From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 1 19:57:09 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 00:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure compensating References: <108871419.47885.1488416229387.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <108871419.47885.1488416229387@mail.yahoo.com> I have become a air cylinder compensator maniac, I have fitted a small double acting air cylinder to my oil filled LED light bar. ?It cost about 20 dollars and took 10 min to set up. ? Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 2 01:11:51 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 19:11:51 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure compensating In-Reply-To: <108871419.47885.1488416229387@mail.yahoo.com> References: <108871419.47885.1488416229387.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <108871419.47885.1488416229387@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78DED1CF-01F1-4949-A676-DE53DD16063E@yahoo.com> Hank, on some of the compensators I have seen, they have a rod that retracts as the oil level gets lower. They put marks or colour bands on the rod as an oil level indicator. Perhaps you could do something similar with the rods on your cylinders. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 2/03/2017, at 1:57 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I have become a air cylinder compensator maniac, I have fitted a small double acting air cylinder to my oil filled LED light bar. 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Name: Motor-Pod.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 13555 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 01:09:48 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (k6fee via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 22:09:48 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] motor pod Message-ID: Brian, What's the pitch and size of that prop? Keith T. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Date: 3/2/17 9:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: PSubs Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] motor pod Hi All,???????????????? Been working on one of two motor pods,? Still need to run electrical, waiting on penetrators to get anodized.? Had to get prop shaft made , with a spline on one end.?Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 01:15:16 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 01:15:16 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] motor pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fine looking screw that is. ~ Doug S. On 3/3/17, k6fee via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Brian, > What's the pitch and size of that prop? > Keith T. > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > Date: 3/2/17 9:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: > PSubs Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] motor pod > Hi All, Been working on one of two motor pods, Still need > to run electrical, waiting on penetrators to get anodized. Had to get prop > shaft made , with a spline on one end. Brian From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 01:58:18 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 06:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] motor pod In-Reply-To: <20170302212745.71AE0EAD@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20170302212745.71AE0EAD@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1498877546.1010071.1488524298030@mail.yahoo.com> Good progress Brian,there's a lot of work represented there.How did you come up with the propeller pitch & diameter?Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: PSubs Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 6:27 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] motor pod Hi All,???????????????? Been working on one of two motor pods,? Still need to run electrical, waiting on penetrators to get anodized.? Had to get prop shaft made , with a spline on one end.?Brian _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 06:31:00 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 11:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] motor pod In-Reply-To: <1498877546.1010071.1488524298030@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20170302212745.71AE0EAD@m0087792.ppops.net> <1498877546.1010071.1488524298030@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1743441155.253389.1488540660605@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,How do you open the pod? Is that the golf cart axel tube sticking out of the can? ?Truly?innovative and cost effective! ?that prop looks pricy though. ??Hank On Thursday, March 2, 2017 11:58 PM, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good progress Brian,there's a lot of work represented there.How did you come up with the propeller pitch & diameter?Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: PSubs Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 6:27 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] motor pod Hi All,???????????????? Been working on one of two motor pods,? Still need to run electrical, waiting on penetrators to get anodized.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 14:27:55 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 08:27:55 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula In-Reply-To: <2080164801.476114.1488562429213@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2080164801.476114.1488562429213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2080164801.476114.1488562429213@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on temperature. So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb. A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you halve the amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure you double the weight for a given volume. Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Okay, I am stumped! can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot. > Thank you > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 15:52:35 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 20:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula In-Reply-To: References: <2080164801.476114.1488562429213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2080164801.476114.1488562429213@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <849749699.625235.1488574355741@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,I need to know how much ?a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped up to 1,500 psi. ?And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is pumped up.Hank On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on temperature.So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb.A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you halvethe amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure youdouble the weight for a given volume.Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help.Alan Sent from my iPad On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, I am stumped! ?can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot.Thank youHank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 16:30:18 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 15:30:18 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula In-Reply-To: <849749699.625235.1488574355741@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2080164801.476114.1488562429213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2080164801.476114.1488562429213@mail.yahoo.com> <849749699.625235.1488574355741@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature. See attached derivation. Cliff On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alan, > I need to know how much a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped up > to 1,500 psi. And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is pumped > up. > Hank > > > On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Hank, > air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on > temperature. > So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb. > A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you > halve > the amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure you > double the weight for a given volume. > Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help. > Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Okay, I am stumped! can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight > of air at a particular psi per cubic foot. > Thank you > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Weight of gas.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 38281 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 16:32:16 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 21:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula In-Reply-To: References: <2080164801.476114.1488562429213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2080164801.476114.1488562429213@mail.yahoo.com> <849749699.625235.1488574355741@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1656782016.663482.1488576736542@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Cliff,That is a big help.Hank On Friday, March 3, 2017 2:30 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature.? See attached derivation. Cliff On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,I need to know how much ?a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped up to 1,500 psi.? And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is pumped up.Hank On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on temperature.So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb.A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you halvethe amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure youdouble the weight for a given volume.Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help.Alan Sent from my iPad On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, I am stumped! ?can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot.Thank youHank ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 17:23:46 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 11:23:46 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula In-Reply-To: References: <2080164801.476114.1488562429213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2080164801.476114.1488562429213@mail.yahoo.com> <849749699.625235.1488574355741@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1057C5E9-F056-4241-B7E7-9E6CC989D3AB@yahoo.com> Hank, firstly in the US they refer to scuba tanks by their filled volume ie. a 80 cu ft tank has 80 cu ft of air when filled. Whereas the rest of the World tends to refer to the internal volume of the tank in litres ie. a 10 litre dive tank. By 10.7 cubic feet are you referring to internal volume or filled capacity? Alan Sent from my iPad > On 4/03/2017, at 10:30 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature. See attached derivation. > > Cliff > >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Alan, >> I need to know how much a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped up to 1,500 psi. And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is pumped up. >> Hank >> >> >> On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> >> Hank, >> air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on temperature. >> So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb. >> A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you halve >> the amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure you >> double the weight for a given volume. >> Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help. >> Alan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Okay, I am stumped! can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot. >>> Thank you >>> Hank >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 17:46:50 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 22:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula In-Reply-To: <1057C5E9-F056-4241-B7E7-9E6CC989D3AB@yahoo.com> References: <2080164801.476114.1488562429213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2080164801.476114.1488562429213@mail.yahoo.com> <849749699.625235.1488574355741@mail.yahoo.com> <1057C5E9-F056-4241-B7E7-9E6CC989D3AB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1179705661.676506.1488581210930@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,Internal volume atmospheric pressure.Hank On Friday, March 3, 2017 3:24 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,?firstly in the US they refer to scuba tanks by their filled volume ie.a 80 cu ft tank has 80 cu ft of air when filled. Whereas the rest of theWorld tends to refer to the internal volume of the tank in litres ie. a?10 litre dive tank.?By 10.7 cubic feet are you referring to internal volume or filled capacity?Alan Sent from my iPad On 4/03/2017, at 10:30 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature.? See attached derivation. Cliff On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,I need to know how much ?a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped up to 1,500 psi.? And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is pumped up.Hank On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on temperature.So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb.A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you halvethe amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure youdouble the weight for a given volume.Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help.Alan Sent from my iPad On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, I am stumped! ?can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot.Thank youHank ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 18:03:02 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 12:03:02 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula In-Reply-To: <1179705661.676506.1488581210930@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2080164801.476114.1488562429213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2080164801.476114.1488562429213@mail.yahoo.com> <849749699.625235.1488574355741@mail.yahoo.com> <1057C5E9-F056-4241-B7E7-9E6CC989D3AB@yahoo.com> <1179705661.676506.1488581210930@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <291F53AD-584B-4217-93D1-C17CDF1F442D@yahoo.com> OK, I concur with Cliff. I divided the 1500psi by 14.7 to get the number of atmospheres, then x that x 10.7 ( number of cubic feet) then x .0807 (weight per cubic ft.) Alan Sent from my iPad > On 4/03/2017, at 11:46 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > Internal volume atmospheric pressure. > Hank > > > On Friday, March 3, 2017 3:24 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hank, > firstly in the US they refer to scuba tanks by their filled volume ie. > a 80 cu ft tank has 80 cu ft of air when filled. Whereas the rest of the > World tends to refer to the internal volume of the tank in litres ie. a > 10 litre dive tank. > By 10.7 cubic feet are you referring to internal volume or filled capacity? > Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 4/03/2017, at 10:30 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature. See attached derivation. >> >> Cliff >> >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Alan, >> I need to know how much a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped up to 1,500 psi. And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is pumped up. >> Hank >> >> >> On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> >> Hank, >> air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on temperature. >> So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb. >> A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you halve >> the amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure you >> double the weight for a given volume. >> Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help. >> Alan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Okay, I am stumped! can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot. >>> Thank you >>> Hank >>> ______________________________ _________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 3 22:10:07 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 03:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula In-Reply-To: References: <2080164801.476114.1488562429213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2080164801.476114.1488562429213@mail.yahoo.com> <849749699.625235.1488574355741@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1475512537.1645467.1488597007679@mail.yahoo.com> How can the air in a 10.7 cu ft tank weigh almost 85 lbs? I could believe .848 lbs...best check your decimal point...?Al Secor From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature.? See attached derivation. Cliff On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,I need to know how much ?a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped up to 1,500 psi.? And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is pumped up.Hank On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on temperature.So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb.A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you halvethe amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure youdouble the weight for a given volume.Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help.Alan Sent from my iPad On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, I am stumped! ?can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot.Thank youHank ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was a bit confusedby that earlier.An 80 cubic ft scuba tank has an internal volume of about .353 cu ft.Hank is talking about something 30 times that size at 10.7 cu ft.Alan From: Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula How can the air in a 10.7 cu ft tank weigh almost 85 lbs? I could believe .848 lbs...best check your decimal point...?Al Secor From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature.? See attached derivation. Cliff On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,I need to know how much ?a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped up to 1,500 psi.? And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is pumped up.Hank On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on temperature.So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb.A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you halvethe amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure youdouble the weight for a given volume.Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help.Alan Sent from my iPad On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, I am stumped! ?can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot.Thank youHank ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was a bit confusedby that earlier.An 80 cubic ft scuba tank has an internal volume of about .353 cu ft.Hank is talking about something 30 times that size at 10.7 cu ft.Alan From: Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula How can the air in a 10.7 cu ft tank weigh almost 85 lbs? I could believe .848 lbs...best check your decimal point...?Al Secor From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature.? See attached derivation. Cliff On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,I need to know how much ?a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped up to 1,500 psi.? And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is pumped up.Hank On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on temperature.So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 lb.A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you halvethe amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure youdouble the weight for a given volume.Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help.Alan Sent from my iPad On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Okay, I am stumped! ?can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot.Thank youHank ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 4 17:17:54 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 17:17:54 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can buy the k250 plans the website isn't working please help thanks my email is bowmanfrankie at gmail On Mar 3, 2017 10:11 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: formula (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: formula (Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 12:03:02 +1300 > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula > Message-ID: <291F53AD-584B-4217-93D1-C17CDF1F442D at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > OK, > I concur with Cliff. I divided the 1500psi by 14.7 to get the number > of atmospheres, then x that x 10.7 ( number of cubic feet) then x .0807 > (weight per cubic ft.) > Alan > Sent from my iPad > > > On 4/03/2017, at 11:46 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Alan, > > Internal volume atmospheric pressure. > > Hank > > > > > > On Friday, March 3, 2017 3:24 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hank, > > firstly in the US they refer to scuba tanks by their filled volume ie. > > a 80 cu ft tank has 80 cu ft of air when filled. Whereas the rest of the > > World tends to refer to the internal volume of the tank in litres ie. a > > 10 litre dive tank. > > By 10.7 cubic feet are you referring to internal volume or filled > capacity? > > Alan > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On 4/03/2017, at 10:30 AM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> > >> 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature. See attached derivation. > >> > >> Cliff > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Alan, > >> I need to know how much a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when pumped > up to 1,500 psi. And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it is > pumped up. > >> Hank > >> > >> > >> On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Hank, > >> air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on > temperature. > >> So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full is 6.45 > lb. > >> A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the pressure you > halve > >> the amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double the pressure > you > >> double the weight for a given volume. > >> Let us know what you are trying to calculate if this doesn't help. > >> Alan > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >>> > >>> Okay, I am stumped! can someone give me a formula to calculate the > weight of air at a particular psi per cubic foot. > >>> Thank you > >>> Hank > >>> ______________________________ _________________ > >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170304/e874ac74/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 03:10:07 +0000 (UTC) > From: Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula > Message-ID: <1475512537.1645467.1488597007679 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > How can the air in a 10.7 cu ft tank weigh almost 85 lbs? I could believe > .848 lbs...best check your decimal point...?Al Secor > > From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] formula > > 84.8 lbs assuming a 60F ambient temperature.? See attached derivation. > Cliff > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan,I need to know how much ?a 10.7 cubic foot tank will extra when > pumped up to 1,500 psi.? And how many cubic feet of air will I have when it > is pumped up.Hank > > On Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > > Hank,air weighs .0807 lbs per cubic foot approximately, depending on > temperature.So if you have an 80 cubic foot scuba tank the air weight full > is 6.45 lb.A scuba tank is 80 cubic ft at 3000 psi. If you halve the > pressure you halvethe amount of air & weight. In other words, if you double > the pressure youdouble the weight for a given volume.Let us know what you > are trying to calculate if this doesn't help.Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > On 4/03/2017, at 6:33 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > Okay, I am stumped! ?can someone give me a formula to calculate the weight > of air at a particular psi per cubic foot.Thank youHank > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170304/67cd20bb/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 5 > **************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 4 20:49:00 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 01:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot References: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All,I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber. ?My system operates from a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant. ?The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that actuates a 2,500psi ball valve. ?The system also incorporates two float switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test is complete. ?There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an air leak, the sub will surface. ?There is also an external pressure sensor that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth. ?Have I missed anything?Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 5 00:49:04 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 18:49:04 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot In-Reply-To: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775632105.1153898.1488678540056@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66849E1D-DD9B-4F1D-B9B4-5DCEFDB98072@yahoo.com> Hank, when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send air in to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensor to avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi All, > I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber. My system operates from a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant. The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that actuates a 2,500psi ball valve. The system also incorporates two float switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test is complete. There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an air leak, the sub will surface. There is also an external pressure sensor that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth. Have I missed anything? > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 5 06:27:29 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 11:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot In-Reply-To: <66849E1D-DD9B-4F1D-B9B4-5DCEFDB98072@yahoo.com> References: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775632105.1153898.1488678540056@mail.yahoo.com> <66849E1D-DD9B-4F1D-B9B4-5DCEFDB98072@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1415003113.1302294.1488713249321@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,Yes I have opted to exhaust my air?supply into the MBT's, if I put a timer on the solenoid valves to close them, it may not lift if the sub is in a snag of some sort. ?I want full lifting power. ?The solenoid valves will be piped into the existing air feed for the MBT needle valves. ?I will have the needle valves set to feed the air slowly. ?I expect Gamma to be on the surface before the air is spent. ?I am attaching a 5\16 nylon rope to the sub and lowering it 5 lbs heavy, so I could haul it up if I had to. ?If my timer fails and the sub does not surface, I can also simply lower the sub another 50 feet or so and the outside ?pressure valve will send power to the ?solenoid valves.Hank On Saturday, March 4, 2017 10:49 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send airin to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensorto avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber. ?My system operates from a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant. ?The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that actuates a 2,500psi ball valve. ?The system also incorporates two float switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test is complete. ?There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an air leak, the sub will surface. ?There is also an external pressure sensor that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth. ?Have I missed anything?Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Steve From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 11:17 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] building sonar transducer Hello all, I'm looking at building a sonar transducer to measure bottom depth for a small ROV project and would like to ask how I should go about pressure-proof/waterproof the system. I'm looking at building it with a Arduino Uno Rev 3 microcontroller and a Ultrasonic sensor module. -Ludwig Johanning _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 5 14:19:11 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 08:19:11 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] building sonar transducer In-Reply-To: <15a9f422ae8-6a3d-1082f@webprd-m88.mail.aol.com> References: <15a9f422ae8-6a3d-1082f@webprd-m88.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Ludwig, depth transducers in boats can shoot through up to 1/2" of fibreglass when mounted inside the hull. They can't shoot through metal or an air gap. You could encapsulate the transducer in the required thickness of fibreglass for the depth you are intending. I presume you could use the resin without the glass fibres. I believe their is less shrinkage with epoxy as apposed to polyester resin. Hopefully the shrinkage won't damage the transducer. Make sure there are no air bubbles in the resin or air gap under the transmitting face of the transducer. I would silicone over the wires going in to the resin & over the resin itself where the wires enter; as resin doesn't always seal on the wiring, and the compression of the wire casing can pull away from the resin. You could build a fibreglass enclosure as an alternative to encapsulating. Another alternative would be a metal housing with a fibreglass disk mounted in it like a view port. You would mount the transducer on the disk with epoxy. I haven't tried this myself but through hull mounts are a common practice. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad > On 6/03/2017, at 5:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I'm looking at building a sonar transducer to measure bottom depth for a small ROV project and would like to ask how I should go about pressure-proof/waterproof the system. > > I'm looking at building it with a Arduino Uno Rev 3 microcontroller and a Ultrasonic sensor module. > > -Ludwig Johanning > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ie. perhaps you will need quite a bit of water leaking in to actuate the flow switches. Which needs quite a bit of buoyancy, and since you are at test depth you have a whole lot of extra ambient pressure to compensate for. Ie. your 10.7cu ft cylinder at 1500PSI will hold air to displace about 1000cu ft on the surface, but only 35cu ft at 300m depth. If that's what you're using, I think you will be ok ;). Another consideration is that for the sake of a few minutes extra before the test, it may be worth a couple of minor considerations in case the auto-surfacing method fails. (ie. find a spot in the lake where there is a flat bottom at desired depth, leave a lifting ring attached/sticking up so that a cable could later be attached to it for lifting a fully flooded sub, etc.). Cheers, Steve On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:27 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Alan, > Yes I have opted to exhaust my air supply into the MBT's, if I put a > timer on the solenoid valves to close them, it may not lift if the sub is > in a snag of some sort. I want full lifting power. The solenoid valves > will be piped into the existing air feed for the MBT needle valves. I will > have the needle valves set to feed the air slowly. I expect Gamma to be on > the surface before the air is spent. I am attaching a 5\16 nylon rope to > the sub and lowering it 5 lbs heavy, so I could haul it up if I had to. If > my timer fails and the sub does not surface, I can also simply lower the > sub another 50 feet or so and the outside pressure valve will send power > to the solenoid valves. > Hank > > > On Saturday, March 4, 2017 10:49 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hank, > when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send air > in to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensor > to avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi All, > I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since > I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber. My system operates from > a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant. > The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that > actuates a 2,500psi ball valve. The system also incorporates two float > switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test > is complete. There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an > air leak, the sub will surface. There is also an external pressure sensor > that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth. > Have I missed anything? > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 5 18:14:08 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 23:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot In-Reply-To: References: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775632105.1153898.1488678540056@mail.yahoo.com> <66849E1D-DD9B-4F1D-B9B4-5DCEFDB98072@yahoo.com> <1415003113.1302294.1488713249321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <627153255.1550048.1488755648145@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve,Gamma has battery boxes in the bottom of the hull that conveniently create a water trap at the front and back of the hull. ?Less than a gallon of water will trip the float switch. ?The air supply actually comes from my external 122 cubic foot tank. ? The other tanks I was researching are for Elementary 3000. ?Unfortunately ?Slocan lake is very steep on the sides, so I have to test in much deeper water with the sub suspended. ?There are also sunken logs all over the lake, so I want to stay off the bottom. ?Funny I was thinking?today, I need to buy another roll of rope so I can have a clothesline effect. ?The rope will loop through the lifting eye and back to the surface. ?In a failure, I can pull a small cable down to the sub to hook it up, or get another sub out to connect it. ?Actually you have an idea here, it could have a cable held up with trawl floats that can be snagged easily with a grapple hook. ??Hank On Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:42 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank,A pretty basic thing, but do you have enough air supply?? Ie.?perhaps you will need quite a bit of water leaking in to actuate the flow switches.? Which needs quite a bit of buoyancy, and since you are at test depth you have a whole lot of extra ambient pressure to compensate for. Ie. your?10.7cu ft cylinder at 1500PSI will hold air to displace about 1000cu ft on?the surface, but only?35cu ft at 300m depth.? If that's what you're using, I think you will be ok ;). Another consideration is that for the sake of a few minutes extra before the test, it may be worth a?couple of minor considerations in case the auto-surfacing method fails.? (ie. find a spot in the lake where there is a flat bottom at desired depth,?leave a lifting ring attached/sticking up so that a cable could later be attached to it for lifting a fully flooded sub, etc.). Cheers,Steve On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:27 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Yes I have opted to exhaust my air?supply into the MBT's, if I put a timer on the solenoid valves to close them, it may not lift if the sub is in a snag of some sort.? I want full lifting power.? The solenoid valves will be piped into the existing air feed for the MBT needle valves.? I will have the needle valves set to feed the air slowly.? I expect Gamma to be on the surface before the air is spent.? I am attaching a 5\16 nylon rope to the sub and lowering it 5 lbs heavy, so I could haul it up if I had to.? If my timer fails and the sub does not surface, I can also simply lower the sub another 50 feet or so and the outside ?pressure valve will send power to the ?solenoid valves.Hank On Saturday, March 4, 2017 10:49 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send airin to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensorto avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber.? My system operates from a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant.? The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that actuates a 2,500psi ball valve.? The system also incorporates two float switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test is complete.? There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an air leak, the sub will surface.? There is also an external pressure sensor that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 5 18:39:49 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 10:39:49 +1100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot In-Reply-To: <627153255.1550048.1488755648145@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775632105.1153898.1488678540056@mail.yahoo.com> <66849E1D-DD9B-4F1D-B9B4-5DCEFDB98072@yahoo.com> <1415003113.1302294.1488713249321@mail.yahoo.com> <627153255.1550048.1488755648145@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Hank, Fair enough, I figured you would have it well in hand. The cable with trawl floats idea is a nice one! Not that it's likely, but it would be soul-destroying to lose the sub if a viewport or something failed. Cheers, Steve On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:14 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Steve, > Gamma has battery boxes in the bottom of the hull that conveniently create > a water trap at the front and back of the hull. Less than a gallon of > water will trip the float switch. The air supply actually comes from my > external 122 cubic foot tank. The other tanks I was researching are for > Elementary 3000. Unfortunately Slocan lake is very steep on the sides, so > I have to test in much deeper water with the sub suspended. There are also > sunken logs all over the lake, so I want to stay off the bottom. > Funny I was thinking today, I need to buy another roll of rope so I can > have a clothesline effect. The rope will loop through the lifting eye and > back to the surface. In a failure, I can pull a small cable down to the > sub to hook it up, or get another sub out to connect it. Actually you have > an idea here, it could have a cable held up with trawl floats that can be > snagged easily with a grapple hook. > Hank > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:42 PM, Stephen Fordyce via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi Hank, > A pretty basic thing, but do you have enough air supply? Ie. perhaps you > will need quite a bit of water leaking in to actuate the flow switches. > Which needs quite a bit of buoyancy, and since you are at test depth you > have a whole lot of extra ambient pressure to compensate for. Ie. > your 10.7cu ft cylinder at 1500PSI will hold air to displace about 1000cu > ft on the surface, but only 35cu ft at 300m depth. If that's what you're > using, I think you will be ok ;). > > Another consideration is that for the sake of a few minutes extra before > the test, it may be worth a couple of minor considerations in case the > auto-surfacing method fails. (ie. find a spot in the lake where there is a > flat bottom at desired depth, leave a lifting ring attached/sticking up so > that a cable could later be attached to it for lifting a fully flooded sub, > etc.). > > Cheers, > Steve > > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:27 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan, > Yes I have opted to exhaust my air supply into the MBT's, if I put a > timer on the solenoid valves to close them, it may not lift if the sub is > in a snag of some sort. I want full lifting power. The solenoid valves > will be piped into the existing air feed for the MBT needle valves. I will > have the needle valves set to feed the air slowly. I expect Gamma to be on > the surface before the air is spent. I am attaching a 5\16 nylon rope to > the sub and lowering it 5 lbs heavy, so I could haul it up if I had to. If > my timer fails and the sub does not surface, I can also simply lower the > sub another 50 feet or so and the outside pressure valve will send power > to the solenoid valves. > Hank > > > On Saturday, March 4, 2017 10:49 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles org > wrote: > > > Hank, > when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send air > in to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensor > to avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles org > wrote: > > Hi All, > I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since > I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber. My system operates from > a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant. > The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that > actuates a 2,500psi ball valve. The system also incorporates two float > switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test > is complete. There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an > air leak, the sub will surface. There is also an external pressure sensor > that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth. > Have I missed anything? > Hank > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 5 18:53:38 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 23:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot In-Reply-To: References: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775632105.1153898.1488678540056@mail.yahoo.com> <66849E1D-DD9B-4F1D-B9B4-5DCEFDB98072@yahoo.com> <1415003113.1302294.1488713249321@mail.yahoo.com> <627153255.1550048.1488755648145@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <168008904.1556586.1488758018608@mail.yahoo.com> Steve,I appreciate all ideas and concerns, it would be foolish to think I could not miss?something. ? I would be more concerned about loosing Gamma but ?I do have another sub that is ready to pressure test and retrieve it. ?I will remove the coms and HP compressor from Gamma so I can use them in to recover it, should I need to.Hank On Sunday, March 5, 2017 4:40 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank,Fair enough, I figured you would have it well in hand.???The cable with trawl floats idea is a nice one! Not that it's likely, but it would be soul-destroying to lose the sub if a viewport or something failed. Cheers,Steve On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:14 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Steve,Gamma has battery boxes in the bottom of the hull that conveniently create a water trap at the front and back of the hull.? Less than a gallon of water will trip the float switch.? The air supply actually comes from my external 122 cubic foot tank. ? The other tanks I was researching are for Elementary 3000.? Unfortunately ?Slocan lake is very steep on the sides, so I have to test in much deeper water with the sub suspended.? There are also sunken logs all over the lake, so I want to stay off the bottom. ?Funny I was thinking?today, I need to buy another roll of rope so I can have a clothesline effect.? The rope will loop through the lifting eye and back to the surface.? In a failure, I can pull a small cable down to the sub to hook it up, or get another sub out to connect it.? Actually you have an idea here, it could have a cable held up with trawl floats that can be snagged easily with a grapple hook. ??Hank On Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:42 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank,A pretty basic thing, but do you have enough air supply?? Ie.?perhaps you will need quite a bit of water leaking in to actuate the flow switches.? Which needs quite a bit of buoyancy, and since you are at test depth you have a whole lot of extra ambient pressure to compensate for. Ie. your?10.7cu ft cylinder at 1500PSI will hold air to displace about 1000cu ft on?the surface, but only?35cu ft at 300m depth.? If that's what you're using, I think you will be ok ;). Another consideration is that for the sake of a few minutes extra before the test, it may be worth a?couple of minor considerations in case the auto-surfacing method fails.? (ie. find a spot in the lake where there is a flat bottom at desired depth,?leave a lifting ring attached/sticking up so that a cable could later be attached to it for lifting a fully flooded sub, etc.). Cheers,Steve On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:27 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Yes I have opted to exhaust my air?supply into the MBT's, if I put a timer on the solenoid valves to close them, it may not lift if the sub is in a snag of some sort.? I want full lifting power.? The solenoid valves will be piped into the existing air feed for the MBT needle valves.? I will have the needle valves set to feed the air slowly.? I expect Gamma to be on the surface before the air is spent.? I am attaching a 5\16 nylon rope to the sub and lowering it 5 lbs heavy, so I could haul it up if I had to.? If my timer fails and the sub does not surface, I can also simply lower the sub another 50 feet or so and the outside ?pressure valve will send power to the ?solenoid valves.Hank On Saturday, March 4, 2017 10:49 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send airin to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensorto avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber.? My system operates from a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant.? The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that actuates a 2,500psi ball valve.? The system also incorporates two float switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test is complete.? There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an air leak, the sub will surface.? There is also an external pressure sensor that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth.? Have I missed anything?Hank ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 5 20:21:38 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 01:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot In-Reply-To: <627153255.1550048.1488755648145@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775632105.1153898.1488678540056@mail.yahoo.com> <66849E1D-DD9B-4F1D-B9B4-5DCEFDB98072@yahoo.com> <1415003113.1302294.1488713249321@mail.yahoo.com> <627153255.1550048.1488755648145@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1535766570.1750291.1488763298093@mail.yahoo.com> Hank, When we did the drop test on Persistence, we had a tether rope and another rope to release a drop weight so the sub return to thesurface. ?When the sub descended, it rotated on the way down causing the two ropes to become intertwined. ?It was impossible to?pull the release rope for the drop weight. ?Keep this in mind with the clothesline effect idea...??Al Secor From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot Hi Steve,Gamma has battery boxes in the bottom of the hull that conveniently create a water trap at the front and back of the hull. ?Less than a gallon of water will trip the float switch. ?The air supply actually comes from my external 122 cubic foot tank. ? The other tanks I was researching are for Elementary 3000. ?Unfortunately ?Slocan lake is very steep on the sides, so I have to test in much deeper water with the sub suspended. ?There are also sunken logs all over the lake, so I want to stay off the bottom. ?Funny I was thinking?today, I need to buy another roll of rope so I can have a clothesline effect. ?The rope will loop through the lifting eye and back to the surface. ?In a failure, I can pull a small cable down to the sub to hook it up, or get another sub out to connect it. ?Actually you have an idea here, it could have a cable held up with trawl floats that can be snagged easily with a grapple hook. ??Hank On Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:42 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank,A pretty basic thing, but do you have enough air supply?? Ie.?perhaps you will need quite a bit of water leaking in to actuate the flow switches.? Which needs quite a bit of buoyancy, and since you are at test depth you have a whole lot of extra ambient pressure to compensate for. Ie. your?10.7cu ft cylinder at 1500PSI will hold air to displace about 1000cu ft on?the surface, but only?35cu ft at 300m depth.? If that's what you're using, I think you will be ok ;). Another consideration is that for the sake of a few minutes extra before the test, it may be worth a?couple of minor considerations in case the auto-surfacing method fails.? (ie. find a spot in the lake where there is a flat bottom at desired depth,?leave a lifting ring attached/sticking up so that a cable could later be attached to it for lifting a fully flooded sub, etc.). Cheers,Steve On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:27 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Yes I have opted to exhaust my air?supply into the MBT's, if I put a timer on the solenoid valves to close them, it may not lift if the sub is in a snag of some sort.? I want full lifting power.? The solenoid valves will be piped into the existing air feed for the MBT needle valves.? I will have the needle valves set to feed the air slowly.? I expect Gamma to be on the surface before the air is spent.? I am attaching a 5\16 nylon rope to the sub and lowering it 5 lbs heavy, so I could haul it up if I had to.? If my timer fails and the sub does not surface, I can also simply lower the sub another 50 feet or so and the outside ?pressure valve will send power to the ?solenoid valves.Hank On Saturday, March 4, 2017 10:49 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send airin to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensorto avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber.? My system operates from a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant.? The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that actuates a 2,500psi ball valve.? The system also incorporates two float switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test is complete.? There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an air leak, the sub will surface.? There is also an external pressure sensor that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth.? 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The other tanks I was researching are for Elementary 3000. ?Unfortunately ?Slocan lake is very steep on the sides, so I have to test in much deeper water with the sub suspended. ?There are also sunken logs all over the lake, so I want to stay off the bottom. ?Funny I was thinking?today, I need to buy another roll of rope so I can have a clothesline effect. ?The rope will loop through the lifting eye and back to the surface. ?In a failure, I can pull a small cable down to the sub to hook it up, or get another sub out to connect it. ?Actually you have an idea here, it could have a cable held up with trawl floats that can be snagged easily with a grapple hook. ??Hank On Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:42 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank,A pretty basic thing, but do you have enough air supply?? Ie.?perhaps you will need quite a bit of water leaking in to actuate the flow switches.? Which needs quite a bit of buoyancy, and since you are at test depth you have a whole lot of extra ambient pressure to compensate for. Ie. your?10.7cu ft cylinder at 1500PSI will hold air to displace about 1000cu ft on?the surface, but only?35cu ft at 300m depth.? If that's what you're using, I think you will be ok ;). Another consideration is that for the sake of a few minutes extra before the test, it may be worth a?couple of minor considerations in case the auto-surfacing method fails.? (ie. find a spot in the lake where there is a flat bottom at desired depth,?leave a lifting ring attached/sticking up so that a cable could later be attached to it for lifting a fully flooded sub, etc.). Cheers,Steve On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:27 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Yes I have opted to exhaust my air?supply into the MBT's, if I put a timer on the solenoid valves to close them, it may not lift if the sub is in a snag of some sort.? I want full lifting power.? The solenoid valves will be piped into the existing air feed for the MBT needle valves.? I will have the needle valves set to feed the air slowly.? I expect Gamma to be on the surface before the air is spent.? I am attaching a 5\16 nylon rope to the sub and lowering it 5 lbs heavy, so I could haul it up if I had to.? If my timer fails and the sub does not surface, I can also simply lower the sub another 50 feet or so and the outside ?pressure valve will send power to the ?solenoid valves.Hank On Saturday, March 4, 2017 10:49 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send airin to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensorto avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber.? My system operates from a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant.? The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that actuates a 2,500psi ball valve.? The system also incorporates two float switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test is complete.? There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an air leak, the sub will surface.? There is also an external pressure sensor that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 5 22:00:37 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 03:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bathymetric map In-Reply-To: <20170305184353.71ADB8D2@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20170305184353.71ADB8D2@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <267439198.1662524.1488769237823@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,I had thought of a weight hanging below the sub, but there are also giant boulders and logs possibly. ?I was concerned that the weight could get wedged in the big boulders or logs.your going to think I am nuts, but I thought of a weight with a connector made of ice, in time the ice would melt and free the weight as a very last resort.Hank On Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:44 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,??????????????? ?Sounds like a scary prospect dropping your sub down there !? Maybe you could have a weight hanging from the bottom to hold the sub off the bottom if you're worried about debris, then have a release for it.? But it sounds like you have a good plan already.? I was talking to a fisherman friend of mine who's father rigged these traps where they had a type of metal that would corrode itself to the point where it would detach the trap from the weight holding it on the bottom ( actually I can't remember who the person was, but I remember the story)? .? But that might not work for you since you're in fresh water.? ?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bathymetric map Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 01:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi All,Does anyone know how I can find a bathymetric map or depth chart of Quesnel Lake BC Canada. ?The lake is 2,000 feet deep but I can not find a map.?Hank_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: bathymetric map (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 01:49:00 +0000 (UTC) > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bathymetric map > Message-ID: <492166894.1494319.1488764940633 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi All,Does anyone know how I can find a bathymetric map or depth chart of > Quesnel Lake BC Canada. ?The lake is 2,000 feet deep but I can not find a > map.?Hank > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170306/05a5cafb/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 18:43:53 -0800 > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bathymetric map > Message-ID: <20170305184353.71ADB8D2 at m0087792.ppops.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170305/4317d03c/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 22:05:09 -0500 > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] need help buying k250 plans > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > hey my name is Frank Bowman i live in St. Petersburg Florida i need to > purchase the k250 plans but cant get a hold of anyone or get responses on > email forum please help! Im trying to stay on top of my project and really > need the plans to make sure everything is safe and built well etc. i am > very excited after all these years to be financially ready to build please > help thanks again > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170305/bb7e6157/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 03:00:37 +0000 (UTC) > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bathymetric map > Message-ID: <267439198.1662524.1488769237823 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Brian,I had thought of a weight hanging below the sub, but there are also > giant boulders and logs possibly. ?I was concerned that the weight could > get wedged in the big boulders or logs.your going to think I am nuts, but I > thought of a weight with a connector made of ice, in time the ice would > melt and free the weight as a very last resort.Hank > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:44 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hank,??????????????? ?Sounds like a scary prospect dropping your sub down > there !? Maybe you could have a weight hanging from the bottom to hold the > sub off the bottom if you're worried about debris, then have a release for > it.? But it sounds like you have a good plan already.? I was talking to a > fisherman friend of mine who's father rigged these traps where they had a > type of metal that would corrode itself to the point where it would detach > the trap from the weight holding it on the bottom ( actually I can't > remember who the person was, but I remember the story)? .? But that might > not work for you since you're in fresh water.? ?Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion org> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bathymetric map > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 01:49:00 +0000 (UTC) > > Hi All,Does anyone know how I can find a bathymetric map or depth chart of > Quesnel Lake BC Canada. ?The lake is 2,000 feet deep but I can not find a > map.?Hank_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles > mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/ > mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170306/d48e39ee/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 22:17:38 -0500 > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] need help buying k250 plans > Message-ID: <15aa19f546e-6a3d-11ff1 at webprd-m88.mail.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey Frank, > > > I ran into the same problem when I bought my K-350 plans. Jon (who runs > the website?) told me that he's temporarily suspending sales on the website > which includes the sale of the plans. > > > -Ludwig > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: personal_submersibles > Sent: Sun, Mar 5, 2017 9:07 pm > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] need help buying k250 plans > > > > hey my name is Frank Bowman i live in St. Petersburg Florida i need to > purchase the k250 plans but cant get a hold of anyone or get responses on > email forum please help! Im trying to stay on top of my project and really > need the plans to make sure everything is safe and built well etc. i am > very excited after all these years to be financially ready to build please > help thanks again > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170305/730f946d/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 19:56:17 -0800 > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] bathymetric map > Message-ID: <20170305195617.71B0D5EC at m0087796.ppops.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170305/b0adb5f0/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 12 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Mar 6 00:35:33 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 19:35:33 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot In-Reply-To: <814873266.1609193.1488763929309@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775632105.1153898.1488678540056.