From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 1 14:42:12 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:42:12 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] test Message-ID: test From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 1 14:53:46 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 13:53:46 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber Message-ID: <2gdxvspfxowau6l0hbkxqbga.1472756026296@email.android.com> I need to buy or make a testing chamber for testing parts for Pisces VI. It needs to go up to 5,000 psi. I need to to be 24" diameter and 36" long or bigger. Something pre-made and as low cost as possible is prefered, but I am assuming I will have to make it. Any suggestions??Thank you,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 2 05:38:25 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 11:38:25 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] subs still for sale Message-ID: <038101d204fd$c1d73830$4585a890$@nl> Hi, I mentioned a while ago that several subs were for sale at a company that is closing down. Mention again as time is running out.. One Mantis is sold. 1 is left as well as the 2 person research sub. Asking price Mantis is Euro/Dollar 12.000,- You can find info on the internet about this one man sub http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/in_pictures_technol ogy0s_hidden_past/html/11.stm good condition, can be refitted to operational. The 2 person (140 Meter/ 400 Ft) research sub is a good option for a psubber who wants to skip the heavy steel work. Maybe need a refit from hydraulic to electric thrusters. Asking price is 15.000 ,- Professinal build. 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Name: Marbel2.gif Type: image/gif Size: 39043 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 2 08:13:45 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] subs still for sale In-Reply-To: <038101d204fd$c1d73830$4585a890$@nl> References: <038101d204fd$c1d73830$4585a890$@nl> Message-ID: <815729553.297098.1472818425049@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Emile,Perhaps the Mantis sub is better as a donor sub. ?I am sure you could do well to part it out-I for one would be interested in the thrusters. ?You might ?consider preparing a list of good parts for the group to review. ?Hank On Friday, September 2, 2016 3:38 AM, emile via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi, ?I mentioned a while ago that several subs were for sale at a company that is closing down.Mention again as time is running out.. ?One Mantis is sold.? 1 is left as well as the 2 person research sub. ?Asking price Mantis is Euro/Dollar 12.000,- You can find info on the internet about this one man subhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/in_pictures_technology0s_hidden_past/html/11.stm good condition, can be refitted to operational. ?The 2 person (140 Meter/ 400 Ft) research sub is a good option for a psubber who wants to skip the heavy steel work.Maybe need ?a refit from hydraulic to electric thrusters. Asking price is 15.000 ,-Professinal build.It has a 1 meter Diameter hull and stainless steel flanges. See picture ?You can ask me for more info in a pb. Emile @ airesearch. nl ? ?met vriendelijke groet, best regards ?Emile D.L. van Essen ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 2 08:49:46 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:49:46 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] subs still for sale In-Reply-To: <815729553.297098.1472818425049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <038101d204fd$c1d73830$4585a890$@nl> <815729553.297098.1472818425049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03cb01d20518$7c1ec130$745c4390$@nl> Hi Hank, That is possible. There is also a incomplete one. The maneuvering thrusters are low thrust but the main thrusters are nice. An on 24-30 VDC. The manips are the most interesting. They operate with seawater hydraulics. The 800 mm Od. Is 50 mm Thick! Best regards, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: vrijdag 2 september 2016 14:14 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] subs still for sale Hi Emile, Perhaps the Mantis sub is better as a donor sub. I am sure you could do well to part it out-I for one would be interested in the thrusters. You might consider preparing a list of good parts for the group to review. Hank On Friday, September 2, 2016 3:38 AM, emile via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Hi, I mentioned a while ago that several subs were for sale at a company that is closing down. Mention again as time is running out.. One Mantis is sold. 1 is left as well as the 2 person research sub. Asking price Mantis is Euro/Dollar 12.000,- You can find info on the internet about this one man sub http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/in_pictures_technology0s_hidden_past/html/11.stm good condition, can be refitted to operational. The 2 person (140 Meter/ 400 Ft) research sub is a good option for a psubber who wants to skip the heavy steel work. Maybe need a refit from hydraulic to electric thrusters. Asking price is 15.000 ,- Professinal build. It has a 1 meter Diameter hull and stainless steel flanges. See picture You can ask me for more info in a pb. Emile @ airesearch. nl met vriendelijke groet, best regards Emile D.L. van Essen _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 2 10:13:47 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] subs still for sale In-Reply-To: <03cb01d20518$7c1ec130$745c4390$@nl> References: <038101d204fd$c1d73830$4585a890$@nl> <815729553.297098.1472818425049@mail.yahoo.com> <03cb01d20518$7c1ec130$745c4390$@nl> Message-ID: <837879155.364842.1472825627166@mail.yahoo.com> Emile,I tried to send to your email and it was returned. ?Can you send me an email ?to hankpronk at live.ca On Friday, September 2, 2016 6:49 AM, emile via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv5906383174 #yiv5906383174 -- _filtered #yiv5906383174 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5906383174 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5906383174 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5906383174 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv5906383174 #yiv5906383174 p.yiv5906383174MsoNormal, #yiv5906383174 li.yiv5906383174MsoNormal, #yiv5906383174 div.yiv5906383174MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv5906383174 a:link, #yiv5906383174 span.yiv5906383174MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5906383174 a:visited, #yiv5906383174 span.yiv5906383174MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5906383174 p.yiv5906383174msonormal, #yiv5906383174 li.yiv5906383174msonormal, #yiv5906383174 div.yiv5906383174msonormal {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv5906383174 span.yiv5906383174msohyperlink {}#yiv5906383174 span.yiv5906383174msohyperlinkfollowed {}#yiv5906383174 span.yiv5906383174e-mailstijl17 {}#yiv5906383174 p.yiv5906383174msonormal1, #yiv5906383174 li.yiv5906383174msonormal1, #yiv5906383174 div.yiv5906383174msonormal1 {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv5906383174 span.yiv5906383174msohyperlink1 {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5906383174 span.yiv5906383174msohyperlinkfollowed1 {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5906383174 span.yiv5906383174e-mailstijl171 {color:windowtext;}#yiv5906383174 span.yiv5906383174E-mailStijl25 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv5906383174 .yiv5906383174MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv5906383174 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt;}#yiv5906383174 div.yiv5906383174WordSection1 {}#yiv5906383174 Hi Hank, ?That is possible. There is also a incomplete one. The ?maneuvering thrusters are low thrust but the main thrusters are nice. An on 24-30 VDC.The manips are the most interesting. They operate with seawater hydraulics. The 800 mm Od. Is 50 mm Thick! ?Best regards, EmileVan: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: vrijdag 2 september 2016 14:14 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] subs still for sale ?Hi Emile,Perhaps the Mantis sub is better as a donor sub. ?I am sure you could do well to part it out-I for one would be interested in the thrusters. ?You might ?consider preparing a list of good parts for the group to review. ?Hank ?On Friday, September 2, 2016 3:38 AM, emile via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Hi,?I mentioned a while ago that several subs were for sale at a company that is closing down.Mention again as time is running out..?One Mantis is sold.? 1 is left as well as the 2 person research sub.?Asking price Mantis is Euro/Dollar 12.000,- You can find info on the internet about this one man subhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/in_pictures_technology0s_hidden_past/html/11.stm good condition, can be refitted to operational.?The 2 person (140 Meter/ 400 Ft) research sub is a good option for a psubber who wants to skip the heavy steel work.Maybe need ?a refit from hydraulic to electric thrusters. Asking price is 15.000 ,-Professinal build.It has a 1 meter Diameter hull and stainless steel flanges. See picture?You can ask me for more info in a pb. Emile @ airesearch. nl??met vriendelijke groet, best regards?Emile D.L. van Essen? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten?Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, > Carsten? > Hank > > On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus- > Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image 2016-09-04 at 6.27 PM.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18020 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Sep 4 21:58:20 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (k6fee via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2016 18:58:20 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Message-ID: I think that's part of the rescue softseal system. You need a lift type system to accommodate the collar, and for clearance ?to allow divers from the lockout. Keith T. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Date: 9/4/16 6:43 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Very curious skids... anyone know what those are about? They look to me like they might telescope vertically, like built-in jacks.? Best, Alec On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 8:31 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hello All,Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. ? It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten?Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Sep 4 23:17:11 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 20:17:11 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: giVhbnCMnnrRxgiVjbHRNx References: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> giVhbnCMnnrRxgiVjbHRNx Message-ID: <002f01d20723$ff3db690$fdb923b0$@telus.net> Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan _____ From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx > wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto- &vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18020 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Sep 4 23:45:44 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:45:44 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <002f01d20723$ff3db690$fdb923b0$@telus.net> References: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> <002f01d20723$ff3db690$fdb923b0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <310BC958-7D1C-4C2F-AF5B-75FE7AF29FC4@yahoo.com> Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Good find, Alan. > Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. > Tim > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. > http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html > Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up > to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? > Alan > > > > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > Hello All, > Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? > Hank > > On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 01:55:23 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 22:55:23 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: gks3bGhDhIF3xgks5bS4wg References: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> <002f01d20723$ff3db690$fdb923b0$@telus.net> gks3bGhDhIF3xgks5bS4wg Message-ID: <004d01d2073a$18836e90$498a4bb0$@telus.net> Alan, You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan _____ From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx > wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto- &vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 03:58:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:58:09 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <004d01d2073a$18836e90$498a4bb0$@telus.net> References: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> <002f01d20723$ff3db690$fdb923b0$@telus.net> <004d01d2073a$18836e90$498a4bb0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <2D14CE0D-4CB4-49FC-BB3C-6376BFC0A2CF@yahoo.com> It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. We do have a psub member in S.A. It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? Alan Sent from my iPad > On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. > Tim > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > Tim, > I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus > built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on > Ebay didn't look dive ready. > Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Good find, Alan. > Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. > Tim > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. > http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html > Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up > to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? > Alan > > > > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > Hello All, > Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? > Hank > > On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 10:41:31 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 16:41:31 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> References: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1473086491610.5440020.5823ca5ef2f160d73aae289a26ee7e5f25a90a41@spica.telekom.de> Zero deals at Ebay and 2000 USD deposit in 48 hours.. 2010 it was sold for 50.000 USD : http://ports.co.za/news/news_2010_09_20_01.php But for me to late. Have allready two boats. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T02:42:37+0200 Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 10:42:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 16:42:09 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: References: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1473086529882.5394186.f0e79408c9c27490ec6fab769fde4314781dd157@spica.telekom.de> so the diver can get out ? -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T03:45:50+0200 Von: "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Very curious skids... anyone know what those are about? They look to me like they might telescope vertically, like built-in jacks. Best, Alec On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 8:31 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx > wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus- Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 10:46:43 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 16:46:43 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <2D14CE0D-4CB4-49FC-BB3C-6376BFC0A2CF@yahoo.com> References: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> <002f01d20723$ff3db690$fdb923b0$@telus.net> <004d01d2073a$18836e90$498a4bb0$@telus.net> <2D14CE0D-4CB4-49FC-BB3C-6376BFC0A2CF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. We do have a psub member in S.A. It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Alan, You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [ mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [ mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx > wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have allready two boats. ?vbr Carsten????-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus subDatum: 2016-09-05T02:42:37+0200Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hello All,Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. ? It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten?Hank? On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 11:19:36 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 16:19:36 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <1473086491610.5440020.5823ca5ef2f160d73aae289a26ee7e5f25a90a41@spica.telekom.de> References: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> <1473086491610.5440020.5823ca5ef2f160d73aae289a26ee7e5f25a90a41@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: Hi Carsten, You have Euronaut and which other? On 5 September 2016 at 15:41, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Zero deals at Ebay and 2000 USD deposit in 48 hours.. > > > > 2010 it was sold for 50.000 USD : > > http://ports.co.za/news/news_2010_09_20_01.php > > > > But for me to late. Have allready two boats. > > > > vbr Carsten > > > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > Datum: 2016-09-05T02:42:37+0200 > > Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" org> > > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > > > > > > Hello All, > Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with > diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, > Carsten? > Hank > > On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus- > Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr > > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 11:19:49 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:19:49 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <156faef1be5-7b04-e212@webprd-a55.mail.aol.com> Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. We do have a psub member in S.A. It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 13:02:19 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:02:19 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: gvjXbsAoqnrRxgvjYbK2k5 References: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> gvjXbsAoqnrRxgvjYbK2k5 Message-ID: <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat. Built by Hyco is good. It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here. Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. We do have a psub member in S.A. It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alan, You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan _____ From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 13:29:48 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> References: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> Message-ID: <693034292.1521626.1473096589031@mail.yahoo.com> Tim,The dream is only dead if you let it die. ?You should not go through life wanting?something. ?I deal with a shipping broker that can give you a shipping cost. ?Make them an offer-- at least you can feel good that you tried. ?There will not be a line up to buy the Taurus sub. ?Anyone in a position to own and operate such a sub can buy one ready to go and certified. ?That leaves people like us to buy the obsolete subs. ?Hank On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv9807758465 #yiv9807758465 -- _filtered #yiv9807758465 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9807758465 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9807758465 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9807758465 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv9807758465 #yiv9807758465 p.yiv9807758465MsoNormal, #yiv9807758465 li.yiv9807758465MsoNormal, #yiv9807758465 div.yiv9807758465MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv9807758465 a:link, #yiv9807758465 span.yiv9807758465MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9807758465 a:visited, #yiv9807758465 span.yiv9807758465MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9807758465 span.yiv9807758465EmailStyle18 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv9807758465 .yiv9807758465MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv9807758465 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9807758465 div.yiv9807758465WordSection1 {}#yiv9807758465 Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat.? Built by Hyco is good.? It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here.? Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub ?Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus subDatum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out.We do have a psub member in S.A.It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient?What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs?Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought.? At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint.? I should bid $10,000.? With shipping it might just work out.? Hmmm.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Tim,I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus?built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one onEbay didn't look dive ready.?Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good find, Alan.Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul?? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. ?However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. ?Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again.? Serious money required.? Pretty cool, though.Tim??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?There are some specs on this Silvercrest site.http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.htmlWould hate to think what you may be in for, getting it upto scratch. 8 view ports to replace?Alan???From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Hello All,Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. ? It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten?Hank?On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote:?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 5 September 2016 at 15:41, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Zero deals at Ebay and 2000 USD deposit in 48 hours.. 2010 it was sold for 50.000 USD : http://ports.co.za/news/news_2010_09_20_01.php But for me to late. Have allready two boats. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T02:42:37+0200 Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx > wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus- Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 5 17:41:39 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 23:41:39 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <693034292.1521626.1473096589031@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> <693034292.1521626.1473096589031@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1473111699243.5500201.08c5a6659796f63f020de8ff93b66802a39be72b@spica.telekom.de> If you like to go autonomus offshore an look out diver this is probably a cheap way. Maybe the cheapest ever. If you like to operate just a private submarine for pleasure - this is a really expensive way. Seems it depends on you targets. I original search for a second hand military one - small size 450 ts or so. Than decide that it is cheaper on the long term to build my own with 70 ts instead have a permanent crew of 12 or so. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T19:36:56+0200 Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Tim, The dream is only dead if you let it die. You should not go through life wanting something. I deal with a shipping broker that can give you a shipping cost. Make them an offer-- at least you can feel good that you tried. There will not be a line up to buy the Taurus sub. Anyone in a position to own and operate such a sub can buy one ready to go and certified. That leaves people like us to buy the obsolete subs. Hank On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat. Built by Hyco is good. It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here. Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. We do have a psub member in S.A. It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Alan, You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [ mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [ mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx > wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 5 September 2016 at 22:34, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Sgt.Peppers.. > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > Datum: 2016-09-05T17:23:32+0200 > > Von: "James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > > > > > > Hi Carsten, > You have Euronaut and which other? > > On 5 September 2016 at 15:41, MerlinSub at t-online.de via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Zero deals at Ebay and 2000 USD deposit in 48 hours.. >> >> >> >> 2010 it was sold for 50.000 USD : >> >> http://ports.co.za/news/news_2010_09_20_01.php >> >> >> >> But for me to late. Have allready two boats. >> >> >> >> vbr Carsten >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub >> >> Datum: 2016-09-05T02:42:37+0200 >> >> Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello All, >> Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons >> with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in >> Europe, Carsten? >> Hank >> >> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/ >> 122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 6 05:41:31 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 11:41:31 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: References: <899585714.1183982.1473035485352@mail.yahoo.com> <1473086491610.5440020.5823ca5ef2f160d73aae289a26ee7e5f25a90a41@spica.telekom.de> <1473111264027.7057884.614b74d6b91df015a7c0f3c14599374be160bd98@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <1473154891346.5514087.370e38c9bc210e79612c771b1b28c3d310e0f236@spica.telekom.de> Yes some years ago. And purchase it back later. Its for sale now. 24.000 Euro asking fully operational. Less if somebody grap and go as it is. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-06T11:29:30+0200 Von: "James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" aah. thought you had sold that to Emile. On 5 September 2016 at 22:34, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Sgt.Peppers.. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T17:23:32+0200 Von: "James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Hi Carsten, You have Euronaut and which other? On 5 September 2016 at 15:41, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Zero deals at Ebay and 2000 USD deposit in 48 hours.. 2010 it was sold for 50.000 USD : http://ports.co.za/news/news_2010_09_20_01.php But for me to late. Have allready two boats. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T02:42:37+0200 Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? Hank On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx > wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/ 122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 6 08:16:14 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 12:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> References: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1219197970.1845645.1473164174158@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tim,How big are you thinking for a habitat. ?Where would you put it? ?can you plunk it down anywhere you like? ?Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. ?Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. ?Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. ?I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. ?The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia ?on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. ?Hank On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv8729057407 #yiv8729057407 -- _filtered #yiv8729057407 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8729057407 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8729057407 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8729057407 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv8729057407 #yiv8729057407 p.yiv8729057407MsoNormal, #yiv8729057407 li.yiv8729057407MsoNormal, #yiv8729057407 div.yiv8729057407MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8729057407 a:link, #yiv8729057407 span.yiv8729057407MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8729057407 a:visited, #yiv8729057407 span.yiv8729057407MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8729057407 span.yiv8729057407EmailStyle18 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8729057407 .yiv8729057407MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv8729057407 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv8729057407 div.yiv8729057407WordSection1 {}#yiv8729057407 Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat.? Built by Hyco is good.? It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here.? Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub ?Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus subDatum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out.We do have a psub member in S.A.It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient?What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs?Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought.? At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint.? I should bid $10,000.? With shipping it might just work out.? Hmmm.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Tim,I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus?built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one onEbay didn't look dive ready.?Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good find, Alan.Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul?? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. ?However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. ?Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again.? Serious money required.? Pretty cool, though.Tim??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?There are some specs on this Silvercrest site.http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.htmlWould hate to think what you may be in for, getting it upto scratch. 8 view ports to replace?Alan???From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Hello All,Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. ? It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten?Hank?On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote:?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 6 11:38:52 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 08:38:52 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Two Harbors Video Message-ID: <20160906083852.760341A4@m0087793.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 7 00:12:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:12:09 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: hFNTbAu6Dcv8ihFNVbRU3F References: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> hFNTbAu6Dcv8ihFNVbRU3F Message-ID: <000001d208be$01e3a3f0$05aaebd0$@telus.net> Hi Hank, I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy it most anywhere. The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight close to 20,000 pounds. For me personally, low volume is the key to keeping it towable by my truck. Under 10,000 pounds for sure, preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds. A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft dia might be okay. At this point I am thinking about a habitat the size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass). Ambient pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is where to worki on it. I don't have sufficient shop space at this time, but hopefully soon. My dream is not dead yet, just constantly postponed. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hi Tim, How big are you thinking for a habitat. Where would you put it? can you plunk it down anywhere you like? Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. Hank On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat. Built by Hyco is good. It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here. Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. We do have a psub member in S.A. It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alan, You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan _____ From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 7 03:41:13 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 19:41:13 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <000001d208be$01e3a3f0$05aaebd0$@telus.net> References: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> <000001d208be$01e3a3f0$05aaebd0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <57193ACF-E71D-4B4A-9F74-C8D55BD5C6E2@yahoo.com> Tim, I like Hanks idea of finding a large cylinder with it's pressure resistant form. You could possibly pick one up very cheaply. Even though you are going ambient for the habitat, you can only equalise the pressure to one point in the water column. So at 5ft high with a moon pool entrance, the top of the habitat would be at a 2.5 psi internal pressure above ambient. Doesn't sound like much but if you multiply it out it is 360 pounds per square ft. I am a fan of putting motors on these habitats, to make them easy to put in position & relocate. I know this now sounds very much like a large ambient submarine, but why not! With a little bit more effort, you could double as both. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 7/09/2016, at 4:12 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Hank, > I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy it most anywhere. > The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight close to 20,000 pounds. For me personally, low volume is the key to keeping it towable by my truck. Under 10,000 pounds for sure, preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds. A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft dia might be okay. At this point I am thinking about a habitat the size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass). Ambient pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is where to worki on it. I don't have sufficient shop space at this time, but hopefully soon. My dream is not dead yet, just constantly postponed. > Tim > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > Hi Tim, > How big are you thinking for a habitat. Where would you put it? can you plunk it down anywhere you like? Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. > Hank > > > On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat. Built by Hyco is good. It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here. Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available. > Tim > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. > And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. > Nearly nothing. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 > Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. > We do have a psub member in S.A. > It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? > What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? > Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Alan, > You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. > Tim > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > Tim, > I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus > built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on > Ebay didn't look dive ready. > Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Good find, Alan. > Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. > Tim > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. > http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html > Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up > to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? > Alan > > > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub > > Hello All, > Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? > Hank > > On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ? > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 7 06:57:00 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:57:00 +0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <57193ACF-E71D-4B4A-9F74-C8D55BD5C6E2@yahoo.com> References: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> <000001d208be$01e3a3f0$05aaebd0$@telus.net> <57193ACF-E71D-4B4A-9F74-C8D55BD5C6E2@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0404737a-a151-f8d3-6b03-bd366919c7e5@archivale.com> Sounds like Simon Lake's early work. Marc On 9/7/2016 3:41 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Tim, > I like Hanks idea of finding a large cylinder with it's pressure > resistant form. > You could possibly pick one up very cheaply. > Even though you are going ambient for the habitat, you can only equalise > the > pressure to one point in the water column. > So at 5ft high with a moon pool entrance, the top of the habitat would > be at a 2.5 psi > internal pressure above ambient. Doesn't sound like much but if you > multiply it out > it is 360 pounds per square ft. > I am a fan of putting motors on these habitats, to make them easy to put > in position > & relocate. I know this now sounds very much like a large ambient > submarine, but > why not! With a little bit more effort, you could double as both. > Alan > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 7/09/2016, at 4:12 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: > >> Hi Hank, >> >> I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy >> it most anywhere. >> >> The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. >> This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight >> close to 20,000 pounds. For me personally, low volume is the key to >> keeping it towable by my truck. Under 10,000 pounds for sure, >> preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds. A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft >> dia might be okay. At this point I am thinking about a habitat the >> size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass). Ambient >> pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required >> (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is >> where to worki on it. I don't have sufficient shop space at this >> time, but hopefully soon. My dream is not dead yet, just constantly >> postponed. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*Personal_Submersibles >> [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *hank >> pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> > >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub >> >> >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> How big are you thinking for a habitat. Where would you put it? can >> you plunk it down anywhere you like? Heck I have seen big tanks on >> skids that could be modified in a weekend. Give me some idea of max >> and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. Actually I have a >> tank on skids you can have for free. I got it to build a bigger sub >> but can't seem to pull the trigger. The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet >> dia on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. >> >> Hank >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via >> Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: >> >> >> >> Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat. Built by Hyco >> is good. It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver >> than to have this bus shipped here. Alan's right, the dream is >> probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:*Personal_Submersibles >> [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM >> *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub >> >> >> >> Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was >> designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from >> seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked >> (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to >> compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in >> the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, >> Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific >> kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be >> equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of >> compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and >> along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might >> imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. >> >> Vance >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via >> Personal_Submersibles > > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> > >> Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub >> >> 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. >> >> And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. >> >> Nearly nothing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub >> >> Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 >> >> Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> >> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. >> >> We do have a psub member in S.A. >> >> It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or >> ambient? >> >> What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles >> > > wrote: >> >> Alan, >> >> You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch >> pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I >> should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:*Personal_Submersibles >> [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of >> *Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> > > >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub >> >> >> >> Tim, >> >> I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there >> more than one Taurus >> >> built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa >> though. Certainly the one on >> >> Ebay didn't look dive ready. >> >> Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk >> the price down. >> >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles >> > > wrote: >> >> Good find, Alan. >> >> Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately >> available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is >> in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub >> valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in >> dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal >> sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the >> systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that >> amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*Personal_Submersibles >> [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of >> *Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> > > >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub >> >> >> >> There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. >> >> http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html >> >> Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up >> >> to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> > > >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> > > >> *Sent:* Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM >> *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub >> >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is >> 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is >> not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? >> >> Hank >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx > > wrote: >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 7 07:14:40 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 11:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <000001d208be$01e3a3f0$05aaebd0$@telus.net> References: <1473086803630.5467976.e2c8b2c34dca3d54ca104facfd453b87f169dc07@spica.telekom.de> <000001d20797$43fb8960$cbf29c20$@telus.net> <000001d208be$01e3a3f0$05aaebd0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1276056565.240042.1473246880874@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tim,Shows what I know--I thought they sat on the bottom in place forever and were heavy structures covered in?marine ?growth. ?That size and weight makes it much easier. ?I guess your neighbours don't want a tent garage in your diveway with grinders going ;-)Hank On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 10:13 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv4034019489 #yiv4034019489 -- _filtered #yiv4034019489 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4034019489 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4034019489 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4034019489 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv4034019489 #yiv4034019489 p.yiv4034019489MsoNormal, #yiv4034019489 li.yiv4034019489MsoNormal, #yiv4034019489 div.yiv4034019489MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv4034019489 a:link, #yiv4034019489 span.yiv4034019489MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4034019489 a:visited, #yiv4034019489 span.yiv4034019489MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4034019489 p.yiv4034019489msonormal, #yiv4034019489 li.yiv4034019489msonormal, #yiv4034019489 div.yiv4034019489msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv4034019489 span.yiv4034019489msohyperlink {}#yiv4034019489 span.yiv4034019489msohyperlinkfollowed {}#yiv4034019489 span.yiv4034019489emailstyle18 {}#yiv4034019489 p.yiv4034019489msonormal1, #yiv4034019489 li.yiv4034019489msonormal1, #yiv4034019489 div.yiv4034019489msonormal1 {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv4034019489 span.yiv4034019489msohyperlink1 {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4034019489 span.yiv4034019489msohyperlinkfollowed1 {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4034019489 span.yiv4034019489emailstyle181 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv4034019489 span.yiv4034019489EmailStyle26 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv4034019489 .yiv4034019489MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv4034019489 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv4034019489 div.yiv4034019489WordSection1 {}#yiv4034019489 Hi Hank,I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy it most anywhere.The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight close to 20,000 pounds. ?For me personally, low volume is the key to keeping it towable by my truck.? Under 10,000 pounds for sure, preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds.? A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft dia might be okay.? At this point I am thinking about a habitat the size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass).? Ambient pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is where to worki on it.? I don't have sufficient shop space at this time, but hopefully soon. ?My dream is not dead yet, just constantly postponed.Tim ? ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub ?Hi Tim,How big are you thinking for a habitat. ?Where would you put it? ?can you plunk it down anywhere you like? ?Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. ?Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. ?Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. ?I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. ?The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia ?on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. ?Hank ?On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat.? Built by Hyco is good.? It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here.? Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance-----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus subDatum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out.We do have a psub member in S.A.It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient?What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs?Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought.? At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint.? I should bid $10,000.? With shipping it might just work out.? Hmmm.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Tim,I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus?built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one onEbay didn't look dive ready.?Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good find, Alan.Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul?? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. ?However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. ?Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again.? Serious money required.? Pretty cool, though.Tim??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?There are some specs on this Silvercrest site.http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.htmlWould hate to think what you may be in for, getting it upto scratch. 8 view ports to replace?Alan???From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Hello All,Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. ? It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten?Hank?On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote:?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Sent from my iPad > On 8/09/2016, at 3:33 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Here is more video from Two Harbors, Maybe a location for a convention some day ??? > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-ppilbjWPs > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 7 19:36:35 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:36:35 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] more catalina video Message-ID: <20160907163635.7600EE96@m0087793.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 7 19:43:49 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 19:43:49 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seehund model Message-ID: <00543cba-29f0-5c32-1a2f-be727a521f31@ohiohills.com> The most recent HistoricRail.com catalog has a Seehund model for sale. For $84.95 you get a Seehund on a flatcar. For $135 you can get the Seehund on its car and a second flatcar that carries two torpedoes. It's HO gauge. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 7 19:56:16 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] more catalina video In-Reply-To: <20160907163635.7600EE96@m0087793.ppops.net> References: <20160907163635.7600EE96@m0087793.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1899601178.632761.1473292576821@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,If you can get us ?a barge ride, I will bring Gamma! ?That would be?awesome.Hank On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 5:36 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: It could be done.? On the Hyperbaric Chamber Video they have accommodations there and they were very enthusiastic about the prospect of something like that .? Also the Blue Caverns are just around the corner from that spot, about 100 ft depth.? I was gong to try and dive that spot , but that's a bit deep for me, especially alone !????? It would definitely be a long tow.???Hitching a ride on a barge could be an option but pricey .? However that facility may have a way to do it, they are part of USC .? ?Brian?? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] more catalina video Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:57:58 +1200 Looks a nice spot Brian.I had a look at some underwater footage of the area. Nice clear waterwith seaweed forests & lots of fish.?It is 20 miles off shore, so would be a bit problematic getting the subsout there for a conference.?Alan ? Sent from my iPad On 8/09/2016, at 3:33 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Here is more video from Two Harbors,? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 8 00:08:28 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 21:08:28 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub Message-ID: <000d01d20986$a8171b80$f8455280$@telus.net> Hi Alan, One of the best ways to pressure test a small ambient habitat is to turn it upside down and fill it with water. The pressure that the water exerts trying to explode the hull is exactly the same as that of the buoyant force of air trying to explode the hull underwater. You would not believe that number of laymen (and engineers) that I have to explain that to, most people think the water is trying to crush an ambient habitat. That being said, 3/8 inch steel hull and 3/8 inch Plexiglas windows (don't even need to be round) will be sufficient. The Scott Carpenter is the example of note. Baylab and MarineLab are the typical cylindrical style and both were surplus steel tanks. Something similar to Hank's Gamma, a 41 inch diameter by 8 foot long cylinder, would work for me. And a motorized chassis added later would easily convert the habitat into an ambient submarine. I am thinking of a miniature JUL barge configuration for deployment stability ease. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:41 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I like Hanks idea of finding a large cylinder with it's pressure resistant form. You could possibly pick one up very cheaply. Even though you are going ambient for the habitat, you can only equalise the pressure to one point in the water column. So at 5ft high with a moon pool entrance, the top of the habitat would be at a 2.5 psi internal pressure above ambient. Doesn't sound like much but if you multiply it out it is 360 pounds per square ft. I am a fan of putting motors on these habitats, to make them easy to put in position & relocate. I know this now sounds very much like a large ambient submarine, but why not! With a little bit more effort, you could double as both. Alan Sent from my iPad On 7/09/2016, at 4:12 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Hank, I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy it most anywhere. The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight close to 20,000 pounds. For me personally, low volume is the key to keeping it towable by my truck. Under 10,000 pounds for sure, preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds. A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft dia might be okay. At this point I am thinking about a habitat the size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass). Ambient pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is where to worki on it. I don't have sufficient shop space at this time, but hopefully soon. My dream is not dead yet, just constantly postponed. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hi Tim, How big are you thinking for a habitat. Where would you put it? can you plunk it down anywhere you like? Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. Hank On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat. Built by Hyco is good. It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here. Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. We do have a psub member in S.A. It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alan, You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan _____ From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 8 03:48:43 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 07:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <000d01d20986$a8171b80$f8455280$@telus.net> References: <000d01d20986$a8171b80$f8455280$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1229129339.1579343.1473320924020@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tim,I am possibly the inventor of that "turn the sub upside down &fill with water" analogy. I know I have posted it a few timesover the years.The only problem with all this is what your wife?is going to?say whenshe finds?a large lpg tank in her?backyard! Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub Hi Alan,One of the best ways to pressure test a small ambient habitat is to turn it upside down and fill it with water.? The pressure that the water exerts trying to explode the hull is exactly the? same as that of the buoyant force of air trying to explode the hull underwater.? You would not believe that number of laymen (and engineers) that I have to explain that to, most people think the water is trying to crush an ambient habitat.That being said, 3/8 inch steel hull and 3/8 inch Plexiglas windows (don't even need to be round) will be sufficient.? The Scott Carpenter is the example of note.? Baylab and MarineLab are the typical cylindrical style and both were surplus steel tanks.Something similar to Hank's Gamma, a 41 inch diameter by 8 foot long cylinder, would work for me.? And a motorized chassis added later would easily convert the habitat into an ambient submarine. I am thinking of a miniature JUL barge configuration for deployment stability ease.