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the surface due to the bow wave/visibility.? Makes sense.Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and then increase speed.? Could try on a model in a pool.Regards,? Hugh??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad?Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy.? Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are super quite.?I use a foot control that you?tilt forward?to increase speed of?stern thrusters and if you?tilt the foot control back you can reverse the stern thrusters.??With this I now have brakes.?? I have a 3-axis joy stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC.?I programed three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in which?starboard-port movement?generates roll, the second in which?I switch them over to momentary? switches for up and down movement and have?them locked together and a third in?which I have them back on the joystick but lock out roll.? I use the first mode when I want?to fly underwater with full pitch, roll and yaw control.? I use the second mode for vertical ascent or decent and the third mode which?gives yaw and pitch movement but?locks out?roll movement.??On the surface I have to be careful not to?apply ?full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate.?On the ascent from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure compensate the thrusters.? Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters for pressure compensation.? I have not done so yet but I plan on disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment during the dive.? I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters.? After a full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%.? With my previous drive train, my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours.? As to boat length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft.?I also shortened the trailer by 3 ft.? As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling.?After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am going to find some clear water.? How you doing for garage space?? I sure you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand!?Cliff?On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote:Thanks Cliff,congratulations on getting the refit finished.How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas.?What was the steering like on surface & diving.I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasonsfor that, I thought that tale section would just be anappendage now.That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some reallyclear water, you will be blown away.Cheers Alan??From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad??Lake Amistad 2016?is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend.? This is the deepest dive to date with the boat.? Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out.? The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest.? Having said that, last weekend visibility was bad.? Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero visibilty at 154 ft.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 17:34:51 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 22:34:51 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cliff, great job. Any ideas as to why the comms system was having an issue with the increased speed? We're you able test the comms with the same speed while submerged? Best Regards, David Colombo On Thu, Jan 28, 2016, 2:21 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Cliff, > I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon. > Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed. > Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit. > To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out, > also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the hull > & in to the > hatch. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could > go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your > bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so > slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. > > Best, > > Alec > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve > surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the > last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little > lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, > I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. > One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment > lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" > forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location > should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow > speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. > > Cliff > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. > I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the > surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. > Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and > then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. > Regards, Hugh > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. > Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are > super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed > of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse > the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy > stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed > three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in > which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch > them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them > locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but > lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with > full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical > ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement > but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not > to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent > from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of > bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure > compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data > and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters > for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on > disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment > during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a > full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, > my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat > length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the > trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I > could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. > > After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am > going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure > you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! > > Cliff > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Cliff, > congratulations on getting the refit finished. > How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. > What was the steering like on surface & diving. > I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons > for that, I thought that tale section would just be an > appendage now. > That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really > clear water, you will be blown away. > Cheers Alan > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > Lake Amistad 2016 is a > link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to > date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive > sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in > Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend > visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero > visibilty at 154 ft. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 18:10:29 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cheap syntactic foam References: <1860938067.1495109.1454022629356.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1860938067.1495109.1454022629356.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In an effort to come up with a cheap solution to creating buoyancy-I did some pressure testing on different ideas. ?I have had success with sanded plywood, I tested bare plywood, and plywood coated with gel coat. ?Not surprisingly ? the bare wood almost doubled in weight but remained buoyant and is still drying out. The wood seems to be holding the water permanently. ?The test with gel coat was a total success. ? After one hr at 800psi the weight is exactly the same. ?For every two pounds of plywood you get one pound of buoyancy. ? I have ordered trawl floats for my new deep diver ?but I thought it would be an interesting experiment.Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 19:40:48 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:40:48 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Alec, I had two reasons to do the submerged tow, the first was to calibrate my speed sensor. The second was, as you alluded, to check out the feasibly of towing the boat submerged at higher speeds. The issues of lost comms. to me is a deal breaker for submerged towing from a safety perspective. To make this work, the pilot has to be in contact with tow boat. We were busy focusing on the speed calibration so I want to try the submerged towing again but this time running just submerged so that my VHF antenna sticks out of the water a bit. I think that I should be able to maintain VHF comms if I don't completely submerge the antenna. I will evealuated this the next time I take the boat out. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could > go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your > bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so > slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. > > Best, > > Alec > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve >> surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the >> last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little >> lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, >> I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. >> One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment >> lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" >> forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location >> should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow >> speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. >> >> Cliff >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. >>> >>> I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the >>> surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. >>> >>> Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and >>> then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. >>> >>> Regards, Hugh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >>> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via >>> Personal_Submersibles >>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. >>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >>> >>> >>> >>> Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. >>> Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are >>> super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed >>> of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse >>> the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy >>> stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed >>> three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in >>> which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch >>> them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them >>> locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but >>> lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with >>> full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical >>> ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement >>> but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not >>> to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent >>> from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of >>> bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure >>> compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data >>> and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters >>> for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on >>> disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment >>> during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a >>> full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, >>> my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat >>> length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the >>> trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I >>> could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. >>> >>> >>> >>> After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I >>> am going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure >>> you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! >>> >>> >>> >>> Cliff >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Cliff, >>> >>> congratulations on getting the refit finished. >>> >>> How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. >>> >>> What was the steering like on surface & diving. >>> >>> I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons >>> >>> for that, I thought that tale section would just be an >>> >>> appendage now. >>> >>> That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some >>> really >>> >>> clear water, you will be blown away. >>> >>> Cheers Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >>> >>> >>> >>> Lake Amistad 2016 is a >>> link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to >>> date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive >>> sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in >>> Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend >>> visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero >>> visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. >>> >>> >>> >>> Clif >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 19:43:57 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:43:57 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan, I have thought about building this kind of system. Have you ever worked with materials like they make pontoon boats out of? I wonder how hard it would be to seal. Sounds like another project. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Cliff, > I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon. > Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed. > Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit. > To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out, > also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the hull > & in to the > hatch. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could > go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your > bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so > slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. > > Best, > > Alec > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve > surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the > last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little > lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, > I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. > One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment > lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" > forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location > should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow > speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. > > Cliff > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. > I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the > surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. > Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and > then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. > Regards, Hugh > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. > Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are > super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed > of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse > the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy > stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed > three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in > which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch > them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them > locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but > lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with > full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical > ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement > but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not > to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent > from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of > bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure > compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data > and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters > for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on > disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment > during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a > full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, > my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat > length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the > trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I > could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. > > After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am > going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure > you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! > > Cliff > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Cliff, > congratulations on getting the refit finished. > How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. > What was the steering like on surface & diving. > I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons > for that, I thought that tale section would just be an > appendage now. > That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really > clear water, you will be blown away. > Cheers Alan > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > Lake Amistad 2016 is a > link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to > date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive > sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in > Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend > visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero > visibilty at 154 ft. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 19:54:56 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:54:56 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, I am not an acoustics guy but I am assuming the wave noise is some how washing out the transponder. I never lost OTS comms at any speed when the tender boat was stationary or moving slowly. Makes me wonder if we could get the transponder deeper if we would lose comms. Not sure I want a long dangling transponder. Do you remember at the *Islamorada* Psub conference were we had one of the transponder cables cut by a prop. What is different about this application is that we have a tow rope between the psub and tender vessel. So maybe we could use some ties and secure the transponder head to the tow rope maybe 20 feet out from the tender boat. Sounds like another test for my next outing. BTW, how is the design work coming on your boat? Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:34 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Cliff, great job. Any ideas as to why the comms system was having an issue > with the increased speed? We're you able test the comms with the same > speed while submerged? > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016, 2:21 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Cliff, >> I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon. >> Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed. >> Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit. >> To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out, >> also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the hull >> & in to the >> hatch. >> Alan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >> >> If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could >> go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your >> bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so >> slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. >> >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve >> surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the >> last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little >> lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, >> I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. >> One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment >> lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" >> forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location >> should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow >> speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. >> >> Cliff >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. >> I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the >> surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. >> Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and >> then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. >> Regards, Hugh >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >> >> Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. >> Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are >> super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed >> of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse >> the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy >> stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed >> three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in >> which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch >> them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them >> locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but >> lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with >> full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical >> ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement >> but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not >> to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent >> from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of >> bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure >> compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data >> and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters >> for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on >> disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment >> during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a >> full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, >> my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat >> length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the >> trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I >> could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. >> >> After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I >> am going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure >> you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! >> >> Cliff >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> Thanks Cliff, >> congratulations on getting the refit finished. >> How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. >> What was the steering like on surface & diving. >> I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons >> for that, I thought that tale section would just be an >> appendage now. >> That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really >> clear water, you will be blown away. >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >> >> Lake Amistad 2016 is a >> link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to >> date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive >> sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in >> Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend >> visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero >> visibilty at 154 ft. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 19:59:20 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Pete Niedermayr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad References: <521969129.2121183.1454029160586.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <521969129.2121183.1454029160586.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Why not cut the front off a small aluminum boat. Put enough foam in it so it doesn't sink away and use it as a subtowing "wake board" -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/28/16, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Date: Thursday, January 28, 2016, 6:43 PM Alan, I have thought about building this kind of system.? Have you ever worked with materials like they make pontoon boats out of?? I wonder how hard it would be to seal.? Sounds like another project. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cliff,I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon.Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed.Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit.To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out,also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the hull & in to the?hatch.Alan From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. Best, Alec On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll.??I found on the last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little lift ?and get anther couple of knots on the surface.?To conserve batteries, I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles.? One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment lug?closer to the bottom of the bow? I would screw this lug?into the 2" forward MBT flood port.? I think towing from this lower location should?counter act the bow wave to some degree.? If I could get the tow speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cliff,? Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling.I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the surface due to the bow wave/visibility.? Makes sense.Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and then increase speed.? Could try on a model in a pool.Regards,? Hugh??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad?Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy.? Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are super quite.?I use a foot control that you?tilt forward?to increase speed of?stern thrusters and if you?tilt the foot control back you can reverse the stern thrusters.??With this I now have brakes.?? I have a 3-axis joy stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC.?I programed three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in which?starboard-port movement?generates roll, the second in which?I switch them over to momentary? switches for up and down movement and have?them locked together and a third in?which I have them back on the joystick but lock out roll.? I use the first mode when I want?to fly underwater with full pitch, roll and yaw control.? I use the second mode for vertical ascent or decent and the third mode which?gives yaw and pitch movement but?locks out?roll movement.??On the surface I have to be careful not to?apply ?full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate.?On the ascent from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure compensate the thrusters.? Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters for pressure compensation.? I have not done so yet but I plan on disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment during the dive.? I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters.? After a full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%.? With my previous drive train, my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours.? As to boat length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft.?I also shortened the trailer by 3 ft.? As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling.?After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am going to find some clear water.? How you doing for garage space?? I sure you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand!?Cliff?On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote:Thanks Cliff,congratulations on getting the refit finished.How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas.?What was the steering like on surface & diving.I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasonsfor that, I thought that tale section would just be anappendage now.That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some reallyclear water, you will be blown away.Cheers Alan??From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad??Lake Amistad 2016?is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend.? This is the deepest dive to date with the boat.? Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out.? The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest.? Having said that, last weekend visibility was bad.? Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero visibilty at 154 ft.? Still if was fun to get the deep dive in.? ?Clif _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 20:12:52 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <293860948.2012516.1454029972263.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Cliff,I visited a factory where they made inflatables, & I would leave it to?the experts. The one I went to was quite happy to tailor make somethingfor me. Those boats can really take a pounding, but you would have quite a bit of weight?sitting on it. You could make a rigid hull for it that was taken from a patternof the R300 hull.It would be great for entry / exit from the sub. I learnt a lot from snoopy's dive at Islamorada.The sub sits in the water like an immovable rock & the boat bobs up & down next to it.You are in danger of busting a hole in your support boat getting too close. So entry &exit is difficult. We had to abandon a dive after hrs of towing as it was too dangerousto attempt getting in, in what wasn't very big seas. This was mainly from the danger ofwater coming in. If the sub was wrapped in an inflatableyou would have that cushion against the boat & stability when you jumped on.?I had thought of making a pontoon boat that you ?could drive in to the back ofthat had twin outboards either side of the entry point. You could then tow your sub?& support boat on the same trailer.Maybe Hank can whip one up?Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad Alan, I have thought about building this kind of system.? Have you ever worked with materials like they make pontoon boats out of?? I wonder how hard it would be to seal.? Sounds like another project. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cliff,I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon.Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed.Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit.To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out,also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the hull & in to the?hatch.Alan From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. Best, Alec On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll.??I found on the last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little lift ?and get anther couple of knots on the surface.?To conserve batteries, I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles.? One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment lug?closer to the bottom of the bow? I would screw this lug?into the 2" forward MBT flood port.? I think towing from this lower location should?counter act the bow wave to some degree.? If I could get the tow speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cliff,? Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling.I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the surface due to the bow wave/visibility.? Makes sense.Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and then increase speed.? Could try on a model in a pool.Regards,? Hugh??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad?Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy.? Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are super quite.?I use a foot control that you?tilt forward?to increase speed of?stern thrusters and if you?tilt the foot control back you can reverse the stern thrusters.??With this I now have brakes.?? I have a 3-axis joy stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC.?I programed three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in which?starboard-port movement?generates roll, the second in which?I switch them over to momentary? switches for up and down movement and have?them locked together and a third in?which I have them back on the joystick but lock out roll.? I use the first mode when I want?to fly underwater with full pitch, roll and yaw control.? I use the second mode for vertical ascent or decent and the third mode which?gives yaw and pitch movement but?locks out?roll movement.??On the surface I have to be careful not to?apply ?full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate.?On the ascent from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure compensate the thrusters.? Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters for pressure compensation.? I have not done so yet but I plan on disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment during the dive.? I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters.? After a full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%.? With my previous drive train, my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours.? As to boat length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft.?I also shortened the trailer by 3 ft.? As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling.?After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am going to find some clear water.? How you doing for garage space?? I sure you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand!?Cliff?On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote:Thanks Cliff,congratulations on getting the refit finished.How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas.?What was the steering like on surface & diving.I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasonsfor that, I thought that tale section would just be anappendage now.That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some reallyclear water, you will be blown away.Cheers Alan??From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad??Lake Amistad 2016?is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend.? This is the deepest dive to date with the boat.? Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out.? The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest.? Having said that, last weekend visibility was bad.? Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero visibilty at 154 ft.? 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Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 3:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cheap syntactic foam In an effort to come up with a cheap solution to creating buoyancy-I did some pressure testing on different ideas. I have had success with sanded plywood, I tested bare plywood, and plywood coated with gel coat. Not surprisingly the bare wood almost doubled in weight but remained buoyant and is still drying out. The wood seems to be holding the water permanently. The test with gel coat was a total success. After one hr at 800psi the weight is exactly the same. For every two pounds of plywood you get one pound of buoyancy. I have ordered trawl floats for my new deep diver but I thought it would be an interesting experiment. Hank ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 20:38:12 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:38:12 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007001d15a35$b8018950$28049bf0$@telus.net> Cliff, Congratulations on your sub successes. Very impressive. For what it's worth IVC modifies an inflatable to raise and tow their SportSub line at high speed (pics on their web site). The sub on the inflatable requires less water to float off the trailer than the sub alone. Your dive planes may interfere with the inflatable's tubes, but otherwise it wouldn?t be difficult to cut the transom off an existing inflatable and install protective foam on the inflatable's floor. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 4:44 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad Alan, I have thought about building this kind of system. Have you ever worked with materials like they make pontoon boats out of? I wonder how hard it would be to seal. Sounds like another project. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Cliff, I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon. Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed. Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit. To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out, also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the hull & in to the hatch. Alan _____ From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. Best, Alec On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. Regards, Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! Cliff On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Thanks Cliff, congratulations on getting the refit finished. How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. What was the steering like on surface & diving. I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons for that, I thought that tale section would just be an appendage now. That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really clear water, you will be blown away. Cheers Alan _____ From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad Lake Amistad 2016 is a link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. Clif _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jan 28 20:45:43 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cheap syntactic foam In-Reply-To: <006501d15a34$89ddaaa0$9d98ffe0$@telus.net> References: <006501d15a34$89ddaaa0$9d98ffe0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1644105647.1573590.1454031943251.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Tim,The test worked with just gelcoat-I would have to think with a layer of?fibreglass it would work quite reliably. ?Hank On Thursday, January 28, 2016 6:30 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv2923887122 #yiv2923887122 -- _filtered #yiv2923887122 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2923887122 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2923887122 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv2923887122 #yiv2923887122 p.yiv2923887122MsoNormal, #yiv2923887122 li.yiv2923887122MsoNormal, #yiv2923887122 div.yiv2923887122MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2923887122 a:link, #yiv2923887122 span.yiv2923887122MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2923887122 a:visited, #yiv2923887122 span.yiv2923887122MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2923887122 span.yiv2923887122EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv2923887122 .yiv2923887122MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv2923887122 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv2923887122 div.yiv2923887122WordSection1 {}#yiv2923887122 Hi Hank, ?While at Nuytco in 2014 Alan and I had a short conversation about using solid oak as a syntactic foam alternative.? Heavier above the surface than the foam, so a larger volume below the surface than the foam would be required.? Still a lot cheaper, though.? Why not cover the wood (oak or ply) with a single layer of fiberglass cloth and resin? ?It wouldn?t be difficult to depth test a piece.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 3:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] cheap syntactic foam ?In an effort to come up with a cheap solution to creating buoyancy-I did some pressure testing on different ideas. ?I have had success with sanded plywood, I tested bare plywood, and plywood coated with gel coat. ?Not surprisingly ? the bare wood almost doubled in weight but remained buoyant and is still drying out. The wood seems to be holding the water permanently. ?The test with gel coat was a total success. ? After one hr at 800psi the weight is exactly the same. ?For every two pounds of plywood you get one pound of buoyancy. ? I have ordered trawl floats for my new deep diver ?but I thought it would be an interesting experiment.Hank! _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 29 11:34:44 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:34:44 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: <007001d15a35$b8018950$28049bf0$@telus.net> References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <007001d15a35$b8018950$28049bf0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. I looked at the IVC/sportsub site and saw what you were talking about. There is big difference in weight between my boat and the Sporsub so not sure how the inflatable would handle the 4200 lbs. As you say it would make it easier to launch off the trailer. Thanks. More to think about. Cheers Cliff On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:38 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Cliff, > > Congratulations on your sub successes. Very impressive. > > For what it's worth IVC modifies an inflatable to raise and tow their > SportSub line at high speed (pics on their web site). The sub on the > inflatable requires less water to float off the trailer than the sub > alone. Your dive planes may interfere with the inflatable's tubes, but > otherwise it wouldn?t be difficult to cut the transom off an existing > inflatable and install protective foam on the inflatable's floor. > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 4:44 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > > > Alan, I have thought about building this kind of system. Have you ever > worked with materials like they make pontoon boats out of? I wonder how > hard it would be to seal. Sounds like another project. > > > > Cliff > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Cliff, > > I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon. > > Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed. > > Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit. > > To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out, > > also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the hull > & in to the > > hatch. > > Alan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > > > If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you could > go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough of your > bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms speed, so > slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. > > > > Best, > > > Alec > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve > surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the > last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little > lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, > I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. > One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment > lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" > forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location > should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow > speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. > > > > Cliff > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. > > I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the > surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. > > Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and > then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. > > Regards, Hugh > > > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > > > Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. > Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are > super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed > of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse > the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy > stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed > three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in > which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch > them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them > locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but > lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with > full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical > ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement > but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not > to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent > from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of > bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure > compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data > and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters > for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on > disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment > during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a > full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, > my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat > length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the > trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I > could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. > > > > After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I am > going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure > you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! > > > > Cliff > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks Cliff, > > congratulations on getting the refit finished. > > How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. > > What was the steering like on surface & diving. > > I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons > > for that, I thought that tale section would just be an > > appendage now. > > That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some really > > clear water, you will be blown away. > > Cheers Alan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad > > > > Lake Amistad 2016 is a > link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to > date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive > sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in > Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend > visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero > visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. > > > > Clif > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 29 11:51:31 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:51:31 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Monte Carlo Message-ID: A friend of mine sent me some pics of this from Monte Carlo. Not seen this one before. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 114967 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jan 29 23:59:34 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:59:34 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Monte Carlo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01d15b1b$0419a850$0c4cf8f0$@telus.net> Very cool, James. It's been sitting in front of the prince's Oceanographic Museum since at least 1987 when I was there. There was also a hull of the Cousteau diving saucer suspended above the door. Perhaps that was just a mock-up shell. There is some vague information on the net that Starfish House of Conshelf II is in an underwater park somewhere in France. It would be interesting to know about that too. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:52 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Monte Carlo A friend of mine sent me some pics of this from Monte Carlo. Not seen this one before. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31689 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 30 04:47:11 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 09:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test References: <1289794679.2649965.1454147231826.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1289794679.2649965.1454147231826.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I had an initial pool test of my brushless thruster yesterday.Thruster is on projects page?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1235435392/brushlessthruster/A bit of a mixed bag. Firstly I was testing it on 36-37 V & not 44 that it was designed for,due to size restrictions on import of Lithium polymer batteries. I will buy the additional voltage.? ?I was getting 5kg (11lb) thrust off 150W & 10kg (22lb) off 515W, which is comparable &better than some commercial direct drive BLDC thrusters that I have specs on.However I got to 13kg thrust & the propeller seemed to slip at that point & even though?it was running at 2,200W I wasn't getting any more thrust. I was only a couple of feet out?from the pool edge when testing, so that could be contributing.Another factor could have been that the seal leaked badly & the motor was short circuiting?through the water. Why did the seal leak? Possibly I damaged it hammering it in to it's housingor because I didn't polish up the propeller shaft.?I have other motors I will be testing, so a lot more work & learning to do on this one.I did notice I had the same problem as ?Cliff, with the motor wiring starting to wear throughwhere it comes out of the housing.Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 30 11:20:23 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 08:20:23 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test In-Reply-To: <1289794679.2649965.1454147231826.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1289794679.2649965.1454147231826.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1289794679.2649965.1454147231826.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401d15b7a$200807f0$601817d0$@telus.net> Thanks for the update, Alan. It looks like your research is coming along quite well. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:47 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test I had an initial pool test of my brushless thruster yesterday. Thruster is on projects page http://www.psubs.org/projects/1235435392/brushlessthruster/ A bit of a mixed bag. Firstly I was testing it on 36-37 V & not 44 that it was designed for, due to size restrictions on import of Lithium polymer batteries. I will buy the additional voltage. I was getting 5kg (11lb) thrust off 150W & 10kg (22lb) off 515W, which is comparable & better than some commercial direct drive BLDC thrusters that I have specs on. However I got to 13kg thrust & the propeller seemed to slip at that point & even though it was running at 2,200W I wasn't getting any more thrust. I was only a couple of feet out from the pool edge when testing, so that could be contributing. Another factor could have been that the seal leaked badly & the motor was short circuiting through the water. Why did the seal leak? Possibly I damaged it hammering it in to it's housing or because I didn't polish up the propeller shaft. I have other motors I will be testing, so a lot more work & learning to do on this one. I did notice I had the same problem as Cliff, with the motor wiring starting to wear through where it comes out of the housing. Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 30 13:08:29 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test In-Reply-To: <001401d15b7a$200807f0$601817d0$@telus.net> References: <001401d15b7a$200807f0$601817d0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <2082099523.2095727.1454177309705.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,That motor looks?pretty nice! ?I still think rpm is your enemy, seal wise.Hank On Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:20 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv6297382217 #yiv6297382217 -- _filtered #yiv6297382217 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6297382217 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6297382217 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv6297382217 #yiv6297382217 p.yiv6297382217MsoNormal, #yiv6297382217 li.yiv6297382217MsoNormal, #yiv6297382217 div.yiv6297382217MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv6297382217 a:link, #yiv6297382217 span.yiv6297382217MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6297382217 a:visited, #yiv6297382217 span.yiv6297382217MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6297382217 span.yiv6297382217EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv6297382217 .yiv6297382217MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv6297382217 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv6297382217 div.yiv6297382217WordSection1 {}#yiv6297382217 Thanks for the update, Alan.It looks like your research is coming along quite well.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:47 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test ?I had an initial pool test of my brushless thruster yesterday.Thruster is on projects page?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1235435392/brushlessthruster/A bit of a mixed bag. Firstly I was testing it on 36-37 V & not 44 that it was designed for,due to size restrictions on import of Lithium polymer batteries. I will buy the additional voltage.? ?I was getting 5kg (11lb) thrust off 150W & 10kg (22lb) off 515W, which is comparable &better than some commercial direct drive BLDC thrusters that I have specs on.However I got to 13kg thrust & the propeller seemed to slip at that point & even though?it was running at 2,200W I wasn't getting any more thrust. I was only a couple of feet out?from the pool edge when testing, so that could be contributing.Another factor could have been that the seal leaked badly & the motor was short circuiting?through the water. Why did the seal leak? Possibly I damaged it hammering it in to it's housingor because I didn't polish up the propeller shaft.?I have other motors I will be testing, so a lot more work & learning to do on this one.I did notice I had the same problem as ?Cliff, with the motor wiring starting to wear throughwhere it comes out of the housing.Cheers Alan _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 30 13:43:02 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test In-Reply-To: <2082099523.2095727.1454177309705.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001401d15b7a$200807f0$601817d0$@telus.net> <2082099523.2095727.1454177309705.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <404431605.2777938.1454179382401.