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775632105.1153898.1488678540056@mail.yahoo.com> <66849E1D-DD9B-4F1D-B9B4-5DCEFDB98072@yahoo.com> <1415003113.1302294.1488713249321@mail.yahoo.com> <627153255.1550048.1488755648145@mail.yahoo.com> <1535766570.1750291.1488763298093@mail.yahoo.com> <814873266.1609193.1488763929309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, Sure sounds like you have a lot of redundancy. I think the thought of not being able to successfully retrieve your sub on the initial deep unmanned dive has got to go threw everyone's mind while doing it as it is a major loss of time and money hanging on the end of a rope that could be gone in a flash. I have thought a lot about it myself and plan on using one of my 5 ton lift bags attached just above the sub with the end of a dive umbilical lashed inside of it and tethered to the load line every 30' or so and attached to an air source in the boat as a last ditch effort. The only major concern is that it would be an uncontrolled accent and once it starts up, she will build up some speed and the bag may come out of the water and burp the air sending her back down. Another thing I thought of was putting two video cameras inside, one facing forward and one facing aft so if something started to leak, you would see it and be able to abort right away but then you would need a penitrator to pass the power outside the sub and in my case, over 600' of cable for it. Rick On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 3:32 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Al, > Yikes, never thought of that, and I know Gamma rotates when descending. > Hank > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 6:21 PM, Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hank, > > When we did the drop test on Persistence, we had a tether rope and another > rope to release a drop weight so the sub return to the > surface. When the sub descended, it rotated on the way down causing the > two ropes to become intertwined. It was impossible to > pull the release rope for the drop weight. Keep this in mind with the > clothesline effect idea... > > Al Secor > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 6:14 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot > > Hi Steve, > Gamma has battery boxes in the bottom of the hull that conveniently create > a water trap at the front and back of the hull. Less than a gallon of > water will trip the float switch. The air supply actually comes from my > external 122 cubic foot tank. The other tanks I was researching are for > Elementary 3000. Unfortunately Slocan lake is very steep on the sides, so > I have to test in much deeper water with the sub suspended. There are also > sunken logs all over the lake, so I want to stay off the bottom. > Funny I was thinking today, I need to buy another roll of rope so I can > have a clothesline effect. The rope will loop through the lifting eye and > back to the surface. In a failure, I can pull a small cable down to the > sub to hook it up, or get another sub out to connect it. Actually you have > an idea here, it could have a cable held up with trawl floats that can be > snagged easily with a grapple hook. > Hank > > > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:42 PM, Stephen Fordyce via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi Hank, > A pretty basic thing, but do you have enough air supply? Ie. perhaps you > will need quite a bit of water leaking in to actuate the flow switches. > Which needs quite a bit of buoyancy, and since you are at test depth you > have a whole lot of extra ambient pressure to compensate for. Ie. > your 10.7cu ft cylinder at 1500PSI will hold air to displace about 1000cu > ft on the surface, but only 35cu ft at 300m depth. If that's what you're > using, I think you will be ok ;). > > Another consideration is that for the sake of a few minutes extra before > the test, it may be worth a couple of minor considerations in case the > auto-surfacing method fails. (ie. find a spot in the lake where there is a > flat bottom at desired depth, leave a lifting ring attached/sticking up so > that a cable could later be attached to it for lifting a fully flooded sub, > etc.). > > Cheers, > Steve > > On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:27 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan, > Yes I have opted to exhaust my air supply into the MBT's, if I put a > timer on the solenoid valves to close them, it may not lift if the sub is > in a snag of some sort. I want full lifting power. The solenoid valves > will be piped into the existing air feed for the MBT needle valves. I will > have the needle valves set to feed the air slowly. I expect Gamma to be on > the surface before the air is spent. I am attaching a 5\16 nylon rope to > the sub and lowering it 5 lbs heavy, so I could haul it up if I had to. If > my timer fails and the sub does not surface, I can also simply lower the > sub another 50 feet or so and the outside pressure valve will send power > to the solenoid valves. > Hank > > > On Saturday, March 4, 2017 10:49 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles org > wrote: > > > Hank, > when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send air > in to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensor > to avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles org > wrote: > > Hi All, > I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since > I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber. My system operates from > a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant. > The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that > actuates a 2,500psi ball valve. The system also incorporates two float > switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test > is complete. There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an > air leak, the sub will surface. There is also an external pressure sensor > that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth. > Have I missed anything? > Hank > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am only testing to 600 feet because my projects for the summer are under 400 feet. ?I will test deeper when it is needed and I have a backup sub ready and tested. ?Your lucky to have lift bags, that is?excellent.Hank On Sunday, March 5, 2017 10:35 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, Sure sounds like you have a lot of redundancy. I think the thought of not being able to successfully retrieve your sub on the initial deep unmanned dive has got to go threw everyone's mind while doing it as it is a major loss of time and money hanging on the end of a rope that could be gone in a flash.I have thought a lot about it myself and plan on using one of my 5 ton lift bags attached just above the sub with the end of a dive umbilical lashed inside of it and tethered to the load line every 30' or so and attached to an air source in the boat as a last ditch effort. The only major concern is that it would be an uncontrolled accent and once it starts up, she will build up some speed and the bag may come out of the water and burp the air sending her back down.?Another thing I thought of was putting two video cameras inside, one facing forward and one facing aft so if something started to leak, you would see it and be able to abort right away but then you would need a penitrator to pass the power outside the sub and in my case, over 600' of cable for it. Rick ? On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 3:32 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Al,Yikes, never thought of that, and I know Gamma rotates when descending. ??Hank On Sunday, March 5, 2017 6:21 PM, Al Secor via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank, When we did the drop test on Persistence, we had a tether rope and another rope to release a drop weight so the sub return to thesurface.? When the sub descended, it rotated on the way down causing the two ropes to become intertwined.? It was impossible to?pull the release rope for the drop weight.? Keep this in mind with the clothesline effect idea...??Al Secor From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] auto pilot Hi Steve,Gamma has battery boxes in the bottom of the hull that conveniently create a water trap at the front and back of the hull.? Less than a gallon of water will trip the float switch.? The air supply actually comes from my external 122 cubic foot tank. ? The other tanks I was researching are for Elementary 3000.? Unfortunately ?Slocan lake is very steep on the sides, so I have to test in much deeper water with the sub suspended.? There are also sunken logs all over the lake, so I want to stay off the bottom. ?Funny I was thinking?today, I need to buy another roll of rope so I can have a clothesline effect.? The rope will loop through the lifting eye and back to the surface.? In a failure, I can pull a small cable down to the sub to hook it up, or get another sub out to connect it.? Actually you have an idea here, it could have a cable held up with trawl floats that can be snagged easily with a grapple hook. ??Hank On Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:42 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank,A pretty basic thing, but do you have enough air supply?? Ie.?perhaps you will need quite a bit of water leaking in to actuate the flow switches.? Which needs quite a bit of buoyancy, and since you are at test depth you have a whole lot of extra ambient pressure to compensate for. Ie. your?10.7cu ft cylinder at 1500PSI will hold air to displace about 1000cu ft on?the surface, but only?35cu ft at 300m depth.? If that's what you're using, I think you will be ok ;). Another consideration is that for the sake of a few minutes extra before the test, it may be worth a?couple of minor considerations in case the auto-surfacing method fails.? (ie. find a spot in the lake where there is a flat bottom at desired depth,?leave a lifting ring attached/sticking up so that a cable could later be attached to it for lifting a fully flooded sub, etc.). Cheers,Steve On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:27 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Yes I have opted to exhaust my air?supply into the MBT's, if I put a timer on the solenoid valves to close them, it may not lift if the sub is in a snag of some sort.? I want full lifting power.? The solenoid valves will be piped into the existing air feed for the MBT needle valves.? I will have the needle valves set to feed the air slowly.? I expect Gamma to be on the surface before the air is spent.? I am attaching a 5\16 nylon rope to the sub and lowering it 5 lbs heavy, so I could haul it up if I had to.? If my timer fails and the sub does not surface, I can also simply lower the sub another 50 feet or so and the outside ?pressure valve will send power to the ?solenoid valves.Hank On Saturday, March 4, 2017 10:49 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,when the valve opens, is it going to stay open & continually send airin to the ballast tanks? Also you mention an external pressure sensorto avoid going too deep; are you sending it down on a rope or autonomously.Alan Sent from my iPad On 5/03/2017, at 2:49 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I am in the middle of building a remote surfacing system for my subs since I seem to be to cheap to go to a pressure chamber.? My system operates from a dual industrial timer that powers two solenoid valves, one is redundant.? The solenoid valves take regulated air to operate an air cylinder that actuates a 2,500psi ball valve.? The system also incorporates two float switches, one fore and one aft in case water gets in before the one hr test is complete.? There is also a internal pressure sensor in case there is an air leak, the sub will surface.? There is also an external pressure sensor that will prevent the sub diving past the desired pressure test depth.? 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There is no significant rust on the metal and the dome looks new (no crazing/cracks/nicks etc.). While the dome is older I believe it would be fine in a de-rated application. >From what I know of the PC-1402 it never saw many cycles or significant depths. Hull Dome Hull Interface (7/16" thickness, A516 grade 70, 42" OD) Acrylic Dome (2" thickness, 40" ID) Battery Pods (see listing/photos/info. on Psubs site) $6,000.00 I am willing to assist in delivery. Contact me for details @ psub101 at indy.rr.com. Thanks, Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PC-14 Forward Hull.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 11707 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Dome Flange Underside2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 92360 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Vance -----Original Message----- From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tue, Mar 7, 2017 2:36 pm Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Project Parts For Sale Need a head start on a project? Want a "big" view port? Photos attached. I have decided to try to sell some of the sub parts I have laying around. I am happy with my K-250 project and I doubt I will try to build another sub using these parts. These parts are from the retrofit of the Perry PC-1402 when it was changed into the Vista Ranger SSTI. I have limited knowledge of their history but I believe them to have been made to the same design/standards as was the PC-1401 (1200 ft.). Structural/dimensional details can be found by referencing Busby's book for the PC-1401. since I purchased them they have been stored in temperature controlled environments. There is no significant rust on the metal and the dome looks new (no crazing/cracks/nicks etc.). While the dome is older I believe it would be fine in a de-rated application. >From what I know of the PC-1402 it never saw many cycles or significant depths. Hull Dome Hull Interface (7/16" thickness, A516 grade 70, 42" OD) Acrylic Dome (2" thickness, 40" ID) Battery Pods (see listing/photos/info. on Psubs site) $6,000.00 I am willing to assist in delivery. Contact me for details @ psub101 at indy.rr.com. Thanks, Steve_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 7 16:09:09 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:09:09 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Project Parts For Sale Message-ID: <20170307130909.71ACC795@m0087792.ppops.net> Steve, I'd love to get my hands on that dome ! But I'd have to build another sub !! Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Project Parts For Sale Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:36:08 -0500 Need a head start on a project? Want a "big" view port? Photos attached. I have decided to try to sell some of the sub parts I have laying around. I am happy with my K-250 project and I doubt I will try to build another sub using these parts. These parts are from the retrofit of the Perry PC-1402 when it was changed into the Vista Ranger SSTI. I have limited knowledge of their history but I believe them to have been made to the same design/standards as was the PC-1401 (1200 ft.). Structural/dimensional details can be found by referencing Busby's book for the PC-1401. since I purchased them they have been stored in temperature controlled environments. There is no significant rust on the metal and the dome looks new (no crazing/cracks/nicks etc.). While the dome is older I believe it would be fine in a de-rated application. >From what I know of the PC-1402 it never saw many cycles or significant depths. Hull Dome Hull Interface (7/16" thickness, A516 grade 70, 42" OD) Acrylic Dome (2" thickness, 40" ID) Battery Pods (see listing/photos/info. on Psubs site) $6,000.00 I am willing to assist in delivery. Contact me for details @ psub101 at indy.rr.com. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 8 13:45:50 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 13:45:50 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Project Parts For Sale In-Reply-To: <20170307130909.71ACC795@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <20170308184550.AN0V3.71776.root@cdptpa-web10> Yes, that is the problem : ) Thanks, Steve ---- Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Steve, I'd love to get my hands on that dome ! But I'd have to build another sub !! > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Project Parts For Sale > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:36:08 -0500 > > Need a head start on a project? Want a "big" view port? Photos attached. > > I have decided to try to sell some of the sub parts I have laying around. I am > happy with my K-250 project and I doubt I will try to build another sub using these parts. > > These parts are from the retrofit of the Perry PC-1402 when it was changed into > the Vista Ranger SSTI. > > I have limited knowledge of their history but I believe them to have been made to the > same design/standards as was the PC-1401 (1200 ft.). Structural/dimensional details can be > found by referencing Busby's book for the PC-1401. > > since I purchased them they have been stored in temperature controlled > environments. There is no significant rust on the metal and the dome looks new > (no crazing/cracks/nicks etc.). While the dome is older I believe it would be fine in a de-rated application. > From what I know of the PC-1402 it never saw many cycles or significant depths. > > Hull Dome Hull Interface (7/16" thickness, A516 grade 70, 42" OD) > Acrylic Dome (2" thickness, 40" ID) > Battery Pods (see listing/photos/info. on Psubs site) > > $6,000.00 > > I am willing to assist in delivery. Contact me for details @ psub101 at indy.rr.com. > > > Thanks, > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 9 02:12:13 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 20:12:13 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Light test Message-ID: <1A4E04A6-B1EA-49B1-8DD4-FC4AD3AD0CE4@yahoo.com> Tested my 80W LED light in a housing, to see how hot it got in & out of the water. The good news was it didn't get warm at all after running at 70W for 25 minutes in the kitchen sink. Out of the water it hit 120F (49C) in 7 minutes. The LED has a maximum temperature rating of 60C so was keeping back a bit from that. I dropped the current down & ran it out of the water at 33W & 25W but it climbed to 125F in 20 minutes for 33W & 15 minutes for the 25W. I am using a cast acrylic 8mm thick lens, & this didn't get hot either in air or water. Using acrylic instead of glass is saving me $90-. Am making a few minor housing design adjustments for the final iteration. Have also ordered a dozen of these 50 V 350 mA constant current regulator & LED drivers. http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NSI50350AD They are TINY; about 1/4" square & you run them in series to get the desired amperage. They have a wide input voltage & would be great for a 36V system. Alan Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 9 03:54:15 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 19:54:15 +1100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Light test In-Reply-To: <1A4E04A6-B1EA-49B1-8DD4-FC4AD3AD0CE4@yahoo.com> References: <1A4E04A6-B1EA-49B1-8DD4-FC4AD3AD0CE4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, I'm glad your lights are going well! There are a couple of things I may be able to contribute after several iterations of designing the circuit for my TFM caving/diving helmet lights. *1. Linear vs switching LED drivers. * I looked at the datasheet for your LED driver chip and it appears to be a linear regulator - this in general terms means it creates a variable resistance to get the output current/voltage right, and as such can create a lot of heat which may be wasteful. Ie. if you have a 12V supply and your LED needs 4V, 67% of the power will be lost in the driver! But if you have a 12V supply and your LED chain needs 11.5V, then it's quite efficient. They are simple and easy, and small as you point out, with no external components. A switching driver uses very fast (MHz) PWM along with an external capacitor/inductor to drop and smooth out the voltage, and is ~90+% efficient over a big range of voltage drops. This means it creates much less heat and saves power. I changed to switching drivers for my LEDS (input 7-8V, output 3-4V) and noticed a huge difference in heat and efficiency. Just something to be aware of if you run into heat or runtime problems. *2. Acrylic windows* I have used lasercut acrylic (6mm) in my caving lights (which I've had up to 80degC according to the internal temp sensor. Lasercutting allows me to get an oblong rectangular shape with holts for screws. The lights have a full high temperature burn test out of the water and then multiple dives to 100m in my pressure pot, with no acrylic failures to date. Cheers, Steve Fordyce On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Tested my 80W LED light in a housing, to see how hot it got in & out > of the water. > The good news was it didn't get warm at all after running at 70W for > 25 minutes in the kitchen sink. Out of the water it hit 120F (49C) in 7 > minutes. The LED has a maximum temperature rating of 60C so was keeping > back a bit from that. > I dropped the current down & ran it out of the water at 33W & 25W but it > climbed > to 125F in 20 minutes for 33W & 15 minutes for the 25W. > I am using a cast acrylic 8mm thick lens, & this didn't get hot either in > air > or water. Using acrylic instead of glass is saving me $90-. > Am making a few minor housing design adjustments for the final iteration. > Have also ordered a dozen of these 50 V 350 mA constant current regulator & > LED drivers. > > http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NSI50350AD > They are TINY; about 1/4" square & you run them in series to get the > desired > amperage. They have a wide input voltage & would be great for a 36V system. > Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 9 04:40:49 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 22:40:49 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Light test In-Reply-To: References: <1A4E04A6-B1EA-49B1-8DD4-FC4AD3AD0CE4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7D86078F-55CA-4510-B8F7-707FE687F79F@yahoo.com> Thanks Steve, that's great to know about the heat on the acrylic lens & your testing. At the moment I am driving my lights with a buck / boost constant current driver that has a 60V input for my 48V system. It took a lot of work tracking down a unit that was suitable for 48V. A friend put me on to those linear regulators & is trying to convince me to go with them. I will keep your information in mind should I need to argue my way out of them. They would be good for a Sub on a 36 V system, as most of the high power LEDs are 36V. Have a look at the flip chip LED I'm using if you haven't already seen it. Smaller than the usual cob LEDs. http://www.tyf-led.com/downloadRepository/82befdc2-15b3-4ff0-a553-6f53a4d8e404.pdf Got mine with pigtails on for $6:50- each. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad > On 9/03/2017, at 9:54 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Alan, > I'm glad your lights are going well! There are a couple of things I may be able to contribute after several iterations of designing the circuit for my TFM caving/diving helmet lights. > > 1. Linear vs switching LED drivers. > I looked at the datasheet for your LED driver chip and it appears to be a linear regulator - this in general terms means it creates a variable resistance to get the output current/voltage right, and as such can create a lot of heat which may be wasteful. Ie. if you have a 12V supply and your LED needs 4V, 67% of the power will be lost in the driver! But if you have a 12V supply and your LED chain needs 11.5V, then it's quite efficient. They are simple and easy, and small as you point out, with no external components. > > A switching driver uses very fast (MHz) PWM along with an external capacitor/inductor to drop and smooth out the voltage, and is ~90+% efficient over a big range of voltage drops. This means it creates much less heat and saves power. > > I changed to switching drivers for my LEDS (input 7-8V, output 3-4V) and noticed a huge difference in heat and efficiency. Just something to be aware of if you run into heat or runtime problems. > > 2. Acrylic windows > I have used lasercut acrylic (6mm) in my caving lights (which I've had up to 80degC according to the internal temp sensor. Lasercutting allows me to get an oblong rectangular shape with holts for screws. The lights have a full high temperature burn test out of the water and then multiple dives to 100m in my pressure pot, with no acrylic failures to date. > > Cheers, > Steve Fordyce > >> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Tested my 80W LED light in a housing, to see how hot it got in & out >> of the water. >> The good news was it didn't get warm at all after running at 70W for >> 25 minutes in the kitchen sink. Out of the water it hit 120F (49C) in 7 >> minutes. The LED has a maximum temperature rating of 60C so was keeping >> back a bit from that. >> I dropped the current down & ran it out of the water at 33W & 25W but it climbed >> to 125F in 20 minutes for 33W & 15 minutes for the 25W. >> I am using a cast acrylic 8mm thick lens, & this didn't get hot either in air >> or water. Using acrylic instead of glass is saving me $90-. >> Am making a few minor housing design adjustments for the final iteration. >> Have also ordered a dozen of these 50 V 350 mA constant current regulator & >> LED drivers. >> >> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NSI50350AD >> They are TINY; about 1/4" square & you run them in series to get the desired >> amperage. They have a wide input voltage & would be great for a 36V system. >> Alan >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Steve On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Steve, > that's great to know about the heat on the acrylic lens & your testing. > At the moment I am driving my lights with a buck / boost constant current > driver > that has a 60V input for my 48V system. It took a lot of work tracking > down a > unit that was suitable for 48V. > A friend put me on to those linear regulators & is trying to convince me > to go > with them. I will keep your information in mind should I need to argue my > way > out of them. They would be good for a Sub on a 36 V system, as most of the > high power LEDs are 36V. > Have a look at the flip chip LED I'm using if you haven't already seen it. > Smaller than the usual cob LEDs. > http://www.tyf-led.com/downloadRepository/82befdc2- > 15b3-4ff0-a553-6f53a4d8e404.pdf > Got mine with pigtails on for $6:50- each. > Cheers Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 9/03/2017, at 9:54 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Alan, > I'm glad your lights are going well! There are a couple of things I may > be able to contribute after several iterations of designing the circuit for > my TFM caving/diving helmet lights. > > *1. Linear vs switching LED drivers. * > I looked at the datasheet for your LED driver chip and it appears to be a > linear regulator - this in general terms means it creates a variable > resistance to get the output current/voltage right, and as such can create > a lot of heat which may be wasteful. Ie. if you have a 12V supply and your > LED needs 4V, 67% of the power will be lost in the driver! But if you have > a 12V supply and your LED chain needs 11.5V, then it's quite efficient. > They are simple and easy, and small as you point out, with no external > components. > > A switching driver uses very fast (MHz) PWM along with an external > capacitor/inductor to drop and smooth out the voltage, and is ~90+% > efficient over a big range of voltage drops. This means it creates much > less heat and saves power. > > I changed to switching drivers for my LEDS (input 7-8V, output 3-4V) and > noticed a huge difference in heat and efficiency. Just something to be > aware of if you run into heat or runtime problems. > > *2. Acrylic windows* > I have used lasercut acrylic (6mm) in my caving lights (which I've had up > to 80degC according to the internal temp sensor. Lasercutting allows me to > get an oblong rectangular shape with holts for screws. The lights have a > full high temperature burn test out of the water and then multiple dives to > 100m in my pressure pot, with no acrylic failures to date. > > Cheers, > Steve Fordyce > > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Tested my 80W LED light in a housing, to see how hot it got in & out >> of the water. >> The good news was it didn't get warm at all after running at 70W for >> 25 minutes in the kitchen sink. Out of the water it hit 120F (49C) in 7 >> minutes. The LED has a maximum temperature rating of 60C so was keeping >> back a bit from that. >> I dropped the current down & ran it out of the water at 33W & 25W but it >> climbed >> to 125F in 20 minutes for 33W & 15 minutes for the 25W. >> I am using a cast acrylic 8mm thick lens, & this didn't get hot either in >> air >> or water. Using acrylic instead of glass is saving me $90-. >> Am making a few minor housing design adjustments for the final iteration. >> Have also ordered a dozen of these 50 V 350 mA constant current regulator >> & >> LED drivers. >> >> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NSI50350AD >> They are TINY; about 1/4" square & you run them in series to get the >> desired >> amperage. They have a wide input voltage & would be great for a 36V >> system. >> Alan >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 10 01:19:07 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 22:19:07 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] support boat In-Reply-To: m5dYcvEBYDJ2xm5dacOqcp References: <363729778.2359155.1489094670671.ref@mail.yahoo.com> m5dYcvEBYDJ2xm5dacOqcp Message-ID: <001301d29966$3a8256a0$af8703e0$@telus.net> Not bad, Hank. This "diver below float" of yours will work well as a safety-diver platform as well as submariner lifeboat. Perhaps your wife could enjoy a day on the water while you explore the depths? Clever. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 1:25 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] support boat I bought myself an inflatable boat that fits in front of Gamma on the trailer. I have decked in the trailer so the inflatable can sit on a good surface and also it will be nice to walk on a deck when I launch the sub. I plan to tow the inflatable behind Gamma with a diver below flag on it. The boat will be my new buoy marker. If my battery power is to low, I can pull gamma with up to 15 hp on the boat. I am going to try to get by with a small light 3 hp for now. First test run Wednesday fingers crossed. Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 10 01:35:49 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:35:49 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Light test In-Reply-To: References: <1A4E04A6-B1EA-49B1-8DD4-FC4AD3AD0CE4@yahoo.com> <7D86078F-55CA-4510-B8F7-707FE687F79F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39CFC4D9-2C5B-493B-9FAA-7BBC17153FD6@yahoo.com> Hi Steve, here's my contacts email if you get interested. kevin at tyf-led.com Great person to deal with, & if you say "sample" you can buy small quantities. I bought mine initially without the pigtails but got them to solder them on for 50c each, as they needed a lot higher watt soldering iron than I had, & also I didn't want to overheat & destroy any in the soldering process. It's pouring down in Auckland & the Warriors are taking on your Melbourne storm in half an hour. Going to be a messy game. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 10/03/2017, at 4:22 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks Alan, your LED flip chip is quite interesting - my research has only been into much smaller LEDs (CREE XML2) and it's cool to see such a big one! Pretty hard to argue with $6.50 too. > > Cheers, > Steve > >> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Thanks Steve, >> that's great to know about the heat on the acrylic lens & your testing. >> At the moment I am driving my lights with a buck / boost constant current driver >> that has a 60V input for my 48V system. It took a lot of work tracking down a >> unit that was suitable for 48V. >> A friend put me on to those linear regulators & is trying to convince me to go >> with them. I will keep your information in mind should I need to argue my way >> out of them. They would be good for a Sub on a 36 V system, as most of the >> high power LEDs are 36V. >> Have a look at the flip chip LED I'm using if you haven't already seen it. >> Smaller than the usual cob LEDs. >> http://www.tyf-led.com/downloadRepository/82befdc2-15b3-4ff0-a553-6f53a4d8e404.pdf >> Got mine with pigtails on for $6:50- each. >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 9/03/2017, at 9:54 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alan, >>> I'm glad your lights are going well! There are a couple of things I may be able to contribute after several iterations of designing the circuit for my TFM caving/diving helmet lights. >>> >>> 1. Linear vs switching LED drivers. >>> I looked at the datasheet for your LED driver chip and it appears to be a linear regulator - this in general terms means it creates a variable resistance to get the output current/voltage right, and as such can create a lot of heat which may be wasteful. Ie. if you have a 12V supply and your LED needs 4V, 67% of the power will be lost in the driver! But if you have a 12V supply and your LED chain needs 11.5V, then it's quite efficient. They are simple and easy, and small as you point out, with no external components. >>> >>> A switching driver uses very fast (MHz) PWM along with an external capacitor/inductor to drop and smooth out the voltage, and is ~90+% efficient over a big range of voltage drops. This means it creates much less heat and saves power. >>> >>> I changed to switching drivers for my LEDS (input 7-8V, output 3-4V) and noticed a huge difference in heat and efficiency. Just something to be aware of if you run into heat or runtime problems. >>> >>> 2. Acrylic windows >>> I have used lasercut acrylic (6mm) in my caving lights (which I've had up to 80degC according to the internal temp sensor. Lasercutting allows me to get an oblong rectangular shape with holts for screws. The lights have a full high temperature burn test out of the water and then multiple dives to 100m in my pressure pot, with no acrylic failures to date. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Steve Fordyce >>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Tested my 80W LED light in a housing, to see how hot it got in & out >>>> of the water. >>>> The good news was it didn't get warm at all after running at 70W for >>>> 25 minutes in the kitchen sink. Out of the water it hit 120F (49C) in 7 >>>> minutes. The LED has a maximum temperature rating of 60C so was keeping >>>> back a bit from that. >>>> I dropped the current down & ran it out of the water at 33W & 25W but it climbed >>>> to 125F in 20 minutes for 33W & 15 minutes for the 25W. >>>> I am using a cast acrylic 8mm thick lens, & this didn't get hot either in air >>>> or water. Using acrylic instead of glass is saving me $90-. >>>> Am making a few minor housing design adjustments for the final iteration. >>>> Have also ordered a dozen of these 50 V 350 mA constant current regulator & >>>> LED drivers. >>>> >>>> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NSI50350AD >>>> They are TINY; about 1/4" square & you run them in series to get the desired >>>> amperage. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 10 01:48:26 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:48:26 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Light test In-Reply-To: <20170309215035.71ABD90D@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20170309215035.71ABD90D@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <8953F88A-2100-4457-B369-0ED8DAB8568C@yahoo.com> Brian, will keep you in mind. I am making up 8 initially. Still working on how I'll pot the wiring going in. I have been using the West system epoxy & adding hardener to it as I see fit. I definitely don't trust resin alone to seal, so I'm going over the top of the resin with silicone or some sort of synthetic rubber. I will be asking advice on that one. I feel you need a flexible outer coating that sticks well to the wire jacket & compresses with it under pressure. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 10/03/2017, at 6:50 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, If you make an extra one of your LED lights I would be more than happy to buy it off you ! > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Light test > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 22:40:49 +1300 > > Thanks Steve, > that's great to know about the heat on the acrylic lens & your testing. > At the moment I am driving my lights with a buck / boost constant current driver > that has a 60V input for my 48V system. It took a lot of work tracking down a > unit that was suitable for 48V. > A friend put me on to those linear regulators & is trying to convince me to go > with them. I will keep your information in mind should I need to argue my way > out of them. They would be good for a Sub on a 36 V system, as most of the > high power LEDs are 36V. > Have a look at the flip chip LED I'm using if you haven't already seen it. > Smaller than the usual cob LEDs. > http://www.tyf-led.com/downloadRepository/82befdc2-15b3-4ff0-a553-6f53a4d8e404.pdf > Got mine with pigtails on for $6:50- each. > Cheers Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 9/03/2017, at 9:54 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Alan, > I'm glad your lights are going well! There are a couple of things I may be able to contribute after several iterations of designing the circuit for my TFM caving/diving helmet lights. > > 1. Linear vs switching LED drivers. > I looked at the datasheet for your LED driver chip and it appears to be a linear regulator - this in general terms means it creates a variable resistance to get the output current/voltage right, and as such can create a lot of heat which may be wasteful. Ie. if you have a 12V supply and your LED needs 4V, 67% of the power will be lost in the driver! But if you have a 12V supply and your LED chain needs 11.5V, then it's quite efficient. They are simple and easy, and small as you point out, with no external components. > > A switching driver uses very fast (MHz) PWM along with an external capacitor/inductor to drop and smooth out the voltage, and is ~90+% efficient over a big range of voltage drops. This means it creates much less heat and saves power. > > I changed to switching drivers for my LEDS (input 7-8V, output 3-4V) and noticed a huge difference in heat and efficiency. Just something to be aware of if you run into heat or runtime problems. > > 2. Acrylic windows > I have used lasercut acrylic (6mm) in my caving lights (which I've had up to 80degC according to the internal temp sensor. Lasercutting allows me to get an oblong rectangular shape with holts for screws. The lights have a full high temperature burn test out of the water and then multiple dives to 100m in my pressure pot, with no acrylic failures to date. > > Cheers, > Steve Fordyce > > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Tested my 80W LED light in a housing, to see how hot it got in & out > of the water. > The good news was it didn't get warm at all after running at 70W for > 25 minutes in the kitchen sink. Out of the water it hit 120F (49C) in 7 > minutes. The LED has a maximum temperature rating of 60C so was keeping > back a bit from that. > I dropped the current down & ran it out of the water at 33W & 25W but it climbed > to 125F in 20 minutes for 33W & 15 minutes for the 25W. > I am using a cast acrylic 8mm thick lens, & this didn't get hot either in air > or water. Using acrylic instead of glass is saving me $90-. > Am making a few minor housing design adjustments for the final iteration. > Have also ordered a dozen of these 50 V 350 mA constant current regulator & > LED drivers. > > http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NSI50350AD > They are TINY; about 1/4" square & you run them in series to get the desired > amperage. 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Nevertheless you can find many interesting information's there. http://seahorse-kd.com/ Best regards Beram Mahmoud --- Dipl.-Ing.(FH); M.A. Mobile: +49 (0) 16094813279 Email: beram.m at gmx.de -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 10 11:23:16 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:23:16 +0100 (MET) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse KD In-Reply-To: <006001d299af$b5050fa0$1f0f2ee0$@gmx.de> References: <006001d299af$b5050fa0$1f0f2ee0$@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1489162996637.730094.6af5eec5ea5e2fb97ef877561353425cb99d8cfa@spica.telekom.de> I no belive that they have the submarine really under operation. The last picture are 7 years old showing a sub resting on a parking lot in Germany (!) since 15-20 years. The electronic and sonars are from the early 80ies, the batteries and the arcilc dome offline since years. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse KD Datum: 2017-03-10T16:08:53+0100 Von: "Beram Mahmoud via Personal_Submersibles" An: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Dear Everyone, as someone who is interested in that topic since many years? I have just found an interesting homepage concerning the Bruker Seahorse KD Submarine. I have also called the company and they informed me that the submarine is NOT FOR SALE. Nevertheless you can find many interesting information?s there. http://seahorse-kd.com/ Best regards Beram Mahmoud --- Dipl.-Ing.(FH); M.A. Mobile: +49 (0) 16094813279 Email: beram.m at gmx.de ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For my k250 all components are ordered I noticed that there are some illustrations missing from the plans that refer to hydroform frames for and aft is this referring to the fabrication molds for the main fiberglass blalast, does anyone have these On Mar 10, 2017 11:24 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: LED Light test (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. ja: 1 (James Burger via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Seahorse KD (Beram Mahmoud via Personal_Submersibles) > 4. Re: Seahorse KD (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:48:26 +1300 > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Light test > Message-ID: <8953F88A-2100-4457-B369-0ED8DAB8568C at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Brian, > will keep you in mind. I am making up 8 initially. > Still working on how I'll pot the wiring going in. > I have been using the West system epoxy & adding hardener to it as I see > fit. > I definitely don't trust resin alone to seal, so I'm going over the top of > the > resin with silicone or some sort of synthetic rubber. I will be asking > advice > on that one. I feel you need a flexible outer coating that sticks well to > the > wire jacket & compresses with it under pressure. > Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 10/03/2017, at 6:50 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Alan, If you make an extra one of your LED lights I would be more > than happy to buy it off you ! > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Light test > > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 22:40:49 +1300 > > > > Thanks Steve, > > that's great to know about the heat on the acrylic lens & your testing. > > At the moment I am driving my lights with a buck / boost constant > current driver > > that has a 60V input for my 48V system. It took a lot of work tracking > down a > > unit that was suitable for 48V. > > A friend put me on to those linear regulators & is trying to convince me > to go > > with them. I will keep your information in mind should I need to argue > my way > > out of them. They would be good for a Sub on a 36 V system, as most of > the > > high power LEDs are 36V. > > Have a look at the flip chip LED I'm using if you haven't already seen > it. > > Smaller than the usual cob LEDs. > > http://www.tyf-led.com/downloadRepository/82befdc2- > 15b3-4ff0-a553-6f53a4d8e404.pdf > > Got mine with pigtails on for $6:50- each. > > Cheers Alan > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 9/03/2017, at 9:54 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Alan, > > I'm glad your lights are going well! There are a couple of things I may > be able to contribute after several iterations of designing the circuit for > my TFM caving/diving helmet lights. > > > > 1. Linear vs switching LED drivers. > > I looked at the datasheet for your LED driver chip and it appears to be > a linear regulator - this in general terms means it creates a variable > resistance to get the output current/voltage right, and as such can create > a lot of heat which may be wasteful. Ie. if you have a 12V supply and your > LED needs 4V, 67% of the power will be lost in the driver! But if you have > a 12V supply and your LED chain needs 11.5V, then it's quite efficient. > They are simple and easy, and small as you point out, with no external > components. > > > > A switching driver uses very fast (MHz) PWM along with an external > capacitor/inductor to drop and smooth out the voltage, and is ~90+% > efficient over a big range of voltage drops. This means it creates much > less heat and saves power. > > > > I changed to switching drivers for my LEDS (input 7-8V, output 3-4V) and > noticed a huge difference in heat and efficiency. Just something to be > aware of if you run into heat or runtime problems. > > > > 2. Acrylic windows > > I have used lasercut acrylic (6mm) in my caving lights (which I've had > up to 80degC according to the internal temp sensor. Lasercutting allows me > to get an oblong rectangular shape with holts for screws. The lights have > a full high temperature burn test out of the water and then multiple dives > to 100m in my pressure pot, with no acrylic failures to date. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve Fordyce > > > > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Tested my 80W LED light in a housing, to see how hot it got in & out > > of the water. > > The good news was it didn't get warm at all after running at 70W for > > 25 minutes in the kitchen sink. Out of the water it hit 120F (49C) in 7 > > minutes. The LED has a maximum temperature rating of 60C so was keeping > > back a bit from that. > > I dropped the current down & ran it out of the water at 33W & 25W but it > climbed > > to 125F in 20 minutes for 33W & 15 minutes for the 25W. > > I am using a cast acrylic 8mm thick lens, & this didn't get hot either > in air > > or water. Using acrylic instead of glass is saving me $90-. > > Am making a few minor housing design adjustments for the final iteration. > > Have also ordered a dozen of these 50 V 350 mA constant current > regulator & > > LED drivers. > > > > http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NSI50350AD > > They are TINY; about 1/4" square & you run them in series to get the > desired > > amperage. They have a wide input voltage & would be great for a 36V > system. > > Alan > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ > listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170310/a652887b/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:35:46 -0400 > From: James Burger via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "pendee" , "perdoc10" > , "perdoc10" , > "PEREZMALKOY" > , "personal submersibles" > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ja: 1 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > http://black-matters.com/vsrimzsi.php?James_Burger > > > > Sent from my iPad > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170310/9b781928/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:05:06 +0100 > From: Beram Mahmoud via Personal_Submersibles > > To: > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse KD > Message-ID: <006001d299af$b5050fa0$1f0f2ee0$@gmx.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Everyone, > > > > as someone who is interested in that topic since many years. > I have just found an interesting homepage concerning the Bruker Seahorse KD > Submarine. > > I have also called the company and they informed me that the submarine is > NOT FOR SALE. > > Nevertheless you can find many interesting information's there. > > > > http://seahorse-kd.com/ > > > > Best regards > > > > Beram Mahmoud > > > > > > --- > > Dipl.-Ing.(FH); M.A. > > Mobile: +49 (0) 16094813279 > > Email: beram.m at gmx.de > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170310/42f70a94/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:23:16 +0100 (MET) > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse KD > Message-ID: > <1489162996637.730094.6af5eec5ea5e2fb97ef87756135342 > 5cb99d8cfa at spica.telekom.de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I no belive that they have the submarine really under operation. > The last picture are 7 years old showing a sub resting on a parking lot in > Germany (!) since 15-20 years. > The electronic and sonars are from the early 80ies, the batteries and the > arcilc dome offline since years. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse KD > Datum: 2017-03-10T16:08:53+0100 > Von: "Beram Mahmoud via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" > > > > > Dear Everyone, > > > > as someone who is interested in that topic since many years? > I have just found an interesting homepage concerning the Bruker Seahorse KD > Submarine. > > I have also called the company and they informed me that the submarine is > NOT FOR SALE. > > Nevertheless you can find many interesting information?s there. > > > > http://seahorse-kd.com/ > > > > Best regards > > > > Beram Mahmoud > > > > > > --- > > Dipl.-Ing.(FH); M.A. > > Mobile: +49 (0) 16094813279 > > Email: beram.m at gmx.de > > > > ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170310/f78ec401/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 19 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Sent from my iPad > On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > New video of arm assembly on Gamma. > Hank > > > On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HGAFanbNE > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Hank, > I enjoy watching the videos. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 10 20:30:40 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 14:30:40 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] potting epoxy In-Reply-To: <20170309214844.71ABD937@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20170309214844.71ABD937@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <7B3E6E96-7205-443A-A400-A4AFD5A0FF99@yahoo.com> Brian, just had a look at the link to the potting epoxy. Make sure you buy the SS (slow setting) version for larger volume casts. The other versions seem designed for pouring over wiring & I can't see any reference as to how thick you can pour it. Most of that sort of stuff can crack if you pour it too thick & cure it too fast. I used to use resins in art work & have had a number of thick sectioned pours crack. If you have already bought the other product; you could use it by doing an initial pour or brush on, around the wires or pins & when dry, fill in with the SS stuff. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad > On 10/03/2017, at 6:48 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi All, > I got some potting epoxy from McMaster Carr, problem is, it's not really the best solution for our needs since it is actually a flexible epoxy, it would most likely extrude under pressure. Luckily in the package with the epoxy that I got, they sent me a lot of info and a catalogue showing all their epoxy products. They have some amazing epoxies ! Ceramic, machine-able epoxy, and the perfect epoxy for what I need, which is: potting for my electrical penetrators. This stuff (Duralco 4461 IP) is really great because it's very pourable and it has a heat tolerance of 500 F , that means I can safely solder my #4 stranded copper wire within a close proximity to the potted copper rods ! It's also ideal for electrical resistance. And low shrinkage . > > Here's a link to the 4461 IP : > > http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/ea_electricalresistant.htm > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 10 20:35:05 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 12:35:05 +1100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] LED Light test In-Reply-To: <39CFC4D9-2C5B-493B-9FAA-7BBC17153FD6@yahoo.com> References: <1A4E04A6-B1EA-49B1-8DD4-FC4AD3AD0CE4@yahoo.com> <7D86078F-55CA-4510-B8F7-707FE687F79F@yahoo.com> <39CFC4D9-2C5B-493B-9FAA-7BBC17153FD6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alan, luckily I don't follow rugby... ;) (or whatever variant that is!) Cheers Steve On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Steve, > here's my contacts email if you get interested. > kevin at tyf-led.com > Great person to deal with, & if you say "sample" you > can buy small quantities. I bought mine initially without the pigtails > but got them to solder them on for 50c each, as they needed a lot > higher watt soldering iron than I had, & also I didn't want to overheat & > destroy > any in the soldering process. > It's pouring down in Auckland & the Warriors are taking on your Melbourne > storm > in half an hour. Going to be a messy game. > Alan > Sent from my iPad > > On 10/03/2017, at 4:22 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks Alan, your LED flip chip is quite interesting - my research has > only been into much smaller LEDs (CREE XML2) and it's cool to see such a > big one! Pretty hard to argue with $6.50 too. > > Cheers, > Steve > > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Thanks Steve, >> that's great to know about the heat on the acrylic lens & your testing. >> At the moment I am driving my lights with a buck / boost constant current >> driver >> that has a 60V input for my 48V system. It took a lot of work tracking >> down a >> unit that was suitable for 48V. >> A friend put me on to those linear regulators & is trying to convince me >> to go >> with them. I will keep your information in mind should I need to argue my >> way >> out of them. They would be good for a Sub on a 36 V system, as most of >> the >> high power LEDs are 36V. >> Have a look at the flip chip LED I'm using if you haven't already seen it. >> Smaller than the usual cob LEDs. >> http://www.tyf-led.com/downloadRepository/82befdc2-15b3- >> 4ff0-a553-6f53a4d8e404.pdf >> Got mine with pigtails on for $6:50- each. >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 9/03/2017, at 9:54 PM, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Hi Alan, >> I'm glad your lights are going well! There are a couple of things I may >> be able to contribute after several iterations of designing the circuit for >> my TFM caving/diving helmet lights. >> >> *1. Linear vs switching LED drivers. * >> I looked at the datasheet for your LED driver chip and it appears to be a >> linear regulator - this in general terms means it creates a variable >> resistance to get the output current/voltage right, and as such can create >> a lot of heat which may be wasteful. Ie. if you have a 12V supply and your >> LED needs 4V, 67% of the power will be lost in the driver! But if you have >> a 12V supply and your LED chain needs 11.5V, then it's quite efficient. >> They are simple and easy, and small as you point out, with no external >> components. >> >> A switching driver uses very fast (MHz) PWM along with an external >> capacitor/inductor to drop and smooth out the voltage, and is ~90+% >> efficient over a big range of voltage drops. This means it creates much >> less heat and saves power. >> >> I changed to switching drivers for my LEDS (input 7-8V, output 3-4V) and >> noticed a huge difference in heat and efficiency. Just something to be >> aware of if you run into heat or runtime problems. >> >> *2. Acrylic windows* >> I have used lasercut acrylic (6mm) in my caving lights (which I've had up >> to 80degC according to the internal temp sensor. Lasercutting allows me to >> get an oblong rectangular shape with holts for screws. The lights have a >> full high temperature burn test out of the water and then multiple dives to >> 100m in my pressure pot, with no acrylic failures to date. >> >> Cheers, >> Steve Fordyce >> >> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Tested my 80W LED light in a housing, to see how hot it got in & out >>> of the water. >>> The good news was it didn't get warm at all after running at 70W for >>> 25 minutes in the kitchen sink. Out of the water it hit 120F (49C) in 7 >>> minutes. The LED has a maximum temperature rating of 60C so was keeping >>> back a bit from that. >>> I dropped the current down & ran it out of the water at 33W & 25W but it >>> climbed >>> to 125F in 20 minutes for 33W & 15 minutes for the 25W. >>> I am using a cast acrylic 8mm thick lens, & this didn't get hot either >>> in air >>> or water. Using acrylic instead of glass is saving me $90-. >>> Am making a few minor housing design adjustments for the final iteration. >>> Have also ordered a dozen of these 50 V 350 mA constant current >>> regulator & >>> LED drivers. >>> >>> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NSI50350AD >>> They are TINY; about 1/4" square & you run them in series to get the >>> desired >>> amperage. They have a wide input voltage & would be great for a 36V >>> system. >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best for the ensuing dive & look >> forward >> to hearing the report. >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. >> Hank >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HGAFanbNE >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 10 22:04:38 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:04:38 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] potting epoxy Message-ID: <20170310190438.B96EF3D8@m0087792.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 10 22:20:12 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 03:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] potting epoxy In-Reply-To: <20170310190438.B96EF3D8@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20170310190438.B96EF3D8@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1348486417.3379144.1489202412248@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,yes, I was looking at it. It might be good for pouring over the coilson my solenoid operated ballast valve (yet to be made), as these areexposed to seawater.Alan From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] potting epoxy Alan,?? you might be able to use some of that high temp epoxy for the high temp area of your lights.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] potting epoxy Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 14:30:40 +1300 Brian,just had a look at the link to the potting epoxy.Make sure you buy the SS (slow setting) version for larger volume casts.The other versions seem designed for pouring over wiring & I can't see anyreference as to how thick you can pour it.?Most of that sort of stuff can crack if you pour it too thick & cure it too fast.I used to use resins in art work & have had a number of thick sectioned?pours crack.If you have already bought the other product; you could use it by doing aninitial pour or brush on, around the wires or pins & when dry, fill in with theSS stuff.Cheers Alan? Sent from my iPad On 10/03/2017, at 6:48 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,???????????? I got some potting epoxy from McMaster Carr,? problem is, it's not really the best solution for our needs since it is actually a flexible epoxy, it would most likely extrude under pressure.? Luckily?in?the package with the epoxy that I got, ?they sent me a lot of info and a catalogue?showing all their?epoxy products.?? They have some amazing epoxies !? Ceramic,?machine-able epoxy, and the perfect epoxy for what I need, which is: potting for?my electrical penetrators.? This stuff (Duralco 4461 IP)? is really great because it's very pourable and it has a heat tolerance of 500 F? , that means I can safely solder my #4 stranded copper wire within a close proximity to the potted copper rods !??? It's also ideal for electrical resistance. And low shrinkage .? ?Here's a link to the 4461 IP :?http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/ea_electricalresistant.htm?Brian? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Lookin good Hank! > > Rick > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Thanks Hank, >> I enjoy watching the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look >> forward >> to hearing the report. >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. >> Hank >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HGAFanbNE >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 11 10:37:30 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:37:30 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: <15499312.3375683.1489238348196@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1399289496.3112709.1489184930774@mail.yahoo.com> <955A99C8-84EF-4654-B8D3-49313546C414@yahoo.com> <15499312.3375683.1489238348196@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1CC47677-3137-48A9-8B16-7D37A6CC72A1@snyderemail.com> Indeed!!! Awesome boat! > On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I can not think of a single thing I want to do her now. I have always had a diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. > Hank > > > On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. > > > On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Lookin good Hank! > > > > Rick > > > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > >> Thanks Hank, > >> I enjoy watching the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look > >> forward > >> to hearing the report. > >> Alan > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> > >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. > >> Hank > >> > >> > >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > >> > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HGAFanbNE > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 11 10:41:07 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Juergen Guerrero Kommritz via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 15:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse KD In-Reply-To: <1489162996637.730094.6af5eec5ea5e2fb97ef877561353425cb99d8cfa@spica.telekom.de> References: <006001d299af$b5050fa0$1f0f2ee0$@gmx.de> <1489162996637.730094.6af5eec5ea5e2fb97ef877561353425cb99d8cfa@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <413584427.5824029.1489246867059@mail.yahoo.com> I love this boat.I am sure the boat needs a full reconstruction and will be a lot of work. Many things must be replaced and modernized. At the present state for a museum may be.Thanks for the link.Best wishesJuergen "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" schrieb am 11:26 Freitag, 10.M?rz 2017: I no belive that they have the submarine really under operation. The last picture are 7 years old showing a sub resting on a parking lot in Germany (!) since 15-20 years. The electronic and sonars are from the early 80ies, the batteries and the arcilc dome offline since years. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse KDDatum: 2017-03-10T16:08:53+0100Von: "Beram Mahmoud via Personal_Submersibles" An: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" ???Dear Everyone,?as someone who is interested in that topic since many years? I have just found an interesting homepage concerning the Bruker Seahorse KD Submarine.I have also called the company and they informed me that the submarine is NOT FOR SALE.Nevertheless you can find many interesting information?s there.?http://seahorse-kd.com/?Best regards?Beram Mahmoud??---Dipl.-Ing.(FH); M.A.Mobile: +49 (0) 16094813279Email: beram.m at gmx.de?? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 11 13:09:48 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: <1CC47677-3137-48A9-8B16-7D37A6CC72A1@snyderemail.com> References: <1399289496.3112709.1489184930774@mail.yahoo.com> <955A99C8-84EF-4654-B8D3-49313546C414@yahoo.com> <15499312.3375683.1489238348196@mail.yahoo.com> <1CC47677-3137-48A9-8B16-7D37A6CC72A1@snyderemail.com> Message-ID: has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the solvent method? Rick On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Indeed!!! Awesome boat! > > On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I can > not think of a single thing I want to do her now. I have always had a > diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. > Hank > > > On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. > > > On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Lookin good Hank! > > > > Rick > > > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > >> Thanks Hank, > >> I enjoy watching the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look > >> forward > >> to hearing the report. > >> Alan > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> > >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. > >> Hank > >> > >> > >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > >> > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HGAFanbNE > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 11 13:50:54 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:50:54 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma Message-ID: <20170311105054.B96EE76A@m0087792.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 11 14:35:02 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:35:02 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: <20170311105054.B96EE76A@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20170311105054.B96EE76A@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <3B544DFB-323C-41C8-BA46-621AFA22CDBE@yahoo.com> Rick, a while back I was trying to determine how necessary cleaning was for low pressure O2 systems. I couldn't find any incident related to low pressure systems. However second stage regulators are O2 cleaned so I guess it matters. Below is an excerpt from the O2 hackers manual. Alan On Oxygen Cleaning: "One way or another, it seems clear that there are a lot of people doing partial pressure mixing of nitrox who are not using professionally 02 clean tanks or hydrocarbon free air and appear to be getting away with it. Does that mean you should? Don't expect me to tell you it's OK. It's one of those things that you may get away with ten or a hundred times, but if on the thousandth time it blows up in your face you?re going to feel pretty stupid in those last micro-seconds. Rather, take it to mean one doesn't have to be overly intimidated. Oxygen cleaning, it appears, is not rocket science, as we've been led to believe in the past, but rather kitchen science - a matter of detergent, hot water and common sense. The important thing is to use cleaning agents that will remove any hydrocarbons, but not contribute any themselves. Flammable solvents, obviously are out. The Navy dive manual. the CGA, and other technical publications have leaned towards heavy duty solvents and detergents such as anhydrous technical grade trisodium phosphate, trichlorethylene and liquid freon, followed by rinsing with deionized water. These are hard to find, environmentally suspect in some cases, and, in the case of trichlorethylene, leave a bad smell in the tank that's almost impossible to get rid of. Fortunately, there are some much milder and more easily obtained detergents that are popular with tech divers and seem to do the job just fine. Two of the most frequently mentioned are Simple Green, which can be used diluted, and Formula 409 which is usually used straight. The tank is filled with a hot solution of the detergent of choice, shaken, scrubbed, or tumbled, then thoroughly rinsed and dried. Cleaning tanks can be done better, and a whole lot easier, if one improvise a washing and drying stand that will hold the tank upside down and a few inches off the ground, so it can drain freely. Then the tank can be throughly rinsed by sticking a hose up inside and blasting it out with flowing hot water. " Sent from my iPad > On 12/03/2017, at 7:50 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Rick, I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap and water is sufficient. Using a dish washing liquid. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 > > has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the solvent method? > > Rick > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Indeed!!! Awesome boat! > > On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I can not think of a single thing I want to do her now. I have always had a diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. > Hank > > > On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. > > > On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Lookin good Hank! > > > > Rick > > > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > >> Thanks Hank, > >> I enjoy watching the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look > >> forward > >> to hearing the report. > >> Alan > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> > >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. > >> Hank > >> > >> > >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > >> > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HGAFanbNE > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 12 13:49:36 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 11:49:36 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: mm7AcY9HRsGaLmm7BcPgbk References: mm7AcY9HRsGaLmm7BcPgbk Message-ID: <6d062713-c828-42be-8e3b-e47dc5e2f2b6@email.android.com> Not all detergents are the same in this regard. You need something with a high affinity for hydrocarbons which is residue free. Simple green and formula 409 are mentioned in the Oxygen Hacker's Companion, but I always use orange TKO. I use vinegar on regulator and valve parts to remove corrosion, and will scrub these after the vinegar soak, and then wash them with an orange TKO solution as the next step before rinsing with distilled or filtered water. Cylinders just get a hot orange TKO solution wash, followed by a clean water rinse. I wouldn't use solvents for cleaning lines for oxygen service, although you can if you subsequently flush the lines to remove all traces of the solvent afterwards. A quick detergent solution flush, followed by a clean water rinse, followed by blowing out with clean dry air or nitrogen should suffice. I like to pull vacuum on everything I put together to ensure that any remaining water or volatiles are evaporated, but that may not be practical for everyone. Note also that I only ever bother with this for 100 % oxygen service at high pressures. Most of the time, I assemble tubing and fittings as delivered, blow it out once with nitrogen to remove any loose particles, and call it a day. Sean On March 11, 2017 11:50:54 AM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >Rick, I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap and >water is sufficient. Using a dish washing liquid. > > > >Brian > >--- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > >From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 > >has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the >solvent method? > > >Rick > > >On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via >Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >Indeed!!! Awesome boat! > > >On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I can >not think of a single thing I want to do her now. I have always had a >diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. > >Hank > > > >On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via >Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > >Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. > > >On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: >> Lookin good Hank! >> >> Rick >> >> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Hank, >>> I enjoy watching the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & >look >>> forward >>> to hearing the report. >>> Alan >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. >>> Hank >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: >>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HGAFanbNE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 12 14:40:45 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:40:45 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: <6d062713-c828-42be-8e3b-e47dc5e2f2b6@email.android.com> References: <6d062713-c828-42be-8e3b-e47dc5e2f2b6@email.android.