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:41 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub ?Tim,?I like Hanks idea of finding a large cylinder with it's pressure resistant form.You could possibly pick one up very cheaply.Even though you are going ambient for the habitat, you can only equalise the?pressure to one point in the water column.So at 5ft high with a moon pool entrance, the top of the habitat would be at a 2.5 psiinternal pressure above ambient. Doesn't sound like much but if you multiply it outit is 360 pounds per square ft.?I am a fan of putting motors on these habitats, to make them easy to put in position& relocate. I know this now sounds very much like a large ambient submarine, butwhy not! With a little bit more effort, you could double as both.Alan ? ? ? Sent from my iPad On 7/09/2016, at 4:12 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank,I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy it most anywhere.The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight close to 20,000 pounds. ?For me personally, low volume is the key to keeping it towable by my truck.? Under 10,000 pounds for sure, preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds.? A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft dia might be okay.? At this point I am thinking about a habitat the size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass).? Ambient pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is where to worki on it.? I don't have sufficient shop space at this time, but hopefully soon. ?My dream is not dead yet, just constantly postponed.Tim??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Hi Tim,How big are you thinking for a habitat. ?Where would you put it? ?can you plunk it down anywhere you like? ?Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. ?Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. ?Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. ?I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. ?The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia ?on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. ?Hank?On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote:?Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat.? Built by Hyco is good.? It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here.? Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance-----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus subDatum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out.We do have a psub member in S.A.It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient?What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs?Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought.? At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint.? I should bid $10,000.? With shipping it might just work out.? Hmmm.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Tim,I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus?built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one onEbay didn't look dive ready.?Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good find, Alan.Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul?? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. ?However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. ?Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again.? Serious money required.? Pretty cool, though.Tim??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?There are some specs on this Silvercrest site.http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.htmlWould hate to think what you may be in for, getting it upto scratch. 8 view ports to replace?Alan???From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Hello All,Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. ? It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten?Hank?On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote:?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can stick my head in there and look around !?? I'll be fitting lead in there.?? I also fired up that smelter and melted a bunch of lead, works really good !?? I didn't do anything with the lead I just wanted to see how long it would take to melt.? Next project is to make metal forms to pour the lead into, and to make my drop weight assembly.?? ?Brian? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Urethane spring balanced access hatch with overpressure relief.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 12:12 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Op valve I have been reading the Mantis submersible ?spec sheet, and the aft entry dome is also the Op valve. ?The dome is spring loaded to allow it to open a wee bit in the event of an OP. ?Cool!Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 8 21:54:32 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 01:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Op valve In-Reply-To: <852670470.2105590.1473384378412@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2077632309.1324067.1473379979076.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2077632309.1324067.1473379979076@mail.yahoo.com> <852670470.2105590.1473384378412@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1350291236.1401019.1473386072602@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,Sounds about right. ?Brilliant really.Hank On Thursday, September 8, 2016 7:26 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, I wonder if that's what they do on the Deep Flight submersibles.On their specs they say...? Urethane spring balanced access hatch with overpressure relief.Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 12:12 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Op valve I have been reading the Mantis submersible ?spec sheet, and the aft entry dome is also the Op valve. ?The dome is spring loaded to allow it to open a wee bit in the event of an OP. ?Cool!Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 8 23:09:15 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 03:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OP valve References: <511653915.2178339.1473390555567.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511653915.2178339.1473390555567@mail.yahoo.com> Hank,I would like to know what is going on with the Deep Flight Dragondome & hatch arrangement (if anyone knows). From videos it lookslike they have a retaining ring around the base of the dome. Ratherthan screwing the retaining ring down from the outside, they have cap screws going upward from the mating flange. This makes it look more tidy. I guess the structure over the top of the dome is addedsecurity & for collision avoidance. I am not sure that it actually touches the dome. I think the whole hatch would open (if it is the overpressure safety valve) rather than the dome itself lifting.I haven't decided on my dome & hatch arrangement, but have likedthis design.Alan? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 8 23:54:44 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 20:54:44 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub In-Reply-To: hu5pbGZtWnrRxhu5qbc9Ps References: <000d01d20986$a8171b80$f8455280$@telus.net> hu5pbGZtWnrRxhu5qbc9Ps Message-ID: <000801d20a4d$e7780dd0$b6682970$@telus.net> Hi Alan, Good question. Shelley enjoyed our stay in JUL and MarineLab, and is okay with mine happening later. In the meantime the mock up makes a good camper unit. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:49 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub Hi Tim, I am possibly the inventor of that "turn the sub upside down & fill with water" analogy. I know I have posted it a few times over the years. The only problem with all this is what your wife is going to say when she finds a large lpg tank in her backyard! Alan _____ From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub Hi Alan, One of the best ways to pressure test a small ambient habitat is to turn it upside down and fill it with water. The pressure that the water exerts trying to explode the hull is exactly the same as that of the buoyant force of air trying to explode the hull underwater. You would not believe that number of laymen (and engineers) that I have to explain that to, most people think the water is trying to crush an ambient habitat. That being said, 3/8 inch steel hull and 3/8 inch Plexiglas windows (don't even need to be round) will be sufficient. The Scott Carpenter is the example of note. Baylab and MarineLab are the typical cylindrical style and both were surplus steel tanks. Something similar to Hank's Gamma, a 41 inch diameter by 8 foot long cylinder, would work for me. And a motorized chassis added later would easily convert the habitat into an ambient submarine. I am thinking of a miniature JUL barge configuration for deployment stability ease. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:41 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I like Hanks idea of finding a large cylinder with it's pressure resistant form. You could possibly pick one up very cheaply. Even though you are going ambient for the habitat, you can only equalise the pressure to one point in the water column. So at 5ft high with a moon pool entrance, the top of the habitat would be at a 2.5 psi internal pressure above ambient. Doesn't sound like much but if you multiply it out it is 360 pounds per square ft. I am a fan of putting motors on these habitats, to make them easy to put in position & relocate. I know this now sounds very much like a large ambient submarine, but why not! With a little bit more effort, you could double as both. Alan Sent from my iPad On 7/09/2016, at 4:12 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Hank, I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy it most anywhere. The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight close to 20,000 pounds. For me personally, low volume is the key to keeping it towable by my truck. Under 10,000 pounds for sure, preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds. A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft dia might be okay. At this point I am thinking about a habitat the size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass). Ambient pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is where to worki on it. I don't have sufficient shop space at this time, but hopefully soon. My dream is not dead yet, just constantly postponed. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hi Tim, How big are you thinking for a habitat. Where would you put it? can you plunk it down anywhere you like? Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. Hank On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat. Built by Hyco is good. It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here. Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. We do have a psub member in S.A. It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alan, You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan _____ From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 9 02:43:11 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 06:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub In-Reply-To: <000801d20a4d$e7780dd0$b6682970$@telus.net> References: <000d01d20986$a8171b80$f8455280$@telus.net> <000801d20a4d$e7780dd0$b6682970$@telus.net> Message-ID: <371636394.2202974.1473403391834@mail.yahoo.com> Now there's a good thought Tim,a caravan / boat / underwater habitat / ambient submarine combo!If the authorities won't let you camp or moor, then just go underwater.Alan From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub #yiv8383470690 #yiv8383470690 -- _filtered #yiv8383470690 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8383470690 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8383470690 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8383470690 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv8383470690 #yiv8383470690 p.yiv8383470690MsoNormal, #yiv8383470690 li.yiv8383470690MsoNormal, #yiv8383470690 div.yiv8383470690MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8383470690 a:link, #yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8383470690 a:visited, #yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8383470690 p.yiv8383470690msonormal, #yiv8383470690 li.yiv8383470690msonormal, #yiv8383470690 div.yiv8383470690msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8383470690 p.yiv8383470690msonormal1, #yiv8383470690 li.yiv8383470690msonormal1, #yiv8383470690 div.yiv8383470690msonormal1 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8383470690 p.yiv8383470690msochpdefault, #yiv8383470690 li.yiv8383470690msochpdefault, #yiv8383470690 div.yiv8383470690msochpdefault {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690msohyperlink {}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690msohyperlinkfollowed {}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690msohyperlink1 {}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690msohyperlinkfollowed1 {}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690emailstyle181 {}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690emailstyle25 {}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690emailstyle27 {}#yiv8383470690 p.yiv8383470690msonormal2, #yiv8383470690 li.yiv8383470690msonormal2, #yiv8383470690 div.yiv8383470690msonormal2 {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690msohyperlink2 {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690msohyperlinkfollowed2 {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8383470690 p.yiv8383470690msonormal3, #yiv8383470690 li.yiv8383470690msonormal3, #yiv8383470690 div.yiv8383470690msonormal3 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8383470690 p.yiv8383470690msonormal11, #yiv8383470690 li.yiv8383470690msonormal11, #yiv8383470690 div.yiv8383470690msonormal11 {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690msohyperlink11 {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690msohyperlinkfollowed11 {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690emailstyle1811 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690emailstyle251 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690emailstyle271 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8383470690 p.yiv8383470690msochpdefault1, #yiv8383470690 li.yiv8383470690msochpdefault1, #yiv8383470690 div.yiv8383470690msochpdefault1 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv8383470690 span.yiv8383470690EmailStyle39 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv8383470690 .yiv8383470690MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv8383470690 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv8383470690 div.yiv8383470690WordSection1 {}#yiv8383470690 Hi Alan,Good question.? Shelley enjoyed our stay in JUL and MarineLab, and is okay with mine happening later. In the meantime the mock up makes a good camper unit.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:49 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub ?Hi Tim,I am possibly the inventor of that "turn the sub upside down &fill with water" analogy. I know I have posted it a few timesover the years.The only problem with all this is what your wife?is going to?say whenshe finds?a large lpg tank in her?backyard! Alan ? ? ?From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub ?Hi Alan,One of the best ways to pressure test a small ambient habitat is to turn it upside down and fill it with water.? The pressure that the water exerts trying to explode the hull is exactly the? same as that of the buoyant force of air trying to explode the hull underwater.? You would not believe that number of laymen (and engineers) that I have to explain that to, most people think the water is trying to crush an ambient habitat.That being said, 3/8 inch steel hull and 3/8 inch Plexiglas windows (don't even need to be round) will be sufficient.? The Scott Carpenter is the example of note.? Baylab and MarineLab are the typical cylindrical style and both were surplus steel tanks.Something similar to Hank's Gamma, a 41 inch diameter by 8 foot long cylinder, would work for me.? And a motorized chassis added later would easily convert the habitat into an ambient submarine. I am thinking of a miniature JUL barge configuration for deployment stability ease.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:41 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Tim,?I like Hanks idea of finding a large cylinder with it's pressure resistant form.You could possibly pick one up very cheaply.Even though you are going ambient for the habitat, you can only equalise the?pressure to one point in the water column.So at 5ft high with a moon pool entrance, the top of the habitat would be at a 2.5 psiinternal pressure above ambient. Doesn't sound like much but if you multiply it outit is 360 pounds per square ft.?I am a fan of putting motors on these habitats, to make them easy to put in position& relocate. I know this now sounds very much like a large ambient submarine, butwhy not! With a little bit more effort, you could double as both.Alan??? Sent from my iPad On 7/09/2016, at 4:12 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank,I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy it most anywhere.The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight close to 20,000 pounds. ?For me personally, low volume is the key to keeping it towable by my truck.? Under 10,000 pounds for sure, preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds.? A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft dia might be okay.? At this point I am thinking about a habitat the size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass).? Ambient pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is where to worki on it.? I don't have sufficient shop space at this time, but hopefully soon. ?My dream is not dead yet, just constantly postponed.Tim??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Hi Tim,How big are you thinking for a habitat. ?Where would you put it? ?can you plunk it down anywhere you like? ?Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. ?Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. ?Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. ?I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. ?The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia ?on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. ?Hank?On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote:?Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat.? Built by Hyco is good.? It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here.? Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance-----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus subDatum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out.We do have a psub member in S.A.It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient?What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs?Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought.? At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint.? I should bid $10,000.? With shipping it might just work out.? Hmmm.Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Tim,I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus?built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one onEbay didn't look dive ready.?Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good find, Alan.Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul?? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. ?However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. ?Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again.? Serious money required.? Pretty cool, though.Tim??From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?There are some specs on this Silvercrest site.http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.htmlWould hate to think what you may be in for, getting it upto scratch. 8 view ports to replace?Alan???From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub?Hello All,Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. ? It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten?Hank?On Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:28 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote:?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scientific-Taurus-Submarine-/122109506536?hash=item1c6e4b33e8:g:V60AAOSwvzRXxto-&vxp=mtr ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 9 02:52:53 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 06:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] lead Smelter In-Reply-To: <20160908233633.76064E83@m0087798.ppops.net> References: <20160908233633.76064E83@m0087798.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1593978778.2223004.1473403973348@mail.yahoo.com> My wood was pretty dry.I have a friend that ended up with lead on the ceiling of his basementdue to a drop of water in a sinker mold.Below?is what they are saying on a boating forum.AlanSodium Silicate "waterglass" used to seal eggs in the shell and to make Hollywood whiskey bottles, and to keep molds from exploding. What Mr.Scheuer says. I'll add that you can make your mold out of plywood(3/4" thick) with simple 2X3,2X4 framing stock,depending on how complex the shape.The entire interior of you mold must be generously coated with the water glass and allowed to be perfectly dry before pouring.Simple slab sided ballast keels are easy enough. When you are ready to pour, bring the lead to a liquid state but do not over heat it needlessly.That is, do not wait until you see a purplish sheen on the molten surface. Yes, your mold will smoke and there will be charring but it will be minimal and have litle to no effect on the casting itself.Allow for some small shrinkage too. Work smart when dealing with the molten lead.Ie: plenty of ventilation, wear heavy full coverage clothing and stay focused on the task. From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] lead Smelter Wood ??? That's interesting.? If the wood was moist do you think it might explode or something??Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] lead Smelter Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 01:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Brian,I made a number of 5kg lead blocks by pouring the lead in towooden molds. The harder the wood the better. Of course the moldsget black & occasionally catch on fire, but they are easy to make & easyto get the lead out of. Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: PSubs Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 12:54 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] lead Smelter Started back working on my sub, it's been so hot that it's impossible to get anything done.? It still hot but should cool down soon.? I cut a big hole in the bottom of my sub ( concrete part)? I can stick my head in there and look around !?? I'll be fitting lead in there.?? I also fired up that smelter and melted a bunch of lead, works really good !?? I didn't do anything with the lead I just wanted to see how long it would take to melt.? Next project is to make metal forms to pour the lead into, and to make my drop weight assembly.?? ?Brian? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 9 04:47:34 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 10:47:34 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Op valve /manual In-Reply-To: <1350291236.1401019.1473386072602@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2077632309.1324067.1473379979076.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2077632309.1324067.1473379979076@mail.yahoo.com> <852670470.2105590.1473384378412@mail.yahoo.com> <1350291236.1401019.1473386072602@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <026701d20a76$cf8a6d20$6e9f4760$@nl> Sure it is good. In a fast emg. Ascent , every other OP valve is too small.. Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: vrijdag 9 september 2016 3:55 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Op valve Alan, Sounds about right. Brilliant really. Hank On Thursday, September 8, 2016 7:26 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, I wonder if that's what they do on the Deep Flight submersibles. On their specs they say...? Urethane spring balanced access hatch with overpressure relief. Alan _____ From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 12:12 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Op valve I have been reading the Mantis submersible spec sheet, and the aft entry dome is also the Op valve. The dome is spring loaded to allow it to open a wee bit in the event of an OP. Cool! 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Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: vrijdag 9 september 2016 13:54 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber Scott, How did you make out with a HP test chamber Hank On Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:54 PM, Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I need to buy or make a testing chamber for testing parts for Pisces VI. It needs to go up to 5,000 psi. I need to to be 24" diameter and 36" long or bigger. Something pre-made and as low cost as possible is prefered, but I am assuming I will have to make it. Any suggestions? Thank you, Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? 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Thank you, Scott Waters > -------Original Message------- > From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber > Sent: Sep 09 '16 07:24 > > I can get my hands on such a test chamber. But don?t know the excact > size and pressure. The walls are ok with about 2?but don?t know > if the closure will hold 350 Bar. > > Emile > > VAN: Personal_Submersibles > [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] NAMENS hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > VERZONDEN: vrijdag 9 september 2016 13:54 > AAN: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > ONDERWERP: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber > > Scott, > > How did you make out with a HP test chamber > > Hank > > On Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:54 PM, Scott Waters via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I need to buy or make a testing chamber for testing parts for Pisces > VI. It needs to go up to 5,000 psi. I need to to be 24" diameter and > 36" long or bigger. Something pre-made and as low cost as possible is > prefered, but I am assuming I will have to make it. Any suggestions? > > Thank you, > > Scott Waters > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > ------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 9 12:09:36 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 11:09:36 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?Test_chamber?= In-Reply-To: <2072435833.1466831.1473422021601@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2gdxvspfxowau6l0hbkxqbga.1472756026296@email.android.com> <2072435833.1466831.1473422021601@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20160909160936.7767.qmail@server268.com> Hank, No progress so far. Still trying. I may end up having to build one and I am guessing it won't be cheap. Thank you, Scott Waters > -------Original Message------- > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber > Sent: Sep 09 '16 06:59 > > Scott, > How did you make out with a HP test chamber > Hank > > On Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:54 PM, Scott Waters via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I need to buy or make a testing chamber for testing parts for Pisces > VI. It needs to go up to 5,000 psi. I need to to be 24" diameter and > 36" long or bigger. Something pre-made and as low cost as possible is > prefered, but I am assuming I will have to make it. Any suggestions? > Thank you, > Scott Waters > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > ------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 9 13:43:20 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber In-Reply-To: <20160909160936.7767.qmail@server268.com> References: <2gdxvspfxowau6l0hbkxqbga.1472756026296@email.android.com> <2072435833.1466831.1473422021601@mail.yahoo.com> <20160909160936.7767.qmail@server268.com> Message-ID: <1253660675.1710517.1473443000476@mail.yahoo.com> Scott,I was looking at a pressure vessel with a opening end 30 in OD ?with a 1,100 psi rating and it has a 2 in wall thickness. ? It is about 10K ?and weighs 8,500 lbsYikes, you are right, it will not be cheap. ?Hank On Friday, September 9, 2016 10:10 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, No progress so far. Still trying. I may end up having to build one and I am guessing it won't be cheap. Thank you, Scott Waters >? -------Original Message------- >? From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber >? Sent: Sep 09 '16 06:59 >? >? Scott, >? How did you make out with a HP test chamber >? Hank >? >? On Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:54 PM, Scott Waters via >? Personal_Submersibles wrote: >? >? I need to buy or make a testing chamber for testing parts for Pisces >? VI. It needs to go up to 5,000 psi. I need to to be 24" diameter and >? 