From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 6 15:26:19 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:26:19 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT Message-ID: <10D7EA33-E84E-4638-8EEA-517AC90F3C12@gmail.com> VBT linkage solved on my K-350 Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 6 15:32:36 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 12:32:36 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT Message-ID: <20190306123236.314FFED4@m0117568.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 6 17:20:16 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:20:16 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT In-Reply-To: <10D7EA33-E84E-4638-8EEA-517AC90F3C12@gmail.com> References: <10D7EA33-E84E-4638-8EEA-517AC90F3C12@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2338D86D-C1DE-456B-83E1-879667800DD6@yahoo.com> Rick, good job. You look like you may be close to finishing! Alan > On 7/03/2019, at 9:26 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Download Attachment > Available until Apr 5, 2019 > VBT linkage solved on my K-350 > > Click to Download > IMG_1789.MOV > 0 bytes > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 7 09:21:04 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 14:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT In-Reply-To: <2338D86D-C1DE-456B-83E1-879667800DD6@yahoo.com> References: <10D7EA33-E84E-4638-8EEA-517AC90F3C12@gmail.com> <2338D86D-C1DE-456B-83E1-879667800DD6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <940831891.854757.1551968464506@mail.yahoo.com> What did you all see?? When I click on the link it says the file is no longer available.? :) From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT Rick,good job. You look like you may be close to finishing!Alan On 7/03/2019, at 9:26 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Download AttachmentAvailable until Apr 5, 2019 VBT linkage solved on my K-350 Click to DownloadIMG_1789.MOV0 bytes Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 7 10:33:56 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 07:33:56 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT In-Reply-To: <10D7EA33-E84E-4638-8EEA-517AC90F3C12@gmail.com> References: <10D7EA33-E84E-4638-8EEA-517AC90F3C12@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, Can you resend it as it has reached to many downloads. David On Wed, Mar 6, 2019, 12:27 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Download Attachment > Available until Apr 5, 2019 > > > VBT linkage solved on my K-350 > > Click to Download > > IMG_1789.MOV > 0 bytes > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 7 12:10:20 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1221859004.1729481.1551978620308@mail.yahoo.com> Here is Rick's video, I have it downloadedHank ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: xxx xxxxx To: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019, 10:08:52 AM MSTSubject: Attachment available until Apr 6, 2019Click to DownloadIMG_1789.MOV122.7 MB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 7 13:27:10 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 07:27:10 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1221859004.1729481.1551978620308@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1221859004.1729481.1551978620308@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, you might have thought through this, but looking at the video again, I don't know what overload protection the linear actuator has & as the actuator would need to fully close the valve it's motor would be stalled at that point. Normally the actuator has a switch that stops it at the end of it's stroke but timing the actuator end stroke with the full closure of the valve would be difficult. Same for opening but there is a bit more leeway as the valve doesn't have to be fully opened. I think you said you were using a toggle switch. I would use a "spring to centre" toggle switch so you can't accidentally leave it on & stall & burn the motor out. Also maybe add a couple of micro switches that activate lights on a panel to show valve position seeing as the valve will be hidden under the floor boards. I have seen small clear boat access hatches that could give you a visual check on valve position & easy access if you needed to take the actuator off & manually operate the valve. Cheers Alan > On 8/03/2019, at 6:10 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Here is Rick's video, I have it downloaded > Hank > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: xxx xxxxx > To: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca > Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019, 10:08:52 AM MST > Subject: > > Attachment available until Apr 6, 2019 > Click to Download > IMG_1789.MOV > 122.7 MB > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 7 13:38:35 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 07:38:35 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <1221859004.1729481.1551978620308@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, that actuator may be generating one or two thousand pound force which would be more closure pressure than would be good for the valve. You could use springs to regulate the valve closing pressure & make sure the actuator could never stall. But more work... Alan > On 8/03/2019, at 7:27 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Rick, > you might have thought through this, but looking at the video again, I don't know what overload protection the linear actuator has & as the actuator would need to fully close the valve it's motor would be stalled at that point. > Normally the actuator has a switch that stops it at the end of it's stroke but timing the actuator end stroke with the full closure of the valve would be difficult. > Same for opening but there is a bit more leeway as the valve doesn't have to be fully opened. > I think you said you were using a toggle switch. I would use a "spring to centre" toggle > switch so you can't accidentally leave it on & stall & burn the motor out. > Also maybe add a couple of micro switches that activate lights on a panel to show > valve position seeing as the valve will be hidden under the floor boards. > I have seen small clear boat access hatches that could give you a visual check on > valve position & easy access if you needed to take the actuator off & manually > operate the valve. > Cheers Alan > > >> On 8/03/2019, at 6:10 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Here is Rick's video, I have it downloaded >> Hank >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >> From: xxx xxxxx >> To: hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca >> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019, 10:08:52 AM MST >> Subject: >> >> Attachment available until Apr 6, 2019 >> Click to Download >> IMG_1789.MOV >> 122.7 MB >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 7 13:40:10 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 08:40:10 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT In-Reply-To: References: <10D7EA33-E84E-4638-8EEA-517AC90F3C12@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll consult the Boss (wife) on how to send it differently. I drag the photo from a file and drop it in the email but she uses the paper clip and downloads it differently to the email. Glad I can weld better than I can run a computer!! Rick On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 5:35 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, Can you resend it as it has reached to many downloads. > David > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019, 12:27 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Download Attachment >> Available until Apr 5, 2019 >> >> >> VBT linkage solved on my K-350 >> >> Click to Download >> >> IMG_1789.MOV >> 0 bytes >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 7 18:43:09 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 12:43:09 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new Submarine movie: The Wolf's call In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Antoine, it looks really good ( apart from English sub titles ) Went through Frances 1st nuclear sub up in Cherbourg! Alan > On 8/03/2019, at 11:35 AM, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hello psubers, > > I just saw a new subs war movie in France. > trailer here > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Gz7Bg07u8 > > the film is like a US action movie, but French, which is rare. Glad it features subs. > very positively impressed. > > I have no clue whether/when will show outside France. > James, that may be an excuse to visit the continent! > > regards; > Antoine > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 7 19:52:51 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 16:52:51 -0800 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new Submarine movie: The Wolf's call Message-ID: <20190307165251.314CA1BB@m0117565.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Mar 7 21:54:37 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Philippe Robert via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 21:54:37 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] new Submarine movie: The Wolf's call In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bonjour Antoine, J?espere le voir ici au Qu?bec ! Je suis Amateur de film d?action et surtout de sous-marin ! Bonne journ?e ! Philippe On Thursday, March 7, 2019, Antoine Delafargue via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hello psubers, > > I just saw a new subs war movie in France. > trailer here > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Gz7Bg07u8 > > the film is like a US action movie, but French, which is rare. Glad it > features subs. > very positively impressed. > > I have no clue whether/when will show outside France. > James, that may be an excuse to visit the continent! > > regards; > Antoine > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 8 15:02:45 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:02:45 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Fwd: In-Reply-To: <11874CCA-107D-4DD0-AC52-A6CD1E98E75D@gmail.com> References: <11874CCA-107D-4DD0-AC52-A6CD1E98E75D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Some were able to open this video and some couldn't so I am going to try and send it differently and see if that helps. Let me know if you were successful. 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I designed them with shoulder bolts machined down and press fit into the backing plate fit for future modificatations or bolt failure. The outside plates are machined down with a shoulder for alignment to the interior id and with an oring seal. Each plate will accomodate (5) 3/4" blue globe fittings. The center hole is for the carbon fiber air line to be routed to the thrusters for air compensatation. The 4" plates accomodate 1/2" blue globe fittings. Test fitted the 6" and I'm happy the accessability. Almost ready to send to the welder.David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 10 21:45:42 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:45:42 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Thru hull plates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <071D1F04-D3A3-4EA1-8C2B-A5698CEE1EF9@yahoo.com> Hi David, I'm a bit confused about how that is working! Is there an o-ring either side of the ring of bolts? Is there a small o-ring on each bolt? And what is being welded? Also if the bolts are press fitted how are they tightened. If it takes too much explanation I'll wait for the progress photos. Cheers Alan > On 10/03/2019, at 7:43 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi guys, > Just got all my 4" and 6" thru hull plates that I had fabricated for the SeaQuestor. I designed them with shoulder bolts machined down and press fit into the backing plate fit for future modificatations or bolt failure. The outside plates are machined down with a shoulder for alignment to the interior id and with an oring seal. Each plate will accomodate (5) 3/4" blue globe fittings. The center hole is for the carbon fiber air line to be routed to the thrusters for air compensatation. The 4" plates accomodate 1/2" blue globe fittings. Test fitted the 6" and I'm happy the accessability. Almost ready to send to the welder. > David > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 10 23:28:54 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:28:54 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Thru hull plates In-Reply-To: <071D1F04-D3A3-4EA1-8C2B-A5698CEE1EF9@yahoo.com> References: <071D1F04-D3A3-4EA1-8C2B-A5698CEE1EF9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan. The plate with the bolts will be welded to the hull. The shoulder bolts are 1/2" shoulder with 3/8" bolt threads. The shoulder i had turned down so it was 1000 over the hole diameter in the plate. These were pressed in place. I dont expect that they will turn when the nuts are tightened. There is no oring on the bolts. The rings are 6" od with a center 4 " id hole. The exterior plate was turned so that there would be a 1/8" shoulder just shy of the 4" id so that it will sit into the welded ring. The oring is is about 4.25" od cut into the outer plate to seal the two plates. Once the two plates are bolted together, most likely they won't be unbolted unless i change the configuration in the future. Hope that helps. Once i get the blue globes in place it might be clearer. David On Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 6:46 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi David, > I'm a bit confused about how that is