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hank, Tim.With a load on it should be about 1300 rpm.It was leaking just sitting in the pool. When I got homeI poured a low viscosity oil in the wire entry & it just flowedout the seal.?It is quite a learning experience. There are some big gaps in my understanding?of the maths of what is going on.I am getting a 1500W sensored motor with low kv & an operational voltage of 44Vmade up for me. The motors I have are sensorless & it is hard to find a goodspeed controller with reverse for sensorless motors.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Alan,That motor looks?pretty nice! ?I still think rpm is your enemy, seal wise.Hank On Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:20 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv8391218814 -- filtered {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv8391218814 filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv8391218814 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv8391218814 p.yiv8391218814MsoNormal, #yiv8391218814 li.yiv8391218814MsoNormal, #yiv8391218814 div.yiv8391218814MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8391218814 a:link, #yiv8391218814 span.yiv8391218814MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8391218814 a:visited, #yiv8391218814 span.yiv8391218814MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8391218814 span.yiv8391218814EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8391218814 .yiv8391218814MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8391218814 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv8391218814 div.yiv8391218814WordSection1 {}#yiv8391218814 Thanks for the update, Alan.It looks like your research is coming along quite well.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:47 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test ?I had an initial pool test of my brushless thruster yesterday.Thruster is on projects page?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1235435392/brushlessthruster/A bit of a mixed bag. Firstly I was testing it on 36-37 V & not 44 that it was designed for,due to size restrictions on import of Lithium polymer batteries. I will buy the additional voltage.? ?I was getting 5kg (11lb) thrust off 150W & 10kg (22lb) off 515W, which is comparable &better than some commercial direct drive BLDC thrusters that I have specs on.However I got to 13kg thrust & the propeller seemed to slip at that point & even though?it was running at 2,200W I wasn't getting any more thrust. I was only a couple of feet out?from the pool edge when testing, so that could be contributing.Another factor could have been that the seal leaked badly & the motor was short circuiting?through the water. Why did the seal leak? Possibly I damaged it hammering it in to it's housingor because I didn't polish up the propeller shaft.?I have other motors I will be testing, so a lot more work & learning to do on this one.I did notice I had the same problem as ?Cliff, with the motor wiring starting to wear throughwhere it comes out of the housing.Cheers Alan _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 30 16:55:32 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:55:32 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test In-Reply-To: <404431605.2777938.1454179382401.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001401d15b7a$200807f0$601817d0$@telus.net> <2082099523.2095727.1454177309705.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <404431605.2777938.1454179382401.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan your thruster is coming along. What is the pitch of the prop that you are going to use? It is a little hard to tell the size of the unit from the pictures. What is the prop diameter and what is motor diameter? I am working with some engineering students on a new variable pitch prop for my boat. They have also built a test rig to measure the bollard thrust, rpm, current and voltage of the thruster. Hopefully in a week or so we will get some testing done a a MK-33 prop that goes with the MK-101 lower unit. How did you measure the thrust on your thruster? How did you calibrate the test rig? What kind of duty cycle is this motor rated for? What do think the final HP will be for your thruster? Thanks for sharing your work to date on the thruster. Cliff On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hank, Tim. > With a load on it should be about 1300 rpm. > It was leaking just sitting in the pool. When I got home > I poured a low viscosity oil in the wire entry & it just flowed > out the seal. > It is quite a learning experience. There are some big gaps in my > understanding > of the maths of what is going on. > I am getting a 1500W sensored motor with low kv & an operational voltage > of 44V > made up for me. The motors I have are sensorless & it is hard to find a > good > speed controller with reverse for sensorless motors. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:08 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test > > Alan, > That motor looks pretty nice! I still think rpm is your enemy, seal wise. > Hank > > > On Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:20 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks for the update, Alan. > It looks like your research is coming along quite well. > Tim > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Alan James via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:47 AM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test > > I had an initial pool test of my brushless thruster yesterday. > Thruster is on projects page > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1235435392/brushlessthruster/ > A bit of a mixed bag. Firstly I was testing it on 36-37 V & not 44 that it > was designed for, > due to size restrictions on import of Lithium polymer batteries. I will > buy the additional voltage. > I was getting 5kg (11lb) thrust off 150W & 10kg (22lb) off 515W, which > is comparable & > better than some commercial direct drive BLDC thrusters that I have specs > on. > However I got to 13kg thrust & the propeller seemed to slip at that point > & even though > it was running at 2,200W I wasn't getting any more thrust. I was only a > couple of feet out > from the pool edge when testing, so that could be contributing. > Another factor could have been that the seal leaked badly & the motor was > short circuiting > through the water. Why did the seal leak? Possibly I damaged it hammering > it in to it's housing > or because I didn't polish up the propeller shaft. > I have other motors I will be testing, so a lot more work & learning to do > on this one. > I did notice I had the same problem as Cliff, with the motor wiring > starting to wear through > where it comes out of the housing. > Cheers Alan > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 30 17:54:12 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 22:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test In-Reply-To: References: <001401d15b7a$200807f0$601817d0$@telus.net> <2082099523.2095727.1454177309705.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <404431605.2777938.1454179382401.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <247606940.2834697.1454194452336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Cliff,the prop is a 3 blade 7&1/4" x 4" pitch off a yamaha 2hp motor.The motor diameter is 63mm diameter x 74mm long (called a 6374) about 2&1/2'' x 3"About 3hp specs below.Turnigy Aerodrive SK3 - 6374-149kv Brushless Outrunner Motor | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | Turnigy Aerodrive SK3 - 6374-149kv Brushless Outrunner...Turnigy Aerodrive SK3 - 6374-149kv Brushless Outrunner Motor | | | | View on www.hobbyking.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | To measure the thrust I designed a wooden apparatus that fitted to the steps of my nephews swimming pool.It is a beam that extends horizontally out over the swimming pool & has a vertical member going down in to the poolthat is hinged at it's half way point. At the bottom of the vertical member the thruster is mounted, & at an equaldistance above the hinge is an eye bolt for connecting a cable to some electronic scales. There is another eye boltnear the start of the horizontal beam & the scales are suspended between these two eye bolts.In my set up I can only measure forward thrust.Before I made the housing I did an initial test with no housing & just bolted the mounting bracket that comes with it?to a similar test rig. It had lots of grunt despite the fact it was submerged as is, in fresh water.?I had a little bit of rust on the magnets afterward & I think some crc would have helped.? ?If you want to get technical on the test, here is a good paper.http://www.tahoebenchmark.com/pdfs/2009/DPVBollardPullv2.pdf ? ?Some of my calculations on propeller size & motor hp were based on results from online propeller calculators.https://www.vicprop.com/calculator.htmbut the inputs referred to boats not subs so not totally accurate.? I was looking at variable pitch propellers yesterday & wondered if there would be any benefit considering thesmall speed range we operate at.? I was googling to try & find out the bollard thrust results for the 101, because I am not beleiving what they say.I have a theory that the Minn kotas are over sized to deal with the heat that builds up inside the can. I wouldbe interested in your results.Am pretty convinced that brushless & oil compensated is the way to go. If you grind metal hard out & it heats upyou can cool it instantaneously with water but if you leave it in air it takes a long time to cool. There is always an airgap in a motor between the magnets & rotor, but large gaps at the ends of the coils (front & back of motor) so oilcompensating would be a lot easier on the motor. Brushes can have problems lifting in oil, so the brushlessoil compensated motor seems the way to go.Cheers Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Alan your thruster is coming along.? What is the pitch of the prop that you are going to use?? It is a little hard to tell the size of the unit from the pictures.? What is the prop diameter and what is motor diameter? I am working with some engineering students on a new variable pitch prop for my boat.? They have also built a test rig to measure the bollard thrust, rpm, current and voltage of the thruster.? Hopefully in a week or so we will get some testing done a a MK-33 prop that goes with the MK-101 lower unit. How did you measure the thrust on your thruster?? How did you calibrate the test rig?? What kind of duty cycle is this motor rated for?? What do think the final HP will be for your thruster? Thanks for sharing your work to date on the thruster. Cliff On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, Tim.With a load on it should be about 1300 rpm.It was leaking just sitting in the pool. When I got homeI poured a low viscosity oil in the wire entry & it just flowedout the seal.?It is quite a learning experience. There are some big gaps in my understanding?of the maths of what is going on.I am getting a 1500W sensored motor with low kv & an operational voltage of 44Vmade up for me. The motors I have are sensorless & it is hard to find a goodspeed controller with reverse for sensorless motors.