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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention Emergancy Dive Plan
Hi All,
Ok, ok. The "pilot in command" controls his own
destiny.
But you just know that if something goes wrong there
will be 20 uncorrdinated folks just iching to help. I
wanted to some how put a lid on the kaos.
Regards,
Ray
--- Jon Wallace <jon@psubs.org> wrote:
> Ray,
>
> I agree with Joe and the "pilot in command"
> precedent. Each sub pilot
> should be responsible for their own safety including
> securing divers
> services if they believe that is necessary. We
> don't have the authority to
> dictate terms to sub-owners or enforce penalties if
> such terms were violated
> even after the owner/pilot had agreed to such. Such
> rules may not even be
> practical since conditions can change and for their
> own safety pilots may
> not be able to adhere to those agreed upon rules.
>
> Having one dive master in charge of multiple subs
> over a span of 100 yards,
> seems to me to be an impossible task. Especially if
> water conditions and
> visibility are low. If all the subs are at
> different depths, how do you
> communicate with them? What if a sub is below safe
> diving limits? If a
> structured dive were required, the only resonable
> way to approach it would
> be that only one sub dive at a time so that the
> safety crew would be able to
> concentrate on that sub alone.
>
> Once you start defining a "safety plan", liability
> becomes a big issue.
> PSUBS should sponsor conventions, meetings, and even
> static sub-displays.
> But sub diving and any risks associated with it
> should be the sole
> responsibility of the owner/pilot with clear
> knowledge that they do it at
> their own risk. Let the sub owners coordinate
> amoungst themselves prior to
> the dive, acceptable distances between vessels and
> entry/exit times.
>
> Regarding the convention dates, I second Al Secor's
> request for a change in
> dates. I'd like to see the convention return to the
> August timeframe. As
> Al commented, there are lots of things happening at
> the end of June.
>
> Jon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On
> Behalf Of Ray Keefer
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:27 PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention Emergancy Dive
> Plan
>
>
> Hi,
>
> There are already initial discussions on the for the
> 2007 PSUBS Convention itenary. Location is in
> Michigan
> and dates are:
>
> Friday, 29 June 2007
> Saturday, 30 June 2007
> Sunday, 01 July 2007
>
> Which gives us plenty of time to discuss an aspect
> of
> the 2006 convention that bothered me.
>
> While the dive operations went well, what would of
> happened if there was an incedent? On Saturday there
> were ten of us on a pontoon boat while Alec and Les
> were diving their subs. So if a problem did occur
> who
> would coordinate rescue? By the time that was sorted
> out, consensus was taken and plan of action
> chosen...someone could of drowned.
>
> While pandemonium was ensuing a few heros would of
> jumped in. Would there of been enough coordination
> to
> assist their individual efforts? Or would the result
> of been additional folks at risk?
>
> I could go on. My intent with this email is to start
> dialog on what a reasonable plan should be. Below
> are
> my intitial thoughts on how I see the Convention
> Emergancy Dive Plan (CEDP) should be set up.
>
> Convention Emergancy Dive Plan (CEDP)
>
> 1. Dive Master
>
> 1. One individual is dive master.
> 2. He stays at the dive site and on the surface
> unless formally spelled by another individual. Hand
> off has to be clear.
> 3. Before diving the sub driver must notify Dive
> Master.
> 4. Upon surfacing the sub driver must notify Dive
> Master.
> 5. No more then 5 subs diving at any one time.
> Too
> many subs would overwhelm the Dive Master and a sub
> in
> trouble might get overlooked for too long.
> 6. All subs to dive within a 100 yards of each
> other and Dive Master. Junior or Deputy Dive Masters
> to be managing submersible diving outside Dive
> Master's immediate area. After all the Dive Master
> can
> only keep a situational awareness so far out.
>
> 2. Once an emergancy is stated,
> Dive Master is the go to person to clear actions.
>
> 3. First Action
>
> First action of Dive Master is to delcare all diving
> operations suspended. All none effected subs have to
> surface, open hatch and stay there. The only
> exception
> would be if a sub actually was in visual contact
> with
> the stricken vessel. In which case visual contact is
> important to maintain.
>
> 4. Rescue Dive Teams.
>
> Rescue divers need to be paired. Just like you do
> for
> normal diving operations. One team needs to be ready
> to get into the water within a minute of declared
> emergancy. A second team within ten minutes.
>
> 5. Rescue Dive Team Actions
>
> 1. Locate strickened vessel.
> 2. Establish communication with occupant.
> 3. Assess nature of emergancy.
> 4. If possible follow Owner Emergancy Procdure
> for
> that sub.
> 5. Invoke Plan B if Owner Emergancy Procedure
> doesn't work.
>
> 6. Owner Emergancy Procedures (sub save thy self)
>
> 1. Each sub owner should document emergancy
> procedures.
> 2. A copy of each document to be given to Dive
> Master and reviewed by Recue Divers.
> 3. Details in procedure must include what outside
> divers can do to bring sub to surface and open
> hatch.
>
> 7. Plan B Procedures (PSUBS dive team attempt to
> save
> sub)
>
> 1. Bleed scuba tanks into MBT to force sub up.
> 2. Have cutting tools to free sub from
> entanglement.
> 3. Have lift bags on hand. Enough to lift 5 tons
> or
> twice the biggest sub in attendance.
> 4. Have enough scuba tanks on hand to fill MBTs
> and
> lift bags down to operational depth of area. Or at
> least maximum scuba diving depth. Approximately 160
> feet.
> 5. First aid kit on site by Dive Master.
> 6. Closest Decompression Chamber identified.
> 7. Local Emergancy numbers compiled.
> 8. Local Hospital identified.
>
> 8. Required Equipment in/on Subs
>
> Requiring people to invest into a set of required
> equipment will smack hard against some of our more
> individual owners. Not to mention their pocket
> books.
> Still needs discussion.
>
> 1. Underwater telephones.
> 2. Bouys.
> 1. Emergancy release. Good enough? Only
> release
> when you get into trouble. Assuming one remembers or
> is able to do so.
> 2. Continous tethered float. On one dive Alec
>
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