From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 1 16:08:22 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 09:08:22 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass In-Reply-To: References: <579308381.19654.1540860176767@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <175955786.18724473.1540861814615@mail.yahoo.com> <1743910480.20115076.1540946161327@mail.yahoo.com> <2D6E121D-7C04-481B-A94C-D3C77371829F@yahoo.com> <2142179184.20458472.1540998039458@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31A3552F-9825-4DFC-BF7E-10BA36096CB4@yahoo.com> Just bought a CMPS12 tilt compensated compass module for US$30- . The manufacturer is British & the website has wiring diagrams & code for arduino, raspberry pi etc. https://robot-electronics.co.uk/products/sensors/compass-sensors/cmps12-tilt-compensated-magnetic-compass.html There is nothing much in the way of instructional videos other than how to calibrate the module by slowly turning it when it is first powered up. One revue said it was as close to plug & play as you can get, so heres hoping! I haven't bought a screen yet & know nothing about outputting it in the form of a readable graphic; so looks like another learning curve. Thanks for the heads up on the tilt compensated compass Jon. Alan > On 1/11/2018, at 10:20 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jon, > thanks for that. On holiday in Florida keys till December, that's pretty cool. > I googled & found this item CMPS12 for US $29.90 > https://www.robotshop.com/en/tilt-compensated-magnetic-compass-cmps12.html > documentation... > https://www.robot-electronics.co.uk/files/cmps12.pdf > There are some good reviews on it. One from a guy that is using it on a rov. > Any opinion on this? > Hank will need to display the compass on a screen of some sort. > If he is buying some sort of HMI to display it he may as well have his other > sensors, battery voltage etc displayed on it! He is really on a slippery slope now. > Alan > > >> On 1/11/2018, at 4:00 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, >> >> For the most part, it's about accuracy. This device has been around for many years, it's true, but that's because the specs are very good. It also performs all the calculations spitting out compass heading, yaw, pitch, in a directly usable format as well as being tilt compensated up to 60 degrees (I think). It can be mounted in three different planes which isn't so important from a PSUBS perspective but could be critical in some applications. So for basic compass purposes it is definitely a Cadillac. >> >> There are many cheaper solid state compasses available but few are tilt-compensated and even a little bit of tilt has a major impact on the measurement output. The tilt-compensation on the HMC-6343 really works well and it was important to me to know that the output I am seeing is as accurate as possible despite any wave action on the surface, or small balance issues under water. >> >> Any IMU with 9 degrees of freedom can be used to accomplish the same thing but they all output raw data that needs to be calculated, twisted, torqued, torched, hacksawed, and then welded back together again. The HMC-6343 does that all internally and is simple to configure and program. >> >> The link I showed is a Canadian outlet so price is $188(CAD). USA suppliers have them for $159(US) although they go into short supply occasionally. Add on an arduino for $35 and a bit of time programming, and you have a nice accurate compass for less than $200(US). >> >> I have mine mounted in a small 1 inch PVC pipe with caps on both ends. I will probably fill it with epoxy but I suspect the 1-ATM pvc will hold up fine for the depths I'll be at. And yes, it will be mounted externally, probably 3 feet or so away from the metal hull. However, with programming I can filter any deflection offset caused by the metal hull. >> >> Jon >> >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >> >> Jon, >> I have to buy a compass some time so looked it up but it's pretty expensive >> at $188-. I also saw a video on it dated 2010, so it's at least 8 years old. >> There are modules for less than $20- but not tilt compensated. >> It does say it is "high end" but is there much difference between a cheap >> & expensive compass? ( I know nothing about this). >> The thought came to mind that you could possibly cover it with resin & >> mount it outside the hull away from magnetic interference. >> Alan >> >> >>> On 31/10/2018, at 1:36 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hank, >>> >>> I use HMC6343 tilt compensated compass from Honeywell, with arduino or Raspberry pi microprocessor. Display can be in many formats. These are sometimes hard to get but looks like CANAKIT has some. >>> >>> Compass with Tilt Compensation - HMC6343 >>> >>> >>> Compass with Tilt Compensation - HMC6343 >>> Compass with Tilt Compensation - HMC6343 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >>> To: irox via Personal_Submersibles >>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >>> >>> Ian, >>> Thank you, sorry about the sharp bracket. I will mount the new one on a plastic pole behind the CT >>> Hank >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2018, 6:43:07 PM MDT, irox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Hank! >>> >>> you could google for "Fluxgate compass" and see what you're comfortable with from an electronics point of view. >>> >>> You could build your own for ~$50 ($15 for compass, ~ $10 for microcontroller, ~$20 for a display): >>> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1120 >>> >>> But I imagine you'd prefer something more turn key, like: >>> https://www.starmarinedepot.com/clipper-compass-system-w%2Fremovable-fluxgate-sensor.html >>> >>> The sensor would need mounted outside, away from the hull, like a regular compass. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Ian. >>> P.S.: Please make it less sharp that the current compass mounting bracket on Gamma. :-) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >>> Sent: Oct 29, 2018 5:23 PM >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >>> >>> Hi All, >>> It is time to deal with a compass for Gamma. I would like a solid state compass with no moving parts. Jon, I think you mentioned I could do something for 200 dollars? 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Then off to the sand blaster and then the welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCN3472 (1024x768).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440705 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCN3486 (1024x768).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 345318 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then off to the sand blaster and then the welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. > > I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 06:55:19 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (MerlinSub@t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 11:55:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1541242519734.6875167.965e4ba675262f89c53df7b3a4e5aadf62e39f2d@spica.telekom.de> Hi David, bolted gives you - more and easier possiblities to change later items. - make maintance and repaint job later eaiser (?) - I assume the lower rail system will be from stainless steel? vbr Carsten -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update Datum: 2018-11-03T07:27:39+0100 Von: "David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles" An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are fit and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished. Even the periscope tube was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom of the hull. Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera mount, and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed hull with the trailer the next week. Then off to the sand blaster and then the welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 08:11:07 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 8:11:07 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update In-Reply-To: <1541242519734.6875167.965e4ba675262f89c53df7b3a4e5aadf62e39f2d@spica.telekom.de> Message-ID: <20181103121107.KZ9MF.51828.root@cdptpa-web27> David, in my K-250 rebuild everything that I can bolt on vs. weld I have done. For the reason Carsten mentions. As I think about future maintenance/redesign I am very pleased at the flexibility I can see it will give me. Originally my K-250 had the skids welded to the hull and I saw first hand how those small areas around the welds that could not be gotten to. Therefore there were significant corrosion issues at these points. Now my skids bolt onto tabs welded to the hull. Thanks, Steve ---- "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: > Hi David, > > bolted gives you > > - more and easier possiblities to change later items. > - make maintance and repaint job later eaiser (?) > - I assume the lower rail system will be from stainless steel? > > vbr Carsten > > > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update > Datum: 2018-11-03T07:27:39+0100 > Von: "David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > > > > > Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are fit > and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished. Even the periscope tube > was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom of > the hull. Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera mount, > and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed hull > with the trailer the next week. Then off to the sand blaster and then the > welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. > > I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld the > lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull and > then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame rail > system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > ? From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 08:38:50 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 12:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update In-Reply-To: <20181103121107.KZ9MF.51828.root@cdptpa-web27> References: <1541242519734.6875167.965e4ba675262f89c53df7b3a4e5aadf62e39f2d@spica.telekom.de> <20181103121107.KZ9MF.51828.root@cdptpa-web27> Message-ID: <2063367550.157974.1541248730661@mail.yahoo.com> David,It sure is looking good, fantastic really. ? ?Depending on weight and hull thickness I would consider welding the tab to a pad. ?Defiantly tabs instead of welded on, you would be surprised how important it is to be able to break the sub down into small parts. ?I also think all subs should split in half but thats another discussion.Hank On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 6:11:24 AM MDT, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: David, in my K-250 rebuild everything that I can bolt on vs. weld I have done. For the reason Carsten mentions. As I think about future maintenance/redesign I am very pleased at the flexibility I can see it will give me. Originally my K-250 had the skids welded to the hull and I saw first hand how those small areas around the welds that could not be gotten to. Therefore there were significant corrosion issues at these points. Now my skids bolt onto tabs welded to the hull. Thanks, Steve ---- "MerlinSub at t-online.de via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: > Hi David, >? > bolted gives you >? > - more and easier possiblities to change later items. > - make maintance and repaint job later eaiser (?) > - I assume the lower rail system will be from stainless steel? >? > vbr Carsten >? >? >? > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update > Datum: 2018-11-03T07:27:39+0100 > Von: "David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles" > > An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > >? >? >? > Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are fit > and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished.? Even the periscope tube > was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom of > the hull.? Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera mount, > and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed hull > with the trailer the next? week. Then off to the sand blaster and then the > welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. >? > I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld the > lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull and > then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame rail > system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. >? > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 10:36:51 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 10:36:51 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Super quick progress Dave! As a general rule, everything you can bolt on I would bolt on. The tabs for bolting should be 316 SS, and everything you bolt on should be 316 SS too if at all possible. And the bolts should be 316. I think you get the picture... :) Alec On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 2:27 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are fit > and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished. Even the periscope tube > was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom of > the hull. Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera mount, > and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed hull > with the trailer the next week. Then off to the sand blaster and then the > welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. > > I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld > the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull > and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame > rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 13:28:22 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 10:28:22 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Guys, Thanks for the feed back. The Rails are A516 gr 70 steel and already cut, but I have some 316L stainless that I will now cut for tabs. I'm sure my fabricator won't mind a few more laser cut parts. I was originally going to weld the front camera mount, and rear thruster and hp air rack to the hull, I'm liking the idea to make them removable as well. What's a few more ss tabs. I now have a week to get my trailer prepped to pick up the hull for its trip to the media blaster. Always another project. On a another note, I was having a discussion with the welder about welding the .75" ss hatch ring to the .75 steel sail, and then the need to machine off the surface to flatten it vs why not just drill and tap into the sail and bolt down the hatch to the sail with an oring. Both seem to be about the same amount of work. Has any body ran this scenario before? Best Regards, David On Nov 3, 2018 7:38 AM, "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Super quick progress Dave! As a general rule, everything you can bolt on I would bolt on. The tabs for bolting should be 316 SS, and everything you bolt on should be 316 SS too if at all possible. And the bolts should be 316. I think you get the picture... :) Alec On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 2:27 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are fit > and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished. Even the periscope tube > was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom of > the hull. Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera mount, > and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed hull > with the trailer the next week. Then off to the sand blaster and then the > welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. > > I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld > the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull > and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame > rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 14:03:49 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 11:03:49 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update Message-ID: <20181103110349.AD0AB79D@m0117164.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 15:08:40 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update In-Reply-To: <20181103110349.AD0AB79D@m0117164.ppops.net> References: <20181103110349.AD0AB79D@m0117164.ppops.net> Message-ID: <473474719.264440.1541272120563@mail.yahoo.com> David,You would have to machine the sail before you weld it to the hull, in that case you might as well weld the land ring to the sail then machine it and then weld the sail on. ?If you bolt it on you will need a groove in the land to provide reinforcing, or a second ring.Or I am not getting what your thinking.Hank On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 12:04:02 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: David,??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? If you send me the molds I can pour some custom lead ingots?that will fit your ballast design. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 10:28:22 -0700 Hi Guys, Thanks for the feed back. The Rails are A516 gr 70 steel and already cut, but I have some 316L stainless that I will now cut for tabs. I'm sure my fabricator won't mind a few more laser cut parts.? I was originally going to weld the front camera mount, and rear thruster and hp air rack to the hull, I'm liking the idea to make them removable as well. What's a few more ss tabs. I now have a week to get my trailer prepped to pick up the hull for its trip to the media blaster. Always another project. On a another note,? I was having a discussion with the welder about welding the .75" ss hatch ring to the .75 steel sail, and then the need to machine off the surface to flatten it vs why not just drill and tap into the sail and bolt down the hatch to the sail with an oring. Both seem to be about the same amount of work. Has any body ran this scenario before? Best Regards,David On Nov 3, 2018 7:38 AM, "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" wrote: Super quick progress Dave! As a general rule, everything you can bolt on I would bolt on. The tabs for bolting should be 316 SS, and everything you bolt on should be 316 SS too if at all possible. And the bolts should be 316. I think you get the picture... :)Alec On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 2:27 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are fit and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished.? Even the periscope tube was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom of the hull.? Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera mount, and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed hull with the trailer the next? week. Then off to the sand blaster and then the welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 15:51:24 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 12:51:24 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update In-Reply-To: <473474719.264440.1541272120563@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20181103110349.AD0AB79D@m0117164.ppops.net> <473474719.264440.1541272120563@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Hank, Your spot on. We only did temp tacks of the sails in the hull body, so that we could machine the sail / hatch ring assembly prior to placing it back in the hull body. It seems the bolted idea could be more problematic down the road, but I thought I would ask for other opinions. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:09 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > David, > You would have to machine the sail before you weld it to the hull, in that > case you might as well weld the land ring to the sail then machine it and > then weld the sail on. If you bolt it on you will need a groove in the > land to provide reinforcing, or a second ring. > Or I am not getting what your thinking. > Hank > > On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 12:04:02 PM MDT, Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > David, > If you send me the molds I can pour some custom lead > ingots that will fit your ballast design. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 10:28:22 -0700 > > Hi Guys, Thanks for the feed back. The Rails are A516 gr 70 steel and > already cut, but I have some 316L stainless that I will now cut for tabs. > I'm sure my fabricator won't mind a few more laser cut parts. I was > originally going to weld the front camera mount, and rear thruster and hp > air rack to the hull, I'm liking the idea to make them removable as well. > What's a few more ss tabs. I now have a week to get my trailer prepped to > pick up the hull for its trip to the media blaster. Always another project. > > On a another note, I was having a discussion with the welder about > welding the .75" ss hatch ring to the .75 steel sail, and then the need to > machine off the surface to flatten it vs why not just drill and tap into > the sail and bolt down the hatch to the sail with an oring. Both seem to be > about the same amount of work. Has any body ran this scenario before? > > Best Regards, > David > > On Nov 3, 2018 7:38 AM, "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Super quick progress Dave! As a general rule, everything you can bolt on I > would bolt on. The tabs for bolting should be 316 SS, and everything you > bolt on should be 316 SS too if at all possible. And the bolts should be > 316. I think you get the picture... > > :) > Alec > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 2:27 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are fit > and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished. Even the periscope tube > was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom of > the hull. Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera mount, > and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed hull > with the trailer the next week. Then off to the sand blaster and then the > welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. > > I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld > the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull > and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame > rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 16:01:08 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 13:01:08 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scuba tanks In-Reply-To: <1011539656.271724.1541272798589@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1011539656.271724.1541272798589.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1011539656.271724.1541272798589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Hank, I happen to have one of my 80cf 3000 psi alum tanks full, left over from Tahoe. So set her in the pool and its less than a lb negative. unfortunately both my tanks are full at the moment, not sure what its like empty. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:20 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi All, > I just bought two new aluminum scuba tanks to replace my steel HP tank on > Gamma. I am curious if I can get a fitting for the tank to eliminate the > valves. I don't need to remove the tanks and would like to just plumb them > in. Also, I assume they are neutrally bouyant > when full ? > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 16:12:41 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 16:12:41 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update In-Reply-To: References: <20181103110349.AD0AB79D@m0117164.ppops.net> <473474719.264440.1541272120563@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: While on that topic David, I noticed the vertical welds on the sails are on the sides. I presume the inside of the sails are cut already to contour the intersection with the main hull. But just in case they have not been cut, and since you mention they have only been tacked... are you still in time to rotate them? Those vertical welds would normally go on the centerline, which will make them considerably shorter. It is less labor, less opportunity for flaws, and better looks. If too late to rotate the sails no worry, it'll work fine on the sides but just implies extra welding. Best, Alec On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Hank, Your spot on. We only did temp tacks of the sails in the hull > body, so that we could machine the sail / hatch ring assembly prior to > placing it back in the hull body. > It seems the bolted idea could be more problematic down the road, but I > thought I would ask for other opinions. > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:09 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> David, >> You would have to machine the sail before you weld it to the hull, in >> that case you might as well weld the land ring to the sail then machine it >> and then weld the sail on. If you bolt it on you will need a groove in the >> land to provide reinforcing, or a second ring. >> Or I am not getting what your thinking. >> Hank >> >> On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 12:04:02 PM MDT, Brian Cox via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> David, >> If you send me the molds I can pour some custom lead >> ingots that will fit your ballast design. >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update >> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 10:28:22 -0700 >> >> Hi Guys, Thanks for the feed back. The Rails are A516 gr 70 steel and >> already cut, but I have some 316L stainless that I will now cut for tabs. >> I'm sure my fabricator won't mind a few more laser cut parts. I was >> originally going to weld the front camera mount, and rear thruster and hp >> air rack to the hull, I'm liking the idea to make them removable as well. >> What's a few more ss tabs. I now have a week to get my trailer prepped to >> pick up the hull for its trip to the media blaster. Always another project. >> >> On a another note, I was having a discussion with the welder about >> welding the .75" ss hatch ring to the .75 steel sail, and then the need to >> machine off the surface to flatten it vs why not just drill and tap into >> the sail and bolt down the hatch to the sail with an oring. Both seem to be >> about the same amount of work. Has any body ran this scenario before? >> >> Best Regards, >> David >> >> On Nov 3, 2018 7:38 AM, "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Super quick progress Dave! As a general rule, everything you can bolt on >> I would bolt on. The tabs for bolting should be 316 SS, and everything you >> bolt on should be 316 SS too if at all possible. And the bolts should be >> 316. I think you get the picture... >> >> :) >> Alec >> >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 2:27 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are fit >> and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished. Even the periscope tube >> was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom of >> the hull. Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera mount, >> and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed hull >> with the trailer the next week. Then off to the sand blaster and then the >> welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. >> >> I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld >> the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull >> and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame >> rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. >> >> Best Regards, >> David Colombo >> >> 804 College Ave >> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >> (707) 536-1424 >> www.SeaQuestor.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 16:20:36 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 14:20:36 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scuba tanks In-Reply-To: References: <1011539656.271724.1541272798589.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1011539656.271724.1541272798589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks David, hey will your sub fit in the kids pool like Cliff?s does Hank Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2018, at 2:01 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Hank, I happen to have one of my 80cf 3000 psi alum tanks full, left over from Tahoe. So set her in the pool and its less than a lb negative. unfortunately both my tanks are full at the moment, not sure what its like empty. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:20 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi All, >> I just bought two new aluminum scuba tanks to replace my steel HP tank on Gamma. I am curious if I can get a fitting for the tank to eliminate the valves. I don't need to remove the tanks and would like to just plumb them in. Also, I assume they are neutrally bouyant >> when full ? >> Hank >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 17:01:42 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2018 21:01:42 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scuba tanks In-Reply-To: <1011539656.271724.1541272798589@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1011539656.271724.1541272798589.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1011539656.271724.1541272798589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yup. 3/4-14 NPS for standard tanks in North America, or 7/8-16 UNF for some high pressure cylinders. Either way, you can get fittings to permanently plumb them in, but be aware that when you eliminate an integrated valve, you also eliminate the burst disc safety mechanism, so you will have to implement that safety somehow, upstream of your first valve in the system. Buoyancy will depend on the specific cylinder - you can usually find the data sheets online. A Luxfer 80 will swing from about 3 lbs negative to 3 lbs positive, full to empty. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Nov 3, 2018, 13:19, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi All, > I just bought two new aluminum scuba tanks to replace my steel HP tank on Gamma. I am curious if I can get a fitting for the tank to eliminate the valves. I don't need to remove the tanks and would like to just plumb them in. Also, I assume they are neutrally bouyant > when full ? > Hank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 17:17:31 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scuba tanks In-Reply-To: References: <1011539656.271724.1541272798589.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1011539656.271724.1541272798589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1442851460.302952.1541279851420@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Sean, good point. ?Maybe best to use the valves, it might be good in case my compressor failed. ?I could fill the tanks elsewhere. Hank On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 3:02:06 PM MDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Yup. 3/4-14 NPS for standard tanks in North America, or 7/8-16 UNF for some high pressure cylinders. Either way, you can get fittings to permanently plumb them in, but be aware that when you eliminate an integrated valve, you also eliminate the burst disc safety mechanism, so you will have to implement that safety somehow, upstream of your first valve in the system. Buoyancy will depend on the specific cylinder - you can usually find the data sheets online. A Luxfer 80 will swing from about 3 lbs negative to 3 lbs positive, full to empty. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Nov 3, 2018, 13:19, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Hi All,I just bought two new aluminum scuba tanks to replace my steel HP tank on Gamma. ?I am curious if I can get a fitting for the tank to eliminate the valves. ?I don't need to remove the tanks and would like to just plumb them in. ?Also, I assume they are neutrally bouyant?when full ?Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 17:46:12 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 14:46:12 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update In-Reply-To: References: <20181103110349.AD0AB79D@m0117164.ppops.net> <473474719.264440.1541272120563@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex, unfortunately the seam location was discovered as the cnc plasma was finishing it cut. So the welder gets to make it look pretty. The fiberglass exoskeleton will hide all but about 1 inch. David On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 1:13 PM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > While on that topic David, I noticed the vertical welds on the sails are > on the sides. I presume the inside of the sails are cut already to contour > the intersection with the main hull. But just in case they have not been > cut, and since you mention they have only been tacked... are you still in > time to rotate them? Those vertical welds would normally go on the > centerline, which will make them considerably shorter. It is less labor, > less opportunity for flaws, and better looks. If too late to rotate the > sails no worry, it'll work fine on the sides but just implies extra welding. > > Best, > Alec > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi Hank, Your spot on. We only did temp tacks of the sails in the hull >> body, so that we could machine the sail / hatch ring assembly prior to >> placing it back in the hull body. >> It seems the bolted idea could be more problematic down the road, but I >> thought I would ask for other opinions. >> Best Regards, >> David Colombo >> >> 804 College Ave >> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >> (707) 536-1424 >> www.SeaQuestor.com >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:09 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> David, >>> You would have to machine the sail before you weld it to the hull, in >>> that case you might as well weld the land ring to the sail then machine it >>> and then weld the sail on. If you bolt it on you will need a groove in the >>> land to provide reinforcing, or a second ring. >>> Or I am not getting what your thinking. >>> Hank >>> >>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 12:04:02 PM MDT, Brian Cox via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> David, >>> If you send me the molds I can pour some custom lead >>> ingots that will fit your ballast design. >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> >>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>> >>> From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update >>> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 10:28:22 -0700 >>> >>> Hi Guys, Thanks for the feed back. The Rails are A516 gr 70 steel and >>> already cut, but I have some 316L stainless that I will now cut for tabs. >>> I'm sure my fabricator won't mind a few more laser cut parts. I was >>> originally going to weld the front camera mount, and rear thruster and hp >>> air rack to the hull, I'm liking the idea to make them removable as well. >>> What's a few more ss tabs. I now have a week to get my trailer prepped to >>> pick up the hull for its trip to the media blaster. Always another project. >>> >>> On a another note, I was having a discussion with the welder about >>> welding the .75" ss hatch ring to the .75 steel sail, and then the need to >>> machine off the surface to flatten it vs why not just drill and tap into >>> the sail and bolt down the hatch to the sail with an oring. Both seem to be >>> about the same amount of work. Has any body ran this scenario before? >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> David >>> >>> On Nov 3, 2018 7:38 AM, "Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles" < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Super quick progress Dave! As a general rule, everything you can bolt on >>> I would bolt on. The tabs for bolting should be 316 SS, and everything you >>> bolt on should be 316 SS too if at all possible. And the bolts should be >>> 316. I think you get the picture... >>> >>> :) >>> Alec >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 2:27 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are >>> fit and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished. Even the periscope >>> tube was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom >>> of the hull. Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera >>> mount, and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed >>> hull with the trailer the next week. Then off to the sand blaster and then >>> the welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. >>> >>> I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld >>> the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull >>> and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame >>> rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> David Colombo >>> >>> 804 College Ave >>> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >>> (707) 536-1424 >>> www.SeaQuestor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >>> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 17:48:19 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 14:48:19 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scuba tanks In-Reply-To: References: <1011539656.271724.1541272798589.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1011539656.271724.1541272798589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, just barely, however I never get permission. David On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 1:21 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks David, hey will your sub fit in the kids pool like Cliff?s does > Hank > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 3, 2018, at 2:01 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Hank, I happen to have one of my 80cf 3000 psi alum tanks full, left > over from Tahoe. So set her in the pool and its less than a lb negative. > unfortunately both my tanks are full at the moment, not sure what its like > empty. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:20 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I just bought two new aluminum scuba tanks to replace my steel HP tank on >> Gamma. I am curious if I can get a fitting for the tank to eliminate the >> valves. I don't need to remove the tanks and would like to just plumb them >> in. Also, I assume they are neutrally bouyant >> when full ? >> Hank >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please contact me off-line. hfulton at q-subs.com From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 7:26 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor build update Hi guys, the SeaQuestor pressure hull is well underway. All sails are fit and tacked, all thru hull openings are finished. Even the periscope tube was fit today. still need to complete its penetration thru the bottom of the hull. Next week the rear tank and thruster rack, forward camera mount, and bottom rail to be completed. I expect to pick up the completed hull with the trailer the next week. Then off to the sand blaster and then the welder. This weekend's job is to get the trailer prepped. I do have a question for the group. I am debating as to whether to weld the lower frame rail system to the pressure hull, or weld tabs to the hull and then bolt to the frame rail which would allow for removal. The frame rail system will hold the drop weight system. I would like your thoughts. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 19:18:25 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 16:18:25 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] CO2meter In-Reply-To: <004f01d473c2$98ab9ba0$ca02d2e0$@airesearch.nl> References: <004f01d473c2$98ab9ba0$ca02d2e0$@airesearch.nl> Message-ID: Thanks Emile, I'll let you know what i think after mine arrives. David On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 3:15 PM via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Nice CO2 instrument with backlight. > > > https://www.co2meter.com/collections/desktop/products/rechargeable-co2-monitor-data-logger > > > > BR, Emile > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 3 19:40:34 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 16:40:34 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scuba tanks In-Reply-To: J3mpgZZnsDhAwJ3mrg9lFH References: <1011539656.271724.1541272798589.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1011539656.271724.1541272798589@mail.yahoo.com> J3mpgZZnsDhAwJ3mrg9lFH Message-ID: <008301d473ce$9ebd2480$dc376d80$@telus.net> The typical 80cuft Al scuba tank is 1.5lbs negative in seawater when full containing about 5.9lbs of air. Completely empty they are 4.4lbs positive in seawater. Generally, you do not empty an air tank while diving. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:48 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scuba tanks Hank, just barely, however I never get permission. David On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 1:21 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Thanks David, hey will your sub fit in the kids pool like Cliff?s does Hank Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2018, at 2:01 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Hank, I happen to have one of my 80cf 3000 psi alum tanks full, left over from Tahoe. So set her in the pool and its less than a lb negative. unfortunately both my tanks are full at the moment, not sure what its like empty. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:20 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi All, I just bought two new aluminum scuba tanks to replace my steel HP tank on Gamma. I am curious if I can get a fitting for the tank to eliminate the valves. I don't need to remove the tanks and would like to just plumb them in. Also, I assume they are neutrally bouyant when full ? 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Completely empty they are 4.4lbs positive in seawater.? Generally, you do not empty an air tank while diving. Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 2:48 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] scuba tanks ? Hank, just barely, however I never get permission.? David ? On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 1:21 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks David, ?hey will your sub fit in the kids pool like Cliff?s does Hank Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2018, at 2:01 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Hank, I happen to have one of my 80cf 3000 psi alum tanks full, left over from Tahoe. So set her in the pool and its less than a lb negative. unfortunately both my tanks are full at the moment, not sure what its like empty. ? Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com ? ? On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:20 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, I just bought two new aluminum scuba tanks to replace my steel HP tank on Gamma.? I am curious if I can get a fitting for the tank to eliminate the valves.? I don't need to remove the tanks and would like to just plumb them in.? Also, I assume they are neutrally bouyant ?when full ? 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Thanks, Steve From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Nov 6 02:36:48 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:36:48 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SubConn Thru-Hull Connector Discount In-Reply-To: <20181105235209.78SBX.119441.root@cdptpa-web24> References: <20181105235209.78SBX.119441.root@cdptpa-web24> Message-ID: <94932AAC-AAF9-4C09-BFC6-1B403BEAF97A@yahoo.com> Thanks Steve, it was a good reminder to me to get cracking on my purchase. I sent an email to OTS asking whether the units could be modified easily for a more powerful signal. Not sure if I'll hear back but I am interested in this as it could be an easy hack. Alan > On 6/11/2018, at 12:52 PM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > All, today I ordered the SubConn BH4F thru-hull kit to comply with the PSUBS guidelines and had no problems getting the PSUBS discount (no questions asked). > > Just wanted to share we are apparently still in good standing with this arrangement. > > I plan to implement the same configuration shown in Cliff's R300 VHF+OTS comms. schematic. found on our Design & Fabrication portion of the Web site. > > Thanks, > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 9 15:58:22 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 15:58:22 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey Message-ID: All, for those using 12V systems I was wondering who has an LED design that works well? Was hoping to get feedback on lumens and currents. I am allowing 10 amps per light as an assumption for choosing a penetrator rating (10k lumens = approx. 111 watts (LED), 111W/12V= 9.25A). Seems 10k lumens has proven enough from what I have been observing. Looking for some validation, feedback. Thanks, Steve From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 9 17:57:02 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 22:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1542621795.62273.1541804222667@mail.yahoo.com> I would add to that survey, please describe the ease of air/oil compensating the light. From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles To: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 4:51 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey All, for those using 12V systems I was wondering who has an LED design that works well? Was hoping to get feedback on lumens and currents. I am allowing 10 amps per light as an assumption for choosing a penetrator rating (10k lumens = approx. 111 watts (LED), 111W/12V= 9.25A). Seems 10k lumens has proven enough from what I have been observing. Looking for some validation, feedback. Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 9 19:54:39 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 00:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey In-Reply-To: <1542621795.62273.1541804222667@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1542621795.62273.1541804222667@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1806247385.14033.1541811280340@mail.yahoo.com> Jon, SteveNot sure if this is up your alley, but here is a picture of a 10,000L oil filled light that is very easy to build and inexpensive. ?I have tested this light to 1,500 psi. ? This is a short version of the 24,000 L light on Gamma that is just amazing. ?The light consists of a off road light bar circuit board that slides tightly into an acrylic tube with rubber ends to act as bellows.Hank On Friday, November 9, 2018, 3:57:23 PM MST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I would add to that survey, please describe the ease of air/oil compensating the light. From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles To: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 4:51 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey All, for those using 12V systems I was wondering who has an LED design that works well? Was hoping to get feedback on lumens and currents. I am allowing 10 amps per light as an assumption for choosing a penetrator rating (10k lumens = approx. 111 watts (LED), 111W/12V= 9.25A). Seems 10k lumens has proven enough from what I have been observing. Looking for some validation, feedback. 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My unit is 70W & has about 7-8000 lumens output. I am using two of these flood lights set up like headlights. If you went with my 70 W system that would mean the LED driver would be drawing about 6 Amps from the batteries off a 12V system but outputting about 2 Amps at 36V to the LED. So if you keep the driver in the hull 2 Amps through the through hull & if the driver is in the back of the light 6 Amps for a 70W LED. I recommend keeping the driver in the hull, as the LEDs put out a lot of heat that can cook the electronics & I know with DC motor drivers they recommend as short a run of wire as possible from battery to driver. Cheers Alan > On 10/11/2018, at 9:58 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > All, for those using 12V systems I was wondering who has an LED design that works well? Was hoping to get feedback on lumens and currents. > > I am allowing 10 amps per light as an assumption for choosing a penetrator rating (10k lumens = approx. 111 watts (LED), 111W/12V= 9.25A). > > Seems 10k lumens has proven enough from what I have been observing. > > Looking for some validation, feedback. > > Thanks, Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 9 23:12:46 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:12:46 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey In-Reply-To: <1806247385.14033.1541811280340@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1542621795.62273.1541804222667@mail.yahoo.com> <1806247385.14033.1541811280340@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37EB9D67-3DAD-43EC-B328-9802881AED8E@yahoo.com> Steve, Jon, sorry didn't see the comment about oil / air. I went with air after playing around with oil. Mainly because of mess & concerns about the oil degrading or yellowing of the oil. The perspex lens I was using with oil compensation, trapped the heat in compared with a glass lens. You put your hand in front of the glass & plastic lenses & a lot more heat radiates out through the glass. When we visited Nuytco they were using oil compensated lights with an oil filled plastic wiring tube out the back. I am pretty sure I remember one of their guys saying that they initiate the collapse of this tube by putting some sort of clip on it. We discussed this on Psubs & thought that the plastic tube could take more than 100psi before collapsing & equalising the light fitting without this initialisation. I spent a lot of time designing & building my lights, but I was aiming for something as small as possible. If you don't care about size then oil compensating an off the shelf light as Hank suggested will save you a lot of time. I think Alec hard anodised an off the shelf light. Below are the parts for the light I made, including the mold for the polyurathane exterior of the wire entry. The lens, driver, driver housing & large teflon seal that the lens sits on were custom made for me. Alan > On 10/11/2018, at 1:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jon, Steve > Not sure if this is up your alley, but here is a picture of a 10,000L oil filled light that is very easy to build and inexpensive. I have tested this light to 1,500 psi. This is a short version of the 24,000 L light on Gamma that is just amazing. The light consists of a off road light bar circuit board that slides tightly into an acrylic tube with rubber ends to act as bellows. > Hank > > On Friday, November 9, 2018, 3:57:23 PM MST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > I would add to that survey, please describe the ease of air/oil compensating the light. > > > From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > To: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 4:51 PM > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey > > All, for those using 12V systems I was wondering who has an LED design that works well? Was hoping to get feedback on lumens and currents. > > I am allowing 10 amps per light as an assumption for choosing a penetrator rating (10k lumens = approx. 111 watts (LED), 111W/12V= 9.25A). > > Seems 10k lumens has proven enough from what I have been observing. > > Looking for some validation, feedback. > > Thanks, Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mainly because of mess & concerns about the oil degrading or yellowing of the oil. The perspex lens I was using with oil compensation, trapped the heat in compared with a glass lens.? You put your hand in front of the glass & plastic lenses & a lot more heat? radiates out through the glass.? When we visited Nuytco they were using oil compensated lights with an oil filled plastic wiring tube out the back. I am pretty sure I remember one of their guys saying that they initiate the collapse of this tube by putting some sort of clip on it. We discussed this on Psubs & thought that the plastic tube could take more than 100psi before collapsing & equalising the light fitting without this initialisation. I spent a lot of time designing & building my lights, but I was aiming for something as small as possible. If you don't care about size then oil compensating an off? the shelf light as Hank suggested will save you a lot of time. I think Alec hard anodised an off the shelf light.? Below are the parts for the light I made, including the mold for the polyurathane exterior of the wire entry. The lens, driver, driver housing & large teflon seal that the lens sits on were custom made for me. Alan ? On 10/11/2018, at 1:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, Steve Not sure if this is up your alley, but here is a picture of a 10,000L oil filled light that is very easy to build and inexpensive. ?I have tested this light to 1,500 psi. ? This is a short version of the 24,000 L light on Gamma that is just amazing. ?The light consists of a off road light bar circuit board that slides tightly into an acrylic tube with rubber ends to act as bellows. Hank On Friday, November 9, 2018, 3:57:23 PM MST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I would add to that survey, please describe the ease of air/oil compensating the light. From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles To: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 4:51 PM Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey All, for those using 12V systems I was wondering who has an LED design that works well? Was hoping to get feedback on lumens and currents. I am allowing 10 amps per light as an assumption for choosing a penetrator rating (10k lumens = approx. 111 watts (LED), 111W/12V= 9.25A). Seems 10k lumens has proven enough from what I have been observing. Looking for some validation, feedback. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Nov 10 13:41:14 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 07:41:14 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey In-Reply-To: <08hcpspbw38ym3134152qkxb.1541859504492@email.android.com> References: <08hcpspbw38ym3134152qkxb.1541859504492@email.android.com> Message-ID: <12DD8A1D-1F87-477D-879F-859491182B16@yahoo.com> Steve, I am going with a similar set up but in addition are putting a spot light up high for surface navigation & for further penetration under water. I am also thinking about an internal light acting as emergency lighting, but with a spongy heat resistant teflon (ptfe) seal on the front of it so I can push it up against a view port to spot things in the water. Don't know how this will work with ghosting from the acrylic. Then there are the navigation lights that I have only thought about so far. Cheers Alan On 11/11/2018, at 3:18 AM, Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Alan/Hank, good information. I have some time to finalize my light solution. > > Sounds like 10A per light is reasonable. I am using the same Subconn penetrator/connector as we use for the Psubs std. comms. connection. > > I will feed 2 lights thru 1 penetrator. My design has 4 lights total. 2 fwd, 1 port and 1 stb. > > Steve > > > > > On November 9, 2018, at 11:12 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Steve, Jon, > sorry didn't see the comment about oil / air. > I went with air after playing around with oil. Mainly because of mess & concerns > about the oil degrading or yellowing of the oil. The perspex lens I was using > with oil compensation, trapped the heat in compared with a glass lens. > You put your hand in front of the glass & plastic lenses & a lot more heat > radiates out through the glass. > When we visited Nuytco they were using oil compensated lights with an oil > filled plastic wiring tube out the back. I am pretty sure I remember one of their > guys saying that they initiate the collapse of this tube by putting some > sort of clip on it. We discussed this on Psubs & thought that the plastic tube > could take more than 100psi before collapsing & equalising the light fitting > without this initialisation. > I spent a lot of time designing & building my lights, but I was aiming for something > as small as possible. If you don't care about size then oil compensating an off > the shelf light as Hank suggested will save you a lot of time. I think Alec hard > anodised an off the shelf light. > Below are the parts for the light I made, including the mold for the polyurathane > exterior of the wire entry. The lens, driver, driver housing & large teflon seal that > the lens sits on were custom made for me. > Alan > > > >> On 10/11/2018, at 1:54 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Jon, Steve >> Not sure if this is up your alley, but here is a picture of a 10,000L oil filled light that is very easy to build and inexpensive. I have tested this light to 1,500 psi. This is a short version of the 24,000 L light on Gamma that is just amazing. The light consists of a off road light bar circuit board that slides tightly into an acrylic tube with rubber ends to act as bellows. >> Hank >> >> On Friday, November 9, 2018, 3:57:23 PM MST, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> I would add to that survey, please describe the ease of air/oil compensating the light. >> >> >> From: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles >> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 4:51 PM >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 12V DC Light Survey >> >> All, for those using 12V systems I was wondering who has an LED design that works well? Was hoping to get feedback on lumens and currents. >> >> I am allowing 10 amps per light as an assumption for choosing a penetrator rating (10k lumens = approx. 