Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Overpowered?

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From:  Bob Duncan <katsurencho@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Overpowered?
Date:  Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:16:35 -0700 (PDT)

Kingsvile, Texas, i was with VT-23



Bob

Joseph Perkel <joeperkel@hotmail.com> wrote:



Thomas,



Thank you again for the link, I will look it over in depth shortly. Good guess on the tiles,... hope I don't need to worry about NIS knocking on the door. :)

">If you don't mind me asking, how are you going to apply a nose cone
>mounting ring to a psub mod?"

Just keeping my eyes open for various options to securely attach composite saddle, and or larger, MBTs to an existing K350 hull for coastal diving. Just filing away ideas in my mind as I note them until such time as I learn enough in marine design / naval architecture, in order to do so properly.

Fascinating stuff this military
sub business. I went to the Orlando boot camp in 1978, and passed on the offer for sub service. I ended up an Airedale instead..NAS Kingsville Texas the entire 4 years...damn boring.

Thanks again

Joe




From:  "Thomas Doster" <thomas.doster@gmail.com>
Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Overpowered?
Date:  Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:37:39 -0400
>All I really would care to say about acoustics, is that those boats
>employ a lot of methods to keep them quiet, and the tiles aren't
>padding for when they hit whales.
>
>One of
the more accurate depictions of a Los Angeles-class
>submarines
>in movies, is The Hunt for Red October. A lot more of the hideous
>mint
>green color on the inside though. Or if you're intersted in seeing
>the
>real deal:
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/subsecrets/inside.html
>If you're curious about what you see in the galley, YES those are
>slushie machines, and YES they really do put them on LA-class subs.
>That would be a nice psub mod!!!
>
>If you don't mind me asking, how are you going to apply a nose cone
>mounting ring to a psub mod? As far as I understand most psubs are
>small enough where one could simply lift up their own fiberglass
>pieces by hand... Unless it's not fiberglass you're mounting?
>
>As far as the loss of Scorpion, I have no information on that. It's
>a
>little before my time. I do know that, allegedly, many times during
>the
cold war, boats would come in for dent repairs on their hull or
>nose. It was from playing cat-and-mouse games with the Russians.
>They'd just stop their propulsion system outright, and our boats
>would
>do the same. Being more efficient machines, our boats would glide
>right into them. Sometimes, it would happen the other way, too. From
>what I understand, those boats follow each other VERY close.
>
>For anyone designing a sub, I think learning about military subs is
>a
>good idea. A lot of those boats are simply redundant systems, and
>good
>engineering.
>
>On 7/23/06, Joseph Perkel <joeperkel@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Fascinating read Thomas..thank you. I noted in one of the pictures
>>what
>>appears reminiscent of the thermal tiles on a shuttle. Knowing zero
>>about
>>military subs, I am assuming
these are acoustic related in some
>>manner.
>>
>>
>>I found the nose cone mounting ring something of particular
>>interest for me
>>with regard to a psub modification I am contemplating...a good
>>lead...thanks
>>again.
>>
>>
>>
>>The author in one of the posts, (if I read him correctly), eludes
>>to the
>>loss of Scorpion being as a result of a cold war encounter in mid
>>ocean with
>>a soviet sub (supposedly also lost), rather than resulting from a
>>"hot run"
>>torpedo. Is there any truth to this...or is this conspiracy theory
>>bobo
>>nonsense?
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>  ________________________________
>>
>>From:  "Thomas Doster"
<thomas.doster@gmail.com>
>>Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>>To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>>Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Overpowered?
>>Date:  Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:12:33 -0400
>>
>> >If you notice the railings set up on top of the boat, you can see
>> >how
>> >badly the steel buckled at the top. I've seen more pictures of
>>this
>> >at
>> >work, and let me tell you, it got messed up something bad.
>> >
>> ><a
>> >href="">http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08711.htm</a>
>> >
>> >Some of those are worth checking out. It's more of the USS San
>> >Francisco (SSN-711). The ones of it pulling into port after the
>> >accident show that the nose is lower than
the tail. Usually when
>> >those
>> >boats are fully surfaced, the nose rides just a little higher
>>than
>> >the
>> >tail. The reason for the change is because of the damaged ballast
>> >tank(s) on the forward end.
>> >
>> ><a
>> >href="">http://educate-yourself.org/pnl/ssn771A30jan05.shtml</a>
>> >
>> >This is a good read about the incident. He makes a good point as
>>to
>> >how he knew the pictures weren't photoshopped. The mint green
>>color
>> >inside the tanks is quite hideous, and nobody doctoring a photo
>> >would
>> >think to make it that color had they not been inside one of those
>> >tanks.
>> >
>> >But as far as design goes, he makes other good points about
the
>> >ballast tanks on 688 class boats. The way they're divided helps
>>out
>> >quite a bit in situations like this one.
>> >
>> >
>> >On 7/22/06, Joseph Perkel <joeperkel@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Had read about this accident last year but, never did see any
>> >>pictures. This
>> >>gives a little visual perspective to the speed capabilities of
>> >>these guys.
>> >>
>> >>http://www.ngnews.com/news/2005/02/0201_050201_pin_submarine.html
>> >>
>> >>Joe
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