36" long or bigger. Something pre-made and as low cost as possible is >? prefered, but I am assuming I will have to make it. Any suggestions? >? Thank you, >? Scott Waters >? >? 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Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 9/9/16 11:48 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: skirt Hi All,Anyone have an idea what I can use to make an?inflatable skirt like the one in the picture?Hank On Friday, September 9, 2016 12:47 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 9 16:58:28 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 20:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: skirt In-Reply-To: <518C8E27-7222-4C65-9CF7-DF169E74C168@yahoo.com> References: <1955704288.1680860.1473446927313@mail.yahoo.com> <518C8E27-7222-4C65-9CF7-DF169E74C168@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <551964956.1782230.1473454708555@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks' guys,I looked at children pools but they are a bit big and maybe not tough enough, I will look up lift tube, that is possible. ?Alan, it is around the hatch, and the sub is Cousteau's saucer sub.Hank On Friday, September 9, 2016 2:55 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, I cant see the drawing clearly.Is it for the area around the conning tower, or right round the diameterof the widest section of the hull?Alan Sent from my iPad On 10/09/2016, at 6:48 am, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,Anyone have an idea what I can use to make an?inflatable skirt like the one in the picture?Hank On Friday, September 9, 2016 12:47 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 9/9/16 11:48 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: skirt Hi All,Anyone have an idea what I can use to make an?inflatable skirt like the one in the picture?Hank On Friday, September 9, 2016 12:47 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They are built well and mostly are round.? A 6 man would be close to the size.Also could find someone who makes rubber dinghies.? Hypalon is the material of choice.? Hugh ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2016 9:05 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: ?Here is a better picture of the sail?collapsed. ?I am making a new MBT for Elementary from two aluminum satellite ?dishes. ? Just like the picture.Hank ?On Friday, September 9, 2016 3:02 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: ? ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 9 22:05:11 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:05:11 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub In-Reply-To: iFXbbgaVdvv77iFXcbK7iu References: <000d01d20986$a8171b80$f8455280$@telus.net> <000801d20a4d$e7780dd0$b6682970$@telus.net> iFXbbgaVdvv77iFXcbK7iu Message-ID: <000701d20b07$c452e810$4cf8b830$@telus.net> True, Alan. And with a properly designed ballast tray there wouldn't be any problem renting (hiring) 10 tons of gravel for ballast. No use carting the ballast around while I travel about deploying the habitat in various lakes and bays along the way. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:43 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub Now there's a good thought Tim, a caravan / boat / underwater habitat / ambient submarine combo! If the authorities won't let you camp or moor, then just go underwater. Alan _____ From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub Hi Alan, Good question. Shelley enjoyed our stay in JUL and MarineLab, and is okay with mine happening later. In the meantime the mock up makes a good camper unit. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:49 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub Hi Tim, I am possibly the inventor of that "turn the sub upside down & fill with water" analogy. I know I have posted it a few times over the years. The only problem with all this is what your wife is going to say when she finds a large lpg tank in her backyard! Alan _____ From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Habitat thoughts, was Taurus sub Hi Alan, One of the best ways to pressure test a small ambient habitat is to turn it upside down and fill it with water. The pressure that the water exerts trying to explode the hull is exactly the same as that of the buoyant force of air trying to explode the hull underwater. You would not believe that number of laymen (and engineers) that I have to explain that to, most people think the water is trying to crush an ambient habitat. That being said, 3/8 inch steel hull and 3/8 inch Plexiglas windows (don't even need to be round) will be sufficient. The Scott Carpenter is the example of note. Baylab and MarineLab are the typical cylindrical style and both were surplus steel tanks. Something similar to Hank's Gamma, a 41 inch diameter by 8 foot long cylinder, would work for me. And a motorized chassis added later would easily convert the habitat into an ambient submarine. I am thinking of a miniature JUL barge configuration for deployment stability ease. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:41 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I like Hanks idea of finding a large cylinder with it's pressure resistant form. You could possibly pick one up very cheaply. Even though you are going ambient for the habitat, you can only equalise the pressure to one point in the water column. So at 5ft high with a moon pool entrance, the top of the habitat would be at a 2.5 psi internal pressure above ambient. Doesn't sound like much but if you multiply it out it is 360 pounds per square ft. I am a fan of putting motors on these habitats, to make them easy to put in position & relocate. I know this now sounds very much like a large ambient submarine, but why not! With a little bit more effort, you could double as both. Alan Sent from my iPad On 7/09/2016, at 4:12 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Hank, I want something reasonably transportable (light) so that I can deploy it most anywhere. The BCIT habitat is designed as a 10ft long, 5ft wide, 5ft high box. This creates a 15,000 pound buoyant force resulting in a dry weight close to 20,000 pounds. For me personally, low volume is the key to keeping it towable by my truck. Under 10,000 pounds for sure, preferred somewhere around 6,000 pounds. A cylinder 8ft long with 4ft dia might be okay. At this point I am thinking about a habitat the size of a 3-man tent (but made of steel or fiberglass). Ambient pressure internally means that not a lot of structure is required (inexpensive) and low volume means easy deployment. The other issue is where to worki on it. I don't have sufficient shop space at this time, but hopefully soon. My dream is not dead yet, just constantly postponed. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 5:16 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hi Tim, How big are you thinking for a habitat. Where would you put it? can you plunk it down anywhere you like? Heck I have seen big tanks on skids that could be modified in a weekend. Give me some idea of max and min size and I will keep an eye out for one. Actually I have a tank on skids you can have for free. I got it to build a bigger sub but can't seem to pull the trigger. The tank is 21 feet long 5 feet dia on a skid 11\16 shell and 7\8 heads. Hank On Monday, September 5, 2016 11:03 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Sounds like she would be perfect as an ambient habitat. Built by Hyco is good. It is probably cheaper to have a habitat built in Vancouver than to have this bus shipped here. Alan's right, the dream is probably a nightmare unless big dollars are happily available. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 8:20 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Locking out was a possibility but never the intent. Taurus was designed to carry heavy valve replacements and the like to and from seabed work stations, using a dry transfer system. She worked (occasionally) in the North Sea (<350 meters depth) and was built to compete with the PC-16s from Perry, which were actually never used in the North Sea, but were kept busy in the Med, instead. In any case, Taurus's dry transfer hatch is enormous to accommodate some specific kind of valve and or valve manifold--the dry transfer chamber could be equalized or pressurized as occasion demanded. And she has a BUNCH of compensated batteries, very much like a Pisces (only arranged low and along the sides, rather than in the middle). She is, as you might imagine, a bit of a bus. And roomy? Oh my, yes. Vance -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2016 10:47 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub 360 liter oxygen per person all 24 hours. Equal 1 - 2 USD. And Second hand scrubber material from you rebreather diver friends. Nearly nothing. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Datum: 2016-09-05T10:00:54+0200 Von: "Alan via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > It could be a nightmare Tim, & S.A. is a long way to go to check it out. We do have a psub member in S.A. It does have the diver lockout, but are you after a 1atm habitat or ambient? What would the cost be in 02 & scrubbing per person per 24hrs? Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 5:55 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alan, You nailed it with the underwater habitat thought. At 21fsw hatch pressure this vessel would require just a coat of new paint. I should bid $10,000. With shipping it might just work out. Hmmm. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan vio a Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:46 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Tim, I am not sure whether this is the same submarine, i.e. were there more than one Taurus built. It does mention That it was deployed in South Africa though. Certainly the one on Ebay didn't look dive ready. Maybe a ready made underwater habitat! I am sure you could talk the price down. Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/09/2016, at 3:17 pm, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Good find, Alan. Why does Silvercrest state that Taurus is "immediately available for worldwide underwater operations" if this boat is in the middle of an interrupted overhaul? If Hank's used sub valuation guideline applies then this one is worth $120,000 in dive ready condition. However, it's a very larger "personal sub" so perhaps the guideline does not apply. Overhauling the systems and ABS recertification would likely cost than that amount again. Serious money required. Pretty cool, though. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 6:14 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub There are some specs on this Silvercrest site. http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/taurusinfo.html Would hate to think what you may be in for, getting it up to scratch. 8 view ports to replace? Alan _____ From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 12:31 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Taurus sub Hello All, Yesterday I came across the Taurus Submarine on eBay , she is 22 tons with diver lock out. It is in South Africa, that is not bad if your in Europe, Carsten? 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This would allow sitting headroom along with easier deployment. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:01 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: skirt Kieth, The lift tube is a big bag, I need a tube that the hatch can open inside. The idea is to have a sail that is collapsible and buoyant. Hank On Friday, September 9, 2016 2:45 PM, k6fee via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hank, How about using a commercial salvage lift tube. They are rated for heavy loads and very durrable. Keith T. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > Date: 9/9/16 11:48 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: skirt Hi All, Anyone have an idea what I can use to make an inflatable skirt like the one in the picture? Hank On Friday, September 9, 2016 12:47 PM, xxx xxxxx > wrote: _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 10 02:49:19 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 06:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: jet thrust In-Reply-To: <1765527204.1818323.1473464110278@mail.yahoo.com> References: <756678621.1833554.1473463198162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <756678621.1833554.1473463198162@mail.yahoo.com> <1765527204.1818323.1473464110278@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <405479266.2796699.1473490159950@mail.yahoo.com> Oh no, now it's a saucer sub! ?Are you building a museum?One of our members, Frank, was building a saucer sub.Unfortunately he passed away before it was completed.I am not sure what has happened to it.http://www.psubs.org/projects/1252032431/saucersub/Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:35 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: jet thrust On Friday, September 9, 2016 5:19 PM, hank pronk wrote: Hi All,Does anyone know what the size of motor was that drove the the jet ?pumps in the ?saucer sub. ?They say it could do 2 knots.Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 10 04:44:14 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 08:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: jet thrust In-Reply-To: <405479266.2796699.1473490159950@mail.yahoo.com> References: <756678621.1833554.1473463198162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <756678621.1833554.1473463198162@mail.yahoo.com> <1765527204.1818323.1473464110278@mail.yahoo.com> <405479266.2796699.1473490159950@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1964661218.1946339.1473497054838@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,I am not building a saucer sub, or maybe I am, hmmmm. ? I am building a saucer MBT for Elementary. ?I think it will improve my free board because the air volume will increase. ?I expect the new design to behave better when the sub ?transitions from floating to sinking. ?Also I think it will look better than what I have. ?I am also interested in experimenting with submersible well pumps for thrust. ?I would mount two 120V AC pumps inside the MBT with rotating nozzles the way Cousteau did. ?The well pumps can be used to any depth right out of the box for under 200 dollars each. ?I am not sure if they will have the power though. ?Much experimenting is needed or a math class ;-)Hank On Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:50 AM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Oh no, now it's a saucer sub! ?Are you building a museum?One of our members, Frank, was building a saucer sub.Unfortunately he passed away before it was completed.I am not sure what has happened to it.http://www.psubs.org/projects/1252032431/saucersub/Alan From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:35 AM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: jet thrust On Friday, September 9, 2016 5:19 PM, hank pronk wrote: Hi All,Does anyone know what the size of motor was that drove the the jet ?pumps in the ?saucer sub. ?They say it could do 2 knots.Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 10 05:08:04 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: skirt In-Reply-To: <001101d20b09$9b6ba520$d242ef60$@telus.net> References: <49gytq97jo759n01vbk451ox.1473453886147@email.android.com> <001101d20b09$9b6ba520$d242ef60$@telus.net> Message-ID: <107733710.1949905.1473498485040@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tim,An inner tube is a very good option and was my first idea also. ?I am just exploring other ideas. ?The difference with my sub to Cousteau's is my saucer is an actual MBT that creates significant lift and houses my trawl floats. ?Cousteau's sub had no freeboard to speak of, kinda like the DW's . ?If i can not come up with a reliable inflatable solution, I will look at a clear acrylic CT. ? I plan to use my barge as a support vessel with the capability to lift Elementary onto the deck. ?The barge will also ?have a small cabin on deck for overnight ?adventures. ?Hank On Friday, September 9, 2016 8:19 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv6369364415 #yiv6369364415 -- _filtered #yiv6369364415 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6369364415 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6369364415 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv6369364415 #yiv6369364415 p.yiv6369364415MsoNormal, #yiv6369364415 li.yiv6369364415MsoNormal, #yiv6369364415 div.yiv6369364415MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv6369364415 a:link, #yiv6369364415 span.yiv6369364415MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6369364415 a:visited, #yiv6369364415 span.yiv6369364415MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6369364415 span.yiv6369364415EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv6369364415 .yiv6369364415MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv6369364415 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv6369364415 div.yiv6369364415WordSection1 {}#yiv6369364415 Hank,Why not a big farm tractor tire tube, or perhaps two welded together but with separate air cells?I don?t think Cousteau had much success with his inflatable skirt effort.? The saucer and his one man subs were boarded on Calypso's deck, hatches locked down, then craned over the side to launch.? Recovery was the reverse.? You already know that Cousteau was envious of the Nektons' sub launching capabilities. ?The Mir pair is handled similarly to the Cousteau subs with even more effort. ?Can't beat a hard CT. I think Sgt Pepper's could use a CT with view ports.? This would allow sitting headroom along with easier deployment.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:01 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: skirt ?Kieth,The lift tube is a big bag, I need a tube that the hatch can open inside. ?The idea is to have a sail that is?collapsible and buoyant.Hank ?On Friday, September 9, 2016 2:45 PM, k6fee via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?Hank, ?How about using a commercial salvage lift tube. They are ?rated for heavy loads and very durrable. ?Keith T. ? ? ?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone ?-------- Original message --------From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Date: 9/9/16 11:48 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: skirt ?Hi All,Anyone have an idea what I can use to make an?inflatable skirt like the one in the picture?Hank ?On Friday, September 9, 2016 12:47 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: ? ? ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Over the years I have used them for various purposes.? I used them for water, I also made a giant buoy , I?fitted pneumatic fittings and filled them with air.? I've been using the material ( I've since cut up two?of them?) for different things for my sub.? Anyway the material is the most heavy duty stuff I've ever seen.?they made a lot of them I think,? here's a picture:???http://www.equipmentmartads.com/heavyequipmentadDetails.php?250-Gallon-Unused-Collapsible-Potable-Water-Fabridrum-11754#.V9N819FTFD8??It's made by Amfuel,? Arkansas??Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 23:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi Hugh,That could work, they are tough! ? ?Hank On Friday, September 9, 2016 5:13 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,Best to find an old liferaft.? They are built well and mostly are round.? A 6 man would be close to the size.Also could find someone who makes rubber dinghies.? Hypalon is the material of choice.? Hugh ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2016 9:05 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: ?Here is a better picture of the sail?collapsed. ?I am making a new MBT for Elementary from two aluminum satellite ?dishes. ? 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Best, Alec On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 7:19 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone know what the size of motor was that drove the the jet pumps > in the saucer sub. They say it could do 2 knots. > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The spray was not that impressive really. From what I can see, the nozzles are choked down to about 3\4 of an inch maybe 1 inch. Hank On Saturday, September 10, 2016 1:14 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank, It was a 2HP motor. My source is the book Saucer in the Sea by Terry Shannon, which has some photos you would probably find useful of the saucer with fairings removed. Best, Alec On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 7:19 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know what the size of motor was that drove the the jet pumps in the saucer sub. They say it could do 2 knots. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 10 15:49:05 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 19:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] jet thrust In-Reply-To: <1473536618503.269749.a013ce736d1a909ac15eeb9d92495c9efdf72504@spica.telekom.de> References: <756678621.1833554.1473463198162.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <756678621.1833554.1473463198162@mail.yahoo.com> <284979647.2135026.1473535563733@mail.yahoo.com> <1473536618503.269749.a013ce736d1a909ac15eeb9d92495c9efdf72504@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <1870894238.2067764.1473536945597@mail.yahoo.com> I would expect it was under powered, but there are some nice features to the system. ?There is no?chance of?entanglement in a stray line like with a propeller. ?The lake I plan to?spend a lot of time in has a lot of stray lines. ?Maybe the system can be expanded to four jets with four pumps.Hank On Saturday, September 10, 2016 1:43 PM, "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: As I have heard the saucer was underpowered.. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] jet thrustDatum: 2016-09-10T21:32:49+0200Von: "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Alec,That is great news, I was?thinking to use two 1 hp pumps. ?I saw a video on youtube when the saucer sub came to the surface and shot water?star up into the air. ?The spray was not that impressive really. ?From what I can see, the?nozzles are choked down to about 3\4 of an inch maybe 1 inch.Hank On Saturday, September 10, 2016 1:14 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank,?It was a 2HP motor. 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I stayed fairly shallow but the reef drops off on each side.? ??https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH0GjvxbA_4?Brian _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 10 16:50:17 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:50:17 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Diving Video - Isthmus Reef Message-ID: <20160910135017.BEB7381C@m0087792.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 08:09:26 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 12:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1202117844.2642778.1473682166797@mail.yahoo.com> Lasse,I have experimented with air drills as thrusters on a log salvage ROV and it worked well, as long as you add an exhaust pipe to the drill. ?The exhaust air must be carried away from the propeller. ?This works but the drill will not last long, it is the gear box that fails. ?I would suggest a smaller prop and go with a die grinder or any air tool with no gear head. ?The vane motor will last a long time.Hank On Monday, September 12, 2016 5:45 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hey guys, My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a torpedo-ish machine to fool around with in the evenings.?We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple motor from an air drill and connecting a propeller to it. We are planning to use RC for steering and heading hold via a gyro.?Have anyone tried and have input on this? Cheers, Lasse _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 10:10:06 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:10:06 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber In-Reply-To: <20160909160856.5905.qmail@server268.com> References: <2gdxvspfxowau6l0hbkxqbga.1472756026296@email.android.com> <2072435833.1466831.1473422021601@mail.yahoo.com> <02e401d20a94$83f7ac10$8be70430$@nl> <20160909160856.5905.qmail@server268.com> Message-ID: <047901d20cff$5d967160$18c35420$@nl> Scott, I will calculate the pressure rating. Within 2 weeks I measure the chamber for the exact dims. directly. What is your absolute minimal dimension? Price will be approx Euro 1400,- + the shipping of a 500 KG pallet.. Emile Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: vrijdag 9 september 2016 18:09 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber Emile, Can you let me know if you can and the size, pressure rating, and cost? Thank you, Scott Waters > -------Original Message------- > From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > > To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber > Sent: Sep 09 '16 07:24 > > I can get my hands on such a test chamber. But don?t know the excact > size and pressure. The walls are ok with about 2?but don?t know if > the closure will hold 350 Bar. > > Emile > > VAN: Personal_Submersibles > [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] NAMENS hank pronk > via Personal_Submersibles > VERZONDEN: vrijdag 9 september 2016 13:54 > AAN: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > ONDERWERP: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber > > Scott, > > How did you make out with a HP test chamber > > Hank > > On Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:54 PM, Scott Waters via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I need to buy or make a testing chamber for testing parts for Pisces > VI. It needs to go up to 5,000 psi. I need to to be 24" diameter and > 36" long or bigger. Something pre-made and as low cost as possible is > prefered, but I am assuming I will have to make it. Any suggestions? > > Thank you, > > Scott Waters > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > ------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 11:12:32 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 10:12:32 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?Test_chamber?= In-Reply-To: <047901d20cff$5d967160$18c35420$@nl> References: <2gdxvspfxowau6l0hbkxqbga.1472756026296@email.android.com> <2072435833.1466831.1473422021601@mail.yahoo.com> <02e401d20a94$83f7ac10$8be70430$@nl> <20160909160856.5905.qmail@server268.com> <047901d20cff$5d967160$18c35420$@nl> Message-ID: <20160912151232.30265.qmail@server268.com> Emile, It needs to be no smaller than 600mm wide and 900mm long. Operating pressure needs to be 250 Bar Thank you, Scott Waters > -------Original Message------- > From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber > Sent: Sep 12 '16 09:12 > > Scott, > > I will calculate the pressure rating. Within 2 weeks I measure the chamber for the exact dims. > directly. What is your absolute minimal dimension???Price will be approx Euro 1400,- + the shipping of a 500 KG pallet.. > > Emile > > Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: vrijdag 9 september 2016 18:09 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber > > Emile, > > Can you let me know if you can and the size, pressure rating, and cost? > > Thank you, > Scott Waters > > >??-------Original Message------- > >??From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > > > >??To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' > > > >??Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber > >??Sent: Sep 09 '16 07:24 > >?? > >??I can get my hands on such a test chamber. But don?t know the excact?? > > size and pressure.??The walls are ok with??about 2?but don?t know??if > > the closure will hold 350 Bar. > >?? > >??Emile > >?? > >??VAN: Personal_Submersibles > >??[mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] NAMENS hank pronk > > via??Personal_Submersibles > >??VERZONDEN: vrijdag 9 september 2016 13:54 > >??AAN: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >??ONDERWERP: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Test chamber > >?? > >??Scott, > >?? > >??How did you make out with a HP test chamber > >?? > >??Hank > >?? > >??On Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:54 PM, Scott Waters via?? > > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >?? > >??I need to buy or make a testing chamber for testing parts for Pisces?? > > VI. It needs to go up to 5,000 psi. I need to to be 24" diameter and?? > > 36" long or bigger. Something pre-made and as low cost as possible is?? > > prefered, but I am assuming I will have to make it. Any suggestions? > >?? > >??Thank you, > >?? > >??Scott Waters > >?? > >??Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone > >?? > >??_______________________________________________ > >??Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >??Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >??http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >?? > >??------------------------- > >??_______________________________________________ > >??Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >??Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >??http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >?? > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 11:33:04 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Lasse_Schmidt_Westr=C3=A9n?= via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:33:04 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: <1202117844.2642778.1473682166797@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1202117844.2642778.1473682166797@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Hank, A lot of useful info, we have not been thinking about the exhaust air so we will implement that Into the design. Thank you! Any other thoughts are welcome! Cheers Lasse Den 12 sep. 2016 2:14 em skrev "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org>: > Lasse, > I have experimented with air drills as thrusters on a log salvage ROV and > it worked well, as long as you add an exhaust pipe to the drill. The > exhaust air must be carried away from the propeller. This works but the > drill will not last long, it is the gear box that fails. I would suggest a > smaller prop and go with a die grinder or any air tool with no gear head. > The vane motor will last a long time. > Hank > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 5:45 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a torpedo-ish > machine to fool around with in the evenings. > We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple motor from an > air drill and connecting a propeller to it. We are planning to use RC for > steering and heading hold via a gyro. > Have anyone tried and have input on this? > > Cheers, Lasse > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 14:25:32 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:25:32 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lasse, You're very well regarded here, we all know you and have for a long time. But may I suggest that in today's world someone who did not know you and came across such a project (for instance a Youtube video of it) might not react the same way? There are people whose full time job is spotting security threats, and what is really a completely innocent initiative might cause them concern. They can be expected to err on the side of caution with regulations or prohibitions of some sort. In short, I would suggest for the sake of everyone, this idea although fun is probably not advisable given the current state of affairs. It pains me to say so, because I used to build canons and bombs for fun when I was a 12 year old, but times have changed. Cheers, Alec On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hey guys, > > My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a torpedo-ish > machine to fool around with in the evenings. > We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple motor from an > air drill and connecting a propeller to it. We are planning to use RC for > steering and heading hold via a gyro. > Have anyone tried and have input on this? > > Cheers, Lasse > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On one dive forum they estimated that it would take 3000W of energy for 7 minutes to fill a 12L tank to 230 bar. So the very maximum you would get out of one tank is the equivalent of running a 1500 W motor ( Minnkota 101) for 14 minutes. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 13/09/2016, at 7:09 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Lasse, > I was thinking it would be fun to build a probe similar to what you have in mind. Could be used to gather various data. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via Personal_Submersibles > To: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:33:04 +0200 > > Thank you Hank, > > A lot of useful info, we have not been thinking about the exhaust air so we will implement that Into the design. Thank you! > Any other thoughts are welcome! > > Cheers Lasse > > > Den 12 sep. 2016 2:14 em skrev "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" : > Lasse, > I have experimented with air drills as thrusters on a log salvage ROV and it worked well, as long as you add an exhaust pipe to the drill. The exhaust air must be carried away from the propeller. This works but the drill will not last long, it is the gear box that fails. I would suggest a smaller prop and go with a die grinder or any air tool with no gear head. The vane motor will last a long time. > Hank > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 5:45 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a torpedo-ish machine to fool around with in the evenings. > We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple motor from an air drill and connecting a propeller to it. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 16:36:57 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:36:57 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: References: <20160912120958.76024309@m0087791.ppops.net> Message-ID: <8D48673A-3910-458D-8F3A-D4922AA8D1E1@yahoo.com> Lasse, thinking more about this; the air drill would probably be the equivalent of about 500W, so maybe 30 minutes run time. You could place a solenoid valve after the first stage regulator, then you could turn the air on & off through your RC. Most solenoid valves are 12 or 24V & the RC recievers only put out 5V, so I am thinking you could run the solenoid valve off a 12V brushed speed controller. As Alec intimated; this has the potential to be a cheap torpedo. A local N.Z. man made World news & was watched by the authorities, for showing people how to make an exorcet missile for under $5000-. Maybe make it look like a boat! I wonder if there are any cheap pneumatic tools that are non corrosive that could be adapted for other functions on the submarine! Alan Sent from my iPad > On 13/09/2016, at 7:34 am, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Lasse, > you will need to have an arial above water for the RC. > Is this going to be manned? If it is, maybe you could circulate > the exhaust & use it to breath from. > I would try & calculate how long your motor would run for & > compare that with an electric motor & batteries. > On one dive forum they estimated that it would take 3000W of energy for > 7 minutes to fill a 12L tank to 230 bar. So the very maximum you would > get out of one tank is the equivalent of running a 1500 W motor ( Minnkota 101) > for 14 minutes. > Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 13/09/2016, at 7:09 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Lasse, >> I was thinking it would be fun to build a probe similar to what you have in mind. Could be used to gather various data. >> >> Brian >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build >> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:33:04 +0200 >> >> Thank you Hank, >> >> A lot of useful info, we have not been thinking about the exhaust air so we will implement that Into the design. Thank you! >> Any other thoughts are welcome! >> >> Cheers Lasse >> >> >> Den 12 sep. 2016 2:14 em skrev "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" : >> Lasse, >> I have experimented with air drills as thrusters on a log salvage ROV and it worked well, as long as you add an exhaust pipe to the drill. The exhaust air must be carried away from the propeller. This works but the drill will not last long, it is the gear box that fails. I would suggest a smaller prop and go with a die grinder or any air tool with no gear head. The vane motor will last a long time. >> Hank >> >> >> On Monday, September 12, 2016 5:45 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Hey guys, >> >> My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a torpedo-ish machine to fool around with in the evenings. >> We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple motor from an air drill and connecting a propeller to it. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 17:47:46 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (JimToddPsub via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 16:47:46 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <364CEA4B-DA8A-4EF1-8097-90EF5196C0E9@aol.com> Using a battery powered drill motor might be more prudent and referring to it as an ROV. Sure it changes the design somewhat, but an air trail on the surface might scare the heck out of people. Where would you be testing it and at what depth? Jim Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Lasse, > > You're very well regarded here, we all know you and have for a long time. But may I suggest that in today's world someone who did not know you and came across such a project (for instance a Youtube video of it) might not react the same way? There are people whose full time job is spotting security threats, and what is really a completely innocent initiative might cause them concern. They can be expected to err on the side of caution with regulations or prohibitions of some sort. In short, I would suggest for the sake of everyone, this idea although fun is probably not advisable given the current state of affairs. It pains me to say so, because I used to build canons and bombs for fun when I was a 12 year old, but times have changed. > > > Cheers, > > Alec > >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hey guys, >> >> My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a torpedo-ish machine to fool around with in the evenings. >> We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple motor from an air drill and connecting a propeller to it. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 19:01:49 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:01:49 +1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: <364CEA4B-DA8A-4EF1-8097-90EF5196C0E9@aol.com> References: <364CEA4B-DA8A-4EF1-8097-90EF5196C0E9@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Lasse, I made a rig to run a cheap air drill off a SCUBA tank a while ago. It worked, but used a frightening amount of air on the surface, and increasing amounts at depth (ie. Theoretically twice as much at 10m). While drilling a couple of sample holes in steel, the 12L (80c.f.) SCUBA tank lasted about 5 min! A quick Google indicates maybe I was doing something wrong (or asking too much of it) and that typical flow rates of 5cfm would give run time of 16min. I would compare that to a diver propulsion vehicle (DPV)/"scooter" - I recently did a 7km/4hr cave dive with one of these. With a custom lithium ion battery I designed, it weighed the same amount as a SCUBA tank. With lead acid batteries it's probably still good for more than twice the SCUBA tank. Cheers, Steve On 13 Sep 2016 7:48 am, "JimToddPsub via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Using a battery powered drill motor might be more prudent and referring to > it as an ROV. Sure it changes the design somewhat, but an air trail on the > surface might scare the heck out of people. Where would you be testing it > and at what depth? > Jim > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Lasse, > > You're very well regarded here, we all know you and have for a long time. > But may I suggest that in today's world someone who did not know you and > came across such a project (for instance a Youtube video of it) might not > react the same way? There are people whose full time job is spotting > security threats, and what is really a completely innocent initiative might > cause them concern. They can be expected to err on the side of caution with > regulations or prohibitions of some sort. In short, I would suggest for the > sake of everyone, this idea although fun is probably not advisable given > the current state of affairs. It pains me to say so, because I used to > build canons and bombs for fun when I was a 12 year old, but times have > changed. > > > Cheers, > > Alec > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> >> My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a torpedo-ish >> machine to fool around with in the evenings. >> We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple motor from an >> air drill and connecting a propeller to it. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 19:28:42 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: References: <364CEA4B-DA8A-4EF1-8097-90EF5196C0E9@aol.com> Message-ID: <1722768130.26186.1473722922592@mail.yahoo.com> The air motor is a air?demanding beast, it worked on my Log salvage ROV because the entire thing was air powered and had a surface supply line.Hank On Monday, September 12, 2016 5:02 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Lasse, I made a rig to run a cheap air drill off a SCUBA tank a while ago. It worked, but used a frightening amount of air on the surface, and increasing amounts at depth (ie. Theoretically twice as much at 10m). While drilling a couple of sample holes in steel, the 12L (80c.f.) SCUBA tank lasted about 5 min!A quick Google indicates maybe I was doing something wrong (or asking too much of it) and that typical flow rates of 5cfm would give run time of 16min.I would compare that to a diver propulsion vehicle (DPV)/"scooter" - I recently did a 7km/4hr cave dive with one of these.? With a custom lithium ion battery I designed, it weighed the same amount as a SCUBA tank. With lead acid batteries it's probably still good for more than twice the SCUBA tank.Cheers, Steve On 13 Sep 2016 7:48 am, "JimToddPsub via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Using a battery powered drill motor might be more prudent and referring to it as an ROV.? Sure it changes the design somewhat, but an air trail on the surface might scare the heck out of people.? Where would you be testing it and at what depth?Jim Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Lasse, You're very well regarded here, we all know you and have for a long time. But may I suggest that in today's world?someone who did not know you and came across such a project (for instance a Youtube video of it) might not react the same way? There are people whose full time job is spotting security threats, and what is really a completely innocent initiative might cause them concern. They can be expected to err on the side of caution with regulations or prohibitions of some sort. In short, I would suggest for the sake of everyone, this idea although fun is probably not advisable given the current state of affairs. It pains me to say so, because I used to build canons and bombs for fun when I was a 12 year old, but times have changed.? Cheers, Alec? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 19:45:06 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 07:45:06 +0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you regulate your activities based on what a paranoid government agent might perceive about them, you have surrendered your freedom without a fight. Build it! Marc de Piolenc On 9/13/2016 2:25 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Lasse, > > You're very well regarded here, we all know you and have for a long > time. But may I suggest that in today's world someone who did not know > you and came across such a project (for instance a Youtube video of it) > might not react the same way? There are people whose full time job is > spotting security threats, and what is really a completely innocent > initiative might cause them concern. They can be expected to err on the > side of caution with regulations or prohibitions of some sort. In short, > I would suggest for the sake of everyone, this idea although fun is > probably not advisable given the current state of affairs. It pains me > to say so, because I used to build canons and bombs for fun when I was a > 12 year old, but times have changed. > > > Cheers, > > Alec > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Hey guys, > > My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a > torpedo-ish machine to fool around with in the evenings. > We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple motor > from an air drill and connecting a propeller to it. We are planning > to use RC for steering and heading hold via a gyro. > Have anyone tried and have input on this? > > Cheers, Lasse > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 20:50:24 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:50:24 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually a good friend of mine is a PhD who works for the Navy as a civilian and was commissioned some years ago to write a white paper on the threat of PSUBS (the boats, not the organization). He is not the slightest bit a paranoid person, on the contrary I respect him highly. Of course I have not actually seen his paper nor would he be able to tell me what is in it, but knowing him and also seeing we have not been regulated out of existence chances are it came to common sense conclusions. However, having public discussions about how to create an home built torpedo strikes me as just asking for trouble. Remember the guy who crashed his drone onto the White House lawn a couple of years ago? He was not a terrorist either, but I think other drone enthusiasts would be quite justified in thinking it was not a productive thing to do. Anyway, enough said... I hope not to get into a philosophical argument as I think we would agree it could go on for a hundred years. On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > If you regulate your activities based on what a paranoid government agent > might perceive about them, you have surrendered your freedom without a > fight. > > Build it! > > Marc de Piolenc > > On 9/13/2016 2:25 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Hi Lasse, >> >> You're very well regarded here, we all know you and have for a long >> time. But may I suggest that in today's world someone who did not know >> you and came across such a project (for instance a Youtube video of it) >> might not react the same way? There are people whose full time job is >> spotting security threats, and what is really a completely innocent >> initiative might cause them concern. They can be expected to err on the >> side of caution with regulations or prohibitions of some sort. In short, >> I would suggest for the sake of everyone, this idea although fun is >> probably not advisable given the current state of affairs. It pains me >> to say so, because I used to build canons and bombs for fun when I was a >> 12 year old, but times have changed. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alec >> >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via >> Personal_Submersibles > > wrote: >> >> Hey guys, >> >> My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a >> torpedo-ish machine to fool around with in the evenings. >> We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple motor >> from an air drill and connecting a propeller to it. We are planning >> to use RC for steering and heading hold via a gyro. >> Have anyone tried and have input on this? >> >> Cheers, Lasse >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > psubs.org> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > -- > Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog > Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog > Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 > Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc > Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 21:23:15 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Marc de Piolenc via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:23:15 +0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bottom line. A law-abiding citizen has the right to do whatever he wishes that does not violate the law. Anybody who threatens his right to do that is a lawbreaker. Marc On 9/13/2016 8:50 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Actually a good friend of mine is a PhD who works for the Navy as a > civilian and was commissioned some years ago to write a white paper on > the threat of PSUBS (the boats, not the organization). He is not the > slightest bit a paranoid person, on the contrary I respect him highly. > Of course I have not actually seen his paper nor would he be able to > tell me what is in it, but knowing him and also seeing we have not been > regulated out of existence chances are it came to common sense > conclusions. However, having public discussions about how to create an > home built torpedo strikes me as just asking for trouble. Remember the > guy who crashed his drone onto the White House lawn a couple of years > ago? He was not a terrorist either, but I think other drone enthusiasts > would be quite justified in thinking it was not a productive thing to > do. Anyway, enough said... I hope not to get into a philosophical > argument as I think we would agree it could go on for a hundred years. > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Marc de Piolenc via > Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > If you regulate your activities based on what a paranoid government > agent might perceive about them, you have surrendered your freedom > without a fight. > > Build it! > > Marc de Piolenc > > On 9/13/2016 2:25 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Lasse, > > You're very well regarded here, we all know you and have for a long > time. But may I suggest that in today's world someone who did > not know > you and came across such a project (for instance a Youtube video > of it) > might not react the same way? There are people whose full time > job is > spotting security threats, and what is really a completely innocent > initiative might cause them concern. They can be expected to err > on the > side of caution with regulations or prohibitions of some sort. > In short, > I would suggest for the sake of everyone, this idea although fun is > probably not advisable given the current state of affairs. It > pains me > to say so, because I used to build canons and bombs for fun when > I was a > 12 year old, but times have changed. > > > Cheers, > > Alec > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Lasse Schmidt Westr?n via > Personal_Submersibles > >> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > My crew friends at submarine Malen are planning to build a > torpedo-ish machine to fool around with in the evenings. > We are thinking of taking a scuba-tank, connecting a simple > motor > from an air drill and connecting a propeller to it. We are > planning > to use RC for steering and heading hold via a gyro. > Have anyone tried and have input on this? > > Cheers, Lasse > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -- > Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog > > Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog > > Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 > > Translations (BeWords profile): > http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc > > Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -- Archivale catalog: http://www.archivale.com/catalog Polymath weblog: http://www.archivale.com/weblog Translations (ProZ profile): http://www.proz.com/profile/639380 Translations (BeWords profile): http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc Ducted fans: http://massflow.archivale.com/ From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 12 23:10:22 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:10:22 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] "Torpedo"-build Message-ID: <20160912201022.1FC48D42@m0087792.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 13 07:35:11 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:35:11 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Message-ID: Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel? I need to have a SMB but I don't want rope trailing around all over the place. I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog leads. So it will auto wind up and down. Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything. I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one. Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads. One on the bobber, one on the boat with them joined in the middle. That would give me about 20 meters. Of course, they would disintegrate after the first use, but ive got several old ones at home that could be sacrificed. Or, some sort of retracting device that could be put inside the bobber? any thoughts? regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 13 16:07:48 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <809775510.575058.1473797268487@mail.yahoo.com> James,why do you want to drag your dog around behind your submarine??? I have thought of having a float that I can send up when ascending,to alert surface boats to my position. The idea is to send it up from?about the 20 - 30ft mark,?& have ?a retracting mechanism to wind in the slack.There are plenty of divers reels to utilize as a starting point. Lasse's threadon using a pneumatic driver got me thinking that a simple pneumatic turbinewith a feed pressure of around 4psi would pull any slack line in & let a largeenough float pull it out. It may be a bit more complex in your scenario, as you will have the force fromdrag to consider.Other thoughts are to start with the divers reel & copy a retracting mechanismfrom somewhere, but using a 316 stainless clock spring of the right size & torsion.Let us know how you get on.Alan From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:35 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel?? I need to have a SMB but I don't want rope trailing around all over the place.?I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog leads.? So it will auto wind up and down.? ?Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything.?I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one.?Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads.? One on the bobber, one on the boat with them joined in the middle.? That would give me about 20 meters.? Of course, they would disintegrate after the first use, but ive got several old ones at home that could be sacrificed.?Or, some sort of retracting device that could be put inside the bobber??any thoughts? regardsJames _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 13 23:01:11 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:01:11 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Message-ID: <20160913200111.76004EBA@m0087797.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 14 01:10:59 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel In-Reply-To: <20160913200111.76004EBA@m0087797.ppops.net> References: <20160913200111.76004EBA@m0087797.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1312168063.790509.1473829859586@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,that is doable. You could have a winch that keeps a certaintension on the line & have the line running through a ring,say a foot down below the buoy. When there is an angle on theline it would pull the ring in a certain direction; the ring movementwould tell the rov to move in that direction till the pressure was off the ring. You could make most of that up with RC parts for boatsapart from the winch. I think you would be looking at at least $500-in parts to do it, plus a lot of time.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel The ideal thing would be to have an autonomous rov buoy which would shadow?your sub on the surface !?? But how to communicate between the two ??? Sonar ??Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) James,why do you want to drag your dog around behind your submarine??? I have thought of having a float that I can send up when ascending,to alert surface boats to my position. The idea is to send it up from?about the 20 - 30ft mark,?