working! Is there an o-ring either > side of the ring of bolts? Is there a small o-ring on each bolt? > And what is being welded? Also if the bolts are press fitted how are they > tightened. > If it takes too much explanation I'll wait for the progress photos. > Cheers Alan > > > > On 10/03/2019, at 7:43 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > Just got all my 4" and 6" thru hull plates that I had fabricated for the > SeaQuestor. I designed them with shoulder bolts machined down and press fit > into the backing plate fit for future modificatations or bolt failure. The > outside plates are machined down with a shoulder for alignment to the > interior id and with an oring seal. Each plate will accomodate (5) 3/4" > blue globe fittings. The center hole is for the carbon fiber air line to be > routed to the thrusters for air compensatation. The 4" plates accomodate > 1/2" blue globe fittings. Test fitted the 6" and I'm happy the > accessability. Almost ready to send to the welder. > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 10 23:52:01 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:52:01 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Thru hull plates In-Reply-To: References: <071D1F04-D3A3-4EA1-8C2B-A5698CEE1EF9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3338CBEF-DB9E-4CBE-85FF-70B49040C30A@yahoo.com> Thanks David, still not quite getting it but will wait for the next pictures. Was a bit concerned that water could leak through the bolt's press fit, but I guess you could weld them or cover them with expoxy. Cheers Alan > On 11/03/2019, at 4:28 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Alan. The plate with the bolts will be welded to the hull. The shoulder bolts are 1/2" shoulder with 3/8" bolt threads. The shoulder i had turned down so it was 1000 over the hole diameter in the plate. These were pressed in place. I dont expect that they will turn when the nuts are tightened. There is no oring on the bolts. The rings are 6" od with a center 4 " id hole. The exterior plate was turned so that there would be a 1/8" shoulder just shy of the 4" id so that it will sit into the welded ring. The oring is is about 4.25" od cut into the outer plate to seal the two plates. Once the two plates are bolted together, most likely they won't be unbolted unless i change the configuration in the future. > Hope that helps. Once i get the blue globes in place it might be clearer. > > David > >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 6:46 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi David, >> I'm a bit confused about how that is working! Is there an o-ring either >> side of the ring of bolts? Is there a small o-ring on each bolt? >> And what is being welded? Also if the bolts are press fitted how are they >> tightened. >> If it takes too much explanation I'll wait for the progress photos. >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> > On 10/03/2019, at 7:43 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> > >> > Hi guys, >> > Just got all my 4" and 6" thru hull plates that I had fabricated for the SeaQuestor. I designed them with shoulder bolts machined down and press fit into the backing plate fit for future modificatations or bolt failure. The outside plates are machined down with a shoulder for alignment to the interior id and with an oring seal. Each plate will accomodate (5) 3/4" blue globe fittings. The center hole is for the carbon fiber air line to be routed to the thrusters for air compensatation. The 4" plates accomodate 1/2" blue globe fittings. Test fitted the 6" and I'm happy the accessability. Almost ready to send to the welder. >> > David >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 10 23:52:01 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:52:01 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Update Thru hull plates In-Reply-To: References: <071D1F04-D3A3-4EA1-8C2B-A5698CEE1EF9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3338CBEF-DB9E-4CBE-85FF-70B49040C30A@yahoo.com> Thanks David, still not quite getting it but will wait for the next pictures. Was a bit concerned that water could leak through the bolt's press fit, but I guess you could weld them or cover them with expoxy. Cheers Alan > On 11/03/2019, at 4:28 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Alan. The plate with the bolts will be welded to the hull. The shoulder bolts are 1/2" shoulder with 3/8" bolt threads. The shoulder i had turned down so it was 1000 over the hole diameter in the plate. These were pressed in place. I dont expect that they will turn when the nuts are tightened. There is no oring on the bolts. The rings are 6" od with a center 4 " id hole. The exterior plate was turned so that there would be a 1/8" shoulder just shy of the 4" id so that it will sit into the welded ring. The oring is is about 4.25" od cut into the outer plate to seal the two plates. Once the two plates are bolted together, most likely they won't be unbolted unless i change the configuration in the future. > Hope that helps. Once i get the blue globes in place it might be clearer. > > David > >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 6:46 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi David, >> I'm a bit confused about how that is working! Is there an o-ring either >> side of the ring of bolts? Is there a small o-ring on each bolt? >> And what is being welded? Also if the bolts are press fitted how are they >> tightened. >> If it takes too much explanation I'll wait for the progress photos. >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> > On 10/03/2019, at 7:43 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> > >> > Hi guys, >> > Just got all my 4" and 6" thru hull plates that I had fabricated for the SeaQuestor. I designed them with shoulder bolts machined down and press fit into the backing plate fit for future modificatations or bolt failure. The outside plates are machined down with a shoulder for alignment to the interior id and with an oring seal. Each plate will accomodate (5) 3/4" blue globe fittings. The center hole is for the carbon fiber air line to be routed to the thrusters for air compensatation. The 4" plates accomodate 1/2" blue globe fittings. Test fitted the 6" and I'm happy the accessability. 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:38:26 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] epoxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-pottting-compounds/ Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Mar 12, 2019, 12:29, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good dielectric non shrinking epoxy? > I attached my battery pods to the hull using 3 pieces of 4" schedule 80 pipe that are about 4" long. only the aft pipe goes threw the wall of the pod and hull and I am using short pieces of 1/2" copper all thread that will protrude about 2" inside the hull and pod that I will put lugs on that will transfer the battery power inside the hull and I will fill the void between pod and hull with an epoxy to seal the two spaces in case of flooding or possible hydrogen explosion. > Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 12 14:43:52 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:43:52 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] epoxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, there was a typo in that link. Try this: https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-potting-compounds/ Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Mar 12, 2019, 12:38, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-pottting-compounds/ > > Sean > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Mar 12, 2019, 12:29, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Can anyone recommend a good dielectric non shrinking epoxy? >> I attached my battery pods to the hull using 3 pieces of 4" schedule 80 pipe that are about 4" long. only the aft pipe goes threw the wall of the pod and hull and I am using short pieces of 1/2" copper all thread that will protrude about 2" inside the hull and pod that I will put lugs on that will transfer the battery power inside the hull and I will fill the void between pod and hull with an epoxy to seal the two spaces in case of flooding or possible hydrogen explosion. >> Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 12 14:49:43 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 08:49:43 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] epoxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Sean! Have you used one of these in particular so you might be able to recommend a specific one? Rick On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:44 AM Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Sorry, there was a typo in that link. > > Try this: > > > https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-potting-compounds/ > > Sean > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Mar 12, 2019, 12:38, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/potting-compounds/epoxy-pottting-compounds/ > > Sean > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Mar 12, 2019, 12:29, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a good dielectric non shrinking epoxy? > I attached my battery pods to the hull using 3 pieces of 4" schedule 80 > pipe that are about 4" long. only the aft pipe goes threw the wall of the > pod and hull and I am using short pieces of 1/2" copper all thread that > will protrude about 2" inside the hull and pod that I will put lugs on that > will transfer the battery power inside the hull and I will fill the void > between pod and hull with an epoxy to seal the two spaces in case of > flooding or possible hydrogen explosion. > Rick > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brian? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] video through a beam of light Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 01:20:39 +0000 (UTC) I just saw a segment on the evening news where two submersibles sent video 200m through a beam of light. ?No tether.On another note, I have spent the last week getting my vertical lathe going. ?It was very time consuming to figure it all out since I have no manual or schematics. ?I made a 3 phase converter so the control systems run from my shop power. ?I have a small electric motor driving the table (chuck) temporarily for testing. ?I will install an engine, either a 32 hp diesel or my favourite antique marine engine (1935) ?to turn the chuck. ?I can't believe how well built the lathe is and how heavy everything is. ?Hank_______________________________________________Personal_Submersibles mailing listPersonal_Submersibles at psubs.orghttp://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 26 16:52:48 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:52:48 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone Message-ID: <20190326135248.A15477C7@m0117460.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 26 19:58:22 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 23:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <20190326135248.A15477C7@m0117460.ppops.net> References: <20190326135248.A15477C7@m0117460.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1543409863.12006793.1553644702497@mail.yahoo.com> Brian,Are you sure the black is from the o-ring. ?My oil turns black from I assumed carbon off the brushes. ?Hank On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 2:53:05 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I decided to try wd-40's new " silicon" spray , it started melting my O rings. Basically I noticed black coming off the O ring into the lubricant.?? ?I have since gone back to another silicone spray which is an automobile product.? Does anyone have a preferred?silicone product ?? I think my O rings are Buna? Brian_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 26 20:11:45 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:11:45 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <1543409863.12006793.1553644702497@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20190326135248.A15477C7@m0117460.ppops.net> <1543409863.12006793.1553644702497@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: didn't get any feedback from you guys regarding the best paint to use on my sub so maybe my request didn't go out. Gonna try again. Rick On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:59 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Brian, > Are you sure the black is from the o-ring. My oil turns black from I > assumed carbon off the brushes. > Hank > > On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 2:53:05 PM MDT, Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hi All, > I decided to try wd-40's new " silicon" spray , it started > melting my O rings. Basically I noticed black coming off the O ring into > the lubricant. I have since gone back to another silicone spray which is > an automobile product. Does anyone have a preferred silicone product ? I > think my O rings are Buna > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 26 20:16:14 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Gregory Snyder via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:16:14 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: References: <20190326135248.A15477C7@m0117460.ppops.net> <1543409863.12006793.1553644702497@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63455D01-9675-4C45-8962-65D1055C1AC9@snyderemail.com> You should use paint that didn?t do very well in school because it needs to be graded below C - level. ? And that completes my knowledge of underwater paint. Good luck! > On Mar 26, 2019, at 7:11 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > didn't