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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hard ballast tanks.



Good points Gene. I think the goal i've been striving for is to make my sub as autonomous as possible. It's more of a personal achievement kind of thing for me than a truely practical one. AS a kid, i never said to myself "i want to be a SUBMERSIBLE captain"... it was always SUBMARINE. In a full size diesel electric, all you would ever need would be food and fuel. Leaving the diesel part out, (but retaining the electric compressor and batt chargers) all you would need is electricty and food. for me, that means that ANY large vessel can be a support craft as all i would require would be somewhere to plug in an extension cord. Adding and subtracting lead, you may find yourself asking "excuse me, do you have any lead i can borrow?" Kind of an extreme silly example i know, but i think you get the picture.
-kory






From: HUNTR2@aol.com
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hard ballast tanks.
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 03:16:41 EST

Hi Kori,
Welcome to the group.  I, also live in the "land of fruits and  nuts!"
I think you have it understood pretty well. I also want to have the option of increasing buoyancy to neutral with a shot of air to purge the hard trim ballast tank a little if I take on additional weight. Additional weight could
be from accidentally letting too much water in the trim ballast  or picking
something up with the manipulator arm. If you don't have an air purge capable
hard trim tank, then the only option is to put some air in  the MBT.  Once
you do that, neutral buoyancy becomes a challenge if you want to descend or
ascend very much without surfacing.

Yes, to have larger hard trim ballast tanks is doable, just more structure
and plumbing required. They can be inside or outside the hull. If they are inside, they have to handle internal pressure safely. If outside the hull, they better be able to withstand the external crush pressure or have automatic
pressure compensating air available.  If a large one  crushed at depth, the
results could be scary and perhaps tragic.

It's interesting to note that those with actual pilot experience aren't
saying that large TB tanks are important. Leaving lead at home means you have a smaller internal sub to start with and having large trim ballast tanks to use
when taking passengers just makes the sub larger (greater  displacement) to
handle the extra load. The space in the tanks is not functional for living or using for anything but buoyancy, weather you are using them or not. In effect, what you have done is limit usable internal space in single person mode in exchange for not carrying lead. If you're pulling a 5000 lb submersible,
another 180 lbs of lead isn't too big of a  deal.   (Less than 1% of the
total weight).

Gene
Central Ca.

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