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Re: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] NEWS ARTICLE: For sub hobbyists, smugglers' craft is subpar



I want to go to school for Electrical Engineering but can't afford it
right now... so in the meantime I weld on Los Angeles-class
submarines!

I think people here were all generally tinkerers of some sort, before
they even got inspired to get building/planning/designing a PSub... I
personally have been tinkering with electronics since I was 6 years
old. I always had some fascination with submarines, but never thought
about building one myself until I learned how to weld. I didn't really
think about it realistically until I started welding on submarines.

And in response to NP's reply to Mr. Huffman: very well said.

On 12/2/06, Nomdae Plume <nomdae@hotmail.com> wrote:



James:

I read some of the other replies, and I'm not sure if you meant the L/W
ratio of submarines in general or specifically to the Nautilus from the
Disney movie.

If you meant the latter, the ratio of L/W is roughly 5.5:1

-- NP



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From:  James Huffman <grandadmiraldonitz@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] NEWS ARTICLE: For sub hobbyists, smugglers'
craft is subpar
Date:  Sat, 2 Dec 2006 07:27:31 -0800 (PST)




Got to love 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea.  Here is a question.  In the width
to length.  What is the submarine ratio of width to length?

James


Ray Keefer <psubs2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Oops,

Sorry, I didn't.

Anyone mention Disney's "20,000 Leagues Under the
Sea"? That is the other common factor I have seen in
this group.

Regards,
Ray

--- "George H. Slaterpryce III"
wrote:

> First time I've been quoted on anything, I was
> actually surprised she
> contacted me, but I still feel all warm and fuzzy
> anyway. The Cousteau quote
> was spot on! Ten bucks says everyone she emailed
> talked about him in one
> form or another.
>
> George H. Slaterpryce III
>
www.captovis.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Perkel"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] NEWS ARTICLE: For sub
> hobbyists, smugglers'
> craft is subpar
>
>
> >
> > "We all watched way too many Cousteau
> movies as kids."
> >
> > ....Yes Sir Alec, you've got that right!!..... A
> real Cousteau buff will
> > remember this episode....
> >
> > "Octopus..Octopus..poor little Octopus.......why
> do you look so sad?"
> >
> >
> > Well done to those quoted!!! The press did a good
> job with this one!
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Jay K. Jeffries"

> >>Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >>To:
> >>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] NEWS ARTICLE: For sub
> hobbyists, smugglers' craft
> >>is subpar
> >>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:01:47 -0500
> >>
> >>Found this in a link to the Pittsburgh Gazette.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Respectfully,
> >>
> >>Jay K. Jeffries
> >>
> >>Andros Is., Bahamas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to
> entertain a thought
> >>without
> >>accepting it.
> >> -
>
> Aristotle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>> For sub hobbyists, smugglers' craft is subpar
> >>
> >>
> >>Thursday, November 30, 2006
> >>
> >>By Jennifer Saranow, The Wall Street Journal
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>This month, the Coast Guard detained four men who
> were allegedly trying to
> >>smuggle 3.5 tons of cocaine meant for the U.S.
> News accounts of the Nov.
> >>16
> >>bust, about 90 miles southwest of Costa Rica,
> described their unusual
> >>vessel
> >>as a 50-foot homemade fiberglass submarine.
> >>
> >>That caught the attention of a busy netherworld of
> hobbyists who build
> >>submarines in their garages.
> >>
> >>"The captured drug-sub appears to be amateurish in
> construction and not
> >>nearly as seaworthy as the subs we h! ave
seen,
> designed and built," said
> >>Jon
> >>Wallace, a software engineer for Hewlett-Packard
> in Weare, N.H. In 1996 he
> >>cofounded the Personal Submersibles Organization,
> which now counts about
> >>13,000 visitors per month to its Web site,
> psubs.org.
> >>
> >>"Semi-submersible at best," sniffed another critic
> in a posting on the
> >>group's site.
> >>
> >>After reading reports and seeing photographs of
> the captured vessel,
> >>hobbyists concluded that the gray drug craft was
> crudely constructed and
> >>not
> >>a serious attempt at building a submarine. Some
> said it was more a boat
> >>meant to blend into the water, skim just below the
> surface, travel long
> >>distances and avoid radar detection. A giveaway
> was that ! it was
made of
> >>fiberglass -- which is generally not a good
> material for building a
> >>submersible vessel, they say. It also had a
> squarish design rather than
> >>the
> >>cylindrical shape required to withstand pressure
> and stress.
> >>
> >>Law-enforcement agencies from Colombia to
> California are increasingly
> >>worried about drug-stuffed submarines slinking
> along beneath the seas. "We
> >>are out there actively searching for these," says
> Capt. Thomas Cullen,
> >>chief
> >>of response for the U.S. Coast Guard 11th District
> based in Alameda,
> >>Calif.,
> >>which oversaw the boarding and seizing of the
> vessel off Costa Rica. It
> >>was
> >>the first manned sub-like vehicle seized by the
> U.S., according to Capt.
> >>! Cullen.
Authorities in Colombia have seized a
> couple of homemade subs in
> >>the
> >>past two years.
> >>
> >>Costa Rican authorities say that the vessel seized
> this month was
> >>gasoline-powered, and that it traveled just below
> the surface with the
> >>crew
> >>using snorkel-type tubes to breathe. "Certainly
> these guys are not PSUBS
> >>regulars. Gasoline engines in a submersible are
> no-nos," wrote Ray Keefer,
> >>45 years old, a computer test engineer in Gaston,
> Ore., and co-founder of
> >>the group. Gasoline engines would be dangerous in
> a submarine. The Coast
> >>Guard says its reports indicate the seized craft
> had a diesel engine.
> >>
> >>Mr. Keefer and others believe the captured vessel
> should more accurately
> >>be
>
>>called a "David boat," a type of torpedo boat used
> during the Civil War
> >>that
> >>operated mostly underwater with only its
> smokestack and a few inches of
> >>hull
> >>visible above the surface. "Mostly underwater but
> not a submersible," he
> >>wrote.
> >>
> >>James Huffman, 28, a warehouse laborer in Tacoma,
> Wash., and submarine
> >>history buff who first got interested in
> submarines while playing the "Up
> >>Periscope!" computer game in eighth grade, says
> the craft reminded him of
> >>the gasoline- and battery-powered USS Holland from
> around 1900, the U.S.
> >>Navy's first commissioned submarine.
> >>
> >>Man's fascination with exploring the underwater
> world dates back at least
> >>to
> >>Alexander the Great, ! who
according to legend
> descended beneath the waves
> >>in
> >>some kind of glass globe. Experimentation with
> underwater craft continued
> >>in
>
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