111 watts (LED), 111W/12V= 9.25A). >> >> Seems 10k lumens has proven enough from what I have been observing. >> >> Looking for some validation, feedback. >> >> Thanks, Steve >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Nov 12 22:48:30 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 16:48:30 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass In-Reply-To: References: <579308381.19654.1540860176767@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <175955786.18724473.1540861814615@mail.yahoo.com> <1743910480.20115076.1540946161327@mail.yahoo.com> <2D6E121D-7C04-481B-A94C-D3C77371829F@yahoo.com> <2142179184.20458472.1540998039458@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C9ECC62-60F1-4148-B1B1-97D1B3025EBA@yahoo.com> My tilt compensated compass arrived. Tiny little thing ( see photo ). Cost US 29:90, Bought from a British firm "robot electronics", but came direct from China! Now the fun starts, as I need to process the signal on an Arduino or Raspberry pi & do an online course ( on what I am not sure) to be able to display it as a graphic on a screen. Alan > On 1/11/2018, at 10:20 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Jon, > thanks for that. On holiday in Florida keys till December, that's pretty cool. > I googled & found this item CMPS12 for US $29.90 > https://www.robotshop.com/en/tilt-compensated-magnetic-compass-cmps12.html > documentation... > https://www.robot-electronics.co.uk/files/cmps12.pdf > There are some good reviews on it. One from a guy that is using it on a rov. > Any opinion on this? > Hank will need to display the compass on a screen of some sort. > If he is buying some sort of HMI to display it he may as well have his other > sensors, battery voltage etc displayed on it! He is really on a slippery slope now. > Alan > > >> On 1/11/2018, at 4:00 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, >> >> For the most part, it's about accuracy. This device has been around for many years, it's true, but that's because the specs are very good. It also performs all the calculations spitting out compass heading, yaw, pitch, in a directly usable format as well as being tilt compensated up to 60 degrees (I think). It can be mounted in three different planes which isn't so important from a PSUBS perspective but could be critical in some applications. So for basic compass purposes it is definitely a Cadillac. >> >> There are many cheaper solid state compasses available but few are tilt-compensated and even a little bit of tilt has a major impact on the measurement output. The tilt-compensation on the HMC-6343 really works well and it was important to me to know that the output I am seeing is as accurate as possible despite any wave action on the surface, or small balance issues under water. >> >> Any IMU with 9 degrees of freedom can be used to accomplish the same thing but they all output raw data that needs to be calculated, twisted, torqued, torched, hacksawed, and then welded back together again. The HMC-6343 does that all internally and is simple to configure and program. >> >> The link I showed is a Canadian outlet so price is $188(CAD). USA suppliers have them for $159(US) although they go into short supply occasionally. Add on an arduino for $35 and a bit of time programming, and you have a nice accurate compass for less than $200(US). >> >> I have mine mounted in a small 1 inch PVC pipe with caps on both ends. I will probably fill it with epoxy but I suspect the 1-ATM pvc will hold up fine for the depths I'll be at. And yes, it will be mounted externally, probably 3 feet or so away from the metal hull. However, with programming I can filter any deflection offset caused by the metal hull. >> >> Jon >> >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >> >> Jon, >> I have to buy a compass some time so looked it up but it's pretty expensive >> at $188-. I also saw a video on it dated 2010, so it's at least 8 years old. >> There are modules for less than $20- but not tilt compensated. >> It does say it is "high end" but is there much difference between a cheap >> & expensive compass? ( I know nothing about this). >> The thought came to mind that you could possibly cover it with resin & >> mount it outside the hull away from magnetic interference. >> Alan >> >> >>> On 31/10/2018, at 1:36 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hank, >>> >>> I use HMC6343 tilt compensated compass from Honeywell, with arduino or Raspberry pi microprocessor. Display can be in many formats. These are sometimes hard to get but looks like CANAKIT has some. >>> >>> Compass with Tilt Compensation - HMC6343 >>> >>> >>> Compass with Tilt Compensation - HMC6343 >>> Compass with Tilt Compensation - HMC6343 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >>> To: irox via Personal_Submersibles >>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >>> >>> Ian, >>> Thank you, sorry about the sharp bracket. I will mount the new one on a plastic pole behind the CT >>> Hank >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2018, 6:43:07 PM MDT, irox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Hank! >>> >>> you could google for "Fluxgate compass" and see what you're comfortable with from an electronics point of view. >>> >>> You could build your own for ~$50 ($15 for compass, ~ $10 for microcontroller, ~$20 for a display): >>> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1120 >>> >>> But I imagine you'd prefer something more turn key, like: >>> https://www.starmarinedepot.com/clipper-compass-system-w%2Fremovable-fluxgate-sensor.html >>> >>> The sensor would need mounted outside, away from the hull, like a regular compass. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Ian. >>> P.S.: Please make it less sharp that the current compass mounting bracket on Gamma. :-) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >>> Sent: Oct 29, 2018 5:23 PM >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >>> >>> Hi All, >>> It is time to deal with a compass for Gamma. I would like a solid state compass with no moving parts. Jon, I think you mentioned I could do something for 200 dollars? 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Cost $48- ( does not include penetrators) This is similar to how the DW2000 does their penetrators. https://www.bluerobotics.com/store/watertight-enclosures/4-series/wte4-m-end-cap-18-hole-r2-rp/ They have also released a potting mix. https://www.bluerobotics.com/store/cables-connectors/tools/potting-thx-80a-r1/ Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When you have all the hardware, you will need to download the development application, load the code, then upload it to the arduino. The easiest and quickest way to display the output is on the "console" that comes with the development application.? In actual use, an LCD display of some type is probably easiest.? Check out?https://www.adafruit.com/?q=lcd?as an example. Jon From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass My tilt compensated compass arrived.Tiny little thing ( see photo ). Cost US 29:90, Bought from a?British firm "robot electronics", but came direct from China!Now the fun starts, as I need to process the signal on an Arduinoor Raspberry pi & do an online course ( on what I am not sure)to be able to display it as a graphic on a screen.Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I like what you have done, which is similar to the graphics display on commercial submersibles, & I want to display all my sensors in a similar way. I would also like to display video image (periscope) on the same screen. I am envisaging that there are graphics packages that make this job a bit easier. I have seen marine instrument display programs, but a submarine being so unique will require taylor made graphics. I have learnt photoshop & done a bit of animation so are not too daunted by what I may be getting in to & would probably enjoy creating some high definition (cool) displays. So am probably looking for some sort of program that focuses on marine, automobile or manufacturing instrument display & has basics like bar graphs etc but can be tailored to cover instruments on a submarine. Hopefully something that takes a lot of programming out of the equation. Cheers Alan > On 15/11/2018, at 8:21 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > > You will need an arduino board, a bread board, and some wiring. Check out sparkfun or adafruit for development kits. > > When you have all the hardware, you will need to download the development application, load the code, then upload it to the arduino. > > The easiest and quickest way to display the output is on the "console" that comes with the development application. In actual use, an LCD display of some type is probably easiest. Check out https://www.adafruit.com/?q=lcd as an example. > > Jon > > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass > > My tilt compensated compass arrived. > Tiny little thing ( see photo ). Cost US 29:90, Bought from a > British firm "robot electronics", but came direct from China! > Now the fun starts, as I need to process the signal on an Arduino > or Raspberry pi & do an online course ( on what I am not sure) > to be able to display it as a graphic on a screen. > Alan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Nov 14 18:46:04 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass In-Reply-To: <77FDA753-522D-461A-9E71-1959828F4C12@yahoo.com> References: <579308381.19654.1540860176767@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <175955786.18724473.1540861814615@mail.yahoo.com> <1743910480.20115076.1540946161327@mail.yahoo.com> <2D6E121D-7C04-481B-A94C-D3C77371829F@yahoo.com> <2142179184.20458472.1540998039458@mail.yahoo.com> <4C9ECC62-60F1-4148-B1B1-97D1B3025EBA@yahoo.com> <793381719.658325.1542223273142@mail.yahoo.com> <77FDA753-522D-461A-9E71-1959828F4C12@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1354362862.855163.1542239164665@mail.yahoo.com> My advice then, if you are patient enough, is to mimic my graphics hardware and start with my software package modifying as necessary.? I don't think you are going to find a display for the Arduino that is fancy enough for what you want to do.? You need to jump up to the Raspberry PI if you want serious graphics capability.? With the PI there are numerous options available including a capacitive touch screen display and remote access from your phone, tablet, or computer via VNC. Unfortunately due to the unique nature of our vessels, programming is going to be required.? The graphics package I use is called "Processing" but you could also use "Python".? I've been a software programmer for 35 years so I found the learning curve for "Processing" pretty easy, but I will say that the program which reads my data and displays the graphics is quite intense.? It's much simpler if you can fit everything you want onto one screen, but gets very complicated when you start dividing things up into different screens.? Nothing is free.? :) I'm happy to share my code with you and even modify it to produce an "open software" product, which was my intent once I got things the way I wanted them.? That's why I ended up using universal graphic icons instead of text for most of the display options and functionality.? Frankly, I've been away from it long enough that I need to get back into the code and figure out what I did. Jon From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass Jon,thanks. What I am not sure about is the graphics sideof things. I like what you have done, which is similar to the graphics displayon commercial submersibles, & I want to display all my sensors in a similar way.?I would also like to display video image (periscope) on the same screen.I am envisaging that there are graphics packages that make this job a biteasier. I have seen marine instrument display programs, but a submarine being so?unique will require taylor made graphics.?I have learnt photoshop & done a bit of animation so are not too daunted bywhat I may be getting in to & would probably enjoy creating some high definition(cool) displays.So am probably looking for some sort of program that focuses on marine,automobile or manufacturing instrument display & has basics like bar graphsetc but can be tailored to cover instruments on a submarine. Hopefullysomething that takes a lot of programming out of the equation.Cheers Alan? On 15/11/2018, at 8:21 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, You will need an arduino board, a bread board, and some wiring.? Check out sparkfun or adafruit for development kits. When you have all the hardware, you will need to download the development application, load the code, then upload it to the arduino. The easiest and quickest way to display the output is on the "console" that comes with the development application.? In actual use, an LCD display of some type is probably easiest.? Check out?https://www.adafruit.com/?q=lcd?as an example. Jon From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass My tilt compensated compass arrived.Tiny little thing ( see photo ). Cost US 29:90, Bought from a?British firm "robot electronics", but came direct from China!Now the fun starts, as I need to process the signal on an Arduinoor Raspberry pi & do an online course ( on what I am not sure)to be able to display it as a graphic on a screen.Alan _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Nov 14 21:07:22 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:07:22 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass In-Reply-To: <1354362862.855163.1542239164665@mail.yahoo.com> References: <579308381.19654.1540860176767@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <175955786.18724473.1540861814615@mail.yahoo.com> <1743910480.20115076.1540946161327@mail.yahoo.com> <2D6E121D-7C04-481B-A94C-D3C77371829F@yahoo.com> <2142179184.20458472.1540998039458@mail.yahoo.com> <4C9ECC62-60F1-4148-B1B1-97D1B3025EBA@yahoo.com> <793381719.658325.1542223273142@mail.yahoo.com> <77FDA753-522D-461A-9E71-1959828F4C12@yahoo.com> <1354362862.855163.1542239164665@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <394A305A-1B6E-48A0-BA66-D833DFBAF651@yahoo.com> Thanks Jon, I am getting the picture. I can blink an LED on an arduino lol. I am going to need a multy layered screen unfortunately. I have additional features like motor & motor driver temperature, rpm & Watts on 7 thrusters & some other unique displays. I have seen some marine gauge software that is customisable but haven't looked in detail. This screen comes with free $500- Vdash software.... http://www.digitalmarinegauges.com/products/touch-screen-display-units.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_softy.tpl&product_id=68&category_id=16 Thanks for the offer to copy your system. There are a few of us that would benefit from that. In future that would be a great way to go for any build, as there is a lot of expense to be saved by buying the individual sensors, putting them through the one processor & displaying on the one screen, rather than buying a multitude of expensive units that take up more space. I am interested in any further progress. Cheers Alan > On 15/11/2018, at 12:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > My advice then, if you are patient enough, is to mimic my graphics hardware and start with my software package modifying as necessary. I don't think you are going to find a display for the Arduino that is fancy enough for what you want to do. You need to jump up to the Raspberry PI if you want serious graphics capability. With the PI there are numerous options available including a capacitive touch screen display and remote access from your phone, tablet, or computer via VNC. > > Unfortunately due to the unique nature of our vessels, programming is going to be required. The graphics package I use is called "Processing" but you could also use "Python". I've been a software programmer for 35 years so I found the learning curve for "Processing" pretty easy, but I will say that the program which reads my data and displays the graphics is quite intense. It's much simpler if you can fit everything you want onto one screen, but gets very complicated when you start dividing things up into different screens. Nothing is free. :) > > I'm happy to share my code with you and even modify it to produce an "open software" product, which was my intent once I got things the way I wanted them. That's why I ended up using universal graphic icons instead of text for most of the display options and functionality. Frankly, I've been away from it long enough that I need to get back into the code and figure out what I did. > > Jon > > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass > > Jon, > thanks. What I am not sure about is the graphics side > of things. I like what you have done, which is similar to the graphics display > on commercial submersibles, & I want to display all my sensors in a similar way. > I would also like to display video image (periscope) on the same screen. > I am envisaging that there are graphics packages that make this job a bit > easier. I have seen marine instrument display programs, but a submarine being so > unique will require taylor made graphics. > I have learnt photoshop & done a bit of animation so are not too daunted by > what I may be getting in to & would probably enjoy creating some high definition > (cool) displays. > So am probably looking for some sort of program that focuses on marine, > automobile or manufacturing instrument display & has basics like bar graphs > etc but can be tailored to cover instruments on a submarine. Hopefully > something that takes a lot of programming out of the equation. > Cheers Alan > > > >> On 15/11/2018, at 8:21 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, >> >> You will need an arduino board, a bread board, and some wiring. Check out sparkfun or adafruit for development kits. >> >> When you have all the hardware, you will need to download the development application, load the code, then upload it to the arduino. >> >> The easiest and quickest way to display the output is on the "console" that comes with the development application. In actual use, an LCD display of some type is probably easiest. Check out https://www.adafruit.com/?q=lcd as an example. >> >> Jon >> >> >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >> >> My tilt compensated compass arrived. >> Tiny little thing ( see photo ). Cost US 29:90, Bought from a >> British firm "robot electronics", but came direct from China! >> Now the fun starts, as I need to process the signal on an Arduino >> or Raspberry pi & do an online course ( on what I am not sure) >> to be able to display it as a graphic on a screen. >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All you need is the display designed specifically for the Raspberry PI which retails between $65-75(US). Official Raspberry Pi 7" Touch Screen Display with 10 Finger Capacitive Touch | | | | $ 64.95 | | | | | | | Official Raspberry Pi 7" Touch Screen Display with 10 Finger Capacitiv... American Raspberry Pi Shop. One stop shop for all your Pi needs. Raspberry Pi add-ons, HATs, accessories, Starte... | | | | From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass Thanks Jon,I am getting the picture.I can blink an LED on an arduino lol.I am going to need a multy layered screen unfortunately. I have additional?features like motor & motor driver temperature, rpm & Watts on 7 thrusters?& some other unique displays.I have seen some marine gauge software that is customisable but haven't?looked in detail.This screen comes with free $500- Vdash software....http://www.digitalmarinegauges.com/products/touch-screen-display-units.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_softy.tpl&product_id=68&category_id=16Thanks for the offer to copy your system. There are a few of us that would?benefit from that. In future that would be a great way to go for any build, asthere is a lot of expense to be saved by buying the individual sensors,putting them through the one processor & displaying on the one screen, ratherthan buying a multitude of expensive units that take up more space.I am interested in any further progress.Cheers Alan On 15/11/2018, at 12:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: My advice then, if you are patient enough, is to mimic my graphics hardware and start with my software package modifying as necessary.? I don't think you are going to find a display for the Arduino that is fancy enough for what you want to do.? You need to jump up to the Raspberry PI if you want serious graphics capability.? With the PI there are numerous options available including a capacitive touch screen display and remote access from your phone, tablet, or computer via VNC. Unfortunately due to the unique nature of our vessels, programming is going to be required.? The graphics package I use is called "Processing" but you could also use "Python".? I've been a software programmer for 35 years so I found the learning curve for "Processing" pretty easy, but I will say that the program which reads my data and displays the graphics is quite intense.? It's much simpler if you can fit everything you want onto one screen, but gets very complicated when you start dividing things up into different screens.? Nothing is free.? :) I'm happy to share my code with you and even modify it to produce an "open software" product, which was my intent once I got things the way I wanted them.? That's why I ended up using universal graphic icons instead of text for most of the display options and functionality.? Frankly, I've been away from it long enough that I need to get back into the code and figure out what I did. Jon From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass Jon,thanks. What I am not sure about is the graphics sideof things. I like what you have done, which is similar to the graphics displayon commercial submersibles, & I want to display all my sensors in a similar way.?I would also like to display video image (periscope) on the same screen.I am envisaging that there are graphics packages that make this job a biteasier. I have seen marine instrument display programs, but a submarine being so?unique will require taylor made graphics.?I have learnt photoshop & done a bit of animation so are not too daunted bywhat I may be getting in to & would probably enjoy creating some high definition(cool) displays.So am probably looking for some sort of program that focuses on marine,automobile or manufacturing instrument display & has basics like bar graphsetc but can be tailored to cover instruments on a submarine. Hopefullysomething that takes a lot of programming out of the equation.Cheers Alan? On 15/11/2018, at 8:21 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, You will need an arduino board, a bread board, and some wiring.? Check out sparkfun or adafruit for development kits. When you have all the hardware, you will need to download the development application, load the code, then upload it to the arduino. The easiest and quickest way to display the output is on the "console" that comes with the development application.? In actual use, an LCD display of some type is probably easiest.? Check out?https://www.adafruit.com/?q=lcd?as an example. Jon From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass My tilt compensated compass arrived.Tiny little thing ( see photo ). Cost US 29:90, Bought from a?British firm "robot electronics", but came direct from China!Now the fun starts, as I need to process the signal on an Arduinoor Raspberry pi & do an online course ( on what I am not sure)to be able to display it as a graphic on a screen.Alan _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 12:48:43 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:48:43 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass In-Reply-To: <333477923.1066118.1542283612699@mail.yahoo.com> References: <579308381.19654.1540860176767@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <175955786.18724473.1540861814615@mail.yahoo.com> <1743910480.20115076.1540946161327@mail.yahoo.com> <2D6E121D-7C04-481B-A94C-D3C77371829F@yahoo.com> <2142179184.20458472.1540998039458@mail.yahoo.com> <4C9ECC62-60F1-4148-B1B1-97D1B3025EBA@yahoo.com> <793381719.658325.1542223273142@mail.yahoo.com> <77FDA753-522D-461A-9E71-1959828F4C12@yahoo.com> <1354362862.855163.1542239164665@mail.yahoo.com> <394A305A-1B6E-48A0-BA66-D833DFBAF651@yahoo.com> <333477923.1066118.1542283612699@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D9180BE-15A4-490B-AF3F-6F0C0C840F92@yahoo.com> Thanks Jon, that looks great, I nearly pressed the "buy now" button but thought that by the time I finish a raspberry pi course it could be old technology. I looked at Cranksoftware Storyboard Suite. Which is a fantastic product that enables you to import graphics from photoshop. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E0LO0FtbXvs Couldn't find the price anywhere, so emailed them. $7,500-. Alright if I was 30 & wanted to do this as a career. Alan > On 16/11/2018, at 1:06 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > That display is way too expensive. All you need is the display designed specifically for the Raspberry PI which retails between $65-75(US). > > Official Raspberry Pi 7" Touch Screen Display with 10 Finger Capacitive Touch > > > $ 64.95 > Official Raspberry Pi 7" Touch Screen Display with 10 Finger Capacitiv... > American Raspberry Pi Shop. One stop shop for all your Pi needs. Raspberry Pi add-ons, HATs, accessories, Starte... > > > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass > > Thanks Jon, > I am getting the picture. > I can blink an LED on an arduino lol. > I am going to need a multy layered screen unfortunately. I have additional > features like motor & motor driver temperature, rpm & Watts on 7 thrusters > & some other unique displays. > I have seen some marine gauge software that is customisable but haven't > looked in detail. > This screen comes with free $500- Vdash software.... > http://www.digitalmarinegauges.com/products/touch-screen-display-units.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_softy.tpl&product_id=68&category_id=16 > Thanks for the offer to copy your system. There are a few of us that would > benefit from that. In future that would be a great way to go for any build, as > there is a lot of expense to be saved by buying the individual sensors, > putting them through the one processor & displaying on the one screen, rather > than buying a multitude of expensive units that take up more space. > I am interested in any further progress. > Cheers Alan > > > > > > >> On 15/11/2018, at 12:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> My advice then, if you are patient enough, is to mimic my graphics hardware and start with my software package modifying as necessary. I don't think you are going to find a display for the Arduino that is fancy enough for what you want to do. You need to jump up to the Raspberry PI if you want serious graphics capability. With the PI there are numerous options available including a capacitive touch screen display and remote access from your phone, tablet, or computer via VNC. >> >> Unfortunately due to the unique nature of our vessels, programming is going to be required. The graphics package I use is called "Processing" but you could also use "Python". I've been a software programmer for 35 years so I found the learning curve for "Processing" pretty easy, but I will say that the program which reads my data and displays the graphics is quite intense. It's much simpler if you can fit everything you want onto one screen, but gets very complicated when you start dividing things up into different screens. Nothing is free. :) >> >> I'm happy to share my code with you and even modify it to produce an "open software" product, which was my intent once I got things the way I wanted them. That's why I ended up using universal graphic icons instead of text for most of the display options and functionality. Frankly, I've been away from it long enough that I need to get back into the code and figure out what I did. >> >> Jon >> >> >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >> >> Jon, >> thanks. What I am not sure about is the graphics side >> of things. I like what you have done, which is similar to the graphics display >> on commercial submersibles, & I want to display all my sensors in a similar way. >> I would also like to display video image (periscope) on the same screen. >> I am envisaging that there are graphics packages that make this job a bit >> easier. I have seen marine instrument display programs, but a submarine being so >> unique will require taylor made graphics. >> I have learnt photoshop & done a bit of animation so are not too daunted by >> what I may be getting in to & would probably enjoy creating some high definition >> (cool) displays. >> So am probably looking for some sort of program that focuses on marine, >> automobile or manufacturing instrument display & has basics like bar graphs >> etc but can be tailored to cover instruments on a submarine. Hopefully >> something that takes a lot of programming out of the equation. >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> >>> On 15/11/2018, at 8:21 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Alan, >>> >>> You will need an arduino board, a bread board, and some wiring. Check out sparkfun or adafruit for development kits. >>> >>> When you have all the hardware, you will need to download the development application, load the code, then upload it to the arduino. >>> >>> The easiest and quickest way to display the output is on the "console" that comes with the development application. In actual use, an LCD display of some type is probably easiest. Check out https://www.adafruit.com/?q=lcd as an example. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >>> >>> My tilt compensated compass arrived. >>> Tiny little thing ( see photo ). Cost US 29:90, Bought from a >>> British firm "robot electronics", but came direct from China! >>> Now the fun starts, as I need to process the signal on an Arduino >>> or Raspberry pi & do an online course ( on what I am not sure) >>> to be able to display it as a graphic on a screen. >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 17:02:44 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:02:44 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Message-ID: Hi Guys, Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not folded yet. Maybe next week. [image: 20181113_180826.jpg] Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20181113_180826.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1314290 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 17:18:13 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:18:13 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C4D060D-EFEC-4DD9-A7E6-B80A8F32B3AD@yahoo.com> Looking great David, what's the big hole down the bottom for? Sticking your legs out? Alan > On 16/11/2018, at 11:02 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Guys, > Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not folded yet. Maybe next week. > > <20181113_180826.jpg> > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 17:28:32 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:28:32 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass In-Reply-To: <0D9180BE-15A4-490B-AF3F-6F0C0C840F92@yahoo.com> References: <579308381.19654.1540860176767@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <175955786.18724473.1540861814615@mail.yahoo.com> <1743910480.20115076.1540946161327@mail.yahoo.com> <2D6E121D-7C04-481B-A94C-D3C77371829F@yahoo.com> <2142179184.20458472.1540998039458@mail.yahoo.com> <4C9ECC62-60F1-4148-B1B1-97D1B3025EBA@yahoo.com> <793381719.658325.1542223273142@mail.yahoo.com> <77FDA753-522D-461A-9E71-1959828F4C12@yahoo.com> <1354362862.855163.1542239164665@mail.yahoo.com> <394A305A-1B6E-48A0-BA66-D833DFBAF651@yahoo.com> <333477923.1066118.1542283612699@mail.yahoo.com> <0D9180BE-15A4-490B-AF3F-6F0C0C840F92@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jon, all, had another email from Cranksoftware in Canada. They told me the 3 months free trial on their graphic design UI program "storyboard" https://www.cranksoftware.com/storyboard-suite could be extended, but that I could accomplish what I wanted in that time. At the moment I am intending to learn about the raspberry pi & storyboard suite, get all my sensors then design my user interface before committing to anything. Thanks for a bit of direction there Jon. Alan > On 16/11/2018, at 6:48 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks Jon, > that looks great, I nearly pressed the "buy now" button but thought > that by the time I finish a raspberry pi course it could be old technology. > I looked at Cranksoftware Storyboard Suite. Which is a fantastic product > that enables you to import graphics from photoshop. > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E0LO0FtbXvs > Couldn't find the price anywhere, so emailed them. $7,500-. > Alright if I was 30 & wanted to do this as a career. > Alan > >> On 16/11/2018, at 1:06 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> That display is way too expensive. All you need is the display designed specifically for the Raspberry PI which retails between $65-75(US). >> >> Official Raspberry Pi 7" Touch Screen Display with 10 Finger Capacitive Touch >> >> >> $ 64.95 >> Official Raspberry Pi 7" Touch Screen Display with 10 Finger Capacitiv... >> American Raspberry Pi Shop. One stop shop for all your Pi needs. Raspberry Pi add-ons, HATs, accessories, Starte... >> >> >> >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >> >> Thanks Jon, >> I am getting the picture. >> I can blink an LED on an arduino lol. >> I am going to need a multy layered screen unfortunately. I have additional >> features like motor & motor driver temperature, rpm & Watts on 7 thrusters >> & some other unique displays. >> I have seen some marine gauge software that is customisable but haven't >> looked in detail. >> This screen comes with free $500- Vdash software.... >> http://www.digitalmarinegauges.com/products/touch-screen-display-units.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_softy.tpl&product_id=68&category_id=16 >> Thanks for the offer to copy your system. There are a few of us that would >> benefit from that. In future that would be a great way to go for any build, as >> there is a lot of expense to be saved by buying the individual sensors, >> putting them through the one processor & displaying on the one screen, rather >> than buying a multitude of expensive units that take up more space. >> I am interested in any further progress. >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 15/11/2018, at 12:46 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> My advice then, if you are patient enough, is to mimic my graphics hardware and start with my software package modifying as necessary. I don't think you are going to find a display for the Arduino that is fancy enough for what you want to do. You need to jump up to the Raspberry PI if you want serious graphics capability. With the PI there are numerous options available including a capacitive touch screen display and remote access from your phone, tablet, or computer via VNC. >>> >>> Unfortunately due to the unique nature of our vessels, programming is going to be required. The graphics package I use is called "Processing" but you could also use "Python". I've been a software programmer for 35 years so I found the learning curve for "Processing" pretty easy, but I will say that the program which reads my data and displays the graphics is quite intense. It's much simpler if you can fit everything you want onto one screen, but gets very complicated when you start dividing things up into different screens. Nothing is free. :) >>> >>> I'm happy to share my code with you and even modify it to produce an "open software" product, which was my intent once I got things the way I wanted them. That's why I ended up using universal graphic icons instead of text for most of the display options and functionality. Frankly, I've been away from it long enough that I need to get back into the code and figure out what I did. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >>> >>> Jon, >>> thanks. What I am not sure about is the graphics side >>> of things. I like what you have done, which is similar to the graphics display >>> on commercial submersibles, & I want to display all my sensors in a similar way. >>> I would also like to display video image (periscope) on the same screen. >>> I am envisaging that there are graphics packages that make this job a bit >>> easier. I have seen marine instrument display programs, but a submarine being so >>> unique will require taylor made graphics. >>> I have learnt photoshop & done a bit of animation so are not too daunted by >>> what I may be getting in to & would probably enjoy creating some high definition >>> (cool) displays. >>> So am probably looking for some sort of program that focuses on marine, >>> automobile or manufacturing instrument display & has basics like bar graphs >>> etc but can be tailored to cover instruments on a submarine. Hopefully >>> something that takes a lot of programming out of the equation. >>> Cheers Alan >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 15/11/2018, at 8:21 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> Alan, >>>> >>>> You will need an arduino board, a bread board, and some wiring. Check out sparkfun or adafruit for development kits. >>>> >>>> When you have all the hardware, you will need to download the development application, load the code, then upload it to the arduino. >>>> >>>> The easiest and quickest way to display the output is on the "console" that comes with the development application. In actual use, an LCD display of some type is probably easiest. Check out https://www.adafruit.com/?q=lcd as an example. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compass >>>> >>>> My tilt compensated compass arrived. >>>> Tiny little thing ( see photo ). Cost US 29:90, Bought from a >>>> British firm "robot electronics", but came direct from China! >>>> Now the fun starts, as I need to process the signal on an Arduino >>>> or Raspberry pi & do an online course ( on what I am not sure) >>>> to be able to display it as a graphic on a screen. >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sticking your legs out? > Alan > > On 16/11/2018, at 11:02 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is > getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the > forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not > folded yet. Maybe next week. > > <20181113_180826.jpg> > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 18:17:26 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:17:26 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update In-Reply-To: References: <6C4D060D-EFEC-4DD9-A7E6-B80A8F32B3AD@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Looking good David. It?s a nice feeling making progress! Rick On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 6:09 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Alan, it's one of 5 thru hull penatration locations. (3) 6 inch, (3) 4 > inch. Total of (28) potential connection points for electrical etc. (8) > Additional 1.5 inch for air, ballast, thruster compensation, etc. No leg > holes. > David > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:19 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Looking great David, >> what's the big hole down the bottom for? Sticking your legs out? >> Alan >> >> On 16/11/2018, at 11:02 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Hi Guys, >> Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is >> getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the >> forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not >> folded yet. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 18:20:07 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:20:07 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update In-Reply-To: References: <6C4D060D-EFEC-4DD9-A7E6-B80A8F32B3AD@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91F64E79-B87C-4348-8244-A4969BA217EA@yahoo.com> Thanks David, looks like a lot of design work has gone in there. Alan > On 16/11/2018, at 12:08 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Alan, it's one of 5 thru hull penatration locations. (3) 6 inch, (3) 4 inch. Total of (28) potential connection points for electrical etc. (8) Additional 1.5 inch for air, ballast, thruster compensation, etc. No leg holes. > David > >> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:19 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Looking great David, >> what's the big hole down the bottom for? Sticking your legs out? >> Alan >> >>> On 16/11/2018, at 11:02 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not folded yet. Maybe next week. >>> >>> <20181113_180826.jpg> >>> Best Regards, >>> David Colombo >>> >>> 804 College Ave >>> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >>> (707) 536-1424 >>> www.SeaQuestor.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:03 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Hi Guys, Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not folded yet. Maybe next week. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5049 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 594 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 22:30:58 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:30:58 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update In-Reply-To: NPyMgyDZ1DhAwNPyNgLLqt References: NPyMgyDZ1DhAwNPyNgLLqt Message-ID: <001201d47d5c$cb2e2810$618a7830$@telus.net> Alan, My guess was the hole was for a P-valve. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:18 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Looking great David, what's the big hole down the bottom for? Sticking your legs out? Alan On 16/11/2018, at 11:02 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Guys, Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not folded yet. Maybe next week. <20181113_180826.jpg> Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 594 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 22:49:24 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 16:49:24 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update In-Reply-To: <001201d47d5c$cb2e2810$618a7830$@telus.net> References: <001201d47d5c$cb2e2810$618a7830$@telus.net> Message-ID: Tim, I was envisaging legs sticking out & a Flintstones style beach launch! Alan > On 16/11/2018, at 4:30 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > My guess was the hole was for a P-valve. > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:18 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update > > Looking great David, > what's the big hole down the bottom for? Sticking your legs out? > Alan > > On 16/11/2018, at 11:02 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Guys, > Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not folded yet. Maybe next week. > > <20181113_180826.jpg> > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 23:27:40 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:27:40 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update In-Reply-To: NV9wgWe626DhgNV9ygpEj9 References: <001201d47d5c$cb2e2810$618a7830$@telus.net> NV9wgWe626DhgNV9ygpEj9 Message-ID: <002401d47d64$b70b7510$25225f30$@telus.net> Beach launch, certainly, but also for the crew to provide backup propulsion with their scuba fins? I like David's actual reason better. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 7:49 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Tim, I was envisaging legs sticking out & a Flintstones style beach launch! Alan On 16/11/2018, at 4:30 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alan, My guess was the hole was for a P-valve. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:18 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Looking great David, what's the big hole down the bottom for? Sticking your legs out? Alan On 16/11/2018, at 11:02 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Guys, Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not folded yet. Maybe next week. <20181113_180826.jpg> Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 15 23:31:00 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:31:00 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update References: <001201d47d5c$cb2e2810$618a7830$@telus.net> NV9wgWe626DhgNV9ygpEj9 Message-ID: <002e01d47d65$2df31020$89d93060$@telus.net> Of course I only think of such a manual propulsion method because it would work with my own sub. I just need to sit backwards, facing aft, and kick with my fins through the back door. From: T Novak [mailto:tim_novak at telus.net] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:28 PM To: 'Personal Submersibles General Discussion' Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Beach launch, certainly, but also for the crew to provide backup propulsion with their scuba fins? I like David's actual reason better. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 7:49 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Tim, I was envisaging legs sticking out & a Flintstones style beach launch! Alan On 16/11/2018, at 4:30 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Alan, My guess was the hole was for a P-valve. From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:18 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Looking great David, what's the big hole down the bottom for? Sticking your legs out? Alan On 16/11/2018, at 11:02 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Guys, Well its been a slow week and a few tweeks here and there But the hull is getting closer. The bottom foot rail system has been set in place and the forward camera mount and rear thruster rack was cut on the laser but not folded yet. Maybe next week. <20181113_180826.jpg> Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The hoses will harden up with WD-40 and loose their flexibility.Hank On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 6:20:06 PM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Mineral oil ?? ?for motors or electronics?? LEDs ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi All,I need to buy some compensating oil and WD-40 will not work in this case. ?I think it was Alec that mentioned Marvel Mystery oil? ?It seems there is more than one kind of Marvel Mystery oil. ?Is it the MM14R that I need to buy. ?I hope so, it is cheap.Hank_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Nov 18 05:09:24 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 23:09:24 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil In-Reply-To: <1775673584.2323342.1542534174676@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20181117171952.1006ABED@m0117567.ppops.net> <1775673584.2323342.1542534174676@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, you may not do any better with the miracle oil. I spent a lot of time looking for alternatives to WD40 for a low viscosity compensating oil. Talked with 3 different chemists. One specialising in importing exotic oils. The low aromatic oils they advised still had a detrimental effect on insulation etc in my thrusters. I went with silicone in the end as did Emile. Have two 20 litre containers of expensive oil sitting in storage. Cheers Alan > On 18/11/2018, at 10:42 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Brian, > I need the oil for my electric arm motors. Normally I would use WD-40, but the arm uses HP nylon hoses connected a suspension air bag. The hoses will harden up with WD-40 and loose their flexibility. > Hank > > On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 6:20:06 PM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Mineral oil ? for motors or electronics? LEDs ? > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC) > > Hi All, > I need to buy some compensating oil and WD-40 will not work in this case. I think it was Alec that mentioned Marvel Mystery oil? It seems there is more than one kind of Marvel Mystery oil. Is it the MM14R that I need to buy. I hope so, it is cheap. > Hank > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I went with silicone in the end as did Emile. Have two 20litre containers of expensive oil sitting in storage.Cheers Alan On 18/11/2018, at 10:42 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian,I need the oil for my electric arm motors. ?Normally I would use WD-40, but the arm uses HP nylon hoses connected a suspension air bag. The hoses will harden up with WD-40 and loose their flexibility.Hank On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 6:20:06 PM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Mineral oil ?? ?for motors or electronics?? LEDs ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi All,I need to buy some compensating oil and WD-40 will not work in this case. ?I think it was Alec that mentioned Marvel Mystery oil? ?It seems there is more than one kind of Marvel Mystery oil. ?Is it the MM14R that I need to buy. ?I hope so, it is cheap.Hank_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Nov 18 11:35:39 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 08:35:39 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil In-Reply-To: ONPCgmZ1D6DhgONPFg2USZ References: <20181117171952.1006ABED@m0117567.ppops.net> <1775673584.2323342.1542534174676@mail.yahoo.com> ONPCgmZ1D6DhgONPFg2USZ Message-ID: <001f01d47f5c$be56def0$3b049cd0$@telus.net> Alan, Do you recall what oil Nuytco is using in their clear tubes? Whatever it was it was clear and obviously it worked. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:46 AM To: Alan via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil Alan, I have not had ann bad effects from WD40 except a clear hose went solid. If the mystery oil does not do thatI am happy. I will do a test. Hank On Sunday, November 18, 2018, 3:10:04 AM MST, Alan via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hank, you may not do any better with the miracle oil. I spent a lot of time looking for alternatives to WD40 for a low viscosity compensating oil. Talked with 3 different chemists. One specialising in importing exotic oils. The low aromatic oils they advised still had a detrimental effect on insulation etc in my thrusters. I went with silicone in the end as did Emile. Have two 20 litre containers of expensive oil sitting in storage. Cheers Alan On 18/11/2018, at 10:42 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Brian, I need the oil for my electric arm motors. Normally I would use WD-40, but the arm uses HP nylon hoses connected a suspension air bag. The hoses will harden up with WD-40 and loose their flexibility. Hank On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 6:20:06 PM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Mineral oil ? for motors or electronics? LEDs ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, I need to buy some compensating oil and WD-40 will not work in this case. I think it was Alec that mentioned Marvel Mystery oil? It seems there is more than one kind of Marvel Mystery oil. Is it the MM14R that I need to buy. I hope so, it is cheap. 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I will do a test. > Hank > > On Sunday, November 18, 2018, 3:10:04 AM MST, Alan via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hank, > you may not do any better with the miracle oil. > I spent a lot of time looking for alternatives to WD40 for a low > viscosity > compensating oil. Talked with 3 different chemists. One specialising in > importing exotic oils. > The low aromatic oils they advised still had a detrimental effect on > insulation etc > in my thrusters. I went with silicone in the end as did Emile. Have two 20 > litre containers of expensive oil sitting in storage. > Cheers Alan > > On 18/11/2018, at 10:42 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Brian, > I need the oil for my electric arm motors. Normally I would use WD-40, > but the arm uses HP nylon hoses connected a suspension air bag. The hoses > will harden up with WD-40 and loose their flexibility. > Hank > > On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 6:20:06 PM MST, Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Mineral oil ? for motors or electronics? LEDs ? > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC) > > Hi All, > I need to buy some compensating oil and WD-40 will not work in this case. > I think it was Alec that mentioned Marvel Mystery oil? It seems there is > more than one kind of Marvel Mystery oil. Is it the MM14R that I need to > buy. 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Den s?n. 18. nov. 2018, 14:47 skrev hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,you may not do any better with the miracle oil.I ?spent a lot of time looking for alternatives to WD40 for a low viscosity?compensating oil. Talked with 3 different chemists. One specialising in?importing exotic oils.The low aromatic oils they advised still had a detrimental effect on insulation etcin my thrusters. I went with silicone in the end as did Emile. Have two 20litre containers of expensive oil sitting in storage.Cheers Alan On 18/11/2018, at 10:42 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian,I need the oil for my electric arm motors.? Normally I would use WD-40, but the arm uses HP nylon hoses connected a suspension air bag. The hoses will harden up with WD-40 and loose their flexibility.Hank On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 6:20:06 PM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Mineral oil ?? ?for motors or electronics?? LEDs ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi All,I need to buy some compensating oil and WD-40 will not work in this case.? I think it was Alec that mentioned Marvel Mystery oil?? It seems there is more than one kind of Marvel Mystery oil.? Is it the MM14R that I need to buy.? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Nov 18 13:58:27 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 07:58:27 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil In-Reply-To: <861981842.2357297.1542548764536@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20181117171952.1006ABED@m0117567.ppops.net> <1775673584.2323342.1542534174676@mail.yahoo.com> <861981842.2357297.1542548764536@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6F263F17-E93F-4882-94BD-23A2DB00C9BE@yahoo.com> Hank, Tim, no not sure what Nuytco used. Would be interesting to find out what commercial thrusters are recommending for compensation. Initially I did tests soaking various plastics in WD40 & some other product that I can't remember. Some of the plastics were going soft in a matter of minutes. Others took a lot longer. In my last motor experiment, the protective sheathing around the wires where they left the motor had gone soft & tore easily. I think this may have been a heat shrink tubing that is commonly used. I was using one of the oils that the industrial chemist had advised. The heat from the motor possibly doesn't help, & you wouldn't get that with an arm. I was suspicious that it had dissolved a glue that held my hall sensor board in place, but this could have been heat. BTW all the magnets are held in place with glue. The motor windings have a very thin plastic insulation. And you won't know what materials are used inside the motor. A lot of people were using WD40 successfully, but some found problems with it. Cheers Alan > On 19/11/2018, at 2:46 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > I have not had ann bad effects from WD40 except a clear hose went solid. If the mystery oil does not do thatI am happy. I will do a test. > Hank > > On Sunday, November 18, 2018, 3:10:04 AM MST, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hank, > you may not do any better with the miracle oil. > I spent a lot of time looking for alternatives to WD40 for a low viscosity > compensating oil. Talked with 3 different chemists. One specialising in > importing exotic oils. > The low aromatic oils they advised still had a detrimental effect on insulation etc > in my thrusters. I went with silicone in the end as did Emile. Have two 20 > litre containers of expensive oil sitting in storage. > Cheers Alan > >> On 18/11/2018, at 10:42 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Brian, >> I need the oil for my electric arm motors. Normally I would use WD-40, but the arm uses HP nylon hoses connected a suspension air bag. The hoses will harden up with WD-40 and loose their flexibility. >> Hank >> >> On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 6:20:06 PM MST, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Mineral oil ? for motors or electronics? LEDs ? >> >> >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] compensating oil >> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC) >> >> Hi All, >> I need to buy some compensating oil and WD-40 will not work in this case. I think it was Alec that mentioned Marvel Mystery oil? It seems there is more than one kind of Marvel Mystery oil. Is it the MM14R that I need to buy. I hope so, it is cheap. >> Hank >> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Nov 26 19:48:56 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:48:56 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sub for sale In-Reply-To: <014d01d4857b$866589e0$93309da0$@airesearch.nl> References: <014d01d4857b$866589e0$93309da0$@airesearch.nl> Message-ID: Thanks Emile, I put that through a translator & although a bit garbled it gives a bit of insight. Built by Marlin Submarines in Plymouth. Translation...... Submarine U-boat, 3 man, maximum diving type 60 meters, bid Price 450 000, - Price on loan Price on insurance The boat is in Norway. ConditionBridgeTypeAndreMoreAndreModelUbotOrder2010Length in foot22 footDybde60 cmMotor IncludingJaMotor manufacturerElectricalMotortypeInterboardMotorstr.10 hkMax speed6 knobFuelAnnetMaterialEnterpriseFrontOrderSite3 Check the small boat register Description The U-boat is new and has not been used. It is manufactured at MSubs, http://www.msubs.com/, in Plymouth, UK. The submarine has been stored inside and is delivered as a construction kit. Steel hull and outer glass fiber hulls are assembled. Parts are included in order to complete submarine. (reservation for manko on some parts) New value of the corresponding submarine is approx. 