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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] email delivery issues - use to be test



Jon - thanks for the soapbox sermon  ;-)   You've enlightened me as to the idiosyncrasies of spam.
 
Regarding your feelings about the Can-Spam act, etc.  The older I get (hopefully the more mature I get) the less I believe in our leadership at almost all levels.  Scary but true.  I believe the middle class is kept just happy and indentured enough to keep the machine well oiled.
 
My soapbox - and a heck of a lot more where that came from.  And that's about MY government.  Don't even get me started on yours  ;-)
 
Subs -oh yeah.
 
Rick L
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] email delivery issues - use to be test

Warning...soapbox ahead.  If you have no interest in email delivery issues, delete now.
 
 
 
Excellent observation and very true.  I have logs from spam filters issuing warnings and rejecting email from legitimate sources such as PSUBS.ORG.  Too many ISP's today are overly zealous regarding spam.  I've seen messages returned because of "remove me" instructions in the mail message.  This is laughable on it's face since the Federal CAN-SPAM act of 2003 requires that removal instructions be attached to mailing lists such as PSUBS.ORG.  So go figure; some people don't get email from PSUBS.ORG because we comply with federal law.
 
Next, those obsessed with a moral conviction to solve the spam problem themselves (and tired of waiting for congress to actually control unsolicited mail) came up with the brilliant idea of "blacklists".  The equivalent of using your shotgun to kill mosquitoes in the backyard.  If your ISP uses a blacklist to control spam, they are lazy...and you can tell them I told you so.
 
The third and final problem, but by far the least justifiable, is the US Congress who don't have the guts to put real anti-spam laws into effect within this country.  The 2003 CAN-Spam Act is a joke, which is why Anti-Spam software is more popular today than it was in 2003 when the law was created.  How many unsolicited emails do you get every day that don't have the required compliance text attached to it?
 
The problem that people like Shawn have is that 99% of spam filtering works on receipt of email to their mailbox, not on delivery of email to someplace else.  So it is very probable that Shawn can send email to PSUBS.ORG, but not get email in return.  This really confuses people because they figure if they can send mail to a particular site, they should be able to receive mail as well.  Hence, we receive the occasional email "Let me know if you get this message.  I haven't heard from PSUBS in weeks".  This is particularly the case for ISP's that use blacklists.  Blacklist filtering is done at the system level and users may not be aware that this filtering is occurring.
 
 
The PSUBS.ORG mailing list is up and running 99.9% of the time (ok, maybe 99%).  If we drop a hard-drive and have to rebuild the system, it may be down for a day or two at most.  If we do some reconfiguration, the list may be down for an hour or two.  But in general over the past 10 years, the software has been very stable.  So the problem is not generally due to the server or software (I know I just jinxed myself and a major problem will occur within the next week.  everyone please knock on wood NOW).
 
 
Here are a few other reasons why you may not get mail from the mailing list.
 
1) Nobody is writing anything.  The list does go quiet from time to time.
 
2) You were removed for being a pest.  Extremely rare.  In 10 years, I think we've deliberately blocked two people.  If you haven't been in a heated debate recently, received a dozen emails from other people asking you to stop, or received an email from Ray or Jon asking you to stop (and you told us to go screw); then this does not apply to you. 
 
3) You may have been removed from the list because a message couldn't be delivered to you.  This can happen if you have limited email space and your disk allotment is full, or your server was down when email from PSUBS.ORG was being delivered to you, or because your ISP uses a blacklist that has erroneously listed us as sending spam, or any number of other reasons.  Basically, if for any reason our server cannot deliver email to your server, we get an error message in return.  I run an automated software suite that goes through the undeliverable email and removes those email addresses from the mailing list.  Why?  Because everytime anyone else sends a message to the list, an attempt is made to deliver to you and we get an error message in return.  With about 200 people on the mailing list, this can result in a lot of wasted bandwidth due to a problem with your server.  So we delete you from the list, and when the problem is resolved on your end, you can simply re-register to the list.  I don't like this approach, but I really don't have an alternative.  I can't notify you because I can't reach your server, and I can't absorb the potential amount of traffic that results between the two servers trying to connect.
 
4) Spam filtering on your end is rejecting email from us.  If the spam software is set correctly, at worst the email should be showing up in a special folder put aside for you where you can visually confirm whether the email is spam or not, and adjust your spam rules accordingly.  If you are not running spam-filtering, ask your ISP if they are and if so, ask if they are blocking PSUBS.ORG or it's associate IP address.  They can use "nslookup" to find the IP address and then check to see if they are filtering it.  This server NEVER sends spam.  All our mailing lists are legitimate and comply with the Federal CAN-SPAM act of 2003.  It is a requirement, not an option.  This is why you see the compliance text at the end of every message.  Therefore, there is no reason for any ISP anywhere in the USA to be filtering email from this server.  If they are, you'll need to resolve the issue with them since complying with federal law is all we can do to prove our email distribution is legitimate.
 
 
Hope this helps explain the situation a little bit.
Jon
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Paul Kreemer
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:30 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] test

Seems like spam filters often end up being the problem  - I check my Spam folder every week or so.

Paul