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the input guys. My 02 bottles will be medical bottles that come already cleaned and be outside with 02 cleaned first stage regulators on them to go to LP right away and then I'll buy 02 cleaned LP hose to go to the SS threw hull fitting that's welded to the hull. The sked 80 SS threw hull, 90 degree street ell and 1/4" turn stop valve weren't cleaned though so those should be easy to clean based on your input. I'll also go with factory 02 cleaned rubber hose to the flow meter so it would be just those three thing. Just out of curiosity though, if a fire occurred from carbon/contamination or whatever, would the fire just burn very briefly in the hose and then go out or would there be an explosion that would rupture the hose? As I recall, the unfortunate fire that occurred at NASA in the capsule with the three astronauts, wasn't that a quick fire with no explosion? Rick On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Not all detergents are the same in this regard. You need something with a > high affinity for hydrocarbons which is residue free. Simple green and > formula 409 are mentioned in the Oxygen Hacker's Companion, but I always > use orange TKO. I use vinegar on regulator and valve parts to remove > corrosion, and will scrub these after the vinegar soak, and then wash them > with an orange TKO solution as the next step before rinsing with distilled > or filtered water. Cylinders just get a hot orange TKO solution wash, > followed by a clean water rinse. > > I wouldn't use solvents for cleaning lines for oxygen service, although > you can if you subsequently flush the lines to remove all traces of the > solvent afterwards. A quick detergent solution flush, followed by a clean > water rinse, followed by blowing out with clean dry air or nitrogen should > suffice. I like to pull vacuum on everything I put together to ensure that > any remaining water or volatiles are evaporated, but that may not be > practical for everyone. > > Note also that I only ever bother with this for 100 % oxygen service at > high pressures. Most of the time, I assemble tubing and fittings as > delivered, blow it out once with nitrogen to remove any loose particles, > and call it a day. > > Sean > > > On March 11, 2017 11:50:54 AM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Rick, I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap and >> water is sufficient. Using a dish washing liquid. >> >> Brian >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma >> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 >> >> has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the >> solvent method? >> >> Rick >> >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >> Indeed!!! Awesome boat! >> >> On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I can >> not think of a single thing I want to do her now. I have always had a >> diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. >> Hank >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >> >> Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. >> >> >> On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> > Lookin good Hank! >> > >> > Rick >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks Hank, >> >> I enjoy watching! the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look >> >> >> forward >> >> to hearing the report. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. >> >> Hank >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HGAFanbNE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 12 15:28:06 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:28:06 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: n8QncAGjvGVvln8QocxPSF References: <6d062713-c828-42be-8e3b-e47dc5e2f2b6@email.android.com> n8QncAGjvGVvln8QocxPSF Message-ID: <1b185b8b-f3d9-4afc-b352-3524001a6bd5@email.android.com> The NASA thing was because of the 100% oxygen environment, which makes an inferno out of anything burning. This was exascerbated by the fact that they had a tendency to use tons of velcro everywhere, which became a fuel source in the elevated oxygen environment. If your cabin environment is only air, as it should be, then the fire risk from oxygen piping exists only from the metals themselves or any entrained hydrocarbons. Machining operations which create sharp or thin edges within fittings can make the parts internally susceptible to burning in the presence of a source of ignition, which adiabatic heat from high rates of compression (i.e. a fast acting oxygen valve) in combination with residual hydrocarbons in the fittings / piping can represent. Also, all materials used in the personnel space, which includes but is not limited to the materials used in hoses, must be self-extinguishing / fire resistant. A hose burning will likely cause it to rupture. Sean On March 12, 2017 12:40:45 PM MDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >Thanks for the input guys. > My 02 bottles will be medical bottles that come already cleaned and be >outside with 02 cleaned first stage regulators on them to go to LP >right >away and then I'll buy 02 cleaned LP hose to go to the SS threw hull >fitting that's welded to the hull. >The sked 80 SS threw hull, 90 degree street ell and 1/4" turn stop >valve >weren't cleaned though so those should be easy to clean based on your >input. I'll also go with factory 02 cleaned rubber hose to the flow >meter >so it would be just those three thing. >Just out of curiosity though, if a fire occurred from >carbon/contamination >or whatever, would the fire just burn very briefly in the hose and then >go >out or would there be an explosion that would rupture the hose? As I >recall, the unfortunate fire that occurred at NASA in the capsule with >the >three astronauts, wasn't that a quick fire with no explosion? > >Rick > > >On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via >Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Not all detergents are the same in this regard. You need something >with a >> high affinity for hydrocarbons which is residue free. Simple green >and >> formula 409 are mentioned in the Oxygen Hacker's Companion, but I >always >> use orange TKO. I use vinegar on regulator and valve parts to remove >> corrosion, and will scrub these after the vinegar soak, and then wash >them >> with an orange TKO solution as the next step before rinsing with >distilled >> or filtered water. Cylinders just get a hot orange TKO solution wash, >> followed by a clean water rinse. >> >> I wouldn't use solvents for cleaning lines for oxygen service, >although >> you can if you subsequently flush the lines to remove all traces of >the >> solvent afterwards. A quick detergent solution flush, followed by a >clean >> water rinse, followed by blowing out with clean dry air or nitrogen >should >> suffice. I like to pull vacuum on everything I put together to ensure >that >> any remaining water or volatiles are evaporated, but that may not be >> practical for everyone. >> >> Note also that I only ever bother with this for 100 % oxygen service >at >> high pressures. Most of the time, I assemble tubing and fittings as >> delivered, blow it out once with nitrogen to remove any loose >particles, >> and call it a day. >> >> Sean >> >> >> On March 11, 2017 11:50:54 AM MST, Brian Cox via >Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Rick, I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap >and >>> water is sufficient. Using a dish washing liquid. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>> >>> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >>> org> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma >>> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 >>> >>> has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using >the >>> solvent method? >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via >Personal_Submersibles >>> wrote: >>> >>> Indeed!!! Awesome boat! >>> >>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I >can >>> not think of a single thing I want to do her now. I have always had >a >>> diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. >>> Hank >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via >Personal_Submersibles >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. >>> >>> >>> On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >>> wrote: >>> > Lookin good Hank! >>> > >>> > Rick >>> > >>> > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>> > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Thanks Hank, >>> >> I enjoy watching! the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & >look >>> >>> >> forward >>> >> to hearing the report. >>> >> Alan >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPad >>> >> >>> >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >< >>> >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. >>> >> Hank >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx >wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HGAFanbNE >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles >>> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> > >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 12 15:45:31 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: <1b185b8b-f3d9-4afc-b352-3524001a6bd5@email.android.com> References: <6d062713-c828-42be-8e3b-e47dc5e2f2b6@email.android.com> <1b185b8b-f3d9-4afc-b352-3524001a6bd5@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1880963274.3908066.1489347931493@mail.yahoo.com> Seems to me a medical O2 tank inside the sub with a regulator venting into the compartment is the safest. ?I also carry a 35cuft O2 bottle to refill the medical tank.Hank On Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:28 PM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: The NASA thing was because of the 100% oxygen environment, which makes an inferno out of anything burning. This was exascerbated by the fact that they had a tendency to use tons of velcro everywhere, which became a fuel source in the elevated oxygen environment. If your cabin environment is only air, as it should be, then the fire risk from oxygen piping exists only from the metals themselves or any entrained hydrocarbons.? Machining operations which create sharp or thin edges within fittings can make the parts internally susceptible to burning in the presence of a source of ignition, which adiabatic heat from high rates of compression (i.e. a fast acting oxygen valve) in combination with residual hydrocarbons in the fittings / piping can represent.? Also, all materials used in the personnel space, which includes but is not limited to the materials used in hoses, must be self-extinguishing / fire resistant. A hose burning will ! likelycause it to rupture.Sean On March 12, 2017 12:40:45 PM MDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the input guys.?My 02 bottles will be medical bottles that come already cleaned and be outside with 02 cleaned first stage regulators on them to go to LP right away and then I'll buy 02 cleaned LP hose to go to the SS threw hull fitting that's welded to the hull.?The sked 80 SS threw hull, 90 degree street ell and 1/4" turn stop valve weren't cleaned though so those should be easy to clean based on your input. I'll also go with factory 02 cleaned rubber hose to the flow meter so it would be just those three thing.?Just out of curiosity though, if a fire occurred from carbon/contamination ?or whatever, would the fire just burn very briefly in the hose and then go out or would there be an explosion that would rupture the hose? As I recall, the unfortunate fire that occurred at NASA in the capsule with the three astronauts, wasn't that a quick fire with no explosion?? Rick On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Not all detergents are the same in this regard. You need something with a high affinity for hydrocarbons which is residue free. Simple green and formula 409 are mentioned in the Oxygen Hacker's Companion, but I always use orange TKO. I use vinegar on regulator and valve parts to remove corrosion, and will scrub these after the vinegar soak, and then wash them with an orange TKO solution as the next step before rinsing with distilled or filtered water. Cylinders just get a hot orange TKO solution wash, followed by a clean water rinse.I wouldn't use solvents for cleaning lines for oxygen service, although you can if you subsequently flush the lines to remove all traces of the solvent afterwards. A quick detergent solution flush, followed by a clean water rinse, followed by blowing out with clean dry air or nitrogen should suffice. I like to pull vacuum on everything I put together to ensure that any remaining water or volatiles are evaporated, but that may not be practical for everyone.Note also that I only ever bother with this for 100 % oxygen service at high pressures. Most of the time, I assemble tubing and fittings as delivered, blow it out once with nitrogen to remove any loose particles, and call it a day.Sean On March 11, 2017 11:50:54 AM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,?????????? I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap and water is sufficient.? Using a dish washing liquid. ?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs. org wrote: From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the solvent method? Rick OnSat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Indeed!!! Awesome boat! On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out.? I can not think of a single thin! g I wantto do her now.? I have always had a diesel engine in mind but ?that might have been a want, not a need.Hank On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Lookin good Hank! > > Rick > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote: > >> Thanks Hank, >> I enjoy watching! thevideos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look >> forward >> to hearing the report. >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote: >> >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. >> Hank >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=S9HGAFanbNE >> >> >> >> >! > >> ______________________________ _________________ >>Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> > ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs. orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The solution in the end was to rough up the pins first before epoxying& coating with 3M 5200.AlanROV Hull Components - Part 3 - Through Hull Electrical Connectors | | | | | | | | | | | ROV Hull Components - Part 3 - Through Hull Electrical Connectors Starting to make some progress on our DIY high pressure through hull connectors, but this is an area that needs ... | | | | From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] potting epoxy Alan,?? you might be able to use some of that high temp epoxy for the high temp area of your lights.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] potting epoxy Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 14:30:40 +1300 Brian,just had a look at the link to the potting epoxy.Make sure you buy the SS (slow setting) version for larger volume casts.The other versions seem designed for pouring over wiring & I can't see anyreference as to how thick you can pour it.?Most of that sort of stuff can crack if you pour it too thick & cure it too fast.I used to use resins in art work & have had a number of thick sectioned?pours crack.If you have already bought the other product; you could use it by doing aninitial pour or brush on, around the wires or pins & when dry, fill in with theSS stuff.Cheers Alan? Sent from my iPad On 10/03/2017, at 6:48 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,???????????? I got some potting epoxy from McMaster Carr,? problem is, it's not really the best solution for our needs since it is actually a flexible epoxy, it would most likely extrude under pressure.? Luckily?in?the package with the epoxy that I got, ?they sent me a lot of info and a catalogue?showing all their?epoxy products.?? They have some amazing epoxies !? Ceramic,?machine-able epoxy, and the perfect epoxy for what I need, which is: potting for?my electrical penetrators.? This stuff (Duralco 4461 IP)? is really great because it's very pourable and it has a heat tolerance of 500 F? , that means I can safely solder my #4 stranded copper wire within a close proximity to the potted copper rods !??? It's also ideal for electrical resistance. And low shrinkage .? ?Here's a link to the 4461 IP :?http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/ea_electricalresistant.htm?Brian? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 3/13/17, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > One is called a "target ship".. > ..the other one a submarine. > > enjoy Carsten > ? From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 14 04:25:35 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:25:35 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Last Weekend pictures In-Reply-To: <1489426042702.1180068.373361966c918727dde9ba0fd4eaedc79428fdd9@spica.telekom.de> References: <20170312165724.B96E8465@m0087792.ppops.net> <1489426042702.1180068.373361966c918727dde9ba0fd4eaedc79428fdd9@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: Carsten, what you need is some sort of missile firing simulator on board! Alan Sent from my iPad > On 14/03/2017, at 6:27 AM, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > One is called a "target ship".. > ..the other one a submarine. > > enjoy Carsten > ? > <17264908_1363618573698535_5287407461484803765_n.jpg> > <17265164_1363618323698560_938857978124484611_n.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 15 00:08:16 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:08:16 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12 volt Temp sensor Message-ID: <20170314210816.B96FC341@m0087792.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have bought 3 temperature controllers recently. They all have similar very small probes & have survived being left in a spa pool. I don't think you will have any problems with heat as long as you don't run the motors out of the water for more than a few minutes. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 15/03/2017, at 5:08 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > Does anybody know of a good 12V temperature sensor? I would like to put one in my motor pods to monitor the temp of the oil. > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I usually go through 55 gallons in a year making my cosmetics.? ??? I need to take the motor apart and clean it , it's an old golf cart motor.? It runs really nice and slow with the gear reduction , I think around 500 rpm.?? It smoked a little bit , I'm not sure whats up with that.? The gear reduction normally has oil in it but I've been running it for short durations with out,? I don't think I'm harming it , but I really do want to get the oil in there.??? I have one whole set up with controller , reversing switch, potentiometer? etc , I will need an entire duplicate set up for the starboard motor pod.? ?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12 volt Temp sensor Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 14:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Brian,Have you done any testing with your motors in oil? ?If you need any Curtis Controllers for experimenting, I can lend you a couple. ??Hank On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:41 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Everybody,??????????????????????????????? Does anybody know of a good 12V temperature sensor??? I would like to put one in my motor pods to monitor the temp of the oil.?Brian _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 15 18:35:34 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:35:34 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] internal pressure of a sphere In-Reply-To: <1812631282.818744.1489600525444@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1812631282.818744.1489600525444.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1812631282.818744.1489600525444@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <026201d29ddc$76576290$630627b0$@nl> Hank, Just your normal calculator. There are only tensile stresses. Br, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 15 maart 2017 18:55 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] internal pressure of a sphere Hi All, I am looking for a calculator to determine the maximum internal pressure a 516-70 sphere of a given size and weight can handle. thanks' Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 15 21:14:31 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] internal pressure of a sphere In-Reply-To: <026201d29ddc$76576290$630627b0$@nl> References: <1812631282.818744.1489600525444.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1812631282.818744.1489600525444@mail.yahoo.com> <026201d29ddc$76576290$630627b0$@nl> Message-ID: <1848710969.1065661.1489626871362@mail.yahoo.com> Emile,Give me an example, lets say a 24 inch dia sphere made with .125 in thick 516-70Thank youHank On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 6:41 PM, emile via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv5951054853 #yiv5951054853 -- _filtered #yiv5951054853 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5951054853 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5951054853 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv5951054853 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv5951054853 #yiv5951054853 p.yiv5951054853MsoNormal, #yiv5951054853 li.yiv5951054853MsoNormal, #yiv5951054853 div.yiv5951054853MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv5951054853 a:link, #yiv5951054853 span.yiv5951054853MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5951054853 a:visited, #yiv5951054853 span.yiv5951054853MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5951054853 span.yiv5951054853E-mailStijl17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv5951054853 .yiv5951054853MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv5951054853 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt;}#yiv5951054853 div.yiv5951054853WordSection1 {}#yiv5951054853 Hank, ?Just your normal calculator. There are only tensile stresses. ?Br, Emile ?Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 15 maart 2017 18:55 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] internal pressure of a sphere ?Hi All,I am looking for a calculator to determine the maximum internal pressure a 516-70 sphere ?of a given size and weight can handle. ?thanks'Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 17 17:34:26 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:34:26 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: <1880963274.3908066.1489347931493@mail.yahoo.com> References: <6d062713-c828-42be-8e3b-e47dc5e2f2b6@email.android.com> <1b185b8b-f3d9-4afc-b352-3524001a6bd5@email.android.com> <1880963274.3908066.1489347931493@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a good 02 flow meter without a regulator as I am coming into the sub as LP o2. Rick On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 9:45 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Seems to me a medical O2 tank inside the sub with a regulator venting into > the compartment is the safest. I also carry a 35cuft O2 bottle to refill > the medical tank. > Hank > > > On Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:28 PM, Sean T. Stevenson via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > The NASA thing was because of the 100% oxygen environment, which makes an > inferno out of anything burning. This was exascerbated by the fact that > they had a tendency to use tons of velcro everywhere, which became a fuel > source in the elevated oxygen environment. If your cabin environment is > only air, as it should be, then the fire risk from oxygen piping exists > only from the metals themselves or any entrained hydrocarbons. Machining > operations which create sharp or thin edges within fittings can make the > parts internally susceptible to burning in the presence of a source of > ignition, which adiabatic heat from high rates of compression (i.e. a fast > acting oxygen valve) in combination with residual hydrocarbons in the > fittings / piping can represent. Also, all materials used in the personnel > space, which includes but is not limited to the materials used in hoses, > must be self-extinguishing / fire resistant. A hose burning will ! likely > cause it to rupture. > Sean > > > On March 12, 2017 12:40:45 PM MDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks for the input guys. > My 02 bottles will be medical bottles that come already cleaned and be > outside with 02 cleaned first stage regulators on them to go to LP right > away and then I'll buy 02 cleaned LP hose to go to the SS threw hull > fitting that's welded to the hull. > The sked 80 SS threw hull, 90 degree street ell and 1/4" turn stop valve > weren't cleaned though so those should be easy to clean based on your > input. I'll also go with factory 02 cleaned rubber hose to the flow meter > so it would be just those three thing. > Just out of curiosity though, if a fire occurred from carbon/contamination > or whatever, would the fire just burn very briefly in the hose and then go > out or would there be an explosion that would rupture the hose? As I > recall, the unfortunate fire that occurred at NASA in the capsule with the > three astronauts, wasn't that a quick fire with no explosion? > > Rick > > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Not all detergents are the same in this regard. You need something with a > high affinity for hydrocarbons which is residue free. Simple green and > formula 409 are mentioned in the Oxygen Hacker's Companion, but I always > use orange TKO. I use vinegar on regulator and valve parts to remove > corrosion, and will scrub these after the vinegar soak, and then wash them > with an orange TKO solution as the next step before rinsing with distilled > or filtered water. Cylinders just get a hot orange TKO solution wash, > followed by a clean water rinse. > I wouldn't use solvents for cleaning lines for oxygen service, although > you can if you subsequently flush the lines to remove all traces of the > solvent afterwards. A quick detergent solution flush, followed by a clean > water rinse, followed by blowing out with clean dry air or nitrogen should > suffice. I like to pull vacuum on everything I put together to ensure that > any remaining water or volatiles are evaporated, but that may not be > practical for everyone. > Note also that I only ever bother with this for 100 % oxygen service at > high pressures. Most of the time, I assemble tubing and fittings as > delivered, blow it out once with nitrogen to remove any loose particles, > and call it a day. > Sean > > > On March 11, 2017 11:50:54 AM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles org > wrote: > > Rick, I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap and > water is sufficient. Using a dish washing liquid. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs. org > wrote: > > From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles org > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion org > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 > > has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the > solvent method? > > Rick > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles > > > wrote: > > Indeed!!! Awesome boat! > > On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles org > wrote: > > Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I can > not think of a single thin! g I want to do her now. I have always had a > diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. > Hank > > > On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles org > wrote: > > > Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. > > > On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > > > wrote: > > Lookin good Hank! > > > > Rick > > > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs. org > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks Hank, > >> I enjoy watching! the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look > > >> forward > >> to hearing the report. > >> Alan > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > >> personal_submersibles at psubs. org > > wrote: > >> > >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. > >> Hank > >> > >> > >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > >> > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=S9HGAFanbNE > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >! > > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > >> > >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > >> > >> > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ > listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ------------------------------ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 17 18:13:46 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 11:13:46 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: References: <6d062713-c828-42be-8e3b-e47dc5e2f2b6@email.android.com> <1b185b8b-f3d9-4afc-b352-3524001a6bd5@email.android.com> <1880963274.3908066.1489347931493@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <34117A1D-76C3-4B04-B607-C0E8D58526BE@yahoo.com> Rick, I have purchased a few from this company in Washington state. http://www.emtmedicalco.com/PEDIATRIC-REGULATORS-0-4-LPM-CGA-540-5404.htm I think others Psubbers have also. You want the paediatric regulator with your required fitting. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 18/03/2017, at 10:34 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a good 02 flow meter without a regulator as I am coming into the sub as LP o2. > > Rick > >> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 9:45 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Seems to me a medical O2 tank inside the sub with a regulator venting into the compartment is the safest. I also carry a 35cuft O2 bottle to refill the medical tank. >> Hank >> >> >> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:28 PM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> The NASA thing was because of the 100% oxygen environment, which makes an inferno out of anything burning. This was exascerbated by the fact that they had a tendency to use tons of velcro everywhere, which became a fuel source in the elevated oxygen environment. If your cabin environment is only air, as it should be, then the fire risk from oxygen piping exists only from the metals themselves or any entrained hydrocarbons. Machining operations which create sharp or thin edges within fittings can make the parts internally susceptible to burning in the presence of a source of ignition, which adiabatic heat from high rates of compression (i.e. a fast acting oxygen valve) in combination with residual hydrocarbons in the fittings / piping can represent. Also, all materials used in the personnel space, which includes but is not limited to the materials used in hoses, must be self-extinguishing / fire resistant. A hose burning will ! likely cause it to rupture. >> Sean >> >> >> On March 12, 2017 12:40:45 PM MDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Thanks for the input guys. >> My 02 bottles will be medical bottles that come already cleaned and be outside with 02 cleaned first stage regulators on them to go to LP right away and then I'll buy 02 cleaned LP hose to go to the SS threw hull fitting that's welded to the hull. >> The sked 80 SS threw hull, 90 degree street ell and 1/4" turn stop valve weren't cleaned though so those should be easy to clean based on your input. I'll also go with factory 02 cleaned rubber hose to the flow meter so it would be just those three thing. >> Just out of curiosity though, if a fire occurred from carbon/contamination or whatever, would the fire just burn very briefly in the hose and then go out or would there be an explosion that would rupture the hose? As I recall, the unfortunate fire that occurred at NASA in the capsule with the three astronauts, wasn't that a quick fire with no explosion? >> >> Rick >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Not all detergents are the same in this regard. You need something with a high affinity for hydrocarbons which is residue free. Simple green and formula 409 are mentioned in the Oxygen Hacker's Companion, but I always use orange TKO. I use vinegar on regulator and valve parts to remove corrosion, and will scrub these after the vinegar soak, and then wash them with an orange TKO solution as the next step before rinsing with distilled or filtered water. Cylinders just get a hot orange TKO solution wash, followed by a clean water rinse. >> I wouldn't use solvents for cleaning lines for oxygen service, although you can if you subsequently flush the lines to remove all traces of the solvent afterwards. A quick detergent solution flush, followed by a clean water rinse, followed by blowing out with clean dry air or nitrogen should suffice. I like to pull vacuum on everything I put together to ensure that any remaining water or volatiles are evaporated, but that may not be practical for everyone. >> Note also that I only ever bother with this for 100 % oxygen service at high pressures. Most of the time, I assemble tubing and fittings as delivered, blow it out once with nitrogen to remove any loose particles, and call it a day. >> Sean >> >> >> On March 11, 2017 11:50:54 AM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Rick, I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap and water is sufficient. Using a dish washing liquid. >> >> Brian >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs. org wrote: >> >> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma >> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 >> >> has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the solvent method? >> >> Rick >> >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Indeed!!! Awesome boat! >> >> On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I can not think of a single thin! g I want to do her now. I have always had a diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. >> Hank >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. >> >> >> On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> > Lookin good Hank! >> > >> > Rick >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> > personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks Hank, >> >> I enjoy watching! the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look >> >> >> forward >> >> to hearing the report. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> >> personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote: >> >> >> >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. >> >> Hank >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=S9HGAFanbNE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >! > >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 17 18:18:24 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: References: <6d062713-c828-42be-8e3b-e47dc5e2f2b6@email.android.com> <1b185b8b-f3d9-4afc-b352-3524001a6bd5@email.android.com> <1880963274.3908066.1489347931493@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <441261535.2640709.1489789104725@mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Hank on having the O2 inside when talking about a small tank (or multiple small tanks). The likelihood that an O2 tank will leak or blow up is pretty slim. Even so, when talking about larger tanks (large enough to create a dangerous concentration if it DID leak) then the tank should really go outboard and have a shut off valve in the hull. Also, in the event that the external tank needed to be shut off, a small internal tank for back up might come in handy. Greg From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma Can anyone recommend a good 02 flow meter without a regulator as I am coming into the sub as LP o2. Rick On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 9:45 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Seems to me a medical O2 tank inside the sub with a regulator venting into the compartment is the safest.? I also carry a 35cuft O2 bottle to refill the medical tank.Hank On Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:28 PM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: The NASA thing was because of the 100% oxygen environment, which makes an inferno out of anything burning. This was exascerbated by the fact that they had a tendency to use tons of velcro everywhere, which became a fuel source in the elevated oxygen environment. If your cabin environment is only air, as it should be, then the fire risk from oxygen piping exists only from the metals themselves or any entrained hydrocarbons.? Machining operations which create sharp or thin edges within fittings can make the parts internally susceptible to burning in the presence of a source of ignition, which adiabatic heat from high rates of compression (i.e. a fast acting oxygen valve) in combination with residual hydrocarbons in the fittings / piping can represent.? Also, all materials used in the personnel space, which includes but is not limited to the materials used in hoses, must be self-extinguishing / fire resistant. A hose burning will ! likelycause it to rupture.Sean On March 12, 2017 12:40:45 PM MDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks for the input guys.?My 02 bottles will be medical bottles that come already cleaned and be outside with 02 cleaned first stage regulators on them to go to LP right away and then I'll buy 02 cleaned LP hose to go to the SS threw hull fitting that's welded to the hull.?The sked 80 SS threw hull, 90 degree street ell and 1/4" turn stop valve weren't cleaned though so those should be easy to clean based on your input. I'll also go with factory 02 cleaned rubber hose to the flow meter so it would be just those three thing.?Just out of curiosity though, if a fire occurred from carbon/contamination ?or whatever, would the fire just burn very briefly in the hose and then go out or would there be an explosion that would rupture the hose? As I recall, the unfortunate fire that occurred at NASA in the capsule with the three astronauts, wasn't that a quick fire with no explosion?? Rick On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Not all detergents are the same in this regard. You need something with a high affinity for hydrocarbons which is residue free. Simple green and formula 409 are mentioned in the Oxygen Hacker's Companion, but I always use orange TKO. I use vinegar on regulator and valve parts to remove corrosion, and will scrub these after the vinegar soak, and then wash them with an orange TKO solution as the next step before rinsing with distilled or filtered water. Cylinders just get a hot orange TKO solution wash, followed by a clean water rinse.I wouldn't use solvents for cleaning lines for oxygen service, although you can if you subsequently flush the lines to remove all traces of the solvent afterwards. A quick detergent solution flush, followed by a clean water rinse, followed by blowing out with clean dry air or nitrogen should suffice. I like to pull vacuum on everything I put together to ensure that any remaining water or volatiles are evaporated, but that may not be practical for everyone.Note also that I only ever bother with this for 100 % oxygen service at high pressures. Most of the time, I assemble tubing and fittings as delivered, blow it out once with nitrogen to remove any loose particles, and call it a day.Sean On March 11, 2017 11:50:54 AM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,?????????? I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap and water is sufficient.? Using a dish washing liquid. ?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs. org wrote: From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the solvent method? Rick OnSat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Indeed!!! Awesome boat! On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out.? I can not think of a single thin! g I wantto do her now.? I have always had a diesel engine in mind but ?that might have been a want, not a need.Hank On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Lookin good Hank! > > Rick > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote: > >> Thanks Hank, >> I enjoy watching! thevideos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look >> forward >> to hearing the report. >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs. org> wrote: >> >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. >> Hank >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=S9HGAFanbNE >> >> >> >> >! > >> ______________________________ _________________ >>Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> > ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs. orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 17 18:22:02 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:22:02 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma In-Reply-To: <34117A1D-76C3-4B04-B607-C0E8D58526BE@yahoo.com> References: <6d062713-c828-42be-8e3b-e47dc5e2f2b6@email.android.com> <1b185b8b-f3d9-4afc-b352-3524001a6bd5@email.android.com> <1880963274.3908066.1489347931493@mail.yahoo.com> <34117A1D-76C3-4B04-B607-C0E8D58526BE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alan Rick On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > I have purchased a few from this company in Washington state. > http://www.emtmedicalco.com/PEDIATRIC-REGULATORS-0-4-LPM-CGA-540-5404.htm > I think others Psubbers have also. You want the paediatric regulator with > your required fitting. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 18/03/2017, at 10:34 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a good 02 flow meter without a regulator as I am > coming into the sub as LP o2. > > Rick > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 9:45 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Seems to me a medical O2 tank inside the sub with a regulator venting >> into the compartment is the safest. I also carry a 35cuft O2 bottle to >> refill the medical tank. >> Hank >> >> >> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:28 PM, Sean T. Stevenson via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> The NASA thing was because of the 100% oxygen environment, which makes an >> inferno out of anything burning. This was exascerbated by the fact that >> they had a tendency to use tons of velcro everywhere, which became a fuel >> source in the elevated oxygen environment. If your cabin environment is >> only air, as it should be, then the fire risk from oxygen piping exists >> only from the metals themselves or any entrained hydrocarbons. Machining >> operations which create sharp or thin edges within fittings can make the >> parts internally susceptible to burning in the presence of a source of >> ignition, which adiabatic heat from high rates of compression (i.e. a fast >> acting oxygen valve) in combination with residual hydrocarbons in the >> fittings / piping can represent. Also, all materials used in the personnel >> space, which includes but is not limited to the materials used in hoses, >> must be self-extinguishing / fire resistant. A hose burning will ! likely >> cause it to rupture. >> Sean >> >> >> On March 12, 2017 12:40:45 PM MDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the input guys. >> My 02 bottles will be medical bottles that come already cleaned and be >> outside with 02 cleaned first stage regulators on them to go to LP right >> away and then I'll buy 02 cleaned LP hose to go to the SS threw hull >> fitting that's welded to the hull. >> The sked 80 SS threw hull, 90 degree street ell and 1/4" turn stop valve >> weren't cleaned though so those should be easy to clean based on your >> input. I'll also go with factory 02 cleaned rubber hose to the flow meter >> so it would be just those three thing. >> Just out of curiosity though, if a fire occurred from >> carbon/contamination or whatever, would the fire just burn very briefly in >> the hose and then go out or would there be an explosion that would rupture >> the hose? As I recall, the unfortunate fire that occurred at NASA in the >> capsule with the three astronauts, wasn't that a quick fire with no >> explosion? >> >> Rick >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Not all detergents are the same in this regard. You need something with a >> high affinity for hydrocarbons which is residue free. Simple green and >> formula 409 are mentioned in the Oxygen Hacker's Companion, but I always >> use orange TKO. I use vinegar on regulator and valve parts to remove >> corrosion, and will scrub these after the vinegar soak, and then wash them >> with an orange TKO solution as the next step before rinsing with distilled >> or filtered water. Cylinders just get a hot orange TKO solution wash, >> followed by a clean water rinse. >> I wouldn't use solvents for cleaning lines for oxygen service, although >> you can if you subsequently flush the lines to remove all traces of the >> solvent afterwards. A quick detergent solution flush, followed by a clean >> water rinse, followed by blowing out with clean dry air or nitrogen should >> suffice. I like to pull vacuum on everything I put together to ensure that >> any remaining water or volatiles are evaporated, but that may not be >> practical for everyone. >> Note also that I only ever bother with this for 100 % oxygen service at >> high pressures. Most of the time, I assemble tubing and fittings as >> delivered, blow it out once with nitrogen to remove any loose particles, >> and call it a day. >> Sean >> >> >> On March 11, 2017 11:50:54 AM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > org > wrote: >> >> Rick, I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap and >> water is sufficient. Using a dish washing liquid. >> >> Brian >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs. org >> wrote: >> >> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > org > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > org > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma >> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 >> >> has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the >> solvent method? >> >> Rick >> >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles >> > >> wrote: >> >> Indeed!!! Awesome boat! >> >> On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > org > wrote: >> >> Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I can >> not think of a single thin! g I want to do her now. I have always had a >> diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. >> Hank >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles >> > >> wrote: >> >> >> Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. >> >> >> On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> > >> wrote: >> > Lookin good Hank! >> > >> > Rick >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> > personal_submersibles at psubs. org > >> wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks Hank, >> >> I enjoy watching! the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & look >> >> >> forward >> >> to hearing the report. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> >> personal_submersibles at psubs. org > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. >> >> Hank >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=S9HGAFanbNE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >! > >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles >> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ >> listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Fw: Gamma (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:22:02 -1000 > From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma > Message-ID: > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks Alan > > Rick > > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Rick, > > I have purchased a few from this company in Washington state. > > http://www.emtmedicalco.com/PEDIATRIC-REGULATORS-0-4-LPM- > CGA-540-5404.htm > > I think others Psubbers have also. You want the paediatric regulator with > > your required fitting. > > Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 18/03/2017, at 10:34 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Can anyone recommend a good 02 flow meter without a regulator as I am > > coming into the sub as LP o2. > > > > Rick > > > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 9:45 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > >> Seems to me a medical O2 tank inside the sub with a regulator venting > >> into the compartment is the safest. I also carry a 35cuft O2 bottle to > >> refill the medical tank. > >> Hank > >> > >> > >> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:28 PM, Sean T. Stevenson via > >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> > >> > >> The NASA thing was because of the 100% oxygen environment, which makes > an > >> inferno out of anything burning. This was exascerbated by the fact that > >> they had a tendency to use tons of velcro everywhere, which became a > fuel > >> source in the elevated oxygen environment. If your cabin environment is > >> only air, as it should be, then the fire risk from oxygen piping exists > >> only from the metals themselves or any entrained hydrocarbons. > Machining > >> operations which create sharp or thin edges within fittings can make the > >> parts internally susceptible to burning in the presence of a source of > >> ignition, which adiabatic heat from high rates of compression (i.e. a > fast > >> acting oxygen valve) in combination with residual hydrocarbons in the > >> fittings / piping can represent. Also, all materials used in the > personnel > >> space, which includes but is not limited to the materials used in hoses, > >> must be self-extinguishing / fire resistant. A hose burning will ! > likely > >> cause it to rupture. > >> Sean > >> > >> > >> On March 12, 2017 12:40:45 PM MDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles < > >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> > >> Thanks for the input guys. > >> My 02 bottles will be medical bottles that come already cleaned and be > >> outside with 02 cleaned first stage regulators on them to go to LP right > >> away and then I'll buy 02 cleaned LP hose to go to the SS threw hull > >> fitting that's welded to the hull. > >> The sked 80 SS threw hull, 90 degree street ell and 1/4" turn stop > valve > >> weren't cleaned though so those should be easy to clean based on your > >> input. I'll also go with factory 02 cleaned rubber hose to the flow > meter > >> so it would be just those three thing. > >> Just out of curiosity though, if a fire occurred from > >> carbon/contamination or whatever, would the fire just burn very > briefly in > >> the hose and then go out or would there be an explosion that would > rupture > >> the hose? As I recall, the unfortunate fire that occurred at NASA in the > >> capsule with the three astronauts, wasn't that a quick fire with no > >> explosion? > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Sean T. Stevenson via > >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> > >> Not all detergents are the same in this regard. You need something with > a > >> high affinity for hydrocarbons which is residue free. Simple green and > >> formula 409 are mentioned in the Oxygen Hacker's Companion, but I always > >> use orange TKO. I use vinegar on regulator and valve parts to remove > >> corrosion, and will scrub these after the vinegar soak, and then wash > them > >> with an orange TKO solution as the next step before rinsing with > distilled > >> or filtered water. Cylinders just get a hot orange TKO solution wash, > >> followed by a clean water rinse. > >> I wouldn't use solvents for cleaning lines for oxygen service, although > >> you can if you subsequently flush the lines to remove all traces of the > >> solvent afterwards. A quick detergent solution flush, followed by a > clean > >> water rinse, followed by blowing out with clean dry air or nitrogen > should > >> suffice. I like to pull vacuum on everything I put together to ensure > that > >> any remaining water or volatiles are evaporated, but that may not be > >> practical for everyone. > >> Note also that I only ever bother with this for 100 % oxygen service at > >> high pressures. Most of the time, I assemble tubing and fittings as > >> delivered, blow it out once with nitrogen to remove any loose particles, > >> and call it a day. > >> Sean > >> > >> > >> On March 11, 2017 11:50:54 AM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > >> org > wrote: > >> > >> Rick, I haven't, but my understanding is that just soap and > >> water is sufficient. Using a dish washing liquid. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs. org > >> wrote: > >> > >> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > >> org > > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> org > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fw: Gamma > >> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:09:48 -1000 > >> > >> has anyone 02 cleaned the insides of tubes or fittings before using the > >> solvent method? > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:37 AM, Gregory Snyder via > Personal_Submersibles > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >> Indeed!!! Awesome boat! > >> > >> On Mar 11, 2017, at 7:19 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > >> org > wrote: > >> > >> Thanks' guys, I am pretty pleased with how Gamma has turned out. I can > >> not think of a single thin! g I want to do her now. I have always had a > >> diesel engine in mind but that might have been a want, not a need. > >> Hank > >> > >> > >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 7:25 PM, Douglas Suhr via > Personal_Submersibles > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Beautiful Hank! What a fine sub you've got there. ~ Doug S. > >> > >> > >> On 3/10/17, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > Lookin good Hank! > >> > > >> > Rick > >> > > >> > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > >> > personal_submersibles at psubs. org > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Thanks Hank, > >> >> I enjoy watching! the videos. All the best for the ensuing dive & > look > >> > >> >> forward > >> >> to hearing the report. > >> >> Alan > >> >> > >> >> Sent from my iPad > >> >> > >> >> On 11/03/2017, at 11:28 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > >> >> personal_submersibles at psubs. org > > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> New video of arm assembly on Gamma. > >> >> Hank > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Friday, March 10, 2017 3:27 PM, xxx xxxxx wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=S9HGAFanbNE > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >! > > >> >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles > >> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ > >> listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles < > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________ _________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170317/60b4cd9a/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 33 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 18 10:50:51 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:50:51 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8f45f2aa-e479-3c8a-c5c6-e3b130ed4d76@psubs.org> It looks like the rule was enacted 7/1/2011 which places it about two months prior to the ten-year anniversary of the twin tower attacks. If you recall, there was a lot of hub-bub circulating that some kind of attack was being planned on the tenth anniversary so this was probably a proactive restriction for that event. I believe BIONIC DOLPHIN either operates or did a lot of testing in that lake and their activity may have contributed to such a rule. Jon On 2/25/2017 3:54 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Just scanned through the Whiskeytown Lake website and found the list > of park rules and regs. > > ? 3.19 > May I operate a submersible within park waters? > The use of manned or unmanned submersibles may only occur in > accordance with a permit issued by the superintendent under ? 1.6 of > this chapter. > > > ...So which one of you guys are responsible for that one? > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 18 13:30:56 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:30:56 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts In-Reply-To: pFi0cUB2XsGaLpFi2cCMf7 References: pFi0cUB2XsGaLpFi2cCMf7 Message-ID: <000001d2a00d$67d9ed40$378dc7c0$@telus.net> This permit was put in place because this lake is a National Park (no submersibles allowed without permit) and a dammed lake for hydro power and there is a risk of submarine vehicles getting mixed up in the power generation equipment. The requirement for a permit is not a "No" but usually requires informing the authorities of the planned activities and getting them approved for the area of operation. I just now got off the phone with Acting Chief Ranger Charlie Hardy. He said that the Sea Breacher subs are built in Redding and that they have a commercial use permit to operate those subs in Wiskeytown Lake. For our convention dive we will need a special use permit, which should be no problem getting approved. Ranger Hardy will email an application for the special use permit. He was most helpful and encouraging with respect to us operating manned submersibles in Wiskeytown Lake. It's not a gorgeous Florida reef, but a fresh water lake popular with divers due to decent 30 foot visibility. I expect the bottom is most likely mud, but I can confirm that with locals. What are everyone's opinions on having the convention at this location? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 7:51 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts It looks like the rule was enacted 7/1/2011 which places it about two months prior to the ten-year anniversary of the twin tower attacks. If you recall, there was a lot of hub-bub circulating that some kind of attack was being planned on the tenth anniversary so this was probably a proactive restriction for that event. I believe BIONIC DOLPHIN either operates or did a lot of testing in that lake and their activity may have contributed to such a rule. Jon On 2/25/2017 3:54 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Just scanned through the Whiskeytown Lake website and found the list of park rules and regs. ? 3.19 May I operate a submersible within park waters? The use of manned or unmanned submersibles may only occur in accordance with a permit issued by the superintendent under ? 1.6 of this chapter. ...So which one of you guys are responsible for that one? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 18 13:44:41 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:44:41 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts In-Reply-To: pICichEasrrlDpICkcV1Ps References: pFi0cUB2XsGaLpFi2cCMf7 pICichEasrrlDpICkcV1Ps Message-ID: <001101d2a00f$532b35a0$f981a0e0$@telus.net> I just received the application for a special use permit for Wiskeytown National Recreation Area. It looks reasonable does Psubs.org have Social Security Number or Tax Id number? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 10:31 AM To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts This permit was put in place because this lake is a National Park (no submersibles allowed without permit) and a dammed lake for hydro power and there is a risk of submarine vehicles getting mixed up in the power generation equipment. The requirement for a permit is not a "No" but usually requires informing the authorities of the planned activities and getting them approved for the area of operation. I just now got off the phone with Acting Chief Ranger Charlie Hardy. He said that the Sea Breacher subs are built in Redding and that they have a commercial use permit to operate those subs in Wiskeytown Lake. For our convention dive we will need a special use permit, which should be no problem getting approved. Ranger Hardy will email an application for the special use permit. He was most helpful and encouraging with respect to us operating manned submersibles in Wiskeytown Lake. It's not a gorgeous Florida reef, but a fresh water lake popular with divers due to decent 30 foot visibility. I expect the bottom is most likely mud, but I can confirm that with locals. What are everyone's opinions on having the convention at this location? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 7:51 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts It looks like the rule was enacted 7/1/2011 which places it about two months prior to the ten-year anniversary of the twin tower attacks. If you recall, there was a lot of hub-bub circulating that some kind of attack was being planned on the tenth anniversary so this was probably a proactive restriction for that event. I believe BIONIC DOLPHIN either operates or did a lot of testing in that lake and their activity may have contributed to such a rule. Jon On 2/25/2017 3:54 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Just scanned through the Whiskeytown Lake website and found the list of park rules and regs. ? 3.19 May I operate a submersible within park waters? The use of manned or unmanned submersibles may only occur in accordance with a permit issued by the superintendent under ? 1.6 of this chapter. ...So which one of you guys are responsible for that one? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 19 02:04:12 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 23:04:12 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts In-Reply-To: pPX0c21RaGVvlpPX1chMVI References: pPX0c21RaGVvlpPX1chMVI Message-ID: <003401d2a076$a2a20d40$e7e627c0$@telus.net> Brian, Approximate date for the convention would be sometime in July or August. It would be determined by those who are planning to attend. I think most of our fleet is near the east coast, but I am just putting this venue out there as potential choice. I think Jim or Jon make the actual decisions. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 6:20 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts Tim, What is the approximate date for a convention ? Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:30:56 -0700 This permit was put in place because this lake is a National Park (no submersibles allowed without permit) and a dammed lake for hydro power and there is a risk of submarine vehicles getting mixed up in the power generation equipment. The requirement for a permit is not a "No" but usually requires informing the authorities of the planned activities and getting them approved for the area of operation. I just now got off the phone with Acting Chief Ranger Charlie Hardy. He said that the Sea Breacher subs are built in Redding and that they have a commercial use permit to operate those subs in Wiskeytown Lake. For our convention dive we will need a special use permit, which should be no problem getting approved. Ranger Hardy will email an application for the special use permit. He was most helpful and encouraging with respect to us operating manned submersibles in Wiskeytown Lake. It's not a gorgeous Florida reef, but a fresh water lake popular with divers due to decent 30 foot visibility. I expect the bottom is most likely mud, but I can confirm that with locals. What are everyone's opinions on having the convention at this location? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 7:51 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts It looks like the rule was enacted 7/1/2011 which places it about two months prior to the ten-year anniversary of the twin tower attacks. If you recall, there was a lot of hub-bub circulating that some kind of attack was being planned on the tenth anniversary so this was probably a proactive restriction for that event. I believe BIONIC DOLPHIN either operates or did a lot of testing in that lake and their activity may have contributed to such a rule. Jon On 2/25/2017 3:54 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Just scanned through the Whiskeytown Lake website and found the list of park rules and regs. ? 3.19 May I operate a submersible within park waters? The use of manned or unmanned submersibles may only occur in accordance with a permit issued by the superintendent under ? 1.6 of this chapter. ...So which one of you guys are responsible for that one? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 19 09:11:26 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:11:26 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2017 Convention thoughts In-Reply-To: <003401d2a076$a2a20d40$e7e627c0$@telus.net> References: <003401d2a076$a2a20d40$e7e627c0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <33cbed93-be14-9a98-67df-802aeb4d443e@psubs.org> The key is number of attendees. Generally, we don't have good participation when the location is in a corner of the continent or at either coast. There are exceptions of course such as our trip to Nuytco at the West coast, and Florida where warm waters and good resources are attractive. Otherwise, the mid-west has always garnered the best attendances. Put some stakes in the ground; pick a date and a location, and then we can poll the mailing list to see what the participation would be like. If it's not a full-fledged convention it can always be a smaller "meet-up" for local attendees. Jon On 3/19/2017 2:04 AM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Brian, > > Approximate date for the convention would be sometime in July or > August. It would be determined by those who are planning to attend. > I think most of our fleet is near the east coast, but I am just > putting this venue out there as potential choice. I think Jim or Jon > make the actual decisions. > > Tim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Mar 20 17:12:45 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:12:45 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <061a01d2a1be$b888ffd0$299aff70$@nl> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duik boot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-a ndere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Mar 20 17:29:12 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:29:12 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: <061a01d2a1be$b888ffd0$299aff70$@nl> References: <061a01d2a1be$b888ffd0$299aff70$@nl> Message-ID: <15aed9fbb10-68b5-da68@webprd-m104.mail.aol.com> This model was used in the Bond movie "The Spy Who Loved Me." Curt Jurgens was the bad guy. And this particular sub was the one built (or rebuilt) by Mike Stahle at SST in Mangonia Park (near Riviera Beach) after Perry folded completely. I don't know if it is the one used in the movie, but it could very well have been. They built several, mostly for the US Navy, I think. I had a good look at this one in Mike's shop, tried to buy it, and found out that once again I couldn't afford Perry subs, even the wet ones. Vance -----Original Message----- From: emile via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:13 pm Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Mar 20 17:44:16 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:44:16 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: <15aed9fbb10-68b5-da68@webprd-m104.mail.aol.com> References: <061a01d2a1be$b888ffd0$299aff70$@nl> <15aed9fbb10-68b5-da68@webprd-m104.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <063301d2a1c3$1fb388c0$5f1a9a40$@nl> Vance, Try translation software ; There is some about the history. Now you can afford one; latest bid is Euro 3200,- Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: maandag 20 maart 2017 22:29 Aan: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub This model was used in the Bond movie "The Spy Who Loved Me." Curt Jurgens was the bad guy. And this particular sub was the one built (or rebuilt) by Mike Stahle at SST in Mangonia Park (near Riviera Beach) after Perry folded completely. I don't know if it is the one used in the movie, but it could very well have been. They built several, mostly for the US Navy, I think. I had a good look at this one in Mike's shop, tried to buy it, and found out that once again I couldn't afford Perry subs, even the wet ones. Vance -----Original Message----- From: emile via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:13 pm Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Mar 20 17:53:14 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: <061a01d2a1be$b888ffd0$299aff70$@nl> References: <061a01d2a1be$b888ffd0$299aff70$@nl> Message-ID: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Mar 20 20:01:20 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c@webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> Yes, that's the one!!! -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Mar 20 22:15:58 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> References: <061a01d2a1be$b888ffd0$299aff70$@nl> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 03:18:50 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744@mail.yahoo.com> References: <061a01d2a1be$b888ffd0$299aff70$@nl> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> <475759444.4352046.1490062558744@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> Hi Greg, On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. Br, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Hi Emile, I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? Thanks, Greg _____ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: James Bond wetsub > (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) > 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: > <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa > 9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have seen the movie.. > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films> > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170320/54797d0f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes, that's the one!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion org> > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > Located in Portugal > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170320/09ad2512/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic > domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > I have seen the movie.. > ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist > was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti > tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers > behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile > via Personal_Submersibles" An: > "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" org>???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..? > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, > Emile?_______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/993dbe02/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 > From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Greg, > > > > On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. > > Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer > on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the > acrylic or seat. > > > > Br, Emile > > > > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > Hi Emile, > > I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the > submarine? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > > > > _____ > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles MerlinSub at t-online.de%20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion org> > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/69747984/attachment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_8277.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24921 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: 20170321/69747984/attachment.jpe> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 04:41:22 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:41:22 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B27E28-5803-4DC4-8125-E3B23C033392@yahoo.com> Hi Frankie, the last Email I received from you was the one regarding pictures of the K250 arm. There is this animation with the manipulator operating about 2 minutes in to the video. Probably not quite what you want but may be helpful if no pictures are forthcoming. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DMxKWbuQfQ Alan Sent from my iPad > On 21/03/2017, at 9:12 PM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong > >> On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: James Bond wetsub >> (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) >> 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) >> 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) >> 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: >> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the >> reef rangers behind him. >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> >> >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> ? >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 >> From: via Personal_Submersibles >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Yes, that's the one!!! >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) >> From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg >> >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?_______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 >> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> >> >> On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. >> >> Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. >> >> >> >> Br, Emile >> >> >> >> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 >> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> Hi Emile, >> >> I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. >> >> >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >> >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_8277.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 24921 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 >> ***************************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 04:53:07 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:53:07 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <44B27E28-5803-4DC4-8125-E3B23C033392@yahoo.com> References: <44B27E28-5803-4DC4-8125-E3B23C033392@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869F9B67-D436-4FA2-B21C-F95BCA15FE39@yahoo.com> Frankie, there are a couple of videos of Snoopy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6LjTigHQfI & https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ededQePmA & https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=12XqUORL8yc I am the intelligent looking person in the white T shirt at the start. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 21/03/2017, at 9:41 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Frankie, > the last Email I received from you was the one regarding pictures of the K250 arm. > There is this animation with the manipulator operating about 2 minutes in to > the video. Probably not quite what you want but may be helpful if no pictures > are forthcoming. > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DMxKWbuQfQ > Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 21/03/2017, at 9:12 PM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong >> >>> On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: >>> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: James Bond wetsub >>> (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) >>> 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) >>> 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) >>> 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) >>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >>> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> Message-ID: >>> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> I have seen the movie.. >>> >>> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >>> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >>> >>> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the >>> reef rangers behind him. >>> >>> Lot of submarines in that movie. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >>> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >>> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Located in Portugal >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards, Emile >>> >>> ? >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 >>> From: via Personal_Submersibles >>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Yes, that's the one!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> >>> >>> >>> I have seen the movie.. >>> >>> >>> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >>> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >>> >>> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. >>> >>> Lot of submarines in that movie. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >>> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >>> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >>> >>> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >>> >>> Located in Portugal >>> >>> Best regards, Emile >>> >>> ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) >>> From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >>> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg >>> >>> >>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> >>> I have seen the movie.. >>> ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?_______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 >>> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles >>> >>> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi Greg, >>> >>> >>> >>> On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. >>> >>> Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. >>> >>> >>> >>> Br, Emile >>> >>> >>> >>> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >>> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 >>> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Emile, >>> >>> I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> >>> >>> >>> I have seen the movie.. >>> >>> >>> >>> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >>> >>> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. >>> >>> >>> >>> Lot of submarines in that movie. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>> >>> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >>> >>> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >>> >>> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >>> >>> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >>> >>> >>> >>> Located in Portugal >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards, Emile >>> >>> ? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: IMG_8277.JPG >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 24921 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 >>> ***************************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 09:22:25 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> References: <061a01d2a1be$b888ffd0$299aff70$@nl> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> <475759444.4352046.1490062558744@mail.yahoo.com> <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> Message-ID: <651909729.4591426.1490102545262@mail.yahoo.com> Emile, I used Sikaflex on my dome as well but I am thinking about switching to an O-ring. Did you ever have any problems with the sikaflex? Thanks,Greg From: emile via Personal_Submersibles To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub #yiv4312921269 #yiv4312921269 -- _filtered #yiv4312921269 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4312921269 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4312921269 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4312921269 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4312921269 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv4312921269 #yiv4312921269 p.yiv4312921269MsoNormal, #yiv4312921269 li.yiv4312921269MsoNormal, #yiv4312921269 div.yiv4312921269MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv4312921269 a:link, #yiv4312921269 span.yiv4312921269MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4312921269 a:visited, #yiv4312921269 span.yiv4312921269MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4312921269 p.yiv4312921269MsoAcetate, #yiv4312921269 li.yiv4312921269MsoAcetate, #yiv4312921269 div.yiv4312921269MsoAcetate {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv4312921269 span.yiv4312921269E-mailStijl17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv4312921269 span.yiv4312921269BallontekstChar {}#yiv4312921269 .yiv4312921269MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv4312921269 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt;}#yiv4312921269 div.yiv4312921269WordSection1 {}#yiv4312921269 Hi Greg, ?On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex.Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. ?Br, Emile ?Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub ?Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg ? ?From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub ?I have seen the movie.. ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Vance -----Original Message----- From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles ; personal_submersibles-request Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to personal_submersibles at psubs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: James Bond wetsub (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 From: emile via Personal_Submersibles To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Greg, On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. Br, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Hi Emile, I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? Thanks, Greg _____ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 14:22:02 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:22:02 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> References: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know where I can buy one of those? Thanks Rick On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. > Vance > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: personal_submersibles ; > personal_submersibles-request > Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > > Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong > > On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: James Bond wetsub > (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) > 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: > <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10 > 211 at spica.telekom.de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have seen the movie.. > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > -reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films> > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170320/54797d0f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes, that's the one!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > Located in Portugal > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170320/09ad2512/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic > domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > I have seen the movie.. > ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist > was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti > tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers > behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile > via Personal_Submersibles" An: > "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org>???Never seen this one in a movie > ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle- > uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in > Portugal?Best regards, Emile?________________________ > _______________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170321/993dbe02/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 > From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Greg, > > > > On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. > > Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer > on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the > acrylic or seat. > > > > Br, Emile > > > > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] > Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > Hi Emile, > > I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the > submarine? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > > > > _____ > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles MerlinSub at t-online.de%20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/attachment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_8277.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24921 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/attachment.jpe> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > ***************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 15:37:55 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:37:55 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be very appreciated thanks again -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 15:45:30 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <715602991.590965.1490125530591@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Frankie,Answers to questions are?voluntary, some people are not always comfortable ?answering a question or maybe the answer is not readily available by the people seeing the question. ? I am always willing to put my two cents worth into the conversation, if I can. ?Hank On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:38 PM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be very appreciated thanks again?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 15:52:07 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: References: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <402607786.834581.1490125927372@mail.yahoo.com> Rick,Are you going to use a Thorpe style flow meter in the hull? Greg From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it.?I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know where I can buy one of those?? Thanks Rick On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles ; personal_submersibles-request Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong? On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles at psubs.or g To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles-request@ psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles-owner at ps ubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: ? ?1. Re: James Bond wetsub ? ? ? (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" ? ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: ? ? ? ? <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad6 95eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10 211 at spica.telekom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.14900625587 44 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg ? ? ? From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" ?To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ?Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM ?Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht---- -Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.cataw iki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- submersible-reef-ranger-duikbo ot-divers-propulsion-vehicle- uit-de-james-bond-films-en- ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?________________________ _______________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 From: emile via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? ? To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf2 0$@nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Greg, On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. Br, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Hi Emile, I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? Thanks, Greg ? _____ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be very appreciated thanks again?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 15:58:15 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:58:15 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> References: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <03eb01d2a27d$7d035db0$770a1910$@gmail.com> Hey Vance, You still alive. Thought you were buried at the trench and was now a just a legend along with Captain Nemo. When are you coming down to NZ.? I need some inspiration. Cheers, Hugh From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2017 5:16 AM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles ; personal_submersibles-request Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to personal_submersibles at psubs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: James Bond wetsub (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 From: via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Yes, that's the one!!! -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 From: emile via Personal_Submersibles To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Greg, On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. Br, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Hi Emile, I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? Thanks, Greg _____ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53C744B3-ACBE-4C09-B49D-CB9A9DFFD99F@yahoo.com> Frankie, if you ask questions on the web forum you are not likely to get an answer as I don't think anyone goes on that. When I first posted on there, fortunately someone saw it & directed me to this email based discussion. If you get your own email back via the psubs mail list you can guarantee that someone has seen it. I have had plenty of no replies, & take it that no one has an answer at the time. You can always repeat the question later in case a qualified person wasn't listening in previously. Did you get my email with video links ??? Alan Sent from my iPad > On 22/03/2017, at 8:37 AM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be very appreciated thanks again > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 16:11:45 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:11:45 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? In-Reply-To: <312800539.4932510.1490126192801@mail.yahoo.com> References: <312800539.4932510.1490126192801@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Frankie, My previous boat was a K250 and there are a couple of photos of the mechanical arm on this page: http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2010/ On Snoopy I made the parts that have movement of 316 to reduce maintenance (moving parts scape off their own paint), and if I were to make this again I'd just make the whole thing of 316 for that reason. The material cost would not be much. Also, where it goes bolted to the hull go heavy with the bolts. I had 1/4" bolts and sheared them all off when I hit a rock under tow. The arm turned into a pretzel and I had to make a new one. It's effectively your bumper in the K250, so make it beefy. You might also want to consider the next round of changes that followed in 2012. Here's the link: http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2012/ Best, Alec On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:56 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Frankie. Tell us about your build. > Greg > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:42 PM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be > very appreciated thanks again > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 16:26:32 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:26:32 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: References: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <75C6AF05-AC9A-4525-9E80-9EE379A75903@yahoo.com> Rick, it may depend on where your most reliable source of O2 supply is. I went with an O2 cleaned first stage because I could get fills through a dive shop that specialised in mixed gas diving. They made me do a padi emergency oxygen provider course first. This is a very short course, & you get another card for your wallet that may also give you credentials if you want to fill anywhere else. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 22/03/2017, at 7:22 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know where I can buy one of those? > > Thanks > > Rick > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. >> Vance >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles >> To: personal_submersibles ; personal_submersibles-request >> Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 >> >> Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong >> >> On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: James Bond wetsub >> (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) >> 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) >> 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) >> 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: >> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the >> reef rangers behind him. >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> >> >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> ? >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 >> From: via Personal_Submersibles >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Yes, that's the one!!! >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) >> From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg >> >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?_______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 >> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> >> >> On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. >> >> Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. >> >> >> >> Br, Emile >> >> >> >> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 >> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> Hi Emile, >> >> I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. >> >> >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >> >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_8277.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 24921 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 >> ***************************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 16:30:34 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:30:34 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general In-Reply-To: References: <312800539.4932510.1490126192801@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7936ba04-f52b-3c1d-c0a9-c9cab1cc8ef3@ohiohills.com> Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 16:49:33 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:49:33 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey guys thanks for responding are there any pics of the worm gear or crank assembly that drives it through the through hull my plans don't have that info I'm working with the state of Florida's independent ecological protection agencies in regards to photographing effects on dumping in our bay and will be recovering said proof and obtaining photos to use in court against certain corporations at fault for illegal dumping in water ways the k250 I'm building will be a huge part of an ongoing effort to maintain and revitalize the heath of our bay and economic system by retrieving proof and photographic updates on the situation On Mar 21, 2017 4:27 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to personal_submersibles at psubs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) 2. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) 3. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:08:35 +1300 From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? Message-ID: <53C744B3-ACBE-4C09-B49D-CB9A9DFFD99F at yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Frankie, if you ask questions on the web forum you are not likely to get an answer as I don't think anyone goes on that. When I first posted on there, fortunately someone saw it & directed me to this email based discussion. If you get your own email back via the psubs mail list you can guarantee that someone has seen it. I have had plenty of no replies, & take it that no one has an answer at the time. You can always repeat the question later in case a qualified person wasn't listening in previously. Did you get my email with video links ??? Alan Sent from my iPad > On 22/03/2017, at 8:37 AM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be very appreciated thanks again > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:11:45 -0400 From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Frankie, My previous boat was a K250 and there are a couple of photos of the mechanical arm on this page: http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2010/ On Snoopy I made the parts that have movement of 316 to reduce maintenance (moving parts scape off their own paint), and if I were to make this again I'd just make the whole thing of 316 for that reason. The material cost would not be much. Also, where it goes bolted to the hull go heavy with the bolts. I had 1/4" bolts and sheared them all off when I hit a rock under tow. The arm turned into a pretzel and I had to make a new one. It's effectively your bumper in the K250, so make it beefy. You might also want to consider the next round of changes that followed in 2012. Here's the link: http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2012/ Best, Alec On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:56 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Frankie. Tell us about your build. > Greg > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:42 PM > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be > very appreciated thanks again > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:26:32 +1300 From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Message-ID: <75C6AF05-AC9A-4525-9E80-9EE379A75903 at yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rick, it may depend on where your most reliable source of O2 supply is. I went with an O2 cleaned first stage because I could get fills through a dive shop that specialised in mixed gas diving. They made me do a padi emergency oxygen provider course first. This is a very short course, & you get another card for your wallet that may also give you credentials if you want to fill anywhere else. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 22/03/2017, at 7:22 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know where I can buy one of those? > > Thanks > > Rick > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. >> Vance >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: personal_submersibles ; personal_submersibles-request >> Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 >> >> Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong >> >> On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: James Bond wetsub >> (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) >> 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) >> 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) >> 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: >> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa 9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the >> reef rangers behind him. >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> >> >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> ? >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 >> From: via Personal_Submersibles >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Yes, that's the one!!! >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) >> From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg >> >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling. catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?_______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 >> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> >> >> On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. >> >> Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. >> >> >> >> Br, Emile >> >> >> >> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 >> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> Hi Emile, >> >> I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. >> >> >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" >> >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_8277.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 24921 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 >> ***************************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would hate to have my friends talking about my 12 year old chasing a pussy with an erector. -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2017 9:31 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 17:33:51 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:33:51 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? Message-ID: How far along are you on the build? Mark has a line on an original Kittredge built VAST boat for sale in Maryland. Brian and the good submarine boat Harold Get Outlook for Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 18:22:11 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 23:22:11 +0100 (MET) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1490134931906.2586448.4a4d25cb2e86c9d63ec9a215ef0112a6fe18572a@spica.telekom.de> Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut under construction. Seems a copy of Kraka size with the outlines of Nautilus. https://www.klabauterkiste.de/das-selbstbau-u-boot/ vbr Carsten ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 20:19:16 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:19:16 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't have the k250 plans, but I figure it's just an ACME threaded rod. They have square threads and are used for linear actuators. There is just a crank on the inside of the hull to turn the whole shaft through an (o ring?)sealed shaft penetration. On Mar 21, 2017 4:50 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mechanical arms in general > (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 > (Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:30:34 -0400 > From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general > Message-ID: <7936ba04-f52b-3c1d-c0a9-c9cab1cc8ef3 at ohiohills.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that > there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. > > (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are > no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with > the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) > > > Mike > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:49:33 -0400 > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 45 > Message-ID: > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey guys thanks for responding are there any pics of the worm gear or crank > assembly that drives it through the through hull my plans don't have that > info I'm working with the state of Florida's independent ecological > protection agencies in regards to photographing effects on dumping in our > bay and will be recovering said proof and obtaining photos to use in court > against certain corporations at fault for illegal dumping in water ways the > k250 I'm building will be a huge part of an ongoing effort to maintain and > revitalize the heath of our bay and economic system by retrieving proof and > photographic updates on the situation > > On Mar 21, 2017 4:27 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? > (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:08:35 +1300 > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > Message-ID: <53C744B3-ACBE-4C09-B49D-CB9A9DFFD99F at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Frankie, > if you ask questions on the web forum you are not likely to get an > answer as I don't think anyone goes on that. > When I first posted on there, fortunately someone saw it & directed > me to this email based discussion. > If you get your own email back via the psubs mail list you can guarantee > that someone has seen it. I have had plenty of no replies, & take it > that no one has an answer at the time. You can always repeat the question > later in case a qualified person wasn't listening in previously. > Did you get my email with video links ??? > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 22/03/2017, at 8:37 AM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be > very appreciated thanks again > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:11:45 -0400 > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Frankie, > > My previous boat was a K250 and there are a couple of photos of the > mechanical arm on this page: > > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2010/ > > On Snoopy I made the parts that have movement of 316 to reduce maintenance > (moving parts scape off their own paint), and if I were to make this again > I'd just make the whole thing of 316 for that reason. The material cost > would not be much. Also, where it goes bolted to the hull go heavy with the > bolts. I had 1/4" bolts and sheared them all off when I hit a rock under > tow. The arm turned into a pretzel and I had to make a new one. It's > effectively your bumper in the K250, so make it beefy. You might also want > to consider the next round of changes that followed in 2012. Here's the > link: > > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2012/ > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:56 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hi Frankie. Tell us about your build. > > Greg > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:42 PM > > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > > > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it > > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would > be > > very appreciated thanks again > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/f5c8b679/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:26:32 +1300 > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > Message-ID: <75C6AF05-AC9A-4525-9E80-9EE379A75903 at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Rick, > it may depend on where your most reliable source of O2 supply is. > I went with an O2 cleaned first stage because I could get fills through > a dive shop that specialised in mixed gas diving. They made me do > a padi emergency oxygen provider course first. This is a very short > course, & you get another card for your wallet that may also give you > credentials if you want to fill anywhere else. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 22/03/2017, at 7:22 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear > from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a > scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using > an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. > > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator > as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with > getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to > fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting > to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know > where I can buy one of those? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rick > > > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: personal_submersibles ; > personal_submersibles-request > >> Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue > 38 > >> > >> Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong > >> > >> On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_ > submersibles > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: James Bond wetsub > >> (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > >> 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) > >> 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) > >> 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: > >> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa > 9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > >> > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > the > >> reef rangers behind him. > >> > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > >> > >> > >> > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > >> submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films> > >> > >> > >> > >> Located in Portugal > >> > >> > >> > >> Best regards, Emile > >> > >> ? > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170320/54797d0f/attachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 > >> From: via Personal_Submersibles > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Yes, that's the one!!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> > >> > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > >> > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > the reef rangers behind him. > >> > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > >> > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > >> > >> Located in Portugal > >> > >> Best regards, Emile > >> > >> ? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170320/09ad2512/attachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) > >> From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic > domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg > >> > >> > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist > was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti > tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers > behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. > ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile > via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal > Submersibles General Discussion'" >???Never > seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling. > catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, > Emile?_______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170321/993dbe02/attachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 > >> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi Greg, > >> > >> > >> > >> On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. > >> > >> Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a > chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in > the acrylic or seat. > >> > >> > >> > >> Br, Emile > >> > >> > >> > >> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- > bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > >> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 > >> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Emile, > >> > >> I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and > the submarine? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles MerlinSub at t-online.de%20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> > >> > >> > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > >> > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > >> > >> > >> > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > the reef rangers behind him. > >> > >> > >> > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > >> > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > >> > >> > >> > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > >> > >> > >> > >> Located in Portugal > >> > >> > >> > >> Best regards, Emile > >> > >> ? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170321/69747984/attachment.html> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: IMG_8277.JPG > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 24921 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170321/69747984/attachment.jpe> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > >> ***************************************************** > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170322/a1726cd8/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/e338b4b0/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 20:44:14 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:44:14 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: q7FrcAOtKsVy3q7FscAcEE References: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> q7FrcAOtKsVy3q7FscAcEE Message-ID: <007501d2a2a5$6f03a8a0$4d0af9e0$@telus.net> I watched the Reef Ranger auction to completion, it went for about $9500. Vance, were you the one who bought this one? A very good deal considering that Hall's in Marathon was offered $50,000 for theirs and was declined. Rick in Hawaii had a couple but I never did get his price. Vance, you mentioned that the molds and tooling may be available from the defunct SST. Any thoughts? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:01 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Yes, that's the one!!! -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 21:04:19 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:04:19 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 47 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've ordered the inner rings and rolled conning tower and hull but am interested in the original Kittredge do you have contact or listing info on the and price it would be faster to restore one if I could and just update the acrylics On Mar 21, 2017 8:20 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to personal_submersibles at psubs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mechanical arms in general (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) 2. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? (Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles) 3. Re: Mechanical arms in general (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles) 4. Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) 5. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 (River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:03:20 +1300 From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general Message-ID: <042101d2a286$94989270$bdc9b750$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mike, Your parents did the right thing. I would hate to have my friends talking about my 12 year old chasing a pussy with an erector. -----Original Message----- From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2017 9:31 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:33:51 +0000 From: Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How far along are you on the build? Mark has a line on an original Kittredge built VAST boat for sale in Maryland. Brian and the good submarine boat Harold Get Outlook for Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 23:22:11 +0100 (MET) From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut Message-ID: <1490134931906.2586448.4a4d25cb2e86c9d63ec9a215ef0112 a6fe18572a at spica.telekom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut under construction. Seems a copy of Kraka size with the outlines of Nautilus. https://www.klabauterkiste.de/das-selbstbau-u-boot/ vbr Carsten ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:19:16 -0400 From: River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I don't have the k250 plans, but I figure it's just an ACME threaded rod. They have square threads and are used for linear actuators. There is just a crank on the inside of the hull to turn the whole shaft through an (o ring?)sealed shaft penetration. On Mar 21, 2017 4:50 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mechanical arms in general > (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 > (Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:30:34 -0400 > From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general > Message-ID: <7936ba04-f52b-3c1d-c0a9-c9cab1cc8ef3 at ohiohills.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that > there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. > > (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are > no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with > the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) > > > Mike > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:49:33 -0400 > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 45 > Message-ID: > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey guys thanks for responding are there any pics of the worm gear or crank > assembly that drives it through the through hull my plans don't have that > info I'm working with the state of Florida's independent ecological > protection agencies in regards to photographing effects on dumping in our > bay and will be recovering said proof and obtaining photos to use in court > against certain corporations at fault for illegal dumping in water ways the > k250 I'm building will be a huge part of an ongoing effort to maintain and > revitalize the heath of our bay and economic system by retrieving proof and > photographic updates on the situation > > On Mar 21, 2017 4:27 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? > (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:08:35 +1300 > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > Message-ID: <53C744B3-ACBE-4C09-B49D-CB9A9DFFD99F at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Frankie, > if you ask questions on the web forum you are not likely to get an > answer as I don't think anyone goes on that. > When I first posted on there, fortunately someone saw it & directed > me to this email based discussion. > If you get your own email back via the psubs mail list you can guarantee > that someone has seen it. I have had plenty of no replies, & take it > that no one has an answer at the time. You can always repeat the question > later in case a qualified person wasn't listening in previously. > Did you get my email with video links ??? > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 22/03/2017, at 8:37 AM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be > very appreciated thanks again > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:11:45 -0400 > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Frankie, > > My previous boat was a K250 and there are a couple of photos of the > mechanical arm on this page: > > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2010/ > > On Snoopy I made the parts that have movement of 316 to reduce maintenance > (moving parts scape off their own paint), and if I were to make this again > I'd just make the whole thing of 316 for that reason. The material cost > would not be much. Also, where it goes bolted to the hull go heavy with the > bolts. I had 1/4" bolts and sheared them all off when I hit a rock under > tow. The arm turned into a pretzel and I had to make a new one. It's > effectively your bumper in the K250, so make it beefy. You might also want > to consider the next round of changes that followed in 2012. Here's the > link: > > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2012/ > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:56 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hi Frankie. Tell us about your build. > > Greg > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:42 PM > > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > > > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it > > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would > be > > very appreciated thanks again > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/f5c8b679/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:26:32 +1300 > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > Message-ID: <75C6AF05-AC9A-4525-9E80-9EE379A75903 at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Rick, > it may depend on where your most reliable source of O2 supply is. > I went with an O2 cleaned first stage because I could get fills through > a dive shop that specialised in mixed gas diving. They made me do > a padi emergency oxygen provider course first. This is a very short > course, & you get another card for your wallet that may also give you > credentials if you want to fill anywhere else. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 22/03/2017, at 7:22 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear > from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a > scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using > an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. > > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator > as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with > getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to > fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting > to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know > where I can buy one of those? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rick > > > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: personal_submersibles ; > personal_submersibles-request > >> Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue > 38 > >> > >> Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong > >> > >> On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_ > submersibles > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: James Bond wetsub > >> (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > >> 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) > >> 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) > >> 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: > >> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa > 9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > >> > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > the > >> reef rangers behind him. > >> > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > >> > >> > >> > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > >> submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films> > >> > >> > >> > >> Located in Portugal > >> > >> > >> > >> Best regards, Emile > >> > >> ? > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170320/54797d0f/attachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 > >> From: via Personal_Submersibles > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Yes, that's the one!!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> > >> > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > >> > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > the reef rangers behind him. > >> > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > >> > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > >> > >> Located in Portugal > >> > >> Best regards, Emile > >> > >> ? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170320/09ad2512/attachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) > >> From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic > domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg > >> > >> > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist > was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti > tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers > behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. > ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile > via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal > Submersibles General Discussion'" >???Never > seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling. > catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, > Emile?_______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170321/993dbe02/attachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 > >> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi Greg, > >> > >> > >> > >> On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. > >> > >> Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a > chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in > the acrylic or seat. > >> > >> > >> > >> Br, Emile > >> > >> > >> > >> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- > bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > >> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 > >> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Emile, > >> > >> I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and > the submarine? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles MerlinSub at t-online.de%20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> > >> > >> > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > >> > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > >> > >> > >> > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > the reef rangers behind him. > >> > >> > >> > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > >> > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > >> > >> > >> > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > >> > >> > >> > >> Located in Portugal > >> > >> > >> > >> Best regards, Emile > >> > >> ? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170321/69747984/attachment.html> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: IMG_8277.JPG > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 24921 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: submersibles/attachments/ > 20170321/69747984/attachment.jpe> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > >> ***************************************************** > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170322/a1726cd8/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/e338b4b0/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ------------------------------ End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 47 ***************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 21:22:59 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:22:59 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, I don't have a picture of the crank but it was elementary. Nothing but a SS bar going through a couple of inches of bored SS bar and sealed with O rings. BTW your project is of great interest... may I ask you to contact me off list please? My email is alecsmyth at gmail.com. Thanks, Alec On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hey guys thanks for responding are there any pics of the worm gear or > crank assembly that drives it through the through hull my plans don't have > that info I'm working with the state of Florida's independent ecological > protection agencies in regards to photographing effects on dumping in our > bay and will be recovering said proof and obtaining photos to use in court > against certain corporations at fault for illegal dumping in water ways the > k250 I'm building will be a huge part of an ongoing effort to maintain and > revitalize the heath of our bay and economic system by retrieving proof and > photographic updates on the situation > > On Mar 21, 2017 4:27 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? > (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:08:35 +1300 > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > Message-ID: <53C744B3-ACBE-4C09-B49D-CB9A9DFFD99F at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Frankie, > if you ask questions on the web forum you are not likely to get an > answer as I don't think anyone goes on that. > When I first posted on there, fortunately someone saw it & directed > me to this email based discussion. > If you get your own email back via the psubs mail list you can guarantee > that someone has seen it. I have had plenty of no replies, & take it > that no one has an answer at the time. You can always repeat the question > later in case a qualified person wasn't listening in previously. > Did you get my email with video links ??? > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 22/03/2017, at 8:37 AM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is > it a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be > very appreciated thanks again > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:11:45 -0400 > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > Message-ID: > ail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Frankie, > > My previous boat was a K250 and there are a couple of photos of the > mechanical arm on this page: > > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2010/ > > On Snoopy I made the parts that have movement of 316 to reduce maintenance > (moving parts scape off their own paint), and if I were to make this again > I'd just make the whole thing of 316 for that reason. The material cost > would not be much. Also, where it goes bolted to the hull go heavy with the > bolts. I had 1/4" bolts and sheared them all off when I hit a rock under > tow. The arm turned into a pretzel and I had to make a new one. It's > effectively your bumper in the K250, so make it beefy. You might also want > to consider the next round of changes that followed in 2012. Here's the > link: > > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2012/ > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:56 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hi Frankie. Tell us about your build. > > Greg > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:42 PM > > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > > > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is it > > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would > be > > very appreciated thanks again > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170321/f5c8b679/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:26:32 +1300 > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > Message-ID: <75C6AF05-AC9A-4525-9E80-9EE379A75903 at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Rick, > it may depend on where your most reliable source of O2 supply is. > I went with an O2 cleaned first stage because I could get fills through > a dive shop that specialised in mixed gas diving. They made me do > a padi emergency oxygen provider course first. This is a very short > course, & you get another card for your wallet that may also give you > credentials if you want to fill anywhere else. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 22/03/2017, at 7:22 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to > hear from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are > using a scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are > they using an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. > > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator > as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with > getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to > fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting > to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know > where I can buy one of those? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rick > > > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. > >> Vance > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: personal_submersibles ; > personal_submersibles-request > >> Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > >> > >> Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong > >> > >> On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_ > submersibles > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: James Bond wetsub > >> (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > >> 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) > >> 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) > >> 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: > >> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd1 > 0211 at spica.telekom.de> > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > >> > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > the > >> reef rangers behind him. > >> > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > >> > >> > >> > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > >> -reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films> > >> > >> > >> > >> Located in Portugal > >> > >> > >> > >> Best regards, Emile > >> > >> ? > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: attachments/20170320/54797d0f/attachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 > >> From: via Personal_Submersibles > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Yes, that's the one!!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> > >> > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > >> > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > the reef rangers behind him. > >> > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > >> > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > >> > >> Located in Portugal > >> > >> Best regards, Emile > >> > >> ? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: attachments/20170320/09ad2512/attachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) > >> From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic > domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg > >> > >> > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think > ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a > anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers > behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: > [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile > via Personal_Submersibles" An: > "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org>???Never seen this one in a movie > ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle- > uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in > Portugal?Best regards, Emile?________________________ > _______________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: attachments/20170321/993dbe02/attachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 > >> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > >> > >> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi Greg, > >> > >> > >> > >> On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. > >> > >> Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a > chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in > the acrylic or seat. > >> > >> > >> > >> Br, Emile > >> > >> > >> > >> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- > bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > >> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 > >> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > >> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Emile, > >> > >> I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and > the submarine? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles MerlinSub at t-online.de%20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> > >> > >> I have seen the movie.. > >> > >> > >> > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > >> > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > >> > >> > >> > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > the reef rangers behind him. > >> > >> > >> > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > >> > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > >> > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > >> > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > >> > >> > >> > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > >> > >> > >> > >> Located in Portugal > >> > >> > >> > >> Best regards, Emile > >> > >> ? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/attachment.html> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: IMG_8277.JPG > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 24921 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/attachment.jpe> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > >> ***************************************************** > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170322/a1726cd8/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 > ***************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 21 23:30:28 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 23:30:28 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST Message-ID: Also interested in more details about the Maryland VAST boat. These were structurally the same as the later K250's? From what I can gather there are minor differences in the varaible ballast system, is this right? Or is the only difference that one was built in Kittredge's shop? On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:03 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: James Bond wetsub (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 47 > (Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:44:14 -0700 > From: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <007501d2a2a5$6f03a8a0$4d0af9e0$@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I watched the Reef Ranger auction to completion, it went for about $9500. > Vance, were you the one who bought this one? A very good deal considering > that Hall's in Marathon was offered $50,000 for theirs and was declined. > Rick in Hawaii had a couple but I never did get his price. > > > > Vance, you mentioned that the molds and tooling may be available from the > defunct SST. Any thoughts? > > Tim > > > > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- > bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:01 PM > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > Yes, that's the one!!! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via > Personal_Submersibles personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion org > > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > I have seen the movie.. > > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/88744995/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:04:19 -0400 > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 47 > Message-ID: > 6hxQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I've ordered the inner rings and rolled conning tower and hull but am > interested in the original Kittredge do you have contact or listing info on > the and price it would be faster to restore one if I could and just update > the acrylics > > On Mar 21, 2017 8:20 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mechanical arms in general > (Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? > (Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Re: Mechanical arms in general > (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles) > 4. Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut > (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > 5. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 > (River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:03:20 +1300 > From: Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general > Message-ID: <042101d2a286$94989270$bdc9b750$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mike, > Your parents did the right thing. I would hate to have my friends talking > about my 12 year old chasing a pussy with an erector. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- > bounces at psubs.org] > On Behalf Of Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Wednesday, 22 March 2017 9:31 AM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general > > Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that > there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. > > (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are no > photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with the > thing and I had to disassemble the device..) > > > Mike > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:33:51 +0000 > From: Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "personal_submersibles at psubs.org" > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > Message-ID: > namprd20.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > How far along are you on the build? Mark has a line on an original > Kittredge built VAST boat for sale in Maryland. > > Brian and the good submarine boat Harold > > Get Outlook for Android > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/8bd7b882/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:47:19 -0400 > From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general > Message-ID: <6ac85ad3-eb7c-dec3-dee3-0df34cf59216 at ohiohills.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 3/21/2017 5:03 PM, Hugh Fulton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Mike, > > Your parents did the right thing. I would hate to have my friends > talking > > about my 12 year old chasing a pussy with an erector. > Kids never get any respect for expressing an adult level of imagination. > > > Mike > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 23:22:11 +0100 (MET) > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut > Message-ID: > <1490134931906.2586448.4a4d25cb2e86c9d63ec9a215ef0112 > a6fe18572a at spica.telekom.de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut under construction. > Seems a copy of Kraka size with the outlines of Nautilus. > > https://www.klabauterkiste.de/das-selbstbau-u-boot/ > > > > vbr Carsten > ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/b158bf4d/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:19:16 -0400 > From: River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 46 > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I don't have the k250 plans, but I figure it's just an ACME threaded rod. > They have square threads and are used for linear actuators. There is just a > crank on the inside of the hull to turn the whole shaft through an (o > ring?)sealed shaft penetration. > > On Mar 21, 2017 4:50 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Mechanical arms in general > > (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles) > > 2. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 > > (Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:30:34 -0400 > > From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles > > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general > > Message-ID: <7936ba04-f52b-3c1d-c0a9-c9cab1cc8ef3 at ohiohills.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that > > there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. > > > > (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are > > no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with > > the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:49:33 -0400 > > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles > > > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, > > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > > Issue 45 > > Message-ID: > > > mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hey guys thanks for responding are there any pics of the worm gear or > crank > > assembly that drives it through the through hull my plans don't have that > > info I'm working with the state of Florida's independent ecological > > protection agencies in regards to photographing effects on dumping in our > > bay and will be recovering said proof and obtaining photos to use in > court > > against certain corporations at fault for illegal dumping in water ways > the > > k250 I'm building will be a huge part of an ongoing effort to maintain > and > > revitalize the heath of our bay and economic system by retrieving proof > and > > photographic updates on the situation > > > > On Mar 21, 2017 4:27 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > > 2. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? > > (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) > > 3. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > > (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:08:35 +1300 > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > > Message-ID: <53C744B3-ACBE-4C09-B49D-CB9A9DFFD99F at yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Frankie, > > if you ask questions on the web forum you are not likely to get an > > answer as I don't think anyone goes on that. > > When I first posted on there, fortunately someone saw it & directed > > me to this email based discussion. > > If you get your own email back via the psubs mail list you can guarantee > > that someone has seen it. I have had plenty of no replies, & take it > > that no one has an answer at the time. You can always repeat the question > > later in case a qualified person wasn't listening in previously. > > Did you get my email with video links ??? > > Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On 22/03/2017, at 8:37 AM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is > it > > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would > be > > very appreciated thanks again > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:11:45 -0400 > > From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > > Message-ID: > > > gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Frankie, > > > > My previous boat was a K250 and there are a couple of photos of the > > mechanical arm on this page: > > > > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2010/ > > > > On Snoopy I made the parts that have movement of 316 to reduce > maintenance > > (moving parts scape off their own paint), and if I were to make this > again > > I'd just make the whole thing of 316 for that reason. The material cost > > would not be much. Also, where it goes bolted to the hull go heavy with > the > > bolts. I had 1/4" bolts and sheared them all off when I hit a rock under > > tow. The arm turned into a pretzel and I had to make a new one. It's > > effectively your bumper in the K250, so make it beefy. You might also > want > > to consider the next round of changes that followed in 2012. Here's the > > link: > > > > http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2012/ > > > > > > Best, > > > > Alec > > > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:56 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > > Hi Frankie. Tell us about your build. > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > *From:* Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:42 PM > > > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? > > > > > > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is > it > > > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be > > > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would > > be > > > very appreciated thanks again > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > 20170321/f5c8b679/attachment-0001.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:26:32 +1300 > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > > Issue 38 > > Message-ID: <75C6AF05-AC9A-4525-9E80-9EE379A75903 at yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Rick, > > it may depend on where your most reliable source of O2 supply is. > > I went with an O2 cleaned first stage because I could get fills through > > a dive shop that specialised in mixed gas diving. They made me do > > a padi emergency oxygen provider course first. This is a very short > > course, & you get another card for your wallet that may also give you > > credentials if you want to fill anywhere else. > > Alan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On 22/03/2017, at 7:22 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > > > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to > hear > > from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using > a > > scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they > using > > an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. > > > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage > regulator > > as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with > > getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing > to > > fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba > fitting > > to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone > know > > where I can buy one of those? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Rick > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > >> Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. > > >> Vance > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > >> To: personal_submersibles ; > > personal_submersibles-request > > >> Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue > > 38 > > >> > > >> Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this > wrong > > >> > > >> On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > > >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > >> > > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_ > > submersibles > > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org > > >> > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > > >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org > > >> > > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > >> > > >> > > >> Today's Topics: > > >> > > >> 1. Re: James Bond wetsub > > >> (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > > >> 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) > > >> 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) > > >> 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > > >> > > >> Message: 1 > > >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) > > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > > >> > > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> Message-ID: > > >> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa > > 9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> > > >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >> > > >> I have seen the movie.. > > >> > > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > >> > > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > > the > > >> reef rangers behind him. > > >> > > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" org > > > > > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > > submersible-reef-ranger- > > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > >> > submersible-reef-ranger- > > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Located in Portugal > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Best regards, Emile > > >> > > >> ? > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > >> URL: > submersibles/attachments/ > > 20170320/54797d0f/attachment-0001.html> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Message: 2 > > >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 > > >> From: via Personal_Submersibles > > >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >> > > >> Yes, that's the one!!! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > >> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I have seen the movie.. > > >> > > >> > > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > >> > > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > > the reef rangers behind him. > > >> > > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" org > > > > > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > >> > > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > > submersible-reef-ranger- > > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > >> > > >> Located in Portugal > > >> > > >> Best regards, Emile > > >> > > >> ? > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > >> URL: > submersibles/attachments/ > > 20170320/09ad2512/attachment-0001.html> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Message: 3 > > >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) > > >> From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > > >> > > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >> > > >> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic > > domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg > > >> > > >> > > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> > > >> I have seen the movie.. > > >> ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think > ist > > was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti > > tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers > > behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. > > ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: > > [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: > "emile > > via Personal_Submersibles" An: > "'Personal > > Submersibles General Discussion'" > >???Never > > seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling. > > catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- > > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best > regards, > > Emile?_______________________________________________ > > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > >> URL: > submersibles/attachments/ > > 20170321/993dbe02/attachment-0001.html> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Message: 4 > > >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 > > >> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > > >> > > >> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >> > > >> Hi Greg, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. > > >> > > >> Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a > > chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in > > the acrylic or seat. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Br, Emile > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- > > bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > > >> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 > > >> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > >> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi Emile, > > >> > > >> I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and > > the submarine? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Greg > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _____ > > >> > > >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > MerlinSub at t-online.de%20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I have seen the movie.. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > > >> > > >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of > > the reef rangers behind him. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Lot of submarines in that movie. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original-Nachricht----- > > >> > > >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > >> > > >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > > >> > > >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" org > > > > > >> > > >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < > > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > > submersible-reef-ranger- > > duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- > > films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Located in Portugal > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Best regards, Emile > > >> > > >> ? > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > >> URL: > submersibles/attachments/ > > 20170321/69747984/attachment.html> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >> Name: IMG_8277.JPG > > >> Type: image/jpeg > > >> Size: 24921 bytes > > >> Desc: not available > > >> URL: > submersibles/attachments/ > > 20170321/69747984/attachment.jpe> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Subject: Digest Footer > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > > >> ***************************************************** > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > 20170322/a1726cd8/attachment.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 > > ***************************************************** > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > 20170321/e338b4b0/attachment.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 > > ***************************************************** > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/141a69d7/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 47 > ***************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20170321/77f4cbcf/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 48 > ***************************************************** > -- -River J. Dolfi 412-997-2526 rdolfi7 at gmail.com rwd5301 at psu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 00:34:16 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:34:16 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <402607786.834581.1490125927372@mail.yahoo.com> References: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> <402607786.834581.1490125927372@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greg I haven't ordered one yet and that was going to be one of my next questions as I wasn't sure what others are using. I am all ears. Rick On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > Are you going to use a Thorpe style flow meter in the hull? > > Greg > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear > from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a > scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using > an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator > as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with > getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to > fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting > to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know > where I can buy one of those? > > Thanks > > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. > Vance > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles org > > To: personal_submersibles >; personal_submersibles-request request at psubs.org > > Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > > Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong > > On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" org > wrote: > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.or g > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request@ psubs.org > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at ps ubs.org > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: James Bond wetsub > (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) > 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: > <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad6 95eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10 > 211 at spica.telekom.de > <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have seen the movie.. > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > -reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > > > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170320/54797d0f/ attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 > From: via Personal_Submersibles > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.or g > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd- a71.mail.aol.com > <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes, that's the one!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles rg > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion rg > > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" rg > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > > Located in Portugal > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170320/09ad2512/ attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.14900625587 44 at mail.yahoo.com > <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic > domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" rg > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion rg > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > I have seen the movie.. > ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist > was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti > tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers > behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. > ???-----Original-Nachricht---- -Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond > wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > >An: > "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" rg >???Never seen this one in a movie > ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.cataw iki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger-duikbo ot-divers-propulsion-vehicle- > uit-de-james-bond-films-en- ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?________________________ > _______________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170321/993dbe02/ attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 > From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf2 0$@nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Greg, > > > > On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. > > Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer > on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the > acrylic or seat. > > > > Br, Emile > > > > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- > bounces at psubs.org ] Namens james > cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > Hi Emile, > > I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the > submarine? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > > > > _____ > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles MerlinSub at t-online.de% 20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " rg > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion rg > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" rg > > > > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/ attachment.html > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_8277.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24921 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/ attachment.jpe > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > ****************************** *********************** > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 01:11:35 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:11:35 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Inspect the old VAST submarines carefully. They are old as the hills (almost) and may require more work to recondition than building a new K250. In particular, they had an integral internal hard ballast that would make it difficult to assess hull viability without some destruction and rebuilding of that element alone. Keep in mind that Kittredge submarines evolved from ideas and refinements that were learned from operational lessons with previous models. You can read the basic history of Kittredge submarines here: http://www.psubs.org/reference/publications/kittredgesubmarines.pdf Jon On 3/21/2017 11:30 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Also interested in more details about the Maryland VAST boat. These > were structurally the same as the later K250's? From what I can gather > there are minor differences in the varaible ballast system, is this > right? Or is the only difference that one was built in Kittredge's shop? From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 01:32:04 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (irox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:32:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST Message-ID: <18622695.24283.1490160724404@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I was looking at buying a VAST (one of a few (3?) sold as a "K250" after VAST went under) a while ago. Then Daniel Lance gave me a great piece of a advice: "Don't." It was cheaper and better to build a K250 from scratch then buy and refit/modernize as VAST. Much later I completely ignored his advice while having a minor mid-life issue and bought one. I consider it a submarine shaped piece of scrap metal with a trailer and some lead (at least until it's restored). To deal with the issues of not being able to inspect certain parts of the hull, I used an ultra-sonic thickness to determine if there is any significant corrosion. This can be placed on the outside of the hull and reports the thickness of the material. Ultimately Daniel Lance was spot on with his advice and it would have been easier to build or commission a K250 from plan instead. Although there is something to be said for having a K250 shaped piece of artwork/scrap in your garage. My plans (when I get time) are to strip it, add external framing, then remove the internal ballast tanks. Hopefully creating a nice platform to build on, with a little more room inside. If I was doing this again, I would prefer to not buy a VAST, either hold out for a real K250 or build one from scratch. Cheers, Ian. -----Original Message----- >From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles >Sent: Mar 21, 2017 10:11 PM >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST > > >Inspect the old VAST submarines carefully. They are old as the hills >(almost) and may require more work to recondition than building a new >K250. In particular, they had an integral internal hard ballast that >would make it difficult to assess hull viability without some >destruction and rebuilding of that element alone. Keep in mind that >Kittredge submarines evolved from ideas and refinements that were >learned from operational lessons with previous models. > >You can read the basic history of Kittredge submarines here: >http://www.psubs.org/reference/publications/kittredgesubmarines.pdf > >Jon > > >On 3/21/2017 11:30 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Also interested in more details about the Maryland VAST boat. These >> were structurally the same as the later K250's? From what I can gather >> there are minor differences in the varaible ballast system, is this >> right? Or is the only difference that one was built in Kittredge's shop? > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 01:34:54 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:34:54 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general Message-ID: <20170321223454.E67F1BDA@m0087792.ppops.net> I wish I could find that video of the cue ball arm ! I think it was an old Delta sub in the 60's off Catalina island. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:30:34 -0400 Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 02:18:31 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:18:31 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general In-Reply-To: <20170321223454.E67F1BDA@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20170321223454.E67F1BDA@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: Brian, it's "The dry divers part 2" & it's on Psubs under "Videos" http://www.psubs.org/video/ Alan Sent from my iPad > On 22/03/2017, at 6:34 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I wish I could find that video of the cue ball arm ! I think it was an old Delta sub in the 60's off Catalina island. > > Brian > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:30:34 -0400 > > Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that > there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. > > (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are > no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with > the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) > > > Mike > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 02:27:36 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:27:36 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general In-Reply-To: References: <20170321223454.E67F1BDA@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <9A8E9DF1-1BC6-416B-95DA-1E04EB312F70@yahoo.com> Brian, that link doesn't quite take you there. You select submarines under Video then Submaray. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 22/03/2017, at 7:18 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Brian, > it's "The dry divers part 2" & it's on Psubs under "Videos" > http://www.psubs.org/video/ > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 22/03/2017, at 6:34 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> I wish I could find that video of the cue ball arm ! I think it was an old Delta sub in the 60's off Catalina island. >> >> Brian >> >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:30:34 -0400 >> >> Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that >> there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. >> >> (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are >> no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with >> the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 05:58:51 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general In-Reply-To: <20170321223454.E67F1BDA@m0087792.ppops.net> References: <20170321223454.E67F1BDA@m0087792.ppops.net> Message-ID: <687934070.1177178.1490176731612@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,I saw that video, I think it was Nekton Alpha. ?You can make a simple Q-ball arm with a Q-ball and a ball valve. ? You might be able to make the socket also, with your radius tool. ?It is pretty simple if you can machine that darn socket. ?I can send you a picture of the socket assembly from Gamma. ?Hank On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:35 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I wish I could find that video of the cue ball arm !? I think it was an old Delta sub in the 60's off Catalina island. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:30:34 -0400 Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm?? It seems to me that there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are no photos.? My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 08:01:31 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:01:31 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST In-Reply-To: <18622695.24283.1490160724404@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18622695.24283.1490160724404@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Ian, It has been a long time, how are you doing? I am curious, is your VAST from Connecticut? Jon On 3/22/2017 1:32 AM, irox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I was looking at buying a VAST (one of a few (3?) sold as a "K250" after VAST went under) > a while ago. Then Daniel Lance gave me a great piece of a advice: "Don't." It was > cheaper and better to build a K250 from scratch then buy and refit/modernize as VAST. > > Much later I completely ignored his advice while having a minor mid-life issue and > bought one. I consider it a submarine shaped piece of scrap metal with a trailer and > some lead (at least until it's restored). > > To deal with the issues of not being able to inspect certain parts of the hull, I > used an ultra-sonic thickness to determine if there is any significant corrosion. > This can be placed on the outside of the hull and reports the thickness of the material. > > Ultimately Daniel Lance was spot on with his advice and it would have been > easier to build or commission a K250 from plan instead. Although there is something > to be said for having a K250 shaped piece of artwork/scrap in your garage. > > My plans (when I get time) are to strip it, add external framing, then remove the internal > ballast tanks. Hopefully creating a nice platform to build on, with a little more room > inside. > > If I was doing this again, I would prefer to not buy a VAST, either hold out for a real > K250 or build one from scratch. > > Cheers, > Ian. > From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 08:40:12 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:40:12 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd agree with that, but this particular one would be interesting to check out. I saw photos of it and at least in those it looked quite pristine. Not because it's got new paint or has been restored in any way, but because it's a "barn find" that seems to have been put in a storage locker when it was relatively new. From what I saw the VBT was formed by two flat plates welded on the inside of the hull, giving you no access for inspection or maintenance. That would have to go, at a minimum. I'm not even sure if Kittredge had adopted O rings at that time or was still using packing! Alec On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:11 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Inspect the old VAST submarines carefully. They are old as the hills > (almost) and may require more work to recondition than building a new > K250. In particular, they had an integral internal hard ballast that would > make it difficult to assess hull viability without some destruction and > rebuilding of that element alone. Keep in mind that Kittredge submarines > evolved from ideas and refinements that were learned from operational > lessons with previous models. > > You can read the basic history of Kittredge submarines here: > http://www.psubs.org/reference/publications/kittredgesubmarines.pdf > > Jon > > > On 3/21/2017 11:30 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Also interested in more details about the Maryland VAST boat. These were >> structurally the same as the later K250's? From what I can gather there are >> minor differences in the varaible ballast system, is this right? Or is the >> only difference that one was built in Kittredge's shop? >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 08:43:03 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:43:03 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is correct On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 8:19 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I don't have the k250 plans, but I figure it's just an ACME threaded rod. > They have square threads and are used for linear actuators. There is just a > crank on the inside of the hull to turn the whole shaft through an (o > ring?)sealed shaft penetration. > > On Mar 21, 2017 4:50 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Mechanical arms in general >> (Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles) >> 2. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 >> (Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:30:34 -0400 >> From: Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Mechanical arms in general >> Message-ID: <7936ba04-f52b-3c1d-c0a9-c9cab1cc8ef3 at ohiohills.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Has anyone developed a generic mechanical arm? It seems to me that >> there should be a set of plans for this sort of thing. >> >> (I was about 12 when I built one out of my old Erector set but there are >> no photos. My parents reacted a bit strongly to my chasing the cat with >> the thing and I had to disassemble the device..) >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:49:33 -0400 >> From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org, >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, >> Issue 45 >> Message-ID: >> > gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hey guys thanks for responding are there any pics of the worm gear or >> crank >> assembly that drives it through the through hull my plans don't have that >> info I'm working with the state of Florida's independent ecological >> protection agencies in regards to photographing effects on dumping in our >> bay and will be recovering said proof and obtaining photos to use in court >> against certain corporations at fault for illegal dumping in water ways >> the >> k250 I'm building will be a huge part of an ongoing effort to maintain and >> revitalize the heath of our bay and economic system by retrieving proof >> and >> photographic updates on the situation >> >> On Mar 21, 2017 4:27 PM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) >> 2. Re: K250 machanical arm photos??? >> (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) >> 3. Re: Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 >> (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:08:35 +1300 >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? >> Message-ID: <53C744B3-ACBE-4C09-B49D-CB9A9DFFD99F at yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Frankie, >> if you ask questions on the web forum you are not likely to get an >> answer as I don't think anyone goes on that. >> When I first posted on there, fortunately someone saw it & directed >> me to this email based discussion. >> If you get your own email back via the psubs mail list you can guarantee >> that someone has seen it. I have had plenty of no replies, & take it >> that no one has an answer at the time. You can always repeat the question >> later in case a qualified person wasn't listening in previously. >> Did you get my email with video links ??? >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On 22/03/2017, at 8:37 AM, Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> > >> > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is >> it >> a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be >> apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would be >> very appreciated thanks again >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:11:45 -0400 >> From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? >> Message-ID: >> > ail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Frankie, >> >> My previous boat was a K250 and there are a couple of photos of the >> mechanical arm on this page: >> >> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2010/ >> >> On Snoopy I made the parts that have movement of 316 to reduce maintenance >> (moving parts scape off their own paint), and if I were to make this again >> I'd just make the whole thing of 316 for that reason. The material cost >> would not be much. Also, where it goes bolted to the hull go heavy with >> the >> bolts. I had 1/4" bolts and sheared them all off when I hit a rock under >> tow. The arm turned into a pretzel and I had to make a new one. It's >> effectively your bumper in the K250, so make it beefy. You might also want >> to consider the next round of changes that followed in 2012. Here's the >> link: >> >> http://www.psubs.org/projects/1234567810/snoopyin2012/ >> >> >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:56 PM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >> < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> > Hi Frankie. Tell us about your build. >> > Greg >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > *From:* Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < >> > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> > *To:* personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:42 PM >> > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] K250 machanical arm photos??? >> > >> > Hey I've tried dozens of time to ask questions nobody ever responds is >> it >> > a click thing I know I'm just starting my build but I still want to be >> > apart of this if some one can help give me a smoke signal here it would >> be >> > very appreciated thanks again >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: > 20170321/f5c8b679/attachment-0001.html >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:26:32 +1300 >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, >> Issue 38 >> Message-ID: <75C6AF05-AC9A-4525-9E80-9EE379A75903 at yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Rick, >> it may depend on where your most reliable source of O2 supply is. >> I went with an O2 cleaned first stage because I could get fills through >> a dive shop that specialised in mixed gas diving. They made me do >> a padi emergency oxygen provider course first. This is a very short >> course, & you get another card for your wallet that may also give you >> credentials if you want to fill anywhere else. >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On 22/03/2017, at 7:22 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> > >> > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to >> hear >> from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a >> scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using >> an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. >> > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator >> as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with >> getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to >> fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba >> fitting >> to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone >> know >> where I can buy one of those? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Rick >> > >> >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. >> >> Vance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> To: personal_submersibles ; >> personal_submersibles-request >> >> Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, >> Issue >> 38 >> >> >> >> Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this >> wrong >> >> >> >> On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to >> >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_ >> submersibles >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> personal_submersibles-request at psubs.org >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> personal_submersibles-owner at psubs.org >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." >> >> >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. Re: James Bond wetsub >> >> (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) >> >> 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) >> >> 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) >> >> 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >> >> >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> Message-ID: >> >> <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa >> 9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of >> the >> >> reef rangers behind him. >> >> >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > rg> >> >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible- >> reef-ranger- >> duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- >> >> films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> > -reef-ranger- >> duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- >> >> films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> >> >> ? >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: > attachments/ >> 20170320/54797d0f/attachment-0001.html >> >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 2 >> >> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 >> >> From: via Personal_Submersibles >> >> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Yes, that's the one!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> >> >> >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of >> the reef rangers behind him. >> >> >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > rg> >> >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible- >> reef-ranger- >> duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- >> >> films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> >> >> ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: > attachments/ >> 20170320/09ad2512/attachment-0001.html >> >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 3 >> >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) >> >> From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic >> domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think >> ist >> was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti >> tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers >> behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. >> ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: >> [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: >> "emile >> via Personal_Submersibles" An: >> "'Personal >> Submersibles General Discussion'" > >???Never >> seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling. >> catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger- >> duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- >> films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, >> Emile?_______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: > attachments/ >> 20170321/993dbe02/attachment-0001.html >> >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 4 >> >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 >> >> From: emile via Personal_Submersibles >> >> >> >> To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf20$@nl> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. >> >> >> >> Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a >> chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in >> the acrylic or seat. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Br, Emile >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- >> bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles >> >> Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 >> >> Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> >> Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Emile, >> >> >> >> I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and >> the submarine? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > MerlinSub at t-online.de%20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have seen the movie.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. >> >> >> >> I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of >> the reef rangers behind him. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lot of submarines in that movie. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> >> >> >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub >> >> >> >> Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 >> >> >> >> Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > rg> >> >> >> >> An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible- >> reef-ranger- >> duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond- >> >> films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Located in Portugal >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, Emile >> >> >> >> ? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: > attachments/ >> 20170321/69747984/attachment.html >> >> > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >> Name: IMG_8277.JPG >> >> Type: image/jpeg >> >> Size: 24921 bytes >> >> Desc: not available >> >> URL: > attachments/ >> 20170321/69747984/attachment.jpe >> >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 >> >> ***************************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: > 20170322/a1726cd8/attachment.html >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 45 >> ***************************************************** >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: > attachments/20170321/e338b4b0/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 46 >> ***************************************************** >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 08:52:09 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: References: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> <402607786.834581.1490125927372@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1457195914.465074.1490187129489@mail.yahoo.com> Rick I really like them because they are finely adjustable and very accurate (The type with a set orifice size?can get clogged). They come in a variety of flow ranges so you need to get the right one. They?operate on?a specific inlet pressure (usually 50 PSI) so it's good to get the type that?has a matching regulator (pressure from an outboard?scuba regulator would be too high and increases with depth). Greg From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Greg I haven't ordered one yet and that was going to be one of my next questions as I wasn't sure what others are using. I am all ears. Rick On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,Are you going to use a Thorpe style flow meter in the hull? Greg From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it.?I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know where I can buy one of those?? Thanks Rick On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles ; personal_submersibles-request Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong? On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles at psubs.or g To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles-request@ psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles-owner at ps ubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: ? ?1. Re: James Bond wetsub ? ? ? (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" ? ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: ? ? ? ? <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad6 95eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10 211 at spica.telekom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.14900625587 44 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg ? ? ? From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" ?To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ?Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM ?Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht---- -Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.cataw iki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- submersible-reef-ranger-duikbo ot-divers-propulsion-vehicle- uit-de-james-bond-films-en- ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?________________________ _______________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 From: emile via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? ? To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf2 0$@nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Greg, On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. Br, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Hi Emile, I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? Thanks, Greg ? _____ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 09:05:37 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:05:37 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut In-Reply-To: <1490134931906.2586448.4a4d25cb2e86c9d63ec9a215ef0112a6fe18572a@spica.telekom.de> References: <1490134931906.2586448.4a4d25cb2e86c9d63ec9a215ef0112a6fe18572a@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: Whoa! I really liked the number of photos in that article, it's a build log. Emile, do you know Holger? It would be great to reach out and get him to join the PSUBS list so we can follow along - that's quite a build! Alec On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:22 PM, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut under construction. > > Seems a copy of Kraka size with the outlines of Nautilus. > > > > https://www.klabauterkiste.de/das-selbstbau-u-boot/ > > > > > vbr Carsten > ? > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 09:18:31 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <716065144.1276070.1490188711538@mail.yahoo.com> I was once hired to rebuild an early K-250 that as far as I know was a Kittredge built sub. It had packing on all shafts. Shafts were steel (not stainless). Plumbing was copper with flare fittings. No check valves. The flood "valve" was a 2" pipe cap.?Since the VAST subs were earlier I assume that they used the same features. Greg From: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST I'd agree with that, but this particular one would be interesting to check out. I saw photos of it and at least in those it looked quite pristine. Not because it's got new paint or has been restored in any way, but because it's a "barn find" that seems to have been put in a storage locker when it was relatively new. From what I saw the VBT was formed by two flat plates welded on the inside of the hull, giving you no access for inspection or maintenance. That would have to go, at a minimum. I'm not even sure if Kittredge had adopted O rings at that time or was still using packing! Alec On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:11 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Inspect the old VAST submarines carefully.? They are old as the hills (almost) and may require more work to recondition than building a new K250.? In particular, they had an integral internal hard ballast that would make it difficult to assess hull viability without some destruction and rebuilding of that element alone. Keep in mind that Kittredge submarines evolved from ideas and refinements that were learned from operational lessons with previous models. You can read the basic history of Kittredge submarines here: http://www.psubs.org/reference /publications/kittredgesubmari nes.pdf Jon On 3/21/2017 11:30 PM, River Dolfi via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Also interested in more details about the Maryland VAST boat. These were structurally the same as the later K250's? From what I can gather there are minor differences in the varaible ballast system, is this right? Or is the only difference that one was built in Kittredge's shop? ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 09:25:25 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:25:25 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut In-Reply-To: References: <1490134931906.2586448.4a4d25cb2e86c9d63ec9a215ef0112a6fe18572a@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <08b701d2a30f$c4165300$4c42f900$@nl> Alex, I don?t know him. I will invite them to our group. Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 22 maart 2017 14:06 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut Whoa! I really liked the number of photos in that article, it's a build log. Emile, do you know Holger? It would be great to reach out and get him to join the PSUBS list so we can follow along - that's quite a build! Alec On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:22 PM, MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut under construction. Seems a copy of Kraka size with the outlines of Nautilus. https://www.klabauterkiste.de/das-selbstbau-u-boot/ vbr Carsten ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will invite them to our group. ?Emile ?Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 22 maart 2017 14:06 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Another Kraka/Nautilus/Euronaut ?Whoa!? I really liked the number of photos in that article, it's a build log. Emile, do you know Holger? 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Rick On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick > > I really like them because they are finely adjustable and very accurate > (The type with a set orifice size can get clogged). They come in a variety > of flow ranges so you need to get the right one. They operate on a specific > inlet pressure (usually 50 PSI) so it's good to get the type that has a > matching regulator (pressure from an outboard scuba regulator would be too > high and increases with depth). > > Greg > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:36 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > > Greg > > > I haven't ordered one yet and that was going to be one of my next > questions as I wasn't sure what others are using. I am all ears. > > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Rick, > Are you going to use a Thorpe style flow meter in the hull? > > Greg > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles org > > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear > from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a > scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using > an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator > as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with > getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to > fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting > to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know > where I can buy one of those? > > Thanks > > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles org > wrote: > > Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. > Vance > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles org > > To: personal_submersibles >; personal_submersibles-request request at psubs.org > > Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > > Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong > > On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" org > wrote: > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.or g > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request@ psubs.org > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at ps ubs.org > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: James Bond wetsub > (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) > 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: > <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad6 95eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10 > 211 at spica.telekom.de > <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have seen the movie.. > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > -reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > > > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170320/54797d0f/ attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 > From: via Personal_Submersibles > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.or g > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd- a71.mail.aol.com > <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes, that's the one!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles rg > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion rg > > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" rg > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > > Located in Portugal > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170320/09ad2512/ attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.14900625587 44 at mail.yahoo.com > <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic > domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" rg > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion rg > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > I have seen the movie.. > ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist > was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti > tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers > behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. > ???-----Original-Nachricht---- -Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond > wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > >An: > "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" rg >???Never seen this one in a movie > ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.cataw iki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger-duikbo ot-divers-propulsion-vehicle- > uit-de-james-bond-films-en- ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?________________________ > _______________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170321/993dbe02/ attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 > From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf2 0$@nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Greg, > > > > On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. > > Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer > on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the > acrylic or seat. > > > > Br, Emile > > > > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- > bounces at psubs.org ] Namens james > cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > Hi Emile, > > I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the > submarine? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > > > > _____ > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles MerlinSub at t-online.de% 20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " rg > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion rg > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" rg > > > > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/ attachment.html > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_8277.