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Alan,That motor looks?pretty nice!? I still think rpm is your enemy, seal wise.Hank On Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:20 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the update, Alan.It looks like your research is coming along quite well.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:47 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test ?I had an initial pool test of my brushless thruster yesterday.Thruster is on projects page?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1235435392/brushlessthruster/A bit of a mixed bag. Firstly I was testing it on 36-37 V & not 44 that it was designed for,due to size restrictions on import of Lithium polymer batteries. I will buy the additional voltage.? ?I was getting 5kg (11lb) thrust off 150W & 10kg (22lb) off 515W, which is comparable &better than some commercial direct drive BLDC thrusters that I have specs on.However I got to 13kg thrust & the propeller seemed to slip at that point & even though?it was running at 2,200W I wasn't getting any more thrust. I was only a couple of feet out?from the pool edge when testing, so that could be contributing.Another factor could have been that the seal leaked badly & the motor was short circuiting?through the water. Why did the seal leak? Possibly I damaged it hammering it in to it's housingor because I didn't polish up the propeller shaft.?I have other motors I will be testing, so a lot more work & learning to do on this one.I did notice I had the same problem as ?Cliff, with the motor wiring starting to wear throughwhere it comes out of the housing.Cheers Alan _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jan 30 21:54:20 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 02:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test In-Reply-To: <404431605.2777938.1454179382401.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001401d15b7a$200807f0$601817d0$@telus.net> <2082099523.2095727.1454177309705.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <404431605.2777938.1454179382401.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1379382933.213353.1454208860952.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Seal leak problem solved.I had put in a 12mm seal instead of a 10mm ID seal.Dumb, didn't even realize I had some that size.Alan From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Hank, Tim.With a load on it should be about 1300 rpm.It was leaking just sitting in the pool. When I got homeI poured a low viscosity oil in the wire entry & it just flowedout the seal.?It is quite a learning experience. There are some big gaps in my understanding?of the maths of what is going on.I am getting a 1500W sensored motor with low kv & an operational voltage of 44Vmade up for me. The motors I have are sensorless & it is hard to find a goodspeed controller with reverse for sensorless motors.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Alan,That motor looks?pretty nice! ?I still think rpm is your enemy, seal wise.Hank On Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:20 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv0105260126 -- filtered {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv0105260126 filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv0105260126 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv0105260126 p.yiv0105260126MsoNormal, #yiv0105260126 li.yiv0105260126MsoNormal, #yiv0105260126 div.yiv0105260126MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv0105260126 a:link, #yiv0105260126 span.yiv0105260126MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0105260126 a:visited, #yiv0105260126 span.yiv0105260126MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0105260126 span.yiv0105260126EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv0105260126 .yiv0105260126MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv0105260126 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv0105260126 div.yiv0105260126WordSection1 {}#yiv0105260126 Thanks for the update, Alan.It looks like your research is coming along quite well.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:47 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test ?I had an initial pool test of my brushless thruster yesterday.Thruster is on projects page?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1235435392/brushlessthruster/A bit of a mixed bag. Firstly I was testing it on 36-37 V & not 44 that it was designed for,due to size restrictions on import of Lithium polymer batteries. I will buy the additional voltage.? ?I was getting 5kg (11lb) thrust off 150W & 10kg (22lb) off 515W, which is comparable &better than some commercial direct drive BLDC thrusters that I have specs on.However I got to 13kg thrust & the propeller seemed to slip at that point & even though?it was running at 2,200W I wasn't getting any more thrust. I was only a couple of feet out?from the pool edge when testing, so that could be contributing.Another factor could have been that the seal leaked badly & the motor was short circuiting?through the water. Why did the seal leak? Possibly I damaged it hammering it in to it's housingor because I didn't polish up the propeller shaft.?I have other motors I will be testing, so a lot more work & learning to do on this one.I did notice I had the same problem as ?Cliff, with the motor wiring starting to wear throughwhere it comes out of the housing.Cheers Alan _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 31 05:18:16 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test In-Reply-To: <247606940.2834697.1454194452336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001401d15b7a$200807f0$601817d0$@telus.net> <2082099523.2095727.1454177309705.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <404431605.2777938.1454179382401.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <247606940.2834697.1454194452336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <223352835.2930110.1454235496299.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Cliff,I thought of a way of using that propeller calculator I posted a link to a bit moreaccurately. It asks for a draft measurement, but as the whole of a submarine isunder the water you would have to give the draft as the height of the sub from top tobottom seeing as it's all under water. This may give an erroneous calculation.It may be better to split the sub in half horizontally & give the draft as half the heightof the sub. Tell the calculator you have 1 thruster not 2 & treat the top half as a mirror image(well near enough for this purpose) of the bottom. So the suggested prop size & pitchwill be the same for both thrusters. Hope that makes sense.Alan From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Cliff,the prop is a 3 blade 7&1/4" x 4" pitch off a yamaha 2hp motor.The motor diameter is 63mm diameter x 74mm long (called a 6374) about 2&1/2'' x 3"About 3hp specs below.Turnigy Aerodrive SK3 - 6374-149kv Brushless Outrunner Motor | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | Turnigy Aerodrive SK3 - 6374-149kv Brushless Outrunner...Turnigy Aerodrive SK3 - 6374-149kv Brushless Outrunner Motor | | | | View on www.hobbyking.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | To measure the thrust I designed a wooden apparatus that fitted to the steps of my nephews swimming pool.It is a beam that extends horizontally out over the swimming pool & has a vertical member going down in to the poolthat is hinged at it's half way point. At the bottom of the vertical member the thruster is mounted, & at an equaldistance above the hinge is an eye bolt for connecting a cable to some electronic scales. There is another eye boltnear the start of the horizontal beam & the scales are suspended between these two eye bolts.In my set up I can only measure forward thrust.Before I made the housing I did an initial test with no housing & just bolted the mounting bracket that comes with it?to a similar test rig. It had lots of grunt despite the fact it was submerged as is, in fresh water.?I had a little bit of rust on the magnets afterward & I think some crc would have helped.? ?If you want to get technical on the test, here is a good paper.http://www.tahoebenchmark.com/pdfs/2009/DPVBollardPullv2.pdf ? ?Some of my calculations on propeller size & motor hp were based on results from online propeller calculators.https://www.vicprop.com/calculator.htmbut the inputs referred to boats not subs so not totally accurate.? I was looking at variable pitch propellers yesterday & wondered if there would be any benefit considering thesmall speed range we operate at.? I was googling to try & find out the bollard thrust results for the 101, because I am not beleiving what they say.I have a theory that the Minn kotas are over sized to deal with the heat that builds up inside the can. I wouldbe interested in your results.Am pretty convinced that brushless & oil compensated is the way to go. If you grind metal hard out & it heats upyou can cool it instantaneously with water but if you leave it in air it takes a long time to cool. There is always an airgap in a motor between the magnets & rotor, but large gaps at the ends of the coils (front & back of motor) so oilcompensating would be a lot easier on the motor. Brushes can have problems lifting in oil, so the brushlessoil compensated motor seems the way to go.Cheers Alan From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Alan your thruster is coming along.? What is the pitch of the prop that you are going to use?? It is a little hard to tell the size of the unit from the pictures.? What is the prop diameter and what is motor diameter? I am working with some engineering students on a new variable pitch prop for my boat.? They have also built a test rig to measure the bollard thrust, rpm, current and voltage of the thruster.? Hopefully in a week or so we will get some testing done a a MK-33 prop that goes with the MK-101 lower unit. How did you measure the thrust on your thruster?? How did you calibrate the test rig?? What kind of duty cycle is this motor rated for?? What do think the final HP will be for your thruster? Thanks for sharing your work to date on the thruster. Cliff On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, Tim.With a load on it should be about 1300 rpm.It was leaking just sitting in the pool. When I got homeI poured a low viscosity oil in the wire entry & it just flowedout the seal.?It is quite a learning experience. There are some big gaps in my understanding?of the maths of what is going on.I am getting a 1500W sensored motor with low kv & an operational voltage of 44Vmade up for me. The motors I have are sensorless & it is hard to find a goodspeed controller with reverse for sensorless motors.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Alan,That motor looks?pretty nice!? I still think rpm is your enemy, seal wise.Hank On Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:20 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the update, Alan.It looks like your research is coming along quite well.