get any feedback from you guys regarding the best paint to use on my sub so maybe my request didn't go out. Gonna try again. > Rick > >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:59 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Brian, >> Are you sure the black is from the o-ring. My oil turns black from I assumed carbon off the brushes. >> Hank >> >> On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 2:53:05 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Hi All, >> I decided to try wd-40's new " silicon" spray , it started melting my O rings. Basically I noticed black coming off the O ring into the lubricant. I have since gone back to another silicone spray which is an automobile product. Does anyone have a preferred silicone product ? I think my O rings are Buna >> >> >> Brian >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 26 20:20:50 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:20:50 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <20190326135248.A15477C7@m0117460.ppops.net> References: <20190326135248.A15477C7@m0117460.ppops.net> Message-ID: <067E1D8A-F517-48B4-9DE6-3F1C3D0CD584@yahoo.com> Brian, I think it's something they mix with the silicone to lower the viscosity for spraying. Could have something to do with the propellant also. I ended up buying from a specialty chemical importer & bought a 5 cst Pure silicone that has worked well so far. Alan > On 27/03/2019, at 9:52 AM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi All, > I decided to try wd-40's new " silicon" spray , it started melting my O rings. Basically I noticed black coming off the O ring into the lubricant. I have since gone back to another silicone spray which is an automobile product. Does anyone have a preferred silicone product ? I think my O rings are Buna > > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 26 20:29:46 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:29:46 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: References: <20190326135248.A15477C7@m0117460.ppops.net> <1543409863.12006793.1553644702497@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38E60493-0437-4A56-AAF8-62535FFE73DB@yahoo.com> Rick, I can't remember what I used, it was a 2 part epoxy preceded by an appropriate primmer that required me buying a heavy duty spray gun & nozzle. I just went in to a few marine chandleries & asked questions. The paints are evolving all the time. Your paint may depend on how you are applying it & whether you want to buy, or already have the correct spray equipment. Alan > On 27/03/2019, at 1:11 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > didn't get any feedback from you guys regarding the best paint to use on my sub so maybe my request didn't go out. Gonna try again. > Rick > >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:59 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Brian, >> Are you sure the black is from the o-ring. My oil turns black from I assumed carbon off the brushes. >> Hank >> >> On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 2:53:05 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Hi All, >> I decided to try wd-40's new " silicon" spray , it started melting my O rings. Basically I noticed black coming off the O ring into the lubricant. I have since gone back to another silicone spray which is an automobile product. Does anyone have a preferred silicone product ? I think my O rings are Buna >> >> >> Brian >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gonna try again. > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:59 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Brian, >> Are you sure the black is from the o-ring. My oil turns black from I >> assumed carbon off the brushes. >> Hank >> >> On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 2:53:05 PM MDT, Brian Cox via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Hi All, >> I decided to try wd-40's new " silicon" spray , it >> started melting my O rings. Basically I noticed black coming off the O ring >> into the lubricant. I have since gone back to another silicone spray >> which is an automobile product. Does anyone have a preferred silicone >> product ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 26 20:42:24 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:42:24 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <443824826.8682.1553646948650@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <443824826.8682.1553646948650@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks Ian I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was surprised to not get any feedback. Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have anything that will work for an underwater application. Rick On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:36 PM irox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Rick, > > I saw your original email although didn't reply (I didn't have an answer). > > Brian Cox did reply with what he used (2 part epoxy if I remember > correctly). > > So at least they are getting through, and getting replies. > > Thanks! > Ian. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Mar 26, 2019 5:11 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone > > didn't get any feedback from you guys regarding the best paint to use on > my sub so maybe my request didn't go out. Gonna try again. > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:59 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Brian, >> Are you sure the black is from the o-ring. My oil turns black from I >> assumed carbon off the brushes. >> Hank >> >> On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 2:53:05 PM MDT, Brian Cox via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Hi All, >> I decided to try wd-40's new " silicon" spray , it >> started melting my O rings. Basically I noticed black coming off the O ring >> into the lubricant. I have since gone back to another silicone spray >> which is an automobile product. Does anyone have a preferred silicone >> product ? 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Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 5:43 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Ian > I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was > surprised to not get any feedback. > Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have anything > that will work for an underwater application. > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 2:36 PM irox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi Rick, >> >> I saw your original email although didn't reply (I didn't have an answer). >> >> Brian Cox did reply with what he used (2 part epoxy if I remember >> correctly). >> >> So at least they are getting through, and getting replies. >> >> Thanks! >> Ian. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> Sent: Mar 26, 2019 5:11 PM >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >> >> didn't get any feedback from you guys regarding the best paint to use on >> my sub so maybe my request didn't go out. Gonna try again. >> Rick >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:59 PM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Brian, >>> Are you sure the black is from the o-ring. My oil turns black from I >>> assumed carbon off the brushes. >>> Hank >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 2:53:05 PM MDT, Brian Cox via >>> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I decided to try wd-40's new " silicon" spray , it >>> started melting my O rings. Basically I noticed black coming off the O ring >>> into the lubricant. I have since gone back to another silicone spray >>> which is an automobile product. Does anyone have a preferred silicone >>> product ? 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I know Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt orange-peel type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it was wicked easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due to bumping into things, etc.? I am likely going to follow that lead on the K-600. Jon From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone Thanks IanI know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was surprised to not get any feedback.?Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have anything that will work for an underwater application.?Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Mar 26 23:09:53 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:09:53 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <642855866.10633570.1553654946605@mail.yahoo.com> References: <443824826.8682.1553646948650@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <642855866.10633570.1553654946605@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys Dan H said he used an epoxy paint of some sort but they discontinued it because it caused cancer, I think he said emron or something but I thought the gist of the group here used an epoxy paint but when I mentioned that the other day at our Sherwin-Williams, they were adamant that it shouldn't be used in a semi underwater application, but like Jon says, I don't know any that are. Jon, let me know if you can locate what you were talking about and David, go ahead and send me your contact in Cal. Thanks again Just had another pretty big earthquake but no Lava this time On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > > Ditto what David Colombo wrote. I wish I could remember how the Sherwin > Williams Rep steered us back in 2012 (I think it was) but there were > certain products that they had which he highly recommended although none of > them were in any way associated for underwater application. I'm going to > have to search through archives to see if I can pick up any info. > > Absent that, epoxy based paint is used by most that I am aware of. I know > Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt orange-peel > type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it was wicked > easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due to bumping > into things, etc. I am likely going to follow that lead on the K-600. > > Jon > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone > > Thanks Ian > I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was > surprised to not get any feedback. > Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have anything > that will work for an underwater application. > Rick > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:52 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Rick, I get my paint from an outfit in Long Beach - Pro-Line paint. > It's a two paint process, the undercoat is epoxy barrier coat ( two part) > and the final coat is a linear polyurethane ( also two parts) > > Brian > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:09:53 -1000 > > Thanks guys > Dan H said he used an epoxy paint of some sort but they discontinued it > because it caused cancer, I think he said emron or something but I thought > the gist of the group here used an epoxy paint but when I mentioned that > the other day at our Sherwin-Williams, they were adamant that it shouldn't > be used in a semi underwater application, but like Jon says, I don't know > any that are. > Jon, let me know if you can locate what you were talking about and David, > go ahead and send me your contact in Cal. > Thanks again > Just had another pretty big earthquake but no Lava this time > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Rick, > > Ditto what David Colombo wrote. I wish I could remember how the Sherwin > Williams Rep steered us back in 2012 (I think it was) but there were > certain products that they had which he highly recommended although none of > them were in any way associated for underwater application. I'm going to > have to search through archives to see if I can pick up any info. > > Absent that, epoxy based paint is used by most that I am aware of. I know > Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt orange-peel > type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it was wicked > easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due to bumping > into things, etc. I am likely going to follow that lead on the K-600. > > Jon > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone > > Thanks Ian > I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was > surprised to not get any feedback. > Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have anything > that will work for an underwater application. > Rick > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles > mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 02:25:04 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 23:25:04 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone Message-ID: <20190326232504.A1537BAC@m0117568.