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24921 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/ attachment.jpe > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > ****************************** *********************** > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 14:44:28 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: References: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> <402607786.834581.1490125927372@mail.yahoo.com> <1457195914.465074.1490187129489@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1102046117.775896.1490208268019@mail.yahoo.com> Rick, I use a Dakota model 6A01 with a range of 0- 3.5 LPM.? This allows me to dial it in to accommodate one to three persons in the sub. You can pick one up for about 50 bucks. Greg From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Greg,? What are the ranges in liters that you have for your sub? Rick On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick I really like them because they are finely adjustable and very accurate (The type with a set orifice size?can get clogged). They come in a variety of flow ranges so you need to get the right one. They?operate on?a specific inlet pressure (usually 50 PSI) so it's good to get the type that?has a matching regulator (pressure from an outboard?scuba regulator would be too high and increases with depth). Greg From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Greg I haven't ordered one yet and that was going to be one of my next questions as I wasn't sure what others are using. I am all ears. Rick On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,Are you going to use a Thorpe style flow meter in the hull? Greg From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it.?I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know where I can buy one of those?? Thanks Rick On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles ; personal_submersibles-request Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong? On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles at psubs.or g To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles-request@ psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles-owner at ps ubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: ? ?1. Re: James Bond wetsub ? ? ? (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" ? ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: ? ? ? ? <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad6 95eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10 211 at spica.telekom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.14900625587 44 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg ? ? ? From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" ?To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ?Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM ?Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht---- -Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.cataw iki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- submersible-reef-ranger-duikbo ot-divers-propulsion-vehicle- uit-de-james-bond-films-en- ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?________________________ _______________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 From: emile via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? ? To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf2 0$@nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Greg, On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. Br, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Hi Emile, I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 14:49:05 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: References: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> <402607786.834581.1490125927372@mail.yahoo.com> <1457195914.465074.1490187129489@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419891883.763066.1490208545718@mail.yahoo.com> Flow meter link- https://www.dakotainstruments.com/media/docs/dakota_acrylic_6A01.pdf From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Greg,? What are the ranges in liters that you have for your sub? Rick On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick I really like them because they are finely adjustable and very accurate (The type with a set orifice size?can get clogged). They come in a variety of flow ranges so you need to get the right one. They?operate on?a specific inlet pressure (usually 50 PSI) so it's good to get the type that?has a matching regulator (pressure from an outboard?scuba regulator would be too high and increases with depth). Greg From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Greg I haven't ordered one yet and that was going to be one of my next questions as I wasn't sure what others are using. I am all ears. Rick On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,Are you going to use a Thorpe style flow meter in the hull? Greg From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it.?I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know where I can buy one of those?? Thanks Rick On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles ; personal_submersibles-request Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong? On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles at psubs.or g To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles-request@ psubs.org You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? personal_submersibles-owner at ps ubs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." Today's Topics: ? ?1. Re: James Bond wetsub ? ? ? (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) ? ?4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" ? ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: ? ? ? ? <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad6 95eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10 211 at spica.telekom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 From: via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.or g Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd- a71.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Yes, that's the one!!! -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? ? To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.14900625587 44 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg ? ? ? From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" ?To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion ?Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM ?Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. ???-----Original-Nachricht---- -Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ???Never seen this one in a movie ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.cataw iki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- submersible-reef-ranger-duikbo ot-divers-propulsion-vehicle- uit-de-james-bond-films-en- ook-verscheidene-andere-films ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?________________________ _______________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 From: emile via Personal_Submersibles ? ? ? ? To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf2 0$@nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Greg, On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the acrylic or seat. Br, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Hi Emile, I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the submarine? Thanks, Greg ? _____ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Never seen this one in a movie? .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 15:11:31 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (irox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:11:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST Message-ID: <20619514.12656.1490209891769@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Jon, Life: Working hard to balance family life (wife and two daughters) and earning money, with finding time to work on submarine projects. The K250/VAST I picked up in Fresno, California. I believe it may be the one that was once owned by bobsdiveshop.com. When Bob died (unrelated to the submarine) Kittredge help the Bob's wife resell it locally. I believe I bought from the son of the second owner. However the person I bought from didn't make good on their promise to find and mail me all the paper work that belonged to it so I can't confirm this. I think the Connecticut one was in better shape. If I remember correctly, there where only 3 VAST subs sold as K250s (The rest were VAST MKiiis), could the Maryland sub be the third, or is it a VAST MKiii, or is it the Connecticut one? Cheers, Ian. -----Original Message----- >From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles >Sent: Mar 22, 2017 5:01 AM >To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VAST > >Hi Ian, > >It has been a long time, how are you doing? I am curious, is your VAST >from Connecticut? > >Jon > > >On 3/22/2017 1:32 AM, irox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> I was looking at buying a VAST (one of a few (3?) sold as a "K250" after VAST went under) >> a while ago. Then Daniel Lance gave me a great piece of a advice: "Don't." It was >> cheaper and better to build a K250 from scratch then buy and refit/modernize as VAST. >> >> Much later I completely ignored his advice while having a minor mid-life issue and >> bought one. I consider it a submarine shaped piece of scrap metal with a trailer and >> some lead (at least until it's restored). >> >> To deal with the issues of not being able to inspect certain parts of the hull, I >> used an ultra-sonic thickness to determine if there is any significant corrosion. >> This can be placed on the outside of the hull and reports the thickness of the material. >> >> Ultimately Daniel Lance was spot on with his advice and it would have been >> easier to build or commission a K250 from plan instead. Although there is something >> to be said for having a K250 shaped piece of artwork/scrap in your garage. >> >> My plans (when I get time) are to strip it, add external framing, then remove the internal >> ballast tanks. Hopefully creating a nice platform to build on, with a little more room >> inside. >> >> If I was doing this again, I would prefer to not buy a VAST, either hold out for a real >> K250 or build one from scratch. >> >> Cheers, >> Ian. >> > >_______________________________________________ >Personal_Submersibles mailing list >Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 22 16:22:58 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:22:58 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <1102046117.775896.1490208268019@mail.yahoo.com> References: <15af1a77f52-2dba-10a20@webprd-m91.mail.aol.com> <402607786.834581.1490125927372@mail.yahoo.com> <1457195914.465074.1490187129489@mail.yahoo.com> <1102046117.775896.1490208268019@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Greg Rick On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:44 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > > I use a Dakota model 6A01 with a range of 0- 3.5 LPM. > > This allows me to dial it in to accommodate one to three persons in the > sub. You can pick one up for about 50 bucks. > > Greg > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:19 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > > Greg, > > What are the ranges in liters that you have for your sub? > > Rick > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > Rick > > I really like them because they are finely adjustable and very accurate > (The type with a set orifice size can get clogged). They come in a variety > of flow ranges so you need to get the right one. They operate on a specific > inlet pressure (usually 50 PSI) so it's good to get the type that has a > matching regulator (pressure from an outboard scuba regulator would be too > high and increases with depth). > > Greg > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles org > > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion org > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:36 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > > Greg > > > I haven't ordered one yet and that was going to be one of my next > questions as I wasn't sure what others are using. I am all ears. > > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:52 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > > > wrote: > > Rick, > Are you going to use a Thorpe style flow meter in the hull? > > Greg > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles org > > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, > Issue 38 > > Getting ready to purchase my 02 cylinders for my K-350 and wanted to hear > from everyone out there who has on board 02 as to weather they are using a > scuba tank with standard scuba valve for their 02 source or are they using > an 02 bottle that has a CGA neck on it. > I have already invested in a new 02 cleaned scuba first stage regulator > as my hp 02 bottles will be outside but I am having a hard time with > getting a straight answer out of "air gas" as far as them being willing to > fill a scuba bottle or not. I would also need to buy a CGA to Scuba fitting > to give to them to use if they were willing to do this and does anyone know > where I can buy one of those? > > Thanks > > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:16 AM, via Personal_Submersibles org > wrote: > > Don't take it personally. They do that shit to me all the time. > Vance > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frankie Bowman via Personal_Submersibles org > > To: personal_submersibles >; personal_submersibles-request request at psubs.org > > Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 3:12 am > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > > Hey I noticed no one responds when I ask questions am I doing this wrong > > On Mar 21, 2017 3:19 AM, "via Personal_Submersibles" org > wrote: > > Send Personal_Submersibles mailing list submissions to > personal_submersibles at psubs.or g > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > personal_submersibles-request@ psubs.org > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > personal_submersibles-owner at ps ubs.org > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Personal_Submersibles digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: James Bond wetsub > (MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) > 2. Re: James Bond wetsub (via Personal_Submersibles) > 3. Re: James Bond wetsub (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) > 4. Re: James Bond wetsub (emile via Personal_Submersibles) > > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:53:14 +0100 (MET) > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: > <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad6 95eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10 > 211 at spica.telekom.de > <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211 at spica.telekom.de> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have seen the movie.. > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > -reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > > > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170320/54797d0f/ attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:01:20 -0400 > From: via Personal_Submersibles > > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.or g > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd- a71.mail.aol.com > <15aee2b033b-68ad-c92c at webprd-a71.mail.aol.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes, that's the one!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles rg > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion rg > > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" rg > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > > Located in Portugal > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170320/09ad2512/ attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <475759444.4352046.14900625587 44 at mail.yahoo.com > <475759444.4352046.1490062558744 at mail.yahoo.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Emile,I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic > domes and the submarine?Thanks,Greg > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" rg > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion rg > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > I have seen the movie.. > ?Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist > was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. ?Bond drop a anti > tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers > behind him. ?Lot of submarines in that movie. > ???-----Original-Nachricht---- -Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond > wetsubDatum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > >An: > "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" rg >???Never seen this one in a movie > ?.Interesting though..?https://veiling.cataw iki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst- > submersible-reef-ranger-duikbo ot-divers-propulsion-vehicle- > uit-de-james-bond-films-en- ook-verscheidene-andere-films > > ?Located in Portugal?Best regards, Emile?________________________ > _______________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170321/993dbe02/ attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:18:50 +0100 > From: emile via Personal_Submersibles > > > To: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > Message-ID: <068601d2a213$639a4a60$2acedf2 0$@nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Greg, > > > > On the First sub we glued the 180 deg. Dome with Sikaflex. > > Later we used a spider clamp and a O-ring The Arcrylic dome has a chamfer > on the outside edge as it is not done to make a O-ring groove in the > acrylic or seat. > > > > Br, Emile > > > > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles- > bounces at psubs.org ] Namens james > cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 maart 2017 3:16 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > Hi Emile, > > I was wondering what type of seal do you use between acrylic domes and the > submarine? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > > > > _____ > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles MerlinSub at t-online.de% 20via%20Personal_Submersibles> " rg > > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion rg > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > > > I have seen the movie.. > > > > Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. > > I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. > > > > Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the > reef rangers behind him. > > > > Lot of submarines in that movie. > > > > > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub > > Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 > > Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > > > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" rg > > > > > > > > > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. > > > > https://veiling.catawiki.nl/ka vels/10420170-sst-submersible- > reef-ranger-duikboot-divers- propulsion-vehicle-uit-de- > james-bond-films-en-ook- verscheidene-andere-films > > > > > Located in Portugal > > > > Best regards, Emile > > ? > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/ attachment.html > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_8277.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24921 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: attachments/20170321/69747984/ attachment.jpe > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g > http://www.whoweb.com/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_submersi bles > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 45, Issue 38 > ****************************** *********************** > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rueil-malmaison 92500 ? France -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 23 14:38:12 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:38:12 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate In-Reply-To: <52a3af.60cb5f59.4604bbb2@aol.com> References: <52a3af.60cb5f59.4604bbb2@aol.com> Message-ID: <9316087C-081B-43EF-9BFE-CBCBBCCCB67C@yahoo.com> Thanks Jim, any idea of the price, & how do you read it? Is there some mapping program with sea depth that it is compatible with? Does it include GPS, or does it link to a GPS system? Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad > On 23/03/2017, at 6:48 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > I'm on the email list for SBG Systems and thought I would pass this along. Unfortunately some of the formatting got messed up in the forwarding process. If you get on their email list, they only send one about every three months, so you don't get inundated with ads and promotions. > > I've not yet tried any of their inertial nav products, but it seems like a very compact and relatively cheap way to know where you are when submerged and GPS in not accessible. > > Cheers, > Jim T. > > From: helene.l at sbg-systems.com > To: jimtoddpsub at aol.com > Sent: 3/22/2017 8:56:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: New Generation of Ekinox Inertial Sensors - Twice More Accurate > > SBG Systems releases a new version of the Ellipse Series, its popular product line of miniature inertial sensors. > If you have trouble to display this message, please read the online version. > > PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT > > NEW Inertial Sensors: Ekinox 2 Series, Twice More Accurate! > Dear James Todd , > > We are proud to offer the second generation of the Ekinox Series, twice more accurate in attitude while keeping the same form factor and price level. > > > x2 Performance Improvement > > With a complete redesign of the in-house Inertial Measurement Unit, integrating new cutting-edge accelerometers and very low noise gyroscopes, Ekinox 2 now delivers 0.02? roll & pitch while lowering the Angular Random Walk to 0,14 ?/?h. > > > Best Performance/Size/Price > > With higher accuracy, higher resistance to vibration and highly reliable performance, Ekinox 2 Series definitely offers the best Performance / Size / Price ratio on the market. > > Beidou Added to Ekinox-N/D > > Both N & D models integrate a bi-frequency GNSS receiver. The addition of the Beidou constellation improves the signal availability in Asia, making the Ekinox position data even more robust. > > Easy Configuration > > Configuration is made easy with the web interface where all parameters can be quickly displayed and adjusted (Ekinox position, alignment, lever arms, etc). > MORE INFO > > U.S. HYDRO > > March 21-22, Galveston, TX, USA > Visit us booth #56 during "U.S. HYDRO", a hydrographic conference and exhibition. > MORE INFO > > OCEAN BUSINESS > > April 4-6, Southampton, United Kingdom > Register to our Boat Demo and Training! We look forward meeting you on stand E5c. > MORE INFO > > SPIE DCS > > 9-13th April 2017, Anaheim, CA, USA > Meet SBG Systems booth #641 during the SPIE Defense + Commercial Sensing trade show. > MORE INFO > SBG Systems EMEA (Headquarters) > sales at sbg-systems.com | +33 1 80 88 45 00 > > SBG Systems North America > sales.usa at sbg-systems.com | +1 (657) 845 1771 > > Worldwide Distributors > www.sbg-systems.com/company/distributors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email was sent to jimtoddpsub at aol.com > why did I get this? unsubscribe from this list update subscription preferences > SBG Systems ? 3 bis chemin de la Jonchere ? Rueil-malmaison 92500 ? France > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here are some links: https://www.sbg-systems.com/ https://www.sbg-systems.com/company/distributors It seems they have distributors in just about every country except NZ. They also exhibit at a lot of the marine technology shows around the world. Cheers, Jim In a message dated 3/23/2017 1:38:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Thanks Jim, any idea of the price, & how do you read it? Is there some mapping program with sea depth that it is compatible with? Does it include GPS, or does it link to a GPS system? Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 23/03/2017, at 6:48 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hey Guys, I'm on the email list for SBG Systems and thought I would pass this along. Unfortunately some of the formatting got messed up in the forwarding process. If you get on their email list, they only send one about every three months, so you don't get inundated with ads and promotions. I've not yet tried any of their inertial nav products, but it seems like a very compact and relatively cheap way to know where you are when submerged and GPS in not accessible. Cheers, Jim T. ____________________________________ From: helene.l at sbg-systems.com To: jimtoddpsub at aol.com Sent: 3/22/2017 8:56:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: New Generation of Ekinox Inertial Sensors - Twice More Accurate SBG Systems releases a new version of the Ellipse Series, its popular product line of miniature inertial sensors. If you have trouble to display this message, please _read the online version_ (http://us10.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0cef263a9bc1eddb97b69ef21&id=a4d75cbecc&e=591b50a906) . PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT NEW Inertial Sensors: Ekinox 2 Series, Twice More Accurate! Dear James Todd , We are proud to offer the second generation of the Ekinox Series, twice more accurate in attitude while keeping the same form factor and price level. x2 Performance Improvement With a complete redesign of the in-house Inertial Measurement Unit, integrating new cutting-edge accelerometers and very low noise gyroscopes, Ekinox 2 now delivers 0.02? roll & pitch while lowering the Angular Random Walk to 0,14 ?/?h. Best Performance/Size/Price With higher accuracy, higher resistance to vibration and highly reliable performance, Ekinox 2 Series definitely offers the best Performance / Size / Price ratio on the market. Beidou Added to Ekinox-N/D Both N & D models integrate a bi-frequency GNSS receiver. The addition of the Beidou constellation improves the signal availability in Asia, making the Ekinox position data even more robust. Easy Configuration Configuration is made easy with the web interface where all parameters can be quickly displayed and adjusted (Ekinox position, alignment, lever arms, etc). _MORE INFO_ (http://sbg-systems.us10.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0cef263a9bc1eddb97b69ef21&id=ee50364a3a&e=591b50a906) U.S. HYDRO March 21-22, Galveston, TX, USA Visit us booth #56 during "U.S. HYDRO", a hydrographic conference and exhibition. _MORE INFO_ (http://sbg-systems.us10.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=0cef263a9bc1eddb97b69ef21&id=680476d911&e=591b50a906) OCEAN BUSINESS April 4-6, Southampton, United Kingdom Register to our Boat Demo and Training! 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 23 18:17:22 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:17:22 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate In-Reply-To: <5bf7e3.5b62e34f.4605823a@aol.com> References: <5bf7e3.5b62e34f.4605823a@aol.com> Message-ID: <7F26DC8E-B6B5-41F0-BE90-853B8B6D5A0E@yahoo.com> Hi Jim, one link says industrial grade inertial sensors are between 1 & $5000, & tactical grade between 16 & $40,000. It also talks about enhancing the unit with GPS & several other acronyms. I haven't seen anything about the software you would need to interpret the data & show it on a map. Be great if you could tie it in to Simrads chart plotter or similar. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 24/03/2017, at 8:55 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi, Alan, > > It's been a couple of years since I've explored them, but I do remember being impressed with how affordable the products were. They are commonly (I'd guess almost always) interfaced with GPS. You have a lot of options for display, logging, and mapping. I'd suggest contacting one of their distributors to explore what system(s) they would suggest for the size subs we're generally dealing with, and mention we would have the units inside the pressure hull so we're not concerned with their deep pressure capability units which are for ROVs. Here are some links: > https://www.sbg-systems.com/ > https://www.sbg-systems.com/company/distributors > It seems they have distributors in just about every country except NZ. They also exhibit at a lot of the marine technology shows around the world. > > Cheers, > Jim > > In a message dated 3/23/2017 1:38:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: > Thanks Jim, > any idea of the price, & how do you read it? > Is there some mapping program with sea depth that it is compatible with? > Does it include GPS, or does it link to a GPS system? > Cheers Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 23/03/2017, at 6:48 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hey Guys, >> >> I'm on the email list for SBG Systems and thought I would pass this along. Unfortunately some of the formatting got messed up in the forwarding process. If you get on their email list, they only send one about every three months, so you don't get inundated with ads and promotions. >> >> I've not yet tried any of their inertial nav products, but it seems like a very compact and relatively cheap way to know where you are when submerged and GPS in not accessible. >> >> Cheers, >> Jim T. >> >> From: helene.l at sbg-systems.com >> To: jimtoddpsub at aol.com >> Sent: 3/22/2017 8:56:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time >> Subj: New Generation of Ekinox Inertial Sensors - Twice More Accurate >> >> SBG Systems releases a new version of the Ellipse Series, its popular product line of miniature inertial sensors. >> If you have trouble to display this message, please read the online version. >> >> PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT >> >> NEW Inertial Sensors: Ekinox 2 Series, Twice More Accurate! >> Dear James Todd , >> >> We are proud to offer the second generation of the Ekinox Series, twice more accurate in attitude while keeping the same form factor and price level. >> >> >> x2 Performance Improvement >> >> With a complete redesign of the in-house Inertial Measurement Unit, integrating new cutting-edge accelerometers and very low noise gyroscopes, Ekinox 2 now delivers 0.02? roll & pitch while lowering the Angular Random Walk to 0,14 ?/?h. >> >> >> Best Performance/Size/Price >> >> With higher accuracy, higher resistance to vibration and highly reliable performance, Ekinox 2 Series definitely offers the best Performance / Size / Price ratio on the market. >> >> Beidou Added to Ekinox-N/D >> >> Both N & D models integrate a bi-frequency GNSS receiver. The addition of the Beidou constellation improves the signal availability in Asia, making the Ekinox position data even more robust. >> >> Easy Configuration >> >> Configuration is made easy with the web interface where all parameters can be quickly displayed and adjusted (Ekinox position, alignment, lever arms, etc). >> MORE INFO >> >> U.S. HYDRO >> >> March 21-22, Galveston, TX, USA >> Visit us booth #56 during "U.S. HYDRO", a hydrographic conference and exhibition. >> MORE INFO >> >> OCEAN BUSINESS >> >> April 4-6, Southampton, United Kingdom >> Register to our Boat Demo and Training! We look forward meeting you on stand E5c. >> MORE INFO >> >> SPIE DCS >> >> 9-13th April 2017, Anaheim, CA, USA >> Meet SBG Systems booth #641 during the SPIE Defense + Commercial Sensing trade show. >> MORE INFO >> SBG Systems EMEA (Headquarters) >> sales at sbg-systems.com | +33 1 80 88 45 00 >> >> SBG Systems North America >> sales.usa at sbg-systems.com | +1 (657) 845 1771 >> >> Worldwide Distributors >> www.sbg-systems.com/company/distributors >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email was sent to jimtoddpsub at aol.com >> why did I get this? unsubscribe from this list update subscription preferences >> SBG Systems ? 3 bis chemin de la Jonchere ? Rueil-malmaison 92500 ? 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Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 23 22:43:06 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:43:06 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate Message-ID: Here's a link that gives quite a bit of information including a reference to their Windows-based software. Once you open the link, the more you scroll down the more you will see; it goes a long way! http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf GPS is great as a starting point before you submerge and for telling you where you are once you surface. Too bad radio signals don't propagate so well under water. In the past we've discussed mounting a GPS antenna on a Diver Below buoy with a cable running to the sub. I don't recall what was said regarding theoretical depth limitations for such a setup as well as the hydrodynamics of towing it. It would be really interesting to see how well your INS position matches up with your GPS when you resurface. I like the idea of knowing just where you are with reasonable precision when submerged, being able to return to a precise location on another day, being able to search or survey methodically, navigating from A to B to C, etc. Jim T. In a message dated 3/23/2017 7:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: On 3/23/2017 6:40 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: There needs to be an underwater GPS !! I remember a discussion, long ago, about a GPS antenna on a mast. I don't recall any resolution. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 23 23:07:12 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 16:07:12 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, re the tow behind buoy (pronounced boy); it would be possible to make a buoy with motors on it that tracked your sub & transmitted GPS positions wirelessly. Minn kota have a system that controls their thruster to keep a boat steady on a certain coordinate. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 24/03/2017, at 3:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Here's a link that gives quite a bit of information including a reference to their Windows-based software. Once you open the link, the more you scroll down the more you will see; it goes a long way! http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf > > GPS is great as a starting point before you submerge and for telling you where you are once you surface. Too bad radio signals don't propagate so well under water. In the past we've discussed mounting a GPS antenna on a Diver Below buoy with a cable running to the sub. I don't recall what was said regarding theoretical depth limitations for such a setup as well as the hydrodynamics of towing it. > > It would be really interesting to see how well your INS position matches up with your GPS when you resurface. I like the idea of knowing just where you are with reasonable precision when submerged, being able to return to a precise location on another day, being able to search or survey methodically, navigating from A to B to C, etc. > > Jim T. > > In a message dated 3/23/2017 7:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: >> On 3/23/2017 6:40 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> There needs to be an underwater GPS !! > > I remember a discussion, long ago, about a GPS antenna on a mast. I don't recall any resolution. > > > Mike > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 24 02:44:14 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:44:14 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate Message-ID: <20170323234414.FE850736@m0087798.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 24 13:06:17 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:06:17 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate Message-ID: <41321a.71603039.4606ac08@aol.com> Alan, Transmit GPS positions wirelessly where? You didn't mean down to the sub, did you? Jim In a message dated 3/23/2017 10:07:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Jim, re the tow behind buoy (pronounced boy); it would be possible to make a buoy with motors on it that tracked your sub & transmitted GPS positions wirelessly. Minn kota have a system that controls their thruster to keep a boat steady on a certain coordinate. Alan Sent from my iPad On 24/03/2017, at 3:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Here's a link that gives quite a bit of information including a reference to their Windows-based software. Once you open the link, the more you scroll down the more you will see; it goes a long way! http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf GPS is great as a starting point before you submerge and for telling you where you are once you surface. Too bad radio signals don't propagate so well under water. In the past we've discussed mounting a GPS antenna on a Diver Below buoy with a cable running to the sub. I don't recall what was said regarding theoretical depth limitations for such a setup as well as the hydrodynamics of towing it. It would be really interesting to see how well your INS position matches up with your GPS when you resurface. I like the idea of knowing just where you are with reasonable precision when submerged, being able to return to a precise location on another day, being able to search or survey methodically, navigating from A to B to C, etc. Jim T. In a message dated 3/23/2017 7:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: On 3/23/2017 6:40 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: There needs to be an underwater GPS !! I remember a discussion, long ago, about a GPS antenna on a mast. I don't recall any resolution. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 24 13:53:33 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 06:53:33 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate In-Reply-To: <41321a.71603039.4606ac08@aol.com> References: <41321a.71603039.4606ac08@aol.com> Message-ID: <7DDC84DC-8A7D-4674-A7B1-21D2017A40F9@yahoo.com> Jim, yes. Just an intermittent signal every 10 seconds or so. I have read about text type communication systems. Here is a passage from a paper that talks about a buoy device. An underwater GPS is primarily a combination of a GPS and an acoustic positioning system and consists of two types [12-19]: a sea surface buoy system using a long baseline and carrying a GPS receiver, which can track, monitor, and dynamically position underwater targets from a sea surface, coastal land, and a plane and has a large operating range but can only position underwater targets that carry acoustic transponders in certain waters; and a system which uses a mother ship equipped with a short baseline or ultra short baseline transceiver and a GPS receiver, which is mobile and flexible but also can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders. Therefore, this paper proposes a way of positioning combining an ultra short baseline, a forward-looking sonar and a GPS receiver, overcoming the limitation of the existing underwater GPS positioning technology that it can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders and realizing the real-time positioning of the longitude and latitude coordinates of any unknown targets in any waters in the WGS84 ellipsoidal coordinate system, and it is also highly mobile. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 25/03/2017, at 6:06 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > Transmit GPS positions wirelessly where? You didn't mean down to the sub, did you? > Jim > > In a message dated 3/23/2017 10:07:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: > Jim, > re the tow behind buoy (pronounced boy); it would be possible to make a > buoy with motors on it that tracked your sub & transmitted GPS positions > wirelessly. Minn kota have a system that controls their thruster to keep > a boat steady on a certain coordinate. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 24/03/2017, at 3:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Here's a link that gives quite a bit of information including a reference to their Windows-based software. Once you open the link, the more you scroll down the more you will see; it goes a long way! http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf >> >> GPS is great as a starting point before you submerge and for telling you where you are once you surface. Too bad radio signals don't propagate so well under water. In the past we've discussed mounting a GPS antenna on a Diver Below buoy with a cable running to the sub. I don't recall what was said regarding theoretical depth limitations for such a setup as well as the hydrodynamics of towing it. >> >> It would be really interesting to see how well your INS position matches up with your GPS when you resurface. I like the idea of knowing just where you are with reasonable precision when submerged, being able to return to a precise location on another day, being able to search or survey methodically, navigating from A to B to C, etc. >> >> Jim T. >> >> In a message dated 3/23/2017 7:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: >>> On 3/23/2017 6:40 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> There needs to be an underwater GPS !! >> >> I remember a discussion, long ago, about a GPS antenna on a mast. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 24 16:48:13 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:48:13 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate In-Reply-To: <7DDC84DC-8A7D-4674-A7B1-21D2017A40F9@yahoo.com> References: <41321a.71603039.4606ac08@aol.com> <7DDC84DC-8A7D-4674-A7B1-21D2017A40F9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42F4E9D1-51D8-4487-9C74-5340B457B23F@yahoo.com> Jim, just had a look in Sea Technology magazine March edition, ( free online magazine) & saw this... http://www.link-quest.com/html/intro2.htm It is a small module that tracks an underwater vehicle, has GPS & communicates to the vehicle via an onboard PC or whatever. Haven't studied it, but I am sure it could translate the underwater vehicles position to maps on the vehicles PC. These days you have GPS mapping apps on your cel phone, so it wouldn't be too hard. The next stage would be using the position signal from the submarine to control motors on the buoy to follow it. On quad copters they have GPS & return to start functions that return the quad copter to it's launch position should it's transmitter lose contact. So the sought of technology to control the buoy thrusters through position signals is alive & well & cheap. I won't be pursuing it, as I need to make my sub first :) Alan Sent from my iPad > On 25/03/2017, at 6:53 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jim, > yes. Just an intermittent signal every 10 seconds or so. I have > read about text type communication systems. > Here is a passage from a paper that talks about a buoy device. > > An underwater GPS is primarily a combination of a GPS and an acoustic positioning system and consists of two types [12-19]: a sea surface buoy system using a long baseline and carrying a GPS receiver, which can track, monitor, and dynamically position underwater targets from a sea surface, coastal land, and a plane and has a large operating range but can only position underwater targets that carry acoustic transponders in certain waters; and a system which uses a mother ship equipped with a short baseline or ultra short baseline transceiver and a GPS receiver, which is mobile and flexible but also can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders. Therefore, this paper proposes a way of positioning combining an ultra short baseline, a forward-looking sonar and a GPS receiver, overcoming the limitation of the existing underwater GPS positioning technology that it can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders and realizing the real-time positioning of the longitude and latitude coordinates of any unknown targets in any waters in the WGS84 ellipsoidal coordinate system, and it is also highly mobile. > > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 25/03/2017, at 6:06 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, >> Transmit GPS positions wirelessly where? You didn't mean down to the sub, did you? >> Jim >> >> In a message dated 3/23/2017 10:07:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: >> Jim, >> re the tow behind buoy (pronounced boy); it would be possible to make a >> buoy with motors on it that tracked your sub & transmitted GPS positions >> wirelessly. Minn kota have a system that controls their thruster to keep >> a boat steady on a certain coordinate. >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 24/03/2017, at 3:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Here's a link that gives quite a bit of information including a reference to their Windows-based software. Once you open the link, the more you scroll down the more you will see; it goes a long way! http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf >>> >>> GPS is great as a starting point before you submerge and for telling you where you are once you surface. Too bad radio signals don't propagate so well under water. In the past we've discussed mounting a GPS antenna on a Diver Below buoy with a cable running to the sub. I don't recall what was said regarding theoretical depth limitations for such a setup as well as the hydrodynamics of towing it. >>> >>> It would be really interesting to see how well your INS position matches up with your GPS when you resurface. I like the idea of knowing just where you are with reasonable precision when submerged, being able to return to a precise location on another day, being able to search or survey methodically, navigating from A to B to C, etc. >>> >>> Jim T. >>> >>> In a message dated 3/23/2017 7:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: >>>> On 3/23/2017 6:40 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> There needs to be an underwater GPS !! >>> >>> I remember a discussion, long ago, about a GPS antenna on a mast. I don't recall any resolution. >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the mean time I have booked a pressure test for Elementary 3000 at Nuytco for Monday morning. ?The occupant sphere is all loaded up for the 10hr drive Sunday. ??Tim if your around, the test is at 9;30 am. ?I know you drive by Nuytco every day for work. ?You might have to call in sick or call in "gotta watch a sub test" ?hahaI admit that ?I am nervous but also confident. ?I can talk all I want, but the pressure test has the final say!Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know you drive by Nuytco every day for work. You might have to call in sick or call in "gotta watch a sub test" haha > I admit that I am nervous but also confident. I can talk all I want, but the pressure test has the final say! > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 24 21:41:06 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:41:06 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate Message-ID: <3d2be9.24cf3a7e.460724b2@aol.com> Alan, That's quite interesting. I haven't been familiar with acoustic modems. In addition to positioning, I can appreciate that they would have greater range capabilities for communication than the other (but much cheaper) technology that we have accessible as amateurs I've had to pull way back from my focus on sub design and technology for a good while. By the time I return I'm hoping you guys will be field testing Inertial Navigation Systems and have a couple of different configurations to share info on. Cheers, Jim In a message dated 3/24/2017 3:48:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Jim, just had a look in Sea Technology magazine March edition, ( free online magazine) & saw this... http://www.link-quest.com/html/intro2.htm It is a small module that tracks an underwater vehicle, has GPS & communicates to the vehicle via an onboard PC or whatever. Haven't studied it, but I am sure it could translate the underwater vehicles position to maps on the vehicles PC. These days you have GPS mapping apps on your cel phone, so it wouldn't be too hard. The next stage would be using the position signal from the submarine to control motors on the buoy to follow it. On quad copters they have GPS & return to start functions that return the quad copter to it's launch position should it's transmitter lose contact. So the sought of technology to control the buoy thrusters through position signals is alive & well & cheap. I won't be pursuing it, as I need to make my sub first :) Alan Sent from my iPad On 25/03/2017, at 6:53 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jim, yes. Just an intermittent signal every 10 seconds or so. I have read about text type communication systems. Here is a passage from a paper that talks about a buoy device. An underwater GPS is primarily a combination of a GPS and an acoustic positioning system and consists of two types [12-19]: a sea surface buoy system using a long baseline and carrying a GPS receiver, which can track, monitor, and dynamically position underwater targets from a sea surface, coastal land, and a plane and has a large operating range but can only position underwater targets that carry acoustic transponders in certain waters; and a system which uses a mother ship equipped with a short baseline or ultra short baseline transceiver and a GPS receiver, which is mobile and flexible but also can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders. Therefore, this paper proposes a way of positioning combining an ultra short baseline, a forward-looking sonar and a GPS receiver, overcoming the limitation of the existing underwater GPS positioning technology that it can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders and realizing the real-time positioning of the longitude and latitude coordinates of any unknown targets in any waters in the WGS84 ellipsoidal coordinate system, and it is also highly mobile. Alan Sent from my iPad On 25/03/2017, at 6:06 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, Transmit GPS positions wirelessly where? You didn't mean down to the sub, did you? Jim In a message dated 3/23/2017 10:07:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Jim, re the tow behind buoy (pronounced boy); it would be possible to make a buoy with motors on it that tracked your sub & transmitted GPS positions wirelessly. Minn kota have a system that controls their thruster to keep a boat steady on a certain coordinate. Alan Sent from my iPad On 24/03/2017, at 3:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Here's a link that gives quite a bit of information including a reference to their Windows-based software. Once you open the link, the more you scroll down the more you will see; it goes a long way! http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf GPS is great as a starting point before you submerge and for telling you where you are once you surface. Too bad radio signals don't propagate so well under water. In the past we've discussed mounting a GPS antenna on a Diver Below buoy with a cable running to the sub. I don't recall what was said regarding theoretical depth limitations for such a setup as well as the hydrodynamics of towing it. It would be really interesting to see how well your INS position matches up with your GPS when you resurface. I like the idea of knowing just where you are with reasonable precision when submerged, being able to return to a precise location on another day, being able to search or survey methodically, navigating from A to B to C, etc. Jim T. In a message dated 3/23/2017 7:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: On 3/23/2017 6:40 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: There needs to be an underwater GPS !! I remember a discussion, long ago, about a GPS antenna on a mast. I don't recall any resolution. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 24 23:26:17 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:26:17 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure test In-Reply-To: rWbPcIyIFH2VwrWbQcggfK References: <1596886721.3298689.1490389214246.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1596886721.3298689.1490389214246@mail.yahoo.com> rWbPcIyIFH2VwrWbQcggfK Message-ID: <008101d2a517$91a2eb90$b4e8c2b0$@telus.net> Unfortunately, I no longer work two blocks from Nuytco. Now it's about a 45 minute drive. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 2:13 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure test Good luck! Exciting! I'm sure it will be great! Greg On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:00 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi All, I am pretty bored waiting for the lake level to rise 9 more inches so I can launch Gamma for pressure testing and all around fun dives. In the mean time I have booked a pressure test for Elementary 3000 at Nuytco for Monday morning. The occupant sphere is all loaded up for the 10hr drive Sunday. Tim if your around, the test is at 9;30 am. I know you drive by Nuytco every day for work. You might have to call in sick or call in "gotta watch a sub test" haha I admit that I am nervous but also confident. I can talk all I want, but the pressure test has the final say! Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 24 23:33:50 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:33:50 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate In-Reply-To: <3d2be9.24cf3a7e.460724b2@aol.com> References: <3d2be9.24cf3a7e.460724b2@aol.com> Message-ID: Jim, this is interesting, it's a diver tracking system called diver 6. The video gives a good overview Not sure of the price. http://www.diver6.com/ Hope you get back on your project soon. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 25/03/2017, at 2:41 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > > That's quite interesting. I haven't been familiar with acoustic modems. In addition to positioning, I can appreciate that they would have greater range capabilities for communication than the other (but much cheaper) technology that we have accessible as amateurs > > I've had to pull way back from my focus on sub design and technology for a good while. By the time I return I'm hoping you guys will be field testing Inertial Navigation Systems and have a couple of different configurations to share info on. > > Cheers, > Jim > > In a message dated 3/24/2017 3:48:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: > Jim, > just had a look in Sea Technology magazine March edition, ( free online magazine) > & saw this... > http://www.link-quest.com/html/intro2.htm > It is a small module that tracks an underwater vehicle, has GPS & communicates > to the vehicle via an onboard PC or whatever. Haven't studied it, but I am sure > it could translate the underwater vehicles position to maps on the vehicles PC. > These days you have GPS mapping apps on your cel phone, so it wouldn't be too > hard. The next stage would be using the position signal from the submarine to > control motors on the buoy to follow it. On quad copters they have GPS & return > to start functions that return the quad copter to it's launch position should it's > transmitter lose contact. So the sought of technology to control the buoy thrusters > through position signals is alive & well & cheap. > I won't be pursuing it, as I need to make my sub first :) > Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 25/03/2017, at 6:53 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Jim, >> yes. Just an intermittent signal every 10 seconds or so. I have >> read about text type communication systems. >> Here is a passage from a paper that talks about a buoy device. >> >> An underwater GPS is primarily a combination of a GPS and an acoustic positioning system and consists of two types [12-19]: a sea surface buoy system using a long baseline and carrying a GPS receiver, which can track, monitor, and dynamically position underwater targets from a sea surface, coastal land, and a plane and has a large operating range but can only position underwater targets that carry acoustic transponders in certain waters; and a system which uses a mother ship equipped with a short baseline or ultra short baseline transceiver and a GPS receiver, which is mobile and flexible but also can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders. Therefore, this paper proposes a way of positioning combining an ultra short baseline, a forward-looking sonar and a GPS receiver, overcoming the limitation of the existing underwater GPS positioning technology that it can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders and realizing the real-time positioning of the longitude and latitude coordinates of any unknown targets in any waters in the WGS84 ellipsoidal coordinate system, and it is also highly mobile. >> >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 25/03/2017, at 6:06 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Alan, >>> Transmit GPS positions wirelessly where? You didn't mean down to the sub, did you? >>> Jim >>> >>> In a message dated 3/23/2017 10:07:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: >>> Jim, >>> re the tow behind buoy (pronounced boy); it would be possible to make a >>> buoy with motors on it that tracked your sub & transmitted GPS positions >>> wirelessly. Minn kota have a system that controls their thruster to keep >>> a boat steady on a certain coordinate. >>> Alan >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 24/03/2017, at 3:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> Here's a link that gives quite a bit of information including a reference to their Windows-based software. Once you open the link, the more you scroll down the more you will see; it goes a long way! http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf >>>> >>>> GPS is great as a starting point before you submerge and for telling you where you are once you surface. Too bad radio signals don't propagate so well under water. In the past we've discussed mounting a GPS antenna on a Diver Below buoy with a cable running to the sub. I don't recall what was said regarding theoretical depth limitations for such a setup as well as the hydrodynamics of towing it. >>>> >>>> It would be really interesting to see how well your INS position matches up with your GPS when you resurface. I like the idea of knowing just where you are with reasonable precision when submerged, being able to return to a precise location on another day, being able to search or survey methodically, navigating from A to B to C, etc. >>>> >>>> Jim T. >>>> >>>> In a message dated 3/23/2017 7:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: >>>>> On 3/23/2017 6:40 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> There needs to be an underwater GPS !! >>>> >>>> I remember a discussion, long ago, about a GPS antenna on a mast. I don't recall any resolution. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > = > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 25 11:23:03 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure test In-Reply-To: <35D8AC83-8948-4194-A6A7-2130644420A5@snyderemail.com> References: <1596886721.3298689.1490389214246.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1596886721.3298689.1490389214246@mail.yahoo.com> <35D8AC83-8948-4194-A6A7-2130644420A5@snyderemail.com> Message-ID: <634666849.2843395.1490455383013@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks' GregIt is very exciting, ?and it will be nice to have closure on a build.Hank On Friday, March 24, 2017 3:12 PM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Good luck! Exciting! I'm sure it will be great! Greg On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:00 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I am pretty bored waiting for the lake level to rise 9 more ?inches so I can launch Gamma for pressure testing and all around fun dives. ? In the mean time I have booked a pressure test for Elementary 3000 at Nuytco for Monday morning. ?The occupant sphere is all loaded up for the 10hr drive Sunday. ??Tim if your around, the test is at 9;30 am. ?I know you drive by Nuytco every day for work. ?You might have to call in sick or call in "gotta watch a sub test" ?hahaI admit that ?I am nervous but also confident. ?I can talk all I want, but the pressure test has the final say!Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 25 11:38:08 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:38:08 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Generation Inertial Sensors - Twice as Accurate Message-ID: <548c57.2fc3140b.4607e8e0@aol.com> Alan, That is really interesting. I got the impression that the smallest package they sell is one surface unit with three under-water units. However that might be negotiable. Jim In a message dated 3/24/2017 10:34:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Jim, this is interesting, it's a diver tracking system called diver 6. The video gives a good overview Not sure of the price. http://www.diver6.com/ Hope you get back on your project soon. Alan Sent from my iPad On 25/03/2017, at 2:41 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, That's quite interesting. I haven't been familiar with acoustic modems. In addition to positioning, I can appreciate that they would have greater range capabilities for communication than the other (but much cheaper) technology that we have accessible as amateurs I've had to pull way back from my focus on sub design and technology for a good while. By the time I return I'm hoping you guys will be field testing Inertial Navigation Systems and have a couple of different configurations to share info on. Cheers, Jim In a message dated 3/24/2017 3:48:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Jim, just had a look in Sea Technology magazine March edition, ( free online magazine) & saw this... http://www.link-quest.com/html/intro2.htm It is a small module that tracks an underwater vehicle, has GPS & communicates to the vehicle via an onboard PC or whatever. Haven't studied it, but I am sure it could translate the underwater vehicles position to maps on the vehicles PC. These days you have GPS mapping apps on your cel phone, so it wouldn't be too hard. The next stage would be using the position signal from the submarine to control motors on the buoy to follow it. On quad copters they have GPS & return to start functions that return the quad copter to it's launch position should it's transmitter lose contact. So the sought of technology to control the buoy thrusters through position signals is alive & well & cheap. I won't be pursuing it, as I need to make my sub first :) Alan Sent from my iPad On 25/03/2017, at 6:53 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jim, yes. Just an intermittent signal every 10 seconds or so. I have read about text type communication systems. Here is a passage from a paper that talks about a buoy device. An underwater GPS is primarily a combination of a GPS and an acoustic positioning system and consists of two types [12-19]: a sea surface buoy system using a long baseline and carrying a GPS receiver, which can track, monitor, and dynamically position underwater targets from a sea surface, coastal land, and a plane and has a large operating range but can only position underwater targets that carry acoustic transponders in certain waters; and a system which uses a mother ship equipped with a short baseline or ultra short baseline transceiver and a GPS receiver, which is mobile and flexible but also can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders. Therefore, this paper proposes a way of positioning combining an ultra short baseline, a forward-looking sonar and a GPS receiver, overcoming the limitation of the existing underwater GPS positioning technology that it can only position targets equipped with acoustic transponders and realizing the real-time positioning of the longitude and latitude coordinates of any unknown targets in any waters in the WGS84 ellipsoidal coordinate system, and it is also highly mobile. Alan Sent from my iPad On 25/03/2017, at 6:06 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, Transmit GPS positions wirelessly where? You didn't mean down to the sub, did you? Jim In a message dated 3/23/2017 10:07:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Jim, re the tow behind buoy (pronounced boy); it would be possible to make a buoy with motors on it that tracked your sub & transmitted GPS positions wirelessly. Minn kota have a system that controls their thruster to keep a boat steady on a certain coordinate. Alan Sent from my iPad On 24/03/2017, at 3:43 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Here's a link that gives quite a bit of information including a reference to their Windows-based software. Once you open the link, the more you scroll down the more you will see; it goes a long way! http://www.seismic.com.au/assets/pdf/SBG_Systems-Ellipse_Series_Brochure.pdf GPS is great as a starting point before you submerge and for telling you where you are once you surface. Too bad radio signals don't propagate so well under water. In the past we've discussed mounting a GPS antenna on a Diver Below buoy with a cable running to the sub. I don't recall what was said regarding theoretical depth limitations for such a setup as well as the hydrodynamics of towing it. It would be really interesting to see how well your INS position matches up with your GPS when you resurface. I like the idea of knowing just where you are with reasonable precision when submerged, being able to return to a precise location on another day, being able to search or survey methodically, navigating from A to B to C, etc. Jim T. In a message dated 3/23/2017 7:55:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: On 3/23/2017 6:40 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: There needs to be an underwater GPS !! I remember a discussion, long ago, about a GPS antenna on a mast. I don't recall any resolution. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 25 15:45:15 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 12:45:15 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: qUP4cr43QH2VwqUP6cJi02 References: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> q7FrcAOtKsVy3q7FscAcEE qUP4cr43QH2VwqUP6cJi02 Message-ID: <002601d2a5a0$53e124a0$fba36de0$@telus.net> Vance, et al Bob Brayman is selling his SST Reef Ranger. This one is currently operational and used at Halls Diving Center in Marathon for advanced diver training. I dropped by in November in and talked to Bo and took a few photos of the sub. This opportunity is about two years too soon for me to jump on it. Bob's email to me: It is the sub that was used in the James Bond movies (Thunderball, and others) and in the movie navy seals with Charlie Sheen. We use it in our diving career courses to train underwater submersibles. You can see it on my website www.hallsdiving.com. We are going through it at this time to make sure it will be in tip top shape. If you are interested please contact me. I have other parties that are also interested. Since we have talked before I thought I would reach out to you first. How much do I want? I have not decided. I feel like I am selling a dear relative. Contact me if you if you would like to have a shot at buying it. Sincerely, Bob Brayman Hall's Diving Center & Career Institute 5050 Overseas Highway Marathon, FL 33050 305-743-5929 800-331-4255 305-743-8168 FAX 305-395-0478 CELL From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:44 PM To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I watched the Reef Ranger auction to completion, it went for about $9500. Vance, were you the one who bought this one? A very good deal considering that Hall's in Marathon was offered $50,000 for theirs and was declined. Rick in Hawaii had a couple but I never did get his price. Vance, you mentioned that the molds and tooling may be available from the defunct SST. Any thoughts? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:01 PM To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Yes, that's the one!!! -----Original Message----- From: MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub I have seen the movie.. Means to remember the use two of them. The bad guys use it. I think ist was the same movie were they use the underwater Lotus. Bond drop a anti tank mine from the underwater car and destroy one of the reef rangers behind him. Lot of submarines in that movie. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub Datum: 2017-03-20T22:15:19+0100 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" > Never seen this one in a movie .Interesting though.. https://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/10420170-sst-submersible-reef-ranger-duikboot-divers-propulsion-vehicle-uit-de-james-bond-films-en-ook-verscheidene-andere-films Located in Portugal Best regards, Emile ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 25 21:18:24 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 21:18:24 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: <002601d2a5a0$53e124a0$fba36de0$@telus.net> References: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> <002601d2a5a0$53e124a0$fba36de0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <546551ca-7211-3fb7-e52f-863b6c13d1d1@psubs.org> $50k sounds a bit exorbitant even with the movie history behind it. However, like I always say, a submarine is worth whatever it is someone is willing to pay for it. Jon On 3/25/2017 3:45 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Vance, et al > > Bob Brayman is selling his SST Reef Ranger. This one is currently > operational and used at Halls Diving Center in Marathon for advanced > diver training. I dropped by in November in and talked to Bo and took > a few photos of the sub. This opportunity is about two years too soon > for me to jump on it. Bob's email to me: > > It is the sub that was used in the James Bond movies (Thunderball, and > others) and in the movie navy seals with Charlie Sheen. We use it in > our diving career courses to train underwater submersibles. You can > see it on my website www.hallsdiving.com . > We are going through it at this time to make sure it will be in tip > top shape. If you are interested please contact me. I have other > parties that are also interested. Since we have talked before I > thought I would reach out to you first. > > How much do I want? I have not decided. I feel like I am selling a > dear relative. Contact me if you if you would like to have a shot at > buying it. > > Sincerely, > > Bob Brayman > > Hall's Diving Center & Career Institute > > 5050 Overseas Highway > > Marathon, FL 33050 > > 305-743-5929 > > 800-331-4255 > > 305-743-8168 FAX > > 305-395-0478 CELL > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 25 22:01:25 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:01:25 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] James Bond wetsub In-Reply-To: <546551ca-7211-3fb7-e52f-863b6c13d1d1@psubs.org> References: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> <002601d2a5a0$53e124a0$fba36de0$@telus.net> <546551ca-7211-3fb7-e52f-863b6c13d1d1@psubs.org> Message-ID: Hi Jon, My email address has changed and sent you a couple of emails regarding that but haven't gotten a confirmation from you that it's been changed. Are you the one to do it or is it someone else? if so who? It's now " satwelder at gmail.com Thanks Rick P On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > $50k sounds a bit exorbitant even with the movie history behind it. > However, like I always say, a submarine is worth whatever it is someone is > willing to pay for it. > > Jon > > On 3/25/2017 3:45 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Vance, et al > > > > Bob Brayman is selling his SST Reef Ranger. This one is currently > operational and used at Halls Diving Center in Marathon for advanced diver > training. I dropped by in November in and talked to Bo and took a few > photos of the sub. This opportunity is about two years too soon for me to > jump on it. Bob's email to me: > > It is the sub that was used in the James Bond movies (Thunderball, and > others) and in the movie navy seals with Charlie Sheen. We use it in our > diving career courses to train underwater submersibles. You can see it on > my website www.hallsdiving.com. We are going through it at this time to > make sure it will be in tip top shape. If you are interested please contact > me. I have other parties that are also interested. Since we have talked > before I thought I would reach out to you first. > > > > How much do I want? I have not decided. I feel like I am selling a dear > relative. Contact me if you if you would like to have a shot at buying it. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Bob Brayman > > Hall's Diving Center & Career Institute > > 5050 Overseas Highway > > Marathon, FL 33050 > > 305-743-5929 <(305)%20743-5929> > > 800-331-4255 <(800)%20331-4255> > > 305-743-8168 <(305)%20743-8168> FAX > > 305-395-0478 <(305)%20395-0478> CELL > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 25 22:33:18 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:33:18 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] How to Join Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <1490046794999.2421567.ae6aad695eb7218e72e479b52058fa9c1bd10211@spica.telekom.de> <002601d2a5a0$53e124a0$fba36de0$@telus.net> <546551ca-7211-3fb7-e52f-863b6c13d1d1@psubs.org> Message-ID: Hi Rick, I haven't gotten through all my mail and deleted large chunks of it so I could have missed it. However, adding your email is self-serve. Go to your new account and send an email to join-personal_submersibles at psubs.org being careful to use the hyphen "-" and underbar "_" appropriately. You'll get a confirmation message from the PSUBS server within a few minutes. If you don't see it in the "inbox" folder, check the "Spam", "Promotional", and "Social" folders which is where gmail might put it. Follow the instructions in that email and reply to that message to confirm you want your new email address added to the discussion list. The server will add it and then send one more message welcoming you to the discussion list at which point the new address is activated. Jon On 3/25/2017 10:01 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Jon, > > My email address has changed and sent you a couple of emails regarding > that but haven't gotten a confirmation from you that it's been > changed. Are you the one to do it or is it someone else? if so who? > It's now "satwelder at gmail.com > > Thanks > > > Rick P -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You'll > get a confirmation message from the PSUBS server within a few minutes. If > you don't see it in the "inbox" folder, check the "Spam", "Promotional", > and "Social" folders which is where gmail might put it. Follow the > instructions in that email and reply to that message to confirm you want > your new email address added to the discussion list. The server will add > it and then send one more message welcoming you to the discussion list at > which point the new address is activated. > > Jon > > > On 3/25/2017 10:01 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Jon, > > My email address has changed and sent you a couple of emails regarding > that but haven't gotten a confirmation from you that it's been changed. Are > you the one to do it or is it someone else? if so who? It's now " > satwelder at gmail.com > > Thanks > > > Rick P > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It > is as if, the port is > > moulded to the seat. I was lucky the port lined up with the window in the > chamber, so I could see the port with a flashlight. > I got the rock star treatment, everyone was so gracious. I also had an > unexpected tour of the shop and the new ROV. Wow that machine is cutting > edge and big!. > I left Nuytco re-energized and my wife had a good grip on the cheque book > LOL. I also left with some new ideas that will solve a couple of problems > I have with Elementary > Hank > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There was an interesting sound (bang) coming from the chamber at 1,000 feet but there is evidence of any issue.? I think the hatch was just centering itself.? I was amazed at how the vacuum grease becomes one with the seat so to speak at depth.? It is as if, the port is? moulded to the seat.? I was lucky the port lined up with the window in the chamber, so I could see the port with a flashlight. ?I got the rock star treatment, everyone was so gracious.? I also had an unexpected tour of the shop and the new ROV.? Wow that machine is cutting edge and big!. ?I left Nuytco re-energized and my wife had a good grip on the cheque book LOL.? 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There was an interesting sound (bang) coming from the chamber at 1,000 feet but there is evidence of any issue. I think the hatch was just centering itself. I was amazed at how the vacuum grease becomes one with the seat so to speak at depth. It is as if, the port is >> >> moulded to the seat. I was lucky the port lined up with the window in the chamber, so I could see the port with a flashlight. >> I got the rock star treatment, everyone was so gracious. I also had an unexpected tour of the shop and the new ROV. Wow that machine is cutting edge and big!. >> I left Nuytco re-energized and my wife had a good grip on the cheque book LOL. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Mar 27 22:56:10 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:56:10 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure test In-Reply-To: <2013378783.4249032.1490666057304@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2013378783.4249032.1490666057304.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2013378783.4249032.1490666057304@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So awesome!!! You give all of us hope! > On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > I am happy to report my pressure test to 2,815 feet went perfect. We kept the sub at depth for 1 hr with no issues. There was an interesting sound (bang) coming from the chamber at 1,000 feet but there is evidence of any issue. I think the hatch was just centering itself. I was amazed at how the vacuum grease becomes one with the seat so to speak at depth. It is as if, the port is > > moulded to the seat. I was lucky the port lined up with the window in the chamber, so I could see the port with a flashlight. > I got the rock star treatment, everyone was so gracious. I also had an unexpected tour of the shop and the new ROV. Wow that machine is cutting edge and big!. > I left Nuytco re-energized and my wife had a good grip on the cheque book LOL. I also left with some new ideas that will solve a couple of problems I have with Elementary > Hank > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Mar 27 23:11:59 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:11:59 +1100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure test In-Reply-To: References: <2013378783.4249032.1490666057304.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2013378783.4249032.1490666057304@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations Hank! Cheers, Steve On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > So awesome!!! > You give all of us hope! > > On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > I am happy to report my pressure test to 2,815 feet went perfect. We > kept the sub at depth for 1 hr with no issues. There was an interesting > sound (bang) coming from the chamber at 1,000 feet but there is evidence of > any issue. I think the hatch was just centering itself. I was amazed at > how the vacuum grease becomes one with the seat so to speak at depth. It > is as if, the port is > > moulded to the seat. I was lucky the port lined up with the window in the > chamber, so I could see the port with a flashlight. > I got the rock star treatment, everyone was so gracious. I also had an > unexpected tour of the shop and the new ROV. Wow that machine is cutting > edge and big!. > I left Nuytco re-energized and my wife had a good grip on the cheque book > LOL. I also left with some new ideas that will solve a couple of problems > I have with Elementary > Hank > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 28 01:22:02 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <20170327194947.FE85DFB6@m0087798.ppops.net> References: <20170327194947.FE85DFB6@m0087798.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1490678522134.3508199.d02364a8aa341ba7f1d42cdd6aabfc8f141b97b3@spica.telekom.de> Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . Brian ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 28 04:52:22 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:52:22 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure test In-Reply-To: References: <2013378783.4249032.1490666057304.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2013378783.4249032.1490666057304@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice one hank. Good job. On 28 March 2017 at 04:11, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Congratulations Hank! > > Cheers, > Steve > > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > >> So awesome!!! >> You give all of us hope! >> >> On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> I am happy to report my pressure test to 2,815 feet went perfect. We >> kept the sub at depth for 1 hr with no issues. There was an interesting >> sound (bang) coming from the chamber at 1,000 feet but there is evidence of >> any issue. I think the hatch was just centering itself. I was amazed at >> how the vacuum grease becomes one with the seat so to speak at depth. It >> is as if, the port is >> >> moulded to the seat. I was lucky the port lined up with the window in >> the chamber, so I could see the port with a flashlight. >> I got the rock star treatment, everyone was so gracious. I also had an >> unexpected tour of the shop and the new ROV. Wow that machine is cutting >> edge and big!. >> I left Nuytco re-energized and my wife had a good grip on the cheque book >> LOL. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 28 07:43:03 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:43:03 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure test Message-ID: <75a70.5378b506.460ba647@aol.com> Hank, You work well under pressure. Any pics of the test chamber or the event? Jim In a message dated 3/28/2017 3:52:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Nice one hank. Good job. On 28 March 2017 at 04:11, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Congratulations Hank! Cheers, Steve On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: So awesome!!! You give all of us hope! On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I am happy to report my pressure test to 2,815 feet went perfect. We kept the sub at depth for 1 hr with no issues. There was an interesting sound (bang) coming from the chamber at 1,000 feet but there is evidence of any issue. I think the hatch was just centering itself. I was amazed at how the vacuum grease becomes one with the seat so to speak at depth. It is as if, the port is moulded to the seat. I was lucky the port lined up with the window in the chamber, so I could see the port with a flashlight. I got the rock star treatment, everyone was so gracious. I also had an unexpected tour of the shop and the new ROV. Wow that machine is cutting edge and big!. I left Nuytco re-energized and my wife had a good grip on the cheque book LOL. 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I was lucky the port lined up with the window in the > chamber, so I could see the port with a flashlight. > I got the rock star treatment, everyone was so gracious. I also had an > unexpected tour of the shop and the new ROV. Wow that machine is cutting > edge and big!. > I left Nuytco re-energized and my wife had a good grip on the cheque book > LOL. I also left with some new ideas that will solve a couple of problems > I have with Elementary > Hank > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Hi Carsten, I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . Brian _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 28 13:41:37 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 17:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma for sale References: <2070372894.5708173.1490722897782.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2070372894.5708173.1490722897782@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, ?Thank you for the Kudoo's?After my trip to test Elementary, I am going in a different direction with subs. ?I am loosing interest in single handed short excursions to the same places. ?I want to focus on going deeper and less often. ?For that reason I am selling Gamma, and of coarse expect a significant loss overall. ?There is a financial loss with most toys but the education I got is worth it. ?So I will sell the sub on the shipping frame for 50K ?US. and that includes all the bits and pieces ?but does not include the manipulator package as it belongs to Elementary.Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 28 14:03:04 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] pressure test In-Reply-To: <75a70.5378b506.460ba647@aol.com> References: <75a70.5378b506.460ba647@aol.com> Message-ID: <1408817080.4753283.1490724184019@mail.yahoo.com> Jim,I posted a few pictures of the chamber on my Psubs page.Hank On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 5:43 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,You work well under pressure.? Any pics of the test chamber or the event?Jim??In a message dated 3/28/2017 3:52:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Nice one hank.? Good job. On 28 March 2017 at 04:11, Stephen Fordyce via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Congratulations Hank! Cheers, Steve On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles wrote: So awesome!!! You give all of us hope! On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I am happy to report my pressure test to ?2,815 feet went perfect.? We kept the sub at depth for 1 hr with no issues.? There was an interesting sound (bang) coming from the chamber at 1,000 feet but there is evidence of any issue.? I think the hatch was just centering itself.? I was amazed at how the vacuum grease becomes one with the seat so to speak at depth.? It is as if, the port is? moulded to the seat.? I was lucky the port lined up with the window in the chamber, so I could see the port with a flashlight. ? I got the rock star treatment, everyone was so gracious.? I also had an unexpected tour of the shop and the new ROV.? Wow that machine is cutting edge and big!. ? I left Nuytco re-energized and my wife had a good grip on the cheque book LOL.? I also left with some new ideas that ?will solve a couple of problems I have with Elementary Hank ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.or g http://www.psubs.org/mailman/l istinfo.cgi/personal_submersib les ______________________________ _________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs. org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/ listinfo.cgi/personal_ submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 28 14:08:41 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:08:41 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma for sale In-Reply-To: <2070372894.5708173.1490722897782@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2070372894.5708173.1490722897782.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2070372894.5708173.1490722897782@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If I could find a buyer for Snoopy I would be interested in moving up to Gamma. Would anyone be interested in purchasing Snoopy for 25K? ~ Doug On 3/28/17, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi All, Thank you for the Kudoo's After my trip to test Elementary, I am > going in a different direction with subs. I am loosing interest in single > handed short excursions to the same places. I want to focus on going deeper > and less often. For that reason I am selling Gamma, and of coarse expect a > significant loss overall. There is a financial loss with most toys but the > education I got is worth it. So I will sell the sub on the shipping frame > for 50K US. and that includes all the bits and pieces but does not include > the manipulator package as it belongs to Elementary.Hank From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 28 16:22:53 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:22:53 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <20170328104323.FE826162@m0087796.ppops.net> References: <20170328104323.FE826162@m0087796.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1490732573768.3624847.e8762f05fd9b6c84a4b68d82b635d37b2c885fff@spica.telekom.de> Seems so. But is much more expensive. Look for silicon oil oil with a real low cST (centi stokes) 0,65 - 5 (more liquid than water) Lower cST means less resistance for the rotating part. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T19:47:20+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Carsten, Does the silicon oil solve all these problems ? Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:53:22 +0200 (MEST) On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Hi Carsten, I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 28 20:53:33 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scrubber performance References: <1765923046.5749607.1490748813264.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1765923046.5749607.1490748813264@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All,While touring the DW's I asked Phil about the scrubbers and if they ever insulate. ?He said no need because the scrubber gives off enough heat and in the Arctic the DW's stay at 78 or so degrees from body heat and heat from the scrubber. ?I mentioned that I need to warm up my scrubber before a dive. ?Phil says it is likely because I am not using Soda Sorb brand. ?The DW's do not need to run scrubbers until the hatch closes. ?Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 09:00:30 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 13:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation .???Brian?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He said no need because the scrubber gives off enough heat and in the Arctic the DW's stay at 78 or so degrees from body heat and heat from the scrubber. I mentioned that I need to warm up my scrubber before a dive. Phil says it is likely because I am not using Soda Sorb brand. The DW's do not need to run scrubbers until the hatch closes. Hank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 12:10:16 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 18:10:16 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02d101d2a8a6$f42d1b40$dc8751c0$@nl> Totally agree with you. With clever positioning of the connections and 2nd stage, any (condensated) water will be expelled when ascending. BR, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2017 15:01 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C _____ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Hi Carsten, I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . Brian _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 15:16:51 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 08:16:51 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <02d101d2a8a6$f42d1b40$dc8751c0$@nl> References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> <02d101d2a8a6$f42d1b40$dc8751c0$@nl> Message-ID: <67C5EC47-0ACA-492E-B241-27EBAABEF428@yahoo.com> One problem with air compensation or using really thin oil is it is not good for the bearings. The thinner the oil the shorter their life. If the motor is designed for the heat produced with air compensation (large windings large motor) then you could get away with it. The Minn kota are obviously designed for this. But if you are taking a golf cart motor that is normally exposed to some air cooling ( like Brian is doing,) & creating an oven around it, then you may run in to some problems. As I have said before, if you grind a piece of steel till it is red hot it will take several minutes to cool but if you plunge it in water it cools immediately, hence the huge advantage of oil compensation for cooling. Extreme heat can demagnetise the magnets & continual overheating will shorten the life of the windings. Brian was talking about measuring the heat inside his motor, so I guess he can plan for either option if the motor gets too hot. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 30/03/2017, at 5:10 AM, emile via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Totally agree with you. > > With clever positioning of the connections and 2nd stage, any (condensated) water will be expelled when ascending. > > BR, Emile > > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2017 15:01 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. > Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. > Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. > It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. > > Greg C > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. > On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. > Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Hi Carsten, > I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. > I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) > > Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. > May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. > We change to silicon oil for that reason. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "PSubs" > > > > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ? > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 15:22:41 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:22:41 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <02d101d2a8a6$f42d1b40$dc8751c0$@nl> References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> <02d101d2a8a6$f42d1b40$dc8751c0$@nl> Message-ID: <1490815361111.3866954.f598ee7031da211d8deb006bf959344d074aa200@spica.telekom.de> Air compensation will work for sure. But corrosion can be an issue. I prefer oil compensation with silicon oil. Its harmless to the invorement and base for our sun protecion soap.. But Air compensation has the higher engine efficenciy.. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-29T20:15:49+0200 Von: "emile via Personal_Submersibles" An: "'Personal Submersibles General Discussion'" Totally agree with you. With clever positioning of the connections and 2nd stage, any (condensated) water will be expelled when ascending. BR, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2017 15:01 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Hi Carsten, I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles " < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org > An: "PSubs" > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 17:40:42 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <126469303.684678.1490823642880@mail.yahoo.com> Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. ?I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. ?One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. ?I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. ?The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. ?I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation .???Brian?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. ?I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. ?One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. ?I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. ?The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. ?I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation .???Brian?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles?_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 18:30:24 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 11:30:24 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <126469303.684678.1490823642880@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> <126469303.684678.1490823642880@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32187E01-9181-47A3-89CE-F26700EC758E@yahoo.com> How are you doing that Hank? Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth rating. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad > On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Greg, > Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. > Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. > Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. > It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. > > Greg C > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. > On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. > Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Hi Carsten, > I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. > I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) > > Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. > May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. > We change to silicon oil for that reason. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "PSubs" > > > > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. 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Stay tuned for test results.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank?Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motorswhere one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depthrating.Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. ?I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. ?One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. ?I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. ?The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. ?I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 19:35:40 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 12:35:40 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <2071605197.22703.1490827191689@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> <126469303.684678.1490823642880@mail.yahoo.com> <32187E01-9181-47A3-89CE-F26700EC758E@yahoo.com> <2071605197.22703.1490827191689@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, when I was looking at those submersible pumps, they said they were running 20cst oil. WD 40 should be significantly more difficult to retain. I compensated a linear actuator with that stuff & potted the wires through an inch of epoxy; when I tipped the unit it up it just ran out between the wires & epoxy with no pressure in the system! Good luck, you can always go with a thicker oil if it leaks. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 30/03/2017, at 11:39 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks' Greg > > Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > How are you doing that Hank? > Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? > Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors > where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth > rating. > Cheers Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Greg, >> Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. >> Hank >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. >> Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. >> Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. >> It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. >> >> Greg C >> >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. > On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. > Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Hi Carsten, > I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. > I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) > > Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. > May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. > We change to silicon oil for that reason. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "PSubs" > > > > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 19:42:47 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> <126469303.684678.1490823642880@mail.yahoo.com> <32187E01-9181-47A3-89CE-F26700EC758E@yahoo.com> <2071605197.22703.1490827191689@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1259393993.750049.1490830967246@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,That is true, the oil in a pump is thicker . ?If the Minn Kota can keep water out with the?existing seals, you could assume the seal will keep WD-40 in. ?Good point though with the thicker oil. ? ?Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:36 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,when I was looking at those submersible pumps, they said they wererunning 20cst oil. WD 40 should be significantly more difficult to retain.I compensated a linear actuator with that stuff & potted the wires through?an inch of epoxy; when I tipped the unit it up it just ran out between thewires & epoxy with no pressure in the system!Good luck, you can always go with a thicker oil if it leaks.Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 11:39 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. ?The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. ?When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. ?I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. ?Those pumps are VERY reliable. ?Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) ? Stay tuned for test results.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank?Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motorswhere one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depthrating.Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. ?I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. ?One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. ?I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. ?The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. ?I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 19:35:23 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <2071605197.22703.1490827191689@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> <126469303.684678.1490823642880@mail.yahoo.com> <32187E01-9181-47A3-89CE-F26700EC758E@yahoo.com> <2071605197.22703.1490827191689@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2100654108.8925.1490830523335@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,Are you back to work on your motor? ? or are you still building lights?Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. ?The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. ?When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. ?I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. ?Those pumps are VERY reliable. ?Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) ? Stay tuned for test results.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank?Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motorswhere one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depthrating.Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. ?I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. ?One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. ?I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. ?The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. ?I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 20:14:52 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:14:52 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <2100654108.8925.1490830523335@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> <126469303.684678.1490823642880@mail.yahoo.com> <32187E01-9181-47A3-89CE-F26700EC758E@yahoo.com> <2071605197.22703.1490827191689@mail.yahoo.com> <2100654108.8925.1490830523335@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Still building lights Hank, have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of the lights for his boat. ? Alan Sent from my iPad > On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks' Greg > > Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > How are you doing that Hank? > Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? > Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors > where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth > rating. > Cheers Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Greg, >> Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. >> Hank >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. >> Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. >> Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. >> It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. >> >> Greg C >> >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. > On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. > Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Hi Carsten, > I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. > I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) > > Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. > May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. > We change to silicon oil for that reason. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "PSubs" > > > > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. 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I am pretty happy with how it's going.Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming.Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one ofthe lights for his boat. ?Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Are you back to work on your motor? ? or are you still building lights?Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. ?The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. ?When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. ?I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. ?Those pumps are VERY reliable. ?Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) ? Stay tuned for test results.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank?Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motorswhere one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depthrating.Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. ?I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. ?One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. ?I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. ?The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. ?I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? 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Alan Sent from my iPad > On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > You will be our go to guy for lighting! > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Still building lights Hank, > have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & > hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. > Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. > Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of > the lights for his boat. ? > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, >> Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? >> Hank >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Thanks' Greg >> >> Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. >> Hank >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> How are you doing that Hank? >> Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? >> Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors >> where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth >> rating. >> Cheers Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Greg, >>> Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. >>> Hank >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. >>> Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. >>> Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. >>> It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. >>> >>> Greg C >>> >>> >>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. > On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. > Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Hi Carsten, > I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. > I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) > > Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. > May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. > We change to silicon oil for that reason. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "PSubs" > > > > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. 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However, the wires end inside the hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or maybe just sunglasses! Best, Alec On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Hank, > Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light. > Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised. > Any update Cliff / Alec ? > Alan > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > You will be our go to guy for lighting! > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Still building lights Hank, > have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & > hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. > Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. > Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of > the lights for his boat. ? > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan, > Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > Thanks' Greg > > Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The > important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts > up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil > out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove > one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a > submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said > all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > How are you doing that Hank? > Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? > Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors > where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth > rating. > Cheers Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Greg, > Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I > have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One > seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident > this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak > proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should > be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating > things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and > become brittle. > Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in > general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick > around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're > not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. > Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked > really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air > compensation for a long time without problems. > It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air > lasts for many dives. > > Greg C > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. > On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. > Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little > untight. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" org> > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > > > > Hi Carsten, > I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on > fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have > improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat > flammable however. > I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) > > Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. > May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. > We change to silicon oil for that reason. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" org> > An: "PSubs" > > > > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very > happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the > motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end > where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it > leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral > oil to fill all the voids. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 29 22:21:58 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 02:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <20170329182617.FE82F9A1@m0087796.ppops.net> References: <20170329182617.FE82F9A1@m0087796.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1972900993.6920304.1490840518635@mail.yahoo.com> For those looking for less expensive silicone oil try pricing out silicone brake fluid. It might be a little cheaper. From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 ???????? I hear what some are saying about the air compensation but when I started the design with these motor pods it was with oil compensation in mind so I'm going in that direction.? I'm finally back working on sub stuff after a detour of redoing the front end of my Chevy ( ball Joints, spindles, upgrade to disk brakes etc..)? Anyway, I just did a pressure test on my motorpod and I was satisfied that it should not leak oil.? I need to get some synatic foam however ( Scott !! ),??if I do?use the silicone oil I want to use as little as possible since it's so expensive.? My motor pods hold the motor and gear box just fine except there is a lot of extra volume in there, I'm thinking to fill up the voids with the foam.? Granted it would be better to have a large volume of oil for cooling but I'm on a budget !?? One thing interesting about the silicone oil?is that it evaporates.? Not sure how fast on top of water but it may have different characteristics?, like beading up rather than making a oil slick.? I'd like to play with some of it.?Brian??? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:30:56 +0000 (UTC) You will be our go to guy for lighting! On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Still building lights Hank,have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision &hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going.Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming.Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one ofthe lights for his boat. \uD83D\uDE10Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Are you back to work on your motor? ? or are you still building lights?Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. ?The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. ?When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. ?I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. ?Those pumps are VERY reliable. ?Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) ? Stay tuned for test results.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank?Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motorswhere one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depthrating.Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. ?I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. ?One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. ?I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. ?The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. ?I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? 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However, the wires end inside the hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or maybe just sunglasses! Best, Alec On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Hank,Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light.Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised.Any update Cliff / Alec ?Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: You will be our go to guy for lighting! On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Still building lights Hank,have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision &hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going.Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming.Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one ofthe lights for his boat. ?Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Are you back to work on your motor? ? or are you still building lights?Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals.? The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor.? When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation.? I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has.? Those pumps are VERY reliable.? Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) ? Stay tuned for test results.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank?Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motorswhere one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depthrating.Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling.? I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary.? One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out.? I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up.? The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so.? I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs. org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? 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No experience with this but it seems logical for the high power lights we are using. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad > On 30/03/2017, at 2:34 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and they are wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end inside the hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or maybe just sunglasses! > > > Best, > > Alec > >> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Thanks Hank, >> Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light. >> Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised. >> Any update Cliff / Alec ? >> Alan >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> You will be our go to guy for lighting! >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> Still building lights Hank, >>> have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & >>> hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. >>> Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. >>> Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of >>> the lights for his boat. ? >>> Alan >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> Alan, >>>> Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? >>>> Hank >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks' Greg >>>> >>>> Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. >>>> Hank >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> How are you doing that Hank? >>>> Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? >>>> Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors >>>> where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth >>>> rating. >>>> Cheers Alan >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Greg, >>>>> Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. >>>>> Hank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. >>>>> Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. >>>>> Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. >>>>> It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. >>>>> >>>>> Greg C >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>> >>> On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. >>> On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. >>> Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>> Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 >>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" >>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Carsten, >>> I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. >>> I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> >>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>> >>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) >>> >>> Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. >>> May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. >>> We change to silicon oil for that reason. >>> >>> vbr Carsten >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>> Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 >>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" >>> An: "PSubs" >>> >>> >>> >>> I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. 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He has built a PWM for it so he can dim it down and says it's a 10,000 luman 100 watt system that runs on 32 volts. I don't know what a PWM is but he said that I didn't necessarily have to have one. I can step my thruster motor supply down from 36V but one of my concerns is how to get rid of the heat. He didn't seem to be too forthcoming with the system he built. I think the LED array was something like $15 each on Amazon. How are you controlling the heat in your housings and do you think I would need a PWM for my lite? Rick On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and they are > wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end inside the > hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed > inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a > table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a > can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have > 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and > probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks > will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides > for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or > maybe just sunglasses! > > > Best, > > Alec > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Thanks Hank, >> Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light. >> Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised. >> Any update Cliff / Alec ? >> Alan >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> You will be our go to guy for lighting! >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> >> Still building lights Hank, >> have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & >> hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. >> Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. >> Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of >> the lights for his boat. ? >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Alan, >> Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? >> Hank >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Thanks' Greg >> >> Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The >> important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts >> up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil >> out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove >> one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a >> submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said >> all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. >> Hank >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> >> How are you doing that Hank? >> Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? >> Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors >> where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth >> rating. >> Cheers Alan >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Greg, >> Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I >> have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One >> seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident >> this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak >> proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should >> be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. >> Hank >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating >> things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and >> become brittle. >> Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in >> general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick >> around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're >> not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. >> Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked >> really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air >> compensation for a long time without problems. >> It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air >> lasts for many dives. >> >> Greg C >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >> >> On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. >> On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. >> Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little >> untight. >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >> Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 >> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > rg> >> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> >> >> >> Hi Carsten, >> I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on >> fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have >> improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat >> flammable however. >> I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) >> >> Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. >> May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. >> We change to silicon oil for that reason. >> >> vbr Carsten >> >> >> >> -----Original-Nachricht----- >> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >> Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 >> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > rg> >> An: "PSubs" >> >> >> >> I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very >> happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the >> motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end >> where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it >> leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral >> oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to >> get some circulation . >> >> >> Brian >> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 30 07:10:21 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 11:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: References: <20170328080528.FE818BB3@m0087793.ppops.net> <1490720002443.3610909.f4f513bbc6ea72ad0c1296a0f3c89e3773cf9b3c@spica.telekom.de> <25715733.6081433.1490792430314@mail.yahoo.com> <126469303.684678.1490823642880@mail.yahoo.com> <32187E01-9181-47A3-89CE-F26700EC758E@yahoo.com> <2071605197.22703.1490827191689@mail.yahoo.com> <2100654108.8925.1490830523335@mail.yahoo.com> <1210424446.3172.1490833856812@mail.yahoo.com> <055FE322-A7A7-44E9-827F-BE94465154EF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <165905036.221603.1490872221691@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,Yes wood, haha, works great for void filling. ?The density will change after it has been compressed, but not an issue. ?If you look at the mechanical properties of wood you will see that it has remarkable compressive strength. ?I have been experimenting with making wood syntactic foam as a cheap alternative. ?Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:29 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alec, I just met a guy in California that made his own underwater housing and LED lighting system for doing video and he is using an LED board that is about 3" square. He has built a PWM for it so he can dim it down and says it's a 10,000 luman 100 watt system that runs on 32 volts.?I don't know what a PWM is but he said that I didn't necessarily have to have one. I can step my thruster motor supply down from 36V but one of my concerns is how to get rid of the heat. He didn't seem to be too forthcoming with the system he built. I think the LED array was something like $15 each on Amazon. How are you controlling the heat in your housings and do you think I would need a PWM for my lite? Rick On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and they are wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end inside the hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or maybe just sunglasses! Best, Alec On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Hank,Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light.Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised.Any update Cliff / Alec ?Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: You will be our go to guy for lighting! On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Still building lights Hank,have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision &hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going.Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming.Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one ofthe lights for his boat. ?Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Are you back to work on your motor? ? or are you still building lights?Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals.? The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor.? When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation.? I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has.? Those pumps are VERY reliable.? Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) ? Stay tuned for test results.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank?Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motorswhere one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depthrating.Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling.? I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary.? One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out.? I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up.? The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so.? I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.or g wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 30 07:24:36 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 07:24:36 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PWM Message-ID: <39f39.888d26a.460e44f4@aol.com> Rick, He was referring to a Pulse Width Modulator to adjust the amount of power going to the lights. Jim In a message dated 3/29/2017 11:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: Alec, I just met a guy in California that made his own underwater housing and LED lighting system for doing video and he is using an LED board that is about 3" square. He has built a PWM for it so he can dim it down and says it's a 10,000 luman 100 watt system that runs on 32 volts. I don't know what a PWM is but he said that I didn't necessarily have to have one. I can step my thruster motor supply down from 36V but one of my concerns is how to get rid of the heat. He didn't seem to be too forthcoming with the system he built. I think the LED array was something like $15 each on Amazon. How are you controlling the heat in your housings and do you think I would need a PWM for my lite? Rick On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and they are wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end inside the hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or maybe just sunglasses! Best, Alec On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Hank, Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light. Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised. Any update Cliff / Alec ? Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: You will be our go to guy for lighting! On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Still building lights Hank, have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of the lights for his boat. ? Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank? Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth rating. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg, Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C ____________________________________ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Hi Carsten, I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.orp wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 30 07:37:55 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 07:37:55 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PWM In-Reply-To: <39f39.888d26a.460e44f4@aol.com> References: <39f39.888d26a.460e44f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, LEDs need a driver board to supply them with constant voltage and current, and Cliff's design includes an on-board PCB, inside the light itself, that does just that. The heat is dissipated by the housing, which is aluminum and has cooling grooves. Personally I opted for a larger off the shelf driver that will go inside the sub, because I didn't have much ability to solder the surface mount components and didn't have the need to miniaturize that was one of Cliff's design priorities. There are lots of drivers available, and I got mine on eBay like so many other components of the sub. This driver has a heat sink, but I don't expect it to heat up much at all. See eBay item 302203712954. Best, Alec On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:24 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > He was referring to a Pulse Width Modulator to adjust the amount of power > going to the lights. > Jim > > In a message dated 3/29/2017 11:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: > > Alec, > > I just met a guy in California that made his own underwater housing and > LED lighting system for doing video and he is using an LED board that is > about 3" square. He has built a PWM for it so he can dim it down and says > it's a 10,000 luman 100 watt system that runs on 32 volts. > I don't know what a PWM is but he said that I didn't necessarily have to > have one. I can step my thruster motor supply down from 36V but one of my > concerns is how to get rid of the heat. He didn't seem to be too > forthcoming with the system he built. I think the LED array was something > like $15 each on Amazon. How are you controlling the heat in your housings > and do you think I would need a PWM for my lite? > > Rick > > > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and they are >> wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end inside the >> hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed >> inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a >> table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a >> can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have >> 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and >> probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks >> will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides >> for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or >> maybe just sunglasses! >> >> >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Hank, >>> Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light. >>> Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised. >>> Any update Cliff / Alec ? >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> You will be our go to guy for lighting! >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Still building lights Hank, >>> have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & >>> hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's >>> going. >>> Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. >>> Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of >>> the lights for his boat. ? >>> Alan >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Alan, >>> Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? >>> Hank >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thanks' Greg >>> >>> Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The >>> important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts >>> up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil >>> out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove >>> one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a >>> submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said >>> all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. >>> Hank >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> How are you doing that Hank? >>> Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? >>> Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors >>> where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth >>> rating. >>> Cheers Alan >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Greg, >>> Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I >>> have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One >>> seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident >>> this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak >>> proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should >>> be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. >>> Hank >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating >>> things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and >>> become brittle. >>> Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in >>> general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick >>> around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're >>> not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. >>> Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked >>> really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air >>> compensation for a long time without problems. >>> It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air >>> lasts for many dives. >>> >>> Greg C >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>> >>> On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. >>> On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. >>> Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little >>> untight. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>> Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 >>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Carsten, >>> I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on >>> fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have >>> improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat >>> flammable however. >>> I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> >>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>> >>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) >>> >>> Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. >>> May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. >>> We change to silicon oil for that reason. >>> >>> vbr Carsten >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>> Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 >>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> An: "PSubs" >>> >>> >>> >>> I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very >>> happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the >>> motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end >>> where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it >>> leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral >>> oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to >>> get some circulation . >>> >>> >>> Brian >>> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >>> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 30 08:49:24 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 12:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 In-Reply-To: <20170329200124.FE81BAF7@m0087791.ppops.net> References: <20170329200124.FE81BAF7@m0087791.ppops.net> Message-ID: <33780339.7165835.1490878164654@mail.yahoo.com> I've never tried it- just saw it at the parts store. I assume that it does not corrode rubber brake boots. Would have to be tested. From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 James,??? My experience is that brake fluid is extremely corrosive, it'll take paint off if you spill it on your car.? Not sure about silicone brake fluid.?Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 02:21:58 +0000 (UTC) For those looking for less expensive silicone oil try pricing out silicone brake fluid. It might be a little cheaper. From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 ???????? I hear what some are saying about the air compensation but when I started the design with these motor pods it was with oil compensation in mind so I'm going in that direction.? I'm finally back working on sub stuff after a detour of redoing the front end of my Chevy ( ball Joints, spindles, upgrade to disk brakes etc..)? Anyway, I just did a pressure test on my motorpod and I was satisfied that it should not leak oil.? I need to get some synatic foam however ( Scott !! ),??if I do?use the silicone oil I want to use as little as possible since it's so expensive.? My motor pods hold the motor and gear box just fine except there is a lot of extra volume in there, I'm thinking to fill up the voids with the foam.? Granted it would be better to have a large volume of oil for cooling but I'm on a budget !?? One thing interesting about the silicone oil?is that it evaporates.? Not sure how fast on top of water but it may have different characteristics?, like beading up rather than making a oil slick.? I'd like to play with some of it.?Brian?? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:30:56 +0000 (UTC) You will be our go to guy for lighting! On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Still building lights Hank,have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision &hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going.Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming.Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one ofthe lights for his boat. \uD83D\uDE10Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,Are you back to work on your motor? ? or are you still building lights?Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. ?The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. ?When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. ?I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. ?Those pumps are VERY reliable. ?Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) ? Stay tuned for test results.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank?Are you compensating the gap between the two seals?Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motorswhere one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depthrating.Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg,Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. ?I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. ?One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. ?I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. ?The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. ?I will know then if my idea works.Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle.Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks.Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" ???Hi Carsten,???????????????????????? I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire.? It's not as flammable as I thought it would be.? I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however.?I will?be using?a light mineral oil in my motors.?Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. ?vbr Carsten ???-----Original-Nachricht-----Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" ???I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40.? It seemed to be very happy.? I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor.? I was surprised how sealed the motor was,?it is open at one end where it?mates to the gear box.? I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere.? That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil?to fill all the voids.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 30 13:49:06 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 07:49:06 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PWM In-Reply-To: References: <39f39.888d26a.460e44f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim and Alec, Do i have to be concerned about matching the PWM to the specific LED array I buy as there are so many out there. If so, can someone help me do the match up as I have NO electrical back ground. I do want to be able to dim the lights from 10,000 lumans down as much as I want as there will be times where I won't need that much and it will also be a power savings on my 36 V battery bank for my thrusters. Rick On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:37 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Rick, > > LEDs need a driver board to supply them with constant voltage and current, > and Cliff's design includes an on-board PCB, inside the light itself, that > does just that. The heat is dissipated by the housing, which is aluminum > and has cooling grooves. Personally I opted for a larger off the shelf > driver that will go inside the sub, because I didn't have much ability to > solder the surface mount components and didn't have the need to miniaturize > that was one of Cliff's design priorities. There are lots of drivers > available, and I got mine on eBay like so many other components of the sub. > This driver has a heat sink, but I don't expect it to heat up much at all. > See eBay item 302203712954. > > Best, > > Alec > > > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:24 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Rick, >> He was referring to a Pulse Width Modulator to adjust the amount of power >> going to the lights. >> Jim >> >> In a message dated 3/29/2017 11:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: >> >> Alec, >> >> I just met a guy in California that made his own underwater housing and >> LED lighting system for doing video and he is using an LED board that is >> about 3" square. He has built a PWM for it so he can dim it down and says >> it's a 10,000 luman 100 watt system that runs on 32 volts. >> I don't know what a PWM is but he said that I didn't necessarily have to >> have one. I can step my thruster motor supply down from 36V but one of my >> concerns is how to get rid of the heat. He didn't seem to be too >> forthcoming with the system he built. I think the LED array was something >> like $15 each on Amazon. How are you controlling the heat in your housings >> and do you think I would need a PWM for my lite? >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and they are >>> wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end inside the >>> hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed >>> inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a >>> table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a >>> can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have >>> 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and >>> probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks >>> will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides >>> for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or >>> maybe just sunglasses! >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Hank, >>>> Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light. >>>> Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised. >>>> Any update Cliff / Alec ? >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> You will be our go to guy for lighting! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Still building lights Hank, >>>> have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & >>>> hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's >>>> going. >>>> Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. >>>> Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of >>>> the lights for his boat. ? >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Alan, >>>> Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? >>>> Hank >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via >>>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks' Greg >>>> >>>> Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The >>>> important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts >>>> up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil >>>> out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove >>>> one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a >>>> submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said >>>> all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. >>>> Hank >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> How are you doing that Hank? >>>> Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? >>>> Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors >>>> where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth >>>> rating. >>>> Cheers Alan >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Greg, >>>> Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. >>>> I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One >>>> seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident >>>> this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak >>>> proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should >>>> be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. >>>> Hank >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via >>>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating >>>> things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and >>>> become brittle. >>>> Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in >>>> general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick >>>> around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're >>>> not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. >>>> Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked >>>> really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air >>>> compensation for a long time without problems. >>>> It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air >>>> lasts for many dives. >>>> >>>> Greg C >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>> >>>> On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. >>>> On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. >>>> Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little >>>> untight. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>> Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 >>>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Carsten, >>>> I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on >>>> fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have >>>> improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat >>>> flammable however. >>>> I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>>> >>>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) >>>> >>>> Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. >>>> May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. >>>> We change to silicon oil for that reason. >>>> >>>> vbr Carsten >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>>> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>> Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 >>>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> An: "PSubs" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very >>>> happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the >>>> motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end >>>> where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it >>>> leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral >>>> oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to >>>> get some circulation . >>>> >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >>>> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> ? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 30 22:39:46 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:39:46 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid Message-ID: Not all brake fluid is corrosive. Over time, some types become corrosive due to the contaminants they pick up from wear in the system and from the moisture they absorb. DOT 5 is silicone based and doesn't absorb moisture, although I've never thought of it as being used to compensate motors. Jim In a message dated 3/30/2017 7:49:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: I've never tried it- just saw it at the parts store. I assume that it does not corrode rubber brake boots. Would have to be tested. ____________________________________ From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 James, My experience is that brake fluid is extremely corrosive, it'll take paint off if you spill it on your car. Not sure about silicone brake fluid. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 02:21:58 +0000 (UTC) For those looking for less expensive silicone oil try pricing out silicone brake fluid. It might be a little cheaper. ____________________________________ From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 I hear what some are saying about the air compensation but when I started the design with these motor pods it was with oil compensation in mind so I'm going in that direction. I'm finally back working on sub stuff after a detour of redoing the front end of my Chevy ( ball Joints, spindles, upgrade to disk brakes etc..) Anyway, I just did a pressure test on my motor pod and I was satisfied that it should not leak oil. I need to get some synatic foam however ( Scott !! ), if I do use the silicone oil I want to use as little as possible since it's so expensive. My motor pods hold the motor and gear box just fine except there is a lot of extra volume in there, I'm thinking to fill up the voids with the foam. Granted it would be better to have a large volume of oil for cooling but I'm on a budget ! One thing interesting about the silicone oil is that it evaporates. Not sure how fast on top of water but it may have different characteristics , like beading up rather than making a oil slick. I'd like to play with some of it. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:30:56 +0000 (UTC) You will be our go to guy for lighting! On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Still building lights Hank, have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of the lights for his boat. \uD83D\uDE10 Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: How are you doing that Hank? Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth rating. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Greg, Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C ____________________________________ From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Hi Carsten, I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" An: "PSubs" I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 31 00:41:23 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 21:41:23 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid Message-ID: <20170330214123.FE829483@m0087796.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 31 00:47:52 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jim via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 23:47:52 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid In-Reply-To: <20170330214123.FE829483@m0087796.ppops.net> References: <20170330214123.FE829483@m0087796.ppops.net> Message-ID: <3A08C537-81A2-45B7-BCC8-B3A7B081517F@aol.com> And if you get stranded on an island, you can dry the wood out to build a signal fire and cook a seagull. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 30, 2017, at 11:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jim, I've been talking to the folks at Clearco and I think I might try this PSF-5cSt Silicone Bath Fluiid > > http://www.clearcoproducts.com/silicone-bath-low.html > > the specific gravity of this product is .918 , practically water ! If I can cram enough wood into my motor pod hopefully I can cut down my volume ;-) > > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:39:46 -0400 > > Not all brake fluid is corrosive. Over time, some types become corrosive due to the contaminants they pick up from wear in the system and from the moisture they absorb. DOT 5 is silicone based and doesn't absorb moisture, although I've never thought of it as being used to compensate motors. > Jim > > In a message dated 3/30/2017 7:49:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: > I've never tried it- just saw it at the parts store. I assume that it does not corrode rubber brake boots. Would have to be tested. > > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > James, My experience is that brake fluid is extremely corrosive, it'll take paint off if you spill it on your car. Not sure about silicone brake fluid. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 02:21:58 +0000 (UTC) > > For those looking for less expensive silicone oil try pricing out silicone brake fluid. It might be a little cheaper. > > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > I hear what some are saying about the air compensation but when I started the design with these motor pods it was with oil compensation in mind so I'm going in that direction. > I'm finally back working on sub stuff after a detour of redoing the front end of my Chevy ( ball Joints, spindles, upgrade to disk brakes etc..) Anyway, I just did a pressure test on my motor > pod and I was satisfied that it should not leak oil. I need to get some synatic foam however ( Scott !! ), if I do use the silicone oil I want to use as little as possible since it's so expensive. My motor pods > hold the motor and gear box just fine except there is a lot of extra volume in there, I'm thinking to fill up the voids with the foam. Granted it would be better to have a large volume of oil for cooling > but I'm on a budget ! One thing interesting about the silicone oil is that it evaporates. Not sure how fast on top of water but it may have different characteristics , like beading up rather than making a > oil slick. I'd like to play with some of it. > > Brian > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:30:56 +0000 (UTC) > > You will be our go to guy for lighting! > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Still building lights Hank, > have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & > hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. > Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. > Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of > the lights for his boat. \uD83D\uDE10 > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks' Greg > > Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > How are you doing that Hank? > Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? > Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors > where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth > rating. > Cheers Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Greg, > Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. > Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. > Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. > It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. > > Greg C > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. > On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. > Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Hi Carsten, > I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. > I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) > > Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. > May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. > We change to silicon oil for that reason. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "PSubs" > > > > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ? > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 31 01:58:14 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:58:14 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid Message-ID: <20170330225814.FE837770@m0087793.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 31 04:57:52 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 21:57:52 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid there In-Reply-To: <20170330214123.FE829483@m0087796.ppops.net> References: <20170330214123.FE829483@m0087796.ppops.net> Message-ID: <112F079F-A04D-4301-B34B-E7D90D2B523E@yahoo.com> Brian, I have 5cst silicone oil that I am going to try. But it was all that I could find at the time. I would have preferred a grade nearer 20 cst. Reason being that I have talked with bearing & mechanical seal experts & the thinner the grade the more detrimental it is to both seals & bearings. Also the thinner oil is going to be harder to contain. As said before, the paper I read on oil filled submersible pumps talked about 20cst oil. I have heard of deionized water being used though. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 31/03/2017, at 5:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jim, I've been talking to the folks at Clearco and I think I might try this PSF-5cSt Silicone Bath Fluiid > > http://www.clearcoproducts.com/silicone-bath-low.html > > the specific gravity of this product is .918 , practically water ! If I can cram enough wood into my motor pod hopefully I can cut down my volume ;-) > > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:39:46 -0400 > > Not all brake fluid is corrosive. Over time, some types become corrosive due to the contaminants they pick up from wear in the system and from the moisture they absorb. DOT 5 is silicone based and doesn't absorb moisture, although I've never thought of it as being used to compensate motors. > Jim > > In a message dated 3/30/2017 7:49:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: > I've never tried it- just saw it at the parts store. I assume that it does not corrode rubber brake boots. Would have to be tested. > > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > James, My experience is that brake fluid is extremely corrosive, it'll take paint off if you spill it on your car. Not sure about silicone brake fluid. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 02:21:58 +0000 (UTC) > > For those looking for less expensive silicone oil try pricing out silicone brake fluid. It might be a little cheaper. > > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > I hear what some are saying about the air compensation but when I started the design with these motor pods it was with oil compensation in mind so I'm going in that direction. > I'm finally back working on sub stuff after a detour of redoing the front end of my Chevy ( ball Joints, spindles, upgrade to disk brakes etc..) Anyway, I just did a pressure test on my motor > pod and I was satisfied that it should not leak oil. I need to get some synatic foam however ( Scott !! ), if I do use the silicone oil I want to use as little as possible since it's so expensive. My motor pods > hold the motor and gear box just fine except there is a lot of extra volume in there, I'm thinking to fill up the voids with the foam. Granted it would be better to have a large volume of oil for cooling > but I'm on a budget ! One thing interesting about the silicone oil is that it evaporates. Not sure how fast on top of water but it may have different characteristics , like beading up rather than making a > oil slick. I'd like to play with some of it. > > Brian > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:30:56 +0000 (UTC) > > You will be our go to guy for lighting! > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Still building lights Hank, > have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & > hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. > Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. > Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of > the lights for his boat. \uD83D\uDE10 > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks' Greg > > Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > How are you doing that Hank? > Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? > Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors > where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth > rating. > Cheers Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Greg, > Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. > Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. > Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. > It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. > > Greg C > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. > On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. > Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Hi Carsten, > I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. > I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) > > Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. > May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. > We change to silicon oil for that reason. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "PSubs" > > > > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > ? > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 31 06:16:54 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (emile via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:16:54 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid there In-Reply-To: <112F079F-A04D-4301-B34B-E7D90D2B523E@yahoo.com> References: <20170330214123.FE829483@m0087796.ppops.net> <112F079F-A04D-4301-B34B-E7D90D2B523E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04c901d2aa07$ef662ef0$ce328cd0$@nl> The silicone DOT 5 brakefluid should be also possible. But I believe it is thicker than 5 cst. Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Alan via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: vrijdag 31 maart 2017 10:58 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid there Brian, I have 5cst silicone oil that I am going to try. But it was all that I could find at the time. I would have preferred a grade nearer 20 cst. Reason being that I have talked with bearing & mechanical seal experts & the thinner the grade the more detrimental it is to both seals & bearings. Also the thinner oil is going to be harder to contain. As said before, the paper I read on oil filled submersible pumps talked about 20cst oil. I have heard of deionized water being used though. Alan Sent from my iPad On 31/03/2017, at 5:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jim, I've been talking to the folks at Clearco and I think I might try this PSF-5cSt Silicone Bath Fluiid http://www.clearcoproducts.com/silicone-bath-low.html the specific gravity of this product is .918 , practically water ! If I can cram enough wood into my motor pod hopefully I can cut down my volume ;-) Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:39:46 -0400 Not all brake fluid is corrosive. Over time, some types become corrosive due to the contaminants they pick up from wear in the system and from the moisture they absorb. DOT 5 is silicone based and doesn't absorb moisture, although I've never thought of it as being used to compensate motors. Jim In a message dated 3/30/2017 7:49:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: I've never tried it- just saw it at the parts store. I assume that it does not corrode rubber brake boots. Would have to be tested. _____ From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 James, My experience is that brake fluid is extremely corrosive, it'll take paint off if you spill it on your car. Not sure about silicone brake fluid. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 02:21:58 +0000 (UTC) For those looking for less expensive silicone oil try pricing out silicone brake fluid. It might be a little cheaper. _____ From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 I hear what some are saying about the air compensation but when I started the design with these motor pods it was with oil compensation in mind so I'm going in that direction. I'm finally back working on sub stuff after a detour of redoing the front end of my Chevy ( ball Joints, spindles, upgrade to disk brakes etc..) Anyway, I just did a pressure test on my motor pod and I was satisfied that it should not leak oil. I need to get some synatic foam however ( Scott !! ), if I do use the silicone oil I want to use as little as possible since it's so expensive. My motor pods hold the motor and gear box just fine except there is a lot of extra volume in there, I'm thinking to fill up the voids with the foam. Granted it would be better to have a large volume of oil for cooling but I'm on a budget ! One thing interesting about the silicone oil is that it evaporates. Not sure how fast on top of water but it may have different characteristics , like beading up rather than making a oil slick. I'd like to play with some of it. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:30:56 +0000 (UTC) You will be our go to guy for lighting! On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Still building lights Hank, have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of the lights for his boat. \uD83D\uDE10 Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Alan, Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Thanks' Greg Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: How are you doing that Hank? Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth rating. Cheers Alan Sent from my iPad On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Greg, Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. Hank On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. Greg C _____ From: " MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> Hi Carsten, I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: " MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. We change to silicon oil for that reason. vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> An: "PSubs" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 31 06:45:57 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:45:57 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid there In-Reply-To: <04c901d2aa07$ef662ef0$ce328cd0$@nl> References: <20170330214123.FE829483@m0087796.ppops.net> <112F079F-A04D-4301-B34B-E7D90D2B523E@yahoo.com> <04c901d2aa07$ef662ef0$ce328cd0$@nl> Message-ID: This spec sheet says silicone dot 5 is 42.7 cst. So a bit too thick, but it doesn't damage paint work! http://www.clearcoproducts.com/pdf/specialty/NP-DOT5%20Silicone%20Brake%20Fluid.pdf Alan Sent from my iPad > On 31/03/2017, at 11:16 PM, emile via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > The silicone DOT 5 brakefluid should be also possible. But I believe it is thicker than 5 cst. > > Emile > > Van: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] Namens Alan via Personal_Submersibles > Verzonden: vrijdag 31 maart 2017 10:58 > Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid there > > Brian, > I have 5cst silicone oil that I am going to try. But it was all that I could > find at the time. I would have preferred a grade nearer 20 cst. Reason being > that I have talked with bearing & mechanical seal experts & the thinner the > grade the more detrimental it is to both seals & bearings. Also the thinner > oil is going to be harder to contain. As said before, the paper I read on oil > filled submersible pumps talked about 20cst oil. I have heard of deionized > water being used though. > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 31/03/2017, at 5:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jim, I've been talking to the folks at Clearco and I think I might try this PSF-5cSt Silicone Bath Fluiid > > http://www.clearcoproducts.com/silicone-bath-low.html > > the specific gravity of this product is .918 , practically water ! If I can cram enough wood into my motor pod hopefully I can cut down my volume ;-) > > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: via Personal_Submersibles > To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:39:46 -0400 > > Not all brake fluid is corrosive. Over time, some types become corrosive due to the contaminants they pick up from wear in the system and from the moisture they absorb. DOT 5 is silicone based and doesn't absorb moisture, although I've never thought of it as being used to compensate motors. > Jim > > In a message dated 3/30/2017 7:49:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: > I've never tried it- just saw it at the parts store. I assume that it does not corrode rubber brake boots. Would have to be tested. > > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > James, My experience is that brake fluid is extremely corrosive, it'll take paint off if you spill it on your car. Not sure about silicone brake fluid. > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 02:21:58 +0000 (UTC) > > For those looking for less expensive silicone oil try pricing out silicone brake fluid. It might be a little cheaper. > > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > I hear what some are saying about the air compensation but when I started the design with these motor pods it was with oil compensation in mind so I'm going in that direction. > I'm finally back working on sub stuff after a detour of redoing the front end of my Chevy ( ball Joints, spindles, upgrade to disk brakes etc..) Anyway, I just did a pressure test on my motor > pod and I was satisfied that it should not leak oil. I need to get some synatic foam however ( Scott !! ), if I do use the silicone oil I want to use as little as possible since it's so expensive. My motor pods > hold the motor and gear box just fine except there is a lot of extra volume in there, I'm thinking to fill up the voids with the foam. Granted it would be better to have a large volume of oil for cooling > but I'm on a budget ! One thing interesting about the silicone oil is that it evaporates. Not sure how fast on top of water but it may have different characteristics , like beading up rather than making a > oil slick. I'd like to play with some of it. > > Brian > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:30:56 +0000 (UTC) > > You will be our go to guy for lighting! > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Still building lights Hank, > have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & > hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. > Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. > Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of > the lights for his boat. \uD83D\uDE10 > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks' Greg > > Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > How are you doing that Hank? > Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? > Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors > where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth > rating. > Cheers Alan > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Greg, > Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. > Hank > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. > Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. > Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. > It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. > > Greg C > > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > > On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. > On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. > Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > Hi Carsten, > I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. > I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) > > Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. > May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. > We change to silicon oil for that reason. > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 > Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 > Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" > An: "PSubs" > > > > I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 31 10:03:51 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:03:51 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 and Brake Fluid there Message-ID: <20170331070351.FE82B729@m0087792.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 31 22:25:48 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 22:25:48 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PWM In-Reply-To: References: <39f39.888d26a.460e44f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, Yes, you need to match them and the assortment of drivers is quite bewildering. I knew nothing of this myself just a couple of weeks ago, so I'll try and summarize my selection logic but if anyone more knowledgeable finds me in error, please do jump in. I haven't even received my drivers yet, so my choice is untested. Generally these drivers are either "step up" or "step down" devices, meaning that they take the battery bank voltage and adjust it upward or downward depending on the voltage required for your specific LED. Not all LEDs of the same output have the same voltage requirement, so I can't provide a standard voltage for 10K lights and you will need to look that up on your LED specs. In most cases it should be clear which of those two varieties of drive you need, so deciding whether you need a step up or a step down driver I would say is the first cut at narrowing your choices. In my case I had an odd situation, because the battery bank voltage was very close to the LED voltage, and since the battery voltage will drop under load and with discharge, I could find myself crossing the threshold from stepping down to stepping up. There are a very few drivers that can step in either direction as needed, but I did find a few. To summarize then... Once narrowed down to step-up or step-down type, the next thing is to look at is voltage ranges. Each driver will have an input voltage range, which needs to cover your possible battery voltages, and it will have an output range, which needs to cover the LED spec voltage. This latter voltage is constant. Then finally, there's a choice of driver current capacity. This is a measure of how much power the driver can handle without burning out. Your LED will tell you how many amps it consumes. A sub in the tropics is a hot and humid environment with minimal ventilation, so I'm inclined to pick a driver that is way over-rated to prevent it from heating up much. Bear in mind you can also drive multiple lights off one driver if their combined current is within the driver's current capacity. As for dimming capacity, most drivers seem to have two pots, one for output voltage and the other for output current. These controls should allow you to dim the lights, but from what I saw they are typically small components on the board, and not something intended for manipulation by the end user on the fly. It may be you could replace a miniature trim pot with one on a cable, mounted on the face of your enclosure, but you would also need to be careful with the adjustment range. You would not want a knob that burns out your lights if you turn it a little too far. Hope that helps, but realistically you might find it'll take a day or two of research to narrow things down. Best, Alec On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Jim and Alec, > > Do i have to be concerned about matching the PWM to the specific LED array > I buy as there are so many out there. If so, can someone help me do the > match up as I have NO electrical back ground. I do want to be able to dim > the lights from 10,000 lumans down as much as I want as there will be times > where I won't need that much and it will also be a power savings on my 36 V > battery bank for my thrusters. > > Rick > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:37 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi Rick, >> >> LEDs need a driver board to supply them with constant voltage and >> current, and Cliff's design includes an on-board PCB, inside the light >> itself, that does just that. The heat is dissipated by the housing, which >> is aluminum and has cooling grooves. Personally I opted for a larger off >> the shelf driver that will go inside the sub, because I didn't have much >> ability to solder the surface mount components and didn't have the need to >> miniaturize that was one of Cliff's design priorities. There are lots of >> drivers available, and I got mine on eBay like so many other components of >> the sub. This driver has a heat sink, but I don't expect it to heat up much >> at all. See eBay item 302203712954. >> >> Best, >> >> Alec >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:24 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Rick, >>> He was referring to a Pulse Width Modulator to adjust the amount of >>> power going to the lights. >>> Jim >>> >>> In a message dated 3/29/2017 11:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: >>> >>> Alec, >>> >>> I just met a guy in California that made his own underwater housing and >>> LED lighting system for doing video and he is using an LED board that is >>> about 3" square. He has built a PWM for it so he can dim it down and says >>> it's a 10,000 luman 100 watt system that runs on 32 volts. >>> I don't know what a PWM is but he said that I didn't necessarily have >>> to have one. I can step my thruster motor supply down from 36V but one of >>> my concerns is how to get rid of the heat. He didn't seem to be too >>> forthcoming with the system he built. I think the LED array was something >>> like $15 each on Amazon. How are you controlling the heat in your housings >>> and do you think I would need a PWM for my lite? >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and they are >>>> wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end inside the >>>> hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed >>>> inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a >>>> table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a >>>> can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have >>>> 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and >>>> probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks >>>> will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides >>>> for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or >>>> maybe just sunglasses! >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Alec >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Hank, >>>>> Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light. >>>>> Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised. >>>>> Any update Cliff / Alec ? >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You will be our go to guy for lighting! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Still building lights Hank, >>>>> have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & >>>>> hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's >>>>> going. >>>>> Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. >>>>> Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of >>>>> the lights for his boat. ? >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Alan, >>>>> Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? >>>>> Hank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via >>>>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks' Greg >>>>> >>>>> Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. >>>>> The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor >>>>> starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes >>>>> the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually >>>>> remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a >>>>> submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said >>>>> all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. >>>>> Hank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How are you doing that Hank? >>>>> Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? >>>>> Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors >>>>> where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth >>>>> rating. >>>>> Cheers Alan >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Greg, >>>>> Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. >>>>> I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One >>>>> seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident >>>>> this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak >>>>> proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should >>>>> be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. >>>>> Hank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via >>>>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for >>>>> compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to >>>>> harden and become brittle. >>>>> Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in >>>>> general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick >>>>> around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're >>>>> not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. >>>>> Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked >>>>> really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air >>>>> compensation for a long time without problems. >>>>> It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of >>>>> air lasts for many dives. >>>>> >>>>> Greg C >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>>> >>>>> On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. >>>>> On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. >>>>> Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little >>>>> untight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>>>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>>> Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 >>>>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Carsten, >>>>> I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on >>>>> fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have >>>>> improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat >>>>> flammable however. >>>>> I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) >>>>> >>>>> Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. >>>>> May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. >>>>> We change to silicon oil for that reason. >>>>> >>>>> vbr Carsten >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>>>> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>>> Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 >>>>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" < >>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>>> An: "PSubs" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be >>>>> very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the >>>>> motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end >>>>> where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it >>>>> leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral >>>>> oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to >>>>> get some circulation . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >>>>> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> ? >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 31 23:38:10 2017 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 16:38:10 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PWM In-Reply-To: References: <39f39.888d26a.460e44f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <9DBCDA8B-64C9-4F3E-B669-BA144B16EB83@yahoo.com> Rick, how soon do you need to get your lights done? I bought a few step up / step down constant current drivers that can handle a 100W LED. But no pwm dimming on them. Looking at them, you can do as Alec suggested & de-solder the trim pots & replace with wire to a potentiometer. You could use a certain sized resister in line to stop you dialling in more current than you need. I could play around with one & let you know how it goes if you like. I am using 80W LEDs & get plenty of light from them driving them at 70W. My LEDs are the latest flip chip technology, that keep cooler out front. They are smaller than other comparable Watt LEDs enabling a smaller housing & thinner lens for the same depth. Alan My lights are having pwm dimming put on an led step driver tailored to my voltage. They said it was not that simple to add pwm dimming control. There is the Sent from my iPad > On 1/04/2017, at 3:25 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > Yes, you need to match them and the assortment of drivers is quite bewildering. I knew nothing of this myself just a couple of weeks ago, so I'll try and summarize my selection logic but if anyone more knowledgeable finds me in error, please do jump in. I haven't even received my drivers yet, so my choice is untested. > > Generally these drivers are either "step up" or "step down" devices, meaning that they take the battery bank voltage and adjust it upward or downward depending on the voltage required for your specific LED. Not all LEDs of the same output have the same voltage requirement, so I can't provide a standard voltage for 10K lights and you will need to look that up on your LED specs. In most cases it should be clear which of those two varieties of drive you need, so deciding whether you need a step up or a step down driver I would say is the first cut at narrowing your choices. In my case I had an odd situation, because the battery bank voltage was very close to the LED voltage, and since the battery voltage will drop under load and with discharge, I could find myself crossing the threshold from stepping down to stepping up. There are a very few drivers that can step in either direction as needed, but I did find a few. > > To summarize then... Once narrowed down to step-up or step-down type, the next thing is to look at is voltage ranges. Each driver will have an input voltage range, which needs to cover your possible battery voltages, and it will have an output range, which needs to cover the LED spec voltage. This latter voltage is constant. > > Then finally, there's a choice of driver current capacity. This is a measure of how much power the driver can handle without burning out. Your LED will tell you how many amps it consumes. A sub in the tropics is a hot and humid environment with minimal ventilation, so I'm inclined to pick a driver that is way over-rated to prevent it from heating up much. Bear in mind you can also drive multiple lights off one driver if their combined current is within the driver's current capacity. > > As for dimming capacity, most drivers seem to have two pots, one for output voltage and the other for output current. These controls should allow you to dim the lights, but from what I saw they are typically small components on the board, and not something intended for manipulation by the end user on the fly. It may be you could replace a miniature trim pot with one on a cable, mounted on the face of your enclosure, but you would also need to be careful with the adjustment range. You would not want a knob that burns out your lights if you turn it a little too far. > > Hope that helps, but realistically you might find it'll take a day or two of research to narrow things down. > > > Best, > > Alec > >> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Thanks Jim and Alec, >> >> Do i have to be concerned about matching the PWM to the specific LED array I buy as there are so many out there. If so, can someone help me do the match up as I have NO electrical back ground. I do want to be able to dim the lights from 10,000 lumans down as much as I want as there will be times where I won't need that much and it will also be a power savings on my 36 V battery bank for my thrusters. >> >> Rick >> >>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:37 AM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Hi Rick, >>> >>> LEDs need a driver board to supply them with constant voltage and current, and Cliff's design includes an on-board PCB, inside the light itself, that does just that. The heat is dissipated by the housing, which is aluminum and has cooling grooves. Personally I opted for a larger off the shelf driver that will go inside the sub, because I didn't have much ability to solder the surface mount components and didn't have the need to miniaturize that was one of Cliff's design priorities. There are lots of drivers available, and I got mine on eBay like so many other components of the sub. This driver has a heat sink, but I don't expect it to heat up much at all. See eBay item 302203712954. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Alec >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 7:24 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Rick, >>>> He was referring to a Pulse Width Modulator to adjust the amount of power going to the lights. >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> In a message dated 3/29/2017 11:29:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, personal_submersibles at psubs.org writes: >>>> Alec, >>>> >>>> I just met a guy in California that made his own underwater housing and LED lighting system for doing video and he is using an LED board that is about 3" square. He has built a PWM for it so he can dim it down and says it's a 10,000 luman 100 watt system that runs on 32 volts. >>>> I don't know what a PWM is but he said that I didn't necessarily have to have one. I can step my thruster motor supply down from 36V but one of my concerns is how to get rid of the heat. He didn't seem to be too forthcoming with the system he built. I think the LED array was something like $15 each on Amazon. How are you controlling the heat in your housings and do you think I would need a PWM for my lite? >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> My lights are done, I put them on Shackleton earlier today and they are wired through the hull with penetrators. However, the wires end inside the hull because I'm waiting for the drives to arrive, which will be installed inside the sub. I was able to test them with a lab type power supply on a table top, and must say these Bridgelux leds are like a little sun in a can, I love them. These two lights I made are 5K lumens, and I already have 10K lumen Bridgeluxes which I bought by mistake. So I'll test these, and probably make another set with those more powerful ones. If I do, the 10Ks will be the forward lights and the 5Ks will be oriented out to the sides for "peripheral vision". A dimmable driver is sounding like a good idea, or maybe just sunglasses! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Alec >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>> Thanks Hank, >>>>>> Alec has been making good progress with Cliff's light. >>>>>> Last I heard 2 housings were being anodised. >>>>>> Any update Cliff / Alec ? >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30/03/2017, at 1:30 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You will be our go to guy for lighting! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:15 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Still building lights Hank, >>>>>>> have built a couple of housings but are doing a third revision & >>>>>>> hopefully this one will be perfect. I am pretty happy with how it's going. >>>>>>> Am getting a different LED driver made up with PWM dimming. >>>>>>> Got off the motor project temporarily as my brother wanted one of >>>>>>> the lights for his boat. ? >>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30/03/2017, at 12:35 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan, >>>>>>>> Are you back to work on your motor? or are you still building lights? >>>>>>>> Hank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:44 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks' Greg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan, my answer is who cares if some water gets between the seals. The important part is to keep the oil inside the motor. When the motor starts up at the surface, there is significant centrical force that pushes the oil out with the seal in its original orientation. I should actually remove one of the seals and just have one seal holding oil in, just like a submersible well pump has. Those pumps are VERY reliable. Now having said all this, I could be wrong ;-) Stay tuned for test results. >>>>>>>> Hank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:31 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How are you doing that Hank? >>>>>>>> Are you compensating the gap between the two seals? >>>>>>>> Otherwise you are in the same situation as the Minn kota motors >>>>>>>> where one of the two seals will fail when you go beyond it's depth >>>>>>>> rating. >>>>>>>> Cheers Alan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 30/03/2017, at 10:40 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Greg, >>>>>>>>> Good points, but I personally am not ready to give up on oil filling. I have reversed one of the two seals in my new motors for Elementary. One seal keeps the oil in and one seal keeps the water out. I am confident this in addition to the compensation system will make for a clean leak proof set up. The ice is off the lake by my house, so my test lake should be open in a week or so. I will know then if my idea works. >>>>>>>>> Hank >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:03 AM, james cottrell via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have to say, I no longer think that WD40 is the best for compensating things underwater. Over time it causes plastics and rubber to harden and become brittle. >>>>>>>>> Silicone oil is better but the other problem with oil compensation in general is that the smallest drop/leak makes a very visible oil slick around your sub (not good). Most guys are using trolling motors and they're not really tight enough to hold thin oil without leaks. >>>>>>>>> Back in the 90s I was using air compensation- and it actually worked really well. As far as I know, Karl Stanley has also been using air compensation for a long time without problems. >>>>>>>>> It's a clean system that's not hard to set up and a small bottle of air lasts for many dives. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Greg C >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >>>>>>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 12:55 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On a brushless motor it will maybe work with mineral oil. >>>>>>> On motors with brushes I have bad expierence with that. >>>>>>> Mineral oil is a big problem in a lake if a motor is even a little untight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>>>>> Datum: 2017-03-28T17:15:59+0200 >>>>>>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" >>>>>>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Carsten, >>>>>>> I did a small test trying to light the WD40 on fire. It's not as flammable as I thought it would be. I think they have improved it's non-flammability with new formulation. It's still somewhat flammable however. >>>>>>> I will be using a light mineral oil in my motors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" >>>>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:22:02 +0200 (MEST) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heat Vapor is may a problem with WD40. >>>>>>> May ensure that the compensating back is big to handle that.. >>>>>>> We change to silicon oil for that reason. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> vbr Carsten >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original-Nachricht----- >>>>>>> Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WD - 40 >>>>>>> Datum: 2017-03-28T04:56:46+0200 >>>>>>> Von: "Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles" >>>>>>> An: "PSubs" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just ran one of my motors filled with the WD40. It seemed to be very happy. I mainly just did it to clean the carbon build up out of the motor. I was surprised how sealed the motor was, it is open at one end where it mates to the gear box. I was able to fill it up without it leaking out anywhere. That could be an issue later when I want the mineral oil to fill all the voids. I might need to actually drill some holes to get some circulation . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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