5 million. The submarine is sold by Sperre Submarine AS. The reason for the sale is that it will require 1-2 man-years for completion and we unfortunately have no available capacity for this. Submarines are sold as it stands, with part lists and some technical building descriptions. > On 27/11/2018, at 12:31 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > All, > > Nice project for sale in Norway. I have no time and no funding?And have already a sub.. > https://www.finn.no/boat/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=132807213 > > Professional quality build but not complete and needs 1-2 years to finish. > I have heard that offers > ?25.000 are welcome. > > Met vriendelijke groet/ with best regards, Emile van Essen > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Nov 26 21:34:20 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:34:20 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shop move Message-ID: <20181126183420.1006CACA@m0117565.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Nov 27 03:14:49 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:14:49 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shop move In-Reply-To: <20181126183420.1006CACA@m0117565.ppops.net> References: <20181126183420.1006CACA@m0117565.ppops.net> Message-ID: <27036C3B-CA7C-424B-B4F5-F9944EFC5DCD@yahoo.com> Hi Brian, there aren't many sub mad men in NZ. You can count them on one hand. So are you aiming to go under the water completely on your next test? Alan > On 27/11/2018, at 3:34 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi All, > I finally moved everything out of my shop except for the shell I was working on when I started my whole downsizing project! Can't wait to get the sub back in the water, I'll probably bite the bullet and do a dunk test at the boatyard with the travel hoist. Going to move some weight forward so I can get that nose down a bit more. Also, seriously thinking about rigging a 25hp propane outboard the the rear of the sphere so I can get some decent surface speed. Still need to deal with some of my electronics however. > > Also , been talking to New Zealand early in the morning on 40 meters, would really like to talk subs but so far haven't reached any sub mad men yet ;-) > > Brian > > KK6 IRC > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Nov 27 05:50:40 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:50:40 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sub for sale In-Reply-To: References: <014d01d4857b$866589e0$93309da0$@airesearch.nl> Message-ID: hello I recognized Paul's 'Fruitcake' project. Single ballast enclosure all around the pressure hull, and a big bubble to give nice views to 3 people. It quite a job for them to make the large conning tower opening into the main hull with proper resistance. too bad it was never finished... regards Antoine On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:50 AM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Emile, > I put that through a translator & although a bit garbled it gives a bit of > insight. > Built by Marlin Submarines in Plymouth. > Translation...... > Submarine > U-boat, 3 man, maximum diving type 60 meters, bid > Price > 450 000, - > Price on loan Price on insurance > The boat is in Norway. > ConditionBridgeTypeAndreMoreAndreModelUbotOrder2010Length in foot22 > footDybde60 cmMotor IncludingJaMotor > manufacturerElectricalMotortypeInterboardMotorstr.10 hkMax speed6 > knobFuelAnnetMaterialEnterpriseFrontOrderSite3 > Check the small boat register > Description > The U-boat is new and has not been used. It is manufactured at MSubs, > http://www.msubs.com/, in Plymouth, UK. The submarine has been stored > inside and is delivered as a construction kit. Steel hull and outer glass > fiber hulls are assembled. Parts are included in order to complete > submarine. (reservation for manko on some parts) New value of the > corresponding submarine is approx. 5 million. The submarine is sold by > Sperre Submarine AS. The reason for the sale is that it will require 1-2 > man-years for completion and we unfortunately have no available capacity > for this. > Submarines are sold as it stands, with part lists and some technical > building descriptions. > > On 27/11/2018, at 12:31 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > All, > > > > Nice project for sale in Norway. I have no time and no funding?And have > already a sub.. > > https://www.finn.no/boat/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=132807213 > > > > Professional quality build but not complete and needs 1-2 years to finish. > > I have heard that offers > ?25.000 are welcome. > > > > Met vriendelijke groet/ with best regards, Emile van Essen > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would take scales & pen & paper to take note of where you put the weight & how much as you'll need to take it off again for transit. You will have a lot harder job than I had! Alan > On 28/11/2018, at 4:39 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, Well there's you ! get your self an SDR ( software defined radio) and then you could at least hear me ! Yes, got to go under to see where I'm at with everything. Been reluctant just because I don't want to spend the money ;-) > > Brian > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shop move > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:14:49 +1300 > > Hi Brian, > there aren't many sub mad men in NZ. > You can count them on one hand. > So are you aiming to go under the water completely on your next test? > Alan > > On 27/11/2018, at 3:34 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi All, > I finally moved everything out of my shop except for the shell I was working on when I started my whole downsizing project! Can't wait to get the sub back in the water, I'll probably bite the bullet and do a dunk test at the boatyard with the travel hoist. Going to move some weight forward so I can get that nose down a bit more. Also, seriously thinking about rigging a 25hp propane outboard the the rear of the sphere so I can get some decent surface speed. Still need to deal with some of my electronics however. > > Also , been talking to New Zealand early in the morning on 40 meters, would really like to talk subs but so far haven't reached any sub mad men yet ;-) > > Brian > > KK6 IRC > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Nov 27 15:32:48 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:32:48 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shop move In-Reply-To: <20181127073911.10011FB4@m0117460.ppops.net> References: <20181127073911.10011FB4@m0117460.ppops.net> Message-ID: <33FC0BC6-7273-4CD9-8A66-F47B79696EA1@yahoo.com> Brian, the thought came to mind that if you have a flood valve you may be able to attach a hose to it on the inside of your hull & fill plastic containers to get the buoyancy exactly right. In The metric system a 20 litre container holds 20kg of water, so easy to work out. It may be a bit more difficult removing the water! Just a word of caution that if you are having stability issues & tilted significantly, the water containers could move if not tethered & exacerbate the problem. Alan > On 28/11/2018, at 4:39 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, Well there's you ! get your self an SDR ( software defined radio) and then you could at least hear me ! Yes, got to go under to see where I'm at with everything. Been reluctant just because I don't want to spend the money ;-) > > Brian > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shop move > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:14:49 +1300 > > Hi Brian, > there aren't many sub mad men in NZ. > You can count them on one hand. > So are you aiming to go under the water completely on your next test? > Alan > > On 27/11/2018, at 3:34 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi All, > I finally moved everything out of my shop except for the shell I was working on when I started my whole downsizing project! Can't wait to get the sub back in the water, I'll probably bite the bullet and do a dunk test at the boatyard with the travel hoist. Going to move some weight forward so I can get that nose down a bit more. Also, seriously thinking about rigging a 25hp propane outboard the the rear of the sphere so I can get some decent surface speed. Still need to deal with some of my electronics however. > > Also , been talking to New Zealand early in the morning on 40 meters, would really like to talk subs but so far haven't reached any sub mad men yet ;-) > > Brian > > KK6 IRC > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Nov 27 21:01:46 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:01:46 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shop move Message-ID: <20181127180146.57FE0B4C@m0117567.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Nov 27 23:18:37 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:18:37 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shop move In-Reply-To: <20181127180146.57FE0B4C@m0117567.ppops.net> References: <20181127180146.57FE0B4C@m0117567.ppops.net> Message-ID: <65A403FD-27AD-4343-903B-ED36960D174C@yahoo.com> Brian, all the best for the next test. Hope you get under. Alan > On 28/11/2018, at 3:01 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > > I have equivalent of about 60lbs of internal water ballast, the only thing is I'm not too confident that the pump I have would be able to expel the water deeper than 40 ft, ( I have two pvc tubes that are 5" in diameter by 48" long that are mounted vertically in the sphere which can be filled with water.). But that may not be an issue since it will just be used to trim the boat, I can vary my front ballast tank also , except it is a soft tank, I have a bunch of syntactic foam in there, I'm hoping it will be all the flotation I need, but if not I can adjust. > > BTW, there is a serous learning curve on the whole gel coat deal, if anyone needs to know what not to do just ask me ! It's going to come out good , it's just taking a heck of a lot more work than it would have if I had not made a few screw ups. > > > Brian > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shop move > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:32:48 +1300 > > Brian, > the thought came to mind that if you have a flood valve you may be able > to attach a hose to it on the inside of your hull & fill plastic containers to > get the buoyancy exactly right. In The metric system a 20 litre container > holds 20kg of water, so easy to work out. It may be a bit more difficult > removing the water! Just a word of caution that if you are having stability > issues & tilted significantly, the water containers could move if not tethered > & exacerbate the problem. > Alan > > > On 28/11/2018, at 4:39 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, Well there's you ! get your self an SDR ( software defined radio) and then you could at least hear me ! Yes, got to go under to see where I'm at with everything. Been reluctant just because I don't want to spend the money ;-) > > Brian > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shop move > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:14:49 +1300 > > Hi Brian, > there aren't many sub mad men in NZ. > You can count them on one hand. > So are you aiming to go under the water completely on your next test? > Alan > > On 27/11/2018, at 3:34 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi All, > I finally moved everything out of my shop except for the shell I was working on when I started my whole downsizing project! Can't wait to get the sub back in the water, I'll probably bite the bullet and do a dunk test at the boatyard with the travel hoist. Going to move some weight forward so I can get that nose down a bit more. Also, seriously thinking about rigging a 25hp propane outboard the the rear of the sphere so I can get some decent surface speed. Still need to deal with some of my electronics however. > > Also , been talking to New Zealand early in the morning on 40 meters, would really like to talk subs but so far haven't reached any sub mad men yet ;-) > > Brian > > KK6 IRC > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan > On 29/11/2018, at 7:12 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Met with the fabricator today after I realized my tank rack frame that was cut on the laser was the wrong version of my drawings so my air tanks would not fit. Updated drawings issued and new parts might be recut tomorrow. Projected delivery date of the pressure hull is the 10th. So I need to make my trailer mods for pick up of the hull in the next week. Meanwhile, parts have been arriving due to black friday specials, scuba tanks, tank valves, air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first aid and emergency kit, and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console assembly. Lots of components assemble. > David > <2018-11-28-22-04-20.jpg> > <2018-11-28-22-06-58.jpg> > <2018-11-28-22-06-01.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 29 03:26:54 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 00:26:54 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor update In-Reply-To: <98582D58-092D-4EBB-A242-30CCB1AE5EFA@yahoo.com> References: <98582D58-092D-4EBB-A242-30CCB1AE5EFA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alan, it sure seems like christmas when I start going thru all my boxes of components gathered over the last 5 years. I spent many evenings with calapers in hand measuring every part and then drawing the component in cad. The true test was the parts fitting into the completed water jet stainless steel console segments. Now begins the wire harness. Could be a long winter of soldering and shrink wrapping as long as the wife let's me keep the dining room table as my work area. ( I made sure to wrap the end of the table tonight with heavy construction paper before I began.) David On Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 11:28 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Wow looks like Christmas has come early! > You've certainly put the hours in on the cad by the look of the instrument > consul. > Alan > > > On 29/11/2018, at 7:12 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Met with the fabricator today after I realized my tank rack frame that > was cut on the laser was the wrong version of my drawings so my air tanks > would not fit. Updated drawings issued and new parts might be recut > tomorrow. Projected delivery date of the pressure hull is the 10th. So I > need to make my trailer mods for pick up of the hull in the next week. > Meanwhile, parts have been arriving due to black friday specials, scuba > tanks, tank valves, air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first > aid and emergency kit, and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console > assembly. Lots of components assemble. > > David > > <2018-11-28-22-04-20.jpg> > > <2018-11-28-22-06-58.jpg> > > <2018-11-28-22-06-01.jpg> > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 29 04:51:18 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 22:51:18 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor update In-Reply-To: References: <98582D58-092D-4EBB-A242-30CCB1AE5EFA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <11944FC0-109E-4D21-8CD2-79FF209CF0F7@yahoo.com> David, my dinning room table has been permanently taken over for the last few years. Alan > On 29/11/2018, at 9:26 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks Alan, it sure seems like christmas when I start going thru all my boxes of components gathered over the last 5 years. I spent many evenings with calapers in hand measuring every part and then drawing the component in cad. The true test was the parts fitting into the completed water jet stainless steel console segments. Now begins the wire harness. Could be a long winter of soldering and shrink wrapping as long as the wife let's me keep the dining room table as my work area. ( I made sure to wrap the end of the table tonight with heavy construction paper before I began.) > > David > >> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 11:28 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Wow looks like Christmas has come early! >> You've certainly put the hours in on the cad by the look of the instrument consul. >> Alan >> >> > On 29/11/2018, at 7:12 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> > >> > Met with the fabricator today after I realized my tank rack frame that was cut on the laser was the wrong version of my drawings so my air tanks would not fit. Updated drawings issued and new parts might be recut tomorrow. Projected delivery date of the pressure hull is the 10th. So I need to make my trailer mods for pick up of the hull in the next week. Meanwhile, parts have been arriving due to black friday specials, scuba tanks, tank valves, air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first aid and emergency kit, and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console assembly. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 29 04:55:03 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor update In-Reply-To: <98582D58-092D-4EBB-A242-30CCB1AE5EFA@yahoo.com> References: <98582D58-092D-4EBB-A242-30CCB1AE5EFA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1735818359.769192.1543485303248@mail.yahoo.com> David,?do you sing "Merry Christmas to me" ?very often ;-)Hank On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 1:03:02 AM MST, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Wow looks like Christmas has come early! You've certainly put the hours in on the cad by the look of the instrument consul. Alan > On 29/11/2018, at 7:12 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Met with the fabricator today after I realized my tank rack frame that was cut on the laser was the wrong version of my drawings so my air tanks would not fit. Updated drawings issued and new parts might be recut tomorrow. Projected delivery date of the pressure hull is the 10th. So I need to make my trailer mods for pick up of the hull in the next week. Meanwhile,? parts have been arriving due to black friday specials,? scuba tanks, tank valves, air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first aid and emergency kit, and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console assembly. Lots of components assemble. > David > <2018-11-28-22-04-20.jpg> > <2018-11-28-22-06-58.jpg> > <2018-11-28-22-06-01.