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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Speaking of 1ATM construction...




Yes Carsten, I intuitively know their is a limit to what an internal combustion engine can tolerate in atmospheric positive pressure extremes but, I can not explain it. Your explanation appears right on track. Go the other way, negative pressure, and it stops breathing.

Joe


From:  Carsten Standfuss <Merlinsub@t-online.de>
Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Speaking of 1ATM construction...
Date:  Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:35:40 +0100
>The backpressure in a dry ambient is for the motor maye not the
>problem.. but..
>
>Imagine you motor compress the air with a ratio of 1:20.
>
>On the surface:
>Inlet 1 atm , cylinder head compressed say to 20 atm, outlet 1atm
>That means inside the engine 20 bar wants to lift the cylinder head
>against 1 bar on top of it  - 19 atm difference right ?
>
>In a dray ambient in 20 meter deep (60foot)
>Inlet 2 atm, clyinder compress that to 2 x 20 = 40 bar, outlet 2atm.
>40 bar inside the cylinder against 2 bar on top of the head = 38 atm
>difference on the head - right ?
>
>I think the cylinderhead will fly away..
>But I am not an engine man and maybe I am wrong..
>
>regards Carsten
>
>
>Nomdae Plume schrieb:
> >
> > Thanks Joe.  Backpressure was something I thought about after I sent
> > the email, but I presumed that since the engine is only having to work
> > against the differential pressure to force out the exhaust, then it
> > should be able to run underwater. However, that's my own guess.
> >
> > Heck, you could even set up a mechanical linkage between an airvalve
> > and the throttle to dump extra air into the engine bay if
> > it's running. Add a solonoid that automatically activates it when the
> > snorkel is closed, and your engine bay gets a shot of air when the
> > boat dips just below snorkel depth.
> >
> > Let us know what Yanmar has to say.  Inquiring minds want to know. ;-)
> >
> > NP
> >
> >      ------------------------------------------------------------
> >      From: "Joseph Perkel" <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
> >      Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >      To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >      Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Speaking of 1ATM
> >      construction...
> >      Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:09:12 +0000
> >
> >      NP
> >
> >      Carsten mentioned something recently regarding Spurdog
> >      starting the diesel at depth to blow ballast with the
> >      exhaust but, as you noted, this is in a 1 atm boat. (Same as
> >      sea level). Too much negative pressure is not a good thing
> >      either.
> >
> >      In my ambient, I am anticipating exhaust backpressure issues
> >      to be resolved, partly by routing the exhaust up high in the
> >      sail. This is a potential deal killer for the 14 hp engine
> >      and I have yet to receive an answer from Yanmar on the
> >      subject.
> >
> >      Joe
> >
> >           --------------------------------------------------
> >           From: "Nomdae Plume" <nomdae@hotmail.com>
> >           Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >           To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >           Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Speaking of 1ATM
> >           construction...
> >           Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:35:21 +0000
> >
> >           Will a diesel engine run in a pressurized
> >           environment?  For example: If I had a 1ATM boat,
> >           and for some reason needed to run it at depth,
> >           (aside from the obvious huge consumption of air)
> >           would the engine run at all?
> >
> >           NP
> >
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