[PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation

Fri May 27 18:16:42 EDT 2016

Drawings only show you what was supposed to have been built.

To document what actually exists requires verification of the dimensions using calibrated NIST traceable instruments.

Sean

On May 27, 2016 3:55:23 PM MDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>Scott must have technical drawings that came with the sub, heck I have
>them for GammaSurly those could be used as reference of existing
>dimensions.Hank 
>
>On Friday, May 27, 2016 3:39 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles
><personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> 
>
>All this advice hinges on the premises that ABS are going to acceptthe
>measurements that any unqualified Wally will provide them. To
>meit would be a difficult job finding and documenting any out of
>roundness & deviation of thickness along with the penetration
>thicknesses & contours.   Perhaps find out first if they have any
>requirements regarding theprofessionalism of the person & process for
>measuring the hull, as the FEA will be based on those measurements. If
>they do require a certified professional to supply them with
>drawings,then any 3D images for conference could be taken from
>that.Cheers Alan
>
>From: Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles
><personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
><personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 8:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation
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>Cliff,Which software is most easily learned? I have no CAD experience.
>All my design work in the past was all sketched out on a bar napkin.
>Haha.Thank you,Scott Waters
>
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>-------- Original message --------
>From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
><personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>Date: 05/27/2016 8:52 AM (GMT-06:00) 
>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
><personal_submersibles at psubs.org> 
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation 
>
>Scott, I have been thinking about your request for CAD assistance for
>upcoming presentation.  I think with your Pisces VI build, you really
>have both tactical and strategic technical drawing needs.  Let look at
>the long range strategic need first.  Because you are going to make
>some changes to the boat, ABS is going to make you submit a report that
>among other things has a drawings set that reflects the current build,
>a weights and balance and buoyant accounting that rolls up the new CG
>and CB of the boat and a stress analysis of the pressure hull both in
>the form of the ABS hull stress calculations and an FEA.    The best
>way to get these is through a 3-D modeling package like Autodesk
>Inventor Pro or Solidworks.  My suggestion is to invest in one of the
>software packages and take a basic 3-D modeling training course on the
>software.  You then crawl into the belly of the beast with your tape
>measure and digital caliper and take the dimensions of each part and
>then model it in the 3-D modeling software.  After you get all the
>parts modeled, you them make up assemblies of these parts that will
>enable you to turn out the 2-D prints of the parts and assemblies.  
>From this 3-D model, of your Pisces VI, you then can extract the CB, CG
>of the boat.  All of these 3-D software packages let you export STEP
>files of the model that can be read by the FEA software Sean uses.  If
>you pay some one to build this 3-D model, first of all it will cost a
>lot of money and every time you change anything you will have to go
>back the guy for an update.  In the long run, having this skill set
>(3-D modeling) will be very useful for future mechanical projects off
>all types.  
>From a tactical perspective, what people are most interested in, from
>my perspective, on your renovation is what is the state of the boat at
>the time you acquired it documented by lots of pictures, and what the
>big pictures is on what you think you will need to do to get your ABS
>A1 recertification and lastly what are the major structural changes you
>are planning.  I don't know how much time you have for your
>presentation but my guess is 20 minutes or so.  If this is the case, on
>average you can count on about 1 min per slide so you have 20 slides to
>present.  This does not leave much time for presenting CAD work.  You
>might be able to get away with the basic drawing tools in Power point
>for these few slides on the changes.  
>Make sure you put a slide in for your new mega shop which we are all
>salivating over and how you are going to dive this boat when your done
>in Kansas!
>Cliff
>On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:41 AM, via Personal_Submersibles
><personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
>OK. Thanks for the information
>
>Scott Waters
>
>>  -------Original Message-------
>>  From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles
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>>  Sent: May 26 '16 10:30
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>>  Yeah, but it's very intuitive once you get into it.  Plus you could
>generate data to make parts using a CNC.  More computer power = good
>thing !
>>
>>  Brian
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>>  --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote:
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>>  From: via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
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>>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation
>>  Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 09:30:35 -0500
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>>  I am worried about the amount of time it would take me to learn to
>be good with the software. From my understanding, it is quite the ramp
>up time.
>>
>>  Thank you,
>>  Scott Waters
>>
>>  >  -------Original Message-------
>>  >  From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles
><personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>  >  To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
><personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>  >  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation
>>  >  Sent: May 25 '16 19:09
>>  >  
>>  >  Scott,   You might want to think about getting set up with
>"machine works" it's a type of cad program that integrates into CNC and
>also has some FEA capability ( very advanced stuff) .  But you would
>need some serious computer power to run the program.  But then designed
>components could then be coded for machining, it has extensive modeling
>etc.. ,  state of the art stuff.   -  Brian  
>>  >  
>>  >  --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote:
>>  >  
>>  >  From: via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>  >  To: PSUBS <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>  >  Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CAD for presentation
>>  >  Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 15:06:13 -0500
>>  >  
>>  >  I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I am planning on
>doing a presentation at Underwater Intervention about the Pisces VI
>submarine. I am wanting to show the components of the submarine how the
>sub originally was and then how we are changing it. I am not trained in
>CAD and was wondering if there is someone out there that could easily
>do this?
>>  >  
>>  >  Thank you,
>>  >  Scott Waters
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