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 29 09:29:31 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:29:31 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking good Dave! Before you wire the harness, make sure you do a dry fit of the panel in the hull. Looks like it is going to be a tight fit to get this into place. Is the panel directly in front of the pilot or to the port or starboard side? BTW, I got the OTS head set. Thanks. On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:14 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Met with the fabricator today after I realized my tank rack frame that was > cut on the laser was the wrong version of my drawings so my air tanks would > not fit. Updated drawings issued and new parts might be recut tomorrow. > Projected delivery date of the pressure hull is the 10th. So I need to make > my trailer mods for pick up of the hull in the next week. Meanwhile, parts > have been arriving due to black friday specials, scuba tanks, tank valves, > air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first aid and emergency kit, > and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console assembly. Lots of > components assemble. > David > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 29 10:09:03 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 07:09:03 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hank, Don't sub owners always sing Merry Christmas to me every time we get a new part? Cliff, thanks. The console was designed and has been sitting in the full scale model for at least a year. I have sat in it many a night visualizing operations. The console sits in front of the pilot. The main pilot position is in a 30 inch diameter sail. Lots of room. It even has arm rests, fighter pilot joy stick, throttle controls and a beverage cup holder. Gotta sit in luxury. David On Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 6:30 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Looking good Dave! Before you wire the harness, make sure you do a dry > fit of the panel in the hull. Looks like it is going to be a tight fit to > get this into place. Is the panel directly in front of the pilot or to the > port or starboard side? > > BTW, I got the OTS head set. Thanks. > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:14 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Met with the fabricator today after I realized my tank rack frame that >> was cut on the laser was the wrong version of my drawings so my air tanks >> would not fit. Updated drawings issued and new parts might be recut >> tomorrow. Projected delivery date of the pressure hull is the 10th. So I >> need to make my trailer mods for pick up of the hull in the next week. >> Meanwhile, parts have been arriving due to black friday specials, scuba >> tanks, tank valves, air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first >> aid and emergency kit, and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console >> assembly. Lots of components assemble. >> David >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 29 12:06:29 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:06:29 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25E02B04-8F0A-490D-B1F0-F56A06CF0F15@yahoo.ca> David. My wife asked me what I want for Christmas the other day. I said?. It?s okay, just look in the shop?. Hank Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 29, 2018, at 8:09 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hank, Don't sub owners always sing Merry Christmas to me every time we get a new part? > > Cliff, thanks. The console was designed and has been sitting in the full scale model for at least a year. I have sat in it many a night visualizing operations. The console sits in front of the pilot. The main pilot position is in a 30 inch diameter sail. Lots of room. It even has arm rests, fighter pilot joy stick, throttle controls and a beverage cup holder. Gotta sit in luxury. > > David > >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 6:30 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Looking good Dave! Before you wire the harness, make sure you do a dry fit of the panel in the hull. Looks like it is going to be a tight fit to get this into place. Is the panel directly in front of the pilot or to the port or starboard side? >> >> BTW, I got the OTS head set. Thanks. >> >>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:14 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Met with the fabricator today after I realized my tank rack frame that was cut on the laser was the wrong version of my drawings so my air tanks would not fit. Updated drawings issued and new parts might be recut tomorrow. Projected delivery date of the pressure hull is the 10th. So I need to make my trailer mods for pick up of the hull in the next week. Meanwhile, parts have been arriving due to black friday specials, scuba tanks, tank valves, air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first aid and emergency kit, and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console assembly. Lots of components assemble. >>> David >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 29 12:40:05 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:40:05 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds good. Are you going to use a PLC and HMI? Sent from my iPad > On Nov 29, 2018, at 9:09 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hank, Don't sub owners always sing Merry Christmas to me every time we get a new part? > > Cliff, thanks. The console was designed and has been sitting in the full scale model for at least a year. I have sat in it many a night visualizing operations. The console sits in front of the pilot. The main pilot position is in a 30 inch diameter sail. Lots of room. It even has arm rests, fighter pilot joy stick, throttle controls and a beverage cup holder. Gotta sit in luxury. > > David > >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 6:30 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Looking good Dave! Before you wire the harness, make sure you do a dry fit of the panel in the hull. Looks like it is going to be a tight fit to get this into place. Is the panel directly in front of the pilot or to the port or starboard side? >> >> BTW, I got the OTS head set. Thanks. >> >>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:14 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Met with the fabricator today after I realized my tank rack frame that was cut on the laser was the wrong version of my drawings so my air tanks would not fit. Updated drawings issued and new parts might be recut tomorrow. Projected delivery date of the pressure hull is the 10th. So I need to make my trailer mods for pick up of the hull in the next week. Meanwhile, parts have been arriving due to black friday specials, scuba tanks, tank valves, air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first aid and emergency kit, and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console assembly. Lots of components assemble. >>> David >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Nov 29 13:48:39 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:48:39 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will be using the same PLC with HMI as Cliff in the newer model, along with redundant Analog gauges on some systems. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:41 AM via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Sounds good. Are you going to use a PLC and HMI? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 29, 2018, at 9:09 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hank, Don't sub owners always sing Merry Christmas to me every time we > get a new part? > > Cliff, thanks. The console was designed and has been sitting in the full > scale model for at least a year. I have sat in it many a night visualizing > operations. The console sits in front of the pilot. The main pilot position > is in a 30 inch diameter sail. Lots of room. It even has arm rests, fighter > pilot joy stick, throttle controls and a beverage cup holder. Gotta sit in > luxury. > > David > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 6:30 AM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Looking good Dave! Before you wire the harness, make sure you do a dry >> fit of the panel in the hull. Looks like it is going to be a tight fit to >> get this into place. Is the panel directly in front of the pilot or to the >> port or starboard side? >> >> BTW, I got the OTS head set. Thanks. >> >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:14 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Met with the fabricator today after I realized my tank rack frame that >>> was cut on the laser was the wrong version of my drawings so my air tanks >>> would not fit. Updated drawings issued and new parts might be recut >>> tomorrow. Projected delivery date of the pressure hull is the 10th. So I >>> need to make my trailer mods for pick up of the hull in the next week. >>> Meanwhile, parts have been arriving due to black friday specials, scuba >>> tanks, tank valves, air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first >>> aid and emergency kit, and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console >>> assembly. 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Meanwhile, parts > have been arriving due to black friday specials, scuba tanks, tank valves, > air hoses, thrusters, pwm, radios, custom made first aid and emergency kit, > and tonight I'm back onto the main pilot's console assembly. Lots of > components assemble. > David From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 30 18:31:32 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:31:32 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shell, downsizing In-Reply-To: <39B2050B-6B49-470D-B9C7-9A1D754A81BE@yahoo.com> References: <20181029174110.AD0E89CE@m0117567.ppops.net> <39B2050B-6B49-470D-B9C7-9A1D754A81BE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Checked into buying 2 aluminum 80,s from the shop here on the Big Island and they will sell me the 02 cleaned tanks but won't fill them with 02 unless I have a tech divers certificate or some such thing. What have others done? Rick On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:14 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Brian, > congratulations on getting that mold done, glad it came out ok. > Know what you mean about accumulating stuff; I have spent the last few > days buying racking & clear plastic containers & organising my sub stuff. > I have been buying electronics that I already had. Great putting stuff in > clear plastic bins so I know what I've got! > Alan > > > On 30/10/2018, at 1:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi All, > I successfully made my mold for my shell /cover for my sub > , now I'm just fixing some imperfections that occurred when separating the > parts . I've been inquiring into a truck strong enough to haul my sub but > it turns out all the older trucks are now banned in Kalifornia, there are > trucks around but they are illegal to have on the road, really sucks. So I > guess in the long run I'm better off just hiring somebody to haul it . > This state is so messed up. Also I'm doing an extreme downsizing , I'm > moving out of my rented shop and just going to my house now to work from. > I'll be keeping the sub on the side part of our property. I'm kind of re > leaved to get out of that shop simple because I've accumulated so much crap > ! Better to simplify things. > > Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 30 18:40:21 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 23:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shell, downsizing In-Reply-To: References: <20181029174110.AD0E89CE@m0117567.ppops.net> <39B2050B-6B49-470D-B9C7-9A1D754A81BE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <367443915.570329.1543621221623@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Rick,I use O2 from my cutting torch. ?I have a fill hose that works great.I know Cliff does the same.Hank On Friday, November 30, 2018, 4:32:00 PM MST, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Checked into buying 2 aluminum 80,s from the shop here on the Big Island and they will sell me the 02 cleaned tanks but won't fill them with 02 unless I have a tech divers certificate or some such thing.? What have others done??Rick On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:14 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Brian,congratulations on getting that mold done, glad it came out ok.Know what you mean about accumulating stuff; I have spent the last fewdays buying racking & clear plastic containers & organising my sub stuff.I have been buying electronics that I already had. Great putting stuff in?clear plastic bins so I know what I've got!Alan On 30/10/2018, at 1:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I successfully made my mold?for my shell /cover for my sub , now I'm just fixing some imperfections that occurred when separating?the parts?.? ?I've been inquiring?into a truck strong enough to haul my sub but it turns out all the older trucks are now banned in Kalifornia,? there are trucks around but they are illegal to have on the road, really sucks.? So I guess in the long run I'm better off just hiring somebody to haul it .? ?This state is so messed up.? ?Also I'm doing an extreme downsizing , I'm moving out of my rented shop and just going to my house now to work from.? I'll be keeping the sub on the side part of our property.? I'm kind of re leaved?to get out of that shop simple?because I've accumulated so much crap !? ?Better to simplify things.?? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 30 19:09:49 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:09:49 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shell, downsizing In-Reply-To: <367443915.570329.1543621221623@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20181029174110.AD0E89CE@m0117567.ppops.net> <39B2050B-6B49-470D-B9C7-9A1D754A81BE@yahoo.com> <367443915.570329.1543621221623@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Airplane grade not medical at local welding gas supply shop. On Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 3:41 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Rick, > I use O2 from my cutting torch. I have a fill hose that works great. > I know Cliff does the same. > Hank > > On Friday, November 30, 2018, 4:32:00 PM MST, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Checked into buying 2 aluminum 80,s from the shop here on the Big Island > and they will sell me the 02 cleaned tanks but won't fill them with 02 > unless I have a tech divers certificate or some such thing. What have > others done? > Rick > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:14 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Brian, > congratulations on getting that mold done, glad it came out ok. > Know what you mean about accumulating stuff; I have spent the last few > days buying racking & clear plastic containers & organising my sub stuff. > I have been buying electronics that I already had. Great putting stuff in > clear plastic bins so I know what I've got! > Alan > > > On 30/10/2018, at 1:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi All, > I successfully made my mold for my shell /cover for my sub > , now I'm just fixing some imperfections that occurred when separating the > parts . I've been inquiring into a truck strong enough to haul my sub but > it turns out all the older trucks are now banned in Kalifornia, there are > trucks around but they are illegal to have on the road, really sucks. So I > guess in the long run I'm better off just hiring somebody to haul it . > This state is so messed up. Also I'm doing an extreme downsizing , I'm > moving out of my rented shop and just going to my house now to work from. > I'll be keeping the sub on the side part of our property. I'm kind of re > leaved to get out of that shop simple because I've accumulated so much crap > ! 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 30 19:36:55 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:36:55 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shell, downsizing Message-ID: <20181130163655.57FBC9CB@m0117458.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 30 19:51:05 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:51:05 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shell, downsizing In-Reply-To: References: <20181029174110.AD0E89CE@m0117567.ppops.net> <39B2050B-6B49-470D-B9C7-9A1D754A81BE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33CF2831-5ED6-4B66-8076-EE64D4A25978@yahoo.com> Rick, I did a Padi Emergency Oxygen Provider course. It was very short & the local dive store (Global dive) was happy selling me O2 here in Auckland with that certification. You can quote me if your store isn't sure. In my case I approached them & they only needed a few more interested people to run the course. Cheers Alan > On 1/12/2018, at 12:31 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Checked into buying 2 aluminum 80,s from the shop here on the Big Island and they will sell me the 02 cleaned tanks but won't fill them with 02 unless I have a tech divers certificate or some such thing. What have others done? > Rick > >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:14 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Brian, >> congratulations on getting that mold done, glad it came out ok. >> Know what you mean about accumulating stuff; I have spent the last few >> days buying racking & clear plastic containers & organising my sub stuff. >> I have been buying electronics that I already had. Great putting stuff in >> clear plastic bins so I know what I've got! >> Alan >> >> >>> On 30/10/2018, at 1:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I successfully made my mold for my shell /cover for my sub , now I'm just fixing some imperfections that occurred when separating the parts . I've been inquiring into a truck strong enough to haul my sub but it turns out all the older trucks are now banned in Kalifornia, there are trucks around but they are illegal to have on the road, really sucks. So I guess in the long run I'm better off just hiring somebody to haul it . This state is so messed up. Also I'm doing an extreme downsizing , I'm moving out of my rented shop and just going to my house now to work from. I'll be keeping the sub on the side part of our property. I'm kind of re leaved to get out of that shop simple because I've accumulated so much crap ! 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Nov 30 21:52:36 2018 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 21:52:36 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Shell, downsizing In-Reply-To: References: <20181029174110.AD0E89CE@m0117567.ppops.net> <39B2050B-6B49-470D-B9C7-9A1D754A81BE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: My sub has SCUBA tanks for the air and welding cylinders for oxygen. When the O2 gets low, just go to the welding gas place and swap it for a full. As I recall welding oxygen has higher purity standards than medical anyway. Best, Alec On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 6:32 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Checked into buying 2 aluminum 80,s from the shop here on the Big Island > and they will sell me the 02 cleaned tanks but won't fill them with 02 > unless I have a tech divers certificate or some such thing. What have > others done? > Rick > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:14 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Brian, >> congratulations on getting that mold done, glad it came out ok. >> Know what you mean about accumulating stuff; I have spent the last few >> days buying racking & clear plastic containers & organising my sub stuff. >> I have been buying electronics that I already had. Great putting stuff in >> clear plastic bins so I know what I've got! >> Alan >> >> >> On 30/10/2018, at 1:41 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I successfully made my mold for my shell /cover for my >> sub , now I'm just fixing some imperfections that occurred when >> separating the parts . I've been inquiring into a truck strong enough to >> haul my sub but it turns out all the older trucks are now banned in >> Kalifornia, there are trucks around but they are illegal to have on the >> road, really sucks. So I guess in the long run I'm better off just hiring >> somebody to haul it . This state is so messed up. Also I'm doing an >> extreme downsizing , I'm moving out of my rented shop and just going to my >> house now to work from. I'll be keeping the sub on the side part of our >> property. I'm kind of re leaved to get out of that shop simple because >> I've accumulated so much crap ! 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