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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] They're Just "Guidelines" !



Jon,
         I went to the Coast Guard web site and checked out some of the regs.  They pretty much cover every possibility, they don't really address subs as such, but they do talk about diving operations,  mainly correct signal lights and locations of dive sites.  They do mention Lloyds and ABS as referring to them as a certifying agency and that they recognize them.
 
Brian
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Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 08:57
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] They're Just "Guidelines" !

Brian,
 
I suppose that would be one way of doing it.  But you might try calling first to see if they believe they have jurisdiction or requirements for submersible operation.  Perhaps more information would be helpful regarding your definition of "human occupancy".  You don't need certification from anyone if you're just using the sub for yourself or taking passengers for free.  If you want paying passengers, then I think you'll need Coast Guard certification for the vessel and a "captain" certification from them.  It's been a long time since I had my boat, but I believe those were the conditions for a vessel that was "for hire".  Of course, that only applies to waterways in which the Coast Guard has jurisdiction.  You don't need ABS certification unless you are looking for insurance on the vessel.  In that case, I assume the insurance company would dictate who they required to perform the inspection for certification.
 
I don't have a definitive answer for you Brian.  Just recalling some of the issues I've heard about in the past.
 
Jon
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Brian Cox
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:02 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] They're Just "Guidelines" !

Jon,
         So you just motor up to the coast guard dock with your 50'  X 8' dia concrete sub and say " I need my sticker"  ?    I'm sure they would have no idea what they were looking at.   But I guess if you had all of your floatation devices, flares, anchor, radio, they would pass you.  What do you think?
 
Brian
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Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 15:03
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] They're Just "Guidelines" !

Hi Brian,
 
Wouldn't the coast guard be the guiding authority?
 
Jon
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Brian Cox
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 4:22 PM
To: Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] They're Just "Guidelines" !

I have a hypothetical question concerning pressure vessels for human occupancy.  What if the material that is being used is not addressed in the "guidelines" in the PVHO handbook?  The material I'm thinking of is concrete, would certification by an engineer as to the strength of the material suffice ?  
 
Also say a pressure vessel for human occupancy was built and say that this pressure vessel was only going to be lowered in and out of the water with a crane.  If the pressure vessel was certified by a qualified engineer would that be different than Lloyds of London or the ABS certifying a submarine?  Doug Farrow, any thoughts on this?
 
Brian Cox