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:47 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test ?I had an initial pool test of my brushless thruster yesterday.Thruster is on projects page?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1235435392/brushlessthruster/A bit of a mixed bag. Firstly I was testing it on 36-37 V & not 44 that it was designed for,due to size restrictions on import of Lithium polymer batteries. I will buy the additional voltage.? ?I was getting 5kg (11lb) thrust off 150W & 10kg (22lb) off 515W, which is comparable &better than some commercial direct drive BLDC thrusters that I have specs on.However I got to 13kg thrust & the propeller seemed to slip at that point & even though?it was running at 2,200W I wasn't getting any more thrust. I was only a couple of feet out?from the pool edge when testing, so that could be contributing.Another factor could have been that the seal leaked badly & the motor was short circuiting?through the water. Why did the seal leak? Possibly I damaged it hammering it in to it's housingor because I didn't polish up the propeller shaft.?I have other motors I will be testing, so a lot more work & learning to do on this one.I did notice I had the same problem as ?Cliff, with the motor wiring starting to wear throughwhere it comes out of the housing.Cheers Alan _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 31 12:07:35 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:07:35 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad In-Reply-To: References: <1603090867.1443167.1453952431437.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56aa71e2.66a2420a.e9d15.6a26@mx.google.com> <1106423207.1909041.1454019481436.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Cliff, the second test may solve the problem. The SeaQuestor, is on hold for the moment as all funds and my non working hours are being spent on rebuilding of a home for Wy and I. Bought an REO, and gutted it, and I am doing all the sub trades. Should be moved in by mid March, then back onto the sub. At least I am practicing my plumbing and electrical skills! On Jan 28, 2016 4:55 PM, "Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > David, I am not an acoustics guy but I am assuming the wave noise is some > how washing out the transponder. I never lost OTS comms at any speed when > the tender boat was stationary or moving slowly. Makes me wonder if we > could get the transponder deeper if we would lose comms. Not sure I want a > long dangling transponder. Do you remember at the *Islamorada* Psub > conference were we had one of the transponder cables cut by a prop. What > is different about this application is that we have a tow rope between the > psub and tender vessel. So maybe we could use some ties and secure the > transponder head to the tow rope maybe 20 feet out from the tender boat. > Sounds like another test for my next outing. > > BTW, how is the design work coming on your boat? > > Cliff > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:34 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Cliff, great job. Any ideas as to why the comms system was having an >> issue with the increased speed? We're you able test the comms with the >> same speed while submerged? >> Best Regards, >> David Colombo >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016, 2:21 PM Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Cliff, >>> I'm wondering if you could make or modify an inflatable pontoon. >>> Sort of like an inflatable boat with the back board removed. >>> Deflate it, drive on & inflate for transit. >>> To a degree it would solve your free board issues when getting in & out, >>> also it would act as a wave buffer stopping the waves flowing up the >>> hull & in to the >>> hatch. >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> >>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2016 10:25 AM >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >>> >>> If you towed submerged, my guess is with the shape of your boat you >>> could go a whole lot faster because you wouldn't be trapped in the trough >>> of your bow wave. But on the other hand you would be above your comms >>> speed, so slightly concerning if you were tearing along and had some issue. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hugh, I am sure if I installed dive planes on the bow I could improve >>> surface speed but might adversely affect ability to roll. I found on the >>> last dive that I could use the vertical thrusters to generated a little >>> lift and get anther couple of knots on the surface. To conserve batteries, >>> I would probably tow the boat if I had to go more than a couple of miles. >>> One of the mods I am going to test next time out is to make an attachment >>> lug closer to the bottom of the bow I would screw this lug into the 2" >>> forward MBT flood port. I think towing from this lower location >>> should counter act the bow wave to some degree. If I could get the tow >>> speed up to 5-6 knots, that would make a big difference in tow time. >>> >>> Cliff >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Cliff, Congratulations on the dive and success of the remodeling. >>> I was interested in your comments of the restrictions of speed on the >>> surface due to the bow wave/visibility. Makes sense. >>> Can you not put on dive/surface planes to assist lift on the surface and >>> then increase speed. Could try on a model in a pool. >>> Regards, Hugh >>> >>> >>> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >>> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Cliff Redus via >>> Personal_Submersibles >>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 January 2016 3:41 a.m. >>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >>> >>> Alan, operation of the four Minn-Kota thrusters was a joy. >>> Maneuverability is an order magnitude better than before plus they are >>> super quite. I use a foot control that you tilt forward to increase speed >>> of stern thrusters and if you tilt the foot control back you can reverse >>> the stern thrusters. With this I now have brakes. I have a 3-axis joy >>> stick which I use to control pitch, roll and yaw through PLC. I programed >>> three different vertical thruster modes. The first is full control in >>> which starboard-port movement generates roll, the second in which I switch >>> them over to momentary switches for up and down movement and have them >>> locked together and a third in which I have them back on the joystick but >>> lock out roll. I use the first mode when I want to fly underwater with >>> full pitch, roll and yaw control. I use the second mode for vertical >>> ascent or decent and the third mode which gives yaw and pitch movement >>> but locks out roll movement. On the surface I have to be careful not >>> to apply full speed to aft thrusters or they will cavitate. On the ascent >>> from the 154 ft dive, I could see out the viewport a steady stream of >>> bubbles coming from the pressure reducing regulator used to pressure >>> compensate the thrusters. Also, after the dive I analyzed the logged data >>> and confirmed that during each dive air was been supply to the thrusters >>> for pressure compensation. I have not done so yet but I plan on >>> disassembling one of the thrusters to confirm it had no water encroachment >>> during the dive. I am really happy with the Minn-Kota thrusters. After a >>> full day on the water, I had a SOC of 90%. With my previous drive train, >>> my batteries would be at a 50% SOC for same number of hours. As to boat >>> length, I did end of shortening the boat by 2.5 ft. I also shortened the >>> trailer by 3 ft. As the pressure hull is shaped like a coke bottle, I >>> could not cut much more off the stern FRP cowling. >>> >>> After I do a 400 ft unmanned dive to qualify the boat to 300 ft, then I >>> am going to find some clear water. How you doing for garage space? I sure >>> you could find me some nice clear water in New Zealand! >>> >>> Cliff >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> Thanks Cliff, >>> congratulations on getting the refit finished. >>> How did you feel it operated with the 4 Minn kotas. >>> What was the steering like on surface & diving. >>> I notice you didn't shorten the sub. What were the reasons >>> for that, I thought that tale section would just be an >>> appendage now. >>> That was a shame about the visibility. Wait till you get in to some >>> really >>> clear water, you will be blown away. >>> Cheers Alan >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:07 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] R300 Dive at Lake Amistad >>> >>> Lake Amistad 2016 is a >>> link to YouTube video of dive last weekend. This is the deepest dive to >>> date with the boat. Got the thruster electrical issue from my last dive >>> sorted out. The objective in diving this lake is that it is the deepest in >>> Texas and most of the time, the clearest. Having said that, last weekend >>> visibility was bad. Surface vis was 6ft, lost all light at 80 ft and zero >>> visibilty at 154 ft. Still if was fun to get the deep dive in. >>> >>> Clif >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jan 31 15:05:10 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (gbrown091 via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:05:10 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Message-ID: Thanks Alan appreciate your input on the thruster testing.? Regards Glen Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Date:30/01/2016 18:20 (GMT+02:00) To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test Thanks for the update, Alan. It looks like your research is coming along quite well. Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:47 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brushless thruster test ? I had an initial pool test of my brushless thruster yesterday. Thruster is on projects page?http://www.psubs.org/projects/1235435392/brushlessthruster/ A bit of a mixed bag. Firstly I was testing it on 36-37 V & not 44 that it was designed for, due to size restrictions on import of Lithium polymer batteries. I will buy the additional voltage. ? ?I was getting 5kg (11lb) thrust off 150W & 10kg (22lb) off 515W, which is comparable & better than some commercial direct drive BLDC thrusters that I have specs on. However I got to 13kg thrust & the propeller seemed to slip at that point & even though? it was running at 2,200W I wasn't getting any more thrust. I was only a couple of feet out? from the pool edge when testing, so that could be contributing. Another factor could have been that the seal leaked badly & the motor was short circuiting? through the water. Why did the seal leak? Possibly I damaged it hammering it in to it's housing or because I didn't polish up the propeller shaft.? I have other motors I will be testing, so a lot more work & learning to do on this one. I did notice I had the same problem as ?Cliff, with the motor wiring starting to wear through where it comes out of the housing. Cheers Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: