----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005
10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] o2
control
In support of Hugo's response, Keep It Safe and Simple
(and cheap) - The KISS formula.
Taught to every first year engineering
student.
The metre shown below is dead easy to
use (no pun intended). There is a little black ball that floats up
the graduated glass tube. You want 4 litres? Turn the little
knobby until the black ball floats up to "4" and, well,
breathe.
Air fouled in the cabin? Slip an
oral/nasal mask onto the nipple that screws onto the threaded fitting at
the bottom. The nipple costs, oh, about $0.25 USD
:-) I'm sure they'll throw that in.
The metre too far from the cockpit seat for the mask? Run an 02
extension line (about $1.00) from the flowmetre to the instrument
panel. Plug your mask in there. Hell, forget the buck - I'll acquire one for you and mail it to
you.
Broken? Unscrew it by hand from your
wall mount. Really broken? Replace it for $51
USD.
No computer, no electronics, no power supply,
no software failures, NADA NADA NADA.
Enjoy
Rick L
Vancouver
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005
11:49 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] o2
control
Hey guys,
I assume that just about everyone here is
limited in funds to build your sub. The more complex systems are their
likelihood to fail is higher and the cost of repair is equally
expensive. An O2 System does not have to be so complex, all you need is
a needle valve in series with a flow gauge (calibrated for O2) for you
to set the proper flow. There are all kinds of portable O2 monitors that
you can get for $200 bucks and that is what you use to keep an eye on
your O2. They even have Low and high and low level alarm settings which
if set properly will give you plenty of time to adjust your O2
flow.
In my personal experience with many
submersibles I have yet to see an automatic computer-controlled O2
system aboard any of the submersibles that I have worked with. And the
comments I have heard from the ones that do have it is that they are a
pain in the ass to maintain. I am not against it as I am a tech junkie
myself. However one must ask the question..... Is this really necessary?
Do I really need it? Or is it just a gadget I like?
The JSL sphere is roughly 55 cuft and I rarely
ever have to make an adjustment to the O2 system. I have even turned off
the O2 to see how long it takes to trigger a low alarm (Ours is set at
19%) and it takes about 30 minutes to drop 2%. However, it is a good
piloting practice to monitor your instruments constantly (every 5
minutes is a good ballpark figure). I guarantee that this practice alone
will keep you out of trouble and on top of your life support system
with very little maintenance..
Any ways, just a thought...
Hugo
brian
the sensors that you are
looking for are teledyne analytical instruments
class r-22d, o2 sensors. they put out a
milli volt singal directly perporsional to the amount of o2
present the average output is 7-13 mv in air at stp. the need to
be loaded with a 10k resister. Measure the output with a milli volt
meterany kind will do. if the voltage drops ten percent you know
that your o2 levels droped ten percent.
o2 control can be done
three ways.
1.o2 level monitoring
with a solinoid for injection
pros
hands off automatic control
cons
expensive and complex
2. automatic pressure
controller maintain sub internal pressure to a fixed
point
pro
single controller all mechaincal/ about half price of
electrical
con
compressed air leak internal inside sub will shut down
system
3. adjustable flow
controller manual
pro
cheapest
con
requires continous monitoring
hope that this helped for your design
ideas
rick
m