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 02:48:12 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:48:12 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: References: <20190326225126.A153C0B2@m0117459.ppops.net> Message-ID: <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> Rick, Are there any boat yards near you that might do it. Even if they just sand blast it & prime it. I presume you won't be keeping your sub permanently in the water so no Need for anti fouling. Alan > On 27/03/2019, at 7:00 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks Brian, I'll ring them up tomorrow. This is part of the sub building process that I am NOT looking forward to. I hate painting! > Rick > >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:52 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi Rick, I get my paint from an outfit in Long Beach - Pro-Line paint. It's a two paint process, the undercoat is epoxy barrier coat ( two part) and the final coat is a linear polyurethane ( also two parts) >> >> Brian >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:09:53 -1000 >> >> Thanks guys >> Dan H said he used an epoxy paint of some sort but they discontinued it because it caused cancer, I think he said emron or something but I thought the gist of the group here used an epoxy paint but when I mentioned that the other day at our Sherwin-Williams, they were adamant that it shouldn't be used in a semi underwater application, but like Jon says, I don't know any that are. >> Jon, let me know if you can locate what you were talking about and David, go ahead and send me your contact in Cal. >> Thanks again >> Just had another pretty big earthquake but no Lava this time >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Rick, >> >> Ditto what David Colombo wrote. I wish I could remember how the Sherwin Williams Rep steered us back in 2012 (I think it was) but there were certain products that they had which he highly recommended although none of them were in any way associated for underwater application. I'm going to have to search through archives to see if I can pick up any info. >> >> Absent that, epoxy based paint is used by most that I am aware of. I know Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt orange-peel type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it was wicked easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due to bumping into things, etc. I am likely going to follow that lead on the K-600. >> >> Jon >> >> >> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >> >> Thanks Ian >> I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was surprised to not get any feedback. >> Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have anything that will work for an underwater application. >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 10:00:06 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: References: <443824826.8682.1553646948650@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <642855866.10633570.1553654946605@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60882842.12279486.1553695206541@mail.yahoo.com> Attached is the Psub Paint specification that was presented at the 2011 Psub convention both in Excel and PDF formats.? As Dave Colombo notes, most Sherman Williams?paint stores in US are setup for supplying house paint and are unfamiliar with these Sherman Williams? marine products but they can order and as far as I know the account number on the spreadsheet is still valid and can be used for the PSub discount. I painted the R300 prior to having this paint spec.? I used automotive Imron two part epoxy paint from DuPont for both exterior and interior.? While the paint has held up pretty well, the biggest issue I had was inadequate surface preparation because I could not get interior sand blasted? due to small space and inward facing "T" stiffeners. The next time I paint a sub hull, I will go with Sherman Williams Psub specification. Cliff? On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 10:10:57 PM CDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks guysDan H said he used an epoxy paint of some sort but they discontinued it because it caused cancer, I think he said emron or something but I thought the gist of the group here used an epoxy paint but when I mentioned that the other day at our Sherwin-Williams, they were adamant that it shouldn't be used in a semi underwater application, but like Jon says, I don't know any that are.?Jon, let me know if you can locate what you were talking about and David, go ahead and send me your contact in Cal.Thanks againJust had another pretty big earthquake but no Lava this time On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick, Ditto what David Colombo wrote.? I wish I could remember how the Sherwin Williams Rep steered us back in 2012 (I think it was) but there were certain products that they had which he highly recommended although none of them were in any way associated for underwater application.? I'm going to have to search through archives to see if I can pick up any info. Absent that, epoxy based paint is used by most that I am aware of.? I know Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt orange-peel type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it was wicked easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due to bumping into things, etc.? I am likely going to follow that lead on the K-600. Jon From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone Thanks IanI know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was surprised to not get any feedback.?Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have anything that will work for an underwater application.?Rick _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone Attached is the Psub Paint specification that was presented at the 2011 Psub convention both in Excel and PDF formats.? As Dave Colombo notes, most Sherman Williams?paint stores in US are setup for supplying house paint and are unfamiliar with these Sherman Williams? marine products but they can order and as far as I know the account number on the spreadsheet is still valid and can be used for the PSub discount. I painted the R300 prior to having this paint spec.? I used automotive Imron two part epoxy paint from DuPont for both exterior and interior.? While the paint has held up pretty well, the biggest issue I had was inadequate surface preparation because I could not get interior sand blasted? due to small space and inward facing "T" stiffeners. The next time I paint a sub hull, I will go with Sherman Williams Psub specification. Cliff? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 12:31:23 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <500179803.10829662.1553698178631@mail.yahoo.com> References: <443824826.8682.1553646948650@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <642855866.10633570.1553654946605@mail.yahoo.com> <60882842.12279486.1553695206541@mail.yahoo.com> <500179803.10829662.1553698178631@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2141651525.12415949.1553704283029@mail.yahoo.com> No problem.?? Jon, how is progress coming on your K boat build?? Last time we spoke, you were wrapping up work on the trailer.?? Cliff On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 9:50:41 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Excellent Cliff, thanks.? I will upload to the website so we've got it on the server. Jon From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles To: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone Attached is the Psub Paint specification that was presented at the 2011 Psub convention both in Excel and PDF formats.? As Dave Colombo notes, most Sherman Williams?paint stores in US are setup for supplying house paint and are unfamiliar with these Sherman Williams? marine products but they can order and as far as I know the account number on the spreadsheet is still valid and can be used for the PSub discount. I painted the R300 prior to having this paint spec.? I used automotive Imron two part epoxy paint from DuPont for both exterior and interior.? While the paint has held up pretty well, the biggest issue I had was inadequate surface preparation because I could not get interior sand blasted? due to small space and inward facing "T" stiffeners. The next time I paint a sub hull, I will go with Sherman Williams Psub specification. Cliff? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 13:46:23 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 07:46:23 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> References: <20190326225126.A153C0B2@m0117459.ppops.net> <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan There is only one boat yard on the Island and all they do is provide slips with no water or power for your boat and dry storage for smaller boats. They lease out space for vendors like a machine shop and such but pretty primitive. I'll see if I can find a vendor that can do a professional job of painting but not holding my breath. This is a third world setting but at least it's nice weather and water! Rick On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:49 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > Are there any boat yards near you that might do it. > Even if they just sand blast it & prime it. > I presume you won't be keeping your sub permanently in the water so no > Need for anti fouling. > Alan > > On 27/03/2019, at 7:00 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks Brian, I'll ring them up tomorrow. This is part of the sub building > process that I am NOT looking forward to. I hate painting! > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:52 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi Rick, I get my paint from an outfit in Long Beach - Pro-Line paint. >> It's a two paint process, the undercoat is epoxy barrier coat ( two part) >> and the final coat is a linear polyurethane ( also two parts) >> >> Brian >> >> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >> >> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:09:53 -1000 >> >> Thanks guys >> Dan H said he used an epoxy paint of some sort but they discontinued it >> because it caused cancer, I think he said emron or something but I thought >> the gist of the group here used an epoxy paint but when I mentioned that >> the other day at our Sherwin-Williams, they were adamant that it shouldn't >> be used in a semi underwater application, but like Jon says, I don't know >> any that are. >> Jon, let me know if you can locate what you were talking about and David, >> go ahead and send me your contact in Cal. >> Thanks again >> Just had another pretty big earthquake but no Lava this time >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Rick, >> >> Ditto what David Colombo wrote. I wish I could remember how the Sherwin >> Williams Rep steered us back in 2012 (I think it was) but there were >> certain products that they had which he highly recommended although none of >> them were in any way associated for underwater application. I'm going to >> have to search through archives to see if I can pick up any info. >> >> Absent that, epoxy based paint is used by most that I am aware of. I >> know Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt >> orange-peel type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it >> was wicked easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due >> to bumping into things, etc. I am likely going to follow that lead on the >> K-600. >> >> Jon >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >> >> Thanks Ian >> I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was >> surprised to not get any feedback. >> Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have >> anything that will work for an underwater application. >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 14:30:13 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:30:13 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: References: <20190326225126.A153C0B2@m0117459.ppops.net> <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, I am getting the picture. I am not sure how you would get on ordering the paint from over seas; being a Chemical there may be restrictions, especially on the two pot epoxy. You may have to even order it through a paint store that is licensed to import chemicals. I would be googling the best option for marine paint for a steel Boat. Loads of boat forums out there. Then ask what pressure & Nozzle size you need to spray it, & order that too. I think someone said Alec painted Snoopy with a roller. That would Be a lot easier if you can get a good finish. Wonder what they have on Oahu? Cheers Alan > On 28/03/2019, at 6:46 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan > There is only one boat yard on the Island and all they do is provide slips with no water or power for your boat and dry storage for smaller boats. They lease out space for vendors like a machine shop and such but pretty primitive. I'll see if I can find a vendor that can do a professional job of painting but not holding my breath. This is a third world setting but at least it's nice weather and water! > Rick > >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:49 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Rick, >> Are there any boat yards near you that might do it. >> Even if they just sand blast it & prime it. >> I presume you won't be keeping your sub permanently in the water so no >> Need for anti fouling. >> Alan >> >>> On 27/03/2019, at 7:00 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Brian, I'll ring them up tomorrow. This is part of the sub building process that I am NOT looking forward to. I hate painting! >>> Rick >>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:52 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Hi Rick, I get my paint from an outfit in Long Beach - Pro-Line paint. It's a two paint process, the undercoat is epoxy barrier coat ( two part) and the final coat is a linear polyurethane ( also two parts) >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >>>> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:09:53 -1000 >>>> >>>> Thanks guys >>>> Dan H said he used an epoxy paint of some sort but they discontinued it because it caused cancer, I think he said emron or something but I thought the gist of the group here used an epoxy paint but when I mentioned that the other day at our Sherwin-Williams, they were adamant that it shouldn't be used in a semi underwater application, but like Jon says, I don't know any that are. >>>> Jon, let me know if you can locate what you were talking about and David, go ahead and send me your contact in Cal. >>>> Thanks again >>>> Just had another pretty big earthquake but no Lava this time >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Rick, >>>> >>>> Ditto what David Colombo wrote. I wish I could remember how the Sherwin Williams Rep steered us back in 2012 (I think it was) but there were certain products that they had which he highly recommended although none of them were in any way associated for underwater application. I'm going to have to search through archives to see if I can pick up any info. >>>> >>>> Absent that, epoxy based paint is used by most that I am aware of. I know Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt orange-peel type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it was wicked easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due to bumping into things, etc. I am likely going to follow that lead on the K-600. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >>>> >>>> Thanks Ian >>>> I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was surprised to not get any feedback. >>>> Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have anything that will work for an underwater application. >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 14:51:54 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:51:54 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: References: <20190326225126.A153C0B2@m0117459.ppops.net> <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan Yes a big drawback to (living in paradise) is that that are a lot of things that they won't fly now and have to come by barge. I plan on using a roller and brush rather than spray it on. I used to belong to the metal boat society so I can pursue that end, good idea. Rick On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 8:31 AM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, > I am getting the picture. > I am not sure how you would get on ordering the paint from over seas; > being a > Chemical there may be restrictions, especially on the two pot epoxy. You > may have > to even order it through a paint store that is licensed to import > chemicals. > I would be googling the best option for marine paint for a steel Boat. > Loads of boat forums out there. Then ask what pressure & Nozzle size you > need to spray it, > & order that too. I think someone said Alec painted Snoopy with a roller. > That would > Be a lot easier if you can get a good finish. > Wonder what they have on Oahu? > Cheers Alan > > > On 28/03/2019, at 6:46 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan > There is only one boat yard on the Island and all they do is provide slips > with no water or power for your boat and dry storage for smaller boats. > They lease out space for vendors like a machine shop and such but pretty > primitive. I'll see if I can find a vendor that can do a professional job > of painting but not holding my breath. This is a third world setting but at > least it's nice weather and water! > Rick > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:49 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Rick, >> Are there any boat yards near you that might do it. >> Even if they just sand blast it & prime it. >> I presume you won't be keeping your sub permanently in the water so no >> Need for anti fouling. >> Alan >> >> On 27/03/2019, at 7:00 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Thanks Brian, I'll ring them up tomorrow. This is part of the sub >> building process that I am NOT looking forward to. I hate painting! >> Rick >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:52 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi Rick, I get my paint from an outfit in Long Beach - Pro-Line paint. >>> It's a two paint process, the undercoat is epoxy barrier coat ( two part) >>> and the final coat is a linear polyurethane ( also two parts) >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>> >>> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >>> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:09:53 -1000 >>> >>> Thanks guys >>> Dan H said he used an epoxy paint of some sort but they discontinued it >>> because it caused cancer, I think he said emron or something but I thought >>> the gist of the group here used an epoxy paint but when I mentioned that >>> the other day at our Sherwin-Williams, they were adamant that it shouldn't >>> be used in a semi underwater application, but like Jon says, I don't know >>> any that are. >>> Jon, let me know if you can locate what you were talking about and >>> David, go ahead and send me your contact in Cal. >>> Thanks again >>> Just had another pretty big earthquake but no Lava this time >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Rick, >>> >>> Ditto what David Colombo wrote. I wish I could remember how the Sherwin >>> Williams Rep steered us back in 2012 (I think it was) but there were >>> certain products that they had which he highly recommended although none of >>> them were in any way associated for underwater application. I'm going to >>> have to search through archives to see if I can pick up any info. >>> >>> Absent that, epoxy based paint is used by most that I am aware of. I >>> know Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt >>> orange-peel type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it >>> was wicked easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due >>> to bumping into things, etc. I am likely going to follow that lead on the >>> K-600. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >>> >>> Thanks Ian >>> I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was >>> surprised to not get any feedback. >>> Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have >>> anything that will work for an underwater application. >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >>> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 16:04:48 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:04:48 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: References: <20190326225126.A153C0B2@m0117459.ppops.net> <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30D7C48D-C38F-4529-8EE1-D723330AFB3F@gmail.com> Hey guys, the Sherwin Williams product is ?Macropoxy.? I still use it, and PSUBS is in their system as having a discount. I can?t recall what the discount is, but it?s huge. Best, Alec Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan > Yes a big drawback to (living in paradise) is that that are a lot of things that they won't fly now and have to come by barge. I plan on using a roller and brush rather than spray it on. I used to belong to the metal boat society so I can pursue that end, good idea. > Rick > >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 8:31 AM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Rick, >> I am getting the picture. >> I am not sure how you would get on ordering the paint from over seas; being a >> Chemical there may be restrictions, especially on the two pot epoxy. You may have >> to even order it through a paint store that is licensed to import chemicals. >> I would be googling the best option for marine paint for a steel Boat. Loads of boat forums out there. Then ask what pressure & Nozzle size you need to spray it, >> & order that too. I think someone said Alec painted Snoopy with a roller. That would >> Be a lot easier if you can get a good finish. >> Wonder what they have on Oahu? >> Cheers Alan >> >> >>> On 28/03/2019, at 6:46 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Alan >>> There is only one boat yard on the Island and all they do is provide slips with no water or power for your boat and dry storage for smaller boats. They lease out space for vendors like a machine shop and such but pretty primitive. I'll see if I can find a vendor that can do a professional job of painting but not holding my breath. This is a third world setting but at least it's nice weather and water! >>> Rick >>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:49 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Rick, >>>> Are there any boat yards near you that might do it. >>>> Even if they just sand blast it & prime it. >>>> I presume you won't be keeping your sub permanently in the water so no >>>> Need for anti fouling. >>>> Alan >>>> >>>>> On 27/03/2019, at 7:00 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Brian, I'll ring them up tomorrow. This is part of the sub building process that I am NOT looking forward to. I hate painting! >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:52 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rick, I get my paint from an outfit in Long Beach - Pro-Line paint. It's a two paint process, the undercoat is epoxy barrier coat ( two part) and the final coat is a linear polyurethane ( also two parts) >>>>>> >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> >>>>>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >>>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >>>>>> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:09:53 -1000 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks guys >>>>>> Dan H said he used an epoxy paint of some sort but they discontinued it because it caused cancer, I think he said emron or something but I thought the gist of the group here used an epoxy paint but when I mentioned that the other day at our Sherwin-Williams, they were adamant that it shouldn't be used in a semi underwater application, but like Jon says, I don't know any that are. >>>>>> Jon, let me know if you can locate what you were talking about and David, go ahead and send me your contact in Cal. >>>>>> Thanks again >>>>>> Just had another pretty big earthquake but no Lava this time >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>>>> Rick, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ditto what David Colombo wrote. I wish I could remember how the Sherwin Williams Rep steered us back in 2012 (I think it was) but there were certain products that they had which he highly recommended although none of them were in any way associated for underwater application. I'm going to have to search through archives to see if I can pick up any info. >>>>>> >>>>>> Absent that, epoxy based paint is used by most that I am aware of. I know Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt orange-peel type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it was wicked easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due to bumping into things, etc. I am likely going to follow that lead on the K-600. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jon >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles >>>>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Ian >>>>>> I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was surprised to not get any feedback. >>>>>> Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have anything that will work for an underwater application. >>>>>> Rick >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 19:34:39 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:34:39 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <30D7C48D-C38F-4529-8EE1-D723330AFB3F@gmail.com> References: <20190326225126.A153C0B2@m0117459.ppops.net> <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> <30D7C48D-C38F-4529-8EE1-D723330AFB3F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Alec Would I just ask for macropoxy and what color or are there different types? Rick On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:05 AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hey guys, the Sherwin Williams product is ?Macropoxy.? I still use it, and > PSUBS is in their system as having a discount. I can?t recall what the > discount is, but it?s huge. > > Best, > Alec > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan > Yes a big drawback to (living in paradise) is that that are a lot of > things that they won't fly now and have to come by barge. I plan on using a > roller and brush rather than spray it on. I used to belong to the metal > boat society so I can pursue that end, good idea. > Rick > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 8:31 AM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Rick, >> I am getting the picture. >> I am not sure how you would get on ordering the paint from over seas; >> being a >> Chemical there may be restrictions, especially on the two pot epoxy. You >> may have >> to even order it through a paint store that is licensed to import >> chemicals. >> I would be googling the best option for marine paint for a steel Boat. >> Loads of boat forums out there. Then ask what pressure & Nozzle size you >> need to spray it, >> & order that too. I think someone said Alec painted Snoopy with a roller. >> That would >> Be a lot easier if you can get a good finish. >> Wonder what they have on Oahu? >> Cheers Alan >> >> >> On 28/03/2019, at 6:46 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Alan >> There is only one boat yard on the Island and all they do is provide >> slips with no water or power for your boat and dry storage for smaller >> boats. They lease out space for vendors like a machine shop and such but >> pretty primitive. I'll see if I can find a vendor that can do a >> professional job of painting but not holding my breath. This is a third >> world setting but at least it's nice weather and water! >> Rick >> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:49 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Rick, >>> Are there any boat yards near you that might do it. >>> Even if they just sand blast it & prime it. >>> I presume you won't be keeping your sub permanently in the water so no >>> Need for