& have ?a retracting mechanism to wind in the slack.There are plenty of divers reels to utilize as a starting point. Lasse's threadon using a pneumatic driver got me thinking that a simple pneumatic turbinewith a feed pressure of around 4psi would pull any slack line in & let a largeenough float pull it out. It may be a bit more complex in your scenario, as you will have the force fromdrag to consider.Other thoughts are to start with the divers reel & copy a retracting mechanismfrom somewhere, but using a 316 stainless clock spring of the right size & torsion.Let us know how you get on.Alan From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:35 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel?? I need to have a SMB but I don't want rope trailing around all over the place.?I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog leads.? So it will auto wind up and down.? ?Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything.?I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one.?Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads.? One on the bobber, one on the boat with them joined in the middle.? That would give me about 20 meters.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 14 01:35:25 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 22:35:25 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Message-ID: <20160913223525.7600C4A2@m0087798.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 14 02:41:45 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:41:45 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel In-Reply-To: <20160913223525.7600C4A2@m0087798.ppops.net> References: <20160913223525.7600C4A2@m0087798.ppops.net> Message-ID: <423E50BC-574B-4158-BDB7-6CBE6A438A1A@yahoo.com> That could still be done Brian. The "Dive Tracker Sport" has a 4000ft range & indicates position by you sweeping the receiver unit so that it's LEDs light up strongest in the direction of the transmitter. You could have a mechanism that swept the receiver continually & records the direction that is associated with the strongest signal. Then drives in that direction or stops if it is straight above. However you may as well have a support boat doing that. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad > On 14/09/2016, at 5:35 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > I was thinking no lines anywhere, just sonar back and forth between the sub and the buoy. Maybe like a Doppler indicator , like if it's moving away it would know because of the diminishing sound, so the buoy would likely have to swim in circles always trying to get closer to the subs signal. I don't know if there would be enough variation at that distance to be able to do it though. Seems like it could be done seeing how accurate these fish finders are these days ! > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:10:59 +0000 (UTC) > > Brian, > that is doable. You could have a winch that keeps a certain > tension on the line & have the line running through a ring, > say a foot down below the buoy. When there is an angle on the > line it would pull the ring in a certain direction; the ring movement > would tell the rov to move in that direction till the pressure was > off the ring. > You could make most of that up with RC parts for boats > apart from the winch. I think you would be looking at at least $500- > in parts to do it, plus a lot of time. > Alan > > > > > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > > The ideal thing would be to have an autonomous rov buoy which would shadow your sub on the surface ! But how to communicate between the two ? Sonar ? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) > > James, > why do you want to drag your dog around behind your submarine? > I have thought of having a float that I can send up when ascending, > to alert surface boats to my position. The idea is to send it up from about > the 20 - 30ft mark, & have a retracting mechanism to wind in the slack. > There are plenty of divers reels to utilize as a starting point. Lasse's thread > on using a pneumatic driver got me thinking that a simple pneumatic turbine > with a feed pressure of around 4psi would pull any slack line in & let a large > enough float pull it out. > It may be a bit more complex in your scenario, as you will have the force from > drag to consider. > Other thoughts are to start with the divers reel & copy a retracting mechanism > from somewhere, but using a 316 stainless clock spring of the right size & torsion. > Let us know how you get on. > Alan > > > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:35 PM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > > Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel? I need to have a SMB but I don't want rope trailing around all over the place. > > I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog leads. So it will auto wind up and down. > > Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything. > > I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one. > > Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads. One on the bobber, one on the boat with them joined in the middle. That would give me about 20 meters. Of course, they would disintegrate after the first use, but ive got several old ones at home that could be sacrificed. > > Or, some sort of retracting device that could be put inside the bobber? > > any thoughts? > > regards > James > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 14 02:41:45 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:41:45 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel In-Reply-To: <20160913223525.7600C4A2@m0087798.ppops.net> References: <20160913223525.7600C4A2@m0087798.ppops.net> Message-ID: <423E50BC-574B-4158-BDB7-6CBE6A438A1A@yahoo.com> That could still be done Brian. The "Dive Tracker Sport" has a 4000ft range & indicates position by you sweeping the receiver unit so that it's LEDs light up strongest in the direction of the transmitter. You could have a mechanism that swept the receiver continually & records the direction that is associated with the strongest signal. Then drives in that direction or stops if it is straight above. However you may as well have a support boat doing that. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad > On 14/09/2016, at 5:35 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > I was thinking no lines anywhere, just sonar back and forth between the sub and the buoy. Maybe like a Doppler indicator , like if it's moving away it would know because of the diminishing sound, so the buoy would likely have to swim in circles always trying to get closer to the subs signal. I don't know if there would be enough variation at that distance to be able to do it though. Seems like it could be done seeing how accurate these fish finders are these days ! > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:10:59 +0000 (UTC) > > Brian, > that is doable. You could have a winch that keeps a certain > tension on the line & have the line running through a ring, > say a foot down below the buoy. When there is an angle on the > line it would pull the ring in a certain direction; the ring movement > would tell the rov to move in that direction till the pressure was > off the ring. > You could make most of that up with RC parts for boats > apart from the winch. I think you would be looking at at least $500- > in parts to do it, plus a lot of time. > Alan > > > > > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > > The ideal thing would be to have an autonomous rov buoy which would shadow your sub on the surface ! But how to communicate between the two ? Sonar ? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) > > James, > why do you want to drag your dog around behind your submarine? > I have thought of having a float that I can send up when ascending, > to alert surface boats to my position. The idea is to send it up from about > the 20 - 30ft mark, & have a retracting mechanism to wind in the slack. > There are plenty of divers reels to utilize as a starting point. Lasse's thread > on using a pneumatic driver got me thinking that a simple pneumatic turbine > with a feed pressure of around 4psi would pull any slack line in & let a large > enough float pull it out. > It may be a bit more complex in your scenario, as you will have the force from > drag to consider. > Other thoughts are to start with the divers reel & copy a retracting mechanism > from somewhere, but using a 316 stainless clock spring of the right size & torsion. > Let us know how you get on. > Alan > > > > From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:35 PM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > > Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel? I need to have a SMB but I don't want rope trailing around all over the place. > > I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog leads. So it will auto wind up and down. > > Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything. > > I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one. > > Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads. One on the bobber, one on the boat with them joined in the middle. That would give me about 20 meters. Of course, they would disintegrate after the first use, but ive got several old ones at home that could be sacrificed. > > Or, some sort of retracting device that could be put inside the bobber? > > any thoughts? > > regards > James > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 14 04:54:33 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:54:33 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel In-Reply-To: <423E50BC-574B-4158-BDB7-6CBE6A438A1A@yahoo.com> References: <20160913223525.7600C4A2@m0087798.ppops.net> <423E50BC-574B-4158-BDB7-6CBE6A438A1A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Blimey. "Doppler indicator wireless remote robot bouy! " I was thinking something simple! I'll stick with dragging the dog around, I need it for Sat. Seriously though, I did find this which might be ok. http://www.pfluegerfishing.com/pflueger-reels-fly-reels/pflueger-automatic-fly-reel/1280270.html There are also "yo yo" reels you can get. But they don't look like they are very long. Its a start. I can see something having to be made. I have a friend who is a proper clockmaker. He will know about the springs. I'll ask him. Regards James On 14 September 2016 at 07:41, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > That could still be done Brian. > The "Dive Tracker Sport" has a 4000ft range & indicates position by you > sweeping the receiver unit so that it's LEDs light up strongest in the > direction of > the transmitter. You could have a mechanism that swept the receiver > continually > & records the direction that is associated with the strongest signal. Then > drives > in that direction or stops if it is straight above. However you may as > well have > a support boat doing that. > Cheers Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 14/09/2016, at 5:35 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan, > I was thinking no lines anywhere, just sonar back and forth > between the sub and the buoy. Maybe like a Doppler indicator , like if > it's moving away it would know because of the diminishing sound, so the > buoy would likely have to swim in circles always trying to get closer to > the subs signal. I don't know if there would be enough variation at that > distance to be able to do it though. Seems like it could be done seeing > how accurate these fish finders are these days ! > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:10:59 +0000 (UTC) > > Brian, > that is doable. You could have a winch that keeps a certain > tension on the line & have the line running through a ring, > say a foot down below the buoy. When there is an angle on the > line it would pull the ring in a certain direction; the ring movement > would tell the rov to move in that direction till the pressure was > off the ring. > You could make most of that up with RC parts for boats > apart from the winch. I think you would be looking at at least $500- > in parts to do it, plus a lot of time. > Alan > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:01 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > > The ideal thing would be to have an autonomous rov buoy which would > shadow your sub on the surface ! But how to communicate between the two > ? Sonar ? > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) > > James, > why do you want to drag your dog around behind your submarine? > I have thought of having a float that I can send up when ascending, > to alert surface boats to my position. The idea is to send it up > from about > the 20 - 30ft mark, & have a retracting mechanism to wind in the slack. > There are plenty of divers reels to utilize as a starting point. Lasse's > thread > on using a pneumatic driver got me thinking that a simple pneumatic turbine > with a feed pressure of around 4psi would pull any slack line in & let a > large > enough float pull it out. > It may be a bit more complex in your scenario, as you will have the force > from > drag to consider. > Other thoughts are to start with the divers reel & copy a retracting > mechanism > from somewhere, but using a 316 stainless clock spring of the right size & > torsion. > Let us know how you get on. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:35 PM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > > Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel? I need to have a SMB but I > don't want rope trailing around all over the place. > > I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog > leads. So it will auto wind up and down. > > Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything. > > I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one. > > Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads. One on the bobber, one on the boat > with them joined in the middle. That would give me about 20 meters. Of > course, they would disintegrate after the first use, but ive got several > old ones at home that could be sacrificed. > > Or, some sort of retracting device that could be put inside the bobber? > > any thoughts? > > regards > James > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ > listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 14 05:28:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 09:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel In-Reply-To: References: <20160913223525.7600C4A2@m0087798.ppops.net> <423E50BC-574B-4158-BDB7-6CBE6A438A1A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1173442554.830252.1473845289793@mail.yahoo.com> That looks good James, & a good price!Don't know about it going under the water though!Unless you were intending to attach it to the top of a buoy.I have a friend that repairs fishing reels for a living & itis amazing how water resistant they aren't. Basically if you drop themin salt water, they need overhauling.The trout reels are very simple though, &?you are more likely to?get away with submersing them. I didn't see how much line they held!Alan From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Blimey.? "Doppler indicator wireless remote robot bouy!?" I was thinking something simple!? I'll stick with dragging the?dog around, I need it for Sat.??Seriously though, I did find this which might be ok.??? http://www.pfluegerfishing.com/pflueger-reels-fly-reels/pflueger-automatic-fly-reel/1280270.html?There are also "yo yo" reels you can get.? But they don't look like they are very long.? Its a start.? I can see something having to be made.? I have a friend who is a proper clockmaker.? He will know about the springs. I'll ask him.?RegardsJames??? On 14 September 2016 at 07:41, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: That could still be done Brian.The "Dive Tracker Sport" has a 4000ft range & indicates position by yousweeping the receiver unit so that it's LEDs light up strongest in the direction ofthe transmitter. You could have a mechanism that swept the receiver continually& records the direction that is associated with the strongest signal. Then drivesin that direction or stops if it is straight above. However you may as well havea support boat doing that.Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 14/09/2016, at 5:35 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,?????????? I was thinking no lines anywhere, just sonar back and forth between the sub and the buoy.? Maybe like a Doppler indicator , like if it's moving away it would know because of the diminishing sound, so the buoy would likely have to swim in circles always trying to get closer to the subs signal.? I don't know if there would be?enough variation?at that distance to be able to do it though.? Seems like it could be done seeing how accurate these fish finders are these days !?Brian? --- mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Brian,that is doable. You could have a winch that keeps a certaintension on the line & have the line running through a ring,say a foot down below the buoy. When there is an angle on theline it would pull the ring in a certain direction; the ring movementwould tell the rov to move in that direction till the pressure was off the ring. You could make most of that up with RC parts for boatsapart from the winch. I think you would be looking at at least $500-in parts to do it, plus a lot of time.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel The ideal thing would be to have an autonomous rov buoy which would shadow?your sub on the surface !?? But how to communicate between the two ??? Sonar ??Brian? --- mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) James,why do you want to drag your dog around behind your submarine??? I have thought of having a float that I can send up when ascending,to alert surface boats to my position. The idea is to send it up from?about the 20 - 30ft mark,?& have ?a retracting mechanism to wind in the slack.There are plenty of divers reels to utilize as a starting point. Lasse's threadon using a pneumatic driver got me thinking that a simple pneumatic turbinewith a feed pressure of around 4psi would pull any slack line in & let a largeenough float pull it out. It may be a bit more complex in your scenario, as you will have the force fromdrag to consider.Other thoughts are to start with the divers reel & copy a retracting mechanismfrom somewhere, but using a 316 stainless clock spring of the right size & torsion.Let us know how you get on.Alan From: James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:35 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel?? I need to have a SMB but I don't want rope trailing around all over the place.?I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog leads.? So it will auto wind up and down.? ?Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything.?I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one.?Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads.? One on the bobber, one on the boat with them joined in the middle.? That would give me about 20 meters.? Of course, they would disintegrate after the first use, but ive got several old ones at home that could be sacrificed.?Or, some sort of retracting device that could be put inside the bobber??any thoughts? regardsJames ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ______________________________ _________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs. orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ______________________________ _________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs. orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 14 06:10:53 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:10:53 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel In-Reply-To: <1173442554.830252.1473845289793@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20160913223525.7600C4A2@m0087798.ppops.net> <423E50BC-574B-4158-BDB7-6CBE6A438A1A@yahoo.com> <1173442554.830252.1473845289793@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, no line length specified. But they did say stainless spring etc. Whether it is or not is another thing. But I just ordered one, so I will let you know... Kind regards James On 14 September 2016 at 10:28, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > That looks good James, & a good price! > Don't know about it going under the water though! > Unless you were intending to attach it to the top of a buoy. > I have a friend that repairs fishing reels for a living & it > is amazing how water resistant they aren't. Basically if you drop them > in salt water, they need overhauling. > The trout reels are very simple though, & you are more likely to get away > with submersing them. > I didn't see how much line they held! > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > > Blimey. "Doppler indicator wireless remote robot bouy! " I was thinking > something simple! I'll stick with dragging the dog around, I need it for > Sat. > > Seriously though, I did find this which might be ok. > http://www.pfluegerfishing.com/pflueger-reels-fly-reels/ > pflueger-automatic-fly-reel/1280270.html > > There are also "yo yo" reels you can get. But they don't look like they > are very long. Its a start. I can see something having to be made. I > have a friend who is a proper clockmaker. He will know about the springs. > I'll ask him. > > Regards > James > > > > > On 14 September 2016 at 07:41, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > That could still be done Brian. > The "Dive Tracker Sport" has a 4000ft range & indicates position by you > sweeping the receiver unit so that it's LEDs light up strongest in the > direction of > the transmitter. You could have a mechanism that swept the receiver > continually > & records the direction that is associated with the strongest signal. Then > drives > in that direction or stops if it is straight above. However you may as > well have > a support boat doing that. > Cheers Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 14/09/2016, at 5:35 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > wrote: > > Alan, > I was thinking no lines anywhere, just sonar back and forth > between the sub and the buoy. Maybe like a Doppler indicator , like if > it's moving away it would know because of the diminishing sound, so the > buoy would likely have to swim in circles always trying to get closer to > the subs signal. I don't know if there would be enough variation at that > distance to be able to do it though. Seems like it could be done seeing > how accurate these fish finders are these days ! > > Brian > > --- mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles psubs.org > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:10:59 +0000 (UTC) > > Brian, > that is doable. You could have a winch that keeps a certain > tension on the line & have the line running through a ring, > say a foot down below the buoy. When there is an angle on the > line it would pull the ring in a certain direction; the ring movement > would tell the rov to move in that direction till the pressure was > off the ring. > You could make most of that up with RC parts for boats > apart from the winch. I think you would be looking at at least $500- > in parts to do it, plus a lot of time. > Alan > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles psubs.org > > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:01 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > > The ideal thing would be to have an autonomous rov buoy which would > shadow your sub on the surface ! But how to communicate between the two > ? Sonar ? > > Brian > > --- mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > wrote: > > From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles psubs.org > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) > > James, > why do you want to drag your dog around behind your submarine? > I have thought of having a float that I can send up when ascending, > to alert surface boats to my position. The idea is to send it up > from about > the 20 - 30ft mark, & have a retracting mechanism to wind in the slack. > There are plenty of divers reels to utilize as a starting point. Lasse's > thread > on using a pneumatic driver got me thinking that a simple pneumatic turbine > with a feed pressure of around 4psi would pull any slack line in & let a > large > enough float pull it out. > It may be a bit more complex in your scenario, as you will have the force > from > drag to consider. > Other thoughts are to start with the divers reel & copy a retracting > mechanism > from somewhere, but using a 316 stainless clock spring of the right size & > torsion. > Let us know how you get on. > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:35 PM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel > > Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel? I need to have a SMB but I > don't want rope trailing around all over the place. > > I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog > leads. So it will auto wind up and down. > > Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything. > > I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one. > > Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads. One on the bobber, one on the boat > with them joined in the middle. That would give me about 20 meters. Of > course, they would disintegrate after the first use, but ive got several > old ones at home that could be sacrificed. > > Or, some sort of retracting device that could be put inside the bobber? > > any thoughts? > > regards > James > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 14 09:51:20 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 15:51:20 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel In-Reply-To: References: <20160913223525.7600C4A2@m0087798.ppops.net> <423E50BC-574B-4158-BDB7-6CBE6A438A1A@yahoo.com> <1173442554.830252.1473845289793@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello On pilotfish I have a reel with 160meter long kite surf line actuated by hand through a mechanical through hull. Quite basic, can be slow but it works Wireless would be nice but a whole project itself which i am currently thinking of: surface drone boat with usbl/acoustic data modem, energy steering and propulsion, autotracking control and while we are there, aerial communications... Regards Antoine On Wednesday, September 14, 2016, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Yes, no line length specified. But they did say stainless spring etc. > Whether it is or not is another thing. But I just ordered one, so I will > let you know... > > Kind regards > James > > On 14 September 2016 at 10:28, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > wrote: > >> That looks good James, & a good price! >> Don't know about it going under the water though! >> Unless you were intending to attach it to the top of a buoy. >> I have a friend that repairs fishing reels for a living & it >> is amazing how water resistant they aren't. Basically if you drop them >> in salt water, they need overhauling. >> The trout reels are very simple though, & you are more likely to get away >> with submersing them. >> I didn't see how much line they held! >> Alan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 8:54 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel >> >> Blimey. "Doppler indicator wireless remote robot bouy! " I was thinking >> something simple! I'll stick with dragging the dog around, I need it for >> Sat. >> >> Seriously though, I did find this which might be ok. >> http://www.pfluegerfishing.com/pflueger-reels-fly-reels/pflu >> eger-automatic-fly-reel/1280270.html >> >> There are also "yo yo" reels you can get. But they don't look like they >> are very long. Its a start. I can see something having to be made. I >> have a friend who is a proper clockmaker. He will know about the springs. >> I'll ask him. >> >> Regards >> James >> >> >> >> >> On 14 September 2016 at 07:41, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > wrote: >> >> That could still be done Brian. >> The "Dive Tracker Sport" has a 4000ft range & indicates position by you >> sweeping the receiver unit so that it's LEDs light up strongest in the >> direction of >> the transmitter. You could have a mechanism that swept the receiver >> continually >> & records the direction that is associated with the strongest signal. >> Then drives >> in that direction or stops if it is straight above. However you may as >> well have >> a support boat doing that. >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 14/09/2016, at 5:35 pm, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < >> mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > wrote: >> >> Alan, >> I was thinking no lines anywhere, just sonar back and forth >> between the sub and the buoy. Maybe