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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Xubmersibles (was: Escape Mockup)

Rick,
I suspect this can be attributed to the psychology of (1) a confined space, and (2) the possibility of drowning in same. I find my own lower limit diameter wise,... is a K-350. The thought of squeezing into Sgt Peppers is a bit unnerving.
I don't think the pressure and risk of implosion bothers laymen so much,.... ask most people what one atm of pressure =, and they will likely not know. It's the image of being trapped like a drowned rat that makes people queasy about subs.
The ultra light analogy is a risk where basic physics is in your favor. A feather-light aircraft with an engine out, but still controllable airframe is quite an acceptable risk for a competent airman.
A bungee jumper, on the other hand, relies less on personal ability, but more so on complete faith in the mechanical integrity of the bungee and attachments.
Where PSUBS are concerned, I firmly believe, that if the vessel is sound and maintained so, then the risk is directly proportional to the manner in which it is operated. 

Joe







From: "Rick and Marcia" <empiricus@telus.net>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Xubmersibles (was: Escape Mockup)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:41:45 -0700
Funny how that looks to others . . . I have to agree that love - and art - is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.
Echoing Patrick's observations, a friend of mine used to be an aerial photographer and shot from an ultralight. No parachute, no second chance. He turned into a glider pilot eight times over his career - eight engine-outs for one reason or another, all of them not his fault (believe it or not).
He looks at me like I'm out of my mind - thinks just being u/w is outlandishly dangerous. Hates boats with a passion. Go figure. 

A submarine?  Are you out of your mind?

Rick L


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Patrick
  To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:00 AM
  Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Xubmersibles (was: Escape Mockup)


  To put it in further perspective;
  There have been many people in my peer group and at work whom
  have bungee jumped, skydived, raced cars, flown small craft, etc.
  whose jaw drops when they find out that yes, I have indeed piloted
  a mini-sub and plan to build one.

  -patrick

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: James Kocourek
    To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
    Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 6:21 AM
    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Escape Mockup
I could'nt agree with you more Frank. As a former Dirt track racer, I've known some people who were seriously hurt and one who isn't here because of their chosen sport - none that I talked to would change if they could replay, I also am hoping to come out on the top side of this challenge - but if not - It sure beats watching TV. 

    Sadly, Most live entire lives and never push the envelope!

    Great thoughts - Well said - Frank,

    Jim Kocourek
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: ShellyDalg@aol.com
      To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
      Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 12:03 AM
      Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Escape Mockup


      I'm not all that humble, but I'll tell you what I believe.
The bulk of the men involved in this adventure have a pretty good idea of the risk involved. Extreme sports, of which this could be described by some outsiders, is all about pushing the envelope, and sometimes doing what is thought to be impossible by many. Scuba diving, hang gliding, down hill skiing, surfing the big ones in Hawaii, or any other FUN thing has it's risks. As professionals, any person capable of building his own sub, knows the need to minimize risks and plan for all contingencies, but still expect to die if the shit hits the fan. Although I grieve for the men and their families, I still envy them for their courage and imagination. 
      Men are made by their desires, and driven by their dreams.
The friends who perished were living those dreams, and probably wouldn't trade their lives for anyone's. Let's celebrate their achievements, and remember them as they would like to be remembered. Hero's of a new dimension for mankind ( the deep sea ) and true explorers laying out a path for the rest of us to follow. 
      Thanks, Frank D.






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