anti fouling. >>> Alan >>> >>> On 27/03/2019, at 7:00 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Brian, I'll ring them up tomorrow. This is part of the sub >>> building process that I am NOT looking forward to. I hate painting! >>> Rick >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 7:52 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Rick, I get my paint from an outfit in Long Beach - Pro-Line >>>> paint. It's a two paint process, the undercoat is epoxy barrier coat ( two >>>> part) and the final coat is a linear polyurethane ( also two parts) >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >>>> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:09:53 -1000 >>>> >>>> Thanks guys >>>> Dan H said he used an epoxy paint of some sort but they discontinued it >>>> because it caused cancer, I think he said emron or something but I thought >>>> the gist of the group here used an epoxy paint but when I mentioned that >>>> the other day at our Sherwin-Williams, they were adamant that it shouldn't >>>> be used in a semi underwater application, but like Jon says, I don't know >>>> any that are. >>>> Jon, let me know if you can locate what you were talking about and >>>> David, go ahead and send me your contact in Cal. >>>> Thanks again >>>> Just had another pretty big earthquake but no Lava this time >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:50 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Rick, >>>> >>>> Ditto what David Colombo wrote. I wish I could remember how the >>>> Sherwin Williams Rep steered us back in 2012 (I think it was) but there >>>> were certain products that they had which he highly recommended although >>>> none of them were in any way associated for underwater application. I'm >>>> going to have to search through archives to see if I can pick up any info. >>>> >>>> Absent that, epoxy based paint is used by most that I am aware of. I >>>> know Alec Smyth just used a roller for SNOOPY which provided a matt >>>> orange-peel type finish instead of a high gloss sheen, but like he said, it >>>> was wicked easy to patch a scratch or scrape that inevitably shows up due >>>> to bumping into things, etc. I am likely going to follow that lead on the >>>> K-600. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 8:44 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone >>>> >>>> Thanks Ian >>>> I know there are a lot of boats out there that are painted so was >>>> surprised to not get any feedback. >>>> Sherwin-Williams here on the big island said that they don't have >>>> anything that will work for an underwater application. >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles >>>> mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 21:07:52 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:07:52 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <345597271.11161763.1553733724249@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20190326225126.A153C0B2@m0117459.ppops.net> <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> <30D7C48D-C38F-4529-8EE1-D723330AFB3F@gmail.com> <345597271.11161763.1553733724249@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jon, I have a call into the West Coast rep to ask the question, Is the Macropoxy required to have the SeaGuard 6000 Marine epoxy as a primer? According to their most recent bulletin from Feb 23, 2016, The SeaGuard 6000 it appears that the the Macropoxy 646 goes over the SeaQuard 6000, and is recommended for steel, atmospheric service. I'll let you know what I find out. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Macropoxy 646 Fast Cure Epoxy is what the Rep recommended. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2019 7:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone > > Alec > > Would I just ask for macropoxy and what color or are there different types? > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 21:44:35 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 01:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: References: <20190326225126.A153C0B2@m0117459.ppops.net> <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> <30D7C48D-C38F-4529-8EE1-D723330AFB3F@gmail.com> <345597271.11161763.1553733724249@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097354120.11211807.1553737475321@mail.yahoo.com> I couldn't say that was impossible since the document that we have from Rick Gallenberger goes back to 2011.? I wish I could remember more from his presentation, which was excellent by the way.? But my memory seems to suggest that he was not a believer in primers.? According to the SW product page, "This product can be applied directly to marginally prepared steel surfaces." https://protective.sherwin-williams.com/detail.jsp?A=sku-26179%3aproduct-6843 From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone Hi Jon,I have a call into the West Coast rep to ask the question, Is the Macropoxy required to have the SeaGuard 6000 Marine epoxy as a primer? According to their most recent bulletin from Feb 23, 2016, The SeaGuard 6000? it appears that the the Macropoxy 646 goes over the SeaQuard 6000, and is recommended for steel, atmospheric service.? I'll let you know what I find out. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Macropoxy 646 Fast Cure Epoxy is what the Rep recommended. From: Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone Alec Would I just ask for macropoxy and what color or are there different types?Rick _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Mar 27 23:11:32 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:11:32 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone In-Reply-To: <1097354120.11211807.1553737475321@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20190326225126.A153C0B2@m0117459.ppops.net> <4E2F6963-128C-454C-85E2-BC693F5CF071@yahoo.com> <30D7C48D-C38F-4529-8EE1-D723330AFB3F@gmail.com> <345597271.11161763.1553733724249@mail.yahoo.com> <1097354120.11211807.1553737475321@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now that it sounds like I know what to use, but will still call them and confirm it, since the stuff is I am sure expensive, can anyone recommend about how many gallons I would need to do a K-350? Rick On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:45 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I couldn't say that was impossible since the document that we have from > Rick Gallenberger goes back to 2011. I wish I could remember more from his > presentation, which was excellent by the way. But my memory seems to > suggest that he was not a believer in primers. According to the SW product > page, "This product can be applied directly to marginally prepared steel > surfaces." > > > https://protective.sherwin-williams.com/detail.jsp?A=sku-26179%3aproduct-6843 > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:10 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone > > Hi Jon, > I have a call into the West Coast rep to ask the question, Is the > Macropoxy required to have the SeaGuard 6000 Marine epoxy as a primer? > According to their most recent bulletin from Feb 23, 2016, The SeaGuard > 6000 it appears that the the Macropoxy 646 goes over the SeaQuard 6000, > and is recommended for steel, atmospheric service. I'll let you know what > I find out. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Macropoxy 646 Fast Cure Epoxy is what the Rep recommended. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2019 7:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Silicone > > Alec > > Would I just ask for macropoxy and what color or are there different types? > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I dont have the same type of setup for my o2 tanks though as there is no hidden pressure zone. David On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 9:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi, > Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 > from the > system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. > With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. > Alan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I dont have the same type of setup for my o2 tanks though as there is no hidden pressure zone. > David > >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 9:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi, >> Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the >> system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. >> With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. >> Alan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 29 07:20:26 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 07:20:26 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Purge Valve In-Reply-To: <8328095E-45E1-4B64-A50D-89E791F91280@yahoo.com> References: <8328095E-45E1-4B64-A50D-89E791F91280@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6EEFFAEE-77D7-4B5B-9C18-684EF04BD2E6@gmail.com> Hi Alan, I simply bleed the O2 line with the flow valve that lets O2 into the cabin. Best, Alec Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 29, 2019, at 3:14 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks David, > Still thinking through some of this stuff lol. > Trying to make the systems bullet proof. > Alan > >> On 29/03/2019, at 5:53 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hi Alan, the yoke that is attached to my hp air tank has a bleeder valve as part of the yoke, then a shut off valve prior to entering the pressure hull. Procedure for tank change out, shut valve, open bleed valve, then remove yoke. I dont have the same type of setup for my o2 tanks though as there is no hidden pressure zone. >> David >> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 9:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the >>> system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. >>> With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks! Shanee -- Institute for Emergence//Community Submersibles Project ::::: 'The fact remains that political frontiers are impervious to our verbal cultures, while the substantially nonverbal civilization of playfulness crosses them with the happy freedom of the wind and the clouds.' ~ Primo Levi ::::: 'Caught up in a mass of abstractions, our attention hypnotized by a host of human-made technologies that only reflect us back to ourselves, it is all too easy for us to forget our carnal inherence in a more-than-human matrix of sensations and sensibilities. Our bodies have formed themselves in delicate reciprocity with the manifold textures, sounds, and shapes of an animate earth. Our eyes have evolved in subtle interaction with other eyes, as our ears are attuned by their very structure to the howling of wolves and the honking of geese. 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Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya. Rick On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi, > Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 > from the > system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. > With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. > Alan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan > On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya. > Rick > >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi, >> Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the >> system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. >> With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. >> Alan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 29 15:55:07 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 08:55:07 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sodasorb vendors in US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2437A4DD-A541-4987-BF08-E2F6FDF3858B@yahoo.com> Hi Shanee, there would be loads of dive stores that would sell it to you. I think my local one in NZ imports it direct. Are you ordering in bulk & wanting to deal with an importer? Alan > On 30/03/2019, at 7:06 AM, Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Does anyone have a good Sodasorb vendor in the US? I've tried and had orders cancelled multiple times now so I'm just trying to find a reputable source. > > Thanks! > Shanee > > -- > Institute for Emergence//Community Submersibles Project > > ::::: > > 'The fact remains that political frontiers are impervious to our verbal cultures, while the substantially nonverbal civilization of playfulness crosses them with the happy freedom of the wind and the clouds.' ~ Primo Levi > > ::::: > > 'Caught up in a mass of abstractions, our attention hypnotized by a host of human-made technologies that only reflect us back to ourselves, it is all too easy for us to forget our carnal inherence in a more-than-human matrix of sensations and sensibilities. Our bodies have formed themselves in delicate reciprocity with the manifold textures, sounds, and shapes of an animate earth. Our eyes have evolved in subtle interaction with other eyes, as our ears are attuned by their very structure to the howling of wolves and the honking of geese. To shut ourselves off from these other voices, to continue by our lifestyles to condemn these other sensibilities to the oblivion of extinction, is to rob our own senses of their integrity, and to rob our minds of their coherence. ' ~David Abrams > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 29 16:14:58 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 13:14:58 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sodasorb vendors in US Message-ID: <20190329131458.C06A74DA@m0117566.