like a Doppler indicator , like if >> it's moving away it would know because of the diminishing sound, so the >> buoy would likely have to swim in circles always trying to get closer to >> the subs signal. I don't know if there would be enough variation at that >> distance to be able to do it though. Seems like it could be done seeing >> how accurate these fish finders are these days ! >> >> Brian >> >> --- mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> wrote: >> >> From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > psubs.org >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel >> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:10:59 +0000 (UTC) >> >> Brian, >> that is doable. You could have a winch that keeps a certain >> tension on the line & have the line running through a ring, >> say a foot down below the buoy. When there is an angle on the >> line it would pull the ring in a certain direction; the ring movement >> would tell the rov to move in that direction till the pressure was >> off the ring. >> You could make most of that up with RC parts for boats >> apart from the winch. I think you would be looking at at least $500- >> in parts to do it, plus a lot of time. >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < >> mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:01 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel >> >> The ideal thing would be to have an autonomous rov buoy which would >> shadow your sub on the surface ! But how to communicate between the two >> ? Sonar ? >> >> Brian >> >> --- mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> wrote: >> >> From: Alan James via Personal_Submersibles > psubs.org >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel >> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) >> >> James, >> why do you want to drag your dog around behind your submarine? >> I have thought of having a float that I can send up when ascending, >> to alert surface boats to my position. The idea is to send it up >> from about >> the 20 - 30ft mark, & have a retracting mechanism to wind in the slack. >> There are plenty of divers reels to utilize as a starting point. Lasse's >> thread >> on using a pneumatic driver got me thinking that a simple pneumatic >> turbine >> with a feed pressure of around 4psi would pull any slack line in & let a >> large >> enough float pull it out. >> It may be a bit more complex in your scenario, as you will have the force >> from >> drag to consider. >> Other thoughts are to start with the divers reel & copy a retracting >> mechanism >> from somewhere, but using a 316 stainless clock spring of the right size >> & torsion. >> Let us know how you get on. >> Alan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < >> mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:35 PM >> *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] Retractable Reel >> >> Anyone got any ideas for a retractable reel? I need to have a SMB but I >> don't want rope trailing around all over the place. >> >> I was thinking of something like one of those automatic retracting dog >> leads. So it will auto wind up and down. >> >> Ive searched for something suitable off the shelf but cant find anything. >> >> I don't have a through hull available for a manual winding one. >> >> Im temped to use 2 of those dog leads. One on the bobber, one on the >> boat with them joined in the middle. That would give me about 20 meters. >> Of course, they would disintegrate after the first use, but ive got several >> old ones at home that could be sacrificed. >> >> Or, some sort of retracting device that could be put inside the bobber? >> >> any thoughts? >> >> regards >> James >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles >> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles >> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> mailto:Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 04:53:38 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:53:38 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: <20160915202055.7604FAB8@m0087791.ppops.net> References: <20160915202055.7604FAB8@m0087791.ppops.net> Message-ID: Brian, On my sub, I am constantly moving weights around internally to balance the boat and help vent the main tanks. If I could move the dropweights with a handle, like a plane trim control it would be easier. I am going to make this a feature of my new boat. Just a thought.. regards James On 16 September 2016 at 04:20, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi All, > I'm getting excited to be working on my new drop weight > design ! What I've decided to do is to make a whole lot of 1 inch > diameter lead balls which will fall out when I open a door on the bottom of > a rather large holding container. Since my drop weight shaft is at an > angle instead of straight down I didn't want too much angular force on the > shaft, so this way most of the weight of the lead will be carried by the > holding container. I know it's going to be a lot of extra work making the > molds and everything but I've always like the idea of the lead shot type of > ballast release. Turns out that you need 5X the diameter of the ball > diameter for the exit hole where the lead falls out. I'm in the process of > building a sphere making tool which I will also be able to utilize for the > cue ball arm device. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 06:59:21 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: <20160915202055.7604FAB8@m0087791.ppops.net> References: <20160915202055.7604FAB8@m0087791.ppops.net> Message-ID: <469724741.825557.1474023561634@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,It sounds like a lot of extra work, making little lead balls and a container that could get plugged up. ?Can't you just make a lead block and cast in ss bars to hold the block in place. ?That is what Gamma has. ?Hank On Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:21 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,???????????? I'm getting excited to be working on my new drop weight design !??? What I've decided to do is to make a whole lot of 1 inch diameter lead balls which will fall out when I open a door on the bottom of a rather large holding container.?? Since my drop weight shaft is at an angle instead of straight down I didn't want too much angular force on the shaft, so this way most of the weight of the lead will be carried by the holding container.? I know it's going to be a lot of extra work making the molds and everything but I've always like the idea of the lead shot type of ballast release.? Turns out that you need 5X the diameter of the ball diameter?for the exit hole where the lead falls out.? I'm in the process of building a sphere making tool which I will also be able to utilize for the cue ball arm device.? ?Brian _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 08:06:54 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:06:54 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: <469724741.825557.1474023561634@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20160915202055.7604FAB8@m0087791.ppops.net> <469724741.825557.1474023561634@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: that's a point. they may get blocked up on release? like pouring rice down a funnel. Sometimes gets stuck and requires a shake. On 16 September 2016 at 11:59, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Brian, > It sounds like a lot of extra work, making little lead balls and a > container that could get plugged up. Can't you just make a lead block and > cast in ss bars to hold the block in place. That is what Gamma has. > Hank > > > On Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:21 PM, Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi All, > I'm getting excited to be working on my new drop weight > design ! What I've decided to do is to make a whole lot of 1 inch > diameter lead balls which will fall out when I open a door on the bottom of > a rather large holding container. Since my drop weight shaft is at an > angle instead of straight down I didn't want too much angular force on the > shaft, so this way most of the weight of the lead will be carried by the > holding container. I know it's going to be a lot of extra work making the > molds and everything but I've always like the idea of the lead shot type of > ballast release. Turns out that you need 5X the diameter of the ball > diameter for the exit hole where the lead falls out. I'm in the process of > building a sphere making tool which I will also be able to utilize for the > cue ball arm device. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 08:48:55 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:48:55 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: References: <20160915202055.7604FAB8@m0087791.ppops.net> <469724741.825557.1474023561634@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57DBEA37.7010607@artematrix.org> Gentlemen, If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf lead balls (as used in shotguns) in two individual pellet ballast hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg Best regards, Jens Laland From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 11:03:54 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:03:54 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: <57DBEA37.7010607@artematrix.org> References: <20160915202055.7604FAB8@m0087791.ppops.net> <469724741.825557.1474023561634@mail.yahoo.com> <57DBEA37.7010607@artematrix.org> Message-ID: Hi Brian, take a look at James Camron's sub. He used lead shot. I remember seeing a video on some of the design challenges on how the hopper opened. Might be worth a look. David Colombo On Sep 16, 2016 5:49 AM, "Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Gentlemen, > > If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf > lead balls (as used in shotguns) in two individual pellet ballast > hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg > > Best regards, > Jens Laland > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 11:28:14 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 08:28:14 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design Message-ID: <20160916082814.7604DAFF@m0087791.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 14:46:15 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:46:15 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: <57DBEA37.7010607@artematrix.org> References: <20160915202055.7604FAB8@m0087791.ppops.net> <469724741.825557.1474023561634@mail.yahoo.com> <57DBEA37.7010607@artematrix.org> Message-ID: Actually they used steel shot rather than lead, and the flow was started or stopped via an electromagnet. A benefit of this was that you could easily shed increments of weight, and another was that if you lost power, the sub would drop it's ballast automatically (i.e. fail-safe). Best, Alec On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Gentlemen, > > If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf > lead balls (as used in shotguns) in two individual pellet ballast > hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg > > Best regards, > Jens Laland > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 14:47:09 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:47:09 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: References: <20160915202055.7604FAB8@m0087791.ppops.net> <469724741.825557.1474023561634@mail.yahoo.com> <57DBEA37.7010607@artematrix.org> Message-ID: Sorry, should have clarified I was referring to Piccard not Cameron. On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Alec Smyth wrote: > Actually they used steel shot rather than lead, and the flow was started > or stopped via an electromagnet. A benefit of this was that you could > easily shed increments of weight, and another was that if you lost power, > the sub would drop it's ballast automatically (i.e. fail-safe). > > Best, > > Alec > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Gentlemen, >> >> If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf >> lead balls (as used in shotguns) in two individual pellet ballast >> hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref >> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg >> >> Best regards, >> Jens Laland >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 15:09:17 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:09:17 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15734672398-4aed-8be9@webprd-a75.mail.aol.com> The French didn't have anything to do with Trieste except for escort duty. It was built in Italy (in Trieste, don't you know) and belonged to Auguste Picard, who was Swiss. Then the US Navy. And yes, steel shot was used on all the bathyscaphs, including the French one, which was built later and called Archimede. And a few others, as well (like Nalutile). All of them had some variation of a ring electromagnet at the throat which served as a valve. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design Actually they used steel shot rather than lead, and the flow was started or stopped via an electromagnet. A benefit of this was that you could easily shed increments of weight, and another was that if you lost power, the sub would drop it's ballast automatically (i.e. fail-safe). Best, Alec On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Gentlemen, If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf lead balls (as used in shotguns) in two individual pellet ballast hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg Best regards, Jens Laland _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 16 15:12:10 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:12:10 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: <15734672398-4aed-8be9@webprd-a75.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <1573469c782-4aed-8c04@webprd-a75.mail.aol.com> Oops, that would be Nautile, the French sub. -----Original Message----- From: via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design The French didn't have anything to do with Trieste except for escort duty. It was built in Italy (in Trieste, don't you know) and belonged to Auguste Picard, who was Swiss. Then the US Navy. And yes, steel shot was used on all the bathyscaphs, including the French one, which was built later and called Archimede. And a few others, as well (like Nalutile). All of them had some variation of a ring electromagnet at the throat which served as a valve. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design Actually they used steel shot rather than lead, and the flow was started or stopped via an electromagnet. A benefit of this was that you could easily shed increments of weight, and another was that if you lost power, the sub would drop it's ballast automatically (i.e. fail-safe). Best, Alec On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Gentlemen, If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf lead balls (as used in shotguns) in two individual pellet ballast hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg Best regards, Jens Laland _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 17 15:59:52 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:59:52 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design Message-ID: <20160917125952.76011FA3@m0087797.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 17 16:29:42 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 08:29:42 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: <20160917125952.76011FA3@m0087797.ppops.net> References: <20160917125952.76011FA3@m0087797.ppops.net> Message-ID: <34C900EF-3C19-48A8-A272-8F2C72AEA891@yahoo.com> Brian, We discussed this a few years back, & I can remember Vance making some negative comments about the system, saying that on the slightest interruption to the power the ballast would drop. It may be that because the subs mentioned, are going so deep, there are very few other alternatives. I have a stack of magnets for fire safety doors, that keep doors open & release them to close in event of fire. They don't seem to draw much in the way of amps, from memory. Of course you would have to epoxy them or something, & they would loose a bit of power with the bigger gap caused by the insulation. You would need a manual system to hold them in while transporting & when the power was off for storage. A big plus would be the instantaneous response in an emergency, but you could get that other ways. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 18/09/2016, at 7:59 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I wonder how many watts those electromagnets take? I could do some tests to see what it would take to hold back the pressure of the shot. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:12:10 -0400 > > Oops, that would be Nautile, the French sub. > > > s > -----Original Message----- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles > Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 3:09 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design > > The French didn't have anything to do with Trieste except for escort duty. It was built in Italy (in Trieste, don't you know) and belonged to Auguste Picard, who was Swiss. Then the US Navy. And yes, steel shot was used on all the bathyscaphs, including the French one, which was built later and called Archimede. And a few others, as well (like Nalutile). All of them had some variation of a ring electromagnet at the throat which served as a valve. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 2:46 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design > > Actually they used steel shot rather than lead, and the flow was started or stopped via an electromagnet. A benefit of this was that you could easily shed increments of weight, and another was that if you lost power, the sub would drop it's ballast automatically (i.e. fail-safe). > > Best, > > Alec > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Gentlemen, > > If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf > lead balls (as used in shotguns) in two individual pellet ballast > hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg > > Best regards, > Jens Laland > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 17 17:00:01 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: <34C900EF-3C19-48A8-A272-8F2C72AEA891@yahoo.com> References: <20160917125952.76011FA3@m0087797.ppops.net> <34C900EF-3C19-48A8-A272-8F2C72AEA891@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1616595163.282418.1474146001815@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Brian,If you are putting this idea to a vote, my vote is no. ?For one you are over complicating a uncomplicated feature. ?If you want to drop weight in increments then you can make that system mechanical just as easy. ?You could argue that with magnets, the sub would surface if you were?unconscious. ?If that is your reasoning then it may be practical. ?I have learned that less is better in a psub and that goes for all the crap we carry around. ?Heck I carry enough stuff to run away from home and rebuild a small block chevy. ?;-)Hank On Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:30 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian,We discussed this a few years back, & I can remember Vance making?some negative comments about the system, saying that on the slightestinterruption to the power the ballast would drop.It may be that because the subs mentioned, are going so deep,there are very few other alternatives.I have a stack of magnets for fire safety doors, that keep doors open& release them to close in event of fire. They don't seem to draw muchin the way of amps, from memory.Of course you would have to epoxy them or something, & they would loosea bit of power with the bigger gap caused by the insulation.You would need a manual system to hold them in while transporting &when the power was off for storage.?A big plus would be the instantaneous response in an emergency, butyou could get that other ways.Alan Sent from my iPad On 18/09/2016, at 7:59 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I wonder how many watts those electromagnets take??? I could do some tests to see what it would take to hold back the pressure of the shot.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:12:10 -0400 Oops, that would be Nautile, the French sub. s? -----Original Message----- From: via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design The French didn't have anything to do with Trieste except for escort duty. It was built in Italy (in Trieste, don't you know) and belonged to Auguste Picard, who was Swiss. Then the US Navy. And yes, steel shot was used on all the bathyscaphs, including the French one, which was built later and called Archimede. And a few others, as well (like Nalutile). All of them had some variation of a ring electromagnet at the throat which served as a valve.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design Actually they used steel shot rather than lead, and the flow was started or stopped via an electromagnet. A benefit of this was that you could easily shed increments of weight, and another was that if you lost power, the sub would drop it's ballast automatically (i.e. fail-safe). Best, Alec On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Gentlemen, If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf lead balls (as used in shotguns) in two individual pellet ballast hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg Best regards, Jens Laland _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Sep 17 19:47:36 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:47:36 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design In-Reply-To: <1616595163.282418.1474146001815@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20160917125952.76011FA3@m0087797.ppops.net> <34C900EF-3C19-48A8-A272-8F2C72AEA891@yahoo.com> <1616595163.282418.1474146001815@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brian, I'm in agreement with Hank, keep it simple. A hopper could work well, except, not much possibility of adjusting weights for trim. David Colombo On Sep 17, 2016 2:03 PM, "hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Brian, > If you are putting this idea to a vote, my vote is no. For one you are > over complicating a uncomplicated feature. If you want to drop weight in > increments then you can make that system mechanical just as easy. You > could argue that with magnets, the sub would surface if you were unconscious. > If that is your reasoning then it may be practical. I have learned that > less is better in a psub and that goes for all the crap we carry around. > Heck I carry enough stuff to run away from home and rebuild a small block > chevy. ;-) > Hank > > > On Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:30 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Brian, > We discussed this a few years back, & I can remember Vance making > some negative comments about the system, saying that on the slightest > interruption to the power the ballast would drop. > It may be that because the subs mentioned, are going so deep, > there are very few other alternatives. > I have a stack of magnets for fire safety doors, that keep doors open > & release them to close in event of fire. They don't seem to draw much > in the way of amps, from memory. > Of course you would have to epoxy them or something, & they would loose > a bit of power with the bigger gap caused by the insulation. > You would need a manual system to hold them in while transporting & > when the power was off for storage. > A big plus would be the instantaneous response in an emergency, but > you could get that other ways. > Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 18/09/2016, at 7:59 am, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > I wonder how many watts those electromagnets take? I could do some tests > to see what it would take to hold back the pressure of the shot. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:12:10 -0400 > > Oops, that would be Nautile, the French sub. > > > s > -----Original Message----- > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles > Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 3:09 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design > > The French didn't have anything to do with Trieste except for escort duty. > It was built in Italy (in Trieste, don't you know) and belonged to Auguste > Picard, who was Swiss. Then the US Navy. And yes, steel shot was used on > all the bathyscaphs, including the French one, which was built later and > called Archimede. And a few others, as well (like Nalutile). All of them > had some variation of a ring electromagnet at the throat which served as a > valve. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion org> > Sent: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 2:46 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Drop weight design > > Actually they used steel shot rather than lead, and the flow was started > or stopped via an electromagnet. A benefit of this was that you could > easily shed increments of weight, and another was that if you lost power, > the sub would drop it's ballast automatically (i.e. fail-safe). > > Best, > > Alec > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jens Laland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > If I'm not wrong, I think the French used a whole lot of off-the-shelf > lead balls (as used in shotguns) in two individual pellet ballast > hoppers when they operated the "Trieste" back in the 50's, ref > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trieste_nh96807.svg > > Best regards, > Jens Laland > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ > listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any help and links to websites/videos are appreciated. Thank you, Scott Waters From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 19 11:54:00 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (roberto alvarez via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 17:54:00 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass In-Reply-To: <20160919152439.18487.qmail@server268.com> References: <20160919152439.18487.qmail@server268.com> Message-ID: You can ener to the FIBERGLAST web site on the videos or learning section, you need gelcoat fot that smooth finish, the thickness will be function of the pressure that will resist, i am not a genious so i use the formula, Pressure is equal to the Force over the Area, if your fairing will be on the same pressure on both sides, the thickness will be less than 4 mm or 2 glass coats (1/8 is the average laminate with cloth ) of your part will be exposed to air inside and water outside yo can use he formula and find the max yield stress for a fiberglass laminate and calc the thicness, as itold you i am not a genious i just learn the basic relations that make the things work and play with the relations between them, 2016-09-19 17:24 GMT+02:00 via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org>: > Hey everyone, > > For someone such as myself that doesn't know much about fiberglass. Can I > get some help for what I need to do to build the fairings for Pisces VI? > > *What fabric and resin do I use > > *I know of the foam plug method, but how do I get the outside to be pretty > and smooth. do I have to use a negative mold for that? > > *How do I correlate how much fabric I need to equal a specific thickness? > > Any help and links to websites/videos are appreciated. > > Thank you, > Scott Waters > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 19 12:17:29 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Dan Hryhorcoff via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:17:29 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass In-Reply-To: <20160919152439.18487.qmail@server268.com> References: <20160919152439.18487.qmail@server268.com> Message-ID: <433919162C84487A9AF8BEC048DD1B4F@DanPC> Scott, If you give me a call I can give you a little guidance. It's more then I care to type about. 