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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lengthwise internal supports



Hello Cliff, i don4t see a problem for T4s, just do what i did, get a flat bar and roll two pieces for each ring, the first ring will be rolled vertically and the second horizontaly, then weld these two rings together and you got your T, flat bars are cheaper than angles and getting them to the size you need will save you a lot of cutting and make your job easier, for example, i4m building a k-350 from kittredge4s plans and for the t4s i have used
1 1/2" x 1/4" flat bar, to calculate the cutting long for each piece of flat bar just multiply your hull diameter by 3.1416 and your set, if you want a photo of these Ts let me know, i4ll send it tou you. Regards
 
 

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Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lengthwise internal supports
From: "Cliff McDonald" <cmcdonald@applikonusa.com>
Date: Thu, August 11, 2005 2:34 pm
To: "Personal_Submersibles" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>

Hello psubbers,

Thanks everyone for the replies.  I’ll go with the rings one way or another.  I have a question about making them.  When you start with the flat bar, how do you get the ends to curl on the same radius as the rest of the band?  I’m thinking I will have to come up with rollers at least 6” OD.  That would mean both ends of the bar will have a couple of inches that aren’t rolled.  Do you cut the bar extra long, roll it to desired radius and then trim it to length to get a fully rolled piece?  Daniel I sure would appreciate any pictures you may have of the rings, especially if you took any during the process of making them.  Also would appreciate anyone with pictures or dimensions and specifications on the rolling fixtures.  This sounds like something that’s going to take a little time to put together and get used to working with.  Of course, it would have to be something that has to be done early in the project and can’t wait till later.  I do, however,  appreciate the fact that I will be doing it myself and learning another aspect of metal-smithing in the process. 

Thanks as Always and Kind Regards,

Cliff McDonald

 

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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of daniel@tordaca.com
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:57 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lengthwise internal supports

 

 

 

I've got another mechanical engineering question for you:

 

I've been trying to think of a way to simplify the internal bracing on a cylindrical pressure hull.  The 'T" rings that are commonly used for internal stiffening seem to be a difficult part to make and I can't find a good (cheap) source for them.  There are plenty of fabricators that would love to make several of them when I'm ready but the cost for this is greater than the total cost of a rolled cylinder and the endcap / bulkheads (which I can fab myself).  I could reduce cost by cutting small sections of the 'flat ring" portion out of sheet steel, and try to roll the bands myself but this is going to take a lot of cutting, welding and piecing together.  I think the total strength of a pieced together T-stiffener would be compromised as well.

 

Has anyone ever run the majority of internal bracing lengthwise through a cylinder?  Since the main portion of the pressure hull is a straight cylinder, it would be pretty easy to run some ordinary channel or angle iron the length of the cylinder.  Spaced about a foot apart and with internal bulkheads spaced at reasonable distances (for example, one bulkhead centered in a 48" OD by 96" long cylinder), I think this would be as strong as T-rings spaced every foot.  It would be much easier to build and weld, should reduce flexing and twisting, and would make length wise tubing and wiring runs tuck away a little neater. 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks and Kind Regards,

Cliff McDonald

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