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 29 20:38:00 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 00:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Purge Valve In-Reply-To: <84513CC9-6DC2-4867-8F79-041E9C18CF8A@yahoo.com> References: <84513CC9-6DC2-4867-8F79-041E9C18CF8A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1300675181.13894121.1553906280739@mail.yahoo.com> Alan, same as David, bleeds on both yokesHank On Friday, March 29, 2019, 1:50:14 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks everyone,It might be easiest & safest in my case ( 1 person sub ) to just shut off theBottles & reach inside the hull & bleed air & O2 from there.It saves putting another fitting in line that may leak. Also there may be thePossibility of leaving the purge valve open, although no doubt you would hearIt when you turned the air on!?Alan On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya.Rick On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi, Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Mar 29 23:36:42 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 16:36:42 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Purge Valve In-Reply-To: <1300675181.13894121.1553906280739@mail.yahoo.com> References: <84513CC9-6DC2-4867-8F79-041E9C18CF8A@yahoo.com> <1300675181.13894121.1553906280739@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98F69637-B822-42DB-A5D6-61666FDCC25A@yahoo.com> Hank, I am using a 36V 750 psi pressure washer pump on my sub for trim & ballast adjustment. It is supposed to have a corrosion proof pump, although would need flushing out after salt water use. I am wondering about the feasibility of using it to power manipulator hydraulics using water. I had heard that Nuytco had used a water hydraulics system. Are you familiar with that at all, or have any thoughts on this? My maximum operating depth is 500ft so I should have 500psi above my maximum ambient pressure. Alan > On 30/03/2019, at 1:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, same as David, bleeds on both yokes > Hank > > On Friday, March 29, 2019, 1:50:14 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks everyone, > It might be easiest & safest in my case ( 1 person sub ) to just shut off the > Bottles & reach inside the hull & bleed air & O2 from there. > It saves putting another fitting in line that may leak. Also there may be the > Possibility of leaving the purge valve open, although no doubt you would hear > It when you turned the air on! > Alan > >> On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, >> My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya. >> Rick >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Hi, >> Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the >> system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. >> With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. >> Alan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan > On 30/03/2019, at 4:56 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi guys, I've been cutting a lot of foam over the last month, so I thought I would share the progress. I hope to complete the final foam cutting this weekend. Next step is to replace the 3/4" plywood ribs with a piece of 3/4" foam. Then glue all foam into a single block and then start the final shaping and sanding before starting the fiberglass process. The final fiberglass will be cast into 5 or 6 pieces depending on the demolding lines. Once those parts are removed from the plug, I will be recutting the foam to cast the inner ballast tank parts. > The forward canards are coming along right in line with story of the SeaQuestor I am developing for the interaction with children. > Best Regards, > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 30 01:33:31 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 22:33:31 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seaquestor progress In-Reply-To: <031845B6-993F-47C7-8F25-EE382B9AA99D@yahoo.com> References: <031845B6-993F-47C7-8F25-EE382B9AA99D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alan, the evolution of the shape is really exciting. Each new piece after its cut continues to suprise me, and inspires me. The design inspired from my childhood, may seem wacky to some, but what better way for an old guy to inspire young people to follow your dreams. David On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 9:21 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > This is the fun part David, > It's starting to look like a space ship! > Alan > > > On 30/03/2019, at 4:56 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, I've been cutting a lot of foam over the last month, so I > thought I would share the progress. I hope to complete the final foam > cutting this weekend. Next step is to replace the 3/4" plywood ribs with a > piece of 3/4" foam. Then glue all foam into a single block and then start > the final shaping and sanding before starting the fiberglass process. The > final fiberglass will be cast into 5 or 6 pieces depending on the demolding > lines. Once those parts are removed from the plug, I will be recutting the > foam to cast the inner ballast tank parts. > > The forward canards are coming along right in line with story of the > SeaQuestor I am developing for the interaction with children. > > Best Regards, > > David > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 30 01:43:27 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 22:43:27 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seaquestor progress Message-ID: <20190329224327.C069F6E4@m0117459.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 30 02:06:57 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 23:06:57 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seaquestor progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004201d4e6be$c921fe90$5b65fbb0$@telus.net> Brilliant, David. Very cool. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:57 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seaquestor progress Hi guys, I've been cutting a lot of foam over the last month, so I thought I would share the progress. I hope to complete the final foam cutting this weekend. Next step is to replace the 3/4" plywood ribs with a piece of 3/4" foam. Then glue all foam into a single block and then start the final shaping and sanding before starting the fiberglass process. The final fiberglass will be cast into 5 or 6 pieces depending on the demolding lines. Once those parts are removed from the plug, I will be recutting the foam to cast the inner ballast tank parts. The forward canards are coming along right in line with story of the SeaQuestor I am developing for the interaction with children. Best Regards, David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 30 05:24:02 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 09:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Purge Valve In-Reply-To: <98F69637-B822-42DB-A5D6-61666FDCC25A@yahoo.com> References: <84513CC9-6DC2-4867-8F79-041E9C18CF8A@yahoo.com> <1300675181.13894121.1553906280739@mail.yahoo.com> <98F69637-B822-42DB-A5D6-61666FDCC25A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1186905827.13946799.1553937842833@mail.yahoo.com> Alan, I see no reason why that would not work. ?Emile mentioned that the Mantis subs have a very clever water powered arm.Hank On Friday, March 29, 2019, 9:37:08 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,I am using a 36V 750 psi pressure washer pump on my sub for trim & ballastadjustment. It is supposed to have a corrosion proof pump, although wouldneed flushing out after salt water use.I am wondering about the feasibility of using it to power manipulator hydraulicsusing ?water. I had heard that Nuytco had used a water hydraulics system.Are you familiar with that at all, or have any thoughts on this?My maximum operating depth is 500ft so I should have 500psi above my?maximum ambient pressure.Alan On 30/03/2019, at 1:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, same as David, bleeds on both yokesHank On Friday, March 29, 2019, 1:50:14 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks everyone,It might be easiest & safest in my case ( 1 person sub ) to just shut off theBottles & reach inside the hull & bleed air & O2 from there.It saves putting another fitting in line that may leak. Also there may be thePossibility of leaving the purge valve open, although no doubt you would hearIt when you turned the air on!?Alan On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya.Rick On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi, Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. 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Very cool. Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:57 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seaquestor progress ? Hi guys, I've been cutting a lot of foam over the last month,? so I thought I would share the progress. I hope to complete the final foam cutting this weekend.? Next step is to replace the 3/4" plywood ribs with a piece of 3/4" foam. Then glue all foam into a single block and then start the final shaping and sanding before starting the fiberglass process. The final fiberglass will be cast into 5 or 6 pieces depending on the demolding lines. Once those parts are removed from the plug, I will be recutting the foam to cast the inner ballast tank parts. The forward canards are coming along right in line with story of the SeaQuestor I am developing for the interaction with children. 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Cliff On Friday, March 29, 2019, 10:37:46 PM CDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,I am using a 36V 750 psi pressure washer pump on my sub for trim & ballastadjustment. It is supposed to have a corrosion proof pump, although wouldneed flushing out after salt water use.I am wondering about the feasibility of using it to power manipulator hydraulicsusing ?water. I had heard that Nuytco had used a water hydraulics system.Are you familiar with that at all, or have any thoughts on this?My maximum operating depth is 500ft so I should have 500psi above my?maximum ambient pressure.Alan On 30/03/2019, at 1:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, same as David, bleeds on both yokesHank On Friday, March 29, 2019, 1:50:14 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks everyone,It might be easiest & safest in my case ( 1 person sub ) to just shut off theBottles & reach inside the hull & bleed air & O2 from there.It saves putting another fitting in line that may leak. Also there may be thePossibility of leaving the purge valve open, although no doubt you would hearIt when you turned the air on!?Alan On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya.Rick On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi, Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 30 16:21:37 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Steve McQueen via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 16:21:37 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seaquestor progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking good! On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:58 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi guys, I've been cutting a lot of foam over the last month, so I > thought I would share the progress. I hope to complete the final foam > cutting this weekend. Next step is to replace the 3/4" plywood ribs with a > piece of 3/4" foam. Then glue all foam into a single block and then start > the final shaping and sanding before starting the fiberglass process. The > final fiberglass will be cast into 5 or 6 pieces depending on the demolding > lines. Once those parts are removed from the plug, I will be recutting the > foam to cast the inner ballast tank parts. > The forward canards are coming along right in line with story of the > SeaQuestor I am developing for the interaction with children. > Best Regards, > David > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Mar 30 16:39:58 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Hughes via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 20:39:58 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K350 motors and housings - available Message-ID: Folks, Changing over to oil compensated trolling motors. Before I head to recycle, anyone want them? Side thruster motors work, large rear doesn't. In Columbia, Maryland, USA. 