570 780-4726 Dan H in the USA -----Original Message----- From: via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:24 AM To: PSUBS Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass Hey everyone, For someone such as myself that doesn't know much about fiberglass. Can I get some help for what I need to do to build the fairings for Pisces VI? *What fabric and resin do I use *I know of the foam plug method, but how do I get the outside to be pretty and smooth. do I have to use a negative mold for that? *How do I correlate how much fabric I need to equal a specific thickness? Any help and links to websites/videos are appreciated. Thank you, Scott Waters _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 19 14:00:31 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:00:31 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass Message-ID: <20160919110031.76075492@m0087793.ppops.net> Scott, The gel coat is what makes for a really clean and glossy finish, it's the first coat that is put on the mold. I've never done it, but it's how they do all the boats you see. If you could get into a boat manufacturing place that would very educational ! But of course they would be using blown fiberglass which would be more for mass production. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: via Personal_Submersibles To: PSUBS Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:24:39 -0500 Hey everyone, For someone such as myself that doesn't know much about fiberglass. Can I get some help for what I need to do to build the fairings for Pisces VI? *What fabric and resin do I use *I know of the foam plug method, but how do I get the outside to be pretty and smooth. do I have to use a negative mold for that? *How do I correlate how much fabric I need to equal a specific thickness? Any help and links to websites/videos are appreciated. Thank you, Scott Waters _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Sep 19 14:18:27 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:18:27 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass In-Reply-To: <20160919152439.18487.qmail@server268.com> References: <20160919152439.18487.qmail@server268.com> Message-ID: <1474309107993.943342.145fcfbac5d5f097857b75c9f8cc1fa60dac3900@spica.telekom.de> Hi Scott 01) make a positiv from plywood, foam, concret whatever. Make the surface smooth and stable and with overlength of 2-5 inches 02) make a negativ copy from Polyester and Glasfiber 03) Make your positiv orginal copies - cut the overlength. Thats a short description of a long way. 0A) make a positiv from plywood. Make the surface smooth and stable 0B) Bring this positiv to a small boatsbulder and let him make the 02) and 03) Because that the most labour hours are in 01) - 0A) the rest in sometimes cheap. If the Pisces is normaly storage is outside the water - Polyester resin with a Gelcoat outside and a epoxypaint inside is a good and unexpensive and easy to handle way. If it is long time exposende in the water maybe Epoxy resin is the better solution but more tricky to handle and more expensive. vbr Carsten - I can send you more pictures because here the pictures are very limited in size and amount. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass Datum: 2016-09-19T17:27:27+0200 Von: "via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSUBS" Hey everyone, For someone such as myself that doesn't know much about fiberglass. Can I get some help for what I need to do to build the fairings for Pisces VI? *What fabric and resin do I use *I know of the foam plug method, but how do I get the outside to be pretty and smooth. do I have to use a negative mold for that? *How do I correlate how much fabric I need to equal a specific thickness? Any help and links to websites/videos are appreciated. Thank you, Scott Waters _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Formen-KSS-and_next_Nemo.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 115323 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However thiswould probably be bad for the bearings, being too low a viscosity, and also ithad a low flash point.The Morlina is designed as a high speed bearing / spindle oil, is non corrosive& has a viscosity of 10 & flash point of 150C. I had been looking for a product "Shellflex 210" (viscosity 20.3) which is used in transformers and oil compensating pumps, but couldn't find any locally. The lower viscosity of the Morlina will probably suit my small motors better.Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking that a cue ball type ball could be machined with some shaft on each side which might make for a more ridged part.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Q - ball arm Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Brian,Remember I have a Q ball arm socket sitting on my shelf if you need a picture or anything. ?I actually made a Q ball arm socket one time from a ss ball valve, the billiard ball fit it perfectly. ?I also was going to experiment with making a metal socket without the hassle of machining the curvature to fit the ball. ?I thought about making the socket with a square seat and pour in high compression casting resin-using the ball for the mould. ?So essentially your making a ball valve plastic seat. ?Just ?some thoughts.Hank_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 20 18:18:51 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:18:51 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?fiberglass?= In-Reply-To: <1474309107993.943342.145fcfbac5d5f097857b75c9f8cc1fa60dac3900@spica.telekom.de> References: <20160919152439.18487.qmail@server268.com> <1474309107993.943342.145fcfbac5d5f097857b75c9f8cc1fa60dac3900@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <20160920221851.6927.qmail@server268.com> Thank you everyone for your help. I think I got a great plan for the fiberglass for Pisces VI now. Thank you, Scott Waters > -------Original Message------- > From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass > Sent: Sep 19 '16 13:20 > > > > Hi Scott > > 01) make a positiv from plywood, foam, concret whatever. Make the surface smooth and stable and with overlength of 2-5 inches > 02) make a negativ copy from Polyester and Glasfiber > 03) Make your positiv orginal copies - cut the overlength. > Thats a short description of a long way. > > 0A) make a positiv from plywood. Make the surface smooth and stable > 0B) Bring this positiv to a small boatsbulder and let him make the 02) and 03) > Because that the most labour hours are in 01) - 0A) the rest in sometimes cheap. > > If the Pisces is normaly storage is outside the water - Polyester resin with a Gelcoat outside and a epoxypaint inside is a good and unexpensive and easy to handle way. If it is long time exposende in the water maybe Epoxy resin is the better solution but more tricky to handle and more expensive. > > vbr Carsten -??I can send you more pictures because here the pictures are very limited in size and amount. > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass > Datum: 2016-09-19T17:27:27+0200 > Von: "via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "PSUBS" > > Hey everyone, > > For someone such as myself that doesn't know much about fiberglass. Can I get some help for what I need to do to build the fairings for Pisces VI? > > *What fabric and resin do I use > > *I know of the foam plug method, but how do I get the outside to be pretty and smooth. do I have to use a negative mold for that? > > *How do I correlate how much fabric I need to equal a specific thickness? > > Any help and links to websites/videos are appreciated. > > Thank you, > Scott Waters > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ?_______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Sep 20 22:13:25 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 19:13:25 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass In-Reply-To: <20160920221851.6927.qmail@server268.com> References: <20160919152439.18487.qmail@server268.com> <1474309107993.943342.145fcfbac5d5f097857b75c9f8cc1fa60dac3900@spica.telekom.de> <20160920221851.6927.qmail@server268.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, while I'm not an expert on the gel coat / fiberglass materials, I will give you my advice on the mold process. On the SeaQuestor project the exoskeleton was modeled in Rino. From there the mold patteren is being sent to a 5 axis cnc machine. The mold will be cut out of the cheapest styrofoam. We will then be spray gluing tin foil from your local store to the surface. Once the entire surface is covered in foil, a wax coat is applied like normal. The majority of any fine wrinkles from the gluing process will disappear with the wax. Then the parts are ready to be laid up by the fiberglasser. The foam mold will be able to pull at least two parts or more depending on the amount of foam remaining after the cnc process. Here is the best part of the process. For the SeaQuestor, two molds will be made, cnc time 2 days, prep time 1 day, fiberglass layup and demold, 1 day. Final surface finsh, varies based upon quality of foil job, 1-2 days, ready for paint if desired. Then repeat for next part. My cost for 2 molds, approximately 18 ft x 7 ft x 4 ft each from foam blocks, cnc work at around 5k ready to glass, glass work around $11.00 per sq.ft. surface area. My opinion is the 3d molds from the Rhino type program with cnc is the most time efficient, and I can easily make additional matting parts from the model. Just my two cents worth. David Colombo On Sep 20, 2016 3:19 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thank you everyone for your help. I think I got a great plan for the > fiberglass for Pisces VI now. > > Thank you, > Scott Waters > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass > > Sent: Sep 19 '16 13:20 > > > > > > > > Hi Scott > > > > 01) make a positiv from plywood, foam, concret whatever. Make the > surface smooth and stable and with overlength of 2-5 inches > > 02) make a negativ copy from Polyester and Glasfiber > > 03) Make your positiv orginal copies - cut the overlength. > > Thats a short description of a long way. > > > > 0A) make a positiv from plywood. Make the surface smooth and stable > > 0B) Bring this positiv to a small boatsbulder and let him make the 02) > and 03) > > Because that the most labour hours are in 01) - 0A) the rest in > sometimes cheap. > > > > If the Pisces is normaly storage is outside the water - Polyester resin > with a Gelcoat outside and a epoxypaint inside is a good and unexpensive > and easy to handle way. If it is long time exposende in the water maybe > Epoxy resin is the better solution but more tricky to handle and more > expensive. > > > > vbr Carsten - I can send you more pictures because here the pictures > are very limited in size and amount. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass > > Datum: 2016-09-19T17:27:27+0200 > > Von: "via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "PSUBS" > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > For someone such as myself that doesn't know much about fiberglass. Can > I get some help for what I need to do to build the fairings for Pisces VI? > > > > *What fabric and resin do I use > > > > *I know of the foam plug method, but how do I get the outside to be > pretty and smooth. do I have to use a negative mold for that? > > > > *How do I correlate how much fabric I need to equal a specific > thickness? > > > > Any help and links to websites/videos are appreciated. > > > > Thank you, > > Scott Waters > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > ?_______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you, Scott Waters > -------Original Message------- > From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass > Sent: Sep 20 '16 21:15 > > Hi Scott, while I'm not an expert on the gel coat / fiberglass > materials, I will give you my advice on the mold process. On the > SeaQuestor project the exoskeleton was modeled in Rino. From there the > mold patteren is being sent to a 5 axis cnc machine. The mold will be > cut out of the cheapest styrofoam. We will then be spray gluing tin > foil from your local store to the surface. Once the entire surface is > covered in foil, a wax coat is applied like normal. The majority of > any fine wrinkles from the gluing process will disappear with the wax. > Then the parts are ready to be laid up by the fiberglasser. The foam > mold will be able to pull at least two parts or more depending on the > amount of foam remaining after the cnc process. > > Here is the best part of the process. For the SeaQuestor, two molds > will be made, cnc time 2 days, prep time 1 day, fiberglass layup and > demold, 1 day. Final surface finsh, varies based upon quality of foil > job, 1-2 days, ready for paint if desired. Then repeat for next part. > > > My cost for 2 molds, approximately 18 ft x 7 ft x 4 ft each from foam > blocks, cnc work at around 5k ready to glass, glass work around $11.00 > per sq.ft. surface area. > My opinion is the 3d molds from the Rhino type program with cnc is > the most time efficient, and I can easily make additional matting > parts from the model. > > Just my two cents worth. > > David Colombo > On Sep 20, 2016 3:19 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" > wrote: > > > Thank you everyone for your help. I think I got a great plan for the > > fiberglass for Pisces VI now. > > > > Thank you, > > Scott Waters > > > >> -------Original Message------- > >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > > > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass > >> Sent: Sep 19 '16 13:20 > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Scott > >> > >> 01) make a positiv from plywood, foam, concret whatever. Make > > the surface smooth and stable and with overlength of 2-5 inches > >> 02) make a negativ copy from Polyester and Glasfiber > >> 03) Make your positiv orginal copies - cut the overlength. > >> Thats a short description of a long way. > >> > >> 0A) make a positiv from plywood. Make the surface smooth and > > stable > >> 0B) Bring this positiv to a small boatsbulder and let him make > > the 02) and 03) > >> Because that the most labour hours are in 01) - 0A) the rest in > > sometimes cheap. > >> > >> If the Pisces is normaly storage is outside the water - > > Polyester resin with a Gelcoat outside and a epoxypaint inside is a > > good and unexpensive and easy to handle way. If it is long time > > exposende in the water maybe Epoxy resin is the better solution but > > more tricky to handle and more expensive. > >> > >> vbr Carsten - I can send you more pictures because here the > > pictures are very limited in size and amount. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] fiberglass > >> Datum: 2016-09-19T17:27:27+0200 > >> Von: "via Personal_Submersibles" > > > >> An: "PSUBS" > >> > >> Hey everyone, > >> > >> For someone such as myself that doesn't know much about > > fiberglass. Can I get some help for what I need to do to build the > > fairings for Pisces VI? > >> > >> *What fabric and resin do I use > >> > >> *I know of the foam plug method, but how do I get the outside to > > be pretty and smooth. do I have to use a negative mold for that? > >> > >> *How do I correlate how much fabric I need to equal a specific > > thickness? > >> > >> Any help and links to websites/videos are appreciated. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Scott Waters > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> ?_______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > ------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 23 22:14:51 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:14:51 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass In-Reply-To: <2079461091.1233014.1466887044755.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2079461091.1233014.1466887044755.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2079461091.1233014.1466887044755.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good ol Murphy's law On Saturday, June 25, 2016, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Okay, weird stuff here, my compass works fine in the shop and in a pail of > water but when it hits the lake it is stuck. I took it apart and the > rubber membrane is perfect, there is no air in the little dome. So what > gives, is it scared to go in the deep lake? > Hank > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Sep 23 22:40:16 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (k6fee via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:40:16 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass Message-ID: <4645bxvhcna9ayk3ryg5ivjo.1474684816101@email.android.com> Hank, Maybe the water pressure ?is deforming the case enough to keep the compass card from turning. Keith T. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles Date: 9/23/16 7:14 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass Good ol Murphy's law? On Saturday, June 25, 2016, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, weird stuff here, my compass works fine in the shop and in a pail of water but when it hits the lake it is stuck.? I took it apart and the rubber membrane is perfect, there is no air in the little dome.? So what gives, is it scared to go in the deep lake?Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Sep 28 22:32:43 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:32:43 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates Message-ID: Hello gang, just a couple of quick updates... Snoopy will be on location for diving in Islamorada, FL October 17 through 22 - anyone who can make it is welcome to attend / support / bring a sub (we can davit launch). Sorry for the short notice, we've been working to schedule around a bunch of other stuff. We have added a HP air compressor to Snoopy's support equipment... grade E breathing air up to 4500PSI - happy to fill anyone's tanks for free. Also working on an experimental project: a wind turbine generator to help charge the sub's batteries. at this point it's only an assist to the charger, but hopefully we will eventually charge the whole bank from solar/wind generated power (abundant in all forms down in the Keys!). ~ Douglas S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 29 01:22:44 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:22:44 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates In-Reply-To: pRADbMFnJQKZEpRAEb8ugo References: pRADbMFnJQKZEpRAEb8ugo Message-ID: <004901d21a11$8364c030$8a2e4090$@telus.net> Tough luck for me, I will be in Marathon in mid-November. Too bad I will miss the event. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 7:33 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates Hello gang, just a couple of quick updates... Snoopy will be on location for diving in Islamorada, FL October 17 through 22 - anyone who can make it is welcome to attend / support / bring a sub (we can davit launch). Sorry for the short notice, we've been working to schedule around a bunch of other stuff. We have added a HP air compressor to Snoopy's support equipment... grade E breathing air up to 4500PSI - happy to fill anyone's tanks for free. Also working on an experimental project: a wind turbine generator to help charge the sub's batteries. at this point it's only an assist to the charger, but hopefully we will eventually charge the whole bank from solar/wind generated power (abundant in all forms down in the Keys!). ~ Douglas S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 29 02:05:25 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 19:05:25 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B3F209F-EFD3-4853-BF5D-18A2A4F4E94F@yahoo.com> I won't be coming over, but have fond memories of your Mom & Aunt serving crayfish & endless beers, the perfect launch set up, hot weather, the Islamorada fish market etc. Highly recommended. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 29/09/2016, at 3:32 pm, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hello gang, just a couple of quick updates... > > Snoopy will be on location for diving in Islamorada, FL October 17 through 22 - anyone who can make it is welcome to attend / support / bring a sub (we can davit launch). Sorry for the short notice, we've been working to schedule around a bunch of other stuff. > > We have added a HP air compressor to Snoopy's support equipment... grade E breathing air up to 4500PSI - happy to fill anyone's tanks for free. > > Also working on an experimental project: a wind turbine generator to help charge the sub's batteries. at this point it's only an assist to the charger, but hopefully we will eventually charge the whole bank from solar/wind generated power (abundant in all forms down in the Keys!). ~ Douglas S. > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 29 08:21:42 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:21:42 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh my, how I wish I had Shackleton ready to join you! I'm making good progress and could conceivably be back in the water just a week or two after the dates you mention, but that will only be the start of shakedown tests in very controlled conditions and nowhere near ready to do ocean dives. Like Alan said, I too have the fondest memories of the convention in Islamorada and your family's boundless hospitality. All the best, and please do send us all updates! Cheers, Alec On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hello gang, just a couple of quick updates... > > Snoopy will be on location for diving in Islamorada, FL October 17 through > 22 - anyone who can make it is welcome to attend / support / bring a sub > (we can davit launch). Sorry for the short notice, we've been working to > schedule around a bunch of other stuff. > > We have added a HP air compressor to Snoopy's support equipment... grade E > breathing air up to 4500PSI - happy to fill anyone's tanks for free. > > Also working on an experimental project: a wind turbine generator to help > charge the sub's batteries. at this point it's only an assist to the > charger, but hopefully we will eventually charge the whole bank from > solar/wind generated power (abundant in all forms down in the Keys!). ~ > Douglas S. > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 29 09:32:45 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:32:45 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug thanks again for opening your families beach home (VULCANIA) at Islamorada. The PSUB convention we had there and the dive support offered by you and your family were outstanding. Like Alec, I have my boat torn down making some mods so will not be able to bring my boat or make the trip. Rick Maxwell and I have fond memories of the trip including the 3000 mile tow of the R300 from Texas. I hope you would consider hosting a similar event next year. I for one would like to have the 2017 PSub convention in Islamorada, Florida. On my bucket list is to dive my boat on the seaward side of Vulcania! Best Regards Cliff On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hello gang, just a couple of quick updates... > > Snoopy will be on location for diving in Islamorada, FL October 17 through > 22 - anyone who can make it is welcome to attend / support / bring a sub > (we can davit launch). Sorry for the short notice, we've been working to > schedule around a bunch of other stuff. > > We have added a HP air compressor to Snoopy's support equipment... grade E > breathing air up to 4500PSI - happy to fill anyone's tanks for free. > > Also working on an experimental project: a wind turbine generator to help > charge the sub's batteries. at this point it's only an assist to the > charger, but hopefully we will eventually charge the whole bank from > solar/wind generated power (abundant in all forms down in the Keys!). ~ > Douglas S. > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 29 09:44:28 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:44:28 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] =?utf-8?q?Florida_Keys_Dates?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160929134428.963.qmail@server268.com> Very cool Douglas. That was an amazing time doing all that diving with everyone. I have found memories as well! I will not be able to make it this time either as I will be traveling the world doing business negotiations for the future of Pisces VI. Have a blast and dive safe! Thank you, Scott Waters > -------Original Message------- > From: Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates > Sent: Sep 28 '16 21:34 > > Hello gang, just a couple of quick updates... > > Snoopy will be on location for diving in Islamorada, FL October 17 > through 22 - anyone who can make it is welcome to attend / support / > bring a sub (we can davit launch). Sorry for the short notice, we've > been working to schedule around a bunch of other stuff. > > We have added a HP air compressor to Snoopy's support equipment... > grade E breathing air up to 4500PSI - happy to fill anyone's tanks for > free. > > Also working on an experimental project: a wind turbine generator to > help charge the sub's batteries. at this point it's only an assist to > the charger, but hopefully we will eventually charge the whole bank > from solar/wind generated power (abundant in all forms down in the > Keys!). ~ Douglas S. > ------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 29 21:47:21 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:47:21 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates In-Reply-To: <20160929134428.963.qmail@server268.com> References: <20160929134428.963.qmail@server268.com> Message-ID: Hey, if the interest is there to hold the next convention down in the Keys, I'm all for it. Because Jon has a place in the Keys as well as us it does seem like a good fit. I will definitely be updating on the experience - this will really be my first time diving Snoopy so we aren't planning on anything crazy, probably a lot of canal testing. ~ Doug On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 9:44 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Very cool Douglas. That was an amazing time doing all that diving with > everyone. I have found memories as well! I will not be able to make it this > time either as I will be traveling the world doing business negotiations > for the future of Pisces VI. Have a blast and dive safe! > > Thank you, > Scott Waters > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates > > Sent: Sep 28 '16 21:34 > > > > Hello gang, just a couple of quick updates... > > > > Snoopy will be on location for diving in Islamorada, FL October 17 > > through 22 - anyone who can make it is welcome to attend / support / > > bring a sub (we can davit launch). Sorry for the short notice, we've > > been working to schedule around a bunch of other stuff. > > > > We have added a HP air compressor to Snoopy's support equipment... > > grade E breathing air up to 4500PSI - happy to fill anyone's tanks for > > free. > > > > Also working on an experimental project: a wind turbine generator to > > help charge the sub's batteries. at this point it's only an assist to > > the charger, but hopefully we will eventually charge the whole bank > > from solar/wind generated power (abundant in all forms down in the > > Keys!). ~ Douglas S. > > ------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Sep 29 22:38:04 2016 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Scott Waters via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:38:04 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates Message-ID: I'd come to a florida keys convention again!Thanks,Scott Waters Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles Date: 09/29/2016 8:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates Hey, if the interest is there to hold the next convention down in the Keys, I'm all for it. Because Jon has a place in the Keys as well as us it does seem like a good fit.? I will definitely be updating on the experience - this will really be my first time diving Snoopy so we aren't planning on anything crazy, probably a lot of canal testing. ~ Doug? On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 9:44 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Very cool Douglas. That was an amazing time doing all that diving with everyone. I have found memories as well! I will not be able to make it this time either as I will be traveling the world doing business negotiations for the future of Pisces VI. Have a blast and dive safe! Thank you, Scott Waters >? -------Original Message------- >? From: Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles >? To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >? Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Florida Keys Dates >? Sent: Sep 28 '16 21:34 > >? Hello gang, just a couple of quick updates... > >? Snoopy will be on location for diving in Islamorada, FL October 17 >? through 22 - anyone who can make it is welcome to attend / support / >? bring a sub (we can davit launch). Sorry for the short notice, we've >? been working to schedule around a bunch of other stuff. > >? We have added a HP air compressor to Snoopy's support equipment... >? grade E breathing air up to 4500PSI - happy to fill anyone's tanks for >? free. > >? 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