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There is little identification on the pump to determine who manufactures it. https://www.karcher.cn/cn-en/home-garden/mobile-cleaning/k-1-battery-pressure-washer-cn-11170510.html I posted a few photos on my Facebook page, but couldn't find you on messenger to link to. It is solid but has plastic fittings on it that can't be changed out. Paul Moorehouse took an interest in it when I posted. It has an over-pressure shut off that I disabled. As a pressure washer when You release the trigger pressure builds up & the motor shuts off. I am going to put in a pressure relief valve instead for manipulator operation. The battery I am using as a systems back up battery. Alan > On 30/03/2019, at 11:19 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan what is the model number and manufacturer of the pump? > > Cliff > > On Friday, March 29, 2019, 10:37:46 PM CDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hank, > I am using a 36V 750 psi pressure washer pump on my sub for trim & ballast > adjustment. It is supposed to have a corrosion proof pump, although would > need flushing out after salt water use. > I am wondering about the feasibility of using it to power manipulator hydraulics > using water. I had heard that Nuytco had used a water hydraulics system. > Are you familiar with that at all, or have any thoughts on this? > My maximum operating depth is 500ft so I should have 500psi above my > maximum ambient pressure. > Alan > > >> On 30/03/2019, at 1:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, same as David, bleeds on both yokes >> Hank >> >> On Friday, March 29, 2019, 1:50:14 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Thanks everyone, >> It might be easiest & safest in my case ( 1 person sub ) to just shut off the >> Bottles & reach inside the hull & bleed air & O2 from there. >> It saves putting another fitting in line that may leak. Also there may be the >> Possibility of leaving the purge valve open, although no doubt you would hear >> It when you turned the air on! >> Alan >> >>> On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Alan, >>> My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya. >>> Rick >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the >>> system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. >>> With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan > On 30/03/2019, at 10:24 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, I see no reason why that would not work. Emile mentioned that the Mantis subs have a very clever water powered arm. > Hank > > On Friday, March 29, 2019, 9:37:08 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hank, > I am using a 36V 750 psi pressure washer pump on my sub for trim & ballast > adjustment. It is supposed to have a corrosion proof pump, although would > need flushing out after salt water use. > I am wondering about the feasibility of using it to power manipulator hydraulics > using water. I had heard that Nuytco had used a water hydraulics system. > Are you familiar with that at all, or have any thoughts on this? > My maximum operating depth is 500ft so I should have 500psi above my > maximum ambient pressure. > Alan > > >> On 30/03/2019, at 1:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, same as David, bleeds on both yokes >> Hank >> >> On Friday, March 29, 2019, 1:50:14 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Thanks everyone, >> It might be easiest & safest in my case ( 1 person sub ) to just shut off the >> Bottles & reach inside the hull & bleed air & O2 from there. >> It saves putting another fitting in line that may leak. Also there may be the >> Possibility of leaving the purge valve open, although no doubt you would hear >> It when you turned the air on! >> Alan >> >>> On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Alan, >>> My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya. >>> Rick >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the >>> system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. >>> With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 2:54 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Cliff, > It comes from a K1, K'Archer 36V lithium battery powered pressure washer. > There is little identification on the pump to determine who manufactures > it. > > https://www.karcher.cn/cn-en/home-garden/mobile-cleaning/k-1-battery-pressure-washer-cn-11170510.html > I posted a few photos on my Facebook page, but couldn't find you on > messenger > to link to. > It is solid but has plastic fittings on it that can't be changed out. > Paul Moorehouse took an interest in it when I posted. > It has an over-pressure shut off that I disabled. As a pressure washer when > You release the trigger pressure builds up & the motor shuts off. > I am going to put in a pressure relief valve instead for manipulator > operation. > The battery I am using as a systems back up battery. > Alan > > [image: image1.JPG] > [image: image2.JPG] > > On 30/03/2019, at 11:19 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan what is the model number and manufacturer of the pump? > > Cliff > > On Friday, March 29, 2019, 10:37:46 PM CDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: > > > Hank, > I am using a 36V 750 psi pressure washer pump on my sub for trim & ballast > adjustment. It is supposed to have a corrosion proof pump, although would > need flushing out after salt water use. > I am wondering about the feasibility of using it to power manipulator > hydraulics > using water. I had heard that Nuytco had used a water hydraulics system. > Are you familiar with that at all, or have any thoughts on this? > My maximum operating depth is 500ft so I should have 500psi above my > maximum ambient pressure. > Alan > > > On 30/03/2019, at 1:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan, same as David, bleeds on both yokes > Hank > > On Friday, March 29, 2019, 1:50:14 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Thanks everyone, > It might be easiest & safest in my case ( 1 person sub ) to just shut off > the > Bottles & reach inside the hull & bleed air & O2 from there. > It saves putting another fitting in line that may leak. Also there may be > the > Possibility of leaving the purge valve open, although no doubt you would > hear > It when you turned the air on! > Alan > > On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan, > My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down > to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the > bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are > looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve > that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and > then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the > one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really > great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and > when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the > gauge port and get that to ya. > Rick > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi, > Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 > from the > system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. > With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. > Alan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If there is no power to the pump, does it lock in place when exposed to pressure or will it freewheel??? Cliff On Saturday, March 30, 2019, 4:54:02 PM CDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Cliff,It comes from a K1, K'Archer 36V lithium battery powered pressure washer.?There is little identification on the pump to determine who manufactures it.https://www.karcher.cn/cn-en/home-garden/mobile-cleaning/k-1-battery-pressure-washer-cn-11170510.htmlI posted a few photos on my Facebook page, but couldn't find you on messengerto link to.It is solid but has plastic fittings on it that can't be changed out.Paul Moorehouse took an interest in it when I posted.It has an over-pressure shut off that I disabled. As a pressure washer whenYou release the trigger pressure builds up & the motor shuts off.I am going to put in a pressure relief valve instead for manipulator operation.The battery I am using as a systems back up battery.Alan On 30/03/2019, at 11:19 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan what is the model number and manufacturer of the pump? Cliff On Friday, March 29, 2019, 10:37:46 PM CDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,I am using a 36V 750 psi pressure washer pump on my sub for trim & ballastadjustment. It is supposed to have a corrosion proof pump, although wouldneed flushing out after salt water use.I am wondering about the feasibility of using it to power manipulator hydraulicsusing ?water. I had heard that Nuytco had used a water hydraulics system.Are you familiar with that at all, or have any thoughts on this?My maximum operating depth is 500ft so I should have 500psi above my?maximum ambient pressure.Alan On 30/03/2019, at 1:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, same as David, bleeds on both yokesHank On Friday, March 29, 2019, 1:50:14 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks everyone,It might be easiest & safest in my case ( 1 person sub ) to just shut off theBottles & reach inside the hull & bleed air & O2 from there.It saves putting another fitting in line that may leak. Also there may be thePossibility of leaving the purge valve open, although no doubt you would hearIt when you turned the air on!?Alan On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya.Rick On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi, Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. 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Before I head to > recycle, anyone want them? Side thruster motors work, large rear doesn't. > In Columbia, Maryland, USA. > > Brian > > https://www.instagram.com/p/BvpGqK2BZQr/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid= > eshjg337tw66 > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Mar 31 20:39:17 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 13:39:17 +1300 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Purge Valve In-Reply-To: <2132487804.14205092.1553995613657@mail.yahoo.com> References: <84513CC9-6DC2-4867-8F79-041E9C18CF8A@yahoo.com> <1300675181.13894121.1553906280739@mail.yahoo.com> <98F69637-B822-42DB-A5D6-61666FDCC25A@yahoo.com> <84973096.13998331.1553941155401@mail.yahoo.com> <2132487804.14205092.1553995613657@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <08D3CCEC-B7ED-4F51-A15A-1FAF9B71B713@yahoo.com> David, Cliff, It cost just under $400 NZ. There are now others on the market like Ryobi. I am not sure if they have the corrosion resistant pump. On Alibaba I found the exact motor & housing for the pump ( no pump) for around $50- .Apart from the other functions like trim & ballast & maybe powering a manipulator, I still have the other parts of the pressure washer so I could use it to clean my sub down from a bucket of water or from a tap if I set it up right. It has an axial piston pump & although you could reverse polarity on the motor the pump will still operate in the same direction. Because of the one way valves it will lock in place if power is off. The flow rate is 4.2 litres / minute. Alan > On 31/03/2019, at 2:26 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Is the pump bidirectional? At max pressure how many GPM will it move? If there is no power to the pump, does it lock in place when exposed to pressure or will it freewheel? > > Cliff > > On Saturday, March 30, 2019, 4:54:02 PM CDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Cliff, > It comes from a K1, K'Archer 36V lithium battery powered pressure washer. > There is little identification on the pump to determine who manufactures it. > https://www.karcher.cn/cn-en/home-garden/mobile-cleaning/k-1-battery-pressure-washer-cn-11170510.html > I posted a few photos on my Facebook page, but couldn't find you on messenger > to link to. > It is solid but has plastic fittings on it that can't be changed out. > Paul Moorehouse took an interest in it when I posted. > It has an over-pressure shut off that I disabled. As a pressure washer when > You release the trigger pressure builds up & the motor shuts off. > I am going to put in a pressure relief valve instead for manipulator operation. > The battery I am using as a systems back up battery. > Alan > > > > >> On 30/03/2019, at 11:19 PM, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan what is the model number and manufacturer of the pump? >> >> Cliff >> >> On Friday, March 29, 2019, 10:37:46 PM CDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Hank, >> I am using a 36V 750 psi pressure washer pump on my sub for trim & ballast >> adjustment. It is supposed to have a corrosion proof pump, although would >> need flushing out after salt water use. >> I am wondering about the feasibility of using it to power manipulator hydraulics >> using water. I had heard that Nuytco had used a water hydraulics system. >> Are you familiar with that at all, or have any thoughts on this? >> My maximum operating depth is 500ft so I should have 500psi above my >> maximum ambient pressure. >> Alan >> >> >>> On 30/03/2019, at 1:38 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Alan, same as David, bleeds on both yokes >>> Hank >>> >>> On Friday, March 29, 2019, 1:50:14 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thanks everyone, >>> It might be easiest & safest in my case ( 1 person sub ) to just shut off the >>> Bottles & reach inside the hull & bleed air & O2 from there. >>> It saves putting another fitting in line that may leak. Also there may be the >>> Possibility of leaving the purge valve open, although no doubt you would hear >>> It when you turned the air on! >>> Alan >>> >>>> On 30/03/2019, at 7:36 AM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> Alan, >>>> My O2 tanks are outside and I have a O2 cleaned 1st stage to knock it down to LP before coming into the sub so I bought a CGA 540 to go onto the bottle and then a bleed fitting that goes to that like I think you are looking for then a machined fitting with O ring like a scuba tank valve that my 1st stage reg attaches to. Go to "thescubadiversstore.com" and then type in the search bar 46335 and it will pull up a bleed part but the one I have does not the have threaded port for a gauge. The guy was really great to work with and good prices as well. This will get you started and when I get to me shop, I'l look up the part number that doesn't have the gauge port and get that to ya. >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:06 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Just wondering if people use / have an external valve to purge air / O2 from the >>>> system to enable the removal of the first stage yoke from the tank. >>>> With